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lxslio/13:01
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jaypipeso/13:02
jaypipesedleafe: scheduler meeting?13:02
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lxsliya13:05
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lxslino n0ano?13:06
n0anolxsli, yes13:06
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lxsliaha13:06
n0anolxsli, pretty sure the meeting isn't for an hour yet, 1400 UTC13:07
lxsliI blame jaypipes13:07
n0anoWFM (as long as I don't get the blame :-)13:08
bauzasoh, like I said to lxsli, meeting is at 1400UTC13:08
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jaypipesoh, doh, sorry guys.13:09
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lxslihope you didn't wake up early just for this!13:10
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n0ano#startmeeting nova_scheduler14:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul  6 14:00:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler'14:00
n0anoanyone here to talk about the scheduler?14:00
alex_xuo/14:00
* alex_xu found the meeting is changed to better time~14:00
n0anolxsli, now's your chance :-)14:01
lxsliScheduler 2: scheduler rides again14:01
n0anoalex_xu, glad at least one person likes the new time (a little early for me but I can handle it).14:01
alex_xun0ano: heh, how the vote out without person glad14:02
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jaypipesmornin.14:02
bauzas\o14:02
* bauzas is also happy to see the meeting earlier :)14:03
* n0ano is a little bleary eyed but NP14:03
bauzasit just means that US people will be just awake, so we can try to bypass them \o/14:03
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bauzasha14:04
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n0anoOK, let's start, hopefully edleafe & Paul will catch up14:04
n0ano#topic liberty specs14:04
*** openstack changes topic to "liberty specs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)"14:04
bauzasn0ano: PaulMurray didn't make a promise about that one14:04
lxsliPaulMurray won't make it14:05
lxsliHe asked me to mention his compute node patch has finally landed, woot14:05
n0anolxsli, that's excellent news14:05
n0anolooking at the priority tracking page looks like 179224 (migration) is the only one not approved, is that on track?14:06
n0anomy bad, that one and the request spec object are still not striked out14:06
bauzasn0ano: the spec is a priority one14:07
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bauzasn0ano: as the freeze is only for non-prio specs, we don't have to be afraid of it14:07
bauzasn0ano: jaypipes liked it, I hope to see a bit more sponsors by the next days once the non-prio specs are freezed14:08
n0anolooks like there's recent comments on this and no -1's so hopefully it's get +2 soon14:08
bauzasn0ano: but for the moment, I leave all the reviewers looking at non-prio ones14:08
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bauzasabout the reqspec implementation, well, it deserves reviews14:08
lxslibauzas: I had a look, few small comments but generally +114:09
bauzaslxsli: coolness14:09
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bauzasso, re the patch series the left things are:14:09
bauzas1/ fix the unittests for the WIP patch on filters14:09
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bauzas2/ change the sched RPC API and provide a method using a ReqSpec object14:10
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bauzas3/ change the conductor to hydrate the Spec there instead of using build_req_spec()14:10
bauzasso, good progress, I hope to put it all done by EOW14:10
bauzasand then, review time14:10
bauzasand iteration and upload dance14:11
n0anoso sounds good, you don't need any help on this do you (I have people that are available)14:11
bauzasn0ano: nope, no neede14:12
bauzasneed14:12
bauzasn0ano: tbh, it's a huge change14:12
n0anobauzas, NP (I'm one of the few people in my company that don't think 9 women can make a baby in 1 month)14:12
bauzashe14:13
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n0anosounds to me like the specs are well in hand so, unles someone has an issue, let's move on14:14
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n0ano#topic Nova mid-cycle meetup14:14
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n0anothe sprint is in 2 weeks, have we thought about scheduler issues we want to bring up there?14:14
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n0anothe only one I can think of is splitting the scheduler out, we should have the APIs well defined by Liberty so we should seriously think about what needs to be done for the split in M14:15
bauzasI should hassle johnthetubaguy with an expected agenda so I could see where I could lurk14:15
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n0anobauzas, I checked the etherpad for it today and it's currently completely empty14:16
n0anolooks like no one has thought about the meetup yet.14:16
bauzasn0ano: I'm not that worried, but I will appreciate any attempt to clear that out for remote attendees :p14:16
jaypipesn0ano: I'd like to discuss how we model flavor and image metadata during the launch request. not sure that's a real scheduler-related thing. kinda.14:16
bauzasjaypipes: I like this14:17
n0anojaypipes, not a bad idea, certainly related to scheduling but probably more a Nova API issue14:17
bauzasjaypipes: we have many "need an owner/plan" including the AZs stuff14:17
bauzasjaypipes: I would appreciate any think tank by the midcycle time about those stuff14:17
jaypipesbauzas: I was hoping tdurakov could own the AZ stuff. but I agree with you we need to discuss it.14:18
bauzasjaypipes: yeah, I know your spec14:18
bauzasjaypipes: what I would like to see is some agreement by the midcycle14:18
bauzas- even if I'm not here :(14:18
bauzasI mean, there14:19
jaypipesbauzas: sure, agreed. it's on my list.14:19
lxslin0ano: +1 to flavor being / becoming a Nova API issue14:19
bauzasjaypipes: the hints definition is also not yet agreed14:19
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bauzasjaypipes: I mean, the hints taxonomy14:19
jaypipesbauzas: what do you refer to?14:20
bauzasI remember alaski having concerns about that14:20
bauzasjaypipes: sec, giving you the mail thread14:20
n0anobauzas, do we need to address the persistance of hints, I seem to remember someone working on that in the past14:20
alex_xualaski: prefer not use json-schema validae the hints14:20
bauzasjaypipes: that's pretty related to how someone is describing something like a flavor or image, but to the difference it's for end-users14:21
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bauzasn0ano: that's not exactly the problem14:21
alaskiI'm fine with validation of existing hints, as long as additionalProperties is True14:21
bauzasn0ano: we don't disagree persisting the hints14:21
n0anobauzas, no but I think persisting the hints needs to be done14:21
bauzasn0ano: that's planned :)14:21
bauzasn0ano: there is no problem with that14:22
alaskiwell, I'm not totally fine with it.  but am growing less adamant over time14:22
bauzassec, a mail thread is better than me trying to explain14:22
bauzas#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067996.html14:22
jaypipesalaski: could you be more specific on what you're not totally fine with? I'm having a had time understanding precisely what we are talking about here.14:22
jaypipesahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh14:23
bauzasalaski: like I said, some grey area is still there, that's not only about API validation14:23
alaskiit's in the mail bauzas linked14:23
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jaypipesalaski: I owe you a respond on that thread. sorry man :(14:23
alaskinp14:23
bauzasjaypipes: I owe that too :(14:23
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bauzasso, yeah, something like AZs, hints, flavor/image definitions and reviewing sprint for the ReqSpec would be awesome14:24
n0ano#action all to cogitate on and reply to alaski mail thread on hints14:24
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n0anobauzas, good, I'll update the etherpad with those to begin with (maybe I can get a first post :-)14:25
* edleafe just woke up after 3 hours of sleep14:25
n0anoedleafe, that's what you get for agreeing to this time :-)14:26
bauzasjaypipes: like I said previously, even if not attending the midcycle, I'll be set on Rochester TZ14:26
jaypipeskk14:26
bauzasjaypipes: so it means it will be possible to do some sprint for the ReqSpec if necessary14:26
edleafen0ano: no, that's what I get for flying the red-eye home from holiday :)14:26
n0anoedleafe, ouch14:27
n0anoOK, let's think about the mid-cycle and talk again about it next week, the sprint is only 2 weeks away14:27
n0ano#topic opens14:28
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n0anoanything new from anyone?14:28
* johnthetubaguy notes the need for some kind of remote co-ordination with bauzas 14:28
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: don't worry, I'll be online14:29
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: so, provided some help can be done, I'll be there14:29
n0anojohnthetubaguy, will there be a possibility of a google hangout with video at the meetup?14:29
johnthetubaguyas a heads up, I have been thinking about a few totally remote follow ups post the mid-cycle if we need those14:29
johnthetubaguyn0ano: we hope so, although the room logistics don't sound perfect for that kind of thing14:30
n0anojohnthetubaguy, believe me, I understand, we'll just have to do the best we can14:30
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johnthetubaguyn0ano: +114:31
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n0anoanything else?14:31
bauzasn0ano: I'm already pretty silent during the summits, I actually just need to hear :)14:31
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bauzasn0ano: if I hear something that I dislike, I can hassle you guys directly in IRC14:31
bauzas:p14:32
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: ^14:32
n0anosilent? are we talking about the same bauzas I know :-)14:32
bauzashah14:32
bauzasdon't make me wrong, I can talk about cheese for like one hour14:32
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n0anobetter cheese than wine14:33
* bauzas thinks he's seriously diverting14:33
n0anoindeed14:33
lxsligotta run o/14:33
johnthetubaguybauzas: I have a better IRC client now, so that should be possible14:33
n0anoOK, I think we're done for today, talk again next week14:33
n0anotnx everyone14:33
bauzas++14:33
n0ano#endmeeting14:33
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dims_#startmeeting oslo16:00
dims_courtesy ping for jd__, dhellmann, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith, kragniz, amotoki, lintan, toabctl,jecarey, rpodolyaka116:00
dims_courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith,haypo, johnsom, ozamiatin16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul  6 16:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dims_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'oslo'16:00
jungleboyjo/16:00
harlowja_at_homeyo16:00
redroboto/16:00
viktors|wfho/16:00
kgiusti\o16:00
silehto/ almost16:00
ozamiatino/16:00
droyalhi16:00
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jecarey_o/16:01
dims_giving it another 30 secs16:01
dims_#topic Red flags for/from liaisons16:01
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dims_any hiccups last week with releases?16:01
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jungleboyjI know there were some hiccups last week in Cinder but don't think anything lingers and don't know that they were oslo specific.16:02
dims_any liaisons around? :) (yes, i am recovering from long weekend as well!)16:02
jungleboyjSo, no red flags from me at the moment.16:03
kragnizaround, but nothing to report16:03
* jungleboyj doesn't have his brain back in the game yet.16:03
dims_jungleboyj: thanks. i did see some CI requirements jobs failures, but that got sorted out in the weekend16:03
harlowja_at_homered white and blue flags? :-P16:03
dims_harlowja_at_home: and the world cup win :)16:03
harlowja_at_home:)16:03
harlowja_at_homemurica!16:03
harlowja_at_homelol16:03
stevemaro/16:03
dims_k switching16:04
dims_#topic config options are not API16:04
dims_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197359/16:04
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dims_so there was a discussion between dhellmann and dstanek i believe, please take a look16:04
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stevemarno red flags from keystone16:04
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dims_stevemar: thanks16:04
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dims_dhellmann tried to codify what we have done in the past there as a FAQ so new folks coming in can have some context16:05
harlowja_at_homeahhhh hmmm16:05
harlowja_at_homeconfiguration options not api, hmmm16:06
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harlowja_at_homethere somewhere in the middle16:06
harlowja_at_home*imho*16:06
dims_harlowja_at_home: let's make sure folks vote on it and comment there, i am trying shine a spotlight :)16:06
dims_#topic Releases for this week16:07
dims_Releases for this week. Here are the unreleased changes16:07
dims_#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/348859/16:07
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harlowja_at_homei always start to go back to how if u did this is c/c++ it would be part of the api (just the config thing would be a cfg * object)16:07
harlowja_at_homedims_,  ok :)16:07
dims_anyone feel anything in there is not ready for a release? please holler16:07
harlowja_at_homehmmmm16:07
dims_i am waiting for a couple of more things to merge that i kicked an hour or so ago16:08
harlowja_at_homenot from me16:08
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dims_k. i'll ask again on oslo channel before i actually cut the releases later today16:09
dims_#topic New libraries and drivers - how is it going?16:09
dims_#link specs - http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/16:09
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harlowja_at_homegood good :-P16:09
ozamiatindims: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198271/ need review16:09
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kgiustithe amqp1 devstack plugin 'works' for f21, rhel7, and ubuntu 14lts - at least locally.16:10
harlowja_at_homeironic adopting futurist, taskflow to ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196275/ )16:10
harlowja_at_homeautomaton good (ironic moved over); nova maybe using it @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197668/16:10
dims_ozamiatin: yes, i owe you one on that16:10
kgiustiflaper87 will be moving it from github, then we need to actually integrate it.16:10
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dims_kgiusti: cool16:11
dims_stevemar: did you see this one yet? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198265/16:11
harlowja_at_homesileht, adopt futurist at your own time :)16:11
harlowja_at_home*for oslo.messaging16:12
dims_stevemar: ported from nova/oslo-incubator code16:12
silehtharlowja_at_home, have this been released ?16:12
harlowja_at_homesileht, ya16:12
silehtawesome16:12
harlowja_at_homehttps://pypi.python.org/pypi/futurist16:12
harlowja_at_homefrom the future!16:12
* bnemec lurks16:13
dims_hey bnemec16:13
stevemardims_: (sorry, i am in 2 meetings)16:14
dims_stevemar: no issues, you can ping back leter16:14
dims_bnemec: need your input on this :)  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197359/16:14
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bnemecdims_: Yep, just reading it16:14
dims_#topic Ongoing work & Review priorities16:14
dims_#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-priorities-tracking16:14
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dims_i saw dhellmann had a -W on 2 oslo namespace removals, will ping him about it today16:15
dims_Any stuck reviews? or specs?16:16
dims_guess not, opening it up16:16
dims_#topic Open discussion16:16
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dims_looks like a quick meeting today :)16:17
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harlowja_at_home:-P16:17
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harlowja_at_homepeople need to talk more :-P16:17
jungleboyjQuick is good.  :-)16:17
harlowja_at_homehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/197668/ if people are intersted16:17
harlowja_at_home'Introduce a simple state machine module' (into nova)16:17
harlowja_at_homejungleboyj, may be interseting for cinder16:18
stevemardims_: not sure how i feel about that patch16:18
dims_stevemar: it enables an existing impl16:19
stevemarcommented on it anyway16:19
dims_thanks stevemar16:19
stevemarid like to see how it's going to be used16:19
jungleboyjharlowja_at_home: Looking/16:19
ozamiatindroyal, hi, do you need some guidance to start with zmq driver?16:19
droyalnot yet16:19
droyalI'll send you questions if i've got any16:19
ozamiatindroyal, k16:20
harlowja_at_homejungleboyj, cool, let's see where that goes (who knows, ha)16:20
jungleboyjharlowja_at_home: That topic has been an ongoing one for Cinder.16:21
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harlowja_at_homejungleboyj, yup, for a while now (aka years)16:21
harlowja_at_homejungleboyj, has anything recent been getting better in that front?16:21
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harlowja_at_homeits a tough problem :-/16:21
harlowja_at_home*especially if u have existing apis16:21
jungleboyjharlowja_at_home: No, I don't think so.16:22
harlowja_at_home(which is why this will also be hard for nova i think to)16:22
harlowja_at_homeits like doubly-hard to add a state-machine on later (vs adding it initially; where its not so hard)16:22
dims_request for review from me - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195249/16:22
dims_oslo.concurrency change16:23
jungleboyjharlowja_at_home: Need to mention this to DuncanT as I think he was the one looking the most at state machine ideas.16:23
harlowja_at_homejungleboyj, def16:23
harlowja_at_homeit will be interesting to see how nova addresses it (since they are big and don't have a explict machine either)16:23
dims_ok. let's give folks time back :)16:24
dims_see you all on our oslo channel16:24
dims_#endmeeting16:24
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jungleboyjThanks!16:25
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sputnik13gooooooood morning18:00
dkallegHiyo18:00
sputnik13we're pushing the meeting to next week18:00
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catherineD#startmeeting refstack19:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul  6 19:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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catherineDRoll call19:00
pvanecko/19:00
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catherineDhello pvaneck: Rockyg:19:01
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pvaneckhey catherine19:01
catherineDdavidlenwell: won't be able to attend today's meeting ...19:01
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RockygHey.  If I don't respond quickly, it's cause I am on two meetings at once.  Just Ping me19:03
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catherineDRockyg: sure ..19:03
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sslypushenko__o/19:03
catherineDhi sslypushenko__:19:03
catherineDLet's start19:04
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hogepodgeo/19:04
catherineDToday's agenda:  #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-07-0619:04
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catherineD#topic Relocate RefStack Project19:05
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catherineDdavidlenwell: is going to take us to the next step on this ... but he is not here ... so I guess we will defer this to next week ?19:06
catherineD#topic refstack.net site19:06
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catherineDDavid got a bill for $187 for refstack.net ... that is a lot for him to pay ...19:07
catherineDhogepodge: is it possible to ask the Foundation to sponsor  (to reimburse davidlenwell: ) ?19:09
pvaneckthat is for one month?19:09
catherineDyes19:09
catherineDI take it back ... I am not sure ...19:09
catherineDat least it is since May ...19:09
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hogepodgecatherineD: checking19:11
catherineDhogepodge: thank you ...19:11
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catherineDLet's check back with hogepodge:  later ... on to the next topic19:14
catherineD#topic Infra Hosting19:14
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catherineDThank's to hogepodge: davidlenwell:  and krotscheck: ... we are now waiting for infra deployment ...19:16
krotscheckwoo.19:16
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RockygWoo2!19:16
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catherineDkrotscheck: any idea how long ... it will take infra to deploy?19:17
hogepodgefungi: or anyone else, let us know how to move forward to get it up (see previous topic)19:17
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fungioh, right-o19:18
fungisomeone was going to write a puppet module19:18
krotscheckfungi: lmk if you run into puppet issues.19:18
fungican't remember if i've reviewed it yet19:18
fungilooking19:18
krotscheckfungi: openstack-infra/puppet-refstack19:18
hogepodgefungi: krotscheck just had that module merged as a project19:18
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fungiaha, yup. so if there's not a change to openstack-infra/system-config to add a server for that yet, i'll add one19:19
catherineD#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182437/19:19
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catherineD#action if there is not a change to openstack-infra/system-config, fungi: will add a server19:22
catherineD#topic Set up eavesdrop for refstack channel19:22
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hogepodgejust needs approval at this point19:24
catherineDThanks  you  hogepodge: f (#link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198621/)19:24
catherineD#topic OpenStackID integration19:25
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catherineDsslypushenko__:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176335/  was merged finally ...19:26
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sslypushenko__Yeah)19:26
sslypushenko__My work on endpoint for upload pubkeys is in progress19:26
sslypushenko__I expect to finish it this week19:27
catherineDlots of work from sslypushenko__: and  Vladislav ... Thank you so much ...19:27
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catherineDsslypushenko__: that is great ...19:27
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sslypushenko__Great thx to Vlad. He did a lot for that patch)19:28
catherineDsslypushenko__: ++19:28
catherineDthat is really a milestone for us ... now we can proceed to the next phases of Refstack ..19:29
sslypushenko__Now, it feels like refstack needs one extra developer)19:29
catherineDsslypushenko__: agree19:29
catherineDI19:30
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sslypushenko__But now we have extra QA, and our progress in tempest related issues is really great. But it is not related to this topic)19:31
sslypushenko__I think we can move to the next item19:32
catherineDsorry ... I have contacted a few people that I had met at Vancouber for contribution ,,, will give update next week ... (Intel, Cononical , IBM ..)19:33
catherineD#topic Use Refstack launchpad bugs & blueprints19:33
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catherineDWe decided that Refstack project will not use StoryBoard during the May f-2-f meetings(agenda item 5)19:34
pvaneckseems that other people were already using https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack for refstack related items19:34
catherineDSo we should start usong launchpad to submit bugs and blueprints ...19:34
pvaneckmight as well use it for bugs/features we are working on19:35
catherineDespecially when adding new features19:35
sslypushenko__sounds good19:35
pvaneckright now only david is the bug supervisor19:35
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catherineDshould we add all cores to be supervisor?19:36
pvaneckmight be worthwhile to have him make a launchpad team that we are in, and have that team be the bug supervisor19:36
pvaneckthat seems to be how other projects do it19:36
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Rockyg++19:37
sslypushenko__+19:37
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catherineD#action davidlenwell: to add all Refstack core contributors as supervisor19:37
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catherineDwhile we are on this topic .. pvaneck: had submitted a refstack bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/147025219:38
openstackLaunchpad bug 1470252 in refstack "Pass percentage should take into account flagged tests" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Paul Van Eck (pvaneck-z)19:38
catherineDRockyg: hogepodge: I think DefCore need to approve this ...19:39
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catherineDor at least review ..19:39
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hogepodgecatherineD: hmm. I'd rather see a pass/fail for defcore and percentage pass19:40
hogepodgewithout regard to flag. they're different things19:40
catherineDhogepodge: right now it display DefCore  "count pass"/ "count total" and percentage pass19:41
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catherineDhogepodge: without the flag tests ... I don't think any vendors pass the DefCore test ...19:42
hogepodgecatherineD: yes, pass fail should be independent of percentage pass19:43
hogepodgepass/fail needs to take into account flag status, but percentage shouldn't19:43
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catherineDThis item need more discussion ... right now with the test results data,  we don't even know what OpenStack release the cloud is implementing so that the relevent specification should be applied19:46
catherineDLe't discuss this item in #refstack ...19:46
catherineDWill skip topic 7&8 for now, go on to topic 9 ...19:47
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catherineDis it OK?19:48
sslypushenko__+19:48
pvaneckgo ahead19:48
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catherineD#topic Tokyo Refstack  sessions19:49
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catherineDI think we need to submit a speaker session to update the community of the new features in Refstack (like OpenID log in ...)19:50
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sslypushenko__+119:50
catherineDany suggestion for the tittle?19:50
catherineDsslypushenko__: will you be at the Tokyo summit?19:51
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sslypushenko__I'm not really sure in it)19:52
RockygRefstack 2.0:  Secure and in the hands of the foundation???19:52
catherineDwhat if we put you as one of the speaker?19:52
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sslypushenko__It is not affable to me to do it on my own19:52
catherineDsslypushenko__: no no .. .there will be a few of us ...19:53
sslypushenko__In this case it may work)19:53
RockygCan you apply for travel support from the foundation?19:53
catherineDRockyg: thanks ..19:53
RockygRefstack 2.0: more features, more security, more Foundation19:53
sslypushenko__not affable - > not affordable19:54
catherineDRockyg: I like that ...19:54
sslypushenko__We should discuss it with Rob19:54
sslypushenko__He has a great experience in it19:54
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catherineDsslypushenko__: ok  let's do that ... we will need to actively work on it .. .because the deadline is next week ...19:55
sslypushenko__oh19:56
catherineD#action Refstack team will  work on submitting  a speaker session for Tokyo summit this week19:57
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catherineD3 mins to go ... we will have to defer topic 7 & 8 to next week ..19:57
catherineD#topic Open discussions19:58
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/19886919:58
fungiis the glue change we talked about earlier19:58
fungineeds review, but it's up at least19:58
catherineDDefCore midcycle is July 29 - 30 .... We will decide on Refstack micycle after DefCore's ...19:59
catherineDfungi: wow thank you for your super fast response  !!!19:59
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iguethso/19:59
fungiwell, hogepodge already did all the hard work ;)19:59
catherineDwe are out of time ....19:59
catherineD#endmeeting20:00
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redrobot#startmeeting barbican20:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul  6 20:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'barbican'20:00
redrobot#topic Roll Call20:00
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dave-mccowano/20:00
kfarro/20:00
iguethso/20:00
siloso/20:01
elmikoo/20:01
chellygel✧٩(•́⌄•́๑)20:01
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rellerreller_o/20:01
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elmikovery fancy chellygel20:02
chellygel;)20:02
redrobotguessing other barbicaneers are still out for the 4th of july weekend20:02
redrobotno matter, we'll have an awesome meeting regardless20:03
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redrobotas usual the agenda can be found here:20:03
redrobot#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican20:03
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redrobot#topic Action Items from previous meeting20:03
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redrobot#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-06-29-20.00.html20:03
redrobotjaosorior are you around?20:03
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redrobotI'll take that as a no.20:04
redrobot#action jaosorior to backport the DogTag gate fixes into stable/kilo20:04
redrobotok moving on to the agenda for today20:04
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redrobot#topic Update on Quota Support blueprint20:04
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redrobotdave-mccowan do you have an update for us?20:05
dave-mccowanI've made good progress on the quotas blueprint.  To hopefully make reviewing easier, I'm breaking it into three parts: 1) config and controller, 2) repos, and 3) enforcement.  I'll include relevant unit test and functional tests with each part.  I submitted the CR for #1 today. https://review.openstack.org/198764  Let me know if there is anything I can do to help reviewers.  Perhaps wishful thinking, but it would be great if this20:05
dave-mccowan could merge, before i start on #2.20:05
hockeynuto/20:05
hockeynut(late, I know)20:05
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redrobot#info dave-mccowan will be splitting the quota bp work into several patches20:05
redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198764/20:06
redrobotsounds great dave-mccowan !20:06
redrobotany questions/comments about this blueprint?20:06
dave-mccowancan we get a couple volunteers who will be doing the reviewing?20:06
hockeynut(meekly raises hand in the air)20:06
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hockeynut6 more LOC and we would have the CR from hell20:07
dave-mccowan* makes note for next patch set20:07
rellerreller_haha20:07
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redrobotI'll try to get a review in as well.20:07
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redrobotI'm sure woodster will be interested also20:08
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redrobotok, moving on20:08
redrobot#topic ACL client implementation20:08
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redrobotchellygel this topic is yours, yes?20:09
chellygelYes!20:09
chellygelthanks redrobot (/me grabs the conch shell)20:09
chellygelSo, one of the tasks we want to implement is putting per-secret ACL into the barbican client20:09
chellygeli have a blueprint here in launch pad: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-barbicanclient/+spec/per-secret-acl20:09
chellygeli want to ask the community if they feel this approach to usage makes sense... as an example:20:10
chellygelbarbican acl "[secret-ref-here]" user list20:10
chellygelwould provide a list of user ids associated w/ the acl for the specific secret20:10
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chellygelthis very basic vanilla implementation would have user add, user delete, and user list... does anyone have any thoughts, concerns, or questions about this implementation?20:10
redrobot#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-barbicanclient/+spec/per-secret-acl20:10
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redrobotchellygel I think the subcommand needs to be grouped together, so20:11
redrobotbarbican acl user list [secret-ref]20:11
rellerreller_+120:11
redrobotbut then again, I'm no cliff expert20:11
chellygelmakes sense to me :)20:12
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chellygelif no one else wishes to speak, i'm finished and will begin the implementation in this manner20:12
rellerreller_It's not just cliff but what is intuitive to user as well.20:12
redrobotbarbican acl user delete [secret-ref] [user-ref]20:12
redrobotbarbican acl user add [secret-ref] [user-ref]20:12
redrobot^^ looks a little odd, but I think that would be the cliff ordering?20:13
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redrobothmm....20:13
redrobotbarbican acl add --user [user-id] ?20:14
redrobotbarbican acl list20:14
redrobotbarbican acl delete --user [user-id] ?20:14
chellygelstill need to pass that ref though, right?20:14
chellygelbarbican acl add --ref [ref] --user [user]20:14
hockeynut--secret-ref [secret=ref]20:14
chellygelanyone else? thoughts?20:15
rellerreller_If they are required do we need -- options?20:15
rellerreller_It seems like user add would be like20:16
rellerreller_barbican acl user add [secret-ref] [user-ref]20:16
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rellerreller_The --user makes it seem like not required, but it should be. I think.20:16
chellygeli can't think of any other thing that would matter for an action w/ acls20:16
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redrobotthere is a spec out for group acls as well20:17
redrobotso we could have20:17
redrobotbarbican acl add --user [user-id] [secret-id]20:17
redrobotand20:17
redrobotbarbican acl add --group [group-id] [secret-id]20:17
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chellygelwell it could be argued that... barbican acl [user/group] add [secret-ref] [group/user-id] wouild work too20:18
redrobotchellygel true...20:18
chellygelim not sure the difference though, so i dont have an opinion on either way20:18
redrobotchellygel would be one cliff subcommand vs two cliff sub-commands20:18
redrobotchellygel functionally it wouldn't matter, I guess.20:19
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rellerreller_I vote for barbican acl user add [secret-ref] [user-ref], but I don't really care much one way or the other.20:20
hockeynutas long as secret-ref and user-ref are keyword args I'm good with that20:20
kfox1111-s secret-ref -u user-ref ?20:21
kfox1111then you can reorder them.20:21
silos-- makes sense to me. barbican acl add --user [userid] --ref [refid] and barbican acl add --ref [refid] --user [userid] are the same that way. Less likely to have mistakes that way IMO20:21
rellerreller_Actually now I take it back. Maybe I do like barbican acl add [--user || --group <id>] <secret-ref>20:21
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kfox1111what about secret vs container acl's?20:22
kfox1111-c for container ref, -s for secret ref.20:22
redrobotI'm starting to agree on flags as well20:22
redrobotkfox1111 yep, containers would be similar... I'm guessing --secret-ref and --container-ref to be consistent with the rest of the CLI20:22
kfox1111acl add [--user || --group <id>] [--container || --secret <ref>]20:22
chellygelokay, well lets get some votes in here so we can move on, yeah?20:23
chellygelbarbican acl add --user [id] --secret [ref]20:24
dave-mccowanis two word commands, like "user add", typical for barbican client?   nova, for example, uses one word commands, e.g.:  "flavor-add", "flavor-list", "flavor-delete"20:24
redrobotchellygel seems like we're all agreeing on using flags for secret/container refs and for user/group20:24
redrobotdave-mccowan IIRC cliff can handle either20:24
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dave-mccowan+1 for flags20:25
kfox1111most openstack seperate clients use '-' instead of ' '. the unified openstack client uses spaces for everything.20:25
kfox1111+1 for flags.20:25
hockeynut+1 for flags20:26
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redrobotseems there's consensus20:26
redrobotchellygel any other questions about the ACL client implementation?20:26
chellygelim good :)20:26
redrobotok20:27
redrobotI was hoping to bikeshed on this until woodster had a chance to jump on20:27
redrobot#topic Additional role for ACL20:27
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* kfox1111 chuckles20:27
kfox1111its got to be green! :)20:27
elmikolol20:28
redrobotkfox1111 lol20:28
chellygelGreen!! no! D: needs to be color blind friendly!20:28
redrobotseems woodster isn't going to make it.20:28
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redrobotbut I can talk about this topic anyway.20:28
redrobotthe idea here was to add one more role to our policy20:28
redrobotpotentially called "acl-user" or something similar we can bikeshed on20:29
kfox1111whats it do?20:29
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redrobotso, for ACL access, the token provided would have to have the "acl-user" role scoped to the project that owns the secret.20:29
redrobotin addition to being on the ACL20:30
redrobotthe benefit is that you can remove the role to lock out someone from all ACL'ed secrets.20:30
redrobotinstead of having to iterate through all possible secrets in the project20:30
redrobotalso I should point out that this is strictly a policy change.20:30
redrobotand as such it would only affect people who choose to use the default policy20:31
redrobotsomeone could still write a policy to ignore that role altogether.20:31
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dave-mccowani envision the rule in policy.json would be: rule:secret_project_match and rule:secret_acl_read    in this case, it doesn't matter what we call the new role (member, user, acl-user, _foo_).  as long as the token is scoped for the project and the user is on the acl-read list, it's all good.20:31
kfox1111as in the user would have to have the acl-user role on the project in order for the acl itself to take affect,20:31
kfox1111or would have to have acl-user to be able to look at the acl itself?20:32
redrobotkfox1111 yeah... though we could be a little looser, and just have the "acl-read" role in a scoped token... not necessarily scoped to the project that owns the secret...20:32
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kfox1111I'm a little worried the one way is too specific for things like the instance users to work,20:33
redrobotkfox1111 someone using ACL would need both the "acl-read" role in their token (not sure about what project scope) as well as have the user-id listed in the ACL20:33
kfox1111and the other is loose enough it might not be all the valuable.20:33
redrobotkfox1111 good points... I wish woodster would be here to argue more for this change20:35
kfox1111is there a spec?20:35
redrobotI don't think so... we've had a couple of discussions about it, but it hasn't been put into a spec20:36
redrobotprobably would be good to do if woodster really wants this change.20:36
kfox1111might be good to do a spec then, since these types of things can be discussed in the spec.20:36
kfox1111yeah.20:36
kfox1111it still might be a good idea, just may need to be thought out carefully.20:36
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redrobot#action redrobot to ping woodster about writing a spec for the additional acl role20:37
kfox1111thx.20:37
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redrobotThat's all I have on the agenda for today20:38
redrobot#topic Open Discussion20:38
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redrobotany questions/comments/reviews that need to be brought up now?20:38
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kfarrHas anyone submitted any proposals for Tokyo?20:38
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redrobotkfarr not yet... we have a meeting sometime this week to brainstorm possible topics20:39
kfox1111any more reviewers for the Container ACL and Fetch API spec? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190404/20:39
kfarrok just checking!20:39
dave-mccowani still have the same two open reviews as last week: https://review.openstack.org/181291  and https://review.openstack.org/17102320:39
redrobotkfarr how about you?  have you submitted anything?20:40
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silosI uploaded a new patch last week on a spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194298/320:40
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kfarrNo, we were trying to come up with topics last week20:42
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redrobotI think it would be good to do a "How to deploy Barbican" talk... but we're still figuring it out >_<20:43
kfarr:D20:43
elmikoredrobot: +120:43
kfarrOh, by the way, the Barbican wrapper for Castellan only needs a workflow! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171918/20:44
elmikoooh \o/20:44
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redrobotkfarr excellent!20:44
rellerreller_A security overview talk would be good. We could highlight what good security things are already in OpenStack and what is missing.20:45
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elmikothat would be a nice talk too20:46
kfox1111it might make some folks cry though. :/20:46
kfox1111I want to every time  Isee passwords passed through userdata. :/20:46
redrobotrellerreller_ +1 ... sounds kindof like dave-mccowan 's talk in Vancouver.  It was a really good overview of security topics.20:46
elmikoyea, maybe better to say "how you can improve security using barbican" ;)20:46
kfox1111and instance users are not going to land in liberty. :_(20:47
rellerreller_I missed dave-mccowan 's talk :(20:47
redrobotkfox1111 bummer.20:47
elmikorellerreller_: it was nice20:47
kfox1111nova's getting very slow at reviews. :/20:48
redrobotrellerreller_ https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-videos/presentation/securing-your-openstack-cloud20:48
dave-mccowanthanks.  the video's on the openstack website.  rob clark also usually does an security overview talk.20:48
kfarrrellerreller_, dave-mccowan's was a good one!20:49
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redrobotAlrighty y'all, I think that about does it for this meeting.20:53
redrobotthanks everyone for coming!20:53
redrobot#endmeeting20:53
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