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| bauzas | scheduler meeting ? | 14:01 |
| bauzas | okay, let's start | 14:01 |
| bauzas | edleafe: ? | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:01 |
| bauzas | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 14:01:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:01 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:01 |
| bauzas | mornooning | 14:02 |
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| bauzas | I have no precise agenda in mind because RC2 but lemme try to handle that one | 14:03 |
| edleafe | good UGT morning | 14:03 |
| bauzas | #topic Specs, features, blueprints | 14:03 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | #info Newton development start last week, you can resubmit your nova specs for Newton | 14:03 |
| bauzas | #undo | 14:04 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x9fb7f10> | 14:04 |
| bauzas | #info Newton development started last week, you can resubmit your nova specs for Newton | 14:04 |
| bauzas | so, master is now pointing against newton | 14:04 |
| bauzas | which means we can start to merge things that look like not as a bug | 14:04 |
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| jaypipes | ya | 14:04 |
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| bauzas | for the moment, most of us are eaten by RC2 but previously approved specs can be again submitted | 14:05 |
| * jaypipes in the process of answering ajo's question on the openstack-dev list around generic-resource-pools and QoS/avaiability zones in Neutron. | 14:05 | |
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| ajo | hi jaypipes | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | ahoy ajo | 14:06 |
| ajo | :) | 14:06 |
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| bauzas | #info in case you had a previously approved spec not yet implemented, please create a new blueprint named <blah>-newton and create a new spec change with Previously-Approved tag | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: so, I resubmitted a bunch of the resource-providers series to newton. | 14:06 |
| bauzas | coolness | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: but I did a git mv unfortunately, which isn't apparently what I should have done :( | 14:06 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I litterally had zero time to work on features last week, and I don't hope to have more time for it this week too | 14:06 |
| ajo | jaypipes, I will extend with another email for qos/minimum bandwidth, but I believe it doesn't fit as-is (at least) | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: that's cool, because I actually *do* have time to do code reviews on cdent's stuff and resubmit specs this week. | 14:07 |
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| cdent | \o/ | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | ajo: wait until you read my response pls :) | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | okay, I'll slowly move up to reviewing features | 14:08 |
| bauzas | I think mriedem provided a nova etherpad for newton | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we have a any list of specs we want to worry about for newton at this point? | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:08 |
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| mlavalle | bauzas, jaypipes: is this a good moment to ask quations about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253187 or should I wait to the open discussion section? | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:09 |
| bauzas | even if we haven't yet agreed on prios yet, it could be interesting to put changes up there ^ | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | aslo this one: | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-spec-review-tracking | 14:09 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I think atm we should be discussing about what we want for newton | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | so as a subteam, its still good to recommend what you want | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | what I'd like is to see people providing their thoughts about which features they want for newton, and put them in the above etherpad(s= | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would like to jump on those specs jaypipes has up soon ish for the generic resource pools bits | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | mlavalle: go for it. | 14:10 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: like I said, probably not this week for me | 14:10 |
| ajo | jaypipes, : ack | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | jaypipes: line 438 mentions a `resource-providers-allocations` spec. Have you pusshed this one to gerrit yet? | 14:11 |
| bauzas | ajo, mlavalle, seems like you had questions about the resource-providers specs ? | 14:11 |
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| jaypipes | mlavalle: yup: https://review.openstack.org/271779 | 14:12 |
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| mlavalle | jaypipes: thanks. I'll be working on routed networks from the Neutron side. I'll follow up your specs very closely. I have some feedback already that I will publish later | 14:13 |
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| jaypipes | mlavalle: sweet, thank you sir. | 14:13 |
| mlavalle | jaypipes: carl_baldwin has aked me to work on ip deferral for routed networks | 14:13 |
| bauzas | I should suggest to wait for jaypipes's reply to ajo | 14:13 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: I will review once I'm dug out :) | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | mlavalle: ++ carl_baldwin and I had good conversations about this in Bristol. | 14:14 |
| ajo | bauzas, yes, I was going to explain, but let's wait for that | 14:14 |
| bauzas | in case neutron people have questions | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: sure, though that is not about routed networks. it's about how QoS can fit here. | 14:14 |
| ajo | anyway, jaypipes, the other possible use case (QoS/bw guarantees) is quite different to routed networks | 14:14 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: ack | 14:14 |
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| ajo | in our (QoS/bw) case, we could end up spawning a "resource pool" and an aggregate of a single compute by "resource pool". | 14:15 |
| ajo | and we may need nova to identify what's the right compute node for an amount of requested bw, not by the "resource pool" id | 14:15 |
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| ajo | but, let's elaborate on list. sorry. | 14:15 |
| bauzas | ok, moving on ? | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | ajo: k, responded. | 14:17 |
| ajo | jaypipes++ thanks | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | ok | 14:18 |
| bauzas | #topic bugs | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | #info RC1 is out, feel free to play with it | 14:18 |
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| cdent | I marked a bunch of ancient and/or wishlist stuff invalid last week. So the count of total bugs tagged scheduler should be down. | 14:19 |
| bauzas | #info in case you find regressions, please ping us asap by creating a bug tagged with mitaka-rc2 | 14:19 |
| bauzas | so, working on chasing down regressions this week | 14:19 |
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| bauzas | I remind that since master is now newton, bugfixes are provided against N and need to be backported to stable/mitaka in case they are regressions | 14:20 |
| bauzas | mitaka will be GA first week of April IIRC | 14:20 |
| bauzas | for other bugs that are not regressions, the usual workflow stays the same | 14:20 |
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| bauzas | cdent: thanks | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | nothing important to raise ? | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | nope | 14:25 |
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| bauzas | okay | 14:25 |
| bauzas | #topic open discussion | 14:25 |
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| bauzas | mic is yours | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | bauzas: I would like to ask the team for feedback for the routed networks spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263898 | 14:26 |
| bauzas | sure thing | 14:26 |
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| mlavalle | I would specifucally like feedback from jaypipes regarding the algorithm outlined in lines 201 to 260 | 14:27 |
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| jaypipes | mlavalle: you got it. gimme 30 minutes to review. | 14:27 |
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| mlavalle | jaypipes: :-) | 14:27 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin did a good job outlining a first draft. But we need feedback form the expersts :-) | 14:29 |
| jaypipes | mlavalle: I'm no expert, but I'll try my best. | 14:29 |
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| jaypipes | guh, can't stand it... switching to gertty. | 14:31 |
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| edleafe | so sensitive! | 14:34 |
| bauzas | okay, it seems we have 25 mins for us ? | 14:34 |
| bauzas | bye guys and ty | 14:34 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 14:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 14:34:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-03-21-14.01.html | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-03-21-14.01.txt | 14:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-03-21-14.01.log.html | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | by, thanks! | 14:34 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's get it rolling | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 15:02:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 15:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | hi everyone! | 15:03 |
| korzen | hello | 15:03 |
| sayalilunkad | hello! | 15:03 |
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| jlibosva | hi | 15:03 |
| electrocucaracha | hey | 15:03 |
| saisriki | hi | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | the previous meeting was canceled due to the code sprint we had | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | so we should have stuff to go thru :) | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | so as I already mentioned, we had a code sprint for the upgrades team focusing on objects in Brno Mar 14-16 | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone for joining and pushing the agenda :) | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | thanks everyone who helped us with patches remotely too :) | 15:04 |
| korzen | thanks all for productive time and patch merged! | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | we have a tiny report of mine at the mailing list: | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089769.html | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | please chime in if I missed something | 15:05 |
| sayalilunkad | thanks ihrachys | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | apart from objects, we discussed other upgrades related matters | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | some of that is captured at: | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/code-sprint-neutron-objects-brno | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | anyhow, the main focus was objects, that you can see in lines 63- in the etherpad | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | you see that we mapped resources and started filling in gaps | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | we currently target port resource, but a lot of work done lays foundation for next objects too | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | there were some complications with getting patches merged during the event due to Mitaka freeze, but anyway, we landed some pieces | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | overall, good work team | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | we need to follow up on patches we already have and get the plan we have [which is optimistic] reality | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | the plan would be getting db code in neutron repo objectified till end of N | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Objects | 15:09 |
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| rossella_s | sorry for joining late | 15:09 |
| * ihrachys should probably have switched the topic a while ago :) | 15:09 | |
| ihrachys | for everyone unaware, we track all objects patches at: | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ovo | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | please use the topic if you upload more | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | I don't think we want to go thru specific patches right now, let's leave it to open discussion if there is need for that | 15:10 |
| rossella_s | agreed | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | any question on objects strategy? | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | btw since we are now in N, we may want to start integrating objects into the db code :) | 15:11 |
| jlibosva | the db code objectified means using objects in ml2 plugin? | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's move on | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | there are several things to follow up here | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | one is: we have the legacy l3 job in check queue, but it's non voting | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | it's amazing how I fail to find it :) | 15:15 |
| jlibosva | not sure what you mean, this one? http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/dashboards/check.dashboard.html | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | YES | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | meh, not sure that's the one. we had some other graph with grenade multinode | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | anyhow... | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | so the last time I saw the graph, it was failing a bit more often than general multinode jobs | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | which may indicate some issues in stable branches, like valuable patches not backported or smth | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | we would need to dig into it before we enable voting | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | ok, that's the link | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | #link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=6&fullscreen | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | note that it's around 13% failure rate for the job | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | comparing to 7% for full multinode tempest | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | we need to tackle the gap | 15:19 |
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| ihrachys | anyone willing to scratch existing logs for the job to identify most common reasons for failures? | 15:19 |
| rossella_s | for me it takes ages to load, is it just me? | 15:19 |
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| sayalilunkad | rossella_s: no its same for me | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: it does, yes. but it will happen :) | 15:19 |
| korzen | it did not load to me | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | just wait | 15:19 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I can investigate | 15:19 |
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| rossella_s | I can report back next week | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: cool! | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | #action rossella_s to investigate major reasons for grenade multinode job to fail with 15% rate | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | ok, another job we have is the dvr flavour for the same job | 15:20 |
| jlibosva | note that grenade runs tempest twice, so if there is a 7% chance to fail tempest, it will likely double in grenade | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: yeah, but it does not execute all tests, just smoe | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | *smoke | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | anyway... so speaking about dvr flavour, korzen, can you give an update? | 15:22 |
| korzen | well, I have run it once or twice and it was successfull, I did not dig into it deeper | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | korzen: ok, I guess we need some plan to get it into check queue, and maybe replacing the legacy one | 15:23 |
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| korzen | what is the requirement for the job beeing included into the check>? | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: I guess it's a matter of setting priorities. if the project considers rolling upgrade a priority to care on daily basis, then the argument can be done for the job. otherwise, if it's a niche feature, it may not have a slot there. | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | with all the work that the team handles, I *hope* we are in the former category | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | that should be discussed with PTL though | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | somewhat relevant, there is that mailing thread with concern about jobs taking too much time | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089966.html | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | we may consider adding the job depending on what the conclusion there will be | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | ok, one additional thing to note on dvr job is it does not execute dvr tests :) | 15:28 |
| rossella_s | :O | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | and those tests are in neutron tree | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | so we need to pull them from there somehow | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | f.e. thru tempest plugin | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | there is a patch to add such a plugin | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274023/ | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | though I am not completely aware about its implications | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | more eyes on that one would be great to have | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: it sounds crazy, but in a way, we may test dvr implicitly, creating routers. [as long as we don't enforce legacy thru API; that I am not sure about] | 15:30 |
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| ihrachys | anyhow, it does not run explicit dvr tests, and that's a thing to care about | 15:30 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, it's worth considering | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | speaking of grenade job... do we have a reason to execute dhcp agent on controller [upgraded] node? | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | I guess we could catch some RPC issues if we would run the old dhcp agent, right? | 15:31 |
| korzen | yes | 15:32 |
| korzen | the perfect idea would be to have network node | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | yes, I believe you mentioned before devstack-gate is ready for 3 nodes? | 15:32 |
| korzen | current grenade would not check the RPC interoperability between L3/DHCP agents with upgraded neutron server | 15:33 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, the infra doc is talking about 3 node setup | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | korzen: yes. but dvr flavour would cover for L3 | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | but not for DHCP | 15:33 |
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| korzen | but I've never seen anyone using the third one | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | even though strictly speaking legacy L3 agent speaks different RPC language than DVR.. | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: ok, I guess we may keep it in a further compartment in our brains :) | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | I would first target getting DVR flavour voting, then looking into what we do with DHCP | 15:35 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, +1 | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I guess we have a plan for the next week: rossella_s will take a look at failure logs, and we talk to PTL and others about getting new grenade jobs voting. | 15:37 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:37 |
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| ihrachys | before you start sending questions team's way, I have one thing | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | here in Europe, we have Easter Monday next Monday | 15:38 |
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| ihrachys | I suspect it's quite common in the team to have a day-off that day. | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | amirite? | 15:38 |
| korzen | yes | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | if that's the case, we may want to cancel the next meeting. | 15:39 |
| * ihrachys waits for others to comment. | 15:39 | |
| sayalilunkad | ihrachys: yes | 15:39 |
| electrocucaracha | +1 | 15:39 |
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| korzen | we can cancel | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's cancel then. the next meeting will be April 4th | 15:40 |
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| ihrachys | I presume that not having the next meeting won't stop anyone from getting more patches and work done even than before ;) | 15:40 |
| rossella_s | really? :p | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | absolutely! I count on everyone! :P | 15:41 |
| rossella_s | ;) | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | ok, anyone has anything else to raise? | 15:42 |
| sayalilunkad | I need this patch for securitygroups https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295275/ | 15:42 |
| korzen | Anyone checked if do not have broken upgrades in Mitaka RC1? | 15:42 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, I haven't checked | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | korzen: nope. Doesn't the job we have show that at least in some way it works? :) | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | even if just for smole | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | *smoke | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | sayalilunkad: will take a look right after the meeting | 15:42 |
| sayalilunkad | ihrachys: thanks | 15:43 |
| rossella_s | sayalilunkad, I will take a look later today too | 15:43 |
| korzen | I guess that a sanity check can be done | 15:43 |
| sayalilunkad | thanks rossella_s | 15:43 |
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| korzen | I will take a look at db migration and RPC interface just to make sure, noone has introduce the incompatible change in the API | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | #action korzen to look at db migration and RPC interface to make sure no incompatible changes landed in Mitaka | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: thanks! | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | gotta call it a day in 3... | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | 2... | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | 1... | 15:46 |
| rossella_s | thanks!! | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | sold | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 15:46:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-03-21-15.02.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-03-21-15.02.txt | 15:46 |
| korzen | thanks all | 15:46 |
| sayalilunkad | thanks! bye | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-03-21-15.02.log.html | 15:46 |
| electrocucaracha | thxs | 15:46 |
| jlibosva | bye | 15:46 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 16:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| rbradfor | o/ I'm only around for 15mins more | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb, Nakato | 16:00 |
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| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi there folks! | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| dims_ | o/ | 16:00 |
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| redrobot | o/ | 16:00 |
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| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | welcome to oslo-next-generation, lol | 16:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims_ | hello boss | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi prior boss | 16:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:01 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:01 |
| * kgiusti doesn't want to be Westley | 16:01 | |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:01 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, dims_ is this not a round table? | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:02 |
| * jungleboyj calls Riker | 16:02 | |
| harlowja_at_home | just don't be a temp actor, cause they always get killed, lol | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | or was that the original star-trek, idk | 16:02 |
| browne | o/ | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything for people to report, as in stuff ain't working, or ... | 16:03 |
| amrith | none that I know of from trove. | 16:03 |
| johnsom | Nothing from LBaaS | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | Nothing from Cinder. | 16:03 |
| bknudson | none for keystone that I know of | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool col | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | *cool | 16:04 |
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| * harlowja_at_home needs to see about getting more projects in here to report anything wrong, ha | 16:04 | |
| lxsli | o/ | 16:05 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home : good time to send a reminder to ML for CPL(s) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | nothing from neutron I guess | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, ya, +1 | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll try to send something today | 16:05 |
| amrith | dims_, good idea. | 16:05 |
| * breton watches | 16:06 | |
| dims_ | hey breton : welcome | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja_at_home ML for CPL(s) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 16:06 |
| amrith | "They also serve who only stand and watch" (John Milton) | 16:06 |
| * harlowja_at_home imagines u singing that | 16:07 | |
| amrith | :) | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Mitaka achievements | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | soooo https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-achievements is still looking for more goodness | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | i guess dims or maybe i will send something out from that (summing it up) | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | soooo keep on adding random things u think about | 16:09 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, one suggestion I had abotu this is that maybe you could add accomplishments related to oslo from projects (your customers) | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, def | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, did that a little in the taskflow section | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | but +1 for more of that | 16:09 |
| amrith | that would help indicate adoption of the various things that the oslo team is producing | 16:09 |
| amrith | if that's ok, I'll try and add some that trove did | 16:09 |
| amrith | and plans to do for Newton | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | good idea, i can send out a ML email asking for more of that (since i don't think i can find/contact everyone via this IRC meeting) | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | but ya +1 from me, makes sense | 16:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | then maybe i can work with thingee or ttx to get a offical openstack post or something | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | that'd be nice | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | *website post* | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dims_, sound good to u? inline with your vision of that etherpad? | 16:11 |
| dims_ | sounds good | 16:12 |
| rbradfor | +1 for blog post | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | +2 | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Newton summit planning | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-oslo-summit-planning | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | sooo that's still accumulating things, keep adding items | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm unsure when that has to stop accumulating ideas, but probably soonish | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, the whole planning should probably start soon (ie, no more accumulating ideas, ha) | 16:13 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home : we have to tell people to cleanup https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-incubator-remnants (from dhellmann) | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:14 |
| rbradfor | dims_, I've been doing a lot of this last week. | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | people clean ^ up! | 16:15 |
| dims_ | rbradfor : nice! | 16:15 |
| amrith | thanks rbradfor for pushing up one of those to trove | 16:15 |
| rbradfor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-libraries-adoption | 16:15 |
| rbradfor | from the Newton meeting I proposed. | 16:15 |
| dims_ | ack rbradfor | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, nice | 16:15 |
| rbradfor | amrith, actually I'm working on doing apiclient now, it's become a bit more of a challenge. I do a WIP and get feedback from the oslo team. | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Oslo libraries adoption | 16:16 |
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| amrith | rbradfor, lmk if I can help with any of the trove stuff. | 16:16 |
| * harlowja_at_home just so i can note this | 16:16 | |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-incubator-remnants | 16:16 |
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| rbradfor | amrith, will do. | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-libraries-adoption | 16:16 |
| amrith | On the subject of library adoption, do you want to also talk abut deprecation(s) now? | 16:17 |
| amrith | I have one about deprecation (thanks cp16net for pointing me at this) | 16:17 |
| rbradfor | amrith, deprecation of libraries? | 16:17 |
| amrith | oslo_utils.timeutils. | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | sure, we can talk about it | 16:17 |
| amrith | There's a change that has been proposed in Trove see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257152/4 | 16:17 |
| amrith | there are some concerns abotu the approach and I wanted to ask the oslo team for their guidance. | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah, isotime stuff | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | jd__, yt ;) | 16:18 |
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| amrith | harlowja_at_home, I could follow up with someone outside the meeting if that is more appropriate | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | nah, its fine | 16:19 |
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| amrith | I don't mean to have the discussion here, just to get a pointer. | 16:19 |
| amrith | if it is jd__ I'll follow up later | 16:19 |
| amrith | thanks | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | just wondering if that's a copy of the code without the deprecation warnings ----> trove :-P | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | sorta looks like that, lol | 16:19 |
| amrith | it may be, I found it odd to have a new file in 2016 with a 2011 copyright but your explanation would tell why it is the case. | 16:19 |
| bknudson | in keystone we wound up copying the code. | 16:19 |
| cp16net | yeah i think it is | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-/ | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, gotta be a better way then | 16:20 |
| * rbradfor have to bug out to make another appointment, will review meeting notes after. | 16:20 | |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, okies | 16:20 |
| amrith | so, wait. what I'm hearing is that you deprecated something and now there are >1 copies of that code in projects? | 16:20 |
| amrith | that sounds like a bad thing to me. | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | :( | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, sounds bad | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | anti-depreciation, lol | 16:20 |
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| bknudson | we copied the code because we needed the string format to be exactly what it was before otherwise we wouldn't be backwards compatible | 16:21 |
| bknudson | that might not be the case for everybody | 16:21 |
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| bknudson | and is maybe a reason not to use a library that might change underneath us | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-/ | 16:21 |
| dims_ | bknudson : same case with Nova | 16:22 |
| amrith | bknudson, I will check whether we need the exact format but there seems to be a case for using the deprecated code in >1 projects which begs the question, why deprecate it in the first place. | 16:22 |
| cp16net | bknudson: thats the same reason i approved this change for trove. | 16:22 |
| amrith | but I must be missing something in that assessment. | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | so i'm thinking this might require a larger discussion, i know jd__ feels passionately about this | 16:23 |
| cp16net | i was concerned about changing the format | 16:23 |
| amrith | Philosophically, I think 3 projects wanting the same 'private' code is not a good thing. Let me follow up with bknudson and jd__ ... thanks harlowja_at_home | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | so maybe we can have a volunteer to summarize the current situation and do some analysis | 16:23 |
| amrith | I will volunteer | 16:23 |
| amrith | sign me up with the action | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, thx, i agree with u for the feeling on that (feels odd) | 16:23 |
| dims_ | amrith : cp16net : so we are raising awareness so folks understand the repercussions | 16:23 |
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| dims_ | and choose whether to keep status quo or figure out a path forward | 16:24 |
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| amrith | dims_, I'm raising it because I want to know what this 'copy' of code is about. In raising it, I learned that others also have copies. which makes my copy "less valuable". | 16:24 |
| dims_ | so it's serving the purpose | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | #action amrith summarize and do a little analysis of the current timeutils issues and start some outward discussion on the current state of things and where to go | 16:24 |
| amrith | I don't want "cheap copies of code", I'd rather use the "original" ;) | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya, counterfeit code is bad, lol | 16:25 |
| dims_ | amrith : do talk to jd__ please | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | buy french made code only | 16:25 |
| amrith | dims_, wilco. | 16:25 |
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| amrith | #action amrith to chat with jd__ about timeutils stuff | 16:25 |
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| * harlowja_at_home what other work can i give jd__ (hmmmm) | 16:26 | |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:26 |
| haypo | amrith: sorry, i missed the beginning of the meeting. what is your question about timeutils? | 16:26 |
| haypo | amrith: i know that jd deprecated functions, then i proposed patches to update nova | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, maybe include haypo in this future analysis discussion ;) | 16:27 |
| amrith | haypo, the question regards review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257152 in trove | 16:27 |
| amrith | I will follow up with you offline (of this meeting). | 16:27 |
| haypo | amrith: but nobody reviewed my changes, and i was bored, so i abandonned it | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:27 |
| haypo | amrith: copy code to avoid a deprecation. hum... | 16:28 |
| amrith | haypo, I know that feeling. would you like hbase in Trove :) | 16:28 |
| haypo | hbase? | 16:28 |
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| amrith | longer story, involves much alcohol and tears. | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for Mitaka | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so afaik there aren't any releases for mitaka, so this is a trick topic | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:28 |
| bknudson | I hope there's not | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | but just incase anyone missed any, maybe tag on to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294594/ | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | and/or find ttx ^ | 16:29 |
| haypo | amrith: i didn't understand everything, but ok for the alcohol | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Idears for newton (for getting more activity all around) | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | soooo this is a little different, something i am trying out | 16:30 |
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| haypo | harlowja_at_home: is there an home page for oslo listing all oslo projects? | 16:31 |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo ? | 16:31 |
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| harlowja_at_home | haypo, ^ | 16:31 |
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| harlowja_at_home | along with this topic, what i am seeing if it works it to do a little outreach via the ML | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/thread.html#89895 | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | getting peoples complaints, random ideas, (no hate mail, lol) | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | or not complaints and just complements are fine also | 16:32 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: maybe we need a more shiny table of projects | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, sure! | 16:33 |
| johnsom | How about a "consistent hash" library? | 16:33 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: the wiki page is full of "Please file bugs ..." and there is no moose logo!? | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | and then i was thinking we can aggregate how that thread turns out and start to seek volunteers (new or old) for that work ;) | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, sureee, seems like could be a useful thing | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | so that was/is my motivation for that thread :-P | 16:34 |
| johnsom | I know one of the other projects is using consistent hashing (swift or cinder maybe) and we are probably going to need it as well. | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, ya, ironic is also | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | there are a few impls of it around afaik | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | in various states with various algorithms | 16:34 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home : ayoung was mentioning a few things in oslo.messaging? | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, yes, we need more moose logos and moose pictures on that page, lol | 16:34 |
| johnsom | My random idea for the day | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, yup, that's one thing | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | which may just turn into a deployment pattern (since it seems HMAC or other is not desireable) | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, do u want to reply to that thread with that idea :) | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | ML reaches a larger audience afaik | 16:36 |
| johnsom | Sure | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx | 16:36 |
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| amrith | harlowja_at_home, I did have a request for oslo.messaging as well (to allow programmatically to specify the credentials for the underlying transport, rabbitMQ ...) | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems useful | 16:37 |
| amrith | I'll file a bug for that but have so far held off to make sure that the oslo folks believe that this would be within scope for oslo. | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | sounds fair to me | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx | 16:37 |
| amrith | the reason I ask that is because the next request right behind that is to provide an API to create users through oslo ;) | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | sileht, ^ | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm | 16:37 |
| amrith | since the choice of underlying transport is not known to Trove (consumer) | 16:38 |
| amrith | hence an abstraciton like oslo_messaging.register_user() | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | i wonder what the cue folks have in mind for this | 16:38 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cause u would think they need something similarish (maybe) | 16:38 |
| amrith | which would do the right thing for the underlying transport (OR say buzz-off-not-supported-for-this-transport). | 16:38 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cue (for those who dont know) | 16:39 |
| amrith | well, that (Cue) is a different level of abstraction, right? Cue under oslo.messaging is fine from my perspective. | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, not totally sure | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyways, something to think about :-P | 16:39 |
| amrith | does it make sense to discuss here before I open the bug? | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | well the 'programmatically to specify the credentials for the underlying transport' seems ok, the next step from that seems a little different (in my view) | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | next step might require a little discussion i think, first step i don't think does to much | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | but would like sileht thoughts there | 16:40 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:41 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so i'd just like to personally thx dims_ for his oslo ptl for the last year(?) and dhellmann before that and all the others that came before | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | cause i forgot to do that at the start of the meeting, lol | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | (better late than never, ha) | 16:42 |
| bknudson | I proposed a spec to oslo.policy for supporting YAML in addition to JSON -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279725/ | 16:43 |
| dims_ | my pleasure harlowja_at_home - am not going anywhere :) | 16:43 |
| lxsli | If anyone knows about the problems eventlet causes when reconfiguring logging, I'd like to chat to them | 16:43 |
| amrith | thanks dims_ dhellmann, all the best harlowja_at_home | 16:43 |
| johnsom | harlowja_at_home http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090032.html | 16:43 |
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| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, ya, yaml +1, just the ability to have comments in yaml makes me happy, lol | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | but i know there are anti-yaml-people (probably the same people who use emacs, lol) | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, thx | 16:44 |
| lxsli | I'm slightly confused that it's so much more popular to change policy to accept YAML than config + logconfig, but JSON is closer than INI | 16:44 |
| lxsli | and I'm certainly not standing in the way | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | config + logconfig ? | 16:45 |
| lxsli | there were a couple of patches to support YAML in oslo.config and oslo.log which got roundly -1d | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh, gotcha | 16:45 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya, we need to work through some of those -1d | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | wasn't it around configuration tools working better with ini | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | or something | 16:46 |
| lxsli | People didn't want to support two file formats | 16:46 |
| bknudson | the nice thing about YAML is there is only 1 file format. | 16:46 |
| bknudson | JSON is a subset of YAML | 16:46 |
| dims_ | lxsli : policy i haven't seen the push back | 16:47 |
| lxsli | yes, that's helpful | 16:47 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, ya, maybe we just need to do a better job convincing of the benefits | 16:47 |
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| dims_ | harlowja_at_home : biggest pain point it addresses is ability to add comments in the policy file | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | comments ++ | 16:47 |
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| lxsli | harlowja_at_home: could be, as an Ansible user YAML is everywhere and INI seems outdated | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, i mean i get the 2 file formats are hard(er) to manage, and so on, but i feel that if we really believe yaml is better, then wellll i guess we just need to convince better on why | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | everytime i think ini i think windows still | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:49 |
| lxsli | harlowja_at_home: +1 | 16:49 |
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| dims_ | harlowja_at_home : the idea that nova folks had was that default policy would be right near the code. then there's not policy file until someone needs to override it. so then yaml is just fine | 16:50 |
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| harlowja_at_home | as in a dict in the code dims_ ? | 16:50 |
| bknudson | my understanding is they want to generate a sample policy file (like being able to generate a sample config file) | 16:50 |
| dims_ | alaski had a nova review | 16:50 |
| dims_ | bknudson : y that too | 16:50 |
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| harlowja_at_home | seems like we can resolve all these things anyway (imho) | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | we can do it! | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:51 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home : bknudson : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289596/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290155/ | 16:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:52 |
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| harlowja_at_home | will read that one more fully soonish | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | haypo, do u want to spice up the oslo page? | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | with moose pictures or whatever | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:53 |
| bknudson | We could use a policy file generator in keystone, too. | 16:53 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: i don't want a copy of the logo :-/ | 16:54 |
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| harlowja_at_home | haypo, https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/doc/source/_images/oslo-moose-color.svg ;) | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | now u want a copy i know it, lol | 16:54 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, time running out | 16:55 |
| * harlowja_at_home rolls credits | 16:55 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else from folks? | 16:56 |
| lxsli | If anyone knows about the problems eventlet causes when reconfiguring logging, I'd like to chat to them | 16:56 |
| harlowja_at_home | def | 16:56 |
| dims_ | all set from me harlowja_at_home | 16:56 |
| lxsli | really very much | 16:56 |
| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, haypo may know | 16:56 |
| harlowja_at_home | he's mr.eventlet ;) | 16:56 |
| lxsli | awesome thanks | 16:56 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, thx | 16:56 |
| harlowja_at_home | okie dokie | 16:56 |
| harlowja_at_home | until the next episode | 16:57 |
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| harlowja_at_home | oslo-next-generation end show | 16:57 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 16:57:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-03-21-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-03-21-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-03-21-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto | 17:29 |
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| nikhil | o/ | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | hey :) | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 17:30:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:30 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:30 |
| docaedo | o/ | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | #topic agenda | 17:30 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:31 |
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| mfedosin | I want to begin with updates... | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #topic Updates | 17:31 |
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| mfedosin | so, we continue to work on Glare | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | Last Thursday I showed a small Glare demo for Moscow Mirantis office | 17:32 |
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| mfedosin | there I presented how Glare v1 is able to work with Glance images in parallel | 17:33 |
| nikhil | thats awesome!!! | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: thank you | 17:34 |
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| mfedosin | but it's only the beginning | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65457t9RXw | 17:34 |
| nikhil | ++ | 17:34 |
| docaedo | nice, bet they enjoyed seeing that | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | if you understand Russian :) | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | as I mentioned we continue the developing of Glare | 17:35 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: if you go to video options, I think you can add closed captions | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | Kairat does notifier and abstract db layer | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | Darja works on exception middleware and filters for artifact listing | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | I do policies and image artifact type | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | and Ilya Menkov develops functional tests | 17:37 |
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| mfedosin | I think this work will be done this week | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | Kairat has already uploaded his code on review | 17:37 |
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| mfedosin | Darja and Ilya are going to do it tomorrow | 17:38 |
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| mfedosin | after that I want to record more detailed demo | 17:38 |
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| mfedosin | not just CRUD + uploading/downloading | 17:38 |
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| mfedosin | but more sophisticated scenarios | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | after that I hope captions are not required | 17:39 |
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| nikhil | :) | 17:40 |
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| mfedosin | also if nikhil or anybody else would like to write some code for Glare - we have several tasks | 17:40 |
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| mfedosin | =P | 17:40 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: sign me up! | 17:40 |
| nikhil | anytime | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: You said that yourself :) | 17:42 |
| nikhil | :D | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | okay, next topic | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | #topic Architecture updated | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13626875/image00.png | 17:42 |
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| nikhil | that's a really good diagram | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | kairat did the great work and created this diagram | 17:43 |
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| nikhil | I checked it before mtg and was impressed thoroughly | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | it's more detailed version of previous diagrams :) | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | and it fully describes our goals | 17:44 |
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| mfedosin | and also I think it's the final version of Glare's architecture | 17:45 |
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| mfedosin | if you have any questions about the diagram feel free to ask me | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | #topic 3-stepped Glare activation vs. 2-stepped in Glance | 17:46 |
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| mfedosin | it's a question I want to discuss with you | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | when I developed Image artifact type I faced an issue | 17:47 |
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| mfedosin | in Glare we use 3-stepped activation process - 1. Creating, 2. Uploading, 3. Activation | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | in Glance steps 2 and 3 are combined | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | and it makes image active right after the upload | 17:48 |
| nikhil | not necessarily in the latest import workflow | 17:49 |
| nikhil | but that's still pending more discussion | 17:49 |
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| mfedosin | it's an inconsistency that it's hard to avoid... | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | we found a solution for that: | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | as you may know we want to create a special middleware that implements Glance v2 api in Glare | 17:50 |
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| mfedosin | and there is a trick | 17:50 |
| mfedosin | right after image upload (when glare returns 204) it sends another 'activate' request for image | 17:51 |
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| mfedosin | I dunno how dirty it is... but I think it works | 17:51 |
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| mfedosin | and we will be able to support Glance's 2-stepped activation in Glare | 17:52 |
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| docaedo | Sounds like a reasonable approach. I'd love to see a 1-step activation too :) I still can't understand why an easy thing "fetch image from this URL and let me use it" went from works, to doesn't work | 17:53 |
| mfedosin | #topic Open Discussion | 17:53 |
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| mfedosin | docaedo: if you want - we will add 1-stepped :) | 17:53 |
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| docaedo | haha don't worry, I'm not pushing too hard for that one :) In fact for app0-catalog we're going to want three step anyway as we'll need to manage what images are made available. | 17:54 |
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| mfedosin | btw, we're going to organize meeting on Wednesday | 17:55 |
| docaedo | great | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | with App Catalog folks | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: 18 UTC is fine? | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | I'll create an etherpad with topic I would like to discuss | 17:56 |
| docaedo | Yeah I think that's good for me | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | nikhil ? | 17:56 |
| nikhil | works for me mfedosin | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | awesome | 17:56 |
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| mfedosin | and finally I want to say that I got married yesterday :) | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | it's not related to Glare directly... | 17:57 |
| nikhil | Congrats!!!! | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | but I spent so much time for that in last two month... | 17:58 |
| docaedo | oh congratulations! | 17:58 |
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| mfedosin | so, now I free from these wedding preparations | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | and I will have more time for the project. | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | thank you all! | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | okay, let's finish this meeting | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | thanks for coming | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | see you on Wednesday | 18:00 |
| docaedo | yep | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 18:00:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-03-21-17.30.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-03-21-17.30.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-03-21-17.30.log.html | 18:00 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 19:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
| dliu | hello Catherine | 19:00 |
| catherineD | dliu: hello welcome to IRC meeting | 19:01 |
| dliu | thank you :-) | 19:01 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:02 |
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| dliu | o/ | 19:03 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: rockyg: you there? | 19:04 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 19:05 |
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| alexandrelevine | o/ | 19:05 |
| catherineD | alright | 19:06 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-03-21 | 19:06 |
| catherineD | #topic Make puppet pull releases from Pypi | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Make puppet pull releases from Pypi (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:06 | |
| catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281737/ | 19:07 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: any update? | 19:07 |
| rockyg | Congratulations to catherineD and alexandrelevine for their PTL wins | 19:07 |
| rockyg | (had to get that nonsequitur in) | 19:07 |
| catherineD | rockyg: Thx | 19:07 |
| pvaneck | will hopefully be merged today after having addressed some comments | 19:07 |
| alexandrelevine | rockyg: Thank you. | 19:07 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: Congrats | 19:08 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: that is great! | 19:08 |
| catherineD | any question on this topic? | 19:08 |
| dliu | Congrats | 19:09 |
| alexandrelevine | rockyg: Where did you get this info about elections? | 19:09 |
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| alexandrelevine | rockyg: I thought they'll talk tomorrow in the TC meeting. | 19:09 |
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| rockyg | They will. And if you can, you should attend. | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | #topic Vendor user management implementation | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | #link Add user management REST API https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285714/ | 19:11 |
| rockyg | But, it's pretty much a slam dunk after all the email back and forth. And sorry for the hassles. I should have pinged you when I pinged catherineD to get your nomination in, but I wasn't sure it was you for EC2 | 19:11 |
| alexandrelevine | rockyg: I will, but I'm wondering if I'm missing something now that you are congratulating already. I thought it's not quite decided yet. | 19:11 |
| alexandrelevine | rockyg: Thanks anyways :) | 19:11 |
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| catherineD | ready for the discussion on Add user management REST API https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285714/ ? | 19:13 |
| alexandrelevine | yes | 19:13 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: for that patch .. I think it need a couple of unit tests ... | 19:13 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Unfortunately at least until end of March, probably a little more we don't have any resources for that. | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: do you mind you someone else on the team help landing that? | 19:15 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Which team? RefStack team? Of course | 19:16 |
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| sslypushenko | Hi, all! o/ | 19:16 |
| catherineD | yea RefStack team | 19:16 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: Hi | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: OK | 19:16 |
| rockyg | Hye sslypushenko ! | 19:16 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I think it'd be fair to let this review in and add unit tests in the next one right after. Do you think it's possible? | 19:16 |
| dliu | sslypushenko:hi | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: I think it is best to add unit test ... | 19:18 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: +1 | 19:19 |
| catherineD | that is IMO | 19:19 |
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| alexandrelevine | ok | 19:19 |
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| catherineD | moving on | 19:19 |
| pvaneck | I can add the unit tests onto the patch in a bit. won't take long | 19:19 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: Andrey still be the owner of the patch | 19:20 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: thx | 19:20 |
| sslypushenko | we should keep unittest coverage at 100% | 19:20 |
| alexandrelevine | it's ok | 19:20 |
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| catherineD | #topic List RefStack Users | 19:20 |
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| catherineD | #link Catherine sent email to community http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2016-March/001066.html | 19:21 |
| catherineD | Got some feedbacks | 19:21 |
| catherineD | also some comment on the Security meeting | 19:21 |
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| catherineD | #link Security team meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-03-17-17.00.log.txt | 19:21 |
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| catherineD | In general, people are hesitating in listing the entire user list ... | 19:22 |
| alexandrelevine | funny comment. | 19:23 |
| catherineD | that leading us to the next topic on how to add user reliably | 19:23 |
| catherineD | Let's concentrating on this with Alex's recommendations | 19:24 |
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| catherineD | #topic Alex's recomemdation on adding user to vendor | 19:24 |
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| catherineD | I am in favor of option 4.2 | 19:25 |
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| catherineD | in the future, when we have email notification iimplemented ... we could go with both option 4.2 and 4.3 | 19:25 |
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| catherineD | but for now ... the most possible implementation at this stage is 4.2 IMO | 19:26 |
| catherineD | what do you think? | 19:26 |
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| * rockyg is digging through my mailboxes to find the email | 19:27 | |
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| pvaneck | I'm down for whatever keeps us moving | 19:28 |
| alexandrelevine | Easiest would be 4.1 | 19:28 |
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| alexandrelevine | And email is preserved so I don't see what's wrong with it. | 19:28 |
| catherineD | 4.1 gets us back to the discussion of list users ... | 19:28 |
| alexandrelevine | There is no problem with list of users. There is a problem with private data, which is email as I thought. I heard that name is not that private. | 19:29 |
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| alexandrelevine | After all it's clearly written in the openstackid, isn't it? | 19:30 |
| catherineD | we sent an email and get feedback for not list uers ... are we ignor the feedbacks? | 19:31 |
| catherineD | I am just saying that for this release I want to avoid list users | 19:31 |
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| catherineD | so 4.2 give us an option that 1) we do not keep discuss about list user 2) it does not expose any privacy data | 19:31 |
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| catherineD | I just need us to move on ... | 19:32 |
| alexandrelevine | ok | 19:33 |
| alexandrelevine | why is it still an option for today then? | 19:33 |
| rockyg | catherineD, reading those emails again, it seemed to be ok to list full name and openid, just not other info. | 19:33 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: what is it still an option for today? | 19:34 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherined: 4.1 | 19:35 |
| catherineD | rockyg: I am not sure that is the case ... the fastest way to get us out of this is to not "list user" | 19:35 |
| rockyg | oops. My bad. Only members of org. can list users of same org. | 19:35 |
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| sslypushenko | rockyg: Don't think so | 19:36 |
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| sslypushenko | I think we can allow to any user list name+openID for other any user | 19:36 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: here is one of the answer | 19:37 |
| catherineD | In my opinion, listing users should work as follows: - Any user can list the users of the organizations (s)he belongs to. | 19:37 |
| catherineD | that is from http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2016-March/001067.html | 19:37 |
| catherineD | that means that only user in a vendor can list user in that vendor | 19:37 |
| catherineD | again team, please read the email threads ... to get us moving let's implement something else ... | 19:38 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: But how we will add user to vendor? | 19:38 |
| rockyg | sslypushenko, I agree with you, just not in the email. | 19:38 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: we will use option 4.2 | 19:39 |
| catherineD | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-03-21 | 19:39 |
| sslypushenko | oh! thx | 19:39 |
| catherineD | a user will request to be added to a vendor ... since the user asks to be added ... he/she will provide all the necessary info | 19:40 |
| sslypushenko | It is complicated | 19:40 |
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| sslypushenko | Do we really want this complication& | 19:40 |
| sslypushenko | ? | 19:40 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: it is ... but eventually we will implement something like that any way when we get our notification framwork implemented | 19:40 |
| catherineD | what I invision is for now | 19:41 |
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| sslypushenko | got it | 19:41 |
| catherineD | user willl log in | 19:41 |
| rockyg | Should be very similar to the vendor approval process with vendor admin instead of foundation admin | 19:41 |
| catherineD | and in his profile we will provide a link for request to be add to a vendor | 19:41 |
| catherineD | for private vendor .. he.she will need to get a vendor id from the vendor | 19:42 |
| rockyg | Vendor users shouldn't be that many people | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko | but... I'm not sure that RefStack is ready to become so complicated tool | 19:42 |
| catherineD | for public vendor they can choose from a list | 19:42 |
| catherineD | for what I just discribe ... I think it is doable | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: Everything is doable) | 19:43 |
| catherineD | to add a link on the user profile to request for being added to a vendor | 19:43 |
| sslypushenko | It depends only on time and money) | 19:43 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: I understand | 19:43 |
| rockyg | Another option would be to have a "create user" utility for the vendor admin | 19:43 |
| sslypushenko | But in other hand... | 19:44 |
| rockyg | Then there would be nothing in Refstack until the vendor admin has enough info from his company to create the account | 19:44 |
| catherineD | I think the only option is 4.2 (which is complicated but doable) which does not ignore user feedback and does not expose private data | 19:44 |
| sslypushenko | Now any openstack.org member can find openstackid for all openstack.org members | 19:45 |
| sslypushenko | what the point to hide it in RefStack& | 19:45 |
| sslypushenko | ? | 19:45 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: that is what we ask of the community ... the feedback is do not expose | 19:46 |
| rockyg | sslypushenko, smaller group of people are in the Refstack list. But, really, if admin creates the user, all the issues go away. | 19:46 |
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| catherineD | we aill have to follow up with them onm reason ... but now that we have asked we need to respect the opinion ... meanwhile we can proceed with alternative | 19:47 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: let it be so | 19:48 |
| catherineD | yea I am torn here :-) | 19:48 |
| catherineD | Thx | 19:48 |
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| catherineD | now that we ask community | 19:48 |
| catherineD | moving on .. | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko | Your point of view is also sounds reasonable | 19:48 |
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| catherineD | thank alexandrelevine: to include option 4.2 | 19:49 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: np | 19:49 |
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| catherineD | moving on | 19:49 |
| catherineD | #topic Vendor registation | 19:50 |
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| catherineD | #topic spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274837/ | 19:50 |
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| catherineD | the spec has merged ... just need implememtation | 19:51 |
| catherineD | I really hope for us to have vendor resgistration before the summit ... | 19:51 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: Andrey going to be tired up until end of March? | 19:52 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: At least | 19:53 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: ok | 19:54 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: But he might have the code already | 19:54 |
| catherineD | we have 7 mins left | 19:54 |
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| catherineD | let move to topic 7 | 19:54 |
| catherineD | #topic Pending review | 19:54 |
| rockyg | catherineD, I need your input for the product roadmap! | 19:54 |
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| rockyg | And that's for item 8 | 19:55 |
| catherineD | 7.1.1, 7.1.2 and 7.1.3 are all ready to merge | 19:55 |
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| catherineD | rockyg: did you put RefStack i18n discussion(optional discussion choice). ? | 19:55 |
| dliu | catherineD: I put | 19:56 |
| catherineD | rockyg: that is 8.1 | 19:56 |
| dliu | just for open discussion | 19:56 |
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| dliu | but seems we don't have time today | 19:57 |
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| catherineD | rockyg: I have ahard time on product roadmap .. since we did not meet this cycle target | 19:57 |
| catherineD | in fact we are far from the target ... I have a hard time to plan beyond Newton | 19:58 |
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| rockyg | doesn't matter targets. matters that lots got done3 and the plans for next cycle | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | rockyg: next cycle is OK ... but not beyond that | 19:58 |
| rockyg | Newton plan is good enough. and pointer to spec that pretty much lays out all the work that needs to be done for at least two cycles. | 19:59 |
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| alexandrelevine | Have to run. Bye everybody | 19:59 |
| catherineD | rockyg: I will send you our plan .. sorry it take some time becaue I want to push some for this cycle ... we still have a month | 19:59 |
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| catherineD | thank you all | 19:59 |
| pvaneck | I feel like i18n should wait until we are in a more stable state with vendor registration being complete | 19:59 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: I think so | 19:59 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 20:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
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| hockeynut | o/ | 20:01 |
| mp1 | o/ | 20:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 20:01 |
| maxabidi | \o | 20:01 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| silos | \o/ | 20:01 |
| diazjf | o/ here | 20:01 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | lots of barbicaneers here today! | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:02 |
| fredyx101 | o/ here | 20:02 |
| jmckind_ | 0/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | and since nobody added agenda item, I'm just going to make some up as we go | 20:03 |
| redrobot | *items | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #topic Action Items from last week | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | I still have to go comment on all the open blueprints | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-03-14-20.02.html | 20:04 |
| redrobot | so | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to -2 pending CRs with a note to resubmit for N and a deadline to mark them as abandoned | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | for the other action, rellerreller mentioned towards the end of that meeting that the fishbowl descriptions are coming along | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #topic Mitaka Release Candidate 1 | 20:05 |
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| diazjf | awesome news | 20:05 |
| redrobot | I'm hoping we can cut RC1 tomorrow. | 20:05 |
| redrobot | Anything critical still pending that we absolutely must have before RC1? | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | I would like to get some eyes on the release notes | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294222/ | 20:06 |
| redrobot | for example. | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | also, feel free to add any release notes I may have missed. | 20:07 |
| kfarr | redrobot, do all release notes need to go in before RC1? | 20:07 |
| redrobot | kfarr yeah, I think so | 20:07 |
| redrobot | kfarr I'm assuming there's autmation around the publishing of the release notes that requires them to be in the repo when the release is made? | 20:08 |
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| kfarr | redrobot, I believe they are already published as you merge them, but I am looking to double check that now | 20:09 |
| redrobot | kfarr interesting... | 20:10 |
| redrobot | kfarr do we have to make a /mitaka page for them? | 20:10 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:10 |
| * redrobot is not sure how the release notes move out of "current" release | 20:11 | |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | Another thing I noticed while looking at the release notes is that our KEK Signature migration script doesn't have a barbican-manage command to run it. | 20:13 |
| redrobot | I tried to add it but ran into a weird issue where the subcommand was listed as valid, but gave an error when you tried to run it. :-\ | 20:14 |
| redrobot | ... | 20:15 |
| redrobot | ok, I'll take that as a no on critical fixes needed before RC1 | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | as soon as the release notes land I'll ask the release team to make the RC1 release. | 20:15 |
| redrobot | that'll mark the start of the N cycle | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | #topic Newton Design Sessions | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-barbican-design-sessions | 20:16 |
| redrobot | just a reminder that we have an etherpad to capture topics for the design summit | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | In case you missed it, the slot allocation was announced on the mailing list | 20:18 |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089467.html | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | Barbican: 2fb, 6wr, cm:half | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | 2 fishbowls - I was thinking 1 for mutiple-backend, the other for castellan | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | 6 working rooms - regular design sessions for topics from etherpad | 20:19 |
| redrobot | cm:half is the 1/2 day contributors meetup | 20:19 |
| redrobot | like we had in Tokyo | 20:19 |
| redrobot | Any questions/comments about the sessions? | 20:20 |
| arunkant | redrobot: Is 1/2 day meet-up going to be on Friday afternoon ? | 20:20 |
| redrobot | arunkant the exact schedule hasn't been announced yet, so there's a 50% chance that it'll be Friday morning. | 20:21 |
| arunkant | redrobot: Can this done be in morning or some other day ? | 20:21 |
| arunkant | redrobot: okay thanks | 20:21 |
| redrobot | I'll let y'all know once the final schedule is out | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:22 |
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| dave-mccowan | There is a new question on the openstack-dev mail list asking about how to deploy Barbican with HA. | 20:23 |
| redrobot | That's all I can think of from the top of my head | 20:23 |
| diazjf | redrobot http://docs.openstack.org/developer/barbican/api/index.html | 20:23 |
| diazjf | the user guide 404s | 20:23 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan oh yeah, I was meaning reploy to that thread | 20:23 |
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| rellerreller | o/ | 20:24 |
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| kfarr | redrobot, release notes auto-publish to http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/barbican/liberty.html (for liberty) | 20:24 |
| redrobot | diazjf seems the move to api-guide is not quite there yet | 20:24 |
| redrobot | diazjf someone is looking into fixing it though: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295472/ | 20:24 |
| kfarr | not sure why mitaka isn't publishing yet: http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/barbican/mitaka.html | 20:24 |
| redrobot | kfarr maybe we need a mitaka.rst ? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/barbican/tree/releasenotes/source | 20:25 |
| kfarr | redrobot, yup, that would do it | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | kfarr do you know if the reno tool has a workflow for taking "unreleased" notes and putting them together in a release page? | 20:26 |
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| kfarr | redrobot, good question, looking into it | 20:28 |
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| dave-mccowan | an item that we could start tracking is the "maturity index" of barbican. https://www.openstack.org/software/releases/liberty/components/barbican there's a couple items that are low hanging fruit that could give us another point or two. | 20:29 |
| kfarr | redrobot, maybe this? http://docs.openstack.org/developer/reno/usage.html#generating-a-report | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | kfarr hmm... maybe | 20:31 |
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| redrobot | kfarr I'll ask around in the release channel | 20:31 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan +1 | 20:31 |
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| kfarr | dave-mccowan +1 +1 +1 | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | well... looks like we're out of topics for today? | 20:35 |
| silos | On the topic of the releasenotes. Do we need to mention the changes to the db? I think we've added a few new revisions. like for user_metadata. | 20:35 |
| redrobot | silos I made a note in one of the patches I submitted last week | 20:35 |
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| silos | redrobot: cool. | 20:36 |
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| woodster_ | dave-mccowan: interesting list...offline upgrade and rolling upgrade capability are interesting | 20:36 |
| rellerreller | redrobot I completed my action item for the topic discussion descriptions. | 20:36 |
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| dave-mccowan | i believe we follow standard deprecation, we just aren't tagged for it. | 20:37 |
| redrobot | rellerreller no worries... do you have an update? | 20:37 |
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| woodster_ | I'd suggest adding discussion of dave-mccowan link to the summit discussion wiki | 20:38 |
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| dave-mccowan | another example: we have an install guide, but it is not in the right repo to earn the "point". | 20:39 |
| rellerreller_ | redrobot sorry I was just kicked off for some reason. Did you respond to my question? | 20:39 |
| rellerreller_ | redrobot ^ the one about where to post the descriptions? Email or etherpad or other? | 20:39 |
| redrobot | rellerreller yes. [15:37:40] <redrobot>rellerreller no worries... do you have an update? | 20:39 |
| rellerreller_ | redrobot I think my question about where to post was lost. | 20:40 |
| redrobot | rellerreller_ you can add descriptions to the newton etherpad if you want? | 20:40 |
| woodster_ | dave-mccowan: I think we need to add grenade testing for the offline upgrade check | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller_ eventually we'll need to add them to the design summit schedule | 20:41 |
| rellerreller_ | redrobot do you have the link for that? I don't think I bookmarked that one. | 20:41 |
| woodster_ | dave-mccowan: I think rolling upgrades are addressed in some projects via use of oslo_db and versioned objects | 20:42 |
| redrobot | rellerreller_ not sure if it's out yet... for previous summits they sent a link to the ML for us to add the description. | 20:42 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan, do you know if the recent change to move docs to the api-guide will address the install guide item? or is that a separate web page? | 20:42 |
| rellerreller_ | redrobot you are talking about the Newton etherpad page? | 20:43 |
| redrobot | rellerreller_ yeah, or a new one. whatever works best for you. | 20:43 |
| redrobot | kfarr I think we would have to be listed here: http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-ubuntu/ | 20:44 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr, i don't know for sure, but the way i read the requirement is that "key management service" would be part of one or more of the 3 install guides at http://docs.openstack.org/ | 20:44 |
| dave-mccowan | Barbican is in the debian repo and in EPEL for the rpm installs, so it should be easy to do. | 20:45 |
| kfarr | redrobot, dave-mccowan oh hmm | 20:45 |
| rellerreller_ | redrobot https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-n-design-sessions | 20:45 |
| redrobot | rellerreller_ thanks | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | looks like someone already added the maturity index topic to the design sessions | 20:49 |
| redrobot | +1 | 20:49 |
| redrobot | alrighty, looks like we're just about done, unless there's a last minute topic? | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: that was me :) | 20:49 |
| redrobot | thanks woodster_ | 20:49 |
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| redrobot | thanks for coming eveyone! | 20:50 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 20:50:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-03-21-20.00.html | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-03-21-20.00.txt | 20:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-03-21-20.00.log.html | 20:50 |
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| carolbarrett | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 21:00:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
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| shamail | hi everyone/ | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Hi - Who's hear for the product working group meeting? | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | hi Shamail | 21:01 |
| * shamail waves | 21:01 | |
| cloudrancher | Hi | 21:01 |
| MarkBaker | Hi carolbarrett & shamail | 21:01 |
| sgordon | \o | 21:01 |
| pchadwick | \o | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | hi MarkBaker | 21:01 |
| pchadwick | Hello all | 21:01 |
| MarkBaker | o/ | 21:01 |
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| carolbarrett | Hi pchadwick | 21:01 |
| HeidiJoy | Here! | 21:01 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:01 |
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| MeganR | o/ | 21:02 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | great to see everyone! | 21:02 |
| annilai | Hi | 21:02 |
| HeidiJoy | o/ = left-handed hand raise. | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | LOL | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | Let's get going! | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#March_21.2C_2016_Product_Team_Meeting_Agenda | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | here's our agenda | 21:02 |
| pchadwick | I never knew what the symbol meant - thanks for the explanation! | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | Let's start with AR follow-up | 21:03 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Action Item Review | 21:03 |
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| carolbarrett | #link: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-03-14-21.00.txt | 21:03 |
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| carolbarrett | let's start with last week's meeting | 21:03 |
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| carolbarrett | Leong is out this week, spring break here in Oregon. Not sure where we are on starting the alternating meetings. Does anyone have an update to share? | 21:04 |
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| shamail | I have not seen any updates on that topic (ML or otherwise), the poll was concluded… I think he was seeking someone to lead that meeting but none confirmed so far | 21:04 |
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| carolbarrett | I'll give him an action item to provide an update next week. | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | #action Leong Update the team on alternating meeting plan | 21:05 |
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| carolbarrett | Next one looks like it's Shamail's - Cross Project Liasons | 21:06 |
| shamail | Please defer this one another week, sorry. I focused on the tracker, roadmap this past week, | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett | Gotcha | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett | #action Shamail Add info on Cross-Project Team liaison roles and requirements and send email too | 21:07 |
| shamail | It’s an easy one to do, that’s why it keeps slipping. :) I’ll put it on my calendar this week. | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | Understand, think you're priorities are the right ones | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | That brings us to the Tracker repo - Shamial | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail (sorry) | 21:07 |
| shamail | np! | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | determine where the repo will be for the tracker tool upstream | 21:07 |
| shamail | We had the kick-off meeting for the tracker/dashboard project and we have identified the location (for now) | 21:08 |
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| shamail | we will build and deploy the first prototype using the OpenStack github repo that hosts the OpenStack Project Navigator | 21:08 |
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| shamail | We might want to have a longer term discussion after the initial prototype (if there is interest in the community) but for now it will be hosted in the same place as most of openstack.org content | 21:09 |
| shamail | which means outside of OpenStack governance | 21:09 |
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| shamail | That is all for now. Any questions/comments? | 21:09 |
| carolbarrett | Good starting point for now, I think | 21:09 |
| shamail | Agreed | 21:09 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks | 21:10 |
| pchadwick | +1 consistency is good. | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett | Next one is mine - review User Stories for +2/+1 needs | 21:10 |
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| shamail | for the record, Jimmy (OpenStack Foundation) has been awesome… as have Victor and Marcela (Intel) | 21:10 |
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| carolbarrett | I did this, but need to continue to do this regularly - lots of action in the repo these days. | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett | The next one is also mine - add user story prioritization to the next team meeting and add a voice line for the discussion | 21:11 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-user-stories | 21:11 |
| shamail | This link is very handy as it shows the current open items… | 21:11 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | I didn't do this, because it was dependent on the next action item which Arkady owns | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | which one is that? | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | Send out doodle of user stories to prioritize after 3/21 team meeting discussion | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I reviewed most oif user stories. | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | I got confused and thought we wanted to do the Doodle first, but remembered our discussion too late. | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | It is not doodle but google forms. | 21:13 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Need one more round of update before ready for prioritization. | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | So I'll take the AR to setup a voice line for the 3/28 meeting and the only agenda item will be user story walk through | 21:13 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett | arkday: google form is OK too. | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Unfortunately survey monkey and google forms does not allow more than 10 answers. With more than 10 stories to prioritize we can not have full linear order. | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett | #action carol setup voice line for 3/28 meeting with agenda of User Story walk through | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett | So let's look at the Action items remaining from our midcycle. | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle_Summary | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Instead I had give priorities 0-3. 3,2,1 are your 3 top choices. Rest are 0. | 21:15 |
| pchadwick | arkady_kanevsky - did you already send out the Google link? | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | not yet. Need to add 2 more stories | 21:15 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: please send out to PWG via mailing list | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | expect it later today | 21:15 |
| shamail | along w/ instructions | 21:16 |
| pchadwick | Thanks. | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes. | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett | I still have a few of my ARs to close out - but nothing that is time sensitive. | 21:17 |
| * shamail looking at etherpad | 21:17 | |
| shamail | mine are completed | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail: Are we ready to "tracked"? | 21:17 |
| shamail | yes | 21:18 |
| shamail | I can submit that patch today | 21:18 |
| shamail | that folder is now empty | 21:18 |
| shamail | draft should be empty soon too | 21:18 |
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| carolbarrett | Let's get rid of them as soon as they are empty. | 21:18 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks | 21:18 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:18 |
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| carolbarrett | Next up is Mike Perez - Are you here? | 21:18 |
| shamail | I dont see thingee | 21:19 |
| HeidiJoy | I'll look for him on Slack | 21:19 |
| shamail | thanks HeidiJoy | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | OK - I've sent him a couple of emails looking for updates, I'm sure he's swamped with the Summit prep. | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | Will reach out again | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | Piet - Are you here? | 21:20 |
| HeidiJoy | He's online but might be busy, so I pinged him and he might join. | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | HeidiJoy - Thanks | 21:20 |
| HeidiJoy | NP | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | Don't see Piet either | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | That closes out the AR follow-up. | 21:21 |
| HeidiJoy | I've been in touch with him today - drop him an email, I suggest. | 21:21 |
| HeidiJoy | (Piet) ^^ | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | Will do | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Rolling Upgrades User Story update - Post Cross-Project Team meeting | 21:21 |
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| rockyg | Quickie for my ARs. Following through with roadmap. Almost have Catherine and Refstack. Also, now on rally IRC | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | Rockyg: Thanks! | 21:22 |
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| shamail | thanks rockyg | 21:22 |
| carolbarrett | Kencjohnston - can you take this next topic? | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | Sure | 21:22 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: I’m glad you could make it (with the time adjustment) | 21:22 |
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| HeidiJoy | Follow up - @thingee has a conflicting meeting now. Feel free to send him an email. Also I'm dropping this meeting for another. TTYL. | 21:22 |
| shamail | bye HeidiJoy | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | There was a cross project team meeting last Tuesday evening | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | where we discussed the Rolling Upgrades Cross Project Spec | 21:23 |
| * kencjohnston finds review link | 21:23 | |
| kencjohnston | #link Cross Project Spec - Rolling Upgrades Review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290977/ | 21:23 |
| kencjohnston | The discussion devolved into one about what the definition and purpose of a cross project spec was | 21:23 |
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| kencjohnston | which slightly puts into question our proposed workflow which utilizes the Cross Proejct Spec repo | 21:24 |
| rockyg | yeah. Not very pretty, I'm afraid. | 21:24 |
| shamail | rockyg: +1 | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | The discussion ended with an action item to furthe rdefine Cross Project Specs in the Project Team Guide | 21:24 |
| * kencjohnston again looks for link | 21:24 | |
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| rockyg | thingee is attempting to enlighten the devs on this issue. | 21:24 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: Will this discussion continue tomorrow? | 21:24 |
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| kencjohnston | #link Cross Project Spec Definition in Project Team Guide http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/cross-project.html#cross-project-specifications | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | shamail form what I can tell it is not on the agenda | 21:25 |
| rockyg | The xproj spec alteration is supposed to be ready for discussion | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | s/form/from | 21:25 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: should we propose it or let it naturally happen? | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | rockyg I haven't seen it, can you send me the review/link? | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | shamail I was waiting for the alteration... | 21:25 |
| * rockyg looking | 21:25 | |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | if it is available I'll send a note to thingee to have it added to the agenda | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | I like the way it reads now... | 21:26 |
| kencjohnston | I was hoping to comment on any review of the alteration | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I have a draft of user story prioritirization questionare ready - https://docs.google.com/forms/d/19zxTup3GrYWEmdus_jLUIpDigN3ubCyP6PsgKM9S1DE/viewform | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Will give people time to comment before sending for votes | 21:26 |
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| kencjohnston | carolbarrett Has it changed since last week? | 21:26 |
| thingee | o/ | 21:26 |
| kencjohnston | ohai thingee | 21:26 |
| thingee | hey everyone had another meeting to attend | 21:26 |
| kencjohnston | no worries | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | thanks for joining | 21:27 |
| kencjohnston | We were discussing the status of the xproject spec definition change in the Project Team Guide | 21:27 |
| shamail | hi thingee | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | your timing is perfect | 21:27 |
| thingee | yeah, we'll need to discuss it in tomorrow's cross-project meeting. | 21:27 |
| rockyg | kencjohnston, not there yet. Doug Hellmann is doing it and he's been kinda busy with release last and this week | 21:27 |
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| kencjohnston | rockyg ok understood. | 21:27 |
| kencjohnston | Another AR I have as a result is to adjust the User Story to be scoped exclusively to what work is already underway/completed in projects claiming "Rolling Ugprades" | 21:28 |
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| kencjohnston | Our original definition is more expansive than what is contained withing hte "supports-rolling-upgrades" meta-data tag | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Where is that defined? | 21:29 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnson: was there discussion about changing the tag? | 21:29 |
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| kencjohnston | carolbarrett there was not | 21:29 |
| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky let me find the link | 21:29 |
| rockyg | some stng discussion on "no rollbacks" | 21:30 |
| shamail | kencjohnston and thingee: we can start from what | 21:30 |
| rockyg | s/stng/strong | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanjs., | 21:30 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | What is the delta between user story and tag def? | 21:30 |
| carolbarrett | thingee: is the working on the cross-spec page for the purpose of a Cross-Project spec , new proposed wording? | 21:30 |
| shamail | what’s there and then add other things later right? | 21:30 |
| kencjohnston | #link Rolling Upgrades Tag Definition https://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/assert_supports-rolling-upgrade.html | 21:30 |
| shamail | I mean reduce it to align with WIP and then add more things later | 21:30 |
| kencjohnston | shamail yes that is my understanding | 21:31 |
| shamail | glad to hear that | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on the plan. We still need to define delta and track it for roadmap | 21:32 |
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| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky +1 | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | Thingee: What is your goal for the discussion in the meeting tomorrow? | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | should we review tags going forward? | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I htink thingee left for another meeting | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett | OK | 21:33 |
| shamail | I think those of us that can make the meeting tomorrow, should. | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | Who can attend the cross-project meeting tomorrow to help with the discussion? | 21:34 |
| shamail | jinx | 21:34 |
| thingee | carolbarrett: to discuss how we want to handle these sort of documents that people don't consider a specification. | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: +1 | 21:34 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:34 |
| shamail | I’ll try to be there. | 21:34 |
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| kencjohnston | I'll be there. | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | thingee: are you bringing a proposal to the discussion? | 21:34 |
| thingee | I think the rolling upgrade came across to some people as a wish list. Also the people that weren't happy with this were the people that would ideally help fill out the technical details. | 21:35 |
| rockyg | But in this group, we need to do a postmordem to modify how we do this going forward. | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | rockyg +1 | 21:35 |
| kencjohnston | rockyg +1 | 21:35 |
| shamail | thingee: this leads back to where does “gaps analysis” need to happen | 21:35 |
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| annilai | +1 | 21:35 |
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| rockyg | One thing would be to separate out the update part of the story so it is independent. It's not somethind dev is even thinking about at the moment. It happens at the packager from most of their perspectives. | 21:36 |
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| thingee | so I think tomorrow I'm going to propose a change to the project team guide from the cross-project section on what our goals for the specifications should be. | 21:36 |
| carolbarrett | I wonder at what point we take a discussion to the TC.... | 21:36 |
| shamail | If we could agree that cross-project specs can be used as a source for other cross-project specs then the rolling upgrades spec could be considered a concept/topic and the actual implementation guidelines (that would be cross project specs) could reference it. | 21:36 |
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| thingee | carolbarrett: keep in mind people like sdague are on the TC | 21:36 |
| rockyg | carolbarrett, not there yet ;-) | 21:36 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett Isn't the xproject team largely the TC? | 21:36 |
| rockyg | Let's let thingee do some magic first | 21:37 |
| shamail | rockyg: ++ | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston: I didn't think so. | 21:37 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | reading reqs it is dependendent on Grenade testing. So they should be the one tagging... | 21:37 |
| shamail | TCs + PTLs + CSPLs | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett | rockyg: +1 | 21:37 |
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| thingee | carolbarrett: who was not interested in the current format | 21:37 |
| thingee | I think it just came across wrong and needs to be cleared up | 21:38 |
| shamail | thingee: +1 | 21:38 |
| carolbarrett | thingee: not following your comment...? | 21:38 |
| carolbarrett | That I understand | 21:38 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: the person who didn’t agre with the format was a person who is also a TC | 21:38 |
| shamail | agree* | 21:38 |
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| thingee | carolbarrett: you said, when do we bring this up to the TC... people from the TC already started commenting on it not understanding why this was proposed to cross-project specs to begin with | 21:38 |
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| rockyg | carolbarrett, our new process. It took us half a day to work it out. And we plopped it down in devs' laps with nary a word | 21:38 |
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| carolbarrett | thingee, rockgy: Gotcha. | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thingee, Is Grenade folks signed up for project PTL tag designation for rolling_upgrade? | 21:39 |
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| carolbarrett | OK - we'll have folks join the discussion tomorrow and see where it goes and regroup on next steps next week | 21:39 |
| rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky, sean dague is big in grenade | 21:39 |
| shamail | I agree with rockyg, let’s see how the discussion that thingee leads goes… I think he has been successful in relaying the change to individuals but it probably just needs to happen with the cross-project team as a whole | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | Anything else on this one before we move on? | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: +1 | 21:40 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett none from me | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | thingee ? | 21:40 |
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| thingee | none | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | Next topic is Quota User Story | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Quota User Story | 21:40 |
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| carolbarrett | Shamail - can you take this one? | 21:40 |
| shamail | sure | 21:41 |
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| rockyg | carolbarrett, actually funny that's the next topic. That's what is under discussion in the cross project meeting channel right now | 21:41 |
| shamail | Nikhil K. recently sent out an email to the dev ML about a cross-project spec for quotas | 21:41 |
| shamail | I don’t have the link to the message handy | 21:41 |
| * nikhil lurks | 21:41 | |
| shamail | but the cross project spec can be found here | 21:41 |
| shamail | hi nikhil :) | 21:42 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284454/ | 21:42 |
| nikhil | :) | 21:42 |
| nikhil | shamail: here's the thread | 21:42 |
| nikhil | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/thread.html#89453 | 21:42 |
| shamail | Thanks! | 21:42 |
| shamail | We have had capacity management as a high pri. user story for a while now | 21:42 |
| shamail | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/user-stories/draft/capacity_management.html | 21:42 |
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| shamail | and this might be a good time to intersect the quota cross-project spec and the user story | 21:42 |
| kencjohnston | shamail My view is that Capacity Management is much more expansive then centralized quota enforcement | 21:43 |
| rockyg | Certainly would be. It's great to have nikhil here! | 21:43 |
| kencjohnston | Or the story as written is | 21:43 |
| shamail | The cross-project quota team is deciding whether quotas should be a separate library or service in OpenStack so that we can have uniform features across the various services | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | should we have this user story in our prioritirization list? | 21:43 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: it certainly is! | 21:43 |
| rockyg | And with that, gotta go. Sorry. I'll catch up later in the log | 21:43 |
| nikhil | rockyg: :) | 21:43 |
| shamail | The initial gameplan is to start the new cross project spec for quotas at a basic level and tackle things like nested quota support first | 21:43 |
| kencjohnston | thanks rockyg | 21:43 |
| kencjohnston | shamail I think that is the right approach | 21:44 |
| kencjohnston | it would be good to have a centralized quota usage story | 21:44 |
| kencjohnston | so we could outline the benefits and pain points experienced today in one central place | 21:44 |
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| shamail | but my thought was that we could also provide our user story so that those needs are captured and discussed before cross-project quota functionality continues to expand | 21:44 |
| kencjohnston | but they way we have the story writtne now I'm not sure it's valuable to the effort at the moment. | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | bye rockyg | 21:44 |
| shamail | better to be ahead of the curve versus behind it (like we ended up with rolling upgrades) | 21:44 |
| kencjohnston | shamail +1, but I think we need a new story to do that | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett | +1 shamail | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on the story. | 21:45 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: I agree, it’s just data points for now… we need to modified version as a starting point | 21:45 |
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| kencjohnston | shamail Say more about that? Not sure I follow. | 21:45 |
| shamail | The topic I wanted to raise was trying to have an owner here so that we can progress this story | 21:45 |
| kencjohnston | shamail ah, ok, agreed | 21:46 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: I propose we have a new (minimal) user story that aligns with the current needs… assign an owner… and then ensure that we also share the advanced items from the original story as the opportunity surfaces | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: +1 | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | shamail +1, although I'm keeping my hand down :) | 21:46 |
| shamail | awww lol | 21:47 |
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| shamail | Any volunteers? | 21:47 |
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| shamail | I would be up for taking it if no one else is. | 21:47 |
| * shamail looks around the room | 21:47 | |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | every alreasy stepped back | 21:48 |
| shamail | I’ll volunteer as owner :) | 21:48 |
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| carolbarrett | Shamail - I can team up with you, but don't think I have the details to own it | 21:48 |
| shamail | I’ll work with nikhil and the cross project team to align user story with current status and keep our team updated | 21:48 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett Piet got some good feedback from Operators on this subject at the Ops MidCycle | 21:48 |
| nikhil | ++ | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will review. I need to create another user story for refcore reporting improvement. One story at a timne for me. | 21:48 |
| shamail | thanks carolbarrett! | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks Shamail | 21:49 |
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| shamail | The other major ask for this topic is… | 21:49 |
| carolbarrett | #action Shamail, Carol Create new Quota Management User Story | 21:49 |
| shamail | The cross-project quota team is already investigating plans for Newton (and maybe Ocata) | 21:49 |
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| shamail | If any companies have an interest in this topic then let’s let our development teams know so that we can help out where/when possible | 21:49 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: Let's set time this week to work on this. | 21:49 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:50 |
| shamail | That is all for now | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks shamail | 21:50 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: I propose we defer the roadmap topic and use the remaining time for OSIC | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | The next topic is an OSIC roadmap Goals and Prioroties | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | Kencjohnston - we've only got 10 mins, do you want to do this now? | 21:51 |
| kencjohnston | Thanks carolbarrett | 21:51 |
| kencjohnston | sure I'll get as far as I can | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | OK | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | #topic OSIC Roadmap Goals and Priorities - | 21:51 |
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| kencjohnston | So, for those unfamiliar OSIC (OpenStack Innovation Center) is a joint effort between Intel and Rackspace | 21:51 |
| kencjohnston | Think of it as two 1000 node clusters available for the community to use for testing | 21:51 |
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| kencjohnston | #link Cluster Signup http://www.osic.org/ | 21:52 |
| kencjohnston | AND I'd argue more importantly, because it is my job, 100+ and growing developers working directly upstream | 21:52 |
| kencjohnston | with no agenda other than to improve enterprise adoption of OpenStack | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what about physical network? Is storage SDS on nodes onoy? | 21:52 |
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| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky I'm happy to get you to specifics about the cluster, ping me offline | 21:53 |
| kencjohnston | So those developers are working against a roadmap | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sure. | 21:53 |
| kencjohnston | we have a certain set of items/work that we consider a priority, which are really OSIC driven | 21:53 |
| kencjohnston | but the majority of our time upstream is spent on community priorities that follow our mission, driving enterprise adoption | 21:53 |
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| kencjohnston | and themes: simplicity, upgradeability, reliability and scalability | 21:53 |
| kencjohnston | all pretty motherhood and apple pie :) | 21:54 |
| kencjohnston | Those OSIC driven priorities, some of which are internal baselining and CI setup are documented here: | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | always a favorite! | 21:54 |
| nikhil | ++ (many ignored today) | 21:54 |
| kencjohnston | #link OSIC Driven Priorities - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OSIC-Roadmap-Measurable-Goals | 21:54 |
| kencjohnston | We'll be constantly reviewing community priorities and producing our first revision of what we plan to work on which includes community priorities and osic driven ones by the end of hte month | 21:55 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes. Enterprise requires many things. One of them is resiliency and improved pet handling. There are physical environment dependent... | 21:55 |
| kencjohnston | We're hoping to conform to the projects internal prioritization process where they have them | 21:55 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston: What are the “OSIC projects”? | 21:55 |
| kencjohnston | So I'd love feedback on the etherpad and our major goals | 21:55 |
| kencjohnston | shamail there is a list at the bottom | 21:55 |
| kencjohnston | of the etherpad | 21:55 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:55 |
| shamail | good list | 21:56 |
| kencjohnston | and be on the lookout for a published roadmap, agian which will have room to flex as priorities are defined and outlined at the Austin Design Summit | 21:56 |
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| kencjohnston | KrishR and I are your point people, feel free to reach out to either of us at anytiem | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | is there a session at Austin summit on it? | 21:56 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: Are OSIC roadmap items only able to come from developers using the resources and OSIC itself. Is there a set % of resources allocated to community (e.g. PWG user stories)? | 21:57 |
| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky sadly the roadmap review session was not approved, so no | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what about BOF? | 21:57 |
| kencjohnston | shamail OSIC roadmap items will likely include many items not originally derived by OSIC itself. | 21:57 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston: I guess the broader question I am getting at is how are items selected beyond topics raised by OSIC or the companies involved? | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:58 |
| KrishR | shamail: as kencjohnston explained, a lot of OSIC resources are kept for comunity priorities; so PWG-driven ones can be accommodated | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | KrishR +1 | 21:58 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston: Thanks, that’s what I was asking and what do we need to provide from PWG to formally raise a topic for roadmap discussion | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | So PWG priorities are reviewed prior to roadmap finalization | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | that is how Rolling Upgrades got on as a theme | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what is OSA? | 21:58 |
| shamail | OpenStack Ansible | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky OpenStack Ansible | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | So we are about out of time | 21:59 |
| kencjohnston | but again follow up and thanks Carol for letting me have a few minutes to discuss. | 21:59 |
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| carolbarrett | So as we go through our next round of prioritization, we will provide input to the OSIC roadmap planning | 21:59 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohston and krish: Thanks | 21:59 |
| kencjohnston | One last thing, as you can see in the ehterpad our initiatives will be creating User Stories. There are two I created last week. | 21:59 |
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| kencjohnston | carolbarrett thanks | 21:59 |
| shamail | Thanks kencjohnston and KrishR… Can you please raise notice in the PWG when the next cycle of roadmap reviews is about to happen so that we can discuss user stories concepts as a team for additional data points into your efforts? | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks team | 21:59 |
| carolbarrett | OK folks we're out of time for today; Pls find time to look over the User Stories ahead of next week's meeting | 22:00 |
| carolbarrett | Have a good week | 22:00 |
| KrishR | shamail: we'll do that | 22:00 |
| MeganR | bye | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | bye | 22:00 |
| pchadwick | bye | 22:00 |
| kencjohnston | bye all, thanks | 22:00 |
| carolbarrett | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 22:00:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| shamail | Thanks for covering this topic, I’m excited about OSIC | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-03-21-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-03-21-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-03-21-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| shamail | bye everyone! | 22:00 |
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