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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 27 15:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:00
cknightHi15:00
zhongjunhi15:00
xyang1Hi15:00
marksturhi15:00
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dustins\o15:00
bswartz#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings15:00
ganso_hi15:00
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bswartz#topic liberty-3 status15:01
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bswartz#link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/liberty-315:01
bswartzstuff is merging!15:01
u_glidehi15:01
bswartzthanks to all the reviewers helping with reviews and the submitters for rebasing like crazy15:01
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bswartzwe have a week left until feature freeze and a lot of things to merge still15:02
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bswartzI'll just remind everyone to follow the blueprint priorities when doing reviews15:02
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bswartz#topic Compression capability15:03
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bswartz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214485/15:03
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zhongjunI find some vendor are also support compression capability, such as netapp, huawei, etc.15:03
zhongjunso I add the compression capabilitie in common capabilitiy doc.15:03
zhongjunlink: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214485/.15:03
zhongjunThe main question is do we agree on these compression capabilitie is "common".15:03
bswartzpersonally I think compression makes sense as a common capability, and the docs update looks fine to me15:04
bswartzmy -2 was just to keep it from merging before this meeting15:04
marksturIt's a simple name "compression" and simple boolean value so there shouldn't be much argument about that15:04
bswartzanyone have a different opinion?15:04
bswartzis this proposal the same as what cinder has?15:05
cknightbswartz: There are different types of compression, but those can be handled in vendor-specific extra specs, no?15:05
bswartzyeah I think "compression" is certainly a cross-vendor concept15:05
marksturcknight, Sure there might be vendor specific additions15:05
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cknightbswartz: sure, but some can do inline compression, others do it as a background job15:06
bswartzindividual vendors may have special sauce compression methods which could be handled by vendor scoped extra specs15:06
cknightbswartz: ok15:06
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bswartzI think the essential fact about compression is that it depends on thin provisioning15:07
bswartzjust like dedupe15:07
xyang1bswartz: Cinder has a common capability named compression as well15:07
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bswartzokay I don't know if this need any more discussion then15:07
zhongjunyes15:08
bswartzall are welcome to review the patch15:08
bswartzI've changed my -2 to a +215:08
zhongjunThanks15:08
bswartz#topic Microversions bug15:08
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bswartz#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/148862415:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1488624 in Manila "Microversions do not protect new clients talking to old servers well enough" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Clinton Knight (clintonk)15:08
bswartzso when we implemented microversions we missed one essential element of the nova implementation15:09
bswartzthe base URL in nova changed from /v2/ to /v2.1/15:10
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bswartzif we don't also change our base URL, then new clients supporting microversions that talk to old servers not supporting microversions will get wrong behavior15:10
bswartzwe need to decide if we want /v1.1/ or /v2/ to be the URL for the "first microversion"15:11
bswartzif we choose /v2/ then we can simply go back and renumber all the versions which have been added to start at 2.015:11
dustinsPersonally I think the microversions change could warrant a rename to /v2/15:12
bswartzand in the release notes we can explain that v2 is really the same as v1, but because we've added microversions we'll never need a v315:12
ganso_bswartz: +115:12
dustinsbswartz: +115:12
bswartzI like v2 more than v1.1 just because it's shorter and v1.1 looks silly as we add 1.2, 1.3, etc15:12
dustinsagreed15:12
cknightbswartz: +115:13
bswartzanyone prefer 1.1 or something else?15:13
bswartzif no one is opposed then we'll go ahead and fix this bug by introducing the v2 URL15:14
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cknightbswartz: an alternative is to drop the version in the URL altogether, but that could confuse people15:14
bswartzcknight: I think we need something15:14
bswartzanything else I can think of is longer not shorter15:15
cknightbswartz: I can make the changes to the server, and cfouts is making the client changes.15:15
cknightbswartz: I don't understand the Keystone stuff, though.15:15
bswartzokay I don't hear any disagreement15:15
dustinsif you need someone for the Tempest changes, I could do that15:16
bswartz#agreed microversions support will be under /v2 and versions will be renumbered from 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 to 2.0, 2.1, 2.215:16
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bswartz#topic open discussion15:16
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bswartzthat's the whole agenda15:16
bswartzanyone have something else?15:16
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dustinsThe cli documentation stuff...15:17
dustinsDo you want that in the upstream guide?15:17
bswartzdustins: I think someone is doing updates to tempest to support microversions15:17
dustinsbswartz: sounds good!15:17
bswartzdustins: yes in the upstream guide15:17
dustinsbswartz: You got it, I'll make sure to put it up there15:17
bswartzokay thanks all15:18
bswartzI'm sure you all want to get back to review hell and rebase hell....15:18
manila-newbiei was wondering about networking ... in one of the presentations I saw it mentioned that manila needed a flat network.  I was wondering if that is still the requirement or if that has changed15:18
dustinsreview all the things!15:18
bswartzso I'll give you back 41 minutes15:18
bswartzmanila-newbie: let's talk about it in the regular channel15:19
manila-newbieokay thanks15:19
bswartz#endmeeting15:19
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xarses#startmeeting fuel16:00
xarses#chair xarses16:00
xarsesTodays Agenda:16:00
xarses#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 27 16:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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openstackCurrent chairs: xarses16:00
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xarsesWho's here?16:00
kozhukalov_\o16:00
angdraugo/16:00
evgenylHey16:00
akislitsky__hi16:00
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sboghi all16:01
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angdrauglets start?16:02
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xarsesok, lets get started16:02
xarses#topic Fuel branching strategy (angdraug)16:02
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angdraugI have summarized the discussion of the Fuel branching strategy on openstack-dev:16:02
angdraug#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072762.html16:02
angdraugcomment period ends tomorrow, if you have concerns please catch up on the thread and respond NOW16:02
angdrauginitial agreement on the thread is that we do short 2 week feature freeze in 8.016:02
angdraugthis will allow us to start decoupling Fuel release cycle from MOS and move closer to OpenStack dates16:02
angdraugwe can't align to OpenStack release schedule in 8.0 because we'll have a late start16:02
angdraugbut if we open master branch early, we can start Mitaka support for 9.0 early enough16:02
angdraugthoughts?16:02
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xarsesseems good16:03
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kozhukalov_looks good to me16:04
kozhukalov_2 weeks is not so long16:04
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angdraugI think we won't be able to follow the OpenStack dates exactly, but we should have a relatively small lag behind Puppet OpenStack and RPM/DEB packaging projects16:04
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xarsesya, it should be helpful16:05
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xarsesok, moving on then16:05
angdraugyup16:06
xarses#topic Plan for puppet-librarian for 8.0 (mwahaha)16:06
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mwhahahaAs we approach the start of 8.0 we are going to continue our migration of modules to leverage librarian for upstream modules within fuel-library.16:06
mwhahaha#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-puppet-librarian16:06
mwhahaha#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/fuel-puppet-librarian,n,z16:06
mwhahahaWe have put together the list of modules, their upstream repositories and various differences from the existing version we synced with and what actually lives within fuel-library today.16:06
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mwhahaha#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-librarian-repos16:06
mwhahahaAs part of preparation for 8.0, we have already begun to get these modules synced over to fuel-infra so that we can beging the module cutover to librarian.16:06
mwhahaha#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/148756816:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1487568 in Fuel for OpenStack "additional repos for puppet modules for librarian" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Sergey Otpuschennikov (sotpuschennikov)16:06
mwhahahaWe are going to primarily focus on the OpenStack puppet modules as the main set of modules that must be cut over by the end of 8.0. With the help of Ivan Berezovskiy, we have begun to create MOS-8.0 branches based on master for the OpenStack modules.16:06
mwhahahaOur goal is to try and have this branch be as close as possible to master. We will be manually synchronizing from master -> MOS-8.0 on a regular basis. Once we have stabilized for liberty, we will need to cut a tag that we will be using for the Puppetfile (hopefully prior to FF).16:06
mwhahahaAt the moment the modules that have most diverged from upstream and will be the most problematic are rabbitmq, mysql, corosync, haproxy, rsync and mongodb. We will be working towards getting these trued up but they currently are not as high of a priority to the OpenStack puppet modules which we will be attempting to migrate to first.16:06
mwhahahaI am planning to review the list of modules and their upstream differences and will be compiling a list for the OpenStack Puppet mid-cycle next week in hopes that any outstanding requests can be addressed at that time. Our goal should be to work in the upstream first, and only diverge if we absolutely must.16:06
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mwhahahaend wall o' text16:06
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sbogHow we will deal the cases when changing of upstream module needed for bug fixing?16:07
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mwhahahain terms of new version?16:08
angdraugsbog: a branch on review.fuel-infra.org16:08
sbogYep16:08
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mwhahahawe can update the puppetfile with the new tag or us a branch & custom tag via fuel-infra16:08
angdraugworst case, we can refer a sha1, ideally it should always be a tag16:08
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sbogok, got it, thanks16:08
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angdraugmwhahaha: or do you plan to always have integration tags on fuel-infra?16:09
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mwhahahaideally I would like to use the actual upstream tag version16:09
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angdraugyeah, I'm asking about a fall-back case16:10
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mwhahahaI think it depends on timing and the fix itself16:10
angdrauge.g. upstream master or stable has the commit but it's not tagged yet16:10
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angdraug#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/Library_and_Upstream_Modules16:10
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mwhahahai would use an '<upstream version>-mos' tag until the new upstream release is cut16:11
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angdraugI think best practices section in ^^^ will need an update16:11
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mwhahahayes it most likely will as we work on this and find what works and what doesn't16:11
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angdraugmwhahaha: can't move a tag, so it has to be more specific than *-mos16:11
mwhahaha*-mos-#16:11
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mwhahahadoesn't have to16:11
angdraugyes, that would work16:11
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mwhahahawe need to see how many times we run into this before trying to over engineer it16:12
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angdraugtrue16:12
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angdraugALL: note the mention of Puppet OpenStack mid-cycle irc meetup next week16:12
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angdraugif you've got a commit on review that we need to land in order to move a module to librarian, watch for the Fuel session in the meetup16:13
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angdraugmoving on?16:13
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mwhahahasure16:13
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xarses#topiv Brief report on bug status in Fuel (adidenko)16:14
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xarsesalex_didenko: ^16:14
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alex_didenkojust a brief report on the current state16:15
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alex_didenkoOpen bugs in library: 15, on review: 5, avg review wait: 20hrs16:15
alex_didenkoOpen bugs in python: 10, on review: 7, avg review wait: 18hrs16:15
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xarseshow does the burn down rate look?16:16
angdraugalex_didenko: what is the churn rate (how many are opened/closed every day)?16:16
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angdraughaha )16:16
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alex_didenkowell, it's hard to share burndown in IRC16:16
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alex_didenkobut we're still above the guide line16:17
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angdraughow about fixed per day / opened per day?16:17
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alex_didenkothe numbers are different, but the trend is positive, for instance on the last week: 62 incoming, 78 outgoing16:18
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alex_didenkothis week so far 40/5116:18
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angdraugso roughly 10-25 per day on average16:18
alex_didenkothose are only crit/high16:18
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angdrauglooks like we're in good shape for HCF then16:19
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alex_didenkoyep16:19
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alex_didenkowe managed to handle the problem with high amount of in progress bugs, so thanks to all how did a good job on code review16:20
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alex_didenkoI guess that's it from my side16:20
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xarses#topic Throw away local ubuntu mos repo from the master node in 8.0 (kozhukalov)16:21
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kozhukalov_today we had a discussion about removing debug packages from16:21
kozhukalov_the MOS mirror we put on the master node https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217590/16:21
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kozhukalov_it would safe about 600MB of place on the ISO16:21
kozhukalov_but to me it looks much more attractive to avoid having MOS mirror on the master node16:21
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kozhukalov_it immediately allows us to avoid building DEB packages together with ISO16:21
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kozhukalov_the only obstacle to remove building deb package during building ISO is custom_iso jobs16:22
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xarsesdon't we build packages for the fuel-library still?16:22
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kozhukalov_yes, but fuel-library is also built by perestroika16:23
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kozhukalov_and we can just take all those packages from online repository16:23
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kozhukalov_we upgrade public MOS link every 6 hours16:24
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angdraugsounds good to me16:24
kozhukalov_so once a change is merged it is going to become available in several hours16:24
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angdraugI agree that it's 8.0 scope, too late for 7.016:24
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kozhukalov_sure it is too late for 7.016:25
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kozhukalov_ok, we then will keep this in our scope16:25
angdraugsince we're out of agenda and have time, can you catch us up on fuel build cleanup plans for 8.0?16:25
xarsesseems good here16:26
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kozhukalov_1) will continue to split fuel-web into separate projects16:27
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kozhukalov_for example UI is going to become the first one after HCF16:27
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angdraugfuelmenu and shotgun are my personal favorites there :)16:27
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kozhukalov_2) will re-work fuel upagade script so we can put it into package and avoid having upgrade tarball16:28
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kozhukalov_3) will integrate centos image build script into fuel-agent (like for ubuntu currently)16:29
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kozhukalov_4) move building docker images package to perestroika16:29
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kozhukalov_5) and of course stop building packages both rpm and deb together with iso16:30
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kozhukalov_all packages will come the mirrors built by perestroika16:30
kozhukalov_these are plans16:31
angdrauglooks simple enough :p16:31
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kozhukalov_re-working upgrade tarball is not so simple16:31
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kozhukalov_because we need to get rid of some approaches we have been using since the beginning of Fuel project16:32
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angdraugat least it has unit tests16:32
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angdraughow long do you think it's going to take?16:33
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kozhukalov_python code is not a problem at all, the upgrade approach is a problem16:33
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kozhukalov_we usually put rpm and deb repos into upgrade tarball16:34
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kozhukalov_and the we mark this tarball by build id16:34
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kozhukalov_but it totally contradicts with package based approach16:34
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kozhukalov_how long do you think it's going to take? - depends on the rate of discussions16:35
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kozhukalov_3-4 weeks ago I sent e-main about getting rid of version.yaml16:36
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kozhukalov_to throw it away, we need to make available some info from this file via other sources16:37
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kozhukalov_like for example sha commits can be easily substituted by rpm -qa16:37
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kozhukalov_we can throw away api version16:38
mihgensorry I just joined, but I have an opinion - all needs to be flexible. If some will want to have that repo on an ISO, fine - just allow it in a build system16:38
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angdraugnot sure rpm -qa by itself is enough to substitute sha commits16:38
kozhukalov_mihgen: why?16:38
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mihgenkozhukalov_: why to keep an option to have openstack packages on an ISO?16:39
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angdraugonly if we begin enforcing recording of commit ids in the rpm changelogs16:39
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kozhukalov_angdraug: it can, because the package version contains the number of commit as its part16:39
angdraugmihgen: you missed the part where it was only abug *-dbg packages16:39
kozhukalov_and package itself contains the info about sha16:39
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angdraugthat's what I'm saying: package only contains git sha if spec committer has put it there, no?16:40
mihgendisregard my message then16:40
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kozhukalov_mihgen: yes, i don't see any reason why we need to put this repo on the ISO, anyway we can not deploy ubuntu nodes w/o ubuntu mirror16:40
kozhukalov_the same for mos16:41
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kozhukalov_angdraug: my topic started from discussing dbg packages16:42
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kozhukalov_angdraug: but my suggestion is to use only online mos repo16:42
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kozhukalov_we don't need this local repo on the master node by default16:43
angdraugok, I missed that part16:43
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kozhukalov_if one needs to have local repo, it can use rsync or fuel-createmirror script16:44
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kozhukalov_s/it/he/16:44
angdraugin that case mihgen's question is still valid: why not make it a build time option to include mirrors in the iso?16:44
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xarsesangdraug: +1216:45
xarsesangdraug: +1 even16:45
xarsesthe downstreams tend to make use of this16:45
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angdraugideally, use fuel-createmirror for that16:45
kozhukalov_because it is more complicated to deal with this stuff16:45
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xarsesand would allow for an inhouse to have repos16:45
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angdraugso that the default ISO has no mirrors, and you use fuel-createmirror to create them later16:46
mihgenfolks it should be just flexible. Ideally, user would have all-in-one thing if he wants16:46
xarseswhich is a noted problem people have with the change16:46
mihgenso we just need to allow this.16:46
angdraugbut you can pre-cook the result of running fuel-createmirror into the ISO if you wanted16:46
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kozhukalov_we don't need this logic both in our default deployment flow as well as in our upgrade procedure16:46
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mihgenit should be part of artifact-based build system flexibility16:46
angdraugnot in upgrade procedure, just an option that custom iso builders can use16:47
xarseskozhukalov_: we dont need it16:47
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mihgenwe need to be able to have as well as separate pieces and modules built, or the all things on one iso16:47
xarsesbut our users very much do16:47
kozhukalov_mihgen: anyway a user does not have all in one thing16:47
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kozhukalov_ubuntu repo is online anyway16:47
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mihgenkozhukalov_: true. But I'd like this to evolve at some point16:47
mihgenand have debian support16:47
xarseskozhukalov_: which alot of people can't work with16:48
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kozhukalov_mihgen: i agree about artifact based approach16:48
xarsesI hear many complaints about it16:48
mihgenand an option to get all upstream community DEB pacakges on ISO to get offline install16:48
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mihgenand so instead of introducing limitations, just make it flexible. We can focus on one needed use case for now though16:48
mihgenand then evolve as needed. But design should allow flexibility.16:49
kozhukalov_once it is available and once we have mature tool to deal with any artifacts the same way, it is not gonna bring additional complexity16:49
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angdraugkozhukalov_: package repo mirror is an artifact, too16:49
kozhukalov_angdraug: yes16:50
angdraugwhy not have a) job to build it with fuel-createmirror; and b) an option in the build to add it into the iso?16:50
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kozhukalov_good example is fedora-release package16:50
angdraughow so?16:50
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kozhukalov_it just configures /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo16:51
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kozhukalov_or we can even put repo into artifact16:51
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angdraugthat's what I'm suggesting16:52
kozhukalov_let say into rpm package for simplicity16:52
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angdraugsure16:52
kozhukalov_i mean the way to deal with repo must not differ from the way how we deliver other components16:53
angdraugnot as elegant as letting the artifact based build system recognize yum/apt repos as their own artifact types, but as a first iteration, sure16:53
kozhukalov_that level of flexibility is ok, but having yet another variable in our make scripts does not look like flexibility, but rather complexity16:54
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kozhukalov_5 minutes16:55
kozhukalov_do we have any other stuff to discuss16:56
xarses_fun, bad internet connection...16:56
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xarses_my exact thoughts16:56
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xarses_ok, I will cose the meeting16:57
xarses_thanks all16:57
xarses_#endmeeting16:57
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xarses_#chair xarses_16:57
xarses_fun, i guess not16:58
kozhukalov_looks like bot is dead16:58
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xarses#endmeeting16:58
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tmcpeako/17:00
tmcpeak#startmeeting security17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 27 17:00:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'security'17:00
hyakuheio/17:00
tmcpeak#chair hyakuhei17:00
openstackCurrent chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak17:00
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hyakuheiHey everyone :)17:01
timkennedyo/17:01
elmikoheyo/17:01
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hyakuheiThanks for kicking off tmcpeak17:01
brownehi17:01
yayasalut17:01
tmcpeaksure, np17:01
dave-mccowan\o17:01
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tkelseyo/17:01
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hyakuheiOk...17:02
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hyakuheiSo Agenda17:02
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hyakuheiI haven't seen much going on with Bandit or Anchor17:02
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hyakuheiMid-Cycle obviously17:02
tmcpeakBandit is quiet before the storm17:03
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tmcpeakI'm anticipating going nuts on it next week, want to do other things in life first :P17:03
tmcpeakchair6 did some work though17:03
hyakuheiYeah I've been in a similar camp, trying to tie things off before next week17:03
tristanCo/17:03
hyakuheiNice17:03
hyakuheiI suspect this might be a shorter meeting than normal17:04
tmcpeakagenda wise michaelxin and co released their API testing tool initial version17:04
hyakuheihi tristanC17:04
chair6o/17:04
tmcpeakprobably be good to get some info on that17:04
hyakuheiHe's not here atm17:04
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tmcpeaka very solid point :)17:04
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tmcpeakI asked if he'd be willing to do an intro on it next week at midcycle and he said sure17:05
tmcpeak^ there he is17:05
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michaelxinsorry, I am late17:05
hyakuheiI think a demo at the midcycle would be great17:05
elmiko+117:05
hyakuheiwelcome michaelxin!17:05
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michaelxinsure17:05
hyakuheiCan one of you add it to the agenda?17:05
tmcpeaksure17:05
hyakuhei#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-liberty-midcycle17:05
michaelxinhi, everyone17:06
elmikohi michaelxin17:06
hyakuhei#topic midcycle17:07
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tmcpeakdone :)17:07
hyakuheiSo I'd really like it if everyone could take a look at the link above and ensure that the topic reflect things that you want to be involved in17:07
tmcpeakthere's a lot of stuff now, probably won't have time for half of this17:08
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hyakuheiThat's fine17:08
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hyakuheiWe'll continue to do it unconference style. Decide what we think is most important17:08
tmcpeak+117:08
tkelsey+117:08
tkelseyworked out well last time17:08
michaelxin+117:08
hyakuheiSome of the discussions like TA & Crypto can be lengthy or wrapped up quickly if we have some clear objectives.17:08
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hyakuheiI'm quite excited to be doing this again, the last two have been such a success!17:09
elmikonice, i'm eager to see how it all goes down =)17:09
tmcpeakyeah, the weeks are a whirlwind but super productive17:09
hyakuheiChaos but lots of sprints, lots of LOC and lots of good progress :)17:09
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michaelxinfirst timer. Excited.17:10
hyakuheiHeh17:10
hyakuheiSo onto other exciting things17:10
hyakuhei#topic Summit17:10
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hyakuheiThe agenda is out, Security has 12 slots on the summit, design stuff is yet to be decided17:11
tmcpeakdidn't seem like we had much of a track this time, any reason in particular for that @hyakuhei?17:11
hyakuhei12 sessions is a pretty good track17:11
tmcpeaklooked like we got all day Thurs and 2 or 3 hours weds17:12
hyakuheiYeah, I think we had 2-3 more slots last time17:12
hyakuheiDepends on a lot of things17:12
hyakuheiMost of which I don't have much visbility of tbh17:12
dave-mccowanthere is no monday, so every track is short a few slots.17:12
tmcpeakcool fair enough17:12
tmcpeakdave-mccowan - ah, interesting17:12
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hyakuheiOne thing I need to do is request the rooms we want for design sessions17:14
michaelxinhyakuhei: +117:15
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hyakuheiAs before we have fishbowl slots (largish rooms) and Workroom slots (smaller) as well as meetup-sessions on the Friday afternoon (likely sparse)17:15
hyakuheiI'm hoping to get 4 workrooms and 2 fish bowls.17:15
hyakuheiworkrooms will be for point-tasks: Future of Bandit, Fixing Fuzzing, Anchor roadmap etc17:16
hyakuheifishbowl will be wider more community facing topic17:16
hyakuheiWe can try for more fishbowls but there's a lot of competition17:16
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hyakuheiMaybe I'll request 4-3 and we'll see what happens :)17:17
tmcpeakdo you want to do a show of hands who is planning to attend?17:17
hyakuheiTokyo overall?17:17
tmcpeakfor something like "future of Bandit" there might not be enough17:18
tmcpeakyeah17:18
hyakuheiI guess so17:18
hyakuheiShow of hands - who's going to be in Tokyo?17:18
hyakuheio/17:18
elmikoo/17:18
dave-mccowano/17:18
michaelxino/17:18
tristanCor maybe a civs poll to select the sessions topics ?17:18
tristanCo/17:18
hyakuheitkelsey will be17:18
tmcpeaksigmavirus24, browne, Daviey, tkelsey?17:18
hyakuheichair6: possibly17:19
browneo/17:19
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tkelseyo/17:19
tmcpeakahh ok cool, looks like there would be enough for Bandit then17:19
hyakuheiI'm sure we can find good content17:19
sigmavirus24I don't think I'll be in tokyo fwiw17:19
hyakuheiThere'll be a lot of stuff to continue from the mid-cycle17:19
tmcpeakI will also not be17:19
hyakuhei:(17:20
elmiko=(17:20
hyakuheiWhere's the next one, austin ?17:20
elmikoyea17:20
tmcpeakeat all the sushi for me17:20
hyakuheiwill do!17:20
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hyakuheiok cool, I've put in a request for three fish bowls and 4 work rooms17:20
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hyakuheiWe'll see what the OpenStack gods decide to give us.17:21
tmcpeak+117:21
hyakuheiCool. I didn't have much else to cover today, running around trying to get things ready :)17:22
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elmikoquestion about midcycle17:22
elmikohow will we decide the sessions?17:22
tmcpeakdart throwing mostly :)17:23
elmikohaha17:23
hyakuheiMorning and after lunch17:23
hyakuheiI'll take the group through options for the day17:23
hyakuheipeople jump on things that need jumping on17:23
elmikook, sounds good17:23
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hyakuheiIt works pretty well, means you can change tasks without burning out, or just go learn about something new etc17:23
elmikocool17:23
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hyakuheiI'll put my contact info at the top of the etherpad in case anyone gets into difficulties17:24
tmcpeakI'll drop mine also17:24
chair6i'll update with the address etc a little later today too17:25
tmcpeakwell email address at least :P17:25
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hyakuheiSo the address is on the logistics page but it'll do no harm to put it on the etherpad too17:25
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elmikoand we'll just need a driver's license, or passport, or something to get guest passes for hp?17:26
elmiko(sorry, little unfamiliar with the process)17:26
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browneSSN#, bank account #, etc17:26
hyakuheiAll of the above please.17:26
elmikook, should i just post it here ;)17:27
hyakuheiOh and cash for erm, security17:27
elmikolol17:27
michaelxin:-)17:27
hyakuheiYeah just bring some sensible photo ID17:27
elmikosensible you say...17:27
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hyakuheiheh yes.17:28
hyakuhei#topic Any other business17:28
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michaelxinThe link for API fuzzing tool is located at https://github.com/rackerlabs/syntribos17:28
tristanCanyone tried syntribos yet ?17:28
michaelxinplease feel free to play with it and send us your feedback.17:28
hyakuheiNot yet17:28
tmcpeakI haven't but will soon17:29
michaelxinmy email is michael.xin@rackspace.com17:29
elmikohaven't run it, just been browsing the code and instructions17:29
chair6bandit fellas, there's a small review at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216885/ introducing some basic per-run metrics17:29
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michaelxinWe want to hear back from community before adding too many stuff17:29
hyakuheilooks nice17:30
michaelxinfor bandit, one of my guys created a script to convert report to html and pdf17:30
hyakuheiSo you might want to add a work topic on Syntribos for the mid-cycle, I can see people wanting to throw new code into the mix, up to you17:30
tmcpeakmichaelxin: very cool, is there code for it somewhere?17:31
michaelxinlet me dig it out for you.17:31
chair6michaelxin that sounds interesting, could be something to add to tools/ in the bandit repo..17:31
tmcpeak+117:31
hyakuheiok, anything else to discuss today?17:32
tmcpeaka native HTML / PDF report formatter could be cool too17:32
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elmikonothing here17:33
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michaelxintmcpeak: It is currently in our internal githhub17:33
tmcpeakmichaelxin: ahh ok cool17:33
michaelxinI will ask him to make it public and send it to you17:33
tmcpeakcool, thank you17:33
michaelxinin openstack-security.17:33
hyakuheiGood plan!17:34
hyakuheiOk, I think that's a wrap then....17:34
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tmcpeakthanks everybody17:34
hyakuhei#endmeeting17:34
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michaelxinbye17:34
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hyakuheiCheers everyone! See you next week!!!17:34
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elmikothanks tmcpeak, hyakuhei17:34
tmcpeakthanks hyakuhei17:34
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amitgandhinz#startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting19:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 27 19:03:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:03
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amitgandhinz#topic Roll Call19:03
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting'19:03
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malinio/19:04
cathRo/19:04
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amitgandhinz#topic Last Week Recap19:04
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amitgandhinz#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-08-20-19.03.html19:04
amitgandhinzmalini to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/16961119:04
amitgandhinzlook slike its still in conflict19:05
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maliniwe have another patch to supersede this one19:05
amitgandhinzdoes this need to be abandoned?19:05
maliniI'll kill it after the other is merged19:05
amitgandhinzwhere is the other one?19:05
maliniOr just track the new patch & I'll abandon this?19:05
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amitgandhinzjust track the new patch IMO19:05
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malinihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/207988/19:06
amitgandhinzgo ahead an abandon it.  i dont see a reason to wait19:06
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amitgandhinzabandoned patches still live in a secret area19:07
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amitgandhinzand can be reclaimed19:07
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amitgandhinzmalini to abandom 169611 after Henry's patch is merged19:08
amitgandhinzwe just covered this19:08
amitgandhinzamitgandhinz to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/14319219:08
amitgandhinz#action amitgandhinz to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/14319219:08
amitgandhinzi have not done this19:08
amitgandhinzrolling it over19:08
amitgandhinz#topic Liberty 319:09
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amitgandhinz#link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-319:09
amitgandhinzso one week left in the liberty 3 cycle.19:09
amitgandhinzhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/gate-api-tests19:09
amitgandhinzthis still has very slow progress, no updates on this19:09
amitgandhinzhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/akamai-ssl-driver19:10
amitgandhinztonytan4ever: ^19:10
tonytan4everThis one is in good progress. The first one PR is ready for review19:10
tonytan4everhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/209648/19:10
tonytan4everIt's a huge PR so we'd better start early and review it19:11
amitgandhinzyes everyone please review19:11
tonytan4everMaybe I will start hounding people review it again.19:11
amitgandhinzplease hound19:11
amitgandhinztonytan4ever: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/geo-restrictions19:12
tonytan4everThis one is in review as well19:12
tonytan4everI am actively working on it today, adding api tests there.19:12
tonytan4everIt should be ready by today.19:12
amitgandhinzcool19:12
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amitgandhinzany thing else on bugs and bps?19:13
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amitgandhinz#topic Open Discussion19:13
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amitgandhinzso one of our talks has been accepted in Tokyo19:14
amitgandhinzyay!19:14
maliniyayyy..19:14
sriramawesome19:14
cathRWoot!19:14
tonytan4everCongrats19:14
amitgandhinzhttps://openstacksummitoctober2015tokyo.sched.org/event/d8c883ae776168eae3283f0b740b0027?iframe=yes&w=i:0;&sidebar=yes&bg=no#?iframe=yes&w=i:100;&sidebar=yes&bg=no19:14
malinipoppy is coming to Tokyo - be careful with the customes19:14
cathR;)19:15
sriramtonytan4ever: do you want to bring up the issue with regards to purge_url hard and all?19:15
amitgandhinzits a shame its the last session of the summit though19:16
tonytan4everOh yes19:16
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amitgandhinzhopefully we have stackers show up19:16
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amitgandhinzwhat is the issue with the purgeurl/19:19
tonytan4everSo we have an issue when we are doing cache invalidation on Akamai driver.19:19
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tonytan4everOur protocol of doing purge/cache invalidation is when we pass in purge_url with None, we treat it as purge/cache invalidate "ALL"19:20
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tonytan4everThis brings a problem, when the user pass in a purge_url with a string "None" and doing cache invalidation,  it will blow up.19:21
amitgandhinzwhy do we support "None"?19:22
amitgandhinzi dont see that in the docs19:22
sriramtonytan4ever: no, that is not the current functionality, but one of the suggested things right?19:22
amitgandhinzwe have ?all=true19:22
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tonytan4everYes, we do have all=true.19:22
amitgandhinzurl=None does not seem valid19:22
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amitgandhinzurl=/* would be valid19:22
amitgandhinzor url=/images/cat.jpg19:23
sriramamitgandhinz: hard purging, looks at purge_url and if its find to be None, then raises a RunTimeError19:23
tonytan4everI think url=None can be valid, a user could have /None as a url19:23
sriramtonytan4ever: yeah19:23
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amitgandhinzif a user enters ?url=None, shouldnt poppy translate that into purging url=/None19:24
amitgandhinzwhere it thinks the url is /None19:24
sriramit does19:24
amitgandhinzdoes poppy throw the error, or akamai?19:24
sriramwe threw the error, but thats been fixed in a follow up patch..19:25
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sriramwhich is in review right now.19:25
sriramI think what tonytan4ever is trying to point out, is that we transform "None" to None in case of hard purge..19:25
srirambut not in the case of soft purge.19:25
sriramwell ok19:25
sriramim confused.19:26
amitgandhinzi dont understand why19:26
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amitgandhinzif the user passes a value of None,it should be a valid url.19:26
sriramok what we have in the patch now works..19:26
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amitgandhinzwhat if i happen to have a file called "None"19:26
amitgandhinzand i want to purge it19:26
sriramamitgandhinz: that scenario works..19:26
sriramwe allow url to be set to "None"19:27
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amitgandhinzthis is setting the purge url to None though - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217739/3/poppy/distributed_task/taskflow/task/purge_service_tasks.py19:28
amitgandhinzas opposed to purging a file called "/None"19:28
tonytan4everThat is a problem19:28
tonytan4everWe don't know if the parameter is passed as None object or "None" string19:29
amitgandhinzNone and "None" should be different.  one is reserved in python, one is a string19:29
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tonytan4everThe root cause of this problem is that when we pass parameters in taskflow tasks, we cannot pass None object.19:30
amitgandhinzso if i enter url="None", will it purge everything or purge my file called "/None"19:30
tonytan4everWe can only pass string19:30
sriramneither, we will raise a runtimeError there.19:31
sriramand that is the bug.19:31
amitgandhinzok, so when we set all=true, in that scenario, url=None, and taskflow changes that to "None", and then blows up?19:31
tonytan4everYeah19:31
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sriramin case of cache invalidation -> everything works.19:31
amitgandhinzso why dont we set it to "/*" instead of "None" as the default?19:31
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amitgandhinzthat way we arent overloading the meaning on "None"19:32
tonytan4everWe need to confirm /* works with purge and cache invalidation.19:32
sriramthat is one of the suggested solutions.19:32
tonytan4everWhich is not the case with purge.19:32
srirambut malini suggested that it doesnt work.19:32
amitgandhinzit wont work with purge as purge requires a file19:32
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amitgandhinzbut our validation should catch that19:33
amitgandhinzpurge should always require a url path19:33
amitgandhinzinvalidate can have the wildcards19:33
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maliniBut purge can have wild cards for other providers - eg. fastly19:33
malinithx to sriram for tht info ^19:33
amitgandhinztrue19:34
sriramthe issue is, if we enforce it at transport19:34
sriramit might seem like we are biased towards providers19:34
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amitgandhinzya19:34
sriramwe shouldnt retrofit provider needs into transport.19:34
amitgandhinzso lets default it to "/*" and if the provider doesnt support the wildcard purge then it fails19:35
amitgandhinztoday we do that with defaulting it to None right?19:35
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sriramyeah19:35
amitgandhinzby defaulting the url = "/*" we remove the overloading of the word None/"None", we become more explicit, and we arent changing overall behavior19:36
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sriramwe would still need to have a case for None though..19:37
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srirambecause the user can still give a url of None19:37
sriramtonytan4ever: ^19:37
amitgandhinzin which case we pass a string to taskflow which is "/None" as we have to add the preceding slash19:37
tonytan4everIf a user give a url of None, we treat it as normal url right >19:37
amitgandhinzthe url is now always a string19:37
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amitgandhinzand never the None object19:37
amitgandhinzthe code where we default url=None now becomes url="/*" so always is a string19:38
tonytan4everAnother thought:19:38
tonytan4ever if we default url to "/*", do we still need all though >19:38
tonytan4ever?19:38
sriramyeah, its always a string, since we put it into zookeeper19:38
tonytan4everall=true ?19:38
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sriramtonytan4ever: again that depends on the provider19:39
sriramsome provider will have an all option19:39
sriramsome might not19:39
tonytan4everI understand that part. But url /* means purge all right >19:40
tonytan4ever?19:40
sriramit shoud19:40
srirammalini: ^^19:40
maliniyes19:41
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amitgandhinzall=true is technically redundant, but we have to support it now since its out there19:41
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maliniwe can inform our clients ;)19:42
sriramtesting for purge_url as None inside purge_task will need to change then..19:43
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sriramif that changes, we should be able to fix the rest.19:43
amitgandhinzyup19:43
amitgandhinzso everyone agree to default to /* and get rid of None ?19:44
tonytan4ever+119:44
amitgandhinz+219:44
sriram+22,34519:44
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tonytan4everWe will need to adjust akamai driver though since it does not support /*19:44
tonytan4everraise an exception when url is /*19:44
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sriramyeah we can do the same runtime error thing19:45
tonytan4everYup19:45
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amitgandhinzya, do whatever we do now if i say PURGE url="/images/*"19:45
amitgandhinzshouldnt really be a change19:45
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amitgandhinzok next topic19:45
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sriramim done.19:45
amitgandhinzmy head hurts19:46
srirammine too19:46
amitgandhinzneed water19:46
maliniI preserve mine19:46
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amitgandhinzor poppy19:46
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sriramI hear preservatives are bad.19:46
amitgandhinzchutneys are good tho19:46
sriram?19:46
maliniAlcohol preserves well19:47
sriramok I think we are derailing, anyone have anything else to discuss?19:47
amitgandhinzi think this is what malini really meant by preserving her head19:47
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amitgandhinzhttp://s3.hipertextual.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/6/files/2011/07/futurama.s06e20.hdtv_.xvid-fqm.avi_000153361-e1311964381808.jpg19:47
tonytan4everhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/281130301682?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT19:47
tonytan4everI actually bought this from ebay19:47
amitgandhinzim ending this meeting19:48
amitgandhinzits derailed19:48
amitgandhinz#nedmeeting19:48
malinitht explains ur behavior tonytan4ever19:48
sriramwell done tonytan4ever19:48
amitgandhinzugh19:48
sriramlolol19:48
amitgandhinz#endmeeting19:48
tonytan4everlol19:48
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