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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 5 15:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| rraja | hi! | 15:00 |
| jasonsb | hi | 15:00 |
| markstur_ | hello | 15:00 |
| dustins | welcome back! | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
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| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | welcome back from tokyo | 15:01 |
| bswartz | (for those of you who went) | 15:02 |
| bswartz | It was a great summit | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | A lot of what we discussed was captured on the etherpads for the sessions | 15:02 |
| bswartz | I will probably send out my own email summary | 15:03 |
| dustins | bswartz: Could you link the etherpads? Or just send the link in the email? | 15:03 |
| bswartz | but we decided that a number of things needed followups | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#Manila | 15:03 |
| bswartz | dustins: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#Manila | 15:03 |
| dustins | gouthamr, bswartz: Thanks! | 15:03 |
| bswartz | oh thanks gouthamr | 15:03 |
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| gouthamr | you're welcome bswartz dustins | 15:04 |
| bswartz | okay so one topic from before the summit | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #topic Decide on read-only access rules as a required feature | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | we were discussing this one before the summit, and it also came up duing the session about export location metadata | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | as far as I know, there is only one driver that has problems with read-only access, and that is the generic driver | 15:05 |
| mkoderer | hello all | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | the problem is limited to CIFS and there is a proposed workaround involving an additional export location | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | so I propose that we make read-only support mandatory for all drivers and document that | 15:06 |
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| ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:06 |
| markstur_ | I had a problem with it on 3PAR NFS but verified a work-around exists. | 15:06 |
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| markstur_ | Also on CIFS I would need to stop using IP in addision to User | 15:06 |
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| markstur_ | addition | 15:06 |
| bswartz | markstur_: IP-based access control is not required for CIFS | 15:07 |
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| markstur_ | so I'd remove and existing feature | 15:07 |
| ganso | bswartz: but is the workaround related to export location metadata? | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | ganso: yes | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | well export location metadata would help you figure out which export location to attach to depending on if you wanted read or write access | 15:08 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: problem of generic driver that it can not have both RW and RO rules for one export | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | okay lets register official stances | 15:09 |
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| markstur_ | but most drivers would still use one export location for both RO and RW | 15:09 |
| bswartz | #startvote Should read-only access be a mandatory feature for all drivers? Yes, No | 15:09 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should read-only access be a mandatory feature for all drivers? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 15:09 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:09 |
| bswartz | #vote yes | 15:09 |
| ganso | #vote yes | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | #vote yes | 15:09 |
| xyang1 | #vote yes | 15:09 |
| mkoderer | #vote yes | 15:09 |
| JayXu | #vote yes | 15:09 |
| markstur_ | #vote yes | 15:09 |
| cknight | #vote yes | 15:09 |
| dustins | #vote yes | 15:09 |
| bswartz | 30 more seconds | 15:09 |
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| vponomaryov | #vote yes | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | #endvote | 15:10 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should read-only access be a mandatory feature for all drivers?" Results are | 15:10 |
| openstack | Yes (10): bswartz, ganso, gouthamr, JayXu, cknight, vponomaryov, markstur_, mkoderer, xyang1, dustins | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | okay that was easy | 15:10 |
| mkoderer | boring | 15:10 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | okay ganso you can update the minimum required features doc | 15:10 |
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| jasonsb | #action ganso: ganso you can update the minimum required features doc | 15:11 |
| ganso | sure, I was waiting for this definition | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | so I think we will go forward with proposed workaround in the generic driver | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | and after we have export location metadata we will discuss exactly how we want to communicate to users about read-only export locations | 15:13 |
| bswartz | #topic Manila DR - Design/Code feedback | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: you're up | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | okay | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | bringing up the DR design.. | 15:13 |
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| gouthamr | I'm hoping some of you have had a chance to look at the design document | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/design/manila-mitaka-data-replication | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238572/ | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235448/ | 15:14 |
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| gouthamr | I was hoping to get some feedback on the code and some situations where we have no clear answers as of now.. | 15:14 |
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| gouthamr | thanks bswartz.. | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: is there a list of open questions you want to get answers to? | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | The questions are here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/design/manila-mitaka-data-replication#FAQs_and_Unanswered_Questions | 15:15 |
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| gouthamr | some of them have assumptions we made while proposing the implementation : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238572/ | 15:16 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: it's confusing to mix the answered and unanswered questions | 15:16 |
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| dustins | gouthamr: Looking at the design doc, I'd change the name of the "replication" extra-spec | 15:17 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: ah true. Will seperate them out.. | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I'll update the doc to split them | 15:17 |
| dustins | Perhaps to something like "replication-type" | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | thank you bswartz | 15:17 |
| * dustins makes a note to reflect that in Gerrit | 15:17 | |
| mkoderer | gouthamr: you are only targeting on AZs replication? What about regions? | 15:17 |
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| gouthamr | mkoderer: yes, currently AZs.. | 15:17 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: inter-region replication is not in scope for this feature | 15:17 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: fine, just for my understanding | 15:18 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: it's clearly a feature we want, but it would look pretty different from intra-region replication | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | bswartz : you will notice that the code currently does not stop replication from being initiated within the same AZ.. | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: we need to add that as a question -- Should we support intra-AZ replication? | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | dustins: Sure.. I agree. | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I say now | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I say no* | 15:19 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: exactly... geo region replication would be an awesome feature for us :) but anyway first step AZs are ok | 15:19 |
| bswartz | but I've heard others make cases for why we should | 15:19 |
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| dustins | bswartz: Perhaps it's something that we can plan on for later, but not for this particular instance | 15:19 |
| dustins | And we should make it clear that this spec is only for inter-AZ replication? | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: sure adding that question. | 15:20 |
| bswartz | dustins: well according to gouthamr intra-AZ is currently allowed | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I would like to disallow it | 15:20 |
| dustins | bswartz: Ah, I gotcha now | 15:20 |
| bswartz | unless we can come up with a clear use cases | 15:20 |
| bswartz | we're talking about replicating to another place in the same AZ | 15:21 |
| bswartz | for testing its clearly simpler to have 1 AZ instead of 2 | 15:21 |
| bswartz | but for real use cases, I'm not sure what the point would be | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: true, the original objective to allow it was testing. | 15:21 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: do we have a clear definition of AZ? do we check if it the same as nova AZ, etc | 15:21 |
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| cknight | bswartz: Well, if your cloud only has 1 AZ… | 15:21 |
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| JayXu | so 1 AZ is only for testing purpose, and real case is to support different AZ? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | xyang1: they're supposed to be the same as nova AZs, but that's not actually enforced | 15:22 |
| bswartz | xyang1: the only thing we enforce is that each m-shr instance is in exactly 1 AZ | 15:22 |
| xyang1 | ok | 15:22 |
| bswartz | and the cinder folks have even discussed the possibility of a c-vol service spanning AZs so we me may need to consider something similar | 15:23 |
| mkoderer | our plan is to enforce the AZ across all the projects (nova, cinder,..) using a Congress policy btw | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | cknight: valid point. bswartz, What if there is only one AZ? | 15:23 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: right, in cinder AZ is just a string currently | 15:23 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: if there's only 1 AZ then you can't use replication | 15:23 |
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| cknight | bswartz: that seems pretty limiting for smaller deployers. | 15:24 |
| bswartz | xyang1: it's a string, but it's stored in 3 places and used for decision making in 2 places | 15:24 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: yes, there is plan to make it really meaningful | 15:24 |
| markstur_ | cknight, +1 for small use cases. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | cknight: smaller deployers won't really have a DR solution then -- which isn't surprising because it's hard to do proper DR at small scale | 15:25 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: i think having replication support within 1 AZ is good for testing | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | of course we when add other forms of replication, such as inter-region or inter-cloud, then we may address those smaller use cases better | 15:25 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: or poc type of deployment | 15:26 |
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| mkoderer | AZ are used for many different things in many deployments.. I would suggest to allow replication within the same AZ too | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | okay so let me try to explain my objection to single-AZ replication | 15:26 |
| bswartz | the AZ is part of the UI for replication | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | you create a share, and you specify the AZ at creation time, and also that you want the share to be replicated (by selecting a share type with replication) | 15:27 |
| bswartz | then you add a replica of that share by specifying the AZ for the replica | 15:27 |
| bswartz | now you have a share with 2 replicas, in 2 AZs, with different export locations in each AZ (because there are actually 2 instances under the covers) | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | if the second AZ is the same as the first AZ, then you just have a bunch of export locations in the same AZ | 15:29 |
| bswartz | and it's tough to test a real failure scenario in that case | 15:29 |
| bswartz | how would you even simulate a failure for testing purposes? | 15:30 |
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| cknight | bswartz: You could take down a single backend to simulate a failure. | 15:31 |
| JayXu | testing with generic driver or vendor storage? | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | cknight: yes and not the entire az bswartz | 15:31 |
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| qeas | Hi, everyone. I am from Nexenta and we are considering making a Manila driver for our backend. I have a question: what is the mandatory requirement for access to share? Is it enough to grant access by user/group or access by IP is mandatory too? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | jayxu: both cases matter | 15:31 |
| bswartz | qeas: please wait until we finish this topic | 15:32 |
| mkoderer | for me all depends on the definition what AZ really means.. because it is sometime just used to group compute hosts together | 15:32 |
| qeas | bswartz: sure, sorry | 15:32 |
| xyang1 | you could have two backends in the same AZ | 15:32 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: yeah I get that different people use AZs differnetly | 15:33 |
| JayXu | xyang1, you mean manila backends? | 15:33 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: however I believe that AZs are *supposed* to represent a failure domain, which is why we limit volume attachment across AZs | 15:33 |
| xyang1 | JayXu: yes | 15:33 |
| xyang1 | I meant you can failover from one backend to another in the same AZ | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | so the use case we're thinking about is a single system failure (of the storage system) | 15:35 |
| bswartz | where the compute and network resources are all fine | 15:35 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: +1, but anyway the questions is if Manila wants to enforce this defintion for this feature :) I am uncertain | 15:35 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz : yes, failure can happen at the specific storage backend | 15:35 |
| bswartz | in that case replication between 2 systems in the same AZ makes sense | 15:35 |
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| JayXu | bswarstz, in vendor storage, it may allow to trigger failover in array side. | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | but I think you have to have a pretty low opinion of your storage system to expect it to fail by itself (in the absence of a real disaster) | 15:36 |
| JayXu | failover a share to the replica | 15:36 |
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| JayXu | we have the command to do the unplanned failover | 15:37 |
| JayXu | sorry, planned failover | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | planned failovers may be a more compelling use case | 15:37 |
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| JayXu | bswartz, as you mentioned, it would be unplanned failover | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | because then we're not talking about disaster recovery, but perhaps maintenance | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | well I guess there is broad support for the idea of intra-AZ replication | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | bswartz : +1 | 15:40 |
| bswartz | let's put it to a vote | 15:40 |
| jasonsb | in my experience storage fails alot (hpc background). this sounds good | 15:40 |
| bswartz | #startvote Should Manila share replication allow 2 replicas in the same AZ? Yes, No, Undecided | 15:40 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should Manila share replication allow 2 replicas in the same AZ? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Undecided. | 15:40 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:40 |
| cknight | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| xyang1 | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| bswartz | #vote undecided | 15:40 |
| jasonsb | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| mkoderer | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| markstur_ | #vote yes | 15:41 |
| u_glide | #vote undecided | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | #vote yes | 15:41 |
| JayXu | #vote yes | 15:41 |
| ganso | #vote yes | 15:41 |
| dustins | #vote yes | 15:41 |
| markstur_ | mkoderer, make it less boring? | 15:41 |
| mkoderer | :) | 15:41 |
| bswartz | jasonsb: white boxes fail a lot, and individual nodes in a clustered system fail a lot, but a correctly designed system should be tolerant to such failures | 15:41 |
| dustins | should being the operative word :P | 15:41 |
| bswartz | 30 seconds | 15:41 |
| bswartz | #endvote | 15:42 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should Manila share replication allow 2 replicas in the same AZ?" Results are | 15:42 |
| openstack | Yes (10): ganso, gouthamr, JayXu, cknight, vponomaryov, jasonsb, markstur_, mkoderer, xyang1, dustins | 15:42 |
| openstack | Undecided (2): bswartz, u_glide | 15:42 |
| bswartz | okay I think the people have spoken | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | #action: gouthamr will update documentation | 15:42 |
| bswartz | gouthamr keep going in the direction you're going with supporting replicas in the same AZ | 15:43 |
| bswartz | also make the design doc clear on that point | 15:43 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: anything else for this week? | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: good stuff.. | 15:43 |
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| qeas | I have a question: what is the mandatory requirement for access to share? Is it enough to grant access by user/group or access by IP is mandatory too? | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | at this point, nothing else.. i hope i can get some reviews to continue to enhance this | 15:43 |
| bswartz | okay great | 15:44 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | okay qeas now we'll answer your questions | 15:44 |
| cknight | qeas: IP for NFS, user/group for CIFS is fine. | 15:44 |
| bswartz | yes, we don't require IP-based access control for CIFS shares -- only user/group based | 15:45 |
| qeas | cknight: okay, thanks | 15:45 |
| qeas | and for NFS - IP is required, right? | 15:45 |
| xyang1 | qeas: you should review ganso's doc and make sure it is clear | 15:45 |
| bswartz | the docs might not be clear on that point because we initially did require IP-based access for CIFs shares and then later we decided that was a bad idea | 15:45 |
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| cknight | qeas: yes | 15:45 |
| xyang1 | ganso: can you provide link | 15:45 |
| bswartz | qeas: yes for NFS shares IP-based access control is mandatory | 15:45 |
| qeas | xyang1: could you give me a link? | 15:45 |
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| ganso | xyang1: sure just a sec | 15:46 |
| bswartz | xyang1: is his doc merged yet? | 15:46 |
| xyang1 | not yet | 15:46 |
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| ganso | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/14/235914/9/check/gate-manila-docs/7c45126//doc/build/html/devref/driver_requirements.html | 15:46 |
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| xyang1 | ganso: I thought it is still in review | 15:47 |
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| ganso | xyang1: it is | 15:47 |
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| mkoderer | docs-draft.. never heard about it.. cool | 15:47 |
| dustins | mkoderer: New one for me too | 15:47 |
| dustins | Neat! | 15:47 |
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| xyang1 | ganso: nice | 15:48 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: that's just the output of a jenkins test job | 15:48 |
| qeas | another question I haid is: does nova have cli command to attach share to instance, like it has for cinder volumes? | 15:48 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: yeah.. but anyway helpful :) | 15:48 |
| bswartz | qeas: not yet, but it may be added in mitaka | 15:48 |
| qeas | bswartz: ok thanks | 15:49 |
| bswartz | qeas: the current design is that the guest has direct network access to the share and doesn't need the hypervisor to be involved at all | 15:49 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: do you have anyone working on it? | 15:49 |
| bswartz | this allows us to support VMs, containers, and bare metal all with a single solution | 15:49 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: I saw that coming up in Sage's talk, good idea | 15:49 |
| bswartz | xyang1: sage said he'd find someone at redhat to work on it | 15:50 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: cool | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | I hope he's able to do that quickly -- I know the nova guys and if there isn't a spec up in the next few weeks it's not happening in mitaka | 15:50 |
| qeas | bswartz: makes sense, I was just thinking of end-user comfort | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | qeas: yes, automating the mount process is very important from and end-user perspective | 15:51 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: ya, getting stuff in nova is not trivial | 15:51 |
| bswartz | but we have multiple approaches for that, not limited to automation through nova | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | alright anything else for today? | 15:52 |
| jasonsb | i have topic | 15:52 |
| jasonsb | attended magnum weekly on tuesday | 15:52 |
| jasonsb | can i go ahead? | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | jasonsb: yeah we have about 7 minutes | 15:53 |
| jasonsb | this is short | 15:53 |
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| jasonsb | i mentioned that manila had an interest in seeking requirements from magnum for mount automation | 15:53 |
| jasonsb | adrian responded first with this: one thing I'm a bit worried about is filesystems as an attack vector | 15:53 |
| jasonsb | adrian: so I'd rather not allow filesystems to be user supplied | 15:54 |
| jasonsb | adrian: I'd like a way for a service provider to "sign" a filesystem | 15:54 |
| jasonsb | adrian: but I'm not even sure if what I want is possible/practical yet | 15:54 |
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| jasonsb | so i think kernel vulnerabilities is something on their minds | 15:54 |
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| jasonsb | then we ran out of time | 15:55 |
| jasonsb | i'll keep attending and gather more requirements | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | so obviously they're thinking about access to non-empty file systems | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | the core manila use case is we give you an empty file system and you store data in it | 15:55 |
| jasonsb | non empty and filesystems perhaps that have been specially crafted to exploit the kernel | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | sharing filesystems between tenants does create opportunities for malice | 15:56 |
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| jasonsb | of course the specially crafted only comes into play if you have genesha etc on the host | 15:56 |
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| jasonsb | so it is pertinent to the automation strategy | 15:56 |
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| jasonsb | bswartz: yes, if you have host with single tenant then this problem goes away i think | 15:57 |
| bswartz | I think our core use case is people mounting their own filesystems | 15:57 |
| bswartz | that needs to be automated and there is no danger in that case | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | the risks of exploits comes from sharing across tenants, not from automating the mount process | 15:58 |
| jasonsb | perhaps. i think his comment speaks to the concern about containers in a multi-tenant environment | 15:58 |
| bswartz | I think that's more of a corner case | 15:58 |
| jasonsb | maybe manila doesn't have a problem, but the scrutiny is there | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | but I realize that containers are bit "special" when it comes to storage | 15:58 |
| jasonsb | i can see it | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | I need to spend more time playing with container solutions and filesystem mounts | 15:59 |
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| jasonsb | you have a host and its running ganesha on host and sending manila into container | 15:59 |
| jasonsb | somebody could craft things to go after the genesha and compromise the kernel | 15:59 |
| bswartz | IMO ganesha wouldn't be running on the same box as a guest container | 15:59 |
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| jasonsb | one of sage's examples did show it this way iirc | 16:00 |
| bswartz | all of our ganesha-related use cases involve a separate bridge machine or running it on the hypervisor with full virtualization | 16:00 |
| bswartz | it would be pointless on a container host | 16:00 |
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| jasonsb | oh | 16:00 |
| jasonsb | maybe it was just knfsd | 16:00 |
| bswartz | yeah... | 16:00 |
| jasonsb | my bad | 16:00 |
| bswartz | anyways we're past time | 16:00 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 16:01 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 5 16:01:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-11-05-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-11-05-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-11-05-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | \o | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 5 16:01:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | hey guys | 16:01 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:01 |
| yottatsa | \o | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | \o/ | 16:01 |
| mwhahaha | hola | 16:01 |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:01 |
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| ogelbukh | hi | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | agenda as usual | 16:01 |
| angdraug | o/ | 16:01 |
| dklenov | hi | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | o/ | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
| ashtokolov | hi | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | \o | 16:01 |
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| rmoe | hi | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic action items from last meeting | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov | xarses will look for additional reviewers to assign to https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/dynamic-dnsmasq,n,z work, python reviews are stalled | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | looks like done | 16:02 |
| angdraug | xarses is not around (on vacation this and next week) | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen will poke QA people to review fuel-devops and fuel-ostf (from 2w ago) | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | yep I did | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | though I didn't check result | 16:03 |
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| kozhukalov | teran will review IPv6 proposal on how it is gonna impact infra https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216787/ (from 2w ago) | 16:03 |
| mihgen | we'll take a look at stalled reviews this week too | 16:03 |
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| teran | kozhukalov: If you looked on that review teran was made it 2 weeks ago | 16:03 |
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| kozhukalov | yes those items from the meeting that was held 2 w ago | 16:04 |
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| angdraug | teran: infra impact in the spec is still way too thin | 16:04 |
| kozhukalov | ok, let's go through our actual agenda | 16:04 |
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| evgenyl | hi | 16:04 |
| yottatsa | I'll update this spec today with new details about vxlan over ipv6 | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic Enhancements Team Status (ashtokolov) | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov | yottatsa: nice | 16:05 |
| ashtokolov | hi | 16:05 |
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| ashtokolov | Enhancements weekly status: Inbox - 65(was 65), In progress - 12(was 14) | 16:05 |
| ashtokolov | On review - 25(was 23), QA - 17(was 16), Done - 16(was 14) | 16:05 |
| ashtokolov | and 13(was 14) to be sorted with Product Management | 16:05 |
| ashtokolov | So Total: 148 (was 146) and Fix committed+Fix released = 33 (was 30) | 16:06 |
| mihgen | can you share major things you are working on? | 16:06 |
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| ashtokolov | sure | 16:07 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen: as far as i know one of the main activities is re-implementing fuel-createmirror in python | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1493520 | 16:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1493520 in Fuel for OpenStack "OpenStack is down after filling the root filesystem" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Alex Schultz (alex-schultz) | 16:07 |
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| ashtokolov | this feature request was one of the most interesting | 16:08 |
| ashtokolov | we found a set of small bugs in rabbitmq | 16:08 |
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| ashtokolov | also we are working on OVS support | 16:09 |
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| mihgen | now it's over? | 16:09 |
| mihgen | #link http://bit.ly/1MKIifc | 16:09 |
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| mihgen | would it be right link to look at all in progress? | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | ashtokolov: what about shotgun? have you managed to invent the right way how to deploy it and use (taking into account docker related stuff)? | 16:09 |
| mihgen | including those which are on review. I filtered using "feature" tag, "in progress" status | 16:10 |
| ashtokolov | #link https://trello.com/b/JlWmptJN/enhancements-team | 16:10 |
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| ashtokolov | please find find our activities here | 16:10 |
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| ashtokolov | kozhukalov we have 2 ideas: | 16:10 |
| kozhukalov | wow, what a nice board | 16:10 |
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| ashtokolov | shotgun can work with logs on master node like on a remote host | 16:11 |
| ashtokolov | but the best one is to use "cp -rs" | 16:11 |
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| kozhukalov | but cp -rs requires shotgun to be installed and run on the host? right? | 16:12 |
| ashtokolov | and we are going to check is it master node to prevent make copy of all log files | 16:12 |
| mihgen | thanks for sharing trello | 16:12 |
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| ashtokolov | we need to use "cp -rs" anyway | 16:13 |
| ashtokolov | because we are going to use templates for diag.snapshot | 16:13 |
| ashtokolov | in this case we need a place to store files before zip it | 16:13 |
| angdraug | time folks | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | yes, | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | ashtokolov: thanks | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | moving on | 16:14 |
| ashtokolov | I can provide additional info next meeting! | 16:14 |
| ashtokolov | sorry for slow typing:) | 16:14 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic Telco Team Status (dklenov) | 16:14 |
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| angdraug | ashtokolov: ML | 16:14 |
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| dklenov | hi folks | 16:14 |
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| ashtokolov | angdraug ok | 16:15 |
| dklenov | Fuel Telco team is actively working on Ubuntu bootstrap feature. The following activities are in progress: | 16:15 |
| dklenov | 1. Spec was finalized and merged. | 16:15 |
| dklenov | 2. Bootstrap creation script enhancements - adding list of installed packages, customization root FS and defining kernel params. Change is on review. | 16:15 |
| dklenov | 3. Fuel menu is being changed. Commits are on review. | 16:15 |
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| mattymo | Thanks for the fuelmenu refactoring patches! | 16:15 |
| dklenov | np | 16:15 |
| angdraug | speaking of fuelmenu... | 16:15 |
| angdraug | https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/videos/presentation/mirantis-openstack-7-0-vs-rhel-osp7 | 16:16 |
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| angdraug | there was some good constructive criticism of it in the linked session in Tokyo | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: thanks for the link | 16:16 |
| mihgen | dklenov: does ubuntu bootstrap already works? what is the plan for automated testing there? | 16:16 |
| angdraug | main problem reported with fuelmenu was that you have to save changes separately on each tab | 16:17 |
| dklenov | angdraug: will take a look at this video | 16:17 |
| mihgen | fuelmenu was mentioned at some other openstack deployment tools comparison session too.. | 16:17 |
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| angdraug | apparently it keeps tripping people up | 16:17 |
| dklenov | we will analyse what is said here, although it might be another feature which is not in scope of ubuntu bootstrap | 16:18 |
| mihgen | dklenov: definitely not - please focus on ubuntu bootstrap )) | 16:18 |
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| angdraug | definitely not in scope of that, just wondering if the refactorings you're doing could make it easier to keep changes state between tabs | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov | any other q on this topic? | 16:19 |
| angdraug | interface naming? | 16:19 |
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| dklenov | mihgen: fresh version is partially working and on review. Automated tests are planned for 3rd iteration | 16:19 |
| angdraug | what's the state of persistent nic naming? | 16:19 |
| dklenov | persistent naming is being implemented by mos-linux team | 16:19 |
| dklenov | it is highly desirable, but still not a must for ubuntu bootstrap | 16:20 |
| angdraug | do you have an alternative solution to nic reordering on reboot? | 16:20 |
| dklenov | no | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | as far as i remember it was quite critical | 16:21 |
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| angdraug | kozhukalov: yup | 16:21 |
| mihgen | dklenov: in terms of UX, can I use centos to start as defaul, but then change my mind and switch to ubuntu when fuel master is already installed ? | 16:21 |
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| dklenov | we do not think that it is worth to implement partial solutions different from biosdevnames | 16:21 |
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| dklenov | they are all not easy and will not give all required functionality | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | ok, guys, moving on? | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | still many other topics | 16:22 |
| angdraug | biosdevname is exactly what I wasking about | 16:22 |
| dklenov | mihgen: no, ubuntu will be default bootstrap | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | maybe we need action to find out what is the status of this persistent naming | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | dklenov: will you figure out this? | 16:23 |
| dklenov | sure | 16:23 |
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| mihgen | dklenov: angdraug: I think we should a way to choose bootstrap image at any time | 16:23 |
| dklenov | in general it is what i said above - is being implemented by mos-linux team | 16:23 |
| mihgen | should have a way * | 16:23 |
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| kozhukalov | #action dklenov will figure out the current status of persistent interface naming (ubuntu bootstrap) | 16:23 |
| dklenov | mihgen: true | 16:24 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic UI team status (vkramskikh) | 16:24 |
| dklenov | there will be bootstrap management tool | 16:24 |
| angdraug | mihgen: yes, at least at the CLI level | 16:24 |
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| vkramskikh | Hi, we continue our work on the new features and all of them are in green state, excluding these two which are in yellow state: | 16:24 |
| vkramskikh | - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/node-groups-network-tab - the change is quite big and it's likely we won't be able to merge it to master with a proper quality, so we'll probably postpone it to the next iteration | 16:24 |
| vkramskikh | - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/webpack - we're still blocked by the build team | 16:24 |
| vkramskikh | And also there is one story code for which is already merged: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/node-groups-in-sorters-and-filters | 16:24 |
| vkramskikh | Any questions? | 16:24 |
| dklenov | you can find it in the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229063/50/specs/8.0/dynamically-build-bootstrap.rst | 16:24 |
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| angdraug | asilenkov: rvyalov: can you share the status on js dependencies package? | 16:24 |
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| rvyalov | we prepare design document for this feature. and we have chnge request with new js module | 16:26 |
| vkramskikh | when can we expect it to be merged? | 16:26 |
| rvyalov | @asilenkov can provide more information about status of package | 16:26 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/241202 | 16:26 |
| angdraug | spec draft ^ is still very much incomplete | 16:26 |
| angdraug | vkramskikh: please make sure that the spec contains enough information for you to accept the package | 16:27 |
| rvyalov | @vkramskikh as i know during this week | 16:27 |
| rvyalov | yes, @vkramskikh please review this design document | 16:27 |
| vkramskikh | sure | 16:27 |
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| angdraug | I don't want us to end up with another temporary solution that we'd have to revisit again in the next release | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | #action vkramskikh will review the spec https://review.openstack.org/241202 to make sure everything is clear and it is enough info | 16:28 |
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| angdraug | moving on? | 16:28 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic Upgrade team status (ogelbukh) | 16:28 |
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| kozhukalov | ogelbukh: around? | 16:29 |
| ogelbukh | we're developing single-cluster upgrade by this spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224302/ | 16:29 |
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| ogelbukh | current plan is to finish API part by the end of iteration and continue with specific deployment tasks and partition preservation in iteration 3 | 16:30 |
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| angdraug | 2 specs in 1 commit? | 16:30 |
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| ogelbukh | angdraug: they are tightly connected to each other | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | yes, a little bit too many | 16:31 |
| ogelbukh | but I can split if necessary | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | everyone, please help to review this (including me) | 16:31 |
| angdraug | if they strongly depend on each other, should be combined instead | 16:31 |
| angdraug | if it's two separate but related pieces of work, should be 2 blueprints, 2 specs, 2 commits | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | 1 spec - 1 epic | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | moving on? | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh | okay, understood | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh | let's move on | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | #topic fuel-specs reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-blueprints-8.0 (angdraug) | 16:32 |
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| angdraug | I went through stuck specs reviews and added reviewers as listed in: | 16:32 |
| angdraug | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-blueprints-8.0 | 16:32 |
| angdraug | SergK asheplyakov mattymo asilenkov agordeev brain461: please have a look and review the specs you're listed against | 16:32 |
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| angdraug | vkramskikh's specs all got merged before I got to them, nice work! | 16:33 |
| angdraug | questions, moving on? | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | no q | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | #topic UI for templated networking and Ironic https://review.openstack.org/225619 https://review.openstack.org/240184 https://review.openstack.org/229879 (angdraug) | 16:34 |
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| angdraug | I'd like to see more opinions on what to do with the spec for UI for templated networking: | 16:34 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/225619 | 16:34 |
| angdraug | it was originally created as part of Ironic integration in Fuel 7.0 | 16:34 |
| angdraug | now there's a separate Ironic UI blueprint: | 16:34 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/240184 | 16:34 |
| angdraug | and a very lively discussion of UI in the early patchsets in the fuel-web commit: | 16:34 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/229879 | 16:34 |
| angdraug | pshchelo is of opinion that the old spec draft can be abandoned | 16:34 |
| angdraug | any objections? is it fully superceded by other outstanding specs? | 16:34 |
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| mihgen | can author abandon it? | 16:35 |
| angdraug | mihgen: yes, if we decide that there's no value in keeping it | 16:35 |
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| angdraug | the question is, is there any value left in that spec? | 16:36 |
| angdraug | vkramskikh: ^ | 16:36 |
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| vkramskikh | I don't think so, AFAIC proper UI for templated networking is the advanced networking blueprint | 16:37 |
| angdraug | ok, then we can abandon | 16:37 |
| angdraug | thanks! | 16:37 |
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| kozhukalov | moving on then | 16:38 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic code review backlog status: http://bit.ly/1Kp8BzM. Status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1497655 ? (mihgen) | 16:38 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1497655 in Fuel for OpenStack "Add reviewers automatically based on MAINTAINERS data" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel DevOps (fuel-devops) | 16:38 |
| mihgen | I just want to highlight review backlog. Not that scary, though a few have no move for over a couple of weeks | 16:38 |
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| mihgen | fuel-main, fuel-ostf repos | 16:39 |
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| mihgen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232099/ | 16:39 |
| mihgen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233431/ | 16:39 |
| mihgen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191759/ | 16:39 |
| mihgen | in particular | 16:39 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen: thanks for bringing this up, I'll review all fuel-main | 16:40 |
| angdraug | monester_laptor: can you comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1497655 ? | 16:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1497655 in Fuel for OpenStack "Add reviewers automatically based on MAINTAINERS data" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel DevOps (fuel-devops) | 16:40 |
| mihgen | can we give action items perhaps? | 16:40 |
| mihgen | nurla: can you please take a fuel-ostf one.. ? | 16:40 |
| mihgen | I don't see tatyana here | 16:40 |
| kozhukalov | #action kozhukalov will review all requests in fuel-main | 16:40 |
| monester_laptor | angdraug: I was working on script before vacation | 16:41 |
| mihgen | ashtokolov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236350/ - this is about fuel-mirror, I suppose your team? | 16:41 |
| kozhukalov | #action nurla will poke tatyana or someone else to review all requests in fuel-ostf | 16:41 |
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| mihgen | monester_laptor: any ETA? | 16:41 |
| monester_laptor | next week | 16:41 |
| mihgen | on script? We really need it... | 16:41 |
| mihgen | ok thanks - let's check status at next IRC meeting then | 16:42 |
| angdraug | kozhukalov: action for monester_laptor please | 16:42 |
| monester_laptor | mihgen ok | 16:42 |
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| kozhukalov | #action monester_laptor will make sure that people from MAINTAINERS are added as reviewers automatically | 16:43 |
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| kozhukalov | is it correct | 16:43 |
| kozhukalov | ? | 16:43 |
| mihgen | yep | 16:43 |
| kozhukalov | moving on? | 16:43 |
| mihgen | I added as a first topic for next week | 16:44 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Multirack status (alex_didenko) | 16:44 |
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| alex_didenko | All the comments in our spec review https://review.openstack.org/230943 have been addressed, so it's ready for reviews and merge. | 16:44 |
| alex_didenko | We've merged almost all patches required for automatic DHCP/PXE re-configuration on admin network changes. Only 2 patches for nailgun left. | 16:44 |
| alex_didenko | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/allow-any-vip is going to take more time than we assumed initially. During this feature implementation it was decided to introduce new API handler for VIPs which would require some additional work/time. Please see this ML thread for details http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078165.html | 16:44 |
| alex_didenko | Our QA engineers are working on tests, some pacthes are on review already. They have also created QA related BPs and linked them to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/l3-multiple-racks, you can see those BPs in section "Testing, QA" of our spec. | 16:44 |
| alex_didenko | done :) | 16:45 |
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| mihgen | thanks | 16:46 |
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| kozhukalov | alex_didenko: nice, thanks | 16:47 |
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| kozhukalov | open discussion? | 16:47 |
| mihgen | for update. I have a q about allow-any-vip, but I'll read email first | 16:47 |
| kozhukalov | #topic open discussion | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | if we started open discussion, I have a question to mwhahaha about fuel deploying community packages | 16:48 |
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| mwhahaha | What's up? | 16:48 |
| mihgen | what are we currently with this, do you have list of to-do items to make it happen? | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | what needs to be done / how? | 16:49 |
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| mwhahaha | At the moment I'm currently trying to get fuel-library working with the upstream manifests to make sure we can actually deploy using those | 16:49 |
| mwhahaha | at the moment it's deploying the fuel master but we have a few issues with some of the OSTF tests | 16:49 |
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| mwhahaha | once we can leverage the upstream modules and pass OSTF, i plan on trying to switch out to use the community packages to see what needs to be modified to support that | 16:50 |
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| mwhahaha | along the same lines zigo has started the work with the upstream to be able to leverage debian packages on top of ubuntu | 16:50 |
| mihgen | excellent | 16:50 |
| mattymo | I have a topic after mwhahaha is ready | 16:50 |
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| mwhahaha | specifically, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241615/ | 16:50 |
| mwhahaha | (that's all i've got at the moment) | 16:51 |
| mihgen | mwhahaha: any eta on this work, even roughly.. ? | 16:51 |
| mwhahaha | hopefully i can get something together next week | 16:51 |
| mwhahaha | it all depends on what landmines i run into when i swap packages | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | would be awesome to have this done in a nearest future, thanks | 16:52 |
| mwhahaha | my current work for the upstream modules themselves is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240325/ | 16:52 |
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| mihgen | mattymo had topic.. ? | 16:53 |
| mattymo | I want to see what the general feeling is on scale-down with regards to purging non-critical entries. That is entries in /etc/hosts, in nova-manage service list, as a start. We don't have any metadata in /etc/astute.yaml on nodes about nodes that are deleted, and I think we should avoid purging _every_ entry not in nodes hash indiscriminately (potential conflict with plugins) | 16:53 |
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| mattymo | so should we include a hash in astute.yaml for node info for deleted nodes? what's the best approach? | 16:54 |
| angdraug | I think we should follow the general openstack policy of not purging data on deleted entities | 16:54 |
| mattymo | I don't think that's a real policy, but more of a side effect | 16:55 |
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| mattymo | angdraug, can you quote anything about this alleged policy? | 16:55 |
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| kozhukalov | probably we continue this discussion about alleged policy somewhere else | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | 3 minutes | 16:57 |
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| kozhukalov | any other q? | 16:57 |
| angdraug | mattymo: I've seen it many times on ML, not sure if it's formalized, I'll look it up | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: could you please share the status of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199232/? are there any news? | 16:57 |
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| angdraug | it's on agenda for TC meeting next Tuesday | 16:58 |
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| angdraug | this week, TC meeting didn't have quorum so it was postponed | 16:58 |
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| kozhukalov | this week i only saw couple of line in irc meeting log | 16:58 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, thanks | 16:59 |
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| kozhukalov | waiting for good news ) | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov | time | 16:59 |
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| kozhukalov | closing meeting, thanks everyone for attending | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 5 16:59:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-11-05-16.01.html | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-11-05-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-11-05-16.01.log.html | 16:59 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 5 17:00:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
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| bknudson | hi | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | busy room! | 17:02 |
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| dstanek | hi! | 17:02 |
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| redrobot | o/ | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20151105-agenda | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | ^ agenda | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | hi dstanek redrobot ! | 17:02 |
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| * redrobot waves at hyakuhei | 17:02 | |
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| hyakuhei | So we’ll give people a minute or two, | 17:03 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 17:03 |
| browne | o/ | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | oh good dg_ is here redrobot you guys can talk killick :P | 17:03 |
| dg_ | hey guys | 17:04 |
| redrobot | hi dg_ | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | netsplit… | 17:05 |
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| tkelsey | fun :( | 17:05 |
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| redrobot | womp womp | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | I think we’ve still got most people here | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | agenda link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20151105-agenda | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | #topic summit roundup | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | So it was a good conference and design summit but it was all a bit compressed imho - thoughts? | 17:06 |
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| tkelsey | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | #chair tmcpeak | 17:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | lots of first timers as well | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah around 50% I heard | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | I’m pleased with security’s contribution | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | thats a good thing in many ways, but can be a problem for in-depth stuff | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: +1 yup | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | next summit I’m pushing for some slots on cross-project and a few more workrooms too | 17:07 |
| bknudson | I wish I could have gotten to more security talks but I was busy with keystone and oslo stuff, too. | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | bknudson: I know what you mean, though they’re all up on youtube now | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | Apart from that guy who didn’t turn up | 17:08 |
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| bknudson | y, I can watch the presentations... not sure if there were a bunch of work sessions I missed. | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Thankfully they didn’t film me improving that bit | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei did an impromptu talk. it was awesome | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | Awesome it was not, impromptu it was | 17:08 |
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| tkelsey | ;) | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko is on vacation this week but we have some interesting things to discuss around that on-cloud auth framework | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | and the instance user stuff | 17:09 |
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| bknudson | that's the one I should have been at. :( | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | So any feedback on our presence at the summit? The overall feedback I got was that more developers need to know about us and what we do | 17:10 |
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| tkelsey | hyakuhei, I would agree with that | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | any general direction of how we should try to do that? | 17:10 |
| bknudson | the developer summit was separated from the conference so it was hard to get to the presentation | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | #topic increasing visibility | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | we have our outreach, but it seems like we might have to be at more openstack targetted events too? | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | bknudson: +1 | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | One possibility is gatecrashing the other projects IRC meetings | 17:11 |
| bknudson | plus there were work sessions all the time. | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: that's a good idea | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | I was thinking we can aim to drop something in during their AOB sections in the agenda | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | grab an intro to security team slot for each project? | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | yeah | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | cool, I like it | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | We can boilerplate some talking points | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, and chop up the meetings | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | bandit adoption :) | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | FAQ style | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: yes, we should be more aggressive with this now | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | (bandit) | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | agreed | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | seems like we've got some good traction with oslo | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | that's awesome | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Great | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: is that around the auto gen conf stuff? | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, but Cyril in general seems to be really going to get Bandit integrated with the OSLO properties | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | sorry, we can talk about that in the bandit section :) dont want to derail | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | No that’s fine | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | ok so, just have a think | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | especially guys who wear multiple hats like bknudson redrobot etc | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | how can (should) the security project better serve your project | 17:14 |
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| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | sounds good | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | irc, email feedback etc all welcome | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | btw did you guys do the flyers ? | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah! | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | awesome, how'd they come out? | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | They looked great thanks to Michael | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | sweet, great work michaelxin | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | yup, they were very cool | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | yeah I basically forced them on people, put them on all the design session tables, all through the dinner hall etc | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | We should do something similar at the next summit | 17:16 |
| dg_ | stickers | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | guerrilla marketing status | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Any more thoughts on visibility before we move forward | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | dg_: and T's | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | quick check, anyone lurking here because of flyer? | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Basically we need security project swag | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | we should be able to bang something up pretty easy | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: +100 for swag | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | seems like michaelxin already has good graphics and stuff | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | michealxin seems to have a friendly graphics person | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | heh +1 | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | ok, lets roll onto the next topic | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | #topic ML sunsetting | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak | :( | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | As you all know we should use openstack-dev for everything | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | we are going to move openstack-security to being a notification list | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | I for one dislike the ML workflow | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | so bugs etc will land there but you won’t be able to post to it | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei have you figured out a sane way of using Outlook with it? | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | fungi knows the magics that are required, I’ve been through the mailling list manager thing but couldn’t work it out nicely | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: basically no | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | hah, o | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | k | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | try not to top-post, try to keep line length in check | 17:19 |
| bknudson | sounds good to me. | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | but everyone is pretty accepting of messy ML lists because so many people use outlook etc | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | my neck-beard level isn't high enough to proficiently use ML | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | mutt ftw | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | but I don’t use mutt | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, bandit? | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | sure | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | #topic bandit | 17:20 |
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| fungi | ahh, right, i need to sync up with you on the ml changes | 17:20 |
| fungi | thanks for the reminder | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | so tkelsey and I are really pushing baseline feature hard | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | we've got an initial version which works for a gate | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | so basically we can introduce voting gate jobs that will check against the last commit and if you're adding something Bandit doesn't like it will fail | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | this is something we're doing internally now but once it's stable we'll try to get them rolling in upstream project gates also | 17:21 |
| * hyakuhei needs to step out for 4-5 minutes, tmcpeak can you keep the meeting moving along | 17:21 | |
| tkelsey | effectively its a delta check | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | yep, will do | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | so we pushed 0.15.1 recently | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | actually 0.15.2 | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | we're iterating a little faster than normal because we're rolling out internal gates | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | the upshot is that this work should be contributed upstream fairly soon too | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | so security wins for everybody | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: you have anything to add? | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | can you summarize action items from Tokyo for Bandit? | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | I can, one sec and i'll link the pad | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | so, i wanted to cover some future looking stuff, but it turned into a 101 really | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-mitaka-worksession-bandit | 17:23 |
| browne | tkelsey: yeah about 30 min went to 101, ha | 17:24 |
| tkelsey | however, we had good attendance and plenty of interest | 17:24 |
| tkelsey | heh browne yup | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | cool, what are top priority action items? | 17:24 |
| tkelsey | a bit of a shame, but with so many first timers at the summit I guess it's to be expected | 17:24 |
| tkelsey | the turn out was a good sign in general though | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | the config file stuff came up a lot | 17:25 |
| browne | i think the highest priority is the bandit.yaml impact on other projects. this continues to come up over and over | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | browne: +1 | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | I don't see that as a shame at all | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | yup | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | new users is awesome | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: they are, but it was suposed to be a design session | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | we didn't get to actually talk over any design stuff lol | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak | ahh fair enough. Wasn't it only you two though? | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | oh you three | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | you, browne, bknudson | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak | at any rate… config seems to be throwing people for a loop | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | yeah, we need to get that fixed up in a sane way | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | Cyril has a tool that will help generate configs, but it seems we need to fix up our config situation sooner than later | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | certainly before 1.0 | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | also some more automatic tooling around releases was discussed | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | you guys think we'll get new developers, users, or both? | 17:27 |
| tkelsey | bandit running on adopted projects in it's own gate and using the baseline stuff to check for new issues etc | 17:27 |
| bknudson | next time maybe try to get a regular conference presentation or cross-project on bandit | 17:27 |
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| browne | i like the baby step of just providing a command line option to specify plugins on the command line instead of creating a profile | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | we could use some new active developers... | 17:27 |
| tkelsey | browne: +1 | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | it could be nice to offer both options | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | if folks want to generate a config that's fine | 17:28 |
| browne | tmcpeak: yep you could do both | 17:28 |
| tkelsey | there was talk of renaming/aliasing the tests with an easy to handle ID, the way hacking/flake8 do | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | honestly.. we used to have the "exclude" feature from profiles which seems like it is what people want, but I think we got rid of it | 17:28 |
| bknudson | I don't know if it's going to work on upgrade to use the config generator. It was a lot of work for me before on the last upgrade. | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah, we should definitely do that | 17:29 |
| bknudson | I couldn't have used the config generator for it. | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: how come? | 17:29 |
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| bknudson | well, maybe... I'll think about it. | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:29 |
| bknudson | I'd have to exclude all the new tests initially | 17:29 |
| tkelsey | bknudson: what are you concerns ? | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | we shouldn't rathole on Bandit anyway | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | let's move along, we can synch up in #openstack-security later | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | sound good? | 17:29 |
| tkelsey | ok bknudson lets take it to the sec room later | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Anchor | 17:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Anchor (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:30 | |
| tmcpeak | roll it | 17:30 |
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| tkelsey | not much to report on anchor, some validators for CA roles have been made none-optional | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | mhayden you around? | 17:30 |
| tkelsey | we reviewed a bunch of patches in Tokyo, just trying to recall | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | seems like mhayden's suggestion on ML for a simple CA deployment made a lot of sense and had nice Anchor tie-ins | 17:31 |
| * mhayden is here now | 17:32 | |
| mhayden | this utc business got me this week | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | mhayden: want to describe what you did on ML? | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | yeah same here | 17:32 |
| mhayden | wait, what did i do on the ML? ;) | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | you were discussing an out of the box simple CA | 17:33 |
| mhayden | right right | 17:33 |
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| tmcpeak | that was interesting and is worth a few minutes to synch up on IRC I think | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | #topic mhayden's idea | 17:34 |
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| mhayden | long story short, openstack-ansible generates different self-signed certs for various services | 17:34 |
| mhayden | if a user doesn't provide their own | 17:34 |
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| mhayden | one of the ideas is to make a CA for the user (by default) and issue certs off that CA | 17:34 |
| mhayden | a user could provide their CA as well and we could issue certs off that | 17:34 |
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| mhayden | it came up when i tried to configure rsyslog tls logging and realized that cert trust is req'd by rsyslog | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | so the current behavior, I assume, is that the auto-generated self signed certs are not trusted, right? | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | oh yeah so I replied to that thread :) | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: figured it's worth a few minutes to synch on this in real time | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | for sure, good call | 17:35 |
| mhayden | gettingna ca together would make things easier and could allow us to remove a bunch of silly repetitive code within osa | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | So anchor just gives you a nice way to do localized certificates | 17:35 |
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| hyakuhei | you can have it use it’s own root or provide it one | 17:36 |
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| mhayden | that might be good | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | that sounds like it might be what we want for this use case, yeah mhayden? | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | write “validators” so it only gives out certificates of a certain type or to certain entities | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | that or something like that | 17:36 |
| mhayden | someone suggested IPA (with dogtag) but that seems ultra-heavy | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | hah | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | ^ That’s why Anchor is a thing | 17:36 |
| * mhayden woots | 17:36 | |
| hyakuhei | Biggest thing is that anchor uses passive revocation | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | because actual revocation doesn’t work | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | so generally issues certificates for short-lifetimes | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | mhayden: I’d be very happy to work with you on using anchor for this | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | mhayden: what do you need to go forward with this? | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | so would tkelsey :) | 17:37 |
| mhayden | in this particular scenario, recvocation isn't critical | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | Ansible playbook to set it up? | 17:37 |
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| tkelsey | mhayden: yup yup | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | also #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ZhrQq-_YM | 17:37 |
| mhayden | tmcpeak: essentially -- if we deployed anchor in a container and used it to issue certs, that might be good | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | for anchor/passive rev background | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | ^ if that's a rick-roll I'm going to be upset | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | lol tmcpeak | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | mhayden: I think hyakuhei et. al already have Anchor set up in a container | 17:38 |
| mhayden | never gonna give you up | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei has a docker conf for it i think | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | yeah | 17:38 |
| dg_ | yeh, and i think there is a vagrant build for it too, although that may now be broken | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | so it sounds like we have most of the pieces to get this working now | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | what's the best way to get it done? | 17:39 |
| dg_ | the vagrant one may be relevant, because thats built with ansible | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/anchor/tree/README.md | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey/hyakuhei want to synch with mhayden offline and JFDI? | 17:39 |
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| tkelsey | dg_: +1 | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | sure thing tmcpeak | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | sweet! | 17:39 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei mhayden yup yup | 17:39 |
| mhayden | are there some good docs on making a simple ca with anchor? | 17:40 |
| tkelsey | the readme is quite good | 17:40 |
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| tkelsey | #link https://github.com/openstack/anchor | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | mhayden: It’s pretty trivial, it’s just a pecan service, the readme should cover it, if it doesn’t join up then we can help | 17:40 |
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| tkelsey | and also improve our readme lol | 17:41 |
| mhayden | alrighty | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | mhayden so from your perspective it would just be a playbook to deploy anchor and then get certs for the whatever is necessary? | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | *for whatever is necessary | 17:41 |
| dg_ | tmcpeak thats what i would expect | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | mhayden: I suspect Anchor will work well for this | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | but dg_, tkelsey, and hyakuhei can help with whatever | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | would be a cool use for Anchor IMO | 17:43 |
| dg_ | +1 happy to help out | 17:43 |
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| tmcpeak | allright moving along | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Sec-Guide | 17:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sec-Guide (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:43 | |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: whatup | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | ;) no sicarie | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | time shift got him it seems | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | I predict sicarie in 10, 9, 8 | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, it gets a few people | 17:44 |
| mhayden | tmcpeak: yes, step 1 would be to get it deployed in a container w/ansible | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | mhayden: ok cool, let us know how to help | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | no sicarie it seems | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Cool, so we have a Dockerfile for it, actually two depending on how often you want to rebuild i.e devving | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | It’s all in the Readme :) | 17:45 |
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| tmcpeak | tada | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: sec guide update? | 17:46 |
| sicarie | Nope | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | lawl | 17:46 |
| sicarie | Waiting on some merges | 17:46 |
| sicarie | final +2's | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: I’ll take a look tonight | 17:46 |
| sicarie | Trying to get it set so I can build pdf (probably through sphinx) and push to lulu | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | sell some berks? | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: that would be good | 17:47 |
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| tmcpeak | allright if nothing else we'll move to recruiting | 17:47 |
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| tmcpeak | aight | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Security Recruiting | 17:48 |
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| tmcpeak | I'm sure not much has happened here bc of summit fun and all that | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | but... | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | let's get this rolling | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei, dg_ can you guys try to slot some stuff this week? | 17:48 |
| sicarie | I think I'm planned for something about a month from now | 17:48 |
| dg_ | what now? | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | recruiting | 17:48 |
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| tmcpeak | ideally one security meetup, one openstack meetup, one college meetup | 17:49 |
| dg_ | hyakuhei we could get a poster at discover... | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | Sure, we can try to find some | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | browne: I'll be back in the bay in a month so I'm going to start trying to book events for us, seems reasonable? | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | do you have an etherpad or something for tracking? | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-project-recruiting | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: you set anything up? | 17:50 |
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| redrobot_mobile | There's a security meetup here in SA I could probably do some recruiting at. | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | redrobot_mobile: that would be awesome! | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | I think michaelxin was looking at doing some as well | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | you guys could team up or divide and conquer | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | either way is good | 17:51 |
| bknudson | tmcpeak: nope, need to get in touch with organizer of the meetup | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:51 |
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| redrobot_mobile | I'll ping michaelxin about tag teaming in SA. | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | here's the deck link again: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13GG47EdoQCBEGqMe7ji_UzfO9okMTLgbnK5_UpoaXYA/edit?usp=sharing | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | I do really want to get these moving, so I'm going to set some up in the bay | 17:52 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, anyhow | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:53 |
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| hyakuhei | Trying to put together a mid-cycle with Barbican | 17:53 |
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| tmcpeak | ahh cool | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: Do you remember the proposed date? | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | security + Barbican? | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | that would be cool | 17:53 |
| redrobot_mobile | The week before mitaka-2 | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | Mon-Tues->Weds Barbican. Weds->Thurs->Fri Security | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | or other way around etc | 17:54 |
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| redrobot_mobile | Jan 11-15 | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | which date? | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | ahh cool | 17:54 |
| dg_ | that would be cool | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | how should we get that going? | 17:55 |
| redrobot_mobile | I'm currently looking into funding for my team. We have a bunch of options for location. | 17:55 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: time to get the etherpad started for it then? | 17:56 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah, I’ve been chatting with redrobot_mobile about it | 17:56 |
| redrobot_mobile | hyakuhei 's preference would be the APL in Laurel, MD | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | wut | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: Yeah I don’t see why not, get people to start thinking about the date, topics etc | 17:56 |
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| tmcpeak | Laurel, MD? | 17:57 |
| redrobot_mobile | Another option would be Seattle | 17:57 |
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| tmcpeak | seems reasonable ;) | 17:57 |
| dg_ | +1 for Laurel | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | can't recommend Maryland in the winter | 17:57 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah so we’re working through the options :) | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | allright cool, at any rate that should be fun | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | I think that’s about time, I’ll put an etherpad up and follow up on docs for sicarie and anchor for mhayden | 17:58 |
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| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | Cheers all! | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | have a good week everybody | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 5 17:59:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-11-05-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-11-05-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| tkelsey | thanks all | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-11-05-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:15 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 5 19:15:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:15 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:15 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | sorry team, got confused with the daylight savings time switch | 19:16 |
| tonytan4ever | 0/ | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Rollcall | 19:16 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:16 |
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| cathR | o/ | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Recap | 19:19 |
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| amitgandhinz | well looks like the last two meetings were skipped =/ | 19:20 |
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| malini | o/ | 19:21 |
| tonytan4ever | I remember we skipped last one. | 19:21 |
| malini | sorry - the clock change messed me up | 19:21 |
| tonytan4ever | Yeah | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | messed us all up =P | 19:22 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Mitaka Cycle | 19:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka Cycle (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:22 | |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/mitaka | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, so i did some grooming and released and closed out the liberty cycle blueprints | 19:22 |
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| amitgandhinz | and moved the open ones to mitaka | 19:22 |
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| amitgandhinz | this series i want to follow the new way that is supported in big tent where we do intermediary releases instead of the m-1, m-2, m-3 milestone releases | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | it feels more natural to the way the team works | 19:23 |
| malini | +1 | 19:23 |
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| amitgandhinz | i still need to reset the priorities on those blueprints though | 19:24 |
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| amitgandhinz | they look out of whack right now | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | and i will remove the milestones that have currently been assigned | 19:24 |
| tonytan4ever | sounds good to me | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | ok priorities set correctly | 19:26 |
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| amitgandhinz | so tonytan4ever, updates on the SSL blueprints? | 19:27 |
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| amitgandhinz | there are 3 of them which really look like duplicates of each other | 19:27 |
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| tonytan4ever | I'd say still keep them in good progress state | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | will do | 19:29 |
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| tonytan4ever | I will need to finish dedicated cert/ shared-san/ and shared-wildcard | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:29 |
| tonytan4ever | Cool | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: do you know what state this bp is in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/security-testing | 19:30 |
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| malini | amitgandhinz: its in progress - but its an ongoing thing | 19:30 |
| malini | it wud be like 'Add unit tests' | 19:31 |
| malini | :/ | 19:31 |
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| amitgandhinz | add unit tests for security testing? | 19:31 |
| malini | well - know | 19:31 |
| malini | no | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | can you add more details to the bp of what is still required to be added? | 19:31 |
| malini | grr.. | 19:31 |
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| malini | What I meant is Adding new security tests will be an ongoing thing | 19:32 |
| malini | we'll need new ones as we have new endpoints | 19:32 |
| malini | So I dont really see this bp as ever being done :/ | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | at some point this bp has to be called done | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | do we have the ones we need for the existing endpoints? | 19:32 |
| malini | except for the most recently added endpoints | 19:33 |
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| malini | we are covered | 19:33 |
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| amitgandhinz | then lets add to that bp that we need to add sec tests for the new ones we added | 19:33 |
| malini | ok | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | so then we know what is remaining | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | if we have coverage for everything that is current then we can close the story, and just make it part of our done done criteria to always add sec tests | 19:34 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok i updated the work items to reflect whats done and remaining | 19:36 |
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| malini | i would like to work on this with kolla https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/gate-api-tests | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | assigned | 19:37 |
| malini | thx | 19:38 |
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| amitgandhinz | I also just pulled in the horizon plug in work which is something that sriram has expressed interest in doing at some point | 19:38 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, anything else to talk about regarding blueprints for the M release? | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:40 |
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| amitgandhinz | Any open discussion items? | 19:40 |
| tonytan4ever | I am good for right now. | 19:40 |
| malini | me too | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | #action amitgandhinz to add the poppy talk link to the wiki page | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | ok thanks everyone | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 5 19:41:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-11-05-19.15.html | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-11-05-19.15.txt | 19:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-11-05-19.15.log.html | 19:41 |
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