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| m3m0_ | #startmeeting | 14:02 |
| openstack | m3m0_: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 14:02 |
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| m3m0_ | #startmeeting 'Freezer meeting 11-02-16' | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 11 14:03:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: 'Freezer meeting 11-02-16')" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '_freezer_meeting_11_02_16_' | 14:03 |
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| m3m0_ | hello guys, raise your hand if you are joining the freezer meeting | 14:04 |
| m3m0_ | o/ | 14:04 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 14:04 |
| daemontool | o/ | 14:04 |
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| m3m0_ | let's wait 2 more minutes | 14:05 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:05 |
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| daemontool | reldan, \o | 14:05 |
| reldan | daemontool: \o/ | 14:05 |
| m3m0_ | I don't know if frescof_ is around but the first topics relates to him | 14:06 |
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| m3m0_ | slashme not around as well so let's move forward with the second topic | 14:07 |
| daemontool | yes I understand slashme and szaher have some thought about it | 14:07 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:07 |
| m3m0_ | #topic Add options to not remove files before the restore (Deklan) | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add options to not remove files before the restore (Deklan) (Meeting topic: 'Freezer meeting 11-02-16')" | 14:07 | |
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| daemontool | ddieterly, that is related to the issue you had | 14:07 |
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| daemontool | does it make sense the mail response I sent you on the reason why files in the directory are delete before doing a restore? | 14:08 |
| m3m0_ | ddieterly is there a commit or bp or bug related to this that we can review? | 14:08 |
| daemontool | although I think we have to provide some more options to configure that | 14:08 |
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| m3m0_ | just for everyone to have context on this, the problem is that while doing restore freezer removes the content of the directory to be restored first? | 14:09 |
| ddieterly | i am sending a follow up email | 14:09 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, ty please | 14:09 |
| ddieterly | the problem is that the backup came from /tmp/freezer-test/... | 14:09 |
| daemontool | wirte that to a bp or bug | 14:09 |
| ddieterly | then the restore was to /users/dieterld/ | 14:09 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:09 |
| ddieterly | all files in /users/dieterld were removed | 14:09 |
| ddieterly | that does not seem correct | 14:10 |
| ddieterly | it seems catastrophic | 14:10 |
| daemontool | I understand that | 14:11 |
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| daemontool | the thing is that if you want to do that | 14:11 |
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| daemontool | you have to backup /home/user with freezer | 14:11 |
| daemontool | I mean | 14:11 |
| daemontool | I udnerstand your case | 14:11 |
| daemontool | bbut in production environment | 14:11 |
| daemontool | for real world application | 14:12 |
| daemontool | by not removing files lead in the past | 14:12 |
| daemontool | to many issues | 14:12 |
| daemontool | but we can provide options to do that | 14:12 |
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| daemontool | for sure | 14:12 |
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| daemontool | ddieterly, the options we have are | 14:13 |
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| daemontool | 1) delete the directory before restore | 14:13 |
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| daemontool | 2) override only the files that exists in both the restore directory and in the backup | 14:13 |
| m3m0_ | so far the behaviour is that if you restore, freezer expects the path to be empty, otherwise the consistency of the backup/restore could be compromised | 14:13 |
| daemontool | yes that's the issue | 14:14 |
| daemontool | you backup a whole directory | 14:14 |
| daemontool | you restore a whole directory | 14:14 |
| daemontool | but we need to have mechanism | 14:14 |
| daemontool | to avoid that | 14:14 |
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| ddieterly | you can say 'override existing files?' | 14:14 |
| daemontool | to avoid ddieterly case | 14:14 |
| m3m0_ | or --force | 14:14 |
| ddieterly | but, don't delete files in the target directory | 14:14 |
| daemontool | currently is not possible, but is very easy to provide | 14:15 |
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| ddieterly | no one expects files to be deleted when a restore happens | 14:15 |
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| daemontool | for applicatinos yes | 14:15 |
| daemontool | let's say | 14:15 |
| daemontool | you backup /var/lib/mysql | 14:16 |
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| daemontool | then disaster happens | 14:16 |
| daemontool | then you restore /var/lib/mysql | 14:16 |
| daemontool | what do you expect to have? | 14:16 |
| daemontool | the same content of when you took the backup? | 14:16 |
| daemontool | or the same with /var/lib/jenkins | 14:17 |
| daemontool | where the xml files are read by the application when it starts | 14:17 |
| ddieterly | if i want a clean directory before the backup, then i should manually delete all fles | 14:17 |
| ddieterly | the restore should not do that itseld | 14:17 |
| ddieterly | 'before the restore' | 14:17 |
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| daemontool | so , for instance | 14:17 |
| daemontool | you execute the backups and you do not dereference symbolic links | 14:18 |
| daemontool | then you restore | 14:18 |
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| daemontool | and the links with data of previous data | 14:18 |
| daemontool | points to current files | 14:18 |
| daemontool | and the application doesn't work | 14:18 |
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| daemontool | I agree with you | 14:19 |
| daemontool | that we need to provide flexibility | 14:19 |
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| m3m0_ | but we need to agree in a default behaviour | 14:19 |
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| daemontool | but removing the directory content before restoring | 14:19 |
| daemontool | I think it make sense for applications in production | 14:19 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, what default behavior do you recommend? | 14:20 |
| daemontool | override only existing files? | 14:20 |
| ddieterly | don't automatically delete anything | 14:20 |
| ddieterly | have a flag to allow everything to be deleted | 14:20 |
| ddieterly | have a flag to allow overriding existing files | 14:21 |
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| daemontool | that didn't worked in the past | 14:21 |
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| daemontool | not deleting I mean | 14:21 |
| daemontool | for mongodb | 14:21 |
| daemontool | ou have the journal logs in /var/lib/mysql | 14:22 |
| daemontool | if you do not remove the directory before | 14:22 |
| ddieterly | default behavior should be to just restore the files and if a file already exists, throw an error and stop unless the user has explicitly stated to override existing files | 14:22 |
| m3m0_ | freezer-agent --action restore --restore-abs-path /home/u/ --soft-restore ? | 14:22 |
| daemontool | ok ddieterly can you write a bp for that? | 14:22 |
| ddieterly | yea, there should be an option to totally wipe out what is already in the directory | 14:23 |
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| ddieterly | sure | 14:23 |
| m3m0_ | I don't agree with that | 14:23 |
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| daemontool | I do not agree either... I've suffered that when I was working in ops in the past | 14:23 |
| daemontool | but | 14:23 |
| daemontool | let's have the bp | 14:23 |
| daemontool | and we can discuss further | 14:24 |
| daemontool | sound? | 14:24 |
| m3m0_ | the priority is to restore to a previous state, not deal with complex scenarios in which we can have different verions of files | 14:24 |
| ddieterly | ? | 14:24 |
| vannif | maybe leaving the existing files around is a good default behavior for "fs" mode. The default for modes like "mysql" could be to wipe out the destination before extracting files | 14:24 |
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| m3m0_ | but we should warn the user that the directory is not empty | 14:24 |
| daemontool | for sure we need to be more explicit expalning that in the options | 14:25 |
| daemontool | and documentation | 14:25 |
| m3m0_ | to abort or continue the restore process | 14:25 |
| daemontool | vannif, for application that writes journals in the file system using aotmic writes (pretty much any nosql db) | 14:26 |
| daemontool | the mode is fs | 14:26 |
| daemontool | so if you do not delete that journals log | 14:26 |
| daemontool | when you restart the app | 14:26 |
| slashme | m3m0_: please let's not have anything interactive. It's hell to automate | 14:26 |
| daemontool | it will reply them | 14:26 |
| daemontool | replay | 14:27 |
| m3m0_ | agree on that, so we need to find a way | 14:27 |
| daemontool | so you have a mixed that on the restore | 14:27 |
| daemontool | from old and new | 14:27 |
| m3m0_ | or add new flags to deal with this | 14:27 |
| daemontool | we need to provide more flexibility for sure | 14:27 |
| daemontool | as ddieterly case r real | 14:27 |
| daemontool | so let's have a bp | 14:28 |
| m3m0_ | we need a bp to define the correct behaviour on this | 14:28 |
| daemontool | yes the only thing we are diverding is the default behaviour | 14:28 |
| daemontool | s/diverding/diverging/ | 14:29 |
| daemontool | can we move forward? | 14:29 |
| m3m0_ | ddieterly: we should, ddieterly agree on this? | 14:30 |
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| ddieterly | yes | 14:30 |
| m3m0_ | do you want to provide a bp? | 14:30 |
| ddieterly | ok | 14:30 |
| daemontool | ty | 14:30 |
| m3m0_ | ty | 14:31 |
| m3m0_ | next #topic 'Define common metadata for all backups' | 14:31 |
| daemontool | reldan, we had to do this | 14:31 |
| daemontool | and we didn't | 14:31 |
| m3m0_ | #topic Define common metadata for all backups | 14:31 |
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| daemontool | so early next week we need to have 1 hour conversation | 14:32 |
| daemontool | to define it | 14:32 |
| reldan | Yes, do we have a requiremens? I remember that it should be the first step? | 14:32 |
| m3m0_ | we want to have a midcycle meetup as well | 14:32 |
| daemontool | I've sent a request to the product owner | 14:32 |
| daemontool | here | 14:32 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, did you manage to get some requirements from Arun? | 14:32 |
| ddieterly | yes | 14:33 |
| ddieterly | one sec please | 14:33 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:33 |
| ddieterly | The quick ones I can think of -from upstream perspective (not in priority order J ) | 14:33 |
| ddieterly | - ES backup (logs and Freezer jobs) | 14:33 |
| ddieterly | - Metering (esp Billing related ones) | 14:33 |
| ddieterly | - Storage Quota management ( I am not sure how much we have here) | 14:33 |
| ddieterly | - Vertica DB | 14:33 |
| ddieterly | - Swift data backup | 14:33 |
| ddieterly | - Container backup | 14:33 |
| m3m0_ | swift data backup? | 14:34 |
| ddieterly | Here is the complete requirement backlog | 14:34 |
| ddieterly | https://jira.hpcloud.net/issues/?filter=26722 | 14:34 |
| ddieterly | yea, backup swift, i guess | 14:34 |
| daemontool | ok we need that added in our wiki | 14:34 |
| m3m0_ | mmm | 14:34 |
| reldan | Container backup? | 14:34 |
| daemontool | let's collect the requirements | 14:34 |
| reldan | Are we going to backup swift? | 14:34 |
| daemontool | and then we discuss them in details | 14:35 |
| m3m0_ | I hope not | 14:35 |
| daemontool | I don't know, we asked for requirements, that's what we got :) | 14:35 |
| ddieterly | yea, backup swift to swift ;-) | 14:35 |
| m3m0_ | but adding more modes in freezer should require an improvement on the plugin layer | 14:35 |
| reldan | Is it requirements for tenant backup? | 14:35 |
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| reldan | Just I see metering | 14:35 |
| daemontool | good question | 14:35 |
| reldan | And don’t sure that it is a part of tenant backup | 14:36 |
| daemontool | reldan, I think so | 14:36 |
| szaher_ | Yes, we need badly the plugin layer | 14:36 |
| slashme | szaher_: +100 | 14:36 |
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| daemontool | ok please write a bp for that | 14:36 |
| szaher_ | Ok | 14:37 |
| ddieterly | are there any reqs from ericcson? | 14:37 |
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| daemontool | re: backup modes abstraction, make it pluggable to easily add new backup modes | 14:37 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, not yet | 14:37 |
| daemontool | I've requested it to the product owner | 14:38 |
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| m3m0_ | for metering and Storage Quota management we should rely on other components | 14:38 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, do you mind create a new page on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Freezer and add those? | 14:39 |
| daemontool | I can do it if you are busy | 14:40 |
| daemontool | we all add ours there | 14:40 |
| daemontool | and then we translate that to a roadmap | 14:40 |
| ddieterly | the reqs from arun, you mean? | 14:40 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:40 |
| ddieterly | sure | 14:40 |
| daemontool | thanks a M | 14:40 |
| szaher_ | for the pluggable layer should we have a different bp for db, engine, mods, storage ? | 14:40 |
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| m3m0_ | yes, that could be better | 14:41 |
| reldan | So I propose to postpond creation of common metadata for all backups untill we will have at least some requirements | 14:41 |
| daemontool | szaher_, I think so | 14:41 |
| daemontool | reldan, ok | 14:41 |
| reldan | The last thing we want - is support many versions of schema | 14:41 |
| daemontool | but I think we can start defining the meta for tenant resources backups? | 14:42 |
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| daemontool | ok we'll talk about that offline | 14:43 |
| daemontool | next? | 14:43 |
| m3m0_ | #topic Python34 jobs | 14:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python34 jobs (Meeting topic: 'Freezer meeting 11-02-16')" | 14:43 | |
| slashme | daemontool: I think we need the plugin layer for the tenant backup | 14:43 |
| daemontool | slashme, ++ | 14:43 |
| reldan | daemontool: we can define the meta, but without requirements we will create v1. After receiving requirements we will have v2 and etc | 14:43 |
| daemontool | so we are blocked by the pluggable mode | 14:44 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:44 |
| daemontool | szaher_, please write the bp asap | 14:44 |
| daemontool | so we can start with the implementation | 14:44 |
| m3m0_ | that should be the priority before moving forwrd | 14:44 |
| szaher_ | Ok | 14:44 |
| daemontool | bp both on launchpad and gerrit | 14:44 |
| daemontool | review and acceptance in gerrit | 14:45 |
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| daemontool | m3m0_, next? | 14:45 |
| szaher_ | that is another important thing we need to priorities things | 14:45 |
| m3m0_ | and please update the etherpad with those bp | 14:45 |
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| m3m0_ | the next topic is python 34 jobs | 14:46 |
| m3m0_ | who is involved in this? | 14:46 |
| m3m0_ | reldan? | 14:46 |
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| daemontool | reldan, slashme and me | 14:46 |
| daemontool | mainly reldan | 14:46 |
| m3m0_ | is there any updates? because I'm getting -1 in my patches for freezer :) | 14:46 |
| reldan | Yes, I suddenly have found that we have python 34 in infra, but our code is not py3 complient at all | 14:46 |
| daemontool | that's a big priority | 14:47 |
| daemontool | so on kilo python34, docs and dsvm are disabled | 14:48 |
| reldan | I’m going to send fix today. But I have to skip several tests | 14:48 |
| daemontool | reldan, let's see this offline | 14:48 |
| daemontool | on the project chan | 14:48 |
| m3m0_ | so should we move with another topic? | 14:49 |
| daemontool | we have 10 minutes left | 14:49 |
| daemontool | I think so | 14:49 |
| daemontool | we can keep talking on #openstack-freezer if we want after the meeting ends here | 14:49 |
| m3m0_ | ok, etherpad updated | 14:50 |
| m3m0_ | #topic Source code walkthrough | 14:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Source code walkthrough (Meeting topic: 'Freezer meeting 11-02-16')" | 14:50 | |
| m3m0_ | who requested this topic? | 14:50 |
| daemontool | this is important for new commiters | 14:50 |
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| daemontool | like the guys from 99Cloud | 14:50 |
| daemontool | but we need to finish | 14:50 |
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| daemontool | we need to wait the Spring Festival | 14:51 |
| m3m0_ | so we need to set a time and place for this for people to join | 14:51 |
| daemontool | end | 14:51 |
| m3m0_ | do you know the guys? | 14:51 |
| daemontool | yes we can set the times for next week | 14:51 |
| daemontool | on IRC | 14:51 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:51 |
| daemontool | EinstCracy and zhangjn | 14:52 |
| m3m0_ | ok, are you going to do this? | 14:52 |
| daemontool | so we have to find a suitable time for ddieterly to | 14:52 |
| daemontool | we are going to do this | 14:52 |
| ddieterly | :-) | 14:52 |
| daemontool | for the components we know more | 14:52 |
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| m3m0_ | no I mean, set the time with them | 14:52 |
| daemontool | ah yes | 14:52 |
| daemontool | let's talk about it offline on the freezer chan | 14:52 |
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| m3m0_ | perfect :) sure | 14:52 |
| m3m0_ | last topic then | 14:52 |
| m3m0_ | sorry last -1 :P | 14:53 |
| m3m0_ | #topic Mitaka-3 | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka-3 (Meeting topic: 'Freezer meeting 11-02-16')" | 14:53 | |
| daemontool | this is needed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260950/ | 14:53 |
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| daemontool | in order to ublock this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271072/ | 14:53 |
| daemontool | because I doubt pytest will be added to global0-requirements | 14:54 |
| daemontool | so py34 fix is really needed | 14:54 |
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| m3m0_ | ok, then that should be priority number 1 | 14:54 |
| daemontool | if there are no comment let's go next | 14:55 |
| daemontool | ++ | 14:55 |
| m3m0_ | #topic Midcycle meetup | 14:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle meetup (Meeting topic: 'Freezer meeting 11-02-16')" | 14:55 | |
| m3m0_ | slashme do you want to propose someting here? | 14:55 |
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| slashme | Yes: Let's do a midcycle meetup | 14:56 |
| daemontool | slashme, ++ before or after the summit? | 14:56 |
| m3m0_ | IRC, skype, galway? | 14:56 |
| slashme | We have a few item on our list that require strong thinking before implementation | 14:56 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:56 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:56 |
| slashme | I think IRL is better | 14:56 |
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| daemontool | ok for me | 14:57 |
| m3m0_ | when? | 14:57 |
| slashme | Question is : Can daemontool and ddieterly make it to Galway | 14:57 |
| daemontool | I can | 14:57 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, too | 14:57 |
| daemontool | haha | 14:57 |
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| daemontool | HP Galway can host it | 14:57 |
| slashme | That would be the idea. | 14:57 |
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| ddieterly | its possible | 14:57 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:57 |
| ddieterly | i'll check | 14:58 |
| m3m0_ | guys we are running out of time | 14:58 |
| slashme | Then let's see the organisation offline | 14:58 |
| ddieterly | when is it? | 14:58 |
| daemontool | let's think about possible suitable dates and discuss moer details | 14:58 |
| daemontool | on the next meeting | 14:58 |
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| daemontool | ddieterly, we have to define that including you too | 14:58 |
| ddieterly | ok | 14:58 |
| daemontool | so this is a next weeking topic for the agenda | 14:58 |
| daemontool | next | 14:58 |
| m3m0_ | #agree | 14:58 |
| daemontool | #agreed | 14:59 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:59 |
| daemontool | so now we need to discuss the DR bp | 14:59 |
| daemontool | I understand there are discordant feelings about it | 14:59 |
| m3m0_ | we can do it in #openstack-freezer channel or next week | 14:59 |
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| daemontool | let's do it after this meeting on freezer chan | 14:59 |
| m3m0_ | ok guys, time's over | 15:00 |
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| m3m0_ | thanks all for participating | 15:00 |
| m3m0_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| daemontool | thanks m3m0_ | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 11 15:00:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_freezer_meeting_11_02_16_/2016/_freezer_meeting_11_02_16_.2016-02-11-14.03.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_freezer_meeting_11_02_16_/2016/_freezer_meeting_11_02_16_.2016-02-11-14.03.txt | 15:00 |
| slashme | Thx m3m0_ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_freezer_meeting_11_02_16_/2016/_freezer_meeting_11_02_16_.2016-02-11-14.03.log.html | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 11 15:01:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| mkoderer | hello | 15:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | Hello o/ | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| tpsilva | hello | 15:01 |
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| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
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| csaba | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| dustins | \o | 15:01 |
| markstur_ | hi | 15:01 |
| cfouts | hi | 15:01 |
| bsuchok_ | Hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
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| tbarron | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic Hierarchical port binding support | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Hierarchical port binding support (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| mkoderer | just a short update | 15:02 |
| mkoderer | I create a wiki page about the current state | 15:02 |
| mkoderer | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/design/manila-newton-hpb-support | 15:02 |
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| mkoderer | I am currently building a POC to see how we can move ahead with this feature | 15:03 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: I also created a BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/manila-hpb-support | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | mkoderer: what is your timeframe? | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | mkoderer: do we need to wait for anything on the neutron side to happen? | 15:03 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: I hope to get it running within the next 2 weeks | 15:03 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: in my current design idea we would need a neutron-manila-agent | 15:04 |
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| mkoderer | but I hope I find a way to avoid it | 15:04 |
| mkoderer | I pushed the first litte fix upstream: https://review.openstack.org/277731 | 15:04 |
| mkoderer | that adds multi-segment support | 15:05 |
| mkoderer | IMHO it's more a bug fix than a feature implementation :) | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | mkoderer: I hope we can avoid an agent too | 15:05 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: would that agent be a neutron thing? or a manila thing? | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | I guess I can't imagine what purpose a manila agent would serve | 15:06 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: the agent would do the actual binding between the phsical network prot | 15:06 |
| mkoderer | s/prot/port/ | 15:06 |
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| mkoderer | so it's more a "neutron" thing.. but in Nova there is a special RPC notification mechanism | 15:06 |
| mkoderer | to get the current port stated push to nova instead of polling | 15:07 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: I think that everything that needs to be done should either be in the manila share manager/driver or outside of manila, in neutron | 15:07 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: I agree.. I will see if it works :) | 15:07 |
| bswartz | and I don't know enough about neutron's architecture to suggest where in neutron something like this should live | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | I've been expecting neutron to develop the right APIs to allow physical port binding for nearly 3 years now... | 15:08 |
| bswartz | we need it, and ironic needs it | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | probably other projects need it by now | 15:08 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: AFAIK ironic has something done in that part.. but I need to check | 15:08 |
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| mkoderer | ok so I will work on the prototype and then we can discuss how to land it in manila/neutron | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | k | 15:09 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: will you be in austin? | 15:09 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: yes | 15:09 |
| mkoderer | hopefully :) | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | okay hopefully we can fit this into the agenda there | 15:09 |
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| mkoderer | ok, so that the current state :) | 15:10 |
| bswartz | thanks | 15:10 |
| bswartz | #topic Next Manila mid-cycle | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | mkoderer: this is also you | 15:10 |
| mkoderer | and again a short update :) | 15:10 |
| mkoderer | I added this etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-n-release-midcycle | 15:10 |
| mkoderer | just wannted to see how many ppl are intressted to visit germany for a mid-cycle | 15:11 |
| mkoderer | I didn't had the time to organize more than that | 15:11 |
| dustins | mkoderer: Interest and ability are two different things :) | 15:11 |
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| dustins | I certainly would love to | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | mkoderer: is that location guaranteed if we decide to hold the meetup in Germany? | 15:11 |
| mkoderer | dustins: yeah.. ok I just wanted to see the intressed and then we can try to push for it a bit | 15:12 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: SAP HQ is guaranteed and budget is save :) | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | Frankfurt is a really easy airport to get to | 15:12 |
| bswartz | it's just the question of international travel | 15:12 |
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| dustins | I'll certainly ask the brass here to see if they're game for it | 15:13 |
| dustins | Worst they'll say is "no" :) | 15:13 |
| cknight | mkoderer: I'd love to go, so it's just a matter of getting travel budget. | 15:13 |
| bswartz | speaking for NetApp, I know there would be budget challenges, and probably no more than 2 of us could attend (more likely just 1) | 15:13 |
| tbarron | ditto | 15:13 |
| mkoderer | cknight: yeah, I hoped that we can do a mid-cycle f2f... but I know travel budget is always an issue | 15:14 |
| bswartz | it's likely that the cinder meetup could be in Dublin this summer and I'm wondering if we could arrange the Manila meetup so that I could fly straight from Frankfurt to Dublin... | 15:14 |
| bswartz | that's just my imagination though | 15:14 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: that could work.. | 15:15 |
| bswartz | okay so we can make forward progress on this, we need to gather official feedback | 15:15 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: +1 | 15:15 |
| bswartz | let's get a list of other possible locations together and make a poll | 15:15 |
| mkoderer | I will start a ML thread when I have more details | 15:15 |
| bswartz | we need to find out who would be a definite "no" and who just needs to get budget | 15:16 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: ok let me enhance the etherpad a bit :) | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I think it's important to accomodate our friends in Europe, but if the majority of the team is still US-based then it's a hard sell | 15:16 |
| bswartz | thanks for bringing this up again | 15:16 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: sure :) ok fine | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | I will try to drive a decision soon, so people have time to ask for budget and get plane tickets if we are going to do it at SAP's office | 15:17 |
| bswartz | #topic Replication + ZFS Driver | 15:17 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: +1 | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | I put my +2 on gouthamr's replication patch, because I'm finally satisfied that the ZFSonLinux (name still under debate) driver will satisfy our needs to gate test and maintain the feature | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238572/31 | 15:19 |
| bswartz | That was a major sticking point for me (and others) but I feel we've achieved a working solution | 15:19 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:19 |
| bswartz | anyone NOT content with the proposed ZFSonLinux driver as a first-party replication solution? | 15:20 |
| tbarron | i will log, as I have mentioned to you | 15:20 |
| bswartz | or are there any concerned related to gouthamr's code that need to be addressed? | 15:20 |
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| tbarron | several times, that though there isn't a problem with using | 15:20 |
| bswartz | tbarron: yeah I know the license is not the best license | 15:20 |
| dustins | tbarron: +1 | 15:20 |
| tbarron | zfs in gate, there will be a prob eventually shipping this in some distros | 15:20 |
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| tbarron | as a solution for now to the test in gate issue, no objectio | 15:21 |
| tbarron | *objection | 15:21 |
| bswartz | tbarron: the way the ZFS driver is written, you could probably just s/zfs/btrfs/ and it would still work.... | 15:21 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I'm joking of course but seriously the 2 are not so different | 15:22 |
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| tbarron | i haven't had cycles to look whether btrfs send/receive could just slide into the current code | 15:22 |
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| tbarron | (or cycles to do anything significant with manila) | 15:22 |
| * dustins adds it to "nice to do" list | 15:23 | |
| tbarron | just want to get the concern on record so people aren't surprised down the road | 15:23 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I looked a little deeper and I think the semantics of the 2 are close enough that you could swap one for the other without any logic changes | 15:23 |
| tbarron | bswartz: sounds good | 15:24 |
| bswartz | ZFS has a better reputation for not munching people's data, though, and that's what matters to me | 15:24 |
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| tbarron | as long as the orignal and replica are munched the same way, you still test that replication works :) | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | not to denigrate the btrfs implementation, but there's just not a lot of publicly available data about btrfs's reliabilty | 15:25 |
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| * tbarron isn't actually conceding btrfs 'munch' features, actually doesn't have data | 15:25 | |
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| bswartz | okay I hope we can get goutham's patch merged soon because it conflicts with a lot of things and it's better to get those merge conflicts sorted out sooner than later | 15:26 |
| bswartz | that's all I have on that topic | 15:26 |
| bswartz | #topic Driver FPF | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | the Driver proposal freeze is TODAY! | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | any drivers submitted after midnight UTC should get a -2 | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | that includes huge refactor patches and major new features that change large parts of a driver | 15:27 |
| ganso | bswartz: drivers can still submit update_access until Feb 18th? | 15:28 |
| bswartz | we agreed to this 1-week-earlier deadline at the beginning of Mitaka so we could get our driver reviews out of the way before the normal FPF next week | 15:29 |
| bswartz | ganso: yeah that's a small change | 15:29 |
| bswartz | also just to remind everyone, the FPF for all of Manila is next Thursday so get your feature patches up in gerrit, with +1 from Jenkins | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | and feature freeze itself is 3 weeks from now | 15:30 |
| bswartz | so the next 3 weeks will be a lot of work for reviewers | 15:30 |
| bswartz | and I'm hoping we can get our gate-tests moved to more stable drivers before that time | 15:31 |
| bswartz | btw there are 4 new drivers waiting to be merged that I Know of | 15:31 |
| cknight | bswartz: the gate tests must be more stable to get everything merged! | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | Ceph, Tegile, LXD, and ZFSonLinux | 15:32 |
| cknight | bswartz: the sooner we cut over to the new drivers, the better, especially given the gate crunch before M.3 | 15:32 |
| ganso | cknight: +1 | 15:32 |
| cknight | bswartz: don't forget infra has less gate headroom now | 15:32 |
| bswartz | are there any other drivers I haven't noticed? | 15:32 |
| ganso | we need to avoid another "gate hell" like last time | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279090/ | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: "Tegile" not proposed yet | 15:33 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: they have only 10 hours to make a deal | 15:33 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278169/ | 15:33 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: oh, ok, ty | 15:34 |
| bswartz | submitted tuesday | 15:34 |
| bswartz | it's has +1 from jenkins | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | and it also has CI | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: I haven't looked at the heketi thing | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | is that a major rework of glusterfs driver? | 15:35 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: saw that come in this morning.. its still WIP, csaba may be able to tell us | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | csaba: ping | 15:35 |
| csaba | bswartz: yeah it's a major enhancement | 15:36 |
| csaba | that I intend to round up till mindinght | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | csaba: okay make sure it has unit test coverage and passes tempest | 15:36 |
| bswartz | if it's done by midnight UTC it's fine | 15:36 |
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| csaba | bswartz: cool | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | csaba: will this new mode require another CI job to cover with tests? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | or changes to existing CI? | 15:37 |
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| csaba | bswartz: new CI jobs should be added to give coverage | 15:38 |
| bswartz | okay that needs to be done before we can merge | 15:38 |
| bswartz | for today just focus on code completeness so we can start reviewing | 15:38 |
| csaba | bswartz: OK | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | alright... | 15:39 |
| bswartz | #topic HDFS CI | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | I started a thread about this and immediately got some new information | 15:39 |
| bswartz | thanks rraja for trying to fix the HDFS CI | 15:39 |
| bswartz | it seems the core reviewer team for devstack-plugin-hdfs is AWOL so we cannot merge his fix | 15:40 |
| rraja | bswartz: you're welcome. vponomaryov helped out too. | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I'm trying to fix that problem | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | if we can get control of the devstack-plugin-hdfs project we can merge rraja's fix and hopefully the problem is solved | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | however, there is still the issue of a maintainer for the HDFS driver | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | someone needs to add the new update_access() implementation for it | 15:41 |
| bswartz | it probably won't be that hard | 15:41 |
| bswartz | but the original maintainers from Intel seem to have moved on to other things | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | if anyone wants to take over maintainership let me know | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | if nobody steps up, we will maintain the driver on a best-effort basis, and if that fails we may need to drop it eventually | 15:43 |
| bswartz | in the short term I think we'll be okay after we fix permissions on devstack-plugin-hdfs | 15:43 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | any other topics for today? | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i had a FPF question, if drivers pass Jenkins once, and are having failures after iterating on review comments, that's okay to keep rechecking or working on beyond midnight? | 15:44 |
| bswartz | this is the first week we had extra time! | 15:44 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: yeah the goal of FPF is to make sure the code is as done as it could be without code reviews | 15:44 |
| bswartz | this avoids wasting code reviewer's time reviewing half-baked patches | 15:45 |
| bswartz | obviously more patchsets are needed to respond to feedback | 15:45 |
| aovchinnikov | but what if Jenkins fails several times for reasons not related with code quality? | 15:45 |
| bswartz | aovchinnikov: random failures are not counted -- if it passes after a recheck (or multiple rechecks...) then it's fine | 15:46 |
| ganso | I would like to ask everyone to please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256281 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278699 (they are ready, just under "recheck hell"). | 15:47 |
| aovchinnikov | okay, so is it UTC midnight + recheck? | 15:47 |
| tpsilva | these patches from ganso are blocking the new data service, so it would be nice to get them merged | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | aovchinnikov: yeah the patch should be in gerrit by midnight and that patch has to pass jenkins, but when it passes jenkins doesn't matter | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | Would appreciate reviewer attention on Manila DR: (Core work) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238572/ (Some scheduler enhancements) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277545/ (Functional Tests) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244843/ | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | yes our review backlog is larger than ever, and we have a lot of "must merge" patches to deal with | 15:49 |
| bswartz | I look forward to lots of code reviewing in the coming weeks | 15:49 |
| dustins | If anyone knows who we can bug in the Triple-O world, I'd love some eyes on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188137/ | 15:49 |
| dustins | It's the (finally passing gate) Manila Integration into the Triple-O Heat Templates | 15:49 |
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| gouthamr | dustins: nice.. | 15:50 |
| bswartz | thanks dustins for getting that fixed finally | 15:50 |
| bswartz | my own efforts to rebase that patch probably screwed it up | 15:50 |
| dustins | No problem, just don't direct Triple-O questions my way :P | 15:50 |
| bswartz | dustins: you just want to find the core team for that project | 15:51 |
| cknight | bswartz: current merge rate is too slow to get everything in. we must have the gate issues resolved with the new drivers asap. | 15:51 |
| bswartz | dustins: any triple-O related requests will be accompanied by all the whiskey you can drink | 15:51 |
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| dustins | Well, when you put it that way... | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I hear it helps.... | 15:52 |
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| dustins | I'll hit you up on that in Austin :) | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | cknight: that's a good point | 15:52 |
| cknight | bswartz: how close is the LXD driver to merging? | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | it's still essential that we make LVM voting and that we get LXD merged and proven stable so we can make it voting too | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: ask aovchinnikov about it | 15:53 |
| bswartz | the sooner the better | 15:53 |
| cknight | bswartz: LVM running with concurrency = 1 seems stable. We could make that voting now. | 15:53 |
| bswartz | oh yes | 15:53 |
| cknight | bswartz: We got 6 clean runs in a row that way. | 15:53 |
| aovchinnikov | cknight: LXD still needs some polishing | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | I conducted an experiment that shows concurrency=1 is no slower than concurrency=8 with the LVM driver | 15:53 |
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| aovchinnikov | in the sence of making CI happy with it | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | ZFS driver more stable than LVM | 15:54 |
| bswartz | and due to apparent concurrency bugs in tempest itself (related to cleanup) concurrency=1 will pass more repliably | 15:54 |
| ganso | I want to make migration work on LVM | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: do you have a doc on how to setup and test the ZFSonLinux driver? | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: not yet | 15:54 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: ask me, I've done it | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: do you? | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | lol | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: you can look at devstack for steps | 15:54 |
| bswartz | it's also SUPER easy | 15:54 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: really? when do we add ZFS to the gate jobs? | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | cknight: lol | 15:55 |
| bswartz | all in good time... | 15:55 |
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| vponomaryov | cknight: we have experimentla jobs that passes | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | s/jobs/job/ | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: that job still uses FUSE though right? | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | let's get that switched to native | 15:56 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes, for the moment | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: but it makes no diff for stability in gates | 15:56 |
| cknight | OK. I'm just saying that if the constant rechecks continue much longer, we will not get everything merged that we want to. We have to switch asap. | 15:56 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: yes but it makes it hard to test in my dev env | 15:56 |
| bswartz | I don't want to install the fuse version in my dev setup | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: you do not need | 15:57 |
| cfouts | cknight +1 | 15:57 |
| bswartz | cknight +1 | 15:57 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: both work now | 15:57 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: oh that's excellent I will try it again before lunch | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | alright that's it for today | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 11 15:58:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-02-11-15.01.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-02-11-15.01.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-02-11-15.01.log.html | 15:58 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 11 16:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:00 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
| rlu | hi | 16:00 |
| rmoe_ | hi | 16:00 |
| mattymo | hi | 16:00 |
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| akasatkin | hi | 16:00 |
| kozhukal` | hi | 16:00 |
| dguryanov | hi | 16:01 |
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| fzhadaev_ | Hi! | 16:01 |
| xarses | #topic action items from last meeting | 16:01 |
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| SheenaG | o/ | 16:01 |
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| xarses | maximov to coordinate with other teams and find a volunteer for puppet-openstack noop job | 16:01 |
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| xarses | xarses will bring up viability of version information (was version.yaml) for environment triage | 16:02 |
| angdraug | \o | 16:02 |
| xarses | this is not done, I will try to get to it shortly | 16:03 |
| ogelbukh | o/ | 16:03 |
| xarses | xarses to create thread over QEMU/KVM on ML | 16:03 |
| xarses | same =( | 16:03 |
| * xarses feels the shame | 16:03 | |
| xarses | back to our regularly scheduled program | 16:03 |
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| xarses | #topic Fuel CI for puppet-openstack (igorbelikov) | 16:03 |
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| igorbelikov | hey folks | 16:04 |
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| igorbelikov | 1) Deployment jobs for puppet-openstack modules testing | 16:04 |
| igorbelikov | #link https://ci.fuel-infra.org/view/puppet-openstack/ | 16:04 |
| igorbelikov | Test cases copy existing ones for fuel-library and share the same product ISO, which is still Liberty for the moment | 16:04 |
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| igorbelikov | Can be switched to Mitaka ISO (which doesn't pass BVT yet), but I'd really love to use Community ISO for this | 16:04 |
| igorbelikov | If there are any reasons not to use Community ISO for puppet-openstack CI - I'd like to hear them | 16:04 |
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| igorbelikov | 2) Custom test jobs to reproduce failures and get access to debug environments | 16:04 |
| igorbelikov | Custom test jobs are still WIP, expected to launch in the next couple of days | 16:04 |
| igorbelikov | Reproducing CI failures for puppet-openstack tests will be as easy as just pointing the job to Fuel CI build artifacts | 16:04 |
| angdraug | can't be any good reason not to use community iso | 16:05 |
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| igorbelikov | angdraug: that's my thoughts, and everyone will benefit from more test coverage of community iso | 16:05 |
| igorbelikov | 3) Plan for the further actions: | 16:05 |
| igorbelikov | a) Switch to Mitaka-based ISO | 16:05 |
| igorbelikov | b) Sync fuel-library to HEADs of puppet-openstack modules, fix existing issues and get green builds | 16:05 |
| igorbelikov | degorenko, IvanBerezovskiy - any comments on this? ^ | 16:05 |
| igorbelikov | c) Enable Fuel CI in non-voting mode for every commit to puppet-openstack modules | 16:05 |
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| igorbelikov | that's the end of my paste, questions? | 16:06 |
| xarses | igorbelikov: just the ones we use right? | 16:06 |
| igorbelikov | xarses: yeah, you're right | 16:07 |
| xarses | we will take account to configure the module as part of the test, or just turn everything on? | 16:07 |
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| xarses | like murano or similar | 16:07 |
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| angdraug | xarses: please explain | 16:07 |
| xarses | murano is a setting option that is off by default | 16:08 |
| xarses | should we test changes to puppet-murano? | 16:08 |
| igorbelikov | xarses: can be specific test cases for each module, but initial plan is use the same ones we use for fuel-library | 16:08 |
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| xarses | do we turn it on for that test? or have it on for all | 16:08 |
| angdraug | good question | 16:08 |
| xarses | do we even have functional tests for murano | 16:08 |
| xarses | in a job to use | 16:09 |
| angdraug | ostf tests murano, but the test is heavy, that's why it's off by default | 16:09 |
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| angdraug | which leads me to conclude that we should only enable it when testing puppet-murano | 16:09 |
| igorbelikov | I'll draft a spec with a section about module-testcase mapping, I suppose it will be the best way to settle this | 16:10 |
| xarses | ok, for now I think we only vote on the core modules that are easily left on | 16:11 |
| xarses | and follow up with the outliers | 16:11 |
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| xarses | thanks igorbelikov this will be great to have | 16:11 |
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| xarses | anything else? | 16:11 |
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| igorbelikov | that's all from my side | 16:12 |
| xarses | #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh) | 16:12 |
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| vkramskikh | Hi! Here is our status for 9.0 features: | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | 1) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/remove-vendor-code - the removal request is ready: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276279/ ; but we agreed not to merge it until we got first workong ISO built from downstream | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | 2) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/redesign-of-node-roles-panel - mostly merged, some minor fixes are going to land soon | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | 3) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/network-requirements-popup - implementation described in spec is merged, but there are some discussion in the spec | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | 4) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/node-display-ip-address - implemented | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | 5) Ability to show all network groups - part of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/multirack-in-fuel-ui which wasn't done in 8.0 - good progress, going to land this or the next week | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | 6) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/allow-choosing-nodes-for-provisioning-and-deployment - design is in progress | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | 7) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/separate-fuel-ui-repo - slow progress, currently trying to make a separate test runner using test runner tools: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276814/ | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | 8) NFV stuff - design is finalized, implementation has been strted | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | Questions? | 16:12 |
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| mihgen | vkramskikh: thanks, can you update status of blueprints pls? | 16:13 |
| vkramskikh | ok | 16:13 |
| mihgen | those which are implemented especially :) | 16:13 |
| vkramskikh | that's all from my side | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | regarding to 7) we are waiting for postgres access on fuel-web ci slaves | 16:14 |
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| kozhukalov | gonna be done on Monday | 16:15 |
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| angdraug | thanks vkramskikh kozhukalov, lets move on? | 16:16 |
| vkramskikh | yep | 16:16 |
| xarses | #topic Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) | 16:16 |
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| fzhadaev_ | Hi all. | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev_ | For now, Telco team has three main activities for 9.0: | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev_ | 1 Support NFV features: | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev_ | 1.1 Huge pages [1] - spec is on review | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev_ | 1.2 NUMA/CPU pinning [2] - spec is on review | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev_ | At the moment main concerns were resolved and we hope to merge them soon. | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev_ | 2 Daemon Resource Allocation Control [3] | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev_ | Spec is in progress | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev_ | 3 Removing Mirantis-specific code from fuel code | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev_ | Work in progress some patches are on review. Waiting for working ISO from downstream. | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev_ | [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-hugepages | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev_ | [2] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-numa-cpu-pinning | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev_ | [3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/cgroups | 16:17 |
| fzhadaev_ | Do you have any questions? | 16:17 |
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| xarses | fzhadaev_: have we taken into account that we may want to use some of the cgroups stuff to controll processes we install on the nodes? | 16:18 |
| xarses | at a later point | 16:18 |
| xarses | ie isolate ceph/ceph-mon/mongo... | 16:18 |
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| fzhadaev_ | xarses, design is in progress. you may get more info from spec :) | 16:19 |
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| xarses | k, thanks | 16:19 |
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| xarses | fzhadaev_: can you set the spec link in the bp? | 16:19 |
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| fzhadaev_ | Oh, i'll do it. Sure | 16:20 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:20 |
| fzhadaev_ | xarses, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278426 | 16:20 |
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| xarses | thanks | 16:21 |
| xarses | #topic Enhancements Team status (ashtokolov) | 16:21 |
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| ashtokolov | 1. Task Based Deployment with Astute v1 (production ready) - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/enable-task-based-deployment in progress | 16:21 |
| ashtokolov | 2. Unlock "Setting" tab and rerun deployment Tasks in post-deployment - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/unlock-settings-tab in design | 16:21 |
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| ashtokolov | 3. Stop/Restart deployment w/o environment reset - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/graceful-stop-restart-deployment on review | 16:21 |
| ashtokolov | 4. Deployment Tasks idempotence with Fuel Mixed Team https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/granular-task-idempotency https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/granular-task-ensurability WIP | 16:21 |
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| ashtokolov | 5. Fixing backend bugs to unlock Separated deployment/provisioning of nodes on UI https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/specify-nodes-for-provisioning-and-deployment-in-ui on review | 16:22 |
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| angdraug | any blockers? | 16:22 |
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| angdraug | if not, lets move on | 16:23 |
| ashtokolov | Unlock "Setting" tab is probably blocked by ConfigDB | 16:23 |
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| ashtokolov | we schedeled a meeting with Yuri Taraday to discuss it | 16:24 |
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| ashtokolov | move on? | 16:24 |
| angdraug | yup | 16:25 |
| xarses | #topic Mixed Team Status (rlu/mrelewicz) | 16:25 |
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| rlu | Mixed team is working on two features | 16:25 |
| rlu | first: multipath support for FC for MOS nodes | 16:25 |
| rlu | More info you can find in blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/multipath-disks-support | 16:25 |
| rlu | second: granular task idempotency, We have already selected problematic granular tasks, and we are trying to fix it, about 14 tasks has patches in review. already | 16:25 |
| rlu | Do you have any questions? | 16:25 |
| mihgen | is there any CI in plans to ensure idempotency.. ? | 16:25 |
| mihgen | so that if we fix it, we don't regress later.. | 16:26 |
| xarses | multipatch for FC? | 16:26 |
| mihgen | xarses: for idempotancy | 16:26 |
| rlu | yes, we talk about ci, we have plan to do it | 16:26 |
| mihgen | xarses: sorry misread | 16:26 |
| xarses | are we not dealing with multipatch for iSCSI ? just the FC HBA? | 16:27 |
| mihgen | rlu: whom do you guys sync with on this matter? | 16:27 |
| mwhahaha | currently there are two patches to astute to start reporting information that can be used in a CI | 16:27 |
| mwhahaha | for idempotency | 16:27 |
| mwhahaha | i'm looking into a way to have something in the qa test framework to be able to report on this perhaps in swarm | 16:27 |
| rlu | we start with FC, because is eisuer ti implement | 16:27 |
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| mihgen | mwhahaha: why not on gating? | 16:28 |
| mwhahaha | takes too long | 16:28 |
| mwhahaha | we have to double run deployments | 16:28 |
| mwhahaha | to capture this information | 16:28 |
| mwhahaha | in the long term if we can refactor our tasks to be normal puppet classes then we could use beaker or something | 16:28 |
| mihgen | qa is gonna be busy till FF, so may be we would need to help them with writing such tests.. | 16:28 |
| rlu | about ci - we were talk on our sync-up, on Monday about | 16:28 |
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| mwhahaha | but currently we are relying on the deployment to capture the change information so to find out if something is truely idempotent we need to double run the deployments | 16:29 |
| mwhahaha | which can take 2+ hours | 16:29 |
| mihgen | got you | 16:29 |
| mwhahaha | and we don't check sahara,etc by default | 16:29 |
| rlu | mwhahaha: tomorrow we have sync too, I can invite you, we can talk about it | 16:30 |
| mwhahaha | sure | 16:30 |
| xarses | moving? | 16:30 |
| xarses | #topic Bugs team status (dpyzhov) | 16:31 |
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| dpyzhov | hi guys | 16:31 |
| dpyzhov | right now we have small income of bugs for 8.0 | 16:31 |
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| dpyzhov | so team is focused on 9.0 | 16:31 |
| mattymo | +1 low bugs :D | 16:31 |
| dpyzhov | Right now we working on bugs retriaging | 16:31 |
| dpyzhov | we have only 54 bugs in library | 16:32 |
| dpyzhov | and 137 bugs in python | 16:32 |
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| dpyzhov | I'm not sure how much time will take to fix them | 16:32 |
| dpyzhov | we need to complete retriage first | 16:32 |
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| dpyzhov | some bugs will disappear with new features | 16:32 |
| dpyzhov | some bugs are duplicates | 16:32 |
| dpyzhov | I'd say that we are green in library | 16:33 |
| dpyzhov | and in yellow state for python | 16:33 |
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| dpyzhov | for high priority we are have almost the same number of bugs in python and library | 16:34 |
| dpyzhov | 24 in python and 17 in library | 16:34 |
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| dpyzhov | that's all from my side | 16:34 |
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| dpyzhov | any questions? | 16:34 |
| angdraug | sounds good for 3 weeks before 9.0 FF :D | 16:34 |
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| dpyzhov | yep, it looks like most of medium bugs in python will be moved to 10.0 | 16:35 |
| xarses | moving? | 16:36 |
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| xarses | #topic Build team status (kozhukalov) | 16:36 |
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| kozhukalov | 1) Docker removal: | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | all patches have been merged | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | still there some patches on review that backport | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | those changes that had been made in nailgun module | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | by the time of merge party on Monday | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | 2) Centos bootstrap removal: | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | all patches have been merged | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | ISO build now takes about 7 minutes (make -j10) | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | gonna become even faster | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | Product ISO job takes about 13 minutes (single thread) | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | Now we don't have any late packages and we are ready for the next huge step | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | We are getting rid of building rpm/deb packages together with ISO | 16:37 |
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| kozhukalov | and instead we will download them from packaging CI using packetary | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | That is going to make build process fully data driven and | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | more flexible (e.g. mix custom repos). | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | 3) Separating of the master node provisioning/deployment | 16:37 |
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| kozhukalov | Please help to review this spec | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254270/ | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | it is absolutely necessary to merge this feature in 9.0 | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | There is POC and Vitary Parakhin is working on making it happened. | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | 16:37 | |
| kozhukalov | that is it | 16:37 |
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| angdraug | 7 minutes!!! | 16:37 |
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| kozhukalov | -j10 | 16:38 |
| angdraug | should we use -j10 everywhere? | 16:38 |
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| kozhukalov | i mean make -j10 | 16:38 |
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| kozhukalov | there is no need to use it everwhere | 16:38 |
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| kozhukalov | 15 minutes is ok | 16:39 |
| xarses | angdraug: yes lets make -j10 fuel --env 1 deploy-changes =) | 16:39 |
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| mattymo | It's bad on envs with small memory or cpu (like small vms) | 16:39 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov: great progress guys. I assume there will be large portion of work on QA side if we get rid of ISO.. ? | 16:39 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen: maybe | 16:40 |
| kozhukalov | yes, it is our dream | 16:40 |
| kozhukalov | to get rid of iso | 16:40 |
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| xarses | ++ | 16:40 |
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| xarses | moving? | 16:40 |
| kozhukalov | yes | 16:40 |
| xarses | #topic UCA Mitaka status (mattymo) | 16:40 |
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| mattymo | UCA mitaka is currently stalled a bit due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1544505 | 16:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1544505 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "plugin metadata is broken" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ilya Kutukov (ikutukov) | 16:41 |
| mattymo | There are Fuel mitaka packages on the way, but I'm not fully apprised of that situation. There's some naming concerns, but I think mos-packaging team will handle it. | 16:41 |
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| mattymo | I've got a rewrite of fuel-plugin-upstream ready to submit as soon as LP#1544505 is fixed and I can do a quick test. | 16:41 |
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| mattymo | The next stage is to get UCA support fully integrated into Fuel for 9.0 release. I hope I can get that done around Monday. | 16:42 |
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| mattymo | One other item I should mention is zigo requested support for debian trusty-backports. It requires no extra effort (except for another item choice and URL field) - so I've also got that working in my tests | 16:42 |
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| mattymo | and it means 1 more possible deployment option | 16:42 |
| mihgen | what about extending current list of releases with UCA one, so users who take Fuel can just choose UCA in dropdown? | 16:43 |
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| ikutukov | working on 1544505, ETA - tomorrow (12/02/2016) | 16:43 |
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| mattymo | mihgen, we _can_ do that, but it's just a lot of duplication of the existing fuel release | 16:43 |
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| mattymo | it's exactly the same fuel with 1 repo added, 3 apt package pins, and changing the os_package_type fact | 16:44 |
| mihgen | it's yaml, you should not duplicate the whole thing | 16:44 |
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| xarses | mattymo: I thought all we needed to do was use the anchor and change what we want | 16:44 |
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| mihgen | can we do magic in there and refer to the original release, with override of a just a few things in there which you've mentioned? | 16:44 |
| mattymo | it's 150 lines of yaml | 16:45 |
| mwhahaha_ | shouldn't need to duplicate the release, we should just be able to add in a configuration item for the package type & repos | 16:45 |
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| mattymo | yeah just a simple UI addition to change where openstack packages come from | 16:45 |
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| zigo | I really would like this to happen. | 16:45 |
| mihgen | not a UI. yaml please | 16:45 |
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| angdraug | debian trusty backports work just like that? wow, nice ) | 16:45 |
| mattymo | mihgen, why? | 16:46 |
| mattymo | the ui is yaml too | 16:46 |
| zigo | The issue is that Fuel 9.0 is still using liberty, right? | 16:46 |
| mattymo | it's actually going to go in the _same_ yaml file | 16:46 |
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| mihgen | if so, then I'm fine. I'm against of hacking JS if we can change yanml | 16:46 |
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| mattymo | 150 lines duplicated in openstack yaml or 15 lines of UI elements defined in openstack.yaml | 16:46 |
| zigo | The Liberty puppet stuff will *not* handle my package correctly, they do not have the necessary patches. | 16:46 |
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| mihgen | I don't care, but get me another release with UCA please! ;) | 16:46 |
| zigo | Though I could patch them, and include that in the packages I did for puppet-openstack. | 16:47 |
| angdraug | zigo: that's what we're trying to fix here | 16:47 |
| zigo | It's a simple backport of like 3 or 4 patches. | 16:47 |
| angdraug | zigo: I mean fix using mitaka, not liberty | 16:47 |
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| zigo | angdraug: Mitaka puppet-openstack is already fully working with my packages normally. | 16:47 |
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| zigo | Out of the box... | 16:47 |
| mattymo | so please keep this on your radar, mihgen angdraug "<ikutukov> working on 1544505, ETA - tomorrow (12/02/2016)" | 16:47 |
| mattymo | ^ all plugins can't serialize data at the moment | 16:48 |
| zigo | When is it planned to have Fuel 9 to start using Mitaka packages? It becomes urgent to start doing it. | 16:48 |
| angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1544505 | 16:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1544505 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "plugin metadata is broken" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ilya Kutukov (ikutukov) | 16:48 |
| angdraug | ...for the record | 16:48 |
| mattymo | zigo, very soon | 16:48 |
| mattymo | that's it for me, by the way | 16:49 |
| angdraug | based on the bug ^ remaining the only blocker, could be Monday | 16:49 |
| zigo | Cool. | 16:49 |
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| xarses | moving? | 16:49 |
| xarses | #topic Octane team status (ogelbukh) | 16:50 |
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| ogelbukh | we're in QA/bugfix stage for backup/restore in fuel-octane | 16:50 |
| ogelbukh | the upgrade feature spec finally landed | 16:51 |
| angdraug | how many bugs in it have you found so far? | 16:51 |
| ogelbukh | about 10 | 16:51 |
| ogelbukh | some broken manifests with no idempotency | 16:52 |
| ogelbukh | had to work around it | 16:52 |
| ogelbukh | one minor issue with cluster metadata (ui part0 | 16:52 |
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| angdraug | doesn't sound too bad | 16:52 |
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| ogelbukh | we also have a regression/bug for 7.0 version | 16:53 |
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| ogelbukh | network downtime for workloads during upgrade of primary controller | 16:53 |
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| ogelbukh | investigating that | 16:53 |
| ogelbukh | most likely some corosync preparations needed | 16:53 |
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| ogelbukh | before bringing down a node for reinstall | 16:53 |
| ogelbukh | more or less, that's it | 16:54 |
| angdraug | thanks | 16:54 |
| angdraug | lets move on to the last topic in the agenda | 16:54 |
| xarses | #topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1544109 - how do we fix in stable/8.0 (mihgen) | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1544109 in Fuel for OpenStack "Horizon ssl support error. Unable to connect after deploy." [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Fuel UI Team (fuel-ui) | 16:54 |
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| mihgen | just wanted to hear your opinion folks on how do we fix this critical in 8.0 | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | https://review.openstack.org/279063 seems to be too risky for 8.0 | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | so my proposal is just to lock UI to have SSL configured for both REST API & Horizon at the same time | 16:55 |
| mihgen | (bug is about if Horizon SSL only is enabled, deploy fails) | 16:56 |
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| xarses | why do both have to be configured? | 16:56 |
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| xarses | it seems we just forgot to configure haproxy for horizon correctly | 16:56 |
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| angdraug | sbog: around? can you comment? | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | holser? | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | vkramskikh: would UI change be complicated if we take this route? | 16:57 |
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| xarses | but yea, We can drop the priority, if we lockout/remove the granular ssl selection | 16:57 |
| mihgen | I hope it's just yaml config | 16:57 |
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| xarses | has anyone confirmed that if both are on, it's setup correctly? | 16:58 |
| mihgen | nurla says so | 16:58 |
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| xarses | we should be able make horizon ssl require the other to be enabled in config then | 16:59 |
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| xarses | ok, we are out of time | 16:59 |
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| xarses | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 11 17:00:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-02-11-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-02-11-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-02-11-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 11 17:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak1 | o/ | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | #chair tmcpeak1 | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak1 | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | Yo | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak1 | good morning | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | Isn’t is just :) | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak1 | :# | 17:00 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | I’ve got an agenda up here | 17:01 |
| elmiko | hi | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160211-agenda | 17:01 |
| cjschaef | hi | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160211-agenda | 17:01 |
| LHinds | Hi! | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak1 | he all | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak1 | *hey | 17:01 |
| bknudson_ | hi | 17:01 |
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| browne | hi | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, so I thought we’d start by going through the actions | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Actions from previous meeting | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | hi | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak1 | seems legit | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | I was supposed to put together a byok spec and propose it on -dev | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | I haven’t but I will | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Hopefully before I go on vacation (in about two hours). | 17:03 |
| elmiko | i took a look at anchor, messed around with it. i have a few questions, but i think the time to iterate on anchor designs may have passed =( | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak1 | no vacation without seagulling | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | lol, it may have done but there’s versioning in the API now :) | 17:04 |
| bknudson_ | don't look up seagulling on urban dictionary | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | haha | 17:04 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:04 |
| bknudson_ | actually, don't look up anything on urban dictionary | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | The other task I had was to write up a blog post, that’s on it’s way | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://github.com/openstack-security/openstack-security.github.io/blob/7b63114c705d63a6f56f3d1f342ecde966a1c4c4/_posts/2016-02-07-anchorTA.markdown | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | #link http://bit.ly/1SjDuzc | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak1 | woah man, urban dictionary | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | I’m hoping to finish that during my vacation | 17:06 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok I guess we’ll roll on with the agenda. Please add things to it or -1 next to things you don’t think we need to talk about this week #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160211-agenda | 17:07 |
| dg__ | vacation lol | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277765 | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | So Anchor is getting pretty damned close to what we’ll call feature complete | 17:07 |
| dg__ | yay | 17:07 |
| elmiko | can i ask an anchor design q here? | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak1 | woot | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Supports CMC for CSR submission and PKCS11 for backend signing | 17:08 |
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| tkelsey | o/ sorry im kate | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | *late | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak1 | hi Kate | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: sure | 17:08 |
| elmiko | so, why the use of forms data on the /sign endpoint instead of a json payload? | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | What would the advantage of a json payload be? | 17:09 |
| elmiko | imo, just make a more consistent rest interface | 17:09 |
| elmiko | i'm not aware of a technical merit to either approach | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Interesting. I think because the data format is so static we didn’t need one that was self describing | 17:10 |
| dg__ | what do you mean by a forms data? | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | POST thing=x&thing2=y | 17:10 |
| elmiko | well, in the sign controller all the data is parsed from pecan.request.POST... | 17:10 |
| dg__ | yeah | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak1 | hey sigma | 17:10 |
| elmiko | my understanding is that those values are pulled from a POST form data, is that not accurate? | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah that’s correct | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | I think the confusion was around the use of the word ‘form’ rather than just POST parameters | 17:11 |
| elmiko | ah, sorry | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | i have no idea which is the correct term | 17:11 |
| * hyakuhei doesn’t do “web things” :P | 17:11 | |
| bknudson_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent-encoding#The_application.2Fx-www-form-urlencoded_type | 17:11 |
| elmiko | mind you, these aren't knocks on the design. i'm just curious to learn the engineering history here | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | simplest path | 17:12 |
| elmiko | thanks bknudson_ | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | We didn’t really have a format that was going to change much | 17:12 |
| bknudson_ | web libraries can typically handle form encoding or JSON | 17:12 |
| * sigmavirus24 agrees with bknudson_ and elmiko | 17:12 | |
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| dg__ | theres no reason that you couldnt add a patch to support json too elmiko | 17:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | Has anyone from anchor looked at the API-WG materials? | 17:12 |
| bknudson_ | I'd prefer JSON over form encoding just because JSON is the openstack standard. | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | JSON is probably more elegant but the interface is so short I’m not sure it matters that much today. | 17:13 |
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| elmiko | hyakuhei: i think the main thing that caught my eyes was how anchor is approching the restful service from a different angle than most other openstack services | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | That’s a fair point | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | We can make it more iodiomatic of OpenStack | 17:13 |
| elmiko | in that respect, it sits outside of the api conventions we are attempting to create for the community | 17:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | hyakuhei: also, if there are encoding issues, they *can* be handled in query parameters like that but those will be exponentially simpler in JSON | 17:13 |
| dg__ | given its two or three fields, json feels like its a bunch more complexity to add | 17:13 |
| elmiko | fair | 17:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | I assume all testing on Anchor has been done with relatively ASCII character set | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | That seems likely though the bulk of the data that gets sent is PEM encoded anyway. | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | One of the requirements was that a simple web cli tool like curl can be used to push-fetch certificates | 17:15 |
| elmiko | ok, sorry to derail. but that was the extent of my investigations. i did start to generate a swagger doc for anchor, but i got caught up on the endpoint description details | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | In some cases an anchor client may be a very small, very dumb device | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | No it’s good discussion | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | and I’m happy to have it | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | Thank you for taking a look elmiko | 17:15 |
| elmiko | imo, if this is to be an *openstack* service, it might be worthwhile to hack it closer to the guidelines before cutting 1.0 | 17:15 |
| elmiko | and, i'd be willing to help, but only if the team is interested in that | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | That’s good advice elmiko | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak1 | +1 | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | The concern I have is that it adds complexity and client requirements btu it’s worth looking into | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak1 | JSON is stdlib | 17:17 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: agreed, maybe i should pow-wow some other time with the anchor team? | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak1 | shouldn't add client requirements | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | what? | 17:17 |
| dg__ | tmcpeak1 yes, but currently you can curl a crl to it using cron | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | we’re not talking about a python client | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak1 | ahh ok, my bad | 17:17 |
| elmiko | dg__: yea, and that's a good point about interactivity | 17:17 |
| ccneill | o/ sorry I'm late | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak1 | gotcha, ok I'm back on board | 17:18 |
| elmiko | adding a json payload makes the curl usage more complicated, but not impossible | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | sure | 17:18 |
| elmiko | anyways, thanks for hearing me out =) | 17:18 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | So the concern I have is that we _might _ be making something more complicated to make it more openstack. | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | ^ makes me feel dirty. | 17:18 |
| dg__ | +1 | 17:18 |
| elmiko | yup, understood | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | However, I can see the upsides too | 17:18 |
| dg__ | moar openstacks? | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak1 | I'd say JSON is fairly standard even outside of OpenStack though | 17:19 |
| LHinds | is it likely to need to be extended much (beyond the two POST elements?) | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | So we should talk about it, might be that we throw in a json option as an addition | 17:19 |
| dg__ | its useful feedback thou elmiko, im concious of the point redrobot made about not adding more certificate APIs | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | So existing POST data would work, or you could just swappout the parameters with json | 17:19 |
| bknudson_ | application should set Content-Type so your app could support both pretty easy | 17:19 |
| dg__ | LHinds its been quite static for the last 18months | 17:19 |
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| elmiko | that's the other issue i had too, i don't like the POST to sign methodology, but that's more to do with rest purity than anything ;P | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | dg__: that’s a good point too | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | bknudson_: +1 | 17:20 |
| elmiko | bknudson_: +1 | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: oh we had a big conversation about that | 17:20 |
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| elmiko | i'm sure, it's a tough case design-wise | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | I think we went with POST because it affects a change on the server side. | 17:20 |
| elmiko | dg__: yea, and i really apologize for showing up to the party so late | 17:20 |
| * elmiko feels bad | 17:20 | |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: no this is really good! | 17:20 |
| dg__ | elmiko seriously its great feedback | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Nothing worse than working on something that no one looks at! | 17:21 |
| dg__ | i mean you need to work a little harder to convince me, but its really useful | 17:21 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: yea, i think you went with a pretty standard pattern, it's just one of those big rest code-smells | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | I’d like to understand more about that but we should probably move on for now | 17:21 |
| elmiko | imo, the "resource" that anchor is using are "signings" | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | #topic killick | 17:21 |
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| dg__ | part of the reason I am happy with it in its current state is I have extensively admin'd ADCS PKIs, and this is a simpler distillation of that | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak1 | I believe we skipped publicity too | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Oh look dg__ it’s a web PKI thing | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak1 | although probably not much to say | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah we did | 17:22 |
| elmiko | dg__: fair, and that's an area i lack experience with | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | s/we/I/ | 17:22 |
| dg__ | hyakuhei yay! | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak1 | that's ok, not much going on there | 17:22 |
| dg__ | ok, killick? | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | yus | 17:23 |
| dg__ | so it now issues certs using the latest anchor (as of yesterday anyway) and generates CRLs | 17:23 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: i'll make a more indepth post to the ml, hopefully kick some ideas around | 17:23 |
| dg__ | elmiko wont like the api | 17:23 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:23 |
| dg__ | elmiko please do | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks elmiko | 17:23 |
| elmiko | should i take a gander at killick too? ;) | 17:24 |
| dg__ | killick interface is super simple, curl http://0.0.0.0:5000/v1/list/, curl http://0.0.0.0:5000/v1/admin/issue/7, curl http://0.0.0.0:5000/v1/crl | 17:24 |
| dg__ | etc | 17:24 |
| dg__ | heh yeah, but please bear in mind that killick is massively work in progress, like we are still arguing over wether we need it at all, and I wrote most of it on a plane | 17:24 |
| elmiko | ah ok | 17:25 |
| elmiko | why the curl love, httpie so much better XD | 17:25 |
| dg__ | like hyakuhei, i dont know web stuff | 17:25 |
| dg__ | but will look | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak1 | dg__: where do you want Killick to go? | 17:25 |
| elmiko | well that and like every system has curl | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak1 | what's the grand vision? | 17:26 |
| dg__ | tmcpeak1 the intention is to provide a super lightweight, super simple alternative to ADCS/Dogtag, for delivering a PKI for your cloud infrastructure | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | “Traditional” Pure-Python CA. | 17:26 |
| dg__ | with the added bonus that it will do automatic certificate policy enforcement, to make life easier for your poor PKI-admin | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | But with some Anchor smarts in the backend for making automated issuing / recommendations | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | That right ? | 17:27 |
| dg__ | ^^that | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak1 | writing a CA sounds hard | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak1 | are there lots of cryptos involved? | 17:27 |
| dg__ | nah, we already did that for anchor | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak1 | I guess you just need do interface with a secret store somewhere | 17:27 |
| dg__ | from anchor import pki :) | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak1 | *to | 17:27 |
| dg__ | yeh | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak1 | gotcha | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak1 | so Killick requires Anchor? | 17:27 |
| dg__ | yeah | 17:27 |
| dg__ | this is the main reason I want anchor 1.0 out the door and on pypi | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak1 | gotcha | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak1 | what other requirements? | 17:28 |
| dg__ | cryptography.io | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak1 | so is the idea to throw it in a container or something? | 17:28 |
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| dg__ | unlikely, production pki on containers seems like a bad plan | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak1 | fair point | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak1 | I assume a CA should have been vetted somehow too, right? | 17:29 |
| elmiko | so... unikernel then? | 17:29 |
| elmiko | ;P | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | I actually think there’s a really interesting design pattern for that | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | If you front load AuthN to a more static service | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak1 | such as? | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | you could have PKI run as a micro service | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | after auth N | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak1 | I mean are you going to have plugins for all the AuthN bits? | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | It’s something I’m kicking around in my head at the moment | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak1 | cool, fair enough | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak1 | so take make this a thing what are next steps | 17:31 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: are you talking about authN-less PKI for trusted sources inside a network? | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | but there’s some nice methods you can use to reduce attack surface | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak1 | I think you had some discussion on ML a while back yeah? how did that go? | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | if you consider some function of surface .vs. time(exposure) etc | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | oh yeah, back to killick :) | 17:31 |
| dg__ | heh so yeah thats where killick is | 17:32 |
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| dg__ | this week i have added the CRL functionality, but im not 100% convinced its working properly | 17:32 |
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| dg__ | turns out its quite tricky to test revocation because its so hideously broken | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | hah | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak1 | dg__: where is this? github? | 17:32 |
| dg__ | yeah | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | linky | 17:33 |
| LHinds | https://github.com/openstack-security/killick | 17:33 |
| LHinds | (i think / hope) | 17:33 |
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| dg__ | you guys are quick! | 17:33 |
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| dg__ | LHinds thanks | 17:33 |
| LHinds | I was just having a read :) | 17:33 |
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| tmcpeak1 | sweet | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, what’s up next | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak1 | is this still a holy-war with DogTag? | 17:34 |
| * elmiko grabs axe | 17:34 | |
| tmcpeak1 | lol | 17:34 |
| dg__ | tmcpeak1 always | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak1 | allright, fair enough | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | dg__: redrobot fight! | 17:34 |
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| dg__ | ok anything else to cover on killick? In summary, it kinda works, its nicer than ADCS and its horribly WIP and needs Auth, a sensible database and lots and lots of tests | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak1 | probably not much to say for security ansible now? | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | dg__: AuthN or AuthZ or both? | 17:35 |
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| hyakuhei | dunno | 17:35 |
| dg__ | both | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | mhayden: You about? | 17:36 |
| mhayden | hyakuhei: in a meeting for the moment | 17:36 |
| dg__ | i think we want the following schemes: | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | no worries, thanks | 17:36 |
| dg__ | admin [single user|keystone|ldap] | 17:36 |
| dg__ | user [none|single user|keystone|ldap] | 17:36 |
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| LHinds | may i ask a quick Q about security ansible? | 17:37 |
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| tmcpeak1 | LHinds: fire away | 17:38 |
| dg__ | go ahead | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Sure, that’s mainly mhayden s thing but we’ll try | 17:38 |
| bknudson_ | keystone can be backed by ldap | 17:38 |
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| dg__ | bknudson yeah, but im thinking we may want this in places where there is no keystone | 17:38 |
| LHinds | is this playbook writing, or developing modules? I guess a better question would be, where should I go read about the scope? | 17:38 |
| LHinds | been doing a fair amount on ansible, so thinking if anything could be used | 17:39 |
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| tmcpeak1 | LHinds: it's been mostly (entirely) playbook writing until now | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak1 | I don't believe any custom modules have been implemented | 17:39 |
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| tmcpeak1 | I think they have pretty good docs on the repo | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak1 | #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-security | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:40 |
| LHinds | tmcpeak1, thanks, will have a look | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak1 | sounds good | 17:40 |
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| * redrobot pokes head in | 17:41 | |
| dg__ | hey redrobot | 17:41 |
| redrobot | totally missed my meeting alarm | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:41 |
| redrobot | dg__ what are we fighting about? Killick some more? ;) | 17:41 |
| dg__ | you missed the part where elmiko suggested we create yet another pki API.... | 17:41 |
| elmiko | MOAR APIS!!!! | 17:42 |
| redrobot | lol | 17:42 |
| dg__ | and yeh, I talked killick for a bit | 17:42 |
| dg__ | how its totes awesome | 17:42 |
| redrobot | hehe | 17:42 |
| dg__ | and maybe even works, except im not sure yet because revocation is so horribly broken | 17:42 |
| elmiko | i don't want a *new* api, i just want to completely refactor the existing one. nbd... | 17:42 |
| dg__ | face desk | 17:42 |
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| elmiko | haha | 17:42 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok TIME on Killick | 17:43 |
| dg__ | +1 | 17:43 |
| redrobot | darn... sounds like I missed a good bike-shedding opportunity | 17:43 |
| dg__ | next week | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak1 | yeah we did a good 30 min bikeshed on that one | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: We always invite you Barbican guys for those :P | 17:43 |
| dg__ | or submit some patches | 17:43 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bandit (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:43 | |
| redrobot | hyakuhei it's what we do best ;) | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak1: tkelsey | 17:44 |
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| tmcpeak1 | cool we're making good progress on 1.0 | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak1 | we're tracking with blueprints tagged with 1.0 | 17:44 |
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| bknudson_ | I proposed configless bandit to keystone -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278136/ | 17:44 |
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| bknudson_ | any comments welcome | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak1 | I've got a couple things i'm working on, browne has some changes, tkelsey also has some | 17:44 |
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| tkelsey | yeah been doing some docs | 17:44 |
| bknudson_ | or link to docs | 17:44 |
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| tmcpeak1 | bknudson_: awesome, I'll check it out | 17:44 |
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| tmcpeak1 | that's probably it for Bandit, if anybody has cycles and wants to pitch in please do | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak1 | we're shooting for code complete end of Feb I think | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak1 | yeahtkelsey? | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | yeah not much going on | 17:45 |
| browne | bknudson_: looks good, but now there is a merge conflict :( | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | well nothing that we havnt talked about before :) | 17:46 |
| bknudson_ | browne: there's always a merge conflict. | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak1 | I mean that's code complete target right? end of Feb? | 17:46 |
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| ccneill | if you didn't already see it, we got a little attention this week :) #link https://eng.lyft.com/finding-a-needle-in-a-haystack-b7e0627b01f6#.x7et0d9t4 | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak1 | ccneill: +1 | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | oh nice | 17:47 |
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| browne | ccneill: oh yeah, that was cool | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak1 | was on front page of HN for a while | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Lyft and Uber :P | 17:47 |
| ccneill | yep yep | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak1 | that reminds me too | 17:47 |
| ccneill | good stuff. I'd love to see more independent work on these types of modules/plugins | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak1 | I'm going to work on a Bandit overview for SuperUser | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak1 | the print edition | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak1 | at the Austin summit | 17:47 |
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| tmcpeak1 | that's probably it for Bandit | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | ok, we’re blowing through the time today | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak1 | having fun and all that? | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | What else on the agenda do people want to address? | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | As we likely don’t have time for all of it | 17:49 |
| browne | another quick thing on bandit. linters gate job being changed to pep8 | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak1 | yeah | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak1 | chatted to infra guys | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak1 | seems like it's just a cosmetic change | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak1 | new way of doing it is just going to be adding Bandit to your 'pep8' target, which incidentally is designed to run more than pep8 | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak1 | anyway, we can give that a shot and if projects need something else we'll revisit | 17:51 |
| bknudson_ | projects will probably want to initially use a separate bandit job that's non-voting or experimental | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak1 | bknudson_: sure, with baseline we're hoping that's less necessary but if that's what projects are comfortable with I wouldn't argue | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak1 | once 1.0 is out we should be ready to focus on adoption more than development | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Anyone have any syntribos stuff to discuss? michaelxin ccneill ? | 17:52 |
| mdong | sure | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | #topic syntribos | 17:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "syntribos (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:52 | |
| hyakuhei | hey mdong | 17:52 |
| mdong | So we’ve been making steady progress on Syntribos | 17:53 |
| mdong | 8 CR’s submitted this week | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak1 | mdong: awesome | 17:53 |
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| hyakuhei | Impressive | 17:53 |
| mdong | we’d love to see some more code reviews and contributions | 17:53 |
| mdong | and we’ll be updating the blueprints at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/syntribos/ | 17:54 |
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| mdong | that’s all I’ve got on Syntribos | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:54 |
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| ccneill | I'm gonna try to get some unittests written for syntribos | 17:54 |
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| ccneill | submitted a patch with some, but they're failing for (currently) unknown reasons | 17:54 |
| ccneill | I'll try to track down the problem today | 17:55 |
| mdong | awesome | 17:55 |
| elmiko | i'm working on a "securing sahara" blog post, hopefully i'll put the PR up by monday | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: awesome | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | I’m out of the office pretty much all next week but ping me a link | 17:55 |
| elmiko | i also have a skunkworks project about api-fuzzing at scale (using big data clusters). i would really love to get some time to talk with the syntribos team at some point. | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak1 | elmiko: +1 | 17:56 |
| elmiko | i want a huge exploity real-world project to propose for a talk this fall ;) | 17:56 |
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| tmcpeak1 | yeah, browne and I might be saving something for Spain | 17:57 |
| elmiko | ooh, neat! | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak1 | why go to Austin when you can go to… not Austin | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak1 | lol jk | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak1 | but Spain tho | 17:57 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:57 |
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| elmiko | well, i need more time to exploit a stack before i'm ready :/ | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | hehe | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak1 | Rob's exploited stacks for his upcoming talk too, huh? | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak1 | at least, like 10 of them | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | Only laterally :P | 17:58 |
| elmiko | oh nice! | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak1 | can I haz root? have to attend to find out | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | Ok that’s about time. | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | lol tmcpeak1 | 17:59 |
| elmiko | did you get some nice social engineering attacks at rackspace? ;P | 17:59 |
| elmiko | i keed, i keed | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | it’d be rude not to | 17:59 |
| elmiko | hahaha! | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 11 17:59:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-02-11-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-02-11-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks y'all | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-02-11-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak1 | I tried to walk back through the revolving door, #fail | 17:59 |
| elmiko | awesome hyakuhei, thanks! | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak1 | have a good week everybody | 17:59 |
| LHinds | thanks *! | 17:59 |
| elmiko | you too tmcpeak1 | 17:59 |
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| minwang2 | sbalukoff, when i check the wiki page about l7, it mentioend that ——a pool can be effectively associated with zero or one loadbalancers through L7policies, or Listener default_pool assignments.) Notably, at the present time a given pool may exist within zero or one Loadbalancer trees. based on our octavia api, i think a pool must be associated with a lb, zero is possible | 22:43 |
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| minwang2 | wrong room | 22:44 |
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