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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 15:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
| u_glide1 | hello | 15:00 |
| markstur_ | hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| bswartz | cknight ganso ameade: ping | 15:01 |
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| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | okay first thing I should note -- next thursday (Nov 26) is a holiday in the USA | 15:01 |
| bswartz | I plan to cancel this meeting next week | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | you guys could hold a meeting without me but most of us USA-based people won't be there I expect | 15:03 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #topic GB --> GiB | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "GB --> GiB (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| bswartz | markstur_: you're up | 15:03 |
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| markstur_ | rhagarty has a UI patch to change GB to GiB | 15:03 |
| markstur_ | I think this is correct. Just a head-up and check to see if anyone thinks otherwise. | 15:03 |
| bswartz | +1 | 15:04 |
| markstur_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | GB is only used for disk drives -- most filesystems are measured in GiB | 15:04 |
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| vponomaryov | markstur_: I am not sure all drivers use GiB indeed | 15:04 |
| bswartz | and GiB is less ambiguous | 15:04 |
| markstur_ | Cinder went thru the same thing. | 15:04 |
| ganso | markstur_: +1 | 15:04 |
| markstur_ | Yes less ambiguous | 15:04 |
| tbarron | markstur_: +1 | 15:04 |
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| markstur_ | Just some people are used to seeing GB anyway. | 15:04 |
| markstur_ | We can probably move on if no one has concerns. | 15:05 |
| tbarron | If they see GiB they'll figure it out. | 15:05 |
| bswartz | so let's ask right now -- is anyone aware of drivers that use GB not GiB? | 15:05 |
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| vponomaryov | markstur_: Generic driver share with size eq 1 has real size about 960 Mb | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | I think we should simply consider that to be a bug if we find it | 15:05 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:05 |
| * gibi got a highlight for Gibibyte :) | 15:05 | |
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| markstur_ | vponomaryov, is that because it is using GB or just because of some overhead | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | markstur_: didn't dig up | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I'm guessing overhead | 15:06 |
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| vponomaryov | markstur_: just observed on lab | 15:06 |
| bswartz | most filesystems reserve 5% of blocks | 15:06 |
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| tbarron | in any case it would be weird for cinder to do GiB and manila to do GB | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | yes | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | so, if you all sure that Cinder does GiB too as all other manila share drivers, then ok, lets change it | 15:07 |
| bswartz | all driver maintainers -- please investigate your drivers if you're not sure you're using GiB (2^30 bytes) | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | #topic OpenStack Manuals and Devref | 15:07 |
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| markstur_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate | 15:08 |
| bswartz | markstur_: you again | 15:08 |
| markstur_ | Good news. | 15:08 |
| markstur_ | manuals will be RST instead of that XML docbook | 15:08 |
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| markstur_ | I wanted to let vendors know because there is some config-ref work going on or todo | 15:08 |
| markstur_ | It'll be easier in RST | 15:08 |
| markstur_ | That wiki shows plan/progress. | 15:08 |
| bswartz | markstur_: the docbook to RST migration has been planned for a while and it's a gradual process | 15:09 |
| markstur_ | Not sure when Manila config-ref will be done, but the plan is Mitaka | 15:09 |
| tbarron | much earier to write RST IMO | 15:09 |
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| markstur_ | bswartz, So are you saying it might not happen in Mitaka? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | markstur_: how can they migrate the config-ref partially? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | well I understood they were doing it 1 doc at a time | 15:09 |
| xyang1 | markstur_: the doc team will be doing the migration, right? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | but each doc has to be converted all or nothing | 15:10 |
| bswartz | We should certainly offer to help with the manila parts if they need help | 15:10 |
| markstur_ | Yes. Last I checked there wasn't much setup yet. If the index is there it'll be easy for us to do our poart. | 15:11 |
| markstur_ | s/poart/part/ | 15:11 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:11 |
| bswartz | anything else on the doc migration? | 15:11 |
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| markstur_ | Next doc topic wasn't really migration. | 15:11 |
| markstur_ | It came up that our devref needs to cover old releases. | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | huh? | 15:12 |
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| markstur_ | But that gets ugly. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | what does that even mean? | 15:12 |
| markstur_ | For example, or 3par page needs to describe old version as well as latest | 15:12 |
| markstur_ | because people use the latest. | 15:12 |
| cfouts | hi | 15:12 |
| markstur_ | Similar to our feature matrix | 15:12 |
| markstur_ | Eventually links to config-ref could solve most of that. | 15:13 |
| bswartz | okay so driver config documentation should NOT be in the devref anymore | 15:13 |
| markstur_ | But currently one idea was to use subpages as needed to describe older versions | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | it should be moved to the config ref | 15:13 |
| toabctl | markstur_: feature matrix doesn't describe an old version. it describes the current status and when things were introduced. | 15:13 |
| bswartz | and the config ref can document different versions of the driver if it needs to | 15:14 |
| markstur_ | toabctl, Sure. That is different. | 15:14 |
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| markstur_ | We still don't have driver doc for kilo w/o the devref | 15:14 |
| markstur_ | Just the bare RST files intree | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | markstur_: can't that information be migrated to the config guide? | 15:15 |
| markstur_ | bswartz, The config-ref in openstack manuals is versioned | 15:15 |
| markstur_ | So we have one for Libert, Mitaka | 15:16 |
| markstur_ | still nothing for Kilo | 15:16 |
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| markstur_ | Perhaps our current pages could maintain that and use links where possible. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | markstur: but they don't actually have branches, they just cut releases out of master | 15:16 |
| markstur_ | The think is you can access an on-line document for a version | 15:17 |
| markstur_ | s/think/thing/ | 15:17 |
| markstur_ | I'm just wondering if we can share an approach as we deal with our devref pages | 15:17 |
| markstur_ | Not sure we want to solve that today | 15:17 |
| bswartz | my preference is that docs for drivers move out of the tree, whether for the current version or older versions | 15:17 |
| bswartz | eventually this problem will solve itself as versions older than liberty become obsolete | 15:18 |
| markstur_ | Yes | 15:18 |
| markstur_ | We could just refer the the cgit kilo source | 15:18 |
| bswartz | if you need special docs for Kilo, I propose adding them as a historical note in the current version of your config-ref | 15:18 |
| markstur_ | +1 | 15:19 |
| markstur_ | I guess if we add a little history and not too much detail | 15:19 |
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| markstur_ | that is the approach we settled on with the HP->HPE rebranding | 15:19 |
| bswartz | and there are plenty of other options, including wiki pages or github.io sites (which is what NetApp does) | 15:19 |
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| markstur_ | OK. I don't think we need to discuss it more. We can maybe bring it back up if there is a push to clean-up and get consistency. | 15:20 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | #topic Midcycle Meetup Date | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | so the cinder team has picked the date for their midcycle meetup (first week of M-3, Jan 26-29) | 15:21 |
| bswartz | more interestingly, they've picked the location for their meetup as the NetApp office here in RTP, which is where we've attemped to hold previous manila midcycle meetups | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | we always try to not conflict with the cinder meetup due to the extra travel is causes for some of us, but there is an opportunity to maybe get both meetups in 1 trip this cycle | 15:22 |
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| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I wonder if anyone would be interested in a physical midcycle meetup for Manila this cycle or if we should keep doing virtual ones | 15:23 |
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| cknight | paging xyang1. wanna spend a week in RTP? | 15:24 |
| toabctl | for me, only virtual is possible | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I'm also cautious because I know that it's easy to get burned out by the midcycle meetups -- they take a lot of energy and 2 back to back could be terrible | 15:24 |
| xyang1 | cknight: I'm planning to go to the cinder one | 15:24 |
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| cknight | xyang1: so you could stay a couple more days for manila? | 15:25 |
| bswartz | xyang1: if we schedule the manila one adjacent to the cinder one would that make you want to stay longer? | 15:25 |
| xyang1 | cknight: bswartz how are you planning for this? staying for two weeks will be tough for me | 15:26 |
| bswartz | if xyang1 and I are the only ones planning to go to both meetups then maybe this matter less | 15:26 |
| bswartz | xyang1: we don't have a plan yet, I'm soliciting input | 15:26 |
| tbarron | I'll go to both :-) | 15:26 |
| markstur_ | Do you know which days Cinder will take? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | if you're interested, we can try to pick an adjacent time for the manila meetup, if not, we'll do something else | 15:27 |
| markstur_ | tbarron, is that a long commute for you? | 15:27 |
| tbarron | Tuesday through Thursdady, Friday optional sprint. | 15:27 |
| xyang1 | 1/26 to 29 | 15:27 |
| bswartz | markstur_: they're saying 1/26-1/29 (tuesday-friday) | 15:27 |
| tbarron | markstur_: about 45 minutes | 15:27 |
| tbarron | markstur_: when my truck works. | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | so assuming we don't try to combine the meetups, then the question is, should we aim for a week before or a week after, or should we aim for a larger gap? | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | that last week of january is the first week of M-3, so getting any later than that means it will be too late to influence what happens during Mitaka | 15:29 |
| bswartz | however earlier than that means the M-2 milestone date or getting close to the winter holidays | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | during Liberty we did hold the meetup the same week as the L-2 milestone and that turned out okay | 15:30 |
| markstur_ | Sounds to me like the week before would be a good pick | 15:30 |
| markstur_ | There might be a monday holiday in the US | 15:30 |
| * bswartz is thinking he might need to do an online unscientific poll like DuncanT did | 15:30 | |
| xyang1 | markstur_: what holiday | 15:31 |
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| markstur_ | MLK day is Jan 18. | 15:31 |
| xyang1 | ok | 15:31 |
| bswartz | okay that would affect us if we aim for the week before cinder's meetup | 15:32 |
| bswartz | however in teh past we've just done 2 days (tue-wed or wed-thu) | 15:32 |
| markstur_ | only Monday though. I don't think that week would be too bad | 15:32 |
| bswartz | okay I think I'll try to setup an poll and send it to the mail list | 15:32 |
| bswartz | all of you read the openstack-dev mail list, right? | 15:32 |
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| markstur_ | of course | 15:33 |
| xyang1 | yes | 15:33 |
| bswartz | heh | 15:33 |
| bswartz | okay let's move on | 15:33 |
| bswartz | #topic Deadlines for features | 15:33 |
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| markstur_ | when the word manila appears in it | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | for me it is not enough criterion )) | 15:33 |
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| vponomaryov | I do not receive some mails | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: on this topic.. could I get an ETA on when we want the share replication feature would be merged. | 15:34 |
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| gouthamr | s/would/to | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | so we discussed before Tokyo that we need to specify an earlier deadline for "large" features to avoid the situation we had during the liberty feature freeze | 15:35 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 15:35 |
| bswartz | as you can see from the schedule, feature freeze will be March 3 this cycle | 15:35 |
| bswartz | so as usual we'll have a feature proposal freeze 2 weeks earlier on Feb 18 | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | however for big things, 2 weeks is not enough to complete the review cycles and get things merged | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | I propose that for features that we deem "large" we require them to be proposed by the M-2 date (6 weeks before feature freeze) | 15:36 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: how do you define "large"? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | by proposed I mean a WIP patch in gerrit | 15:37 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I'll get to that next | 15:37 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: ok | 15:37 |
| bswartz | first I'd like to get some agreement on the date | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | is 6 weeks not enough? could we live with less? | 15:38 |
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| markstur_ | we could decide if there are exceptions during midcycle meetup | 15:38 |
| bswartz | the point of an earlier deadline is that large new features typically require multiple review/fix cycles | 15:38 |
| xyang1 | M-2 seems reasonable | 15:38 |
| bswartz | yes we can always make exceptions, but the goal here is to set expectations so nobody is disappointed their feature didn't get merged | 15:39 |
| cknight | bswartz: sounds good | 15:39 |
| markstur_ | +1 | 15:39 |
| bswartz | and it should also be pointed out that even features which do make the deadline could still not get merged if we're unhappy with them | 15:39 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: +1 | 15:39 |
| ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:39 |
| bswartz | ^ that should be obvious but sometime managers act surprised by that | 15:39 |
| bswartz | okay so then we need to figure out how we define large features | 15:40 |
| JayXu | the number of code lines? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | my initial instinct was to go by lines of code -- for example, if a patch adds 500 more lines than it removes, and it's not purely a driver change, we consider it "large" | 15:41 |
| bswartz | such a rule would except renames and straightforward refactor patches from being considered large | 15:41 |
| bswartz | but cknight had a better idea (IMO) | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | we could deem a feature "large" if it affects 3 or more of the following: DB schema, REST API, RPC layer, scheduler, or the manager | 15:42 |
| bswartz | thus even relatively small changes that touch lots of Manila would be considered large, but huge change limited to 1 part of the code would not | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | the point of this designation is to find changes that are likely to require lots of testing and lots of round trips between the develops and the reviewers | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | IMO large refactor patches typically take a long time to review, but after your review them you typically make a few changes and you're done, thus we don't need an earlier deadline for them | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | whereas brand new features usually require significant changes after testing and reviewing even if the feature is not that large | 15:45 |
| bswartz | does anyone fine the later definition better than going just by lines of code? | 15:46 |
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| JayXu | +1, make more sense | 15:46 |
| sghatty_ | bswartz +1. | 15:46 |
| bswartz | I think lines of code is easier to enforce, but also easier to game | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | combne both? | 15:46 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:46 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: if we get lots of huge patches submitted last minute, that will be tough too | 15:47 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:47 |
| bswartz | xyang1: everything will be subject to the 2 week feature proposal freeze deadline | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | so at a minimum we'll have 2 whole weeks | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | and if we get the "large" stuff handled earlier then it shouldn't be so bad right before feature freeze | 15:48 |
| bswartz | also I have one more proposal regarding new drivers | 15:48 |
| markstur_ | is the 2 week feature proposal freeze documented somewhere? | 15:48 |
| bswartz | markstur_: it used to be documented on the official schedule, but it seems to be gone in Mitaka | 15:49 |
| tbarron | what about vponomaryov and xyang1 proposal to commbine both: if either > 500 new lines or 3 or more of the areas | 15:49 |
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| vponomaryov | tbarron: also, 500+ lines not related to tests | 15:49 |
| bswartz | markstur_: I'll make an ML announcmeent containing all of this info | 15:49 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:49 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:49 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: good idea | 15:50 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: +1 tests add lots of lines! | 15:50 |
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| JayXu | vponomaryov +1 | 15:50 |
| cknight | bswartz: the deadlines should still be posted somewhere | 15:50 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: we don't want to discouraged people to add tests | 15:50 |
| tbarron | nah, that's what ddt is for :-) | 15:50 |
| bswartz | so just to be clear, my suggestion is we take the added lines and subtract the removed lines and compare that number to 500 | 15:50 |
| bswartz | I'm fine with excluding tests from that computation | 15:50 |
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| cknight | bswartz: sounds good. that makes refactors look smaller, and they're easier to review since all the functional tests should be passing | 15:51 |
| markstur_ | Sounds good. If we get too many exception requests we can tune our criteria next time. | 15:51 |
| bswartz | and again we're trying to come up with a numerical definition to help people understand what we're aiming for, but we don't want to override human judgmeent | 15:52 |
| bswartz | markstur_: exactly | 15:52 |
| bswartz | we can make exceptions in either direction if needed | 15:52 |
| bswartz | okay so it sounds like we're in agreement on these 2 things | 15:52 |
| bswartz | so the last topic was about new drivers | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | my stance has been that drivers are okay to submit right up until feature freeze | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | however it's true that reviewing a new driver is a LOT of code to read, and we don't want to encourage driver developers to submit right on Feb 18th | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | so how do people feel about 1 week earlier deadline for both drivers, and driver refactor patches that are comparable in size to a whole new driver? | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | Feb 11th would be the driver deadline -- to give reviewers 1 extra week | 15:54 |
| bswartz | this topic came up in the channel yesterday when redhat was asking about it | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | some driver refactors comparable to two new drivers )) | 15:55 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: lol | 15:55 |
| bswartz | worst case, when reviewing a driver refactor, just ignore the old code and treat it like a new driver | 15:55 |
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| xyang1 | vponomaryov: an earlier deadline for two driver in 1?:) | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | so this last one is mostly a courtesy to the reviewers, ideally we wouldn't need a special deadline, but if it help project managers plan better then I think we should make it official | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | any opposed to Feb 11th deadline for new drivers and driver refactors? | 15:57 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: so the big feature deadline is only for common code change, driver change is not restricted by that? | 15:58 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: do we consider early merge of driver with not complete set of features with folowing extend? | 15:58 |
| bswartz | xyang1: yes the theory is that driver code is except from the "large" feature rule | 15:58 |
| csaba | bswartz: so then what is considered to be a "driver refactor"? | 15:58 |
| bswartz | because driver changes are inherently less risky, although they still tax the core reviewer team | 15:59 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: just look at latest changes to EMC drivers | 15:59 |
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| JayXu | :) | 15:59 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: look at amount of patch-sets | 15:59 |
| JayXu | a bad example | 15:59 |
| cknight | csaba: Your patches in Liberty were a driver refactor. | 15:59 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: and, attention, number of code lines | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | csaba: that's a good question, I think any change that alters a large fraction of a driver | 15:59 |
| cknight | csaba: So you can't refactor again in Mitaka ;-) | 16:00 |
| ganso | time check: 0 minutes left... no time for my topic :( | 16:00 |
| csaba | vponomaryov, cknight: you are all right but so far the goal was to pin down objective criteria | 16:00 |
| bswartz | yes, I think the changes to the glusterfs-native driver at the end of liberty would have counted as a refactor, so do that kind of stuff earlier this cycle | 16:00 |
| bswartz | oh crud I lost track of time | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | sorry ganso we can continue in the manila channel | 16:01 |
| gouthamr | ganso: I'm taking my questions to the manila channel right now :) | 16:01 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 16:01:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-11-19-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-11-19-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-11-19-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 16:01:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:01 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:01 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| maximov | hi | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:01 |
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| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:02 |
| xarses | There are no action items from last week, so we will just move directly into topics | 16:02 |
| xarses | #topic Telco Team Status (vsakharov) | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Telco Team Status (vsakharov) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| vsakharov | Hello! | 16:02 |
| yottatsa | hi | 16:02 |
| vsakharov | Telco team is continue work on Ubuntu bootsrap feature. | 16:03 |
| vsakharov | Here is the current status: | 16:03 |
| vsakharov | 1) Implementation of UX improvements for Fuel Menu that were discussed on demo is in progress. | 16:03 |
| vsakharov | 2) Work on CLI for managing bootstrap images in progress. | 16:03 |
| vsakharov | 3) Work on modifying fuel-library in progress. Most basic functionality is done. | 16:03 |
| vsakharov | 4) Bootstrap creation script enhancements: work in progress, 60% of all commits were merged. | 16:03 |
| vsakharov | 5) Nailgun-agent enhancement was merged. | 16:03 |
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| xarses | vsakharov: any issues you see meeting SCF? | 16:04 |
| mihgen | FF, not SCF | 16:04 |
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| vsakharov | No, I guess we can do it in time. | 16:04 |
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| xarses | thanks | 16:05 |
| mattymo | hi all | 16:05 |
| xarses | #topic Enhancements Team Status (ashtokolov) | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Enhancements Team Status (ashtokolov) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:05 | |
| ashtokolov | Enhancements weekly status: Inbox - 63(was 63), In progress - 12(was 12), On review - 24(was 23) | 16:05 |
| ashtokolov | QA - 10(was 15), Done - 31(was 24) | 16:05 |
| ashtokolov | Fix committed+Fix released = 41 (was 39) | 16:05 |
| ashtokolov | Also we are working on: | 16:06 |
| ashtokolov | 1. Upload any valid IP as a VIP address | 16:06 |
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| ashtokolov | 2. Support for external dashboard plugin entries in Nailgun + astute improvements | 16:06 |
| ashtokolov | Support for external dashboard plugin entries in Nailgun for Plugins with option to show them on the Equipment dashboard | 16:06 |
| ashtokolov | That's all from my team | 16:06 |
| angdraug | forgot the part about fixing all our gates :D | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | =) | 16:07 |
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| ashtokolov | 4. Fuel under BigTent | 16:07 |
| xarses | ashtokolov: its fantastic that we are making progress here | 16:07 |
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| xarses | thanks | 16:08 |
| ashtokolov | Thank you | 16:08 |
| xarses | #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh) | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UI Team status (vkramskikh) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:08 | |
| vkramskikh | Hi! We continue to work on user stories of Iteration #3. They are partially merged, so you already may have seen some changes, including the new network tab with Multirack support and the global page with all nodes managed by Fuel. Both features are still under development, so expect bugs and further changes. | 16:08 |
| vkramskikh | Except these two features we're also working on supporting links to plugin dashboard and I also really like to reorganize settings on our new settings tab grouped by category to avoid having settings from one section in openstack.yaml assigned to different groups, but that would also require changes in puppet manifests, existing plugins, wizard config, etc so it might not make it to 8.0. | 16:08 |
| vkramskikh | We're also working on moving settings with "networking" group to the network tab instead of the settings tab. | 16:08 |
| vkramskikh | As for Separate deployment and provisioning in UI, we decided not to ship it to 8.0 due to backend issues and to return to this feature in the next release and plan backend changes properly. So if you're working on one of the bugs we've found for this feature, you should probably switch to something else. | 16:08 |
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| vkramskikh | That's all for today, thanks! | 16:08 |
| xarses | vkramskikh: you expect that these might not make FF | 16:09 |
| mihgen | reorginize settings - we will need to ensure backward compatibility | 16:10 |
| bgaifullin | hi all | 16:10 |
| xarses | is there anything that we can do here to help them land? | 16:10 |
| vkramskikh | xarses: yes, though I have concerns about reorganizing the settings | 16:10 |
| vkramskikh | I think no | 16:10 |
| vkramskikh | mihgen: backward compatibility with what? | 16:11 |
| warpc | hi | 16:11 |
| mihgen | you said it wil affect plugins, puppet modules, etc. | 16:11 |
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| vkramskikh | plugins? they need to be changed then if they use restrictions, but this change is only needed for 8.0 plugins | 16:11 |
| mihgen | if structure of data is going to change, then we'd need to ensure that old envs managed by Fuel can continue to work | 16:11 |
| vkramskikh | for 7.0 envs settings structure would be the same, and the old plugins will continue to work | 16:12 |
| mihgen | ok then | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | they will work - settings structure and manifests for 7.0 env will be the same as before | 16:12 |
| mihgen | I believe xarses wanted to know if someone can help to get separate provis/deploy done | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | ah | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | I think we'd better focus on quality of other features and bugs instead | 16:13 |
| vkramskikh | and plan everything properly for the next release | 16:13 |
| mihgen | xarses: so it's too late.. and I bet we of need python engineers | 16:13 |
| vkramskikh | yep | 16:13 |
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| xarses | thanks | 16:14 |
| xarses | #topic external snapshots in fuel-devops https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/system-test-external-snapshots (akaszuba) | 16:14 |
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| akaszuba | hi all, i want to ask you for help with review | 16:15 |
| akaszuba | more details you can find in link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/system-test-external-snapshots | 16:15 |
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| angdraug | wow, nice writeup :) | 16:15 |
| akaszuba | thx :) | 16:16 |
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| angdraug | QA folks, this one is for you | 16:16 |
| xarses | akaszuba: what's blocking you? lack of reviewers? | 16:16 |
| bookwar | this feature enables much better management of test environments, so devs who test things locally could benefit from it as well | 16:16 |
| Tatyanka_Leontov | angdraug: will take care | 16:16 |
| angdraug | thanks! | 16:16 |
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| angdraug | akaszuba: anything else? ready to move on? | 16:17 |
| akaszuba | xarses: at this moment i got +1 but no +2, and i need also add some additional test | 16:17 |
| akaszuba | angdraug: i this it is enough | 16:18 |
| akaszuba | i just want to ask for help with review | 16:18 |
| akaszuba | and sugestions/questions | 16:18 |
| mihgen | can you share review request.. ? | 16:18 |
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| xarses | mihgen: its on the bottom of the etherpad | 16:18 |
| bookwar | mihgen: it is in the etherpad link | 16:18 |
| angdraug | mihgen: linked from the etherpad | 16:18 |
| akaszuba | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235566/ | 16:18 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/system-test-external-snapshots | 16:18 |
| mihgen | I see, thanks | 16:19 |
| xarses | #topic Bugfix status (akislitsky) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-bugs-status | 16:19 |
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| akislitsky_ | hi all, detailed bugs-status report located at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-bugs-status | 16:19 |
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| xarses | akislitsky_: do any of these stats indicate any trends to you? | 16:20 |
| mihgen | akislitsky_: we don't seem to show more outgoing than incoming. Is there a way to change it? | 16:20 |
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| akislitsky_ | the most of remaining bugs are tricky and takes a lot of time. we can increase number of fixed bugs by closed medium and low | 16:22 |
| mihgen | 17 income for python high piroirty is a lot and higher than before (around 10).. | 16:22 |
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| mihgen | number of medium bugs goes down actually, so I'm not in a worry here | 16:22 |
| alex_didenko | just a note: we clearly have more python bugs than library/UI | 16:22 |
| mihgen | I'm in a worry that by HCF we will still have around 40 high priority bugs | 16:22 |
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| akislitsky_ | I think we would not be able to close all high bugs by the HCF | 16:24 |
| mihgen | let's think offline where bugs are coming from, and how we can turn the trend | 16:24 |
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| mihgen | we'd need to justify then why so for every bug... require major rewrites or something else | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov_ | mihgen, QA on vacation | 16:24 |
| xarses | mihgen: who's action is that then? | 16:24 |
| mihgen | akislitsky_ or dpyzhov | 16:25 |
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| mihgen | we can't just wait before HCF date happens and we still have 40 bugs | 16:25 |
| mihgen | 63 actually | 16:26 |
| xarses | #action akislitsky_ will follow up on possible reasons for the high python bug trend | 16:26 |
| akislitsky_ | shure. let's find out the way to solve the situation | 16:26 |
| xarses | moving? | 16:26 |
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| xarses | #topic Multirack status (alex_didenko) | 16:27 |
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| alex_didenko | ok | 16:27 |
| alex_didenko | Right now we're working on the ability to share L2/L3 settings between different networks. | 16:27 |
| alex_didenko | Like the possiblity to use the same VLAN id and/or the same CIDR/gateway for different networks. | 16:27 |
| alex_didenko | We will start working on routing reconfiguration on addition of new node groups soon. | 16:27 |
| alex_didenko | Besides that we're working on system tests, for example: deploy multi-rack env with controllers in non-default node group. | 16:27 |
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| alex_didenko | I guess that's it. | 16:27 |
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| xarses | alex_didenko: are there any issues with these landing before FF? | 16:28 |
| alex_didenko | not with these, but with few others | 16:28 |
| alex_didenko | the possibility to use non-public network as default gateway | 16:29 |
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| alex_didenko | and automatic update of dhcp ranges if we assign VIP from admin network | 16:29 |
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| alex_didenko | but the last one is 'nice to have' since you can work-around it by updating admin network range manually | 16:30 |
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| mihgen | is there a workaround for the non-public gw? | 16:31 |
| xarses | mihgen: yes, you can hack the hiera data in globals | 16:31 |
| alex_didenko | yes, but it's more complex, you need to update network_shema | 16:31 |
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| xarses | and its very ugly | 16:31 |
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| xarses | thanks | 16:32 |
| alex_didenko | true, providing the ability to chose network in UI would be much better | 16:32 |
| mihgen | we don't have much time left folks, and seeing number of bugs I'm more for hardening what's landed | 16:32 |
| mihgen | as opposed to rush with gaps which could be work-arounded | 16:32 |
| angdraug | mihgen: +1 | 16:32 |
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| xarses | yep, +1 | 16:33 |
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| angdraug | looks like consensus, lets move on | 16:33 |
| xarses | #topic [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Getting rid of Docker containers on the Fuel master node (kozhukalov) | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | akasatkin: don't miss that one about hardening ^^^ ;) | 16:33 |
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| kozhukalov_ | it is just an announcement of the ML | 16:33 |
| xarses | link? | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov_ | if you guys have any comments please read this ML and give your opinion | 16:34 |
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| kozhukalov_ | it is not archived yet | 16:34 |
| angdraug | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079866.html | 16:34 |
| maximov | short question - does it cover all implications ? f.e. will rollback feature work after it? | 16:35 |
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| maximov | kozhukalov_: ^ | 16:35 |
| xarses | also, how do we un-container a master node? | 16:35 |
| angdraug | kozhukalov_ lost his network connection | 16:35 |
| xarses | when it's upgraded | 16:35 |
| akasatkin | mihgen: ok | 16:35 |
| angdraug | in short, we'll have centos7 in fuel 8.0 on the fuel node | 16:36 |
| mihgen | this one goes with a few more things together. get rid of upgrade tarball is one, and both rely on master node upgrade to centos7 | 16:36 |
| angdraug | this means that 7.0->8.0 upgrade has to involve OS reinstall anyway | 16:36 |
| mihgen | we need to have a very good plan how to get all done by FF and not to break master | 16:36 |
| xarses | I don't see how this will work this close to FF | 16:36 |
| angdraug | afaik ogelbukh is working on a backup/restore based upgrade path for 8.0 | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | and we need a plan to what to do if this doesn't go well | 16:37 |
| angdraug | if it doesn't go well we don't merge it | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | backup/restore in theory can wait | 16:37 |
| angdraug | folks, you realize you'll have to repeat all your questions after kozhukalov_ gets back online? | 16:37 |
| angdraug | I don't have all the answers :) | 16:38 |
| mihgen | angdraug: no, he will just read logs afterwards and reply in ML ;) | 16:38 |
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| mattymo | don't forget this interacts strongly with the work being done by isuzdal and dteselkin | 16:38 |
| xarses | to the ML! | 16:38 |
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| mattymo | they should be aware because they're still preparing 8.0 with docker and containers | 16:39 |
| angdraug | xarses: +1 | 16:39 |
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| angdraug | mattymo: they're aware since yesterday | 16:39 |
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| xarses | moving on then it had the intended effect | 16:39 |
| mihgen | time ? | 16:39 |
| xarses | #topic Deprecation of GRE network segmentation type in 8.0 (aroma) | 16:39 |
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| xarses | aroma: | 16:40 |
| aroma | I've recently stumbled upon this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/7.0.x/+bug/1478924 | 16:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 7 in Launchpad itself "Need help for novice translators" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Данило Шеган (danilo) | 16:40 |
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| aroma | Tried to find some additional info; there are several internal mailing threads dedicated to the topic but with no particular conclusion | 16:40 |
| aroma | so I decided to rise the question here | 16:40 |
| aroma | AFAIK it is already done on Library side (though don't know particular details) and on UI, but Nailgun API left unchanged and such environment may be created using CLI | 16:40 |
| xarses | bug 1478924 | 16:40 |
| openstack | bug 1478924 in Fuel for OpenStack "Nailgun API should validate Neutron segmentation type" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478924 - Assigned to Fuel Python Team (fuel-python) | 16:41 |
| aroma | I understand there might be concerns about compatibility with old clusters but at least could we forbid creation of new ones with the option? | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | alex_didenko: could you confirm that library doesn't support gre? | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | if that's true, we have to forbid create new clusters using gre | 16:42 |
| xarses | I'm not sure why we are removing support in the DB | 16:42 |
| xarses | we should just remove the option in the UI | 16:42 |
| mihgen | and another questions - do operators prefer GRE over vxlan in some cases? | 16:42 |
| alex_didenko | ikalnitsky: no I can't, it should support gre still | 16:42 |
| ikalnitsky | xarses: UI and APU are different things | 16:42 |
| xarses | if someone wants to do it, we neet do not block it | 16:42 |
| xarses | ikalnitsky: exactly | 16:42 |
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| xarses | unless its impossible to use the setting anymore | 16:43 |
| mihgen | it could be just in experimental feature group | 16:43 |
| xenolog | I propose move GRE to experimental and do not test such cases | 16:43 |
| angdraug | mihgen: if your network kit doesn't support vxlan you wouldn't have much choice | 16:43 |
| xarses | it shouldn't be blocked | 16:43 |
| ogelbukh | because someone can use it via cli and fail? | 16:43 |
| mwhahaha | i thought when we switched over to vxlan we were still going to support gre but only via the cli/api | 16:43 |
| mwhahaha | i'm not aware of the removal of gre and i would argue that we shouldn't remove a feature like that | 16:44 |
| ogelbukh | +1 I don't recall such decision | 16:44 |
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| mwhahaha | people have asked for how to use gre, we didn't document the switch very well | 16:44 |
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| ogelbukh | not to mention the upgrade path | 16:45 |
| xarses | how have we broken gre support already? | 16:45 |
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| xarses | also, its supposed to work for upgrades | 16:45 |
| xarses | and random people that are attached to GRE | 16:45 |
| mihgen | again - if there are a number of people asking for it, we should consider doing it under experimental feature group at least | 16:46 |
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| mihgen | even if we don't have capacity to verify that it will work with all other features | 16:46 |
| angdraug | aroma: ^ ? | 16:46 |
| xarses | why experimental? | 16:46 |
| mwhahaha | considering it was a main feature for several releases i'm not sure it should be experimental | 16:46 |
| xarses | just remove it from the UI | 16:46 |
| angdraug | mwhahaha: +1 | 16:47 |
| mihgen | such as upgrades. It just has to be clearly articulated | 16:47 |
| xarses | mwagner: +1 | 16:47 |
| xarses | oops | 16:47 |
| xarses | mwhahaha: +1 | 16:47 |
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| xenolog | GRE already not selectable by UI | 16:47 |
| mwhahaha | my vote would be don't deprecate, fix it and document it. cli only | 16:47 |
| xarses | mwhahaha: +1 | 16:47 |
| xenolog | yep, GRE already CLI-only | 16:48 |
| mwhahaha | and keep at least 1 basic test for it | 16:48 |
| mihgen | and to make sure that I understand a reason - because there are a number of people who need it, and can't use vxlan for different reasons? | 16:48 |
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| mwhahaha | my reasoning would be we supported it for multiple releases and I have seen multiple people have asked how to use gre instead of vxlan | 16:49 |
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| mwhahaha | whatever their reasons, it doesn't matter. customers are asking for it and we had it (and choose to switch the default), so we should keep the option | 16:49 |
| xarses | mihgen: +1 upgrades | 16:50 |
| mihgen | sounds fair. | 16:50 |
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| xarses | we need to move on | 16:50 |
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| xarses | aroma: We should discuss this further on the ML | 16:50 |
| mihgen | ogelbukh: we'd need to find a way to upgrade it. if not possible now - we need to document it | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | and show warning when user chooses gre | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | aroma: thanks for bringing this up here. | 16:51 |
| ogelbukh | mihgen: agree | 16:51 |
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| xarses | #topic Mixed team status (zynzel) | 16:51 |
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| zynzel | We are currently working on bugfixing/review and PROD-2012 (allow to change configuration after deployment - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239897/21/specs/8.0/openstack-config-change.rst). PROD-2012 items: | 16:51 |
| zynzel | * Spec merged | 16:51 |
| zynzel | * Keystone part merged | 16:51 |
| zynzel | * Nova and neutron part in review | 16:51 |
| zynzel | * API and CLI under heavy development. | 16:51 |
| aglarendil | cool! | 16:52 |
| xarses | #action aroma to raise removing / blocking clusters with neutron GRE type in ML | 16:52 |
| mihgen | I assume it's https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/openstack-config-change | 16:52 |
| zynzel | yep, correct | 16:52 |
| xarses | zynzel: no one knows what PROD-2012 is, please use the BP link | 16:52 |
| mihgen | zynzel: when do you folks plan to land remaining pieces.. ? | 16:53 |
| zynzel | sure, sorry. This is BP pasted by mihgen | 16:53 |
| zynzel | hard to tell, nova and neutron is ready | 16:53 |
| zynzel | API mostly too | 16:53 |
| mihgen | do you have everything on review already or you expect a few more patches? | 16:53 |
| zynzel | dev guys are working on serializer for synchronizing hiera | 16:53 |
| zynzel | review was pushed today, so probably we will end with 1 or 2 patchsets | 16:54 |
| mihgen | do you sync with someone from core reviewers on periodical basis? | 16:54 |
| zynzel | we are talking with vova kuklin+sergii golovatiuk | 16:54 |
| zynzel | i know that python guys are in sync with some core reviewers | 16:55 |
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| akasatkin | Im in sync with Alex Saprykin | 16:55 |
| mihgen | thanks guys, cool | 16:55 |
| xarses | #topic progress on auto-adding reviewers based on MAINTAINERS file: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1497655 (mihgen) | 16:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "progress on auto-adding reviewers based on MAINTAINERS file: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1497655 (mihgen) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:55 | |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1497655 in Fuel for OpenStack "Add reviewers automatically based on MAINTAINERS data" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Alexander Charykov (acharykov) | 16:56 |
| mihgen | just wanted to hear an update here | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | I thought script is ready, are we stuck with running it? | 16:56 |
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| monester | mihgen: no update for this week, script is ready need to decide how it should work | 16:56 |
| mihgen | what do you mean by that? | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | let's take it offline, we need to solve it | 16:57 |
| monester | I need to contact infra and ask about possibility to run it as a git trigger | 16:57 |
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| angdraug | monester: I thought you already asked? | 16:58 |
| monester | angdraug: not yet | 16:58 |
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| mihgen | 1min.. | 16:59 |
| mihgen | let's take this offline. there is one more topic.. | 16:59 |
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| monester | mihgen: ok | 16:59 |
| xarses | #topic fixing custom iso builds for stable/7.0 https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1509313 (angdraug) | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "fixing custom iso builds for stable/7.0 https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1509313 (angdraug) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509313 in Fuel for OpenStack 7.0.x " [fuel-ci] custom_iso for 7.0 builds with incorrect symlink to puppet modules" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Matthew Mosesohn (raytrac3r) | 16:59 |
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| angdraug | the stable/7.0 review for above bug is blocked by maintenance team | 16:59 |
| angdraug | I'd like confirm whether custom iso for stable branches is something we want to keep | 17:00 |
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| angdraug | please comment on the bug if you have an opinion | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| mihgen | I've heard that people need it | 17:00 |
| angdraug | time | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | *ahem* | 17:00 |
| xarses | time | 17:00 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 17:01 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 17:01:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-11-19-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| dg | sup guys | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-11-19-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-11-19-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | whatup | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 17:01:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | #chair tmcpeak | 17:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | sup yall | 17:01 |
| singlethink | hi | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | how it do? | 17:01 |
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| tristanC | howdee | 17:01 |
| michaelxin | hi | 17:01 |
| bknudson_ | hi | 17:01 |
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| elmiko | o/ | 17:01 |
| wayward710 | hi | 17:01 |
| tkelsey | hi all | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | We’ll give people a second to roll in and then get started :) | 17:02 |
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| michaelxin | Sorry if I am unresponsive, need to mutli-task in a meeting now. | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | no worries michaelxin - thanks for swinging by :) | 17:02 |
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| nkinder | hi all! | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20151119-agenda | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey nkinder ! | 17:03 |
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| michaelxin | hyakuhei: thanks. | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | ok gues, so take a quick look at the Agenda and add anything required. | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | Sadly we don’t have a redrobot here | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | we haven’t spoken since last week so I don’t have an update on the location yet | 17:04 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: I met with his boss this week. | 17:04 |
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| michaelxin | talk about hosting the event in rackspace. | 17:05 |
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| michaelxin | They are waiting for our decision. | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | cool, so… soon? I mean it’s only what, ~11 weeks away | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | haha | 17:06 |
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| michaelxin | plan early | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | It’ll fly by! | 17:06 |
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| michaelxin | When will be a good time to decide? | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | I'm in for Texas :) | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | One of the reason is that we want to book for conference rooms. | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | well asap really because if that falls through we’ll have to find something else soon | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:07 |
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| bknudson_ | should check if there's other conferences or something that people want to go to | 17:07 |
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| bknudson_ | (I don't have any) | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | I expect we’ll all be backin texas in April/May | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson_: good idea | 17:07 |
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| michaelxin | +1 | 17:07 |
| michaelxin | So, what's the plan here? | 17:08 |
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| bknudson_ | has barbican picked a date? | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | I can talk with them any time. | 17:08 |
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| dg | 11 weeks time seems rather soon for the mid-cycle, we will loose a lot of time over the vacation | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | It’s because of the release cycle dg | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | So you can commit by/for a certain milestone | 17:09 |
| dg | yeah...but... | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 17:09 |
| dg | still, Im +1 for somewhere sunny and warm in january | 17:09 |
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| bknudson_ | can we have a 2 month meeting? | 17:10 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:10 |
| michaelxin | haha | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | Sounds good | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | yeah I guess it would be better to finalize now so people can book travel before everybody collectively loses interest in work in mid December | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | Want it all locked in before people start being AFK for holiday season | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | yeps | 17:10 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | so hyakuhei you happy with Austin? | 17:10 |
| elmiko | makes sense | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | SA or wherever we're going? ;) | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | I think it was San Antonio right ? | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | Yes. | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, though I don’t know how many HP can send | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | San Antonio | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:11 |
| bknudson_ | HPE? | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | cool, michaelxin: want to check if it's available? | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | what's available? | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson_: yeah HPE | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | *sigh* | 17:12 |
| dg | lol | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | the room | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | (s) | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Typing HP is like 33-50% easier than typing HPE | 17:12 |
| elmiko | who's on first? ;) | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | truth | 17:12 |
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| ccneill | o/ | 17:12 |
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| michaelxin | We already booked 5 break rooms. And in the process of booking two large conferences. | 17:12 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | excellent thank you michaelxin | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, I guess should we fire up the etherpad then? | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-mitaka-midcycle | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | Barbican's mid-cycle will be from Mondy-Wednesday. | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Good idea, happy for unconference style again though we can lay out a few more stable “must haves” too | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | Ours will be from Tuesday-Friday | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | So, there will be some overlaps for both teams to co-operate. | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent, I want Security people to be able to contribute to the Barbican setuff properly | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | which might mean limiting what gets done on Tuesday | 17:14 |
| michaelxin | Lisa wants to get confirmation from us. | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | ok so what are our dates? | 17:14 |
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| tmcpeak | Jan 11-15? | 17:15 |
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| tmcpeak | geeze, I suck at picking colors | 17:16 |
| michaelxin | Barbican Midcycle: Jan 11-13, M-W (averages 20 attendees though it may be higher w/ Castle location) | 17:16 |
| michaelxin | OSSP Midcycle: Jan 12-15, T-F (averages 15 attendees though it may be higher w/ Castle location and Barbican overlap) | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | ok so as always, please add your name to the list if you would like to attend and think that there's a chance you might be able to | 17:17 |
| bknudson_ | I'll see if I can get some more people from IBM to go. | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak | also add any proposed agenda items | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | bknudson_: +1 | 17:17 |
| bknudson_ | softlayer is in tx. | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | So, the decision is made for the time and location? | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | I think so | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | seems like it | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: Great. | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | I will talk with Barbican guys and let them know this. | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | So, we can move with booking rooms and other preparations. | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: that would be awesome, thanks man | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Ok lets roll onto the next point, I want to juggle the agenda a bit to bring this up the stack while michaelxin is around | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | #topic FuzzTest | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://www.rdoproject.org/blog/2015/11/openstack-fuzztest/ | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | So this is interesting ^^ | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | tristanC: You around? | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | There’s obvious overlap with Syntribos here | 17:19 |
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| tristanC | hey, well I figured I might as well present this here | 17:20 |
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| tristanC | though it have been quite a rush since the summit, so I didn't want to "butt in" the agenda | 17:20 |
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| bknudson_ | in keystone we implemented JSONSchema over most of the API to help with this. | 17:20 |
| michaelxin | Yes. Tristan showed me this during the summit. | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | oh this is cool | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | No it makes sense to push it up here, lots of the stuff on the agenda are status checks | 17:20 |
| elmiko | bknudson_: does that mean you can get the jsonschema through rest calls? | 17:21 |
| ccneill_ | also, this.. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216303/ <_< | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | so for the uninitiated (such as myself), what are the differences between the two tools approaches? | 17:21 |
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| michaelxin | It is cool to see people come up with different solutions for same problems. | 17:21 |
| bknudson_ | elmiko: no, we don't have that yet... the jsonschema is used to validate the input | 17:21 |
| elmiko | bknudson_: ack, thanks | 17:21 |
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| bknudson_ | it would be easy enough to publish the JSONSchema (although I think there's custom validators) | 17:22 |
| tristanC | tmcpeak: restfuzz generates inputs based on api definition while syntribos generates input based on pre-recorded trace | 17:22 |
| elmiko | yea, i was just curious (something similar came up during api-wg meeting) | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | oh cool | 17:22 |
| dg | tristanC thats cool | 17:22 |
| dg | i will have a play :) | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | is the api description generated automatically? | 17:22 |
| tristanC | tmcpeak: I couldn't figure a way to do that cross project, so it's currently hand written | 17:23 |
| michaelxin | I will play with it for sure. | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | I wonder if the AST can help | 17:23 |
| tristanC | tmcpeak: one cool usecase imo is that it also digg the log and display new uniq traceback | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | if we parse the python code for a services rest api, detect the appropriate decorated functions and inputs, and then generate the description automatically from that | 17:24 |
| tristanC | tmcpeak: sadly each project seems to have a different approach for api routing, and such ast introspection seemed hard at first glance | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | I like this a lot tristanC | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | tristanC: agreed, it does seem hard. Prohibitively hard for a PoC | 17:24 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: it would better, imo, to link into the auto-generated api doc impls that working about. like a swagger parser would be ideal for this. | 17:24 |
| bknudson_ | keystone also has JSONHome to describe the routes | 17:24 |
| nkinder | elmiko: +1 | 17:24 |
| bknudson_ | (which is published) | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: good point | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah no sense reinventing the sheel… swagger parser does seem ideal | 17:25 |
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| tristanC | thanks for the feedback guys, I'm not sure this needs to be gone over thoroughly during this meeting | 17:25 |
| elmiko | something like the json-home doc would be perfect for this effort as well | 17:25 |
| bknudson_ | it should be easy enough to switch from JSONHome to swagger | 17:25 |
| elmiko | yea exactly | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | that part could be a plugin system | 17:25 |
| tristanC | though I'd like to work some more on this, and figures a way to integrate with other framework so that the wheel is not reinvented here | 17:25 |
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| hyakuhei | Will you be at the midcycle tristanC ? | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | Projects like this often get a really big boost with a hands on sprint | 17:26 |
| tristanC | I can't say for now, I'll try to yes | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | ok any questions for tristanC peoples? | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | I'd prefer a clearish definition of the goals of each syntribos and RestFuzz so that we don't duplicate efforts | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | I mean the goals are apparently pretty similar, different approaches, which is cool | 17:27 |
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| tmcpeak | maybe we can plugin the different approaches in some way and leverage common core | 17:27 |
| bknudson_ | would both syntribos and restfuzz be able to make use of a swagger definition? | 17:27 |
| bknudson_ | if so I can try to move it up on my list o' things to do. | 17:28 |
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| elmiko | imo, adding swagger generation to any service project has big win potentials beyond just fuzzing | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | I can see how both would benefit | 17:28 |
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| bknudson_ | if I have questions about publishing JSONSchema or the swagger I've got a contact ( elmiko ) | 17:29 |
| elmiko | ;) | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko, aka elswagger | 17:29 |
| * elmiko chuckles | 17:29 | |
| hyakuhei | rofl | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | ok, lets do a quick run through of $thethings | 17:30 |
| elmiko | bknudson_: you might find this interesting too, http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/api-docs.html | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: anything on Anchor this week? | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:30 |
| tristanC | thanks hyakuhei for picking this up :) | 17:30 |
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| tkelsey | nope, nothing major | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Nothing to report | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | tkelsey: want to roll it? | 17:30 |
| tkelsey | improvements to baseline stuff, config generator, other stuff | 17:31 |
| tkelsey | we just rolled 0.16.2 | 17:31 |
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| tkelsey | let me find the notes | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | congrats, so 016.2 is in pypy? | 17:31 |
| tkelsey | ah yeah, some dead code cleaning and similar | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | yep | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | great! | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | something we mentioned a little last meeting, but is worth touching on again | 17:32 |
| tkelsey | the config gen is interesting | 17:32 |
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| tkelsey | i need to find time to properly play with it | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | the baseline system should be perfect for a project to use for a gate | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | basically regardless of how many issues you currently have, the baseline will make sure that you don't introduce new issues | 17:32 |
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| bknudson_ | btw - I've got someone working on enabling bandit for glance | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | so you can kind of draw a line in the sand and say "that's it, no more x, y, and z issues in my project" | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah that’s going to be useful | 17:33 |
| tkelsey | bknudson_: nice | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson_: awesome! | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | so next step for projects to use this new gate- tkelsey and I will work with the infra guys to get the job set up | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | then it's just up to projects to use it | 17:34 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | should be an easier sell though than "fix all of your issues, then implement Bandit gates" | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | Though wouldn’t it be lovely if finding issues was something projects wanted? | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | crazy talk hyakuhei | 17:34 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: but then you have to fix them! :) | 17:35 |
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| hyakuhei | Trudat! | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Any more bandit things? | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | oh | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | is anybody interested in increased Bandit involvement? | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | we've been a little short handed since sigmavirus24 retired | 17:35 |
| ccneill_ | yep | 17:35 |
| elmiko | interested yes, have time no | 17:36 |
| ccneill_ | I'll have a little more time to dedicate to it over the next month or two as things slow down a bit for the holidays | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | I could possibly move beyond my one commit | 17:36 |
| bknudson_ | hopefully next year a guy will get freed up and I'd try to get him helping with bandit. | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | What’s required? | 17:36 |
| ccneill_ | is there a todo list somewhere? | 17:36 |
| wayward710 | When I wrap up my other stuff and learn more, I'll be looking to get involved with something, so that might be a possibility | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | we have bugs and blueprints in launchpad | 17:36 |
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| tmcpeak | #link https://launchpad.net/bandit | 17:36 |
| tkelsey | ccneill_: ah tmcpeak beat me to it :) | 17:36 |
| ccneill_ | boom | 17:37 |
| ccneill_ | ty | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | cool | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | something to think about, I know everybody is busy but IMHO Bandit is a lovely little project :P | 17:37 |
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| ccneill_ | here here! | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | cool, that should be it for Bandit :) | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | yup ypu | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | cool | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Killick | 17:38 |
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| hyakuhei | dg: Anything to add here? | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Not everyone is sold on short life certificates | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | They want revocation | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | and explaining it doesn’t work | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | doesn’t magically tick their revocation box | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | so now Killick is a thing | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://github.com/openstack-security/killick | 17:38 |
| dg | not touched it this week, although i might have sold it to a couple of people as a solution | 17:38 |
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| tmcpeak | wait, so just to understand - people want the thing that doesn't work to just work? | 17:39 |
| dg | more that they dont understand why revocation doesnt work, so they want to keep doing it the dumb way | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | People want to pretend that the thing that doesn’t work does, because people who don’t know about the thing said it works. | 17:39 |
| dg | ^that | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah what dg said :) | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | umm, ok. I'm fairly sure I've seen a preso or two from some smart chaps with British accents explaining why revocation doesn't work | 17:40 |
| dg | yeah thats us, we are awesome. | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | ;) | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:40 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:40 |
| tkelsey | dg: and modest ;) | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | maybe we’re presenting in the wrong places. | 17:40 |
| dg | however, anchor was never intended to be a 100% solution | 17:40 |
| dg | it was always inteded to be used along with a traditional pki | 17:40 |
| dg | anchor is very very cool, and everyone should use it (and hopefully I've got a bunch of other places wanting to use it) | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | Yarp, Anchor is more closed community, falls down for things like production edges. | 17:41 |
| wayward710 | Is it that revocation doesn't work, or is it that implementing it takes a lot of work and the revocation lists have to be checked? | 17:41 |
| nkinder | it's that revocation is painful for certain cases | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | revocation lists can also be blocked | 17:41 |
| tkelsey | wayward710: both tbh | 17:41 |
| wayward710 | thanks | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | wayward710: CRLs are pretty non-deterministic and oftern aren’t checked, in most cases a 404 on a CRL won’t stop crypto systems working | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | and of course OCSP just isn’t a thing outside of the browser. | 17:42 |
| dg | wayward710 revocation lists and ocsp mostly only work in the browser, most libraries dont support them | 17:42 |
| nkinder | revocation does work, it's just a hassle | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | sometimes it works | 17:42 |
| wayward710 | gotcha, so that's the push to limit cert lifetimes? | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, I'd go with "works in limited cases" | 17:42 |
| nkinder | if certs are short-lived, you accept the risk of it being compromised for a short period of time | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, you get passive revocation, you don’t need to worry about the certificates from yesterday | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: you do anyway | 17:43 |
| nkinder | ...which might be shorter than a CRL update | 17:43 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: understood | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | typically anchor certs are shorter than CRLs or OCSP caches | 17:43 |
| dg | almost no libraries check revocation status. most check certificate expirey | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: sorry, slow fingers today | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | So yes, lets not make this an Anchor sales pitch | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | this is for hte thing that isn’t anchor | 17:43 |
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| hyakuhei | using validation and AuthN chains from Anchor to make smart decisions with Killick | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | or to help inform a human RA to help them make smart decisions | 17:44 |
| nkinder | yeah, so it's really just a lightweigh traditional PKI as I see it | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:44 |
| nkinder | some traditional PKIs can auto-issue too based off of rules | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | lightweight, pure python, easy peasy | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Not trying to be all things PKI to all people, just enough to do sensible TLS | 17:44 |
| dg | +1 | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | ok any questions before we roll on? | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | thanks for the questions wayward710 | 17:45 |
| dg | nkinder as a certificate administrator, i dont want to be manually checking that a request meets our certificate policy | 17:45 |
| dg | i want the pki to tell me that this has passed, or the following xyz rules have failed | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: Yup, policy for PKI is a thing, you can do it with various tie-ins | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | ADCS does it with roles, EJBCA does it with entities | 17:46 |
| nkinder | dg: yeah, understood. We do this in dogtag | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | Dogtag probably does it with some sort of ritual sacrifice | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | generally though they work as part of a wider identity piece | 17:46 |
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| nkinder | you define cert profiles that can have rules or automated checks (or require manual approval as needed) | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | ADCS needs AD, I’m assuming Dogtag wants FreeIPA/Kerb or something | 17:46 |
| nkinder | nah, just uses LDAP underneath it (389) | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | as a core pillar of the issuing, Killick should be able to do some more symantic analysis, like Anchor does with reverse DNS lookups etc | 17:47 |
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| dg | thats the current approach, it just re-uses the anchor validators | 17:47 |
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| dg | which has the nice bonus, that if we add functionality to anchor, we get it for free in killick | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | Probably want to look at breaking the CA/RA apart more in Anchor | 17:48 |
| wayward710 | Thanks for the education hyakuhei :) | 17:48 |
| dg | theyre fairly broken already i think... tim and I made a bunch of changes last month(?) | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah but I’m basically thinking that Killick/AnchorCA just become pluggable things. We should sync on this tomorrow :) | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | Just so we don’t chew through the rest of this meeting | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | Speaking of - nkinder want to talk about OSSNs? | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security_Notes | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah, saw nkinder did some activity on this | 17:50 |
| nkinder | The queue has 4 in it (one embargoed) | 17:50 |
| nkinder | I have a draft written up that I'm getting reviewed by a core on the affected project today | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | Great, nkinder let me know when you want me to take a look | 17:51 |
| nkinder | ...for the embargoed one that is | 17:51 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: what tool did you use last time for reviewing the embargoed OSSN? | 17:51 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: we could use something like google doc, but you used something else that I can't recall | 17:51 |
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| tmcpeak | gitlab | 17:51 |
| nkinder | that's right | 17:52 |
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| tmcpeak | OSSN-TEMP | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, I’m not sure it’s the best but it was useful enough | 17:52 |
| nkinder | ok, well once I have the technical review on the draft, I'll get it over to hyakuhei and tmcpeak | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | yeah worked well enough | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | what's the deal with this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1497031 | 17:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1497031 in OpenStack Security Notes "Authenticated Denial of Service in Blacklists" [Undecided,New] | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | how did this even get OSSN on it? | 17:52 |
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| ccneill_ | <_< | 17:53 |
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| ccneill_ | I wasn't sure how best to handle this issue | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok | 17:53 |
| ccneill_ | I think I asked in the openstack-security channel at some point what th do with it and OSSN was floated | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | Authenticated DOS seems legit? | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | it does seem legit, it just doesn't look like we went through the triage process | 17:54 |
| ccneill_ | it's definitely a real issue, just wasn't sure of the severity | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | They’ve pushed a fix though, is there no back fix? | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | but yeah, channel works too :) | 17:54 |
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| tristanC | note that blacklist modification are admin only iirc | 17:54 |
| ccneill_ | ^ yes, important note | 17:54 |
| nkinder | yeah | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | Oh ok | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | I didn’t notice that | 17:54 |
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| tmcpeak | oh this is a cool bug though | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | OSSN: Admins, don’t intentionally bork your cloud. | 17:55 |
| tristanC | the ossn task seems to have been added for extra review before dropping the security status | 17:55 |
| ccneill_ | arbitrary regexes ftw | 17:55 |
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| hyakuhei | I suppose if it’s possible to accidentally set this situation up | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, I'm not sure what to recommend | 17:55 |
| nkinder | yeah, but that's not really worthy of an OSSN | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | but I’d be happy enough to not have an OSSN for this as there’s a published fix already | 17:55 |
| ccneill_ | would CVE be appropriate? | 17:56 |
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| nkinder | It's just a flat out bug IMHO, not necessarily a security issue | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:56 |
| ccneill_ | it would be pretty contrived for someone to do this to themselves | 17:56 |
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| elmiko | do we have time for a brief AOB item? | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | ok so shall we close the OSSN part? | 17:57 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic AOB | 17:57 |
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| elmiko | thanks | 17:57 |
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| nkinder | tmcpeak: Yeah, I'll close it | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:57 |
| elmiko | at midcycle we talked a bunch about threat analysis | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | that's my contribution for the day | 17:57 |
| elmiko | i've got buy-in from the sahara team and my local team to do this type of work during mitaka | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | legit | 17:58 |
| elmiko | is there any chance of getting the HP threat analysis stuff we talked about during mid-cycle for reference? | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | ok that’s exciting | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | Lets chat about it on -dev | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:58 |
| elmiko | yea, i have a clear thought about how we can deliver something that is useful to the community and operators | 17:58 |
| bknudson_ | HPE | 17:59 |
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| elmiko | and maybe inspire other teams to do it | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | HPE are still happy to get involved / share our findings | 17:59 |
| elmiko | cool, thanks | 17:59 |
| elmiko | and yea HPE, sorry for the inaccuracy ;) | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | heheh | 17:59 |
| dg | I was working on upstreaming as much of the HPE process as possible | 18:00 |
| elmiko | i'll send an email sometime today | 18:00 |
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| dg | thats still WIP but i should crack on with it really | 18:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 18:00 |
| elmiko | thanks dg | 18:00 |
| bknudson_ | http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-say-hpes-name-2015-11 | 18:00 |
| elmiko | rofl.. | 18:00 |
| dg | take this to the security room, given the time? | 18:00 |
| hyakuhei | yarp | 18:01 |
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| tmcpeak | thanks everybody! | 18:01 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 18:01:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-11-19-17.01.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-11-19-17.01.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-11-19-17.01.log.html | 18:01 |
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| elmiko | thanks hyakuhei tmcpeak | 18:01 |
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| hyakuhei | Sorry guys, bit late finishing there - thanks everyone! | 18:01 |
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