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| annp | amotoki-san: Konnichiwa | 06:22 |
| amotoki | annp: hi, but why in the meeting channel? | 06:22 |
| annp | amotoki-san: sorry for my mistake. | 06:24 |
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| d0ugal | o/ | 14:00 |
| tzumainn | hiya! | 14:00 |
| d0ugal | Hey | 14:00 |
| jdob | o/ | 14:00 |
| apetrich | o/ | 14:00 |
| dprince | hello | 14:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 14:01 |
| dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 17 14:01:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| eggmaster | o/ | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:01 | |
| jaosorior | o/ | 14:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:01 |
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| tremble | o/ | 14:01 |
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| marios | o/ | 14:02 |
| slagle | howdy | 14:02 |
| dprince | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
| dprince | * bugs | 14:02 |
| dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:02 |
| dprince | * CI | 14:02 |
| dprince | * Specs | 14:02 |
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| dprince | * Review Priorities: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-review-priorities | 14:02 |
| dprince | * one off agenda items | 14:02 |
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| dprince | * open discussion | 14:02 |
| dprince | looks like a normal agenda this week. Did I miss anything? | 14:02 |
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| trown | o/ | 14:03 |
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| hichihara | hi | 14:04 |
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| dprince | #topic bugs | 14:05 |
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| dprince | From last week, we were able to get this fixed in Nova https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1513879 | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513879 in tripleo "NeutronClientException: 404 Not Found" [High,Triaged] | 14:05 |
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| dprince | I would also highlight this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1515315 | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1515315 in tripleo "instack fails to create ctlplane network" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Dan Prince (dan-prince) | 14:07 |
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| dprince | we'll need that to bump the DELOREAN_REPO_URL in our CI too ^^ | 14:07 |
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| dprince | any other bugs to highlight this week? | 14:09 |
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| shardy | tripleo.sh doesn't currently work outside of CI due to puppet versions, I'm working on fixing that | 14:09 |
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| shardy | not yet raised a bug, installing from source works for master, not for stable | 14:10 |
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| dprince | shardy: cool, would be good to fix that | 14:11 |
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| traffy | hi | 14:12 |
| dprince | One more issue I'd mention for anyone using Delorean trunk. That repo was broken late last week due to a neutron packaging issue. | 14:12 |
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| dprince | yesterday that got reverted in https://github.com/openstack-packages/neutron/commit/4c82af80863c93f3860906ed6a98a16c3352edd8 | 14:12 |
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| dprince | so... again I think Delorea trunk is (mostly) working... | 14:13 |
| * dprince isn't sure how many people use delorean trunk these days but thought it worth mentioning... | 14:13 | |
| bnemec | The periodic jobs should catch this sort of stuff faster now, right? | 14:13 |
| dprince | bnemec: hopefully, but we need to pay attention to them | 14:14 |
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| bnemec | Yeah, can we get that status added to the CI status on tripleo.org? | 14:14 |
| dprince | bnemec: sure, good idea | 14:14 |
| trown | ya I check tripleo.org CI status a couple times a day | 14:15 |
| dprince | trown: because of the cool owl I hope | 14:15 |
| dprince | :) | 14:15 |
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| * d0ugal probably doesn't check it enough | 14:16 | |
| trown | ya, I just like staring into the owl's eyes | 14:16 |
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| shardy | So stable CI just got enabled today (currently failing due to the puppet module issues) | 14:16 |
| dprince | moving to CI | 14:16 |
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| dprince | #topic CI | 14:16 |
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| dprince | anyone interested in updating tripleo-ci/scripts/tripleo-jobs.py | 14:17 |
| shardy | it would be good to differentiate the stable from trunk jobs in the tripleo.org status page? | 14:17 |
| dprince | bnemec: ^^ that script generates the current CI status page | 14:17 |
| trown | shardy: dprince, for stable jobs wouldnt we just want to use current-passed-ci from RDO? | 14:17 |
| trown | instead of our out of date current-tripleo | 14:17 |
| shardy | trown: for the puppet modules? | 14:18 |
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| trown | I have the liberty current-passed-ci very nearly automated | 14:18 |
| trown | shardy: ya for anything not in the list we build | 14:18 |
| trown | but it would immediately resolve the puppet module issue | 14:18 |
| shardy | trown: let's chat after, I was hoping we could align the RDO and upstream approaches | 14:18 |
| bnemec | current-tripleo will be updated automatically too now that we have periodic jobs. | 14:19 |
| trown | shardy: cool, sounds good | 14:19 |
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| shardy | I tried to do that with the $STABLE_RELEASE patch, but the puppet source override breaks it atm | 14:19 |
| shardy | shouldn't be too hard to fix when I understand the right combinations of repos | 14:19 |
| trown | bnemec: ya just seems odd to have 2 different promote jobs for not much gain on the liberty branch | 14:19 |
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| dprince | okay, so derekh sent me a note saying that bumping the trunk Delorean URL is close (we think) | 14:20 |
| dprince | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229789/ | 14:21 |
| trown | I intend to put a tripleo.sh job in the liberty promote pipeline as well, but lets talk after | 14:21 |
| dprince | I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244197/ may be the only blocker that I know of at this point. | 14:21 |
| dprince | which fixes the same bug I linked a few minutes ago | 14:21 |
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| shardy | trown: FYI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245670/ is my recheck patch which shows the issues atm | 14:22 |
| dprince | so hopefully soon we can bump our stable CI delorean link to a more recent version... | 14:22 |
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| bnemec | dprince: +A | 14:23 |
| dprince | shardy: any updates on the 'updates' CI job | 14:23 |
| dprince | bnemec: great, thanks | 14:24 |
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| shardy | dprince: Not yet, just getting stable CI in was the first step, and that has proven far more time consuming than anticipated | 14:24 |
| shardy | the main problem is project-config review latency, and no way to test those patches | 14:25 |
| shardy | IMHO it's worth revisiting the idea of running our CI outside of infra control at some point, as it's a huge bottleneck | 14:25 |
| shardy | but I know that was dismissed last time due to goals for cross-project gating | 14:25 |
| trown | shardy: that is one place where doing tripleo stable ci in RDO would be a huge win | 14:25 |
| bnemec | We already function as essentially third-party CI anyway. | 14:25 |
| bnemec | We could make that official. | 14:26 |
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| dprince | shardy: I will try to ping in infra to help these things along | 14:26 |
| bnemec | Especially given the early plans to combine all the hardware into one big CI cloud. | 14:26 |
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| dprince | shardy: while we wait, you could post an ad-hoc tripleo-ci job that overrides one of our existing jobs to do the same tests | 14:27 |
| shardy | dprince: well the change has landed now, it just took 2 weeks longer than I expected | 14:27 |
| shardy | dprince: I'll sync up with derekh as he's made some progress on initial update scripts in tripleo.sh | 14:28 |
| shardy | & we can hopefully show some faster progress on basic update testing after stable CI is working | 14:28 |
| dprince | shardy: yep, this is why we try to manage some things in tripleo-ci | 14:28 |
| shardy | at least the jobs are running now, which is a big step forward :) | 14:28 |
| shardy | dprince: ack, I fully understand why now :D | 14:29 |
| dprince | cool | 14:29 |
| dprince | any other CI updates? | 14:29 |
| dprince | #topic Specs | 14:29 |
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| dprince | I posted 2 new specs this week | 14:30 |
| dprince | #link Deploy Puppet modules via Swift: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245309/ | 14:30 |
| dprince | #link composable services within roles https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245804/ | 14:31 |
| dprince | I sort of went ahead and implement a fully working version of the puppet module deployment w/ swift | 14:31 |
| slagle | dprince: i'd really like to see that be more generic | 14:32 |
| dprince | the code wasn't too hard there | 14:32 |
| slagle | i don't know why that would be a different spec | 14:32 |
| slagle | there doesn't seem to be anything specific about puppet modules afaict | 14:32 |
| dprince | slagle: you mean more generic like what steve baker was suggesting? | 14:32 |
| slagle | yea, i suggested the same in my review | 14:32 |
| slagle | could be tgz/rpm/whatever | 14:32 |
| dprince | slagle: sure, Initially I think I thought you were suggesting just deploying openstack-puppet-modules | 14:33 |
| dprince | slagle: steve baker wants to deploy *any* RPM this way | 14:33 |
| dprince | slagle: which I personally think is a bit out of scope | 14:33 |
| slagle | take whatever is found in the bucket, if it's tgz, extract it to /, if it's rpm, install it | 14:33 |
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| slagle | given the mechanism would be identical for any tgz/rpm, i guess i don't understand why it would be out of scope | 14:34 |
| shardy | why would you do that vs just exposing a webserver on the undercloud with a yum repo in it? | 14:34 |
| dprince | slagle: sure, but from a client tooling prospective I would still want this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245310/ | 14:34 |
| dprince | slagle: the underlying mechanism can easily be made to support what you guys are asking I think | 14:34 |
| dprince | slagle: but I'd rather the script/tool for puppet modules to be focussed on just this task | 14:35 |
| slagle | shardy: that would work too, but swift is already there | 14:35 |
| shardy | I've been doing exactly that with local delorean builds, it seems odd to wire RPMs via swift | 14:35 |
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| slagle | maybe this whole thing is just too subjective :) | 14:36 |
| shardy | slagle: Yeah I think it's fine provided we leave the RPMs in swift and pass a tempurl | 14:36 |
| dprince | slagle: I said this in my last comment, but I gotta say that my motivation for this has nothing to do w/ RPMs (although I will support them if need be) | 14:36 |
| slagle | swift is no less odd for tgz's either | 14:36 |
| slagle | might as well just use a static webserver on the undercloud | 14:36 |
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| shardy | slagle: it's the tar/copy thing I found odd | 14:36 |
| * bnemec wants no more bash scripts. :-/ | 14:36 | |
| dprince | in fact... the real point of using Swift to deploy a director of puppet module RPMs was about *not* having to go through the package build process | 14:36 |
| dprince | this was feed back from Graeme Giles at the summit too... | 14:37 |
| dprince | bnemec: there are some things that are *much* more verbose in python | 14:37 |
| slagle | that was one point of it | 14:37 |
| dprince | bnemec: this is perhaps one of those things... | 14:37 |
| bnemec | dprince: And testable ;-) | 14:37 |
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| slagle | i just don't see it as a tgz vs rpm discussion | 14:38 |
| slagle | no matter which i use, i want to get it updated on the overcloud | 14:38 |
| dprince | slagle: we already have a mechanism to deploy and updated version of openstack-puppet-modules RPM though (via the normal yum upgrade) | 14:38 |
| dprince | slagle: regardless, I agree we can support the RPM (easily). Patches to do that will follow | 14:39 |
| shardy | Yeah, I guess the method is somewhat a matter of preference, but delorean w/RPMs over http just makes sense to me as it's aligned with what we do in CI | 14:39 |
| slagle | that mechanism doesn't preupdate opm | 14:39 |
| dprince | slagle: hmmm, it was intended to | 14:39 |
| dprince | slagle: if it doesn't then that is probably a missing piece of the update workflow | 14:40 |
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| slagle | maybe, it definitely doesn't do that now | 14:40 |
| dprince | anyway, perhaps we can discuss this more on the spec | 14:40 |
| dprince | slagle: sounds like a bug to me | 14:41 |
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| dprince | The other spec (composable roles) is what I'm super interested in | 14:41 |
| dprince | would love feedback on that one too | 14:42 |
| bnemec | That one's going to be an upgrade nightmare, isn't it? | 14:42 |
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| dprince | bnemec: so I've listed the upgrades job as a specific CI requirement in the spec | 14:42 |
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| dprince | bnemec: but I don't think it would necissarily be a nightmare | 14:43 |
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| slagle | i dont think it will be a nightmare if we don't allow changing roles on upgrade | 14:43 |
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| bnemec | dprince: Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how it will even work. We can barely do upgrades without completely refactoring the templates today. | 14:43 |
| slagle | e.g., you can't go from an already deloyed cloud to one with roles split out however you want | 14:43 |
| dprince | bnemec: having a more defined vendor/driver "interface" would actually make upgrades better in some cases | 14:43 |
| bnemec | With such a refactoring it seems like a potential problem. | 14:44 |
| dprince | slagle: agree, our default enabled roles would probably match our defaults today | 14:44 |
| dprince | Anyways, this composable roles thing is super important IMO if we want to scale tripleo-heat-templates | 14:45 |
| dprince | are current arch isn't scaling so well | 14:45 |
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| slagle | bnemec: i'm not saying there won't be issues, i'm sure there will be. i just think that we have to land it in such a way that upgrades work | 14:45 |
| dprince | specifically overcloud_controller.pp and the pacemaker version | 14:45 |
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| slagle | bnemec: if they don't/won't, we can't land it | 14:45 |
| trown | ya, it would be predicated on the upgrades CI passing | 14:46 |
| slagle | trown: yep | 14:46 |
| dprince | see line 256 in the spec: We should have the upgrades job in place to ensure we don't break the ability to heat stack-update from a previous stack. | 14:46 |
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| bnemec | Yeah, I guess I should leave upgrades talk to people who actually work on it. It's just my first thought when I hear "let's completely change the architecture of our heat templates". :-) | 14:47 |
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| dprince | bnemec: this isn't as drastic as it sounds | 14:47 |
| dprince | bnemec: the underlying workflow is much the same (steps, through a puppet manifest) | 14:47 |
| shardy | It's not such a big issue when you're changing mostly what software is deployed, vs nodes and networking | 14:47 |
| dprince | bnemec: just creating a more defined interface | 14:47 |
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| dprince | bnemec: at the end of the day it is basically the same hiera and puppet modules getting executed... | 14:48 |
| shardy | but I agree we need moar testing to prove any major rework | 14:48 |
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| dprince | if we don't do this, in 3-6 months added patches for new services and vendors is going to be even more painful IMO | 14:49 |
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| bnemec | Okay, this is probably not a discussion I should have started here. It probably belongs on the spec. | 14:49 |
| bnemec | Probably. ;-) | 14:50 |
| d0ugal | We are going to run out of time too :) | 14:50 |
| dprince | agree, lets move to review priorities | 14:50 |
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| dprince | #topic Review Priorities: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-review-priorities | 14:50 |
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| dprince | any reviews that need highlighting | 14:51 |
| thrash | the string of nuage patches | 14:52 |
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| thrash | dprince: I believe they are listed on the review priorties etherpad | 14:52 |
| bnemec | Wow, now I know why my patches don't get reviews. I didn't realize _everything_ was going on the priority page. :-) | 14:52 |
| * bnemec adds his stuff | 14:52 | |
| slagle | i was going to ask if we felt the etherpad was still useful :) | 14:53 |
| dprince | bnemec: probably not everything should go onto the priorities page, otherwise it isn't going to help us | 14:53 |
| gfidente | I liked the tripleo inbox created by the gerritdashboard | 14:53 |
| dprince | slagle: unclear to me whether it is still useful | 14:53 |
| bnemec | gfidente: That's still available. | 14:53 |
| * dprince uses http://tripleo.org/reviews.html | 14:53 | |
| gfidente | yeah I think we can customize the queries as well if we want to define new 'priority' rules | 14:54 |
| bnemec | I haven't actually looked at it before (obviously). | 14:54 |
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| d0ugal | dprince: huh, cool. I didn't even know about that one | 14:54 |
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| marios | dprince: the midokura patches should be close now (tht, puppet-tripleo, tripleo-heat-templates) will update the etherpad (is pointing to older tht change) | 14:54 |
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| dprince | marios: ack | 14:54 |
| slagle | dprince: yea, i don't use that one :) i find score rather meaningless | 14:54 |
| dprince | slagle: its just a column, feel free to ignore | 14:55 |
| thrash | should new patches even care about the templates in os-apply-config? | 14:55 |
| dprince | slagle: tripleo.org loads a lot quicker than gerrit for me | 14:55 |
| marios | thrash: i tend to just leave a comment to drop that file (any templates under os-apply-config/ dir | 14:56 |
| thrash | marios: ack | 14:56 |
| bnemec | thrash: It sounds like we should rename that to deprecated or something. | 14:56 |
| dprince | thrash: depends on the patch, there are some os-apply-config remnants that are still important | 14:56 |
| shardy | we should move them to deprecated soon IMO | 14:56 |
| dprince | oh in tripleo-heat-templates | 14:56 |
| bnemec | I'm not sure whey we ever bothered to create a separate os-apply-config directory when realisitically that stuff has all been deprecated for a long time. | 14:57 |
| thrash | dprince: yes. :) | 14:57 |
| dprince | yeah, those can be deprecated | 14:57 |
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| shardy | and/or just purge all the old untested stuff | 14:57 |
| thrash | dprince: so net-new functionality should ignore them | 14:57 |
| dprince | yep | 14:57 |
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| dprince | so we didn't get to one off agenda items or open discussion this week | 14:57 |
| shardy | epic fail on the one-off agenda items | 14:57 |
| dprince | sorry about that | 14:57 |
| tzumainn | can I ask a quick question? | 14:58 |
| dprince | shardy: did you want to bring something up quick :) | 14:58 |
| tzumainn | it sounds like people are okay with putting the api in tripleo-common and renaming tripleo-common to tripleo | 14:58 |
| shardy | one-off items should probably come earlier in the list I guess | 14:58 |
| * dprince fails to watch the clock this week | 14:58 | |
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| d0ugal | shardy: +1 | 14:58 |
| * bnemec fondly remembers when this meeting was slagle talking to himself :-) | 14:58 | |
| tzumainn | the leftover issue is what that means for tripleo-incubator, which is packaged as tripleo | 14:58 |
| shardy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079543.html | 14:58 |
| d0ugal | bnemec: How do you remember that if it was just slagle? ;) | 14:58 |
| jtomasek | o/ | 14:58 |
| shardy | dprince: Yeah, can folks please discuss parameters vs parameter_defaults there | 14:59 |
| dprince | shardy: ack, we will all reply to your thread :) | 14:59 |
| bnemec | d0ugal: I lurked ;-) | 14:59 |
| shardy | I'd like to clarify/document when to use each so we can review more consistently | 14:59 |
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| dprince | a good thread I think | 14:59 |
| bnemec | +1 to documenting that. | 14:59 |
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| dprince | okay, thanks everyone | 15:00 |
| d0ugal | Thanks! | 15:00 |
| dprince | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 17 15:00:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-11-17-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-11-17-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-11-17-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| matrohon | hi bgpvpn fellows | 15:01 |
| janscheurich | hi | 15:01 |
| matrohon | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 17 15:02:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| nikolas | hey | 15:02 |
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| matrohon | hi nikolas, janscheurich tmorin doude | 15:02 |
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| tmorin | hello everyone | 15:03 |
| tmorin | #startmeeting | 15:03 |
| openstack | tmorin: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 15:03 |
| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:03 |
| openstack | tmorin: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 15:03 |
| * tmorin not awake yet | 15:03 | |
| matrohon | :) | 15:03 |
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| tmorin | hi timirnich_ | 15:04 |
| matrohon | I was looking at last meeting action points | 15:04 |
| matrohon | let's start with those points | 15:04 |
| tmorin | hi enikher | 15:04 |
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| matrohon | #topic action points | 15:04 |
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| matrohon | janscheurich, you were supposed to contact the ODL team | 15:05 |
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| matrohon | you did we saw your mail | 15:05 |
| matrohon | any feedbacks? | 15:05 |
| matrohon | let's move to my AP | 15:06 |
| matrohon | I considered moving from subresources to resources | 15:06 |
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| matrohon | after discussing with blogen, about the reason why lbaas use subresources | 15:07 |
| matrohon | he told me that it was about the cosmetic of the API, and the lifecycle of the resources | 15:08 |
| matrohon | he didn't have strong arguments, but it seems we have the same structure, with subresources that have no sense without resources | 15:09 |
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| matrohon | so 'im in favor of leaving association treated as subresources of bgpvpns, from an API point of view | 15:09 |
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| janscheurich | +1 | 15:09 |
| * tmorin agrees | 15:10 | |
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| tmorin | janscheurich: any feedback on the ODL driver location discussion? | 15:10 |
| janscheurich | Sorry, I have not received feedback from the ODL developers regarding the location of the ODL driver | 15:10 |
| matrohon | janscheurich, ok | 15:10 |
| janscheurich | Our Indian colleagues were mostly on vacation last week | 15:10 |
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| janscheurich | WIll follow up this week | 15:11 |
| matrohon | I discussed briefly with vthapar last friday | 15:11 |
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| matrohon | he sent a mail then to consider managing associations as object in ODL | 15:11 |
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| matrohon | but we didn't discuss about moving to the bgpvpn repo | 15:12 |
| tmorin | janscheurich: the question is whether we should delay a first release before a decision is made, or not ? | 15:12 |
| matrohon | there's one advantage having it in the odl repo : we don't have to wait for the odl driver to be ready to cut the bgpvpn liberty release :) | 15:13 |
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| matrohon | however I told vthapar that we will wait for their feedback on the new driver API before cutting | 15:13 |
| janscheurich | true, but then we have two releases to deal with for ODL | 15:14 |
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| matrohon | two releases : kilo and liberty? | 15:15 |
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| matrohon | ok what's up next? | 15:16 |
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| janscheurich | networking bgpvpn and networking-odl. And I don't know if an how we can make intermediate networking-odl releases | 15:17 |
| matrohon | janscheurich, oh of course | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | janscheurich: would it make sense to release a first networking-bgpvpn rc release, without ODL, and a second one later with the ODL driver ? | 15:18 |
| matrohon | I think we should discuss that yamahata | 15:18 |
| matrohon | I think we should discuss that with yamahata | 15:18 |
| janscheurich | tmorin: yes | 15:18 |
| janscheurich | matrohon: yes | 15:18 |
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| matrohon | janscheurich, was he CC of your mail? | 15:19 |
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| janscheurich | yamahata? no | 15:20 |
| janscheurich | I don't have his email... | 15:20 |
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| matrohon | vthapar told me he was the main dev of networking-odl | 15:20 |
| tmorin | isaku.yamahata@gmail.com | 15:20 |
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| janscheurich | thx | 15:21 |
| matrohon | I think doude won't be available all the meeting long | 15:22 |
| matrohon | doude can you tell us the status of the contrail driver | 15:22 |
| tmorin | #topic contrail driver | 15:22 |
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| doude | matrohon: sure | 15:23 |
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| doude | matrohon: I rebased the first PoC version with the master | 15:23 |
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| doude | with last fixes | 15:23 |
| tmorin | I did a review of the last PS | 15:24 |
| doude | tmorin made some review I included | 15:24 |
| tmorin | there is one last thing that's missing, but AFAICT the driver is ready | 15:24 |
| doude | tmorin: yes I'm finishing some tests before answer you reveiw | 15:24 |
| tmorin | (check on delete_net_assoc) | 15:24 |
| tmorin | doude: ok :) | 15:24 |
| doude | tmorin: yes | 15:24 |
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| doude | I'm on it | 15:24 |
| tmorin | :) | 15:25 |
| matrohon | pep8 is failing too | 15:25 |
| tmorin | next topic ? backports ? | 15:25 |
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| matrohon | yep | 15:25 |
| tmorin | #topic backports | 15:25 |
| tmorin | I have *great* news | 15:25 |
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| tmorin | mestery has just created backport branches in networking-bgpvpn | 15:26 |
| tmorin | thanks mestery | 15:26 |
| mestery | \o/ | 15:26 |
| matrohon | champagne | 15:26 |
| tmorin | backport/kilo and backport/juno | 15:26 |
| enikher | +1 | 15:26 |
| doude | nice | 15:26 |
| matrohon | great | 15:26 |
| enikher | ok then ignore the commits I have pushed today | 15:26 |
| tmorin | it means the pending backport patches can now be submitted in the right branch (e.g. git review backport/kilo ) | 15:26 |
| enikher | I will push them again on kilo branch | 15:27 |
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| matrohon | enikher, +1 | 15:27 |
| tmorin | enikher: yes, you can "abandon" them | 15:27 |
| matrohon | doude, can you push your patch to the juno branch | 15:27 |
| doude | I did the job to backport on Juno and I pushed it on a review to store it until the branch is ready | 15:27 |
| tmorin | doude: you can possibly cherry-pick enikher changes into backport/juno | 15:27 |
| doude | ok | 15:27 |
| tmorin | at least some of the changes will be common | 15:28 |
| doude | I did not tested it with a driver which use the db layer (ie: bagpipe) | 15:28 |
| matrohon | shouldn't we first tag the liberty release | 15:28 |
| doude | I'm not sure migration script will work correctly | 15:28 |
| matrohon | and backports branches should be based on the commit of the tag | 15:28 |
| tmorin | matrohon: we don't need to | 15:28 |
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| tmorin | backport branches have been created from our current master head, and patches will be applied on these branches only | 15:29 |
| tmorin | no impact on liberty targetted work | 15:29 |
| matrohon | ho ok | 15:29 |
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| matrohon | so let's tag this as RC at least :) | 15:29 |
| tmorin | doude: enikher has done some work to make kilo/liberty migration work | 15:29 |
| tmorin | doude: don't know if it will work for juno | 15:30 |
| tmorin | matrohon: yes, rc sounds like a proper name | 15:30 |
| doude | tmorin: ok I'll try to cherry-pisk enikher backport before mine | 15:30 |
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| matrohon | I'm not sure how current client code will be compatible with older branches | 15:31 |
| tmorin | matrohon: the thing we need to clarify is how we will work for rc2.. and other liberty releases, in the new stable/liberty branch as currently setup, we won't be able to merge code ourselves, only neutron stable maintainers will be able to | 15:31 |
| matrohon | I think we should first propose the change to stable, and then, if accepted backport it to our backport branches | 15:32 |
| tmorin | matrohon: the best idea wecame up with is to require people to use a liberty-version of python-neutronclient, even with kilo or juno on the server side | 15:33 |
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| janscheurich | tmorin: so perhaps we should not use stable branches for the time being | 15:33 |
| matrohon | tmorin, make sense, but this client might have incompatibuility with older branches | 15:33 |
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| janscheurich | until we really have a stable release | 15:33 |
| tmorin | janscheurich: yes, I agree, but as I understand the release process currently involves the creation of a stable-something branch | 15:34 |
| tmorin | tmorin: I've started to write an email for openstack-dev to explain what problems we have and what answers we need | 15:34 |
| janscheurich | OK | 15:34 |
| tmorin | tmorin: all/many projects under the neutron stadium have the same issue | 15:35 |
| tmorin | e.g.: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078702.html | 15:36 |
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| tmorin | tmorin: the key point being that, since we want to add features in releases between openstack releases, our stable branches shouldn't be named stable/liberty or stable/mitaka, and we need a different way to express which openstack release a said stable branch is targetting | 15:37 |
| matrohon | we shuold us requirement.txt | 15:39 |
| enikher | do we realy need to do that. openstack releases are already quite often | 15:39 |
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| tmorin | enikher: 6 month is not really "often" | 15:39 |
| tmorin | it may be frequent enough once networking-bgpvpn is mature | 15:40 |
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| enikher | espacialy if we have to maintain the old branch | 15:40 |
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| tmorin | enikher: we don't necessarily want to advertise that, not for all releases | 15:41 |
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| tmorin | enikher: releasing a new driver, adding router associations, adding static routes, are things we may want to not wait for openstack releases ticks | 15:42 |
| enikher | ok | 15:43 |
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| tmorin | other topics ? | 15:44 |
| pcarver_ | API documentation | 15:45 |
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| tmorin | #topic API documentation | 15:45 |
| tmorin | go ahead paul :) | 15:45 |
| pcarver_ | There's an ongoing effort to convert WADL to Swagger, but we didn't do WADL so I don't think it makes sense to start there. | 15:45 |
| pcarver_ | I'm trying to figure out whether we can go directly to Swagger but I don't quite understand the documentation I've found so far. | 15:46 |
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| pcarver_ | I'm thinking I may continue with what I started, just updating and reformatting the RST to begin with | 15:46 |
| pcarver_ | but I wanted to share the URL in case anyone else wants to take a look | 15:47 |
| pcarver_ | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/liberty/api-site.html | 15:47 |
| tmorin | pcarver: even without something like wadl or swagger, any improvement will be useful | 15:47 |
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| pcarver_ | From what I understand, the intent is to generate API documentation directly from the Python code. I just don't see exactly how it works or whether there are requirements for the Python to be written in a particular way. | 15:48 |
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| pcarver_ | It's possible that I'm just misunderstanding what I've read, but I think it's more that the docs team is more focused on the WADL conversion at this point. | 15:48 |
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| matrohon | I makes sense taht we maintain the API doc, if this is the final goal | 15:49 |
| matrohon | in our own repo | 15:49 |
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| pcarver_ | Ok. I'm going to continue with that. Been out of town at OPNFV and OvS meetings, but it's still on my list. | 15:50 |
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| matrohon | I think the lib mention parses the code to extract comment | 15:51 |
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| matrohon | and generated swagger output | 15:51 |
| matrohon | so nothing should be done for us, except valuable comments on the plugin API :) | 15:52 |
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| matrohon | pcarver_, Thanks for the link we should follow this effort | 15:52 |
| pcarver_ | matrohon: I think so. I didn't see specific examples. | 15:52 |
| tmorin | +1 | 15:52 |
| pcarver_ | But I think the long term idea is that the API spec would be encoded into the Python source, probably as you say in comments or docstrings | 15:53 |
| matrohon | that's what I understand too | 15:53 |
| tmorin | pcarver: in the meantime, having something easy to understand for people starting with the project, will be very useful | 15:53 |
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| pcarver_ | I'll keep looking for specific examples but update the RST file in the mean time | 15:54 |
| matrohon | we should have a dedicated job to see if the output of the lib is correct | 15:54 |
| tmorin | anything else before we're out of time ? | 15:55 |
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| matrohon | ok, let's close the meeting earlier | 15:56 |
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| matrohon | thanks everyone | 15:56 |
| matrohon | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 17 15:56:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone ! | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-11-17-15.02.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-11-17-15.02.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-11-17-15.02.log.html | 15:56 |
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| hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 17 16:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
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| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-11-17_1600_UTC | 16:00 |
| eliqiao | o/ | 16:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:00 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 16:00 |
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| Kennan | o/ | 16:00 |
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| rpothier | o/ | 16:00 |
| dimtruck | o/ | 16:00 |
| yolanda | o/ | 16:00 |
| eliqiao | o/ | 16:00 |
| vilobhmm1 | o/ | 16:01 |
| muralia1 | o/ | 16:01 |
| bradjones | o/ | 16:01 |
| eghobo | o/ | 16:01 |
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| Tango | o/ | 16:01 |
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| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting eliqiao dane_leblanc rlrossit Kennan rpothier dimtruck yolanda vilobhmm1 muralia1 eghobo Tango | 16:01 |
| muralia1 | hi everyone | 16:02 |
| juggler | o/ | 16:02 |
| Kennan | hi | 16:02 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| tbh | o/ | 16:02 |
| hongbin | Adrian Otto is travelling this week. Hongbin Lu is the temp chair. | 16:02 |
| hongbin | any other announcements from team member? | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | K. Let's move on | 16:03 |
| hongbin | #topic Container Networking Subteam Update (daneyon) | 16:03 |
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| hongbin | It looks daneyon is not here | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | K. Let's move on for now | 16:04 |
| hongbin | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:04 |
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| bradjones | hi | 16:05 |
| bradjones | biggest addition this week is the containers create | 16:05 |
| bradjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242410/ | 16:05 |
| bradjones | needs another +2 so if someone can get round to that, will be appreciated | 16:05 |
| bradjones | still blocked on the BayModel work waiting for next release of the python-magnumclient | 16:06 |
| bradjones | although it has been blocked for a while so I might just remove the code the is dependent on the new version | 16:06 |
| bradjones | and we can put it back in as another patch at a later date | 16:06 |
| bradjones | just to keep things moving | 16:06 |
| bradjones | that's all from me | 16:06 |
| hongbin | bradjones: K. I can follow up with Adrian for the release of magnumclient | 16:06 |
| bradjones | hongbin: thanks | 16:06 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin follow up with Adrian Otto for the release of python-mangumclient | 16:07 |
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| hongbin | Any question for bradjones ? | 16:07 |
| Tango | Is there a road map? | 16:07 |
| Tango | on what's planned for mitaka? | 16:08 |
| bradjones | Tango: not yet, although that would be a sensible thing to sit down and figure out | 16:08 |
| bradjones | I can take on that | 16:08 |
| Tango | Sounds good, thanks bradjones: | 16:08 |
| bradjones | no problem | 16:09 |
| hongbin | Thanks bradjones | 16:09 |
| hongbin | Let's move on | 16:09 |
| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:09 |
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| hongbin | none | 16:09 |
| hongbin | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review | 16:09 |
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| hongbin | 1) Essential Blueprint Updates | 16:09 |
| hongbin | We are working on identifying a list of essential blueprint for Mitaka | 16:10 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-magnum-planning | 16:10 |
| hongbin | If you have features that needs to included in Mitaka, please create a bp and add it to the eterpad | 16:10 |
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| hongbin | The eterpad will be presented to the PTL (Adrian Otto) to review | 16:11 |
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| hongbin | Any further discussion for this topic? | 16:11 |
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| eliqiao | hongbin: when will feaure frezze? | 16:12 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: do we have a feature freeze? | 16:12 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: we don't have feature freeze for liberty | 16:12 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: not sure yet for Mitaka | 16:12 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: we will decide before the release | 16:13 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: okay, thx. | 16:13 |
| muralia1 | do any of these blueprints cover the issue where heat redeploys the entire stack with updates? or should i create a new one for it? | 16:13 |
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| hongbin | muralia1: please feel free to create a bp for it. I don't think it is covered | 16:13 |
| muralia1 | ok | 16:13 |
| Tango | muralia1: Can you elaborate? | 16:14 |
| Kennan | seems stack-update has been implemented before | 16:14 |
| muralia1 | tango: this has mainly to do with the token thats passed in for TLS. when that changes over time, heat redeploys the entire stack. | 16:14 |
| hongbin | muralia1: A solution is to switch to SoftwareDeployment resource in Heat | 16:15 |
| Tango | muralia1: ok, this seems related to one of my problem, I would like to follow up on this. | 16:15 |
| hongbin | muralia1: SoftwareDeployment is designed for this use case (not replacing the server when the configs update) | 16:16 |
| muralia1 | hongbin, tango: ah, i'd like to discuss that with you some more. maybe after the meeting? | 16:16 |
| hongbin | muralia1: sure | 16:16 |
| Tango | muralia1: yep | 16:16 |
| Kennan | muralia1: like to hear the details, maybe bp related | 16:16 |
| muralia1 | my approach is different right now. so lets talk. | 16:16 |
| Kennan | ok. will check chats later. as time is late in china. muralia1 | 16:17 |
| muralia1 | sure | 16:17 |
| hongbin | Thx. Any other blueprint related discussion? | 16:17 |
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| hongbin | K. Let's move on to the next session | 16:18 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:18 |
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| hongbin | We have several items to discuss in this session | 16:18 |
| hongbin | Let's discuss them one by one | 16:19 |
| hongbin | 1) Continue Networking Subteam meetings? (daneyon) | 16:19 |
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| hongbin | Again, it looks daneyon is not here. Anyone else want to discuss this topic? | 16:20 |
| * eliqiao zzzz~~~ | 16:20 | |
| Tango | It seems daneyon is the only implementing network feature so far. | 16:20 |
| Tango | Is there more work down the road? | 16:20 |
| Kennan | Tango: did they hold weekly meeting ? I think so | 16:20 |
| Tango | or is the work winding down? | 16:21 |
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| dane_leblanc | There's probably more work, but it can probably be covered in this Magnum/container meeting | 16:21 |
| Kennan | hi dane_leblanc: are you working on that network part? | 16:22 |
| Kennan | noticed you also have related patch | 16:22 |
| dane_leblanc | Partly... helping Daneyone some | 16:22 |
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| Tango | ok, so maybe we can discuss during the normal Magnum meeting for now, and reconvene the submeeting if needed. | 16:23 |
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| Tango | but leaving that to daneyon to decide | 16:23 |
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| hongbin | Tango: agree. It really depends on daneyon | 16:24 |
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| Kennan | +1 | 16:24 |
| hongbin | If he needs the submeeting, we could continue to do that. | 16:24 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin follows up with Daneyon for the submeeting discussion | 16:24 |
| hongbin | OK. Next one | 16:25 |
| hongbin | 2) Do we support Docker 1.9? Stability vs Latest Features (daneyon) | 16:25 |
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| hongbin | Anyone else want to discuss this topic (besides Daneyon)? | 16:25 |
| Kennan | I like to involve docker 1.9, most related with docker volume support | 16:25 |
| Kennan | but also docker 1.9 seems have issue in docker community, I not sure if it is well supported in k8s | 16:26 |
| Tango | It's probably a good idea to have one stable image and one image for latest features | 16:26 |
| eliqiao | Tango: +1 | 16:26 |
| Kennan | yes, Tango: like to build it | 16:26 |
| Kennan | if possible | 16:26 |
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| Tango | And migrate the latest one to stable over time | 16:26 |
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| hongbin | Tango: could we consider the *-5 image is the stable one? | 16:27 |
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| eliqiao | hongbin: seems it's the only one we supported. | 16:28 |
| Tango | hongbin: I think so. Maybe we should have a naming scheme so that it's easy to identify which is which | 16:28 |
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| Kennan | yes, only if atomic have release newer | 16:28 |
| eliqiao | better to have CI test some specify iamge. | 16:28 |
| Tango | Then people won't wonder which is stable and which is latest | 16:29 |
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| eliqiao | Tango: I remember that we can add version in atomic image ? | 16:29 |
| hongbin | Tango: Sure. Maybe we could document it: like which one is table, which one is cutting-edge | 16:29 |
| eliqiao | Tango: such as /etc/release .. | 16:29 |
| Tango | eliqiao: That's a good idea | 16:30 |
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| juggler | hongbin: You mean table or stable? | 16:30 |
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| hongbin | juggler: yes :) | 16:30 |
| Tango | hongbin: Right, maybe in a Readme file on the fedora site | 16:30 |
| daneyon_ | o/ | 16:31 |
| Kennan | do we need build build new image to enable /etc/release ? or just edit heat templates for magnum specific tags | 16:31 |
| hongbin | Hey daneyon_ | 16:31 |
| juggler | yes means..table or stable? :) | 16:31 |
| hongbin | juggler: stable | 16:31 |
| juggler | thx | 16:31 |
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| Tango | Kennan: Not sure what you mean | 16:32 |
| Kennan | right now, the 5-image notb have /etc/release | 16:32 |
| Kennan | right? | 16:32 |
| Tango | Kennan: Right | 16:32 |
| Kennan | if we have /etc/release, do we need build new image ? Tango: | 16:32 |
| hongbin | Tango: eliqiao : To be clear, enable /etc/release can discover the version inside the image right? | 16:33 |
| hongbin | Tango: eliqiao: I think what is missing is discovery the version outside the image (e.g. in glance) | 16:33 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: yes. | 16:33 |
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| Tango | Kennan: I guess I can just edit the current image without changing the binaries. | 16:33 |
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| Tango | Kennan: /etc/release is just text, right? | 16:34 |
| Kennan | a directory | 16:34 |
| Kennan | a file | 16:35 |
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| Tango | ok, I will look into this | 16:35 |
| hongbin | Thx Tango | 16:35 |
| Kennan | not very sure. Tango: like to know | 16:35 |
| hongbin | Personally, I am OK with a new image for docker 1.9 | 16:36 |
| hongbin | Anyone wants to work on that could submit a review | 16:36 |
| hongbin | Then, we could download the patch to test the new image | 16:36 |
| Kennan | hongbin: do you mean build new image for 1.9? | 16:36 |
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| hongbin | Kennan: That is my understanding | 16:36 |
| Kennan | I like ot try, will check with Tango: | 16:37 |
| Kennan | seems Tango knows more about it | 16:37 |
| hongbin | We have a stable image for docker 1.8. We need to build a new image if we want to upgrade to 1.9. | 16:37 |
| Tango | Egor suggested building a new one with Kubernetes 1.1 with Docker 1.9. I am looking into this. | 16:37 |
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| Kennan | OK if Tango is working on this I 'd like to follow his further progress | 16:38 |
| hongbin | OK. Any further discussion on this topic? | 16:38 |
| hongbin | Let's move on | 16:38 |
| hongbin | 3) Issue on browsing history of renamed file/folder (hongbin) | 16:38 |
| hongbin | I want to raise the issue that Github doesn't support full history of renamed file | 16:39 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: it's related with this patch #link https://review.openstack.org/245680 | 16:39 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: yes | 16:39 |
| eliqiao | daneyon_: just commented , he want to do rename. | 16:39 |
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| hongbin | So, here is the issue. If you rename a file with "git mv", the history of the file get disconnected somehow | 16:40 |
| hongbin | You can browse a history of a file using "git log ..." | 16:40 |
| hongbin | That won't work if the file renamed | 16:41 |
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| hongbin | In CLI, you can work around by using "git log --follow ..." | 16:41 |
| hongbin | That is not supported in Github | 16:41 |
| hongbin | The question I am going to ask is if we should avoid rename file? | 16:42 |
| Kennan | hongbin: what's other projects do with that? I think rename is common action | 16:42 |
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| eliqiao | Kennan: hongbin they just do the rename. | 16:42 |
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| hongbin | Kennan: I am not sure other projects. Renaming is definietly a common action | 16:42 |
| eliqiao | at leaset, nova does. | 16:43 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: ack | 16:43 |
| daneyon_ | IMO renaming a file or dir should be done if it makes good sense. | 16:43 |
| eliqiao | s/leaset/least | 16:43 |
| Tango | Should we ask around to see if there is a work-around? | 16:43 |
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| Tango | This is a pretty fundamental problem, hard to see that everyone just lives with it | 16:44 |
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| daneyon_ | renaming is definitly a common issue that we need to support. | 16:44 |
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| hongbin | Sure, we could ask for advice from other projects | 16:45 |
| hongbin | Then, let's defer this topic for now? | 16:45 |
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| Kennan | hi https://github.com/openstack/magnum/commits/master/magnum/templates | 16:45 |
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| Tango | We can follow up next week | 16:46 |
| vilobhmm1 | yes we should do that…may be a mailing list thread would be better | 16:46 |
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| vilobhmm1 | hongbin : ^^ | 16:46 |
| juggler | stumbled upon this...maybe it might be mildly useful? *shrug* https://silverdrs.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/why-git-is-sometimes-more-gitty-than-any-other-git-you-are-about-to-ever-encounter/ | 16:46 |
| Kennan | seems I can find history not sure if it is what you said the issue | 16:46 |
| hongbin | vilobhmm1: sure | 16:46 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin starts a ML to discuss the renamed file issue | 16:47 |
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| hongbin | Let's move on. We have several other things to discuss | 16:47 |
| hongbin | 4) Optimize fedora-atomic images used for tests: generate a dib image (yolanda, mordred) | 16:47 |
| yolanda | hi | 16:47 |
| mordred | heya | 16:47 |
| hongbin | Hi yolanda | 16:47 |
| yolanda | so we were working last week on adding integration between shade and magnum | 16:47 |
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| yolanda | and we found a problem, that is , enabling magnum plugin in devstack, requires to download that fedora atomic image, that is over 800mb | 16:48 |
| yolanda | that causes the testing to be quite expensive, and we were wondering about how to optimize it | 16:48 |
| mordred | yup. downloading 800M images over the open internet == recipe for failure | 16:48 |
| yolanda | mordred proposed to generate the image using diskimage builder, so wanted to raise the topic here | 16:49 |
| Tango | yolanda: You mean building the image dynamically? | 16:49 |
| mordred | yah. greghaynes_ and yolanda have both volunteered to do the work on dib to enable it to do the job | 16:49 |
| Kennan | I remembered Tango mentioned that before in summit, try disimage build with ubutu | 16:49 |
| mordred | Tango: more, be able to generate it in infra and upload it to tarballs.o.o | 16:50 |
| mordred | so that it's in a better position for us to be able to cache it or distribute it to our cloud regions or whatnot | 16:50 |
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| Tango | mordred: We discussed this at the last design summit. I opened a BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/ubuntu-image-build | 16:50 |
| mordred | this would be in-line with how the other 'we need an image' projects like sahara and trove deal with their images | 16:50 |
| mordred | Tango: sweet! | 16:50 |
| Kennan | mordred: do you mean build fedora-atomic? | 16:50 |
| yolanda | checking | 16:50 |
| Kennan | or other os diso | 16:50 |
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| mordred | Kennan: either | 16:51 |
| mordred | Kennan: and both | 16:51 |
| mordred | we'd like for diskimage-builder to be _able_ to build both | 16:51 |
| Kennan | I think many heat tempaltes work with fedora-atomic only(except mesos) | 16:51 |
| mordred | because then it'll make the discussion about how to structure jobs a bit easier | 16:51 |
| Kennan | if support other os, heat templates need changes | 16:51 |
| mordred | yah. well, there is no reason dib can't make atomic images | 16:51 |
| mordred | oh - wait - lemme be clearer | 16:51 |
| mordred | we want to make dib able to create either | 16:51 |
| mordred | whether magnum uses fedora atomic or ubuntu is not a thing we have an opinion on | 16:52 |
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| Kennan | mordred: good | 16:52 |
| daneyon_ | will dib be able to create a coreos image too? | 16:52 |
| mordred | we just want to help enable that discussion - and to help enable making sure all th etooling can run in infra that you need | 16:52 |
| Tango | mordred: The reason I am thinking about switching to Ubuntu is because the process for building the atomic image is very complex | 16:52 |
| mordred | daneyon_: I don't see why not | 16:52 |
| yolanda | one thing we will need is to have the requirements , in terms of content, of that image. Is that documented somehow? i mean, include etc, flannel, ec | 16:53 |
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| daneyon_ | Tango what is the process for building the coreos image? | 16:53 |
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| Tango | We don't have one for coreos image, we just download from their site | 16:53 |
| hongbin | daneyon_: CoreOS feature is done by another folk (called diga) | 16:54 |
| daneyon_ | I think it's important that magnum have good support for a micro os. Since atomic is a PITA, I'm +1 on shifting focus to coreos. | 16:54 |
| eghobo | coreos image are immutable by default, you cannot build them ;) | 16:54 |
| mordred | cool. so, at least at this point - if we do work on enabling this stuff in dib | 16:54 |
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| Tango | yolanda: I can help providing the details in the image. | 16:54 |
| mordred | it's at least not a thing people are here opposed to | 16:54 |
| mordred | yeah? | 16:54 |
| yolanda | Tango, thanks | 16:55 |
| mordred | eghobo: I disagree. the coreos people have to build their base images somehow | 16:55 |
| Tango | mordred: Not at all, in fact that's the direction we want to go | 16:55 |
| mordred | eghobo: they are, after all, just bytes on disk | 16:55 |
| Kennan | glad to try ubuntu images when dib made it | 16:55 |
| mordred | Tango: WOOT! yay for collaboratoin | 16:55 |
| juggler | indeed | 16:55 |
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| daneyon_ | Since we are struggling a bit right now to support multiple base os's, I think we should focus on 1 until we can better support multiple. I think it should be a micro os. | 16:55 |
| eghobo | mordred: we can talk about it, i still cannot figure out how to build one ;) | 16:56 |
| mordred | eghobo: :) | 16:56 |
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| mordred | eghobo: yah - I mean, I don't know _how_ :) | 16:56 |
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| * mordred mainly wants for the artifact that magnum needs to boot to be something that can be cached/downloaded from infra servers to reduce chance of internet connectivity test failures | 16:57 | |
| hongbin | Sound like the direction is to figure out how to build atomic image with dib? | 16:57 |
| mordred | hongbin: yah. I think there are a few parallel directions: | 16:57 |
| mordred | hongbin: a) figure out how to build atomic image with dib | 16:57 |
| mordred | hongbin: b) figure out what is needed in an ubuntu image built with db | 16:58 |
| daneyon_ | eghobo I don't necessarily care to build the coreos image or other images. I want to make sure we do a great job of supporting the image. | 16:58 |
| mordred | hongbin: c) figure out coreos | 16:58 |
| eghobo | mordred: I started CoreOS one, it will be basic from CoreOS with couple executable, all other pieces in containers | 16:58 |
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| hongbin | mordred: Thanks for the summary :) | 16:58 |
| hongbin | We have 2 min left | 16:58 |
| mordred | eghobo: so, for coreos, you'd use the downloaded coreos microimage right? that is small enough I could imagine us pre-caching it on image | 16:58 |
| * mordred goes to check on that | 16:58 | |
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| mordred | coreos download is 186M | 16:59 |
| mordred | which is certainly better than 800M | 16:59 |
| daneyon_ | mordred +1 on pre caching the image | 16:59 |
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| mordred | so, if magnum decides to use coreos instead of atomic, I think we can just talk about pre-caching | 17:00 |
| eghobo | mordred: correct, but CoreOS cloud image is 400M | 17:00 |
| hongbin | We are running out of time. Let's wrap up. Overflow at the #openstack-containers channel | 17:00 |
| mordred | eghobo: that's fine - we only have to cache the bzipped thing | 17:00 |
| daneyon_ | lets move the discussion to the magnum irc channel | 17:00 |
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| Kennan | I think we not decice to use coreos now | 17:00 |
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| daneyon_ | bye! | 17:00 |
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| hongbin | All. Thanks for joining hte meeting. Our next meeting is next week the same time | 17:00 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| eliqiao | bye | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 17 17:00:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-11-17-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-11-17-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-11-17-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| juggler | bye | 17:01 |
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| * freerunner summoning kzaitsev_ws | 17:01 | |
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| Nikolay_St | oh | 17:02 |
| Nikolay_St | it's tims | 17:02 |
| Nikolay_St | #startmeeting murano | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 17 17:02:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Nikolay_St. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:02 |
| Nikolay_St | hi all | 17:02 |
| aderyugin | 0/ | 17:02 |
| ddovbii | Hi! | 17:02 |
| Nikolay_St | I'm the chait today. so, sorry for delay :) | 17:03 |
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| Nikolay_St | *chair | 17:03 |
| freerunner | Hey! | 17:03 |
| katyafervent | Hi | 17:03 |
| stan_lagun | o/ | 17:03 |
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| Nikolay_St | here is the agenda for today | 17:04 |
| Nikolay_St | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:04 |
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| Nikolay_St | #topic action items review | 17:05 |
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| Nikolay_St | the first topic is action items review | 17:05 |
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| Nikolay_St | on the last meeting we have only one action item related to kzaitsev | 17:06 |
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| Nikolay_St | and it was related to 'packages visibility' blueprint | 17:07 |
| Nikolay_St | let me check if it was filed | 17:07 |
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| freerunner | Nikolai_St: Kzaitsev_ws in vacation now... | 17:08 |
| Nikolay_St | and I guess it's should be moved to the next meeting since I can't find this bp | 17:08 |
| Nikolay_St | freerunner: I know, so I tried to find this bp | 17:09 |
| Nikolay_St | with no success actually | 17:09 |
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| Nikolay_St | #action ask kzaitsev_ws about "BP for maintaining visiblity of dependencies" | 17:10 |
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| Nikolay_St | or | 17:11 |
| Nikolay_St | we have another action filed to katyafervent | 17:11 |
| Nikolay_St | it's related RTD managing | 17:11 |
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| katyafervent | which one? | 17:12 |
| Nikolay_St | katyafervent: action was "Investigate and find out way of managing RTD" | 17:13 |
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| Nikolay_St | well, team | 17:17 |
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| katyafervent | ok, so we investigated that we have only one option - is to build docs in our CI | 17:17 |
| Nikolay_St | do we have any other topics or I can go straight to OpenDiscussion? Meeting agenda for this week looks kinda obsolete | 17:17 |
| Nikolay_St | katyafervent: ok, good | 17:18 |
| katyafervent | we need to decide, will we do it or not | 17:18 |
| katyafervent | since that would be an extra job | 17:18 |
| Nikolay_St | can we discuss it next week. kzaitsev_ws and sergemelikyan will be available, I guess? | 17:19 |
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| katyafervent | ok | 17:19 |
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| Nikolay_St | #action vote about docs job on murano CI | 17:20 |
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| freerunner | Nikolay_St: katyafervent: So, in this case I will help you with the new job ;) | 17:21 |
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| Nikolay_St | freerunner: sure, we'll need your help if we really need this | 17:23 |
| Nikolay_St | ok, guys | 17:24 |
| Nikolay_St | as I said agenda is kinda obsolete. probably it's agenda for the previous meeting, so I guess we can move to Open Discussion | 17:25 |
| Nikolay_St | #topic Open Discussion | 17:25 |
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| Nikolay_St | does anybody has anything he want to talk about? | 17:25 |
| freerunner | So guys, me and kzaitsev_ws introduced py34 support for the client. | 17:25 |
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| freerunner | Now, this job is green and voting. | 17:26 |
| freerunner | And we removed useless gate with murano-api tests from muranoclient | 17:26 |
| freerunner | Also the job with client functional tests now voting as well. ;) | 17:26 |
| Nikolay_St | freerunner: good news | 17:27 |
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| Nikolay_St | katyafervent: freerunner ddovbii stan_lagun aderyugin any other topics? | 17:33 |
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| freerunner | I think not. We can finish a little bit earlier =) | 17:34 |
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| Nikolay_St | same for me | 17:35 |
| Nikolay_St | bye all | 17:35 |
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| Nikolay_St | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 17 17:36:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-11-17-17.02.html | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-11-17-17.02.txt | 17:36 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-11-17-17.02.log.html | 17:36 |
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| gibi_ | hi everyone | 20:00 |
| gibi_ | #startmeeting nova notification | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 17 20:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova notification)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_notification' | 20:00 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 20:00 |
| gibi_ | hi rlrossit | 20:00 |
| rlrossit | hi gibi_! | 20:01 |
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| mriedem | HI! | 20:01 |
| mriedem | <3 notifications | 20:01 |
| gibi_ | hi mriedem! | 20:01 |
| gibi_ | :) | 20:01 |
| mriedem | rlrossit said you guys were lonely | 20:01 |
| gibi_ | yes, it was a quite place last time :) | 20:02 |
| gibi_ | anyhow, let's get started | 20:02 |
| gibi_ | #topic specs | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs (Meeting topic: nova notification)" | 20:02 | |
| * bauzas lurks | 20:02 | |
| gibi_ | both notification specs has been approved | 20:03 |
| rlrossit | woo | 20:03 |
| gibi_ | thanks for all the comments and help with that | 20:03 |
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| gibi_ | at the moment I don't know about any other specs targeting notifications directly, if there any please tell | 20:04 |
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| gibi_ | I guess it is a no | 20:05 |
| gibi_ | anything else regarding specs? | 20:05 |
| mriedem | i haven't seen any | 20:05 |
| mriedem | if i see things about notification impacts in specs i say they are dependent on the versioned notifications overhaul | 20:05 |
| gibi_ | that sounds reasonable | 20:06 |
| bauzas | I guess all the specs are in the specs etherpad ? | 20:06 |
| gibi_ | bauzas: the two notification related from me are in the etherpad | 20:06 |
| bauzas | coolness then | 20:06 |
| bauzas | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 20:06 |
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| gibi_ | thanks for the link :) | 20:07 |
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| mriedem | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/add-swap-volume-notifications | 20:07 |
| gibi_ | anything else regarding specs? | 20:07 |
| gibi_ | ohh | 20:07 |
| mriedem | looks like that is dependent on the versioned notifications bp, but not marked in lp, i can do that | 20:07 |
| mriedem | which is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/versioned-notification-api right? | 20:08 |
| gibi_ | mriedem: yes. thanks! | 20:08 |
| mriedem | done | 20:09 |
| gibi_ | great | 20:09 |
| gibi_ | if nothing else on specs then lets move forward | 20:10 |
| gibi_ | #topic patches | 20:10 |
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| gibi_ | I published a work in progress patch adding the service status notification | 20:11 |
| gibi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245678/ | 20:11 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit made some fine points there already | 20:11 |
| gibi_ | but more eyes are welcome | 20:12 |
| mriedem | i'm confused | 20:12 |
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| mriedem | bp service-status-notification is the bottom bp | 20:12 |
| mriedem | and versioned-notification-api is dependent on that | 20:12 |
| gibi_ | mriedem: no, it is the first one in the line | 20:12 |
| gibi_ | mriedem: on the summit we agreed that this will be the carrot | 20:12 |
| mriedem | so the dep tree here is correct? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/versioned-notification-api | 20:13 |
| gibi_ | mriedem: for the operators to move to consuming versioned notifications | 20:13 |
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| mriedem | those first 2 look backward | 20:13 |
| gibi_ | mriedem: yes it is correct | 20:13 |
| gibi_ | I also feel that it is confusing but that was the agreement | 20:14 |
| gibi_ | so I started with that | 20:14 |
| rlrossit | gibi_: first we're doing the notification base, and then we'll base the service-status-notification on that base, and then we'll finish the rest of the versioned notifications after that right? | 20:15 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit: yes, this is my plan | 20:15 |
| mriedem | yeah, so i'm wondering what the code changes are for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/versioned-notification-api | 20:15 |
| mriedem | since it looks like some of that infrastructure is in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245678/ | 20:15 |
| mriedem | these should be split up | 20:16 |
| bauzas | +1 | 20:17 |
| mriedem | the versioned-notification-api bits should be in change 1, then the service status stuff should build on that with change 2 | 20:17 |
| gibi_ | mriedem: yes this is the confusing part, that some of the infra we need already for the service status notification. The versioned-notification-api will add documentation, sample generation, and it will transform three notifications instance.update keypair.* and api_fault notification | 20:17 |
| mriedem | i understand the carrot part, and we can approve them in order when we're happy with the service status change | 20:17 |
| bauzas | that should be at least 2 changes | 20:17 |
| gibi_ | Ok, I will split up the current so that the infra is in a separate patch | 20:18 |
| mriedem | just make sure they are in a dependent series | 20:18 |
| gibi_ | s/current/current patch/ | 20:18 |
| rlrossit | gibi_: just create NotificationBase stuff in this change, and have that paritally implementing bp versioned-notification. Then do the service notifications stuff in a dependent patch, with that one on bp-service-status-notification | 20:18 |
| mriedem | "and it will transform three notifications instance.update keypair.* and api_fault notification" | 20:18 |
| mriedem | those conversions should all be separate changes | 20:18 |
| mriedem | well, handle keypair and faults separately | 20:18 |
| rlrossit | which is part of the notifications bp right? | 20:18 |
| gibi_ | mriedem: of course they will be separate dependent patches | 20:18 |
| rlrossit | not service-status-notification? | 20:18 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit: looks like a good plan | 20:19 |
| mriedem | ok, sounds like this is sorted out | 20:19 |
| mriedem | mega patches are not fun to review | 20:19 |
| rlrossit | I'll note this on the review too gibi_ | 20:19 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit: thanks | 20:19 |
| gibi_ | mriedem: I agree | 20:19 |
| gibi_ | I feel we have one thing that we shall discuss regarding the current published implementation proposal | 20:20 |
| gibi_ | currently the notification payload object has an object field pointing to a Service object | 20:21 |
| gibi_ | this makes the version of the payload dependent on the version of the Service object | 20:21 |
| gibi_ | there are pros and cons | 20:21 |
| gibi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245678/2/nova/objects/service.py,cm | 20:21 |
| gibi_ | cons: 1) the payload version needs to be bumped if the Service object is updated | 20:22 |
| rlrossit | gibi_: it actually doesn't | 20:23 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit: doesn't it enforced by some test? | 20:23 |
| rlrossit | now that we do manifest-related backports we don't need to bump that every time | 20:23 |
| rlrossit | they're only enforced if you add a new field or remotable method | 20:23 |
| rlrossit | underlying object changes don't affect it anymore | 20:23 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit: do you have some reference regarding manifest-related backports. I have to check this out :) | 20:24 |
| rlrossit | granted, with that, we can still have the carpet pulled out from underneath us | 20:24 |
| bauzas | gibi_: I don't get a problem with that? | 20:24 |
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| gibi_ | bauzas: the payload is yet another object in the dependency chain that needs to be bumped, somebody refered to this as an update hell in the spec review | 20:25 |
| gibi_ | but honestly I'm also hesitant droping the dependency | 20:25 |
| rlrossit | gibi_: that was me, but now we don't need to worry :) | 20:26 |
| gibi_ | it feels more future proof to keep it | 20:26 |
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| rlrossit | gibi_: here's the dependency removal change | 20:26 |
| rlrossit | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231271/ | 20:26 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit: thanks, I wil check | 20:26 |
| bauzas | gibi_: using version manifests solves the problem, right? | 20:26 |
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| rlrossit | bauzas: I have a long-winded explanation of my concern with this | 20:27 |
| gibi_ | bauzas: it feels like it is less of a problem but I will read that change to understand it better | 20:28 |
| rlrossit | If Service updates to v2.0 and removes some fields, the notification receiver won't be able to know what fields are deleted, because it has no concept of the versioned objects, just the dicts it receives. Because manifest backports only occur within nova, they're dangerous for the listeners outside of nova | 20:28 |
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| gibi_ | rlrossit: Does it mean that only major version update can cause problems? | 20:29 |
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| rlrossit | gibi_: well, major version updates are the only cases in which we delete fields, so it was the easiest counterexample to come up with :) | 20:29 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit: right | 20:29 |
| rlrossit | but in reality, I think that is our only problem | 20:29 |
| rlrossit | because listeners don't care about remotable methods | 20:29 |
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| rlrossit | nor do they care about changes of fields from string to *Enum because the serialized format is the same | 20:30 |
| rlrossit | the last thing would be is if fields are added, they just may not be able to access them because they aren't aware of them | 20:30 |
| rlrossit | but then again if a field is added in like 1.5, the listener may start to expect it. Then if a compute spits out 1.4, the listener will explode again because it's expecting to get 1.5 | 20:31 |
| rlrossit | which would basically require a double implementation of compat code | 20:31 |
| gibi_ | this sounds good to me. If there will be major version change then we can even add some backporting code for a time period for the payload object | 20:31 |
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| gibi_ | rlrossit: so consumers shall not be eager to consume 1.5 to early | 20:33 |
| rlrossit | correct | 20:33 |
| rlrossit | I may just be overthinking this too... I have no idea what consumers actually do | 20:33 |
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| rlrossit | those are just all of the scenarios I have thought of | 20:33 |
| gibi_ | I think if we go out with the versioned implementation and the consumers has problems with the compat code then we can add backporting to nova | 20:34 |
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| gibi_ | but it was intentionally left out from the current scope as there might be no need for it | 20:35 |
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| rlrossit | part of the serialization sends the version with it too, so while it will require paying attention by the consumer, it is possible for them to do their own compat | 20:36 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit: yes, they can do it | 20:36 |
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| gibi_ | rlrossit: I think there are multiple way to handle this so we just need some feedback from the consumer which I guess they will give use as soon as they start consuming versioned notifications | 20:38 |
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| gibi_ | rlrossit: does it sounds good for you? | 20:39 |
| rlrossit | yep sounds good to me | 20:39 |
| mriedem | if you're looking for consumers, ping gordc | 20:40 |
| gibi_ | mriedem: I did some advertising of the spec in ceilometer but I will do it with the patch as well | 20:40 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit: great | 20:40 |
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| gibi_ | anything else regarding the current patch? | 20:41 |
| rlrossit | I'm done | 20:41 |
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| gibi_ | then lets move forward | 20:42 |
| gibi_ | #topic Open Discussion | 20:42 |
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| gibi_ | I have nothing for this topic, do you have anything? | 20:43 |
| rlrossit | nothing other than let me know if you have work you want me to work on | 20:43 |
| rlrossit | I'm guessing most of the work will come when we start converting all of the payloads | 20:43 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit: good point. I think as soon as the infra pieces are done we can split up the conversion work | 20:44 |
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| gibi_ | both instance.update and api_fault are a big piece of work | 20:45 |
| gibi_ | so if you can take one of those then I will take the other | 20:45 |
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| rlrossit | I have no idea what either of those involve, but I'll decide later :) | 20:46 |
| rlrossit | because we need the foundation down first | 20:47 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit: no pressure. :) | 20:47 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit: I agree, fundation first. | 20:47 |
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| gibi_ | OK. anyithing else? | 20:47 |
| rlrossit | I'm done | 20:47 |
| rlrossit | mriedem disappeared | 20:48 |
| gibi_ | I guess he can catch us on openstack-nova or in the review | 20:48 |
| rlrossit | sounds good | 20:48 |
| gibi_ | It feels we are done for today. | 20:48 |
| gibi_ | thank you all | 20:49 |
| rlrossit | thanks! | 20:49 |
| gibi_ | #endmeeting | 20:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 17 20:49:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2015/nova_notification.2015-11-17-20.00.html | 20:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2015/nova_notification.2015-11-17-20.00.txt | 20:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2015/nova_notification.2015-11-17-20.00.log.html | 20:49 |
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