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kozhukalovguys, is anybody here and interested in having meeting today?16:00
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agordeevhi16:00
akislitskyhi16:00
IvanKliukhi16:01
angdraug\o16:01
mwhahahahola16:01
kozhukalovok, looks like there are some people here16:01
prmtlo/16:01
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kozhukalov#startmeeting Fuel16:01
openstackMeeting started Thu May 21 16:01:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'fuel'16:01
kozhukalov#chair kozhukalov16:01
openstackCurrent chairs: kozhukalov16:01
kozhukalovagenda for today is quite small16:01
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kozhukalov#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda16:02
kozhukalov#topic HCF status16:02
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kozhukalovwe still have more than 5 bugs16:02
kozhukalovso we can not introduce hcf16:03
kozhukalovbut most of them are in progress16:03
mihgenkozhukalov: any success with weird MCollective issues?16:03
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kozhukalovwe've fixed 3 bugs related to mcollective this week16:04
kozhukalovbut i believe you are asking about this one16:04
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kozhukalov#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1452153/16:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1452153 in Fuel for OpenStack "IBP does not start due to mcollective problem" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel provisioning team (fuel-provisioning)16:04
mihgenyes16:05
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kozhukalovfirst, last comments to this bug was from env based on 377 build16:05
kozhukalovquite old one16:05
kozhukalovsecond there is no access to this env16:05
kozhukalovbut I've asked them and hope they'll give access tonight16:06
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mwhahahaI think by chance i ran in to that problem earlier this week.  mcollective was running and i ended up having to start another instance and the deploy finished16:06
kozhukalovthird, from logs it  became clear16:06
mihgenany idea how we could repeatedly reproduce it?16:07
kozhukalovthat mcollective stoped and didn't send any log messages right after it was restarted by nailgun-agent16:07
mwhahahano idea for mine, there were actually 2 mcollective agents running at the time.  when i did a service restart it started up a 3rd16:07
mwhahahait hasn't been consistant16:07
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kozhukalovthis bug is about failed mcollective on bootstrap, not on target OS16:08
mwhahahayea it was stuck durring the bootstrap16:08
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kozhukalovanyway, access is needed16:09
kozhukalovto figure out what is going on16:09
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kozhukalovin a nutshell, this bug is in progress16:09
kozhukalovnetwork is ok, iptables is ok, it is 100% mcollective related problem16:10
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kozhukalovare there any other questions/comments about hcf16:11
kozhukalov?16:11
kozhukalovok, open discussion then16:11
kozhukalov#topic Open Discussion16:12
mihgenwe are close to it.. let's nail down the remaining issues..16:12
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kozhukalovmihgen: we even have nailgun for that16:12
kozhukalov-)16:12
kozhukalovis there anything to discuss?16:13
kozhukalovmany people are treveling to Openstack Summit16:13
angdrauganyone heard anything interesting from Vancouver?16:13
kozhukalovyes, i've heard16:13
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kozhukalovpeople werer very excited about app catalog16:14
kozhukalovgreat success16:14
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angdraugI'd like to plug the user survey results:16:14
angdraug#link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-users-share-how-their-deployments-stack-up16:14
angdraugFuel did very well among the deployment tools :D16:14
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angdraug#3 overall, #2 in dev/test use cases16:15
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ogelbukhI wonder why the grand total is >100% tho :)16:15
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kozhukalovinteresting16:15
angdraugmultichoice question16:15
ogelbukhdoes fuel counts as puppet as well?16:15
angdraugI suspect that yes16:15
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angdraugsurvey didn't originally have Fuel on the list, it was added after overwhelming number of people entered "Fuel" as the "other" option16:16
kozhukalovfuel is third place16:16
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angdraugso it's likely that some fuel users picked puppet16:16
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angdraugnext time, it will be more objective since it will be in the list from the start16:17
kozhukalovyes, we hope so16:17
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mihgenno tripleO in there?16:17
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angdraugwhat's that? :p16:18
kozhukalovby the way I'm a little bit disappointed by the fact that many important features were thrown away from 7.0 release16:18
kozhukalovmihgen: any comments on the 7.0 scope?16:19
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mihgenwe'd need to update blueprints. With the current team in place we have to be realistic if we want to fit into 7.0 schedule (let me share link )16:19
mihgen#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/7.0_Release_Schedule16:20
mihgenmany things can be done as plugins16:20
mihgenbut for core work, main drivers would be granular deployment and flexible networking16:20
IvanKliukmihgen: is there features' list for 7.0?16:21
kozhukalovmihgen: does that mean that all team members are going to be busy on 7.0 features?16:21
mihgenthis should become a baseground for further changes16:21
mihgenwe'd need to reflect plannings in the list of blueprints for the next release16:22
kozhukalovi mean there are some quite complicated features which probably need more time than just one month, and they have a chance to be thrown away from 7.1 as well16:22
ogelbukhI'm a little concerned with advanced networking becoming kinda SDN solutoin of it's own..16:22
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mihgenogelbukh: what do you mean by that? You've got to do underlay anyway and Fuel should be flexible here16:23
ogelbukhbut the most disappointing thing is postponing volume manager works16:23
mihgencurrently it's not16:23
ogelbukhyes, I mean flexibility of underlay16:23
mihgenogelbukh: we've not found enough python folks to work on volume manager16:23
mihgenso if there are any from other than Fuel Core teams, then it might be possible16:24
ogelbukhmihgen: well, as it's refactoring work, I guess even 1 developer can make a difference16:24
mihgenogelbukh: current estimate I'm aware of is 2.5 folks for the whole cycle16:24
kozhukalovogelbukh: i'd say it rather total re-working than re-factoring16:25
ogelbukhmihgen: for the full scope of the work?16:25
mihgenthe work can be started of course, especially design16:25
ogelbukhkozhukalov: oh16:25
ogelbukhalright then :)16:25
ogelbukhyeah16:25
ogelbukhI'd say let's create a spec by the 7.016:25
mihgenogelbukh: yeah here the issue is it needs total rework finally..16:25
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mihgenwith many workarounds applied over time16:25
angdraugironic how the term "refactor" was introduced as an opposite to "rewrite", and now it became a synonym ...16:25
kozhukalovyes, I think, at least the design must be in place before 7.0 ff16:26
ogelbukhbecause I'd really like to understand what it should look like before the first patch :)16:26
ogelbukh(and what it shouldn't look like fwiw)16:26
ogelbukhkozhukalov: +116:26
kozhukalovin fact, i've started working on design of new volume manager but16:27
kozhukalovhaven't finished yet16:28
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kozhukalovstill in my head16:28
ogelbukhkozhukalov: OK :)16:28
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kozhukalovit is important not to make it pain in my a..16:29
kozhukalov-)16:29
kozhukalovok, any other updates, comments, suggestions?16:29
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IvanKliukis there features' list for 7.0?16:30
kozhukalovis someone is going to make a talk about Fuel during summit?16:30
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kozhukalovIvanKliuk: yes, there is16:31
kozhukalovbut it is in jira16:31
IvanKliukkozhukalov: OK16:31
kozhukalovIvanKliuk: please ask akislitsky for the link16:31
angdraugit should all be reflected in blueprints in LP, eventually16:31
kozhukalovangdraug: right, but the entire discussion is in jira16:32
angdraugyes :(16:32
kozhukalovabout which features are going to be a part of 7.0 and which aren't16:32
kozhukalovok, looks like we are done16:33
kozhukalovclosing?16:33
kozhukalovthanks everyone for attending16:33
kozhukalov#endmeeting16:34
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kozhukalovtoo late16:34
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