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| n0ano | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 11 13:59:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 13:59 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler | 14:00 |
| lxsli | o/ | 14:00 |
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| tobasco | yes | 14:00 |
| jaypipes | morning all | 14:00 |
| carl_baldwin | o/ | 14:00 |
| lxsli | staff meeting... | 14:02 |
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| n0ano | lxsli, so, I'm in two meetings right now myself :-) | 14:02 |
| bauzas | heya | 14:02 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: me too :) | 14:02 |
| edleafe | o/ | 14:02 |
| n0ano | looks like we have quorum so let's go | 14:02 |
| n0ano | #topic specs, BPs, patches | 14:02 |
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| * bauzas attending his first '16 sched meeting \o/ | 14:03 | |
| * johnthetubaguy lurks | 14:03 | |
| n0ano | the big one here belongs to you jaypipes , what's happening with your resource providers BP? | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: I have split it into resource-classes, resource-providers, generic-resource-pools, and compute-node-inventory blueprints. | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: still working on compute-node-allocations blueprint, which is final one in series. | 14:04 |
| bauzas | and some of them are being implemented, right? | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yes, cdent is working on resource-classes (patches pushed already I believe) and we are working on others slowly | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | coolness | 14:05 |
| cdent | oh, hi, I'm here | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | I apologize for not being able to attend these meetings for a couple months :( | 14:05 |
| cdent | yeah: I pushed some resource-classes stuff | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | and for being so slow on the spec stuff :( | 14:05 |
| cdent | but have held off on the next step waiting on the specs to progress | 14:05 |
| bauzas | I'd advocate for using the etherpad of doom then :) | 14:05 |
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| n0ano | jaypipes, NP, my only concern is we're beyond feature freeze, do we need to get exceptions for these 5 BPs? | 14:05 |
| bauzas | ie. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:06 |
| bauzas | n0ano: no | 14:06 |
| bauzas | n0ano: no exceptions are possible now | 14:06 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, then what's the implication for Mitaka? | 14:07 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we can continue to work, but no merges | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: need to chat with johnthetubaguy about it. I was under the impression that the resource-providers work was a bit of an exception to the rule. | 14:07 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, +1 | 14:07 |
| bauzas | cdent: jaypipes: like I said above, would it be possible to mention all the specs + implems in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking ? | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we get it reviewed, and folks to work on the follow up bits, thats OK I think | 14:08 |
| * bauzas was pretty dotted-line during the past weeks | 14:08 | |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yes. I will do that ASAP. | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, in that etherpad sounds like a good plan | 14:09 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, do we have a hard cutoff date for getting the BPs approved? | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | it was a few months back | 14:09 |
| cdent | :) | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | but the process is here to help, so if we need exceptions, and everyone wants it, lets do what we can | 14:10 |
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| n0ano | so no, we'll just work with asap | 14:10 |
| bauzas | honestly, I'm not that concerned by the Mitaka freeze | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | if it were not a priority item thats blocking os many things, it would be a hard no, but will to see what other folks think for this | 14:10 |
| n0ano | so, if jaypipes can update the epad with links to all the BPs we'll try and get them reviewed and approved as soon as possible | 14:11 |
| bauzas | ie. we should be able to accept specs for Nxxx sooner or later | 14:11 |
| bauzas | and we could just make sure that if we get enough stuff stable, it could be iterated very quickly for landing in N before Summit | 14:11 |
| bauzas | like we did for ReqSpec | 14:11 |
| bauzas | no precise need for bypassing what was agreed | 14:12 |
| n0ano | I don't think we're bypassing so much as interpreting guidelines :-) | 14:12 |
| n0ano | anyway, let's see if we can get it approved as soon as possible. | 14:13 |
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| n0ano | I think that's it for BPs, all others have either been approved or deferred to N, are they any specific patches people want to discuss today? | 14:14 |
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| cdent | I pushe a bug fix that needs some review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264349/ | 14:14 |
| cdent | was rated as "high" | 14:14 |
| n0ano | cdent, excellent, let's all try to review it | 14:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | I pushed a backlog spec here at we talked about last week: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263898/ | 14:16 |
| bauzas | cdent: in my pip | 14:16 |
| bauzas | pipe even | 14:16 |
| n0ano | carl_baldwin, cool, you should also update the mitaka topics page at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-midcycle | 14:17 |
| carl_baldwin | n0ano: See L73 | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | carl_baldwin: I was talking with armax about making sure we find time for the neutron related things, its on my mental list as well | 14:18 |
| n0ano | carl_baldwin, I'm blnd, I didn't scroll down :-) | 14:18 |
| carl_baldwin | johnthetubaguy: many thanks | 14:18 |
| carl_baldwin | n0ano: No worries, it is a busy agenda. | 14:18 |
| n0ano | kind of seques into the next topic | 14:19 |
| n0ano | #topic mid-cycle meetup | 14:19 |
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| n0ano | given that the neutron scheduling is on one day and a general scheduler topic is on day one I think we're covered unless anyone | 14:20 |
| bauzas | I feel so | 14:20 |
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| n0ano | I should note that scheduler testing is a suggested topic but not on a specific day yet, hopefully that won't be forgotten | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | should be good I think | 14:21 |
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| n0ano | OK, moving on | 14:22 |
| n0ano | #topic bugs | 14:22 |
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| cdent | I was looking into working on this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1431291 | 14:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1431291 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Scheduler Failures are no longer logged with enough detail for a site admin to do problem determination" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Pranav Salunke (dguitarbite) | 14:22 |
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| n0ano | I note that the current list is still at 38 (37 once we push cdent 's ing) | 14:22 |
| cdent | but it feels like reality and the bug have gone in different directions since the bug was created | 14:23 |
| cdent | so I was wondering if someone with a bit more experience could make some statement about the current desired functionality (on the bug)? | 14:23 |
| bauzas | cdent: I feel it would be worth discussing that at the midcycle | 14:23 |
| bauzas | cdent: because it's more a placeholder bug saying "meh, logs suck" | 14:23 |
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| cdent | Yeah, it kinda felt that way. | 14:23 |
| cdent | Is there something more tractable I could/should work on in the meantime? | 14:24 |
| n0ano | personally I don't have a problem with closing bugs out with `NOTABUG' | 14:24 |
| bauzas | cdent: I guess you saw johnthetubaguy's mentions of what has been done in the past with that bug ? | 14:24 |
| tobasco | I have a bug I would like some insight in, I recently marked mine as a duplicate and posted a comment in this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1469179 can't really tell if it's the correct room but got directed by johnthetubaguy | 14:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1469179 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "instance.root_gb should be 0 for volume-backed instances" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Feodor Tersin (ftersin) | 14:24 |
| cdent | bauzas: yes | 14:24 |
| bauzas | n0ano: agreed, I feel we could close that one by mentioning what has been done already and ask to reopen if something more specific is needed | 14:25 |
| n0ano | bauzas, +1 | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: +1 | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | feels out of date post last release | 14:25 |
| bauzas | okay, I can do that | 14:25 |
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| n0ano | tobasco, johnthetubaguy not seeing where this bug is scheduler related, I don't know if anyone here has any insight on this | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, sorry | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | looking again | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | this is more resource tracker | 14:29 |
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| bauzas | that's even a driver-specific problem, nope ? | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was thinking the resource providers work, so we track shared storage better, would improve things | 14:29 |
| bauzas | because the RT is dumpb | 14:29 |
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| bauzas | dumb | 14:29 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, which we are effectively re-writing so maybe this bug might become irrelevant | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think this is cinder volumes confusing local storage space | 14:29 |
| bauzas | it only persists what the driver is providing to it | 14:29 |
| bauzas | n0ano: not exactly | 14:30 |
| n0ano | bauzas, but sounds like this might be cinder related then | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think most folks doing cinder only would disable the diskfilter and not spot the bug | 14:30 |
| bauzas | n0ano: IIUC, the problem is about what's provided as disk space when you have a volume-backed instance | 14:30 |
| tobasco | bauzas: Nova is reading root_gb for cinder volumes so effectively this is the resource tracker which creates the wrong stats | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but if you are mix and match, it affects you, I guess | 14:30 |
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| bauzas | so, to be clear, possibly something has to be done on the RT classes | 14:31 |
| tobasco | At the same time this effects the scheduler since the DiskFilter combined with the wrong stats created bad scheduling | 14:31 |
| bauzas | unless I'm wrong, the DiskFilter is not a default filter | 14:31 |
| tobasco | Only solution so far is to exclude DiskFilter or set the disk_allocation_ratio config value | 14:31 |
| tobasco | bauzas: The DiskFilter was introduced as a default in liberty iirc | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: it got added, I think | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | it might have been dropped since then, lol | 14:32 |
| n0ano | tobasco, affects the scheduler but it's still doing the right thing, give it the wrong data it will correctly make the wrong decision | 14:32 |
| bauzas | oh snap, it is indeed | 14:32 |
| tobasco | n0ano: yes | 14:32 |
| bauzas | so, yeah, the scheduler only schedules based on what the RT provides | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | so my through was about resource providers | 14:32 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:32 |
| tobasco | I just want to shine some more light into this since running a complete Cinder backed Nova today gives quite some headache | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | part of that is deciding the cinder vs local resources | 14:33 |
| bauzas | zactly, we need jaypipes and cdent at wrok | 14:33 |
| bauzas | work | 14:33 |
| n0ano | should tobasco maybe have a discussion with some of the cinder people about this? | 14:33 |
| cdent | totes | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | tobasco: you probably should just disable the disk filter if you are doing that mind, or is there something missing? | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure we need cinder folk for this, seems a very Nova issue here | 14:33 |
| bauzas | a possible workaround could be docs | 14:34 |
| bauzas | ie. specify that DiskFilter should be disabled if Cinder backed volumes | 14:34 |
| bauzas | as a known limitation | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | if there are no local disks in the BDM, we should ignore the flavor disk_gb in the resource tracker claim, and the scheduler stuff | 14:34 |
| tobasco | johnthetubaguy: In our production environment I have disabled the DiskFilter however this still gives me the wrong stats and should be fixed iirc since it's wrong, or atleast have a look at it. | 14:34 |
| tobasco | *imo | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | tobasco: ok, true, its more that it changes the priority | 14:34 |
| bauzas | well, I guess the resource-providers epic already has lots of attention | 14:35 |
| tobasco | For example, we run our hypervisors on very low disk and having the wrong statistics on what's actually on local disk is quite scary for people that doesn't know about this. | 14:35 |
| bauzas | I feel it's a real bug | 14:35 |
| bauzas | with a real problem | 14:35 |
| bauzas | and with a possible solution that could be resource-providers | 14:36 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, yeah but it sounds like this is not really a RT problem, it's being given the wrong data | 14:36 |
| bauzas | n0ano: if so, it's not nova | 14:36 |
| tobasco | I agree with n0ano if only instances processed by the resource tracker and in the database would have root_gb set to 0 the scheduler nor the stats would have any issues | 14:36 |
| tobasco | root_gb = 0 where Cinder backed Nova instances that would say, as root disk. | 14:37 |
| n0ano | tobasco, but who should be setting it to 0, nova or cinder? | 14:37 |
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| bauzas | I remember some conditional in the RT about root_gb, hold on | 14:37 |
| bauzas | meh, nevermind | 14:38 |
| tobasco | n0ano: I saw some comment about the scheduler using the compute api is_volume_backed_instance function to check and set the root_gb to zero, however I assume this is only theoretical and not tested. I can't really be of very much help, I can troubleshoot code however I'm not so familar with the OpenStack concepts and codebase that I yet can help out. | 14:38 |
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| tobasco | I would be more than happy to help out and discuss this issue with other people further if it's needed, I have seen a lot of people having this issue and including myself so I would like to shine some light and get it resolved, that's all :) | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: so it might be the spec object population code | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/filters/disk_filter.py#L36 | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | but yeah, lets take this into the openstack-nova channel I guess | 14:40 |
| bauzas | +1 | 14:40 |
| n0ano | tobasco, having the scheduler do this check seems wrong, I'd like to see what cinder says about this | 14:40 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, +1 to the nova channel | 14:40 |
| bauzas | yeah, I'd be very against any change in the scheduler codebase | 14:41 |
| n0ano | tobasco, tnx for bringing this up but I think you'll get a better answer on #nova | 14:41 |
| bauzas | IMHO, it's a resource issue, not a placement decision issue | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: its the spec object population, rather than the scheduler, but yeah, lets talk about that over the other side | 14:41 |
| tobasco | Ok, I'm satisfied, johnthetubaguy can you please help me out to get this further either by helping or giving me some hints on how to proceed. I would be glad to help out. | 14:41 |
| bauzas | moving on ? | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | tobasco: yup, sounds like bauzas might be able to help us too ;-) | 14:42 |
| n0ano | bauzas, indeed | 14:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | aye | 14:42 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 14:42 |
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| tobasco | +1 | 14:42 |
| n0ano | that's all from me, anything new? | 14:42 |
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| cdent | I have a bit of a blue sky question: Has anybody done any experimentation with using pandas DataFrames as the scheduler's data structure? | 14:43 |
| * cdent is looking for prior art | 14:43 | |
| * cdent doesn't have any immediate plans, just playing | 14:43 | |
| n0ano | cdent, ed leafe looked at using Cassandra but we dropped that work, talk to him might be good | 14:43 |
| n0ano | cdent, there wasn't really much interest in changing the back end | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | the selection loop didn't seem that slow, compared to overall time in the scheduler, so I stopped looking at that bit of the scheduler | 14:44 |
| * cdent nods | 14:44 | |
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| bauzas | what johnthetubaguy said | 14:44 |
| bauzas | we want to have a scalable scheduler from zero to beyond infinite | 14:45 |
| cdent | It's more of an exercise in understanding the conceptual stuff, not really coming up with a new solution | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a fun unit test | 14:45 |
| bauzas | cdent: luckily, any out-of-tree implementation can be done | 14:45 |
| bauzas | cdent: you just need to implement the interfaces and rock on | 14:45 |
| * cdent nods | 14:45 | |
| n0ano | cdent, but expect issues if you want to merge such a thing back in | 14:46 |
| edleafe | cdent: the main advantage of the cassandra design was that the scheduler claimed the resournces | 14:46 |
| * bauzas could joke on numpy dependency tho | 14:46 | |
| edleafe | cdent: it eliminated the raciness | 14:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/unit/scheduler/test_caching_scheduler.py#L205 | 14:47 |
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| cdent | thanks johnthetubaguy | 14:47 |
| n0ano | anything else? | 14:48 |
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| n0ano | hearing more crickets | 14:49 |
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| cdent | I think we're done | 14:49 |
| n0ano | tnx everyone, we'll talk again next week | 14:49 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 14:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 11 14:49:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-01-11-13.59.html | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-01-11-13.59.txt | 14:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-01-11-13.59.log.html | 14:50 |
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| ihrachys | o/ to all upgrades folks. we'll wait a minute for others. | 14:59 |
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| korzen | hi all | 15:00 |
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| roaet | hi | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | roaet: hi! | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's get it rolling | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 11 15:01:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:02 |
| mhickey | Hello | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | o/ everyone | 15:02 |
| roaet | o/ | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | hello everyone after Christmas break | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | this is the first meeting this year | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | let's go straight into topics | 15:03 |
| roaet | hoo ah | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic partial grenade | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | sc68cal: wanna update the team? | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | ok, probably Sean is not avail for now, so I will try to accommodate | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | the status is we still see grenade job failing on resource creation when ssh-ing into a cirros image, and it occurs not consistently | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal made some modifications for grenade to see ssh debug output, and it seems that connection is established, but then dropbear never responds | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | I had an idea today that maybe it's because of tunnelling headers not squeezing into mtu | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | posted some test patches for that, but seems like they are not enough to validate the fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+topic:bug/1527675 | 15:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | morning | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | but we'll see | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | the patch passed once, though I am not sure it's because of the patch, or I was just lucky | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | so rechecking more | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | apart from that, I believe sc68cal also has this grenade patch in this context: https://review.openstack.org/263884 | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | that should change the way how we test for ssh connectivity, and should collect more logs for us. | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | btw if that's indeed mtu issue, we may want to enable MTU advertisement as in: https://review.openstack.org/263486 (also from sc68cal) | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | that's on partial grenade. any questions? korzen? sc68cal? | 15:09 |
| korzen | nothing from my side | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | ok; let's move on | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | #topic versioned objects | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: wanna update on port? | 15:10 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, yep | 15:10 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, unfortunately I didn't have as much time as I wanted...anyway I think I figured out a way to split tasks | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: cool. that could be interesting to roaet and ski2 who were hungry for work items :) | 15:11 |
| rossella_s | the thing is that port is composed by many part...I mean every extension defines some new attributes. I will take time to port everything | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: what's the plan? | 15:12 |
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| rossella_s | so I was planning to start from the leaf of the three...I will submit a patch later today/tomorrow to port a leaf, something simple like extra dhcp opts | 15:13 |
| rossella_s | then other people can do the same for other extensions | 15:13 |
| rossella_s | then we can finally go back to the port object | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: do we have a list of extensions to port? what do we do with extensions that are not in the tree? | 15:13 |
| roaet | are the ovo extensions going to patch in attributes? | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | roaet: I think we cannot just patch attrs in the object, since it changes its API. I would think of having a single field for the list of extension attrs. | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I can create a list of extensions, regarding extensions out of the tree they need to be ported too of course, I'd leave that for a second stage | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: we will need to think for some compatibility layer for at least a cycle I guess? | 15:15 |
| roaet | hrmm. I guess I'll have to see it. I'm a bit puzzled about how to go about doing it. | 15:15 |
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| rossella_s | roaet, an example is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253641 , see how binding is handled | 15:15 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, yes | 15:15 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, tbh I expected it to be less work ...I was too optimistic | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: heh. isn't it always that way? :) | 15:16 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, yo | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | ok, apart from ports, any news for network object? afair roaet was going to analyze the hierarchy for that. | 15:17 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, yes, #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264273 | 15:18 |
| roaet | I'm in process of manually making an ERD for neutron | 15:18 |
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| roaet | And it was suggested to make this an automated process for devref docs as well | 15:18 |
| korzen | I have posted the Network and Subnet OVO patch | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | korzen: niiice | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | roaet: korzen: you need to sync guys. | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | roaet: do you have specific ideas for automation? | 15:18 |
| roaet | throwing it into tox's doc step as a separate python process | 15:19 |
| roaet | not openstack-manuals, just neutron | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | roaet: what would be the output? | 15:19 |
| roaet | a png erd | 15:19 |
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| roaet | but I'm doing it manually first so I can get the OVO stuff done | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | ok, I guess you will unravel it, and then we'll see how it looks like :) | 15:20 |
| roaet | the erd automation is not necessary for OVO | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | roaet: see the patch from korzen ^ I haven't checked it yet, but I guess there is something already done there | 15:20 |
| roaet | but the erd would be very helpful for discussions | 15:20 |
| roaet | I looked at that patch some days ago. | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | roaet: yeah, ERD is useful out of network object context. | 15:20 |
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| roaet | it also shows all the relationships between the in-tree extensions and their 'parents' | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | roaet: ok. as long as you sync with korzen on what's missing, I am happy. :) | 15:21 |
| roaet | cool :D | 15:21 |
| korzen | I have taken the DHCP get_active_networks call and tried to mock it with Network OVO | 15:21 |
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| korzen | all the attr are there | 15:21 |
| korzen | but please take a look if you are in favor of my solution | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | ok, another thing related to objects is mhickey's 'hasher' test that should from now on forbid unexpected changes to object API: https://review.openstack.org/258026 | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | korzen: haven't seen the patch till now; will take a look. | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | the hasher test is merged, so those messing with objects may get new test failures. | 15:23 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: patch for hasher done. patch in for o.vo to wrap temp registry pattern. #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263800 | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: yay. thanks for that and the follow up. | 15:23 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: np. that should be near to finisht. then just add the wrapped methods to neutron. | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | aye aye | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | speaking of object backports, ajo also posted a WIP patch for rpc callbacks upgrades: https://review.openstack.org/265347 everyone is welcome to check it out. | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: wanna update us on that one? | 15:24 |
| ajo | hi, sure, I was running AFK, but I'm here yet :) | 15:24 |
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| ajo | Basically, this implements the devref we proposed for such mechanism, but it's still incomplete, | 15:25 |
| ajo | what I posted in that WIP is the core logic for it, so it's really worth reviewing even if marked as WIP | 15:25 |
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| ajo | probably I will remove the WIP, and push the other bulletpoints of the commit message as a separate/separate patches | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | cool. folks, let's review that one. btw I will update the agenda for the meeting with links to new patches. | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | ajo: if it's splittable, yeah | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | #topic bugs | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | I suspect we may have more content for the topic in the future, so let's adopt the habit of having one :) | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | I have one bug here to mention | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1531772 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1531772 in neutron "Liberty server and Kilo security group aware agent fail to refresh firewall for DHCP and router IPv6 ports" [High,New] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | that's basically rolling upgrade scenario broken for kilo to liberty upgrade for security groups | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | I don't have a patch yet; anyhow, I think some may find it worth checking the description and why it's broken. the brief idea is we made incompat change to rpc interface | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: could use your attention to that later ^ :) | 15:29 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, of course | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | btw see I marked the bug with 'upgrade' tag. it's unofficial, but better than nothing. if you have more bugs like that, please mark the same way. | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | ok... | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | #topic open floor | 15:30 |
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| ihrachys | anyone have stuff to raise? | 15:30 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: yes | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: floor is yours | 15:30 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248190/ : how to progress following conversation with HenryG today | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey: ok. first, let's update the review with some comments from discussion today. it's otherwise not clear what you refer to. :) | 15:31 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: sure. will I add a comment then? | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | for those unaware, that's a patch to allow to determine whether there are pending contract scripts in alembic. and there is some issue due to every subproject using a separate env.py with a separate version table that is not seen in scope of neutron-db-manage db context. we probably need some subproject API that could be consumed by neutron-db-manage to determine version table names. | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: yeah, comment to add. it should give some more info to all reviewers. | 15:33 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: ok, thanks | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey: I would suggest to talk to HenryG about when we expect his alternative idea of converging all projects to single env.py to arrive. if it's not Mitaka, I better search for alternative way to tackle it. | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | does that sound right? | 15:34 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: my thinking also. probably need some solution for M. | 15:34 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: kewl | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: yeah, I already told ansible folks a command will be avail in M, so I would need to deliver :D | 15:35 |
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| mhickey | :) | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: they were otherwise introducing some huge hacks for that | 15:35 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: ack | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | like walking thru the scripts, checking their file names... | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | ok, anything else worth attention? | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | 3... | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | 2... | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | 1... | 15:37 |
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| ihrachys | ok thanks everyone for joining. will see you all in a week! happy hacking! | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 15:37 |
| mhickey | bye all. thanks ihrachys :) | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 11 15:37:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-01-11-15.01.html | 15:37 |
| korzen | bye | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-01-11-15.01.txt | 15:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-01-11-15.01.log.html | 15:37 |
| roaet | see you all | 15:37 |
| rossella_s | bye | 15:37 |
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| dims_ | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| dims_ | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 16:00 |
| dims_ | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
| dims_ | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 11 16:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:01 |
| ozamiatin_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| jecarey | 0/ | 16:01 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:01 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims_ | hi rpodolyaka kgiusti toabctl dhellmann jecarey ozamiatin_ gcb rbradfor | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims_ | hi ihrachys | 16:01 |
| dims_ | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| kragniz | o/ | 16:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | nothing from neutron side, or I am ignorant :) | 16:01 |
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| dims_ | ihrachys : thanks | 16:02 |
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| gcb | nothing from nova as I know :-) | 16:02 |
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| dims_ | thanks gcb | 16:02 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:02 |
| dims_ | gcb there's a oslo.cache review in nova that we'll need to resurrect | 16:03 |
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| amrith | nothing from trove. | 16:03 |
| dims_ | #topic Releases for Mitaka | 16:03 |
| dims_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265673/ | 16:03 |
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| dims_ | i have not lined up pbr or oslo.messaging or taskflow for this round | 16:03 |
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| dims_ | oslo.messaging has the pika driver merged from feature branch to master, so i'd like folks to look at the code that was merged | 16:04 |
| dims_ | please | 16:04 |
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| dims_ | my travis setup looks green with the latest in master branches of oslo.* - https://travis-ci.org/dims/ except for may be a py34 test case in nova for which they have a blacklist file that can be updated | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | dims_: speaking of pbr, are we going to release one for kilo? we had some issues with testr lately, that could be fixed by pbr release with some backports. | 16:05 |
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| dims_ | ihrachys : this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265684/ | 16:06 |
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| ihrachys | dims_: right | 16:06 |
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| dims_ | ihrachys : let's get lifeless to +1 that one and then chat about it in #openstack-release if it is still stuck | 16:07 |
| dims_ | cool? | 16:07 |
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| ihrachys | aye | 16:07 |
| dims_ | k next topic | 16:07 |
| dims_ | #topic osprofiler adoption spec | 16:07 |
| dims_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103825/ | 16:07 |
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| dims_ | there's a bunch of +1's so far | 16:08 |
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| dims_ | may i please have +1's from folks here? please add it to your review queue for today? | 16:08 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : would love to see your vote | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | dims_ : sure, I'll take a look. Is there a separate cross-project spec or is this just an oslo thing | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | ? | 16:09 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : this one proposes oslo as a home for the library | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | ah | 16:10 |
| dims_ | k next one is slightly more controversial | 16:10 |
| dims_ | #topic oslo.messaging compression | 16:11 |
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| dims_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247668/ | 16:11 |
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| dims_ | the issue with this one was kombu has a easy toggle to switch on compression https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249215/5/oslo_messaging/_drivers/impl_rabbit.py | 16:11 |
| dims_ | and zmq does not convert the full payload to json before shipping | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | does that make it a feature of the driver, instead of the library, then? | 16:12 |
| dims_ | so it's a toss up between how we can use existing mechanisms to switch on compression vs do we force drivers to json first then send the message | 16:12 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : right | 16:13 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims_: dhellmann: ++ for making it a feature of a driver | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | I haven't read the spec, but it seems like the easy win for now is to make it a driver option and then when all of the drivers support it we can deprecate those options in favor of a central one | 16:13 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : y, that's what i was leaning towards as well. we'll learn first from that exercise in a single driver | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:14 |
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| dims_ | flaper87 : kgiusti : any opinions? | 16:14 |
| dims_ | ozamiatin_ : ack agree | 16:15 |
| kgiusti | dims_: +1 to driver for now. | 16:15 |
| dims_ | kgiusti : ok, please vote on the spec when you get a chance to review | 16:15 |
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| kgiusti | dims_: will do | 16:16 |
| flaper87 | no objections from me | 16:16 |
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| dims_ | cool thanks | 16:16 |
| dims_ | #topic Open discussion | 16:16 |
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| dims_ | Any other reviews? specs? | 16:16 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims_: Need review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261546/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265414/ | 16:16 |
| dims_ | ozamiatin_ : ack starred them both | 16:17 |
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| ozamiatin_ | dims_: thanks | 16:17 |
| dims_ | rpodolyaka : ping about the discussion with zzzeek on ML | 16:18 |
| dims_ | rpodolyaka : do we propose any changes in oslo libs for that discussion? | 16:18 |
| rpodolyaka | not yet | 16:19 |
| dims_ | #link http://markmail.org/message/k3vpwqihums3obtv | 16:19 |
| rpodolyaka | but looks like we should - at least for oslo.service | 16:19 |
| rpodolyaka | but probably for oslo.db too | 16:19 |
| rpodolyaka | I'll go over the thread once again and probably ping mhorban and ezhova | 16:20 |
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| dims_ | rpodolyaka : much appreciated :) | 16:20 |
| rpodolyaka | np | 16:20 |
| dims_ | kgiusti toabctl dhellmann jecarey ozamiatin_ gcb rbradfor kragniz ihrachys flaper87 amrith - any other things to talk about today? | 16:20 |
| rpodolyaka | credit really goes to zzzeek who spotted this | 16:20 |
| dims_ | yep +1000 | 16:20 |
| amrith | yes | 16:20 |
| amrith | since change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257561/ (077fee4d439a6ecfa95e4e5626e4c5a3f9e7a72d) has now merged, I'd like to know when we'd get a new version of the oslo.utils so we can update requirements.txt and begin to use the new method. | 16:20 |
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| dims_ | amrith : i've lined up a release for today, you can propose a g-r update when the release goes out. as policy we don't automatically bump versions in g-r | 16:21 |
| amrith | ok, wilco | 16:21 |
| dims_ | thanks | 16:22 |
| dims_ | i am missing harlowja :) hey, you around? | 16:22 |
| dims_ | last call before we wrap up :) | 16:23 |
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| dims_ | i'll wait today for any last feedback on the osprofiler spec | 16:23 |
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| dims_ | and we can get that rolling tomorrow | 16:24 |
| dims_ | boris-42 : ^^ | 16:24 |
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| dims_ | anyone involved in oslo.messaging, please look through the pika code | 16:24 |
| dims_ | thanks everyone! | 16:24 |
| dims_ | #endmeeting | 16:24 |
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| boris-42 | dims_: ok great | 16:49 |
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| ativelkov | Courtesy artifact team meeting reminder: nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, flaper87 | 17:02 |
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| ativelkov | Folks, anybody here for the artifacts meeting? | 17:02 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 17:04 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 17:04 |
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| ativelkov | #startmeeting glance-artifacts | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 11 17:05:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
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| kairat_ | o/ | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | Hi folks | 17:05 |
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| mfedosin | hi! | 17:05 |
| jokke_ | hello | 17:05 |
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| ativelkov | The agenda is supposed to be here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda but we don't have anything for today, since most of the artifacts team were on the new-year vacation | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | #topic status update | 17:07 |
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| ativelkov | Technically I don't have much to update (since the long vacation period). All our specs got frozen due to the specFreeze happened one week before the NY | 17:08 |
| mfedosin | I think I can upload a draft code for public glare api tomorrow or on Wednesday | 17:09 |
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| ativelkov | mfedosin: having a draft for the un-approved API spec is a bit too brave :) | 17:09 |
| kairat_ | +1 | 17:09 |
| ativelkov | But let's have some work started anyway | 17:09 |
| kairat_ | Are we going to request FFE for artifacts? or it is assumed by default? | 17:10 |
| mfedosin | but it requires some update in Alex patch | 17:10 |
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| mfedosin | ativelkov, should I drop this job? :) | 17:10 |
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| ativelkov | kairat_: this needs to be discussed with the Drivers. Technically Glare is an experimental feature, and it has the FastTrack concept, so we may drive it faster then the rest of the Glance, however the proper guidance from the drivers team is neede | 17:11 |
| jokke_ | I'd be pro of getting code draft up ... might help to get the SFE going through if there is something done to achieve the goal even the agreement comes in late | 17:12 |
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| ativelkov | mfedosin: of course not :) Just don't forget that anything which is not approved may be changed at any moment. But let's get the code going | 17:13 |
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| ativelkov | jokke_: ++ | 17:13 |
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| mfedosin | anyway we need this code (glare public api), so there's nothing bad to have it on review | 17:13 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 17:13 |
| ativelkov | mfedosin: right, it also simplifies the API review if some implementation is present | 17:13 |
| ativelkov | just don't forget to put a WiP tag to not confuse the reviewers | 17:14 |
| ativelkov | We may revisit this questions after tomorrow's drivers meeting | 17:14 |
| ativelkov | glance /v3 -> glare v0.1 patch is still waiting for more reviews at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255274/ | 17:15 |
| mfedosin | ativelkov, okay, I will. But let me skip functional tests for the first ps ;) | 17:15 |
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| ativelkov | mfedosin: ok, np | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | mfedosin: btw, you had some questions on the patch above, if I remember correctly. Please make sure you leave your comments there | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | That's all for the status update I believe | 17:17 |
| ativelkov | #topic open discussion | 17:17 |
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| mfedosin | I'm writing it | 17:17 |
| ativelkov | Any other questions? | 17:17 |
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| mfedosin | nothing from my side | 17:18 |
| ativelkov | Ok, then we are probably done | 17:19 |
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| ativelkov | It's still the beginning of the year here in Russia, everything is sooo slow :) | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | Thanks everyone | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | #endmeeting | 17:19 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 11 19:03:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 19:03 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:03 |
| catherineD | Happy New Year!!! | 19:04 |
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| rockyg | and in return! | 19:05 |
| catherineD | Let wait for a few minutes | 19:05 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-01-11 | 19:06 |
| catherineD | We did not have a meeting last week because most of the team members were on vacation | 19:07 |
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| alevine | o/ | 19:07 |
| catherineD | alevine: welcome back ... Is today your first day back from holiday? | 19:08 |
| alevine | catherineD: Yes :) | 19:08 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-01-11 | 19:08 |
| catherineD | let's start | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | #topic Alex Levin's RefStack Requirements document | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s_dAIuluztlCC6AZ-WO4_FR2CLje1QyS6kbMxlFHaMk/edit?usp=sharing | 19:09 |
| catherineD | I know rockyg: and hogepodge: may not have a chance to review this doc ... | 19:10 |
| rockyg | got that right, but skimming now... | 19:10 |
| catherineD | alevine: seems like pvaneck: does not have the privilege to add comments ... | 19:10 |
| pvaneck | no i got that now | 19:11 |
| pvaneck | looks good | 19:11 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: that is great .. | 19:11 |
| pvaneck | Seems to me the main remaining issue is in regards to to how regular users (user's not associated to a vendor) creating products should be handled? | 19:11 |
| alevine | catherineD: Have you had a chance to share it with Mark? Because I reviewed his spec and some of the explanations would've been given in the doc more clearly then in my comments to his spec. | 19:11 |
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| catherineD | alevine: I view your doc is the requirment and his spec is for implementation ... | 19:12 |
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| alevine | catherineD: Nope | 19:12 |
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| alevine | catherineD: His spec is mostly about requirement. | 19:13 |
| catherineD | alevine: did you see my comments on Mark's spec? | 19:13 |
| alevine | catherineD: Yes. There were a couple. | 19:13 |
| catherineD | alevine: I think the major disagreement is on how to handle group of users ... | 19:14 |
| catherineD | In Mark's spec and my opinion, we manage this by creating a group entity | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | alevine: maybe you can explain your idea of build-in user group? | 19:15 |
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| alevine | catherineD: I did in the doc. | 19:16 |
| alevine | catherineD: Let me copy-paste it here | 19:16 |
| alevine | By explicit Group I meant Group visible to the end-user. Internally a Group entity will exist and will be stored in the DB. Its ID will be an attribute of the corresponding Organization. It would be created along with Organization and destroyed along with it. It won't exist as a standalone thing. As I said - the built-in group. Same as a built-in groups, say, in Windows. | 19:17 |
| alevine | catherineD: I'm against having Group entity exposed to end user. I see it as an unnecessary complication for our implementation. Maybe it's not what's requested by Mark but it's how he wrote it. | 19:18 |
| rockyg | I think maybe it's kinda the default group for an entity, maybe? | 19:18 |
| alevine | rockyg: Exactly | 19:19 |
| catherineD | If group is not exposed to end users, how would this group be managed? | 19:19 |
| alevine | rockyg: The thing is, what I'm saying is that no other groups are needed besides those default ones. | 19:19 |
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| rockyg | group managed by entity owner | 19:19 |
| alevine | catherineD: Not as a group. User won't be able to create a new group or remove an existing one or list groups. He'll be able to manage user-admins for particular organization instead. Add them (Users), remove, list and so on. | 19:20 |
| catherineD | rockyg: and entity owner is an end user , therefore group needed to be expose to end user | 19:20 |
| alevine | catherineD: Not the group. Its users. | 19:20 |
| alevine | catherineD: I'm saying there won't be means to list groups or manage them. But there will be means list and manage admins of particular organization. | 19:20 |
| pvaneck | I'm okay with this model | 19:21 |
| rockyg | would the org-admin be able to list members of group? | 19:21 |
| alevine | rockyg: Of course. | 19:22 |
| alevine | I don't want us to implement "GROUP management". I want us to deal with "USER management" only. | 19:23 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: perhaps you can describe the model per your understanding | 19:23 |
| rockyg | so, all those functions are admin functions and end-user function is limited to listing name of the group and other properties, like maybe admin (need a contact in there;-) | 19:23 |
| pvaneck | just no explicit group creation/deletion that a user can initiate | 19:23 |
| pvaneck | group creations will be tied to the creation of orgs/products | 19:23 |
| alevine | pvaneck: Exactly | 19:24 |
| pvaneck | I think that is a reasonable way to go about it | 19:24 |
| catherineD | alevine: from pvaneck: 's statement a group will also create when a product is created .. | 19:25 |
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| alevine | catherineD: Could you rephrase? :) | 19:25 |
| catherineD | My understanding of pvaneck: 's statement are: | 19:26 |
| catherineD | 1) when an organization is created ... a group will also be created | 19:26 |
| alevine | catherineD: Ah :) Yes a group will be created along with an organization (vendor). Not a product. | 19:26 |
| alevine | 1) correct | 19:27 |
| catherineD | 2) when an product is created ... a group will also be created ... | 19:27 |
| alevine | 2) Not initially. Only when we would introduce the per-product admins, which is not in the initial version. So, no. Initially it's not true. | 19:27 |
| catherineD | who will manage the product ? | 19:28 |
| alevine | Admins of the Organization | 19:28 |
| alevine | The one which created the Product | 19:28 |
| catherineD | so we need to have an Organization created before a product can be created ..? | 19:29 |
| rockyg | sounds like. | 19:29 |
| alevine | Yes, that's why I wrote about hidden vendor for each User unless he's an admin of a registered vendor. | 19:29 |
| catherineD | alevine: that is the point that I am not confortable with ... hidden vendor ... | 19:30 |
| catherineD | how does RefStack differentiate hidden vs real vendors? | 19:30 |
| alevine | That's reasonable I guess. Product cannot be created out of thin air. So it's either Organization or User should create it. However I suggest simplifying the model by associating each User with his "self-employed" company, unless he works officially for a registered Vendor. | 19:31 |
| alevine | What do you mean by RefStack? | 19:31 |
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| alevine | Describe the use-case. | 19:31 |
| catherineD | In the RefStack code | 19:31 |
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| alevine | A new user is registered. When he/she wants to create a product we create a Vendor for him/her, unless existed. Then the product is associated with that Vendor. That Vendor is not listed or anything. It's tightly associated with the User. | 19:32 |
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| catherineD | alevine: we agree with DefCore that vendor list will be provided by the Foundation ... | 19:33 |
| rockyg | Redhat vs Rockys-redhat? What if a user submits multiple test results for multiple clouds? Let's call that user Monty ;-) | 19:33 |
| pvaneck | would having a product-group association eliminate the need for the hidden vendor creation. Just when a regular user creates a product, a group is created with the user as the admin? | 19:33 |
| alevine | catherineD: And? | 19:33 |
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| alevine | rockyg: I tried to describe in the use-cases listed in the doc all the cases. I'll check this particular one. | 19:34 |
| catherineD | RefStack will not provide vendor registration .... | 19:34 |
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| alevine | pvaneck: No. It won't. | 19:34 |
| catherineD | since vendor list will be imported from a list provided by foundation | 19:34 |
| alevine | pvaneck: It'll just drastically change the model and make it a little strange. Also, there is such a thing as Guidelines which also should be "owned" and they are not a Product. | 19:35 |
| rockyg | alevine, I'm confused about #12 on pg 6. | 19:35 |
| alevine | catherineD: Ok. Let's say there is an "Organization" - some Organization, not requiring any registration. A private company. And there is Vendor which is registered by RefStack. Vendor will have official registration. | 19:36 |
| rockyg | Yeah. Those guidelines are what are confusing me, as I am only aware of DefCore guidelines? | 19:36 |
| rockyg | Or is this to allow things like EC2 guidelines added by a different group? | 19:36 |
| catherineD | rockyg: that is the idea | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | rockyg: but we still want to take care of the DefCore cases first | 19:37 |
| alevine | catherineD: #12 is about user submitting new Guidelines for a someone else's Product. | 19:37 |
| alevine | rockyg: Yes, those are the external Products guidelines. | 19:37 |
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| rockyg | Why would a vendor need to approve the guidelines? They should be out there and if a vendor wants to run the tests, fine, they're official, but if others do, it's just a user's test set? | 19:38 |
| alevine | rockyg: You can see an example here: http://refstack.cloudscaling.com:8000/#/schemas | 19:38 |
| catherineD | alevine: I don't think we want to have any one to create a Guideline | 19:38 |
| alevine | rockyg: They are called Schemas there at the moment. You can see AWS and PCF schemas. | 19:38 |
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| catherineD | Guideline should be created by a standard body like DefCore | 19:38 |
| alevine | rockyg: If I submit a new Guidelines for testing OpenStack definitely the Foundation would want to approve them before allowing anybody to test OpenStack with it, right? Same goes for any other Product. | 19:39 |
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| catherineD | alevine: we are really confused if we keep using the same term like "schema" for different things | 19:39 |
| alevine | catherineD: We already have. You won't be able to add external Products without new Guidelines. See the AWS. The won't be accepted by Foundation so we had to create and manage them. | 19:39 |
| catherineD | for RefStack schema means what is stored in https://github.com/openstack/defcore/tree/master/doc/source/schema | 19:40 |
| alevine | catherineD: That's why I changed it in the doc to "Guidelines". It just stays named "schema" in the prototype for now. We'll change later of course. | 19:40 |
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| alevine | catherineD: Of course I know. I mentioned it in the doc as well. | 19:40 |
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| alevine | Suppose you created a new component for the OpenStack which is not yet accepted (or never be), say Manila (I don't remeber if it's accepted yet), and I want my users to start using Manila and validating clouds against my tests - I have to supply the tests and Guidelines for this, right? | 19:42 |
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| rockyg | Ah. So, doc needs more clarity on definitions. Guidelines are any test set specified by DefCore or approved for use on RefStack by Defcore. | 19:45 |
| catherineD | alevine: I would say that scenareo will be managed by DefCore | 19:46 |
| catherineD | and DefCore will put out a new Guideline as it did with 2016.01 (today) | 19:46 |
| rockyg | Product includes non-openstack cloud apis and ecosystem products that are approved for testing against in Refstack | 19:46 |
| catherineD | rockyg: Guideline is the like today's DefCore Guideline (2015.07, 2016.01 ..) | 19:47 |
| alevine | rockyg: No, not approved by DefCore. The won't manage external testing and external Products - that's what they said. And I agree. | 19:47 |
| alevine | rockyg: Guidelines - Output of the DefCore process detailing which sections and capabilities are required. Guidelines will be approved on a regular cadence and identified by the date of approval. Expressed by json. Guidelines must conform to one of the schema defined in https://github.com/openstack/defcore/tree/master/doc/source/schema | 19:47 |
| alevine | rockyg: That's the definition of DefCore. I didn't change it there. I can add that Guidelines can be created for External Products not managed and approved by DefCore. | 19:48 |
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| rockyg | OK. So, the EC2 list of tests aren't "guidelines", so "other compatability test sets"? Or some such? | 19:49 |
| alevine | rockyg: Product is refers to "software" or "cloud". Both are Products of some Vendor. Software is installed on Cloud and can be tested by some defined Guidelines. | 19:49 |
| rockyg | And if DefCore isn't the body saying which test sets are ok to add to Refstack, who is? Foundation? TC? | 19:50 |
| alevine | rockyg: List of tests is not a Guidelines. But the json containing this list and names of tests and target programs is. | 19:50 |
| alevine | rockyg: Vendor. For its Products. | 19:50 |
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| rockyg | Because if it's a vendor, then Amazon would have to be the vendor to approve the EC2 tests, wouldn't it? | 19:51 |
| alevine | rockyg: Right now DefCore is such a Vendor for the Product OpenStack. | 19:51 |
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| alevine | rockyg: That's correct. However Amazon doesn't care so we'll be representing it, since we created the EC2 API layer. | 19:51 |
| pvaneck | So i seem to see where you are going with the hidden vendor for each user creating a product or guideline. | 19:52 |
| rockyg | Hmmm. So, again, who gives the go ahead to add to Refstack server since it's a foundation server? | 19:52 |
| pvaneck | alevine: If the same regular user creates multiple products, all these products would fall under the same hidden vendor for that user, right? | 19:52 |
| alevine | pvaneck: Great :) | 19:53 |
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| catherineD | alevine: pvaneck: I like that | 19:53 |
| rockyg | In EC2 case, vendor would have to demonstrate right to use the trademarks and make the claims of compatibility? | 19:53 |
| catherineD | hidden vendor is associated to a user not a product | 19:54 |
| hogepodge | Why can't refstack just take an external guideline as a parameter and evaluate a test result against it? | 19:54 |
| alevine | rockyg: According to the agreement with the DefCore guys the do not care if external tests get into their DB, so the Foundation (DefCore) manages and approves only the OpenStack related Products/Guidelines and each other Vendor works with his own stuff. | 19:54 |
| hogepodge | It's essentially what it does right now, just with the external uris hard coded to pull defcore because it is a special primary use case for refstack | 19:54 |
| alevine | pvaneck: Yes, exactly. | 19:54 |
| hogepodge | Then everyone can bring whatever guideline they want to the table, without a complex interface | 19:55 |
| catherineD | ok we are discussing 2 topics at the same time now | 19:55 |
| rockyg | OK. I suspect the Foundation would want to verify if any guideline claims compat to trademarked products, though. | 19:55 |
| alevine | rockyg: We're not doing nothing official for non-OpenStack Vendors. Those are just validations and the results. So no need to care about trademarks I guess. | 19:56 |
| alevine | hogepodge: Pretty much. | 19:56 |
| catherineD | notes that 4 mins remaining ... | 19:56 |
| pvaneck | hogepoge: that is doable | 19:56 |
| catherineD | I will need to end the meeting soon ... let's go to #refstack after this ... | 19:57 |
| alevine | rockyg: Well, I don't see why would they? There are no "claims" only results of tests and some "badges" (pictures) we show as a result of successful validation. | 19:57 |
| catherineD | but I want to document our agreement regarding explicit/implicit user group creation | 19:57 |
| rockyg | OK. Just the presence of the trademarked names, if there, might need to have some legalese or something...asterisk with the note at bottom of owner, etc. | 19:58 |
| alevine | catherineD: I'm sorry, can we continue tomorrow? | 19:58 |
| rockyg | catherineD, ++ | 19:58 |
| catherineD | sure ... | 19:58 |
| catherineD | by one agreement we can log | 19:58 |
| rockyg | And clarification in the doc, please? | 19:58 |
| alevine | rockyg: Probably you're right. We can take the trademarked names and base64-encode them to avoid problems :) (just a joke) | 19:59 |
| catherineD | #agreed Group will be created implicitly. So, RefStack will provide user management and not group management. | 19:59 |
| alevine | rockyg: Clarification about the Guidelines which can be external? Could you please put your comments in the doc wherever you need any clarification? | 19:59 |
| alevine | I'll be more than happy to clarify | 19:59 |
| rockyg | <snicker> | 19:59 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 11 20:00:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-01-11-19.03.html | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-01-11-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-01-11-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
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| leong | hi folks | 21:00 |
| shamail | #startmeeting product working group | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 11 21:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| leong | o/ | 21:00 |
| shamail | Hi leong! | 21:00 |
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| shamail | Hi everyone! | 21:00 |
| dpk_ | Hello | 21:00 |
| shamail | Roll-call, who's here today? | 21:00 |
| leong | o/ | 21:00 |
| annilai | Happy new year ! | 21:00 |
| annilai | anni | 21:00 |
| dpk_ | Deepak | 21:01 |
| shamail | Happy New Year everyone | 21:01 |
| dpk_ | Happy New Year | 21:01 |
| shamail | Pretty light attendance, should we wait a few minutes? | 21:01 |
| annilai | ok | 21:01 |
| dpk_ | y | 21:01 |
| leong | ok | 21:01 |
| dpk_ | yes | 21:01 |
| pchadwick | o/ | 21:01 |
| cloudrancher | o/ | 21:01 |
| sgordon | o/ | 21:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 21:01 |
| shamail | Hi Pete, Jay, Steve, and Mike. | 21:01 |
| piet | o/ | 21:02 |
| pchadwick | Happy New Year | 21:02 |
| shamail | Hi Piet | 21:02 |
| piet | Howdy! | 21:02 |
| shamail | Okay, let's get started... seems like we have a decent sized group | 21:02 |
| shamail | Today's Agenda | 21:02 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
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| shamail | #Topic User Story Updates | 21:02 |
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| shamail | Kenny will not be able to join today but he emailed a brief update on "rolling upgrades" | 21:03 |
| shamail | Rolling Upgrades - Gaps Analysis continues to be under review with next action for Kenny to submit a new Patch with suggestions. | 21:03 |
| shamail | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255633/ | 21:03 |
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| shamail | Seems like there has been a good discussion on this user story and Kenny will be submitting a new patchset | 21:03 |
| shamail | Please review it and add comments if you haven't done so already... | 21:04 |
| leong | in addition to the Gap Analysis: trying to understand what has/has-not been implemented on each project (nova, neutron, etc) | 21:04 |
| shamail | Thanks leong, do we already have a planned approach to that? | 21:04 |
| annilai | I've sent Shamail a user story too but haven't uploaded | 21:04 |
| leong | yes... | 21:04 |
| annilai | it's re. maintains EOL'ed releases | 21:04 |
| shamail | Thanks annilai, I just saw the email. | 21:05 |
| annilai | we need to get more operators' input | 21:05 |
| shamail | leong, I guess I was asking if there is a timeline or CPL requirement> | 21:05 |
| shamail | sorry for being vague | 21:05 |
| annilai | and distro vendor's input. | 21:05 |
| leong | oh. CPL.Not yet. | 21:05 |
| shamail | Got it! | 21:05 |
| shamail | Moving on to onboarding legacy infra... any updates cloudrancher? | 21:06 |
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| cloudrancher | Onboarding for management team met Friday. I have an patch to drop for the user story to drop today or tomorrow. | 21:06 |
| cloudrancher | We've had discussions on the three blueprint drafts in the google drive. https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B0gXxpcL9MhGMy1tOU5ZbEFjRVU | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello product team | 21:06 |
| cloudrancher | so once the patch has been done and approved, we should be able to more out of draft | 21:06 |
| * shamail waves | 21:06 | |
| cloudrancher | move out of draft | 21:06 |
| shamail | Thanks cloudrancher, please submit the repo when you think it's ready. | 21:07 |
| cloudrancher | thats it for now | 21:07 |
| shamail | leong, any updates on onboarding legacy apps? | 21:07 |
| leong | nope.. need to catch up on that.. | 21:07 |
| shamail | NP, thanks. | 21:07 |
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| leong | will talk to Gerg for that use case | 21:08 |
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| shamail | sgordon, how's Complex instance going? | 21:08 |
| sgordon | i got back from vacation 1am today | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | any new bluepints or user stories to review? | 21:08 |
| sgordon | so not great ;) | 21:08 |
| shamail | :-) | 21:08 |
| shamail | All good.. will you be submitting the second one from the telco-wg soon as well? | 21:09 |
| sgordon | yes | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | steve put me on review list | 21:09 |
| shamail | That's good news. | 21:09 |
| leong | FYI, I'm in discussion with an Enterprise company about "HA VM" use case. | 21:09 |
| leong | will probably submit that into draft folder this month | 21:10 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky, we are reviewing the prioritized user stories... there will be some new ones coming (from annilai and sgordon)... you'll see an email or can check repo. | 21:10 |
| pchadwick | leong: That would be good to see | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | IS this HA for VM or HA for application? | 21:10 |
| shamail | +1, thanks leong! | 21:10 |
| leong | HA for VM | 21:10 |
| leong | seems like multiple vendor has different approach.. but i'm trying to understand from the actual customer viewpoint | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:11 |
| shamail | That will be a good perspective to have... any env details (hypervisor type, etc.) would be good to know if they can share. | 21:11 |
| annilai | That's great Leong! | 21:11 |
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| shamail | I'll go ahead and speak on lifecycle management... | 21:11 |
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| shamail | no progress on this user story but I know there is some interest (and prototypes) at IBM. I am trying to find the right people to engage to see if someone can formally participate. | 21:12 |
| shamail | Will keep everyone updated... | 21:12 |
| shamail | Some pre-work is still needed for this story too since it was originally supposed to combine 2-3 different user stories discussed at the last mid-cycle | 21:13 |
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| shamail | The quota and capacity management user story still has noone from PWG working on it | 21:13 |
| shamail | That one might need to be discussed (and maybe re-prioritized) at our mid-cycle | 21:14 |
| shamail | Any other questions/discussions on user stories? | 21:14 |
| shamail | moving on... | 21:14 |
| sgordon | cap management leong and i had been working out how to (re)split at one point | 21:14 |
| sgordon | i think i had a draft submission for part of it | 21:14 |
| shamail | yeah, I recall that sgordon | 21:14 |
| sgordon | based on leong's write up | 21:14 |
| leong | probably need more time/resources for cap mgmt. | 21:15 |
| shamail | submitted or in a google doc? | 21:15 |
| sgordon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253228/ | 21:15 |
| shamail | thanks! | 21:15 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253228/ | 21:15 |
| sgordon | it was an etherpad but i had reworked it into the above | 21:15 |
| sgordon | this does not cover absolutely everything that was in the original capacity management doc from the midcycle tho | 21:15 |
| shamail | Awesome | 21:15 |
| shamail | I missed this, will review later this week. | 21:16 |
| leong | +1 | 21:16 |
| shamail | thanks sgordon | 21:16 |
| rockyg | oops. Sorry I'm late.... | 21:16 |
| shamail | #topic OpenStack Summit in Austin - Call For Speakers | 21:16 |
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| shamail | np rockyg, welcome | 21:16 |
| shamail | The deadline for submissions is 2/1 | 21:16 |
| stephenwalli | Sorry. I’m late as well. | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we have etherpad for ideas for submittion? | 21:17 |
| shamail | We wanted to discuss if there are any topics that we want to submit as a working group | 21:17 |
| shamail | hi stephenwalli | 21:17 |
| shamail | We can create one... do you want to take the action item? | 21:17 |
| shamail | The roadmap session will be submitted again this time... | 21:17 |
| shamail | last time, we had 2-3 submissions | 21:17 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | sure | 21:18 |
| shamail | Does anyone have any ideas that we should build an abstract for and identify presenters? | 21:18 |
| pchadwick | Are these presentations or feedback sessions? | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | created new etherped and will take AIs there | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin_summit_product_wg | 21:18 |
| leong | +1. create a etherpad to for the team track/propose topic for submission. | 21:18 |
| shamail | pchadwick: these are presentations... feedback sessions will most likely be in the ops-summit track and we could even propose a BoF | 21:18 |
| piet | I know the OpenStack UX project is planning to propose a session for the personas. We're hoping someone PWG will present with us if accepted. | 21:19 |
| pchadwick | shamail - thanks | 21:19 |
| shamail | #action Arkady_Kanevsky will create etherpad for discussing call for speakers | 21:19 |
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| shamail | Thanks piet | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | done | 21:19 |
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| shamail | piet, is the abstract available anywhere so that potential interested parties can discuss with you? | 21:19 |
| shamail | Please add it to the etherpad that Arkady_Kanevsky will send out to the mailing list. | 21:20 |
| piet | Yep - one sec | 21:20 |
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| shamail | I'm trying to also figure out how working sessions will be scheduled this time around at the summit.. | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | State of cross releases epochs that we started at Mitaka - proposal | 21:21 |
| shamail | For Austin, working group sessions (and BoFs) will also be submitted through the CFS (Call for Speakers) process | 21:21 |
| piet | Here is a list of proposals. A bit chaotic, but were hoping to submit a few. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-summitpresentations | 21:21 |
| shamail | That's a good one Arkady_Kanevsky... | 21:21 |
| shamail | thanks piet | 21:21 |
| piet | np | 21:21 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-summitpresentations | 21:21 |
| shamail | Last time we were able to ask for a specific time for the working session (we chose to make it closer to the conclusion of the summit) | 21:22 |
| piet | London UX Mid-Cycle planning is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-mid-cycle | 21:22 |
| shamail | I'm not sure if scheduling preferences are still being honored this time but I can ask. | 21:22 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-mid-cycle | 21:23 |
| shamail | Alright, so let's move on... we can continue discussion in the pending etherpad | 21:23 |
| shamail | #topic Sample Tracker walk-through | 21:23 |
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| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265998/ | 21:23 |
| rockyg | I'd like to see a session on how vendors/users can get involved in the review and especially the gap analysis phases of user stories. | 21:23 |
| shamail | The rolling upgrade user story is at a point where they need gaps analysis and a tracker | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do we want to have a BOF on big tent and openstack releases? | 21:24 |
| rockyg | If we can get their input, it would be easier to get to a point where we create RFEs, specs, bps, etc. | 21:24 |
| shamail | I submitted this sample tracker as an example | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | There is a lot of confusion on when/where we will have multuple releases at the same time. Say one for enterprise, one for NFV, one for public lcoud... | 21:24 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: please add it to the etherpad | 21:24 |
| shamail | Can we keep this discussion for 'opens'? | 21:25 |
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| shamail | The sample tracker has fields to track the overall user story implementation | 21:26 |
| shamail | the cross-project spec | 21:26 |
| shamail | and requirements for individual projects | 21:26 |
| shamail | the idea is to eventually build a front-end that can display this data | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail not sure how. I think you just open https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin_summit_product_wg and it assigne you color to make changes | 21:26 |
| shamail | thingee, would like to have your feedback on whether there are items that we are missin | 21:26 |
| shamail | missing* | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | i SEE 2 other people on etherpad alerady | 21:26 |
| rockyg | Question: any Open Source tool we could use for that? Easier for folks to read, maybe? ;-) | 21:26 |
| shamail | rockyg, if you find one... please share it. The idea behind the data being in JSON was to make building a front-end simpler | 21:27 |
| rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky, exactly right | 21:27 |
| shamail | Hopefully, we wont be reading the JSON directly | 21:27 |
| pchadwick | Not exactly human friendly ;) | 21:28 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky, just go to https://etherpad.openstack.org and enter a new name for the new etherpad | 21:28 |
| shamail | pchadwick, agreed.. the intention was to make it machine friendly. :) | 21:28 |
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| rockyg | shamail, already there: | 21:28 |
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| rockyg | [11:03] *** topic is OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings | 21:28 |
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| rockyg | sorry. Dang cut and paste grrrr! | 21:29 |
| shamail | If for some reason the front-end gets delayed for too long then we can revisit making a human-readable format | 21:29 |
| shamail | np rockyg | 21:29 |
| leong | Let's get the JSON first, then we can work on the Front-end later on | 21:29 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:29 |
| rockyg | austin_summit_product_wg | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | created new one https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oepnstack_product_wg_austin_summit <shamail> | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what do you want there? | 21:29 |
| shamail | #action ALL - please review the tracker file and provide feedback. | 21:30 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oepnstack_product_wg_austin_summit | 21:30 |
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| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: there is a typo in the link | 21:30 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky, maybe just a heading that says the purpose (e.g. "Austin Call For Speaker Product WG Proposals" | 21:30 |
| shamail | A related question to the tracker... how do we want to handle the gaps analysis? | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | done | 21:31 |
| shamail | Should we just update the user stories (gap) section? | 21:31 |
| rockyg | shamail, check #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin_summit_product_wg stuff already there... | 21:31 |
| shamail | or should that be a seperate file that is co-located with the tracker? | 21:31 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin_summit_product_wg | 21:31 |
| shamail | Thoughts on how gaps analysis should be stored? | 21:32 |
| shamail | My thought would be to update the existing user story since it has a section... but that can make the story a lot larger depending on how verbose the gaps analysis is... | 21:32 |
| leong | Though we can use the "Gap" section.. but have a concern if the analysis go too big to include within paragraphs | 21:32 |
| shamail | leong, same here | 21:32 |
| rockyg | requirements matrix/capabilities matrix with holes highlighted | 21:33 |
| cloudrancher | The gaps seems to be an implementation concept, not a requirement concept | 21:33 |
| shamail | as a standalone artifact rockyg? | 21:33 |
| cloudrancher | so, somehow the user story might not be the best place for things as the understanding gets better | 21:34 |
| pchadwick | Isn't "filling a gap" a requirement by definition | 21:34 |
| shamail | True cloudrancher... and yes, pchadwick, it is. :) | 21:34 |
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| cloudrancher | well I think if we look at gaps as functional gaps, then the requirements is a good place | 21:34 |
| pchadwick | So, user story > gaps > specs/bp | 21:35 |
| shamail | To be honest, our group will most likely identify the gap as a requirement | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what about user story functionality with which peojects are inlvoved/impacted and status. | 21:35 |
| shamail | the implementaion is up to the project teams to decide | 21:35 |
| cloudrancher | but I am concerned that gaps will become an implementation story - as in Nova needs xxx | 21:35 |
| cloudrancher | Need to think on this a bit | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We cna create a spreadsheet with summry column at the end. rows for dunctionality | 21:35 |
| pchadwick | cloudrancher - fair enough | 21:35 |
| shamail | We are not the best people for deciding the implementation | 21:35 |
| rockyg | linked to user stories. a req. matrix generated from user story that then has capabilities mapped. so req down, cap across or vice versa. | 21:35 |
| cloudrancher | the challenge is how to keep requirement gaps seperate from project management gaps | 21:36 |
| pchadwick | my engineers tell me that product mangers are never the best people for deciding implementation ;) | 21:36 |
| leong | wondering if we need to restructure the directory: user stories -> rolling upgrades -> story.rst | 21:36 |
| rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky, ++ I thinkwe are converging. | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | how does that maps to projects? | 21:36 |
| leong | user stories -> rolling upgrades -> gaps -> gap1.rst gap2.rst etc/ | 21:36 |
| shamail | rockyg, that makes sense.. I am leaning towards a seperate doc as well (only because some gaps analysis might be very large) | 21:36 |
| cloudrancher | +1 | 21:37 |
| pchadwick | We can discuss that with the PTLs and get them to own | 21:37 |
| shamail | that's a good idea leong | 21:37 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:37 |
| annilai_ | +1 | 21:37 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:37 |
| rockyg | 1 | 21:37 |
| rockyg | + | 21:37 |
| cloudrancher | does CPLs have a gaps concept? | 21:37 |
| leong | so instead of putting rolling_upgrade.rst, we put user-stories/rolling-upgrade/.... | 21:37 |
| shamail | #action re-organize repo so that each user story is a folder with relevant RST files. | 21:37 |
| leong | +1 | 21:37 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:37 |
| cloudrancher | sounds right | 21:38 |
| annilai_ | + | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | user stories for rows, cloumns for projects. If text in cells is not green than means that there is a gap that this project is working on. Best to have blueprint or spec or code under review pointers in cell | 21:38 |
| shamail | would we still want draft, proposed, etc? | 21:38 |
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| leong | yes.. i think we still need | 21:38 |
| cloudrancher | but we need a proposal to review | 21:38 |
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| shamail | or does that become an empty file (or even a field in the user story)? | 21:38 |
| Ning | agree | 21:38 |
| shamail | Actually, the folders make sense | 21:38 |
| leong | draft and proposed probably can still kept in existing single file.. but when come into tracked, then need subdir | 21:38 |
| shamail | since we can decide which stories are posted to our specs page by path | 21:39 |
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| shamail | +1 leong | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hard to acess if they are not all on one page. | 21:39 |
| leong | but need to make clear to the team (probably explain in README) | 21:39 |
| rockyg | We need the stories as the top level. Requirements emerge from them, then the capabilities needs from the requirements | 21:39 |
| shamail | Do you want to submit the patch and also start discussion on ML leong or should I? | 21:39 |
| cloudrancher | if we use seperate file for gaps I would recommend we remove from user story | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | clicking thru directories and subdirectories for status is too much | 21:39 |
| leong | shamail: let's discuss offfline one that Action Item | 21:40 |
| cloudrancher | ok | 21:40 |
| shamail | You won't need to do that Arkady_Kanevsky... the user story contains the "what"... as does gaps analysis.. the status will be tracked via tracker. | 21:40 |
| shamail | sounds good leong | 21:40 |
| Ning | + | 21:40 |
| leong | I can submit a patch to restructure the Tracked/Rolling-Upgrade first | 21:40 |
| rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky, if we use the simple name to url link convention, the cell is small, but will take you to the web doc | 21:40 |
| shamail | perfect | 21:40 |
| leong | shamail: put the AR to me | 21:41 |
| shamail | +1 rockyg | 21:41 |
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| shamail | #action leong will submit patch to break out the rolling-upgrade user story based on these discussions. | 21:41 |
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| leong | +1 | 21:42 |
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| shamail | ok, next topic! | 21:42 |
| rockyg | I've got an example of use case -> requrements -> functionality I can point folks to. | 21:42 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | + rocky | 21:42 |
| shamail | #topic Product WG CPL Updates Planning | 21:42 |
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| rockyg | Started it for Refstack. | 21:42 |
| shamail | rockyg, please do... | 21:42 |
| rockyg | I'll send to ml | 21:42 |
| shamail | thx! | 21:43 |
| shamail | This next topic is about CPLs | 21:43 |
| rockyg | yup. | 21:43 |
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| shamail | We have had some project coverage for a while and I wanted to propose a standing topic in our team meeting to have 1 or 2 CPLs provide an update on the projects they are covering | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:44 |
| shamail | This will give the team an idea of current hot topics, discussions, and plans on a per project basis | 21:44 |
| rockyg | kewl! +1 | 21:44 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:44 |
| annilai_ | +1 | 21:44 |
| shamail | Currently, we are not creating a feedback loop via CPLs | 21:44 |
| shamail | We also do not have full coverage of projects | 21:45 |
| leong | +1 | 21:45 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Product_Working_Group | 21:45 |
| leong | starting from "core" then move on with the rest? | 21:45 |
| cloudrancher | pwd | 21:46 |
| shamail | If you can dedicate a small amount of time to participate in a weekly meeting for a project and act as a conduit between PWG and that project, please help by volunteering | 21:46 |
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| shamail | Yes, leong... that would be the proposed schedule... I will create an etherpad and put dates next to each project so the CPL knows when they will be presenting the topic at our meeting | 21:46 |
| leong | +1 | 21:46 |
| shamail | The etherpad will also allow people to swap time slots | 21:46 |
| Ning | + | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can we put which CPL to present on agenda? | 21:47 |
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| shamail | Yes, the etherpad will be the master schedule but each agenda will also include the CPL for the upcoming meeting. | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:48 |
| pchadwick | works for me | 21:48 |
| MeganR | +1, great idea | 21:48 |
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| shamail | #action shamail will create etherpad with "CPL updates" schedule and send link to ML | 21:48 |
| shamail | I will also propose a topic for the mid-cycle to revisit CPL coverage (to ensure we have coverage for user stories related projects) | 21:49 |
| leong | +1 | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | good idea | 21:49 |
| shamail | Segue!!! | 21:49 |
| rockyg | Also, if you could add stable release project to the list? I plan on being ath the 2100 utc meetings, but could use coverage on the 1400 utc meetings (alternate every other week) | 21:49 |
| shamail | #topic Product WG Mid-Cycle Planning | 21:49 |
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| shamail | rockyg: +1 | 21:50 |
| shamail | Please add it to the CPL page and add yourself as one of the CPLs | 21:50 |
| rockyg | will do | 21:50 |
| shamail | A few people had asked about logistics so Kenny (with help from Phil) put together an etherpad for those that are planning to attend the upcoming mid-cycle in the UK. | 21:51 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle | 21:51 |
| pchadwick | This is very useful - thanks. | 21:51 |
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| leong | seems like day 1 and day 2 are in different location | 21:51 |
| shamail | Please add your name to this etherpad once you are confirmed for attendance so that Rackspace can plan accordingly | 21:51 |
| leong | ? | 21:51 |
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| pchadwick | Madhus is dinner | 21:52 |
| shamail | Thanks pchadwick | 21:52 |
| leong | sorry..my fault...the second location is for the dinner ! | 21:52 |
| leong | Thanks pchadwick | 21:52 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | rocky is not coming to anni is? | 21:53 |
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| shamail | If you are planning on attending the mid-cycle and plan on attending the ops-summit as well, please make sure to purchase a ticket for the ops-summit. | 21:53 |
| shamail | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/european-openstack-operators-meetup-tickets-19405855436 | 21:53 |
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| leong | Thanks shamail.. i nearly forgot that... :-) | 21:53 |
| shamail | NP :) | 21:54 |
| rockyg | Both, I think... | 21:54 |
| shamail | The current proposed items for the agenda can be found in this etherpad: | 21:54 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Mitaka_Midcycle | 21:54 |
| rockyg | I'll be there. Gotta edit the etherpad, but bought my ops ticket already | 21:54 |
| piet | Me too | 21:55 |
| shamail | Keep proposing items! | 21:55 |
| shamail | thingee, will you be able to join us for the mid-cycle? | 21:55 |
| piet | Any advice on getting added to the User Summit schedule would be appreciated | 21:55 |
| leong | Time: 5 mins left | 21:55 |
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| shamail | I'll confirm with Mike via email | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Are yiu going to have phone bridge os kype session going for mid-cycle meeting? | 21:56 |
| shamail | piet: speak with Tom Fifield | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | For remote folks to attend | 21:56 |
| thingee | shamail: do we a confirmed date? | 21:56 |
| piet | Real quick: please start distributing the link to the persona validation survey https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2C27W3C | 21:56 |
| shamail | thingee, yess.. please see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle for details | 21:56 |
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| rockyg | and add proposed session to the etherpad, piet | 21:56 |
| piet | k | 21:57 |
| shamail | will do piet | 21:57 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky, we will try to setup a remote participation tool.... | 21:57 |
| shamail | it's always tough but we'll keep trying! | 21:57 |
| piet | Does someone have a link to the operator summit etherpad? | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thank you | 21:57 |
| shamail | yw | 21:57 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MAN-ops-meetup | 21:58 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/european-ops-meetup-planning | 21:58 |
| shamail | there are two etherpads, not sure if one superceded the other or whether both are still current. | 21:58 |
| shamail | #topic opens | 21:59 |
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| piet | Can't emphasize enough...all PMs should be distributing the survey link: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2C27W3C | 21:59 |
| thingee | shamail: I don't see anything preventing me on my calendar | 21:59 |
| shamail | Thanks thingee, I believe Heidi Joy will be attending as well so you might be able to coordinate with her. | 21:59 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | sow the survey. DO you know when we will have results? | 22:00 |
| shamail | Alright, well, Happy 2016!!! | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Happy 2016 | 22:00 |
| shamail | Great meeting to start the new year. | 22:00 |
| leong | Great meeting! | 22:00 |
| annilai_ | + | 22:00 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 11 22:00:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-01-11-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-01-11-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-01-11-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| rockyg | thanks all! | 22:00 |
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| piet | I hope to present something by mid-Feb, but depends on sample size | 22:00 |
| shamail | ttyl | 22:01 |
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