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| sc68cal | hi all | 14:59 |
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| xuhanp | Hello | 15:00 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 10 15:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 15:00 |
| ihrachyshka | o/ | 15:00 |
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| HenryG | o/ | 15:01 |
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| sc68cal | I'm currently at the operations meetup, so I'm a little out of the loop today | 15:01 |
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| sc68cal | so it's an open floor, for people to use to discuss patches and reviews | 15:01 |
| SridharG | hello | 15:01 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 15:02 |
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| haleyb | (crickets) | 15:06 |
| HenryG | So there is the issue of whether the updated dibbler will be sufficiently available in distros for Kilo | 15:06 |
| * HenryG is not sure how to tell | 15:07 | |
| sc68cal | We may need to reach out to packagers and give them a heads up | 15:07 |
| john-davidge | ihrachyshka: Do you have any thoughts on that? | 15:08 |
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| ihrachyshka | john-davidge, well, on Fedora/RDO/RHEL-OSP side, we'll make sure it's packaged. | 15:12 |
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| ihrachyshka | john-davidge, for other distributions, ... no idea. the best way to get their attention we have is implementing sanity check for the client. | 15:12 |
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| john-davidge | ihrachyshka: Excellent! What's the timeline on that? | 15:12 |
| ihrachyshka | that would also test specific features you added | 15:12 |
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| sc68cal | I can ping Thomas Goirand for the debian side | 15:13 |
| john-davidge | ihrachyshka: A new patchset which includes the sanity check will be up for review later today :) | 15:13 |
| ihrachyshka | john-davidge, hah. it's just on my todo list. :) I think I'll have something around rc1, maybe a bit earlier. | 15:13 |
| sc68cal | that might flow down into Ubuntu | 15:13 |
| john-davidge | ihrachyshka: awesome, thanks | 15:13 |
| john-davidge | sc68cal: That sounds great, much appreciated | 15:13 |
| ihrachyshka | lots of packaging work this cycle, I fail to keep up with everything | 15:14 |
| ihrachyshka | (neutron wise) | 15:14 |
| sc68cal | john-davidge: Should I cc you for the introduction and you can explain? | 15:14 |
| john-davidge | sc68cal: Yes please - jodavidg@cisco.com | 15:14 |
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| john-davidge | sc68cal: I'm sure Robert Li would appreciate a cc as well - baoli@cisco.com | 15:15 |
| sc68cal | will do | 15:16 |
| SridharG | I have a small question - any specific reason behind choosing dibbler over other clients (i.e., dhcp6c)? | 15:18 |
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| HenryG | Thomas Goirand is zigo - sometimes he responds when you mention his nick :) | 15:19 |
| john-davidge | SridharG: None of the clients currently available support the functionality we need. Dibbler was the most complete and easiest to contribute to in our opinion | 15:20 |
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| SridharG | john-davidge: thanks. | 15:21 |
| sc68cal | HenryG: ah thanks, I was trying to remember his nick | 15:22 |
| sc68cal | #chair HenryG | 15:22 |
| openstack | Current chairs: HenryG sc68cal | 15:22 |
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| sc68cal | my battery is at 3%, so HenryG might need to take over while I seek electricity | 15:22 |
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| sc68cal | Ok, so looks like things have petered out, I'm going to go ahead and close it out for the day. I will promise to build an agenda for next week, my apologies! | 15:41 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 10 15:41:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-03-10-15.00.html | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-03-10-15.00.txt | 15:41 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-03-10-15.00.log.html | 15:41 |
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| serg_melikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 10 17:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serg_melikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| serg_melikyan | Hi folks! o/ | 17:00 |
| henar | hi | 17:00 |
| aderyugin | hi! | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev | Hi there. I was to contact the i18n guys about an easy way to check for i18n errors | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev | I actually attended their meeting. Unfortunatelly there is no easy way. The project i18n-test aims to provide one, but it is in it's infant stage. | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev | But | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev | Btw. Am I too quick? | 17:03 |
| stan_lagun | no :) | 17:03 |
| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev: you jumped straight to Action Items? :) | 17:03 |
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| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev: kinda, but no worries | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev | yep I did. =) | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev | so back to my "but" | 17:04 |
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| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev is talking about following AI: kzaitsev, ask oslo.i18n team if they have an easy way to test that and file a bp to actually test translations | 17:05 |
| pashkin | Hello! | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev | but. I'm not the only one who want's such a way, and there is for a example this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142239/ commit to horizon, that looks really promising | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev | It aims to check for translation problems in horizon. I haven't had enough time to look into it, but it seems like a good start. | 17:07 |
| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev: so you are going to explore this tool and see if it is suitable for us? | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev | serg_melikyan: yes, it looks exactly like a tool I was looking for. | 17:08 |
| serg_melikyan | #action kzaitsev, plans to check tool for testing translation tool introduced in Horizon: https://review.openstack.org/142239 and see if it suitable for us | 17:08 |
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| serg_melikyan | Next action item is for you, Stan ;) | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev | Aaand that's basicly all I have to say about i18n for now. +) | 17:10 |
| serg_melikyan | #2 slagun, write short description how k8s works and incompatibilities with OpenStack | 17:10 |
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| serg_melikyan | Stan, I believe you forgot to publish this e-mail to the mailing list | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev | oh just a sec. there're actually two interesting commits, aiming at the i18n task, 2d being https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147262/ | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev | to oslo.i18n | 17:11 |
| stan_lagun | Yes, but it is outdated anyway since we figured out how k8s networking works | 17:11 |
| serg_melikyan | I believe we already overcome issue with networking in k8s maybe it will be beneficial to share problen & solution and discuss options about native integration with Magnum folks | 17:11 |
| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev: awesome :) Looks very promising, I hope we will add tests soon for i18n | 17:12 |
| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: what do you think? | 17:13 |
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| stan_lagun | serg_melikyan: I really don't know what to write there. On this stage there is really nothing to discuss. I think better approach would be to publish some release notes on how the final solution works and then to improve it for the next release according to feedback | 17:14 |
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| stan_lagun | Otherwise it will be hard for people to understand | 17:14 |
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| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: we can discuss options for native integration with LBaaS - I believe folks from Magnum will be interested. We may discuss that with them in they channel first to see if there is a topic to discuss | 17:15 |
| stan_lagun | Integration with LBaaS is straight forward. What do you want to discuss there? Just give LBaaS member IPs фтв ерфеы ше | 17:16 |
| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: let's do it - I will join to discussion with them | 17:16 |
| stan_lagun | *and thats it | 17:16 |
| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: I am talking about when k8s interacts with LBaaS | 17:17 |
| serg_melikyan | directly | 17:17 |
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| serg_melikyan | stan_lagun: ok, I will start and let's see. I am interested in tight native integration between k8s and OpenStack - and how Magnum does k8s deployement | 17:19 |
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| serg_melikyan | Let's move on | 17:19 |
| serg_melikyan | #topic PTL Election | 17:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey folks | 17:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | serg_melikyan, asked me to help with ptl elections | 17:20 |
| serg_melikyan | Yesterday I proposed to move Murano to openstack namespace, and folks pointed out that we don't have officially elected PTL | 17:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I've been doing it previously for about 5 times and schema is very easy | 17:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | serg_melikyan, yeah, it should be anyway resolved to avoid such things in future | 17:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, let me describe the common election process | 17:21 |
| serg_melikyan | SergeyLukjanov: thank you for the help :) | 17:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | Elections will be held using CIVS and a Condorcet algorithm | 17:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it's a Schulze/Beatpath/CSSD variant | 17:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any tie will be broken using https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TieBreaking | 17:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the timeline is | 17:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | one week for candidates proposals | 17:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and one week for voting | 17:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in order to be an eligible candidate (and be allowed to vote) in a PTL election, you need to have contributed an accepted patch to one of the murano projects during the last yea | 17:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | r | 17:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hm, sounds like the only question is | 17:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | what's the PTL timeframe we'll be electing for | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev | one more week for voting? so it's 2 weeks total, right? | 17:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | kzaitsev, yup, if there will be more than one candidate | 17:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO it should be rest of Kilo + Liberty | 17:24 |
| serg_melikyan | SergeyLukjanov: I would say until end of the next release? | 17:24 |
| serg_melikyan | SergeyLukjanov: =1 | 17:24 |
| serg_melikyan | +1 | 17:24 |
| serg_melikyan | SergeyLukjanov: How we are proposing candidates? | 17:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I will send an email to -dev for opening candidates proposals | 17:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and candidate should propose himself by sending an email to -dev | 17:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | with specific subject and telling his own story :) | 17:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any other questions? | 17:27 |
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| serg_melikyan | SergeyLukjanov: Everything looks pretty clear, thank you for the help! | 17:27 |
| serg_melikyan | Let's do it :) | 17:27 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | np, so, I'm disappearing now and will send an email later today | 17:28 |
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| serg_melikyan | SergeyLukjanov: thank you :) | 17:28 |
| * serg_melikyan is wondering if ruhe will be interested in one more round of PTL :D | 17:28 | |
| serg_melikyan | Folks any other things around this topic that we need to discus? | 17:29 |
| serg_melikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:30 |
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| serg_melikyan | I would like to discuss topic around diversity | 17:30 |
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| serg_melikyan | I mean contribution diversity, unfortunately we too focused on features that we want to implement, and less focused on diversity :( | 17:31 |
| serg_melikyan | We need to work on our code-review, and increase of review contribution from folks not from Mirantis. | 17:31 |
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| kzaitsev | I wonder how that could be done.. =) | 17:32 |
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| serg_melikyan | kzaitsev: moar reviews :) | 17:32 |
| serg_melikyan | We need more core-reviewers :) | 17:33 |
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| serg_melikyan | henar: You have great contribution to Murano in terms of features (and I hope we will finish review of them soon), but we miss code-review contribution that is essential to become core member in Murano | 17:33 |
| serg_melikyan | :( | 17:33 |
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| henar | yes. you are right. in fact, we are not in a better position for revision, since we know how openstack and murano code works | 17:34 |
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| kzaitsev | Ok then, so lets' review more =) and try to attract other people to review more =) | 17:35 |
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| serg_melikyan | henar: I am sure that you folks know a lot about Murano and OpenStack, and we would really appreciate more involvement in Reviews, that would be one of the last missing part to become core member in Murani | 17:35 |
| serg_melikyan | *Murano | 17:36 |
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| henar | sure | 17:37 |
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| serg_melikyan | http://stackalytics.com/?project_type=all&module=murano&metric=marks - this a great tool to measure involvement to the project and usually following page http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/murano/30 is used for measuring impact of contributor to reviews | 17:39 |
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| serg_melikyan | Any other topics to discuss for today? | 17:42 |
| freerunner | serg_melikyan: I'm think we can discuss a job with Congress/Mistral integration | 17:43 |
| serg_melikyan | freerunner: yeah, last week we spent a lot of time fixing this job | 17:43 |
| serg_melikyan | freerunner: we anywhere near to make it work? | 17:43 |
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| freerunner | serg_melikyan: So, the job now not fixed yet. Me and Filip spent a lot of time to try to find a workaround. So, the last problem is global variables in project-config | 17:45 |
| serg_melikyan | Which global variables? | 17:45 |
| freerunner | serg_melikyan: Global variables which enablec Congress policies | 17:46 |
| freerunner | serg_melikyan: we have code that exports this variable, but this code works incorrectly | 17:46 |
| serg_melikyan | ? | 17:47 |
| serg_melikyan | You mean patchset fixing True -> true? | 17:47 |
| serg_melikyan | Or we have another issue? | 17:47 |
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| freerunner | serg_melikyan: It seems that this patch don't fixes job | 17:48 |
| serg_melikyan | Did you found root cause? | 17:49 |
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| freerunner | serg_melikyan: Not yet. =( | 17:50 |
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| serg_melikyan | Job is not voting yet - so it not breaks our gate, we have time to work on this issue | 17:50 |
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| freerunner | serg_melikyan: So, we can set this variable as True by default in our devstack/lib, but i'm think that this is bad workaround. | 17:51 |
| serg_melikyan | freerunner: agree, I don't like this workaround | 17:53 |
| serg_melikyan | let's spend some more time working on this | 17:54 |
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| freerunner | serg_melikyan: I hope that Serg Lukjanov can help us with this job. | 17:55 |
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| serg_melikyan | I think we are missing something trivial | 17:56 |
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| serg_melikyan | Thank you, folks! | 17:57 |
| serg_melikyan | #endmeeting murano | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 10 17:57:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-03-10-17.00.html | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-03-10-17.00.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-03-10-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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| slagle | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 10 19:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slagle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:00 |
| slagle | hi folks | 19:00 |
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| lifeless | o/ | 19:01 |
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| jdob | o/ | 19:01 |
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| * jdob is entirely too proud of himself for not messing up with the DST change | 19:02 | |
| dprince | hello | 19:02 |
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| slagle | this would be the first time i've made a tripleo meeting the first time after DST | 19:02 |
| slagle | i won't lie about how long i spent double checking and confirming what time it would actually be at | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 19:03 |
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| slagle | #topic agenda | 19:03 |
| slagle | * bugs | 19:03 |
| slagle | * reviews | 19:03 |
| slagle | * Projects needing releases | 19:03 |
| slagle | * CI | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
| slagle | * Specs | 19:03 |
| slagle | * open discussion | 19:03 |
| slagle | the astute among you will notice i've removed the CD cloud from the agenda items | 19:04 |
| slagle | #topic bugs | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:04 | |
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| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-net-config | 19:04 |
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| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:04 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:04 |
| slagle | jdob: wasn't someone working on this for tuskar? https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1401617 | 19:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1401617 in tripleo "Flavor based ramdisk/kernel ID is deprecated in Ironic since Juno" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Clint Byrum (clint-fewbar) | 19:05 |
| slagle | i thought i saw some commits from someone | 19:05 |
| * jdob looking | 19:06 | |
| slagle | ah yea, this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160528/ | 19:06 |
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| jdob | ya, that's UI's jurisdiction | 19:06 |
| jdob | not trying to blow you off, just that it's not something I've looked at | 19:07 |
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| slagle | yea, too bad the UI doesn't use os-cloud-config | 19:07 |
| slagle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1421835 is fix committed, the neutron revert landed | 19:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1421835 in tripleo "Timeout reached while waiting for callback for node" [Critical,Fix committed] - Assigned to Ben Nemec (bnemec) | 19:08 |
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| dprince | slagle: we need to remove the cherrypick fix though | 19:08 |
| dprince | slagle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162212/ | 19:09 |
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| slagle | ok, i added a comment in the bug that's it pending that | 19:10 |
| * bnemec thanks openstack for the reminder that he was missing the meeting | 19:11 | |
| dprince | slagle: oh, I think we can close the bug now. Just would like to get the cherrypick nuked too | 19:11 |
| slagle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1423228 should be fix committed as well? | 19:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1423228 in tripleo "L3 agent for nova compute could not be found" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Derek Higgins (derekh) | 19:11 |
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| slagle | the fix has merged | 19:11 |
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| slagle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1425238 too | 19:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1425238 in tripleo "Heat: Failed to validate parameter errors" [Critical,Triaged] | 19:12 |
| slagle | man, great meetnig so far. just closed 3 crits | 19:12 |
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| jdob | \o/ | 19:13 |
| slagle | please review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161836/ | 19:13 |
| slagle | it should help with getting f21 going | 19:13 |
| slagle | same for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162442/ | 19:14 |
| slagle | dprince: while we're on the subject, are there any other f21 related reviews to prioritize? | 19:14 |
| * dprince looks | 19:15 | |
| dprince | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162443/ (kernel-modules) package | 19:15 |
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| dprince | ^^^ I'm actually not 100% installing it there is the right spot, but it seemed reasonable | 19:15 |
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| dprince | and this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162442/ (tftp fix) | 19:15 |
| dprince | These last two cause the most cryptic errors (if you don't have the fixes in place) | 19:16 |
| bnemec | Already merged^ | 19:16 |
| dprince | I filed tickets which describe the issues though so it should be straightforward. | 19:16 |
| bnemec | :-) | 19:16 |
| slagle | i don't think there is a kernel-modules for f20 | 19:16 |
| dprince | bnemec: I'm behind man :) | 19:16 |
| slagle | so yea, that might not be the right thing | 19:16 |
| bnemec | It's all good, yum is stupid and will continue even if it's missing packages. | 19:17 |
| dprince | slagle: right, there isn't a kernel-modules for f20... but it doesn't break anything | 19:17 |
| slagle | ah, yes | 19:17 |
| slagle | relying on yum being stupid | 19:17 |
| slagle | wfm | 19:17 |
| dprince | slagle: and I think both RHEL and fedora will eventually do this | 19:17 |
| slagle | k, i think that's it for bugs | 19:18 |
| dprince | anyways, that is all of my F21 concerns for now. proceed | 19:18 |
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| slagle | there were only a few other untriaged bugs, which i just did | 19:18 |
| dprince | FWIW with those fixes and a new qemu patch the CI job would pass I think (with packages) | 19:18 |
| slagle | #topic reviews | 19:19 |
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| jdob | ya, i already know i'm not keeping up my pace lately | 19:19 |
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| dprince | so long as you guys review my patches I think we are doing fine | 19:20 |
| slagle | haha | 19:20 |
| jdob | haha | 19:20 |
| jdob | so the take away here is that dprince's patches count 3x towards our minimums | 19:21 |
| slagle | well, yea, unfortunately i think we are in a bit of a bad habit of each only reviewing the stuff we immediately care about | 19:21 |
| slagle | if i had to guess | 19:21 |
| * slagle has no evidence | 19:21 | |
| jdob | guilty | 19:21 |
| * jdob will make a better effort | 19:21 | |
| bnemec | I'm just not reviewing anything anymore. | 19:21 |
| bnemec | Except during the meeting so it looks like I'm doing something. ;-) | 19:22 |
| slagle | bnemec: so you don't care about anything :) | 19:22 |
| slagle | anyway, i'll take a closer look at reviews myself this week and see if there's anything that can be prioritized | 19:22 |
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| slagle | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:23 |
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| slagle | i think it's been a couple weeks since releases, so it's probably worth taking a look and releasing what's needed | 19:24 |
| slagle | i can do it if there are no volunteers | 19:24 |
| jdob | i'll do it | 19:24 |
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| slagle | cool, thx | 19:25 |
| slagle | #action jdob to do releases | 19:25 |
| slagle | #topic CI | 19:25 |
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| slagle | i think CI has been looking pretty good the last few days | 19:25 |
| slagle | we haven't had to revert anything in 3 or 4 days now :) | 19:26 |
| slagle | #link http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/s_tripleo-jobs.html | 19:26 |
| jdob | we need a sign "Days since last revert" :) | 19:26 |
| slagle | #link http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/tripleo-jobs.html | 19:26 |
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| slagle | #topic Specs | 19:27 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 19:27 |
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| SpamapS | I posted a spec for making diskimage builder elements have sane argument encapsulation | 19:28 |
| slagle | i was just about say, we have a new spec! | 19:28 |
| dprince | FWIW the tripleo 'check experimental' job is proving useful in prevent regressions too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162260/3 | 19:28 |
| dprince | ^^^ this is meant to fix the intial missing tftp options fix that took 2 weeks to get reverted. | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | Anyway, review when you have time. It is a non-urgent task to try and start reigning in the blatant abuse of global namespace that we have now. | 19:29 |
| slagle | SpamapS: nice, i'll review it | 19:29 |
| slagle | #topic open discussion | 19:30 |
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| dprince | SpamapS: sounds like a good thing to work on | 19:30 |
| slagle | any other open items to discuss? | 19:31 |
| greghaynes | *crickets* | 19:31 |
| dprince | i've got some | 19:31 |
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| greghaynes | ++ on the namespacing vars spec | 19:31 |
| dprince | so we've got a growing list of deprecation warnings in our logs | 19:31 |
| dprince | I would like to make a pass at squashing those... but before I do I would like agreement about what are targets are | 19:32 |
| dprince | i.e. if I start using a new Kilo config option I don't want someone -1'ing all my patches | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | IMO kilo opts are entirely on the table | 19:32 |
| dprince | and if we choose not to do this I suppose we can just get broken at some point later when the options are removed after the release | 19:32 |
| dprince | SpamapS: I would agree | 19:33 |
| slagle | yea, i'm in agreement we need to move forward | 19:33 |
| dprince | anyways, looking at the logs is a bit concerning. Its like 10-20 warnings... and then what you actually want to see in some cases. | 19:34 |
| slagle | i think it would be reasonable to revisit the backwards compat (perhaps with the stable branches again) at a later date | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | Perhaps that needs to start becoming a whitelist and any new ones get a test fail. | 19:34 |
| dprince | mostly oslo and keystoneclient auth_token settings | 19:34 |
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| dprince | but there may be some other odd deprecations in the mix too | 19:34 |
| slagle | i noticed os-cloud-config was throwing a few too while using novaclient 1.1 | 19:34 |
| dprince | anyways, I notice these when I started the F21 stuff on Friday | 19:35 |
| dprince | seems like we have tentative agreement that using new Kilo options is acceptable to get clean logs | 19:35 |
| slagle | dprince: sounds like a good plan to me | 19:35 |
| greghaynes | probably a good thing to let the list know | 19:36 |
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| dprince | Another thing I'd like to bring up in CI jobs... | 19:36 |
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| dprince | I'd like to thing about possibly restructuring a few of the jobs to help increase our coverage outside of TripleO | 19:36 |
| dprince | For example heat. | 19:36 |
| greghaynes | Id be fine without 'asking the list', but a 'hey, were going to start using kilo config options' is good | 19:36 |
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| dprince | The overcloud-without-mergepy job is proving to be really useful at finding Heat regressions | 19:37 |
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| dprince | The new heat templates use a ton more Heat features, nested stacks, parameter types, etc. | 19:37 |
| dprince | Especially the puppet job | 19:38 |
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| dprince | So for the puppet job if we were to build the seed with 'source', but the overcloud with 'packages' we could provided coverage on these things in Heat | 19:38 |
| dprince | make sense? | 19:38 |
| dprince | Right now, the way I did the initial puppet job was to use packages for both the seed and the overcloud. | 19:39 |
| dprince | Eventually I think our upstream packages would support building an inline Heat package, but we aren't there yet. | 19:39 |
| dprince | So until then using a source built seed would solve this and give us the ability to increase the CI coverage a bit | 19:39 |
| slagle | yea makes sense to me | 19:40 |
| bnemec | Can't we run an all-source without-mergepy job? | 19:40 |
| bnemec | The mergepy templates are deprecated, so we need one of those at some point anyway. | 19:40 |
| slagle | i think what he's saying is that the puppet job uses more heat features in the templates | 19:40 |
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| dprince | bnemec: yes, but the puppet stuff is specifically doing some new patterns which we are finding aren't covered well in Heat | 19:40 |
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| bnemec | Okay, so we specifically need the puppet nomergpy stuff. | 19:41 |
| bnemec | WFM | 19:41 |
| dprince | Okay. I may ask the Heat crew and see what they think about this | 19:41 |
| dprince | On a similar note I would like to re-work some of other CI jobs to use overcloud-without-mergepy as well. | 19:41 |
| dprince | Ironic for example. | 19:42 |
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| dprince | This seems reasonable because mergepy is deprecated now... I would like almost all of the CI to be using overcloud-without-mergepy I think. | 19:42 |
| bnemec | +1 | 19:42 |
| slagle | sure, i think now that it's dperecated, we can get away with just 1 overcloud job that uses mergepy | 19:43 |
| slagle | or perhaps none. still, it'd be nice to know if we do break it | 19:43 |
| greghaynes | ++, I thought we decided at the meetup that we were going to allow adding new heat features that do not work in the -with-mergepy templates? | 19:43 |
| greghaynes | which seems like wed have to basically stop CIing it to move foward | 19:43 |
| slagle | i guess it depends if those features are only in the non-mergepy templates | 19:44 |
| dprince | greghaynes: we did, I'm with regards to Heat I was talking about them breaking features we were using in overcloud-without-mergepy | 19:44 |
| dprince | greghaynes: I believe heat would allow us to swap this into their check job and then we'd catch things before they land there (potentially) | 19:44 |
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| greghaynes | ooo | 19:45 |
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| greghaynes | as long as they actually check it ;) | 19:45 |
| greghaynes | but yes, ++ on doing less without-mergepy CI | 19:46 |
| bnemec | *more? | 19:47 |
| greghaynes | argh, right | 19:47 |
| greghaynes | less with-mergepy, more without | 19:47 |
| bnemec | Just checking. :-) | 19:47 |
| slagle | in other business, i did send an email to the list entitled "getting to a 1.0". just trying to refocus our efforts a bit, and see if there are any other over-arching themes people want to bring up | 19:48 |
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| slagle | and see if we can/should draw some conclusions about the direction we're headed | 19:49 |
| slagle | have a look if you're interested | 19:50 |
| slagle | anything else folks want to bring up? | 19:50 |
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| slagle | k, if not, then we'll call it early! | 19:51 |
| slagle | thx everyone | 19:51 |
| slagle | #endmeeting | 19:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 10 19:51:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-03-10-19.00.html | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-03-10-19.00.txt | 19:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-03-10-19.00.log.html | 19:51 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 10 21:00:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-03-10_2100_UTC Our Agenda | 21:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:01 | |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 21:01 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 21:01 |
| thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 21:01 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:01 |
| james_li | James Li | 21:01 |
| muralia | Murali Allada | 21:01 |
| kebray | Keith Bray | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 21:01 |
| hblixt | Henrik Blixt | 21:02 |
| adrian_otto | thomasem: Welcome. Were you here for Magnum or Solum? | 21:02 |
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| thomasem | adrian_otto: Oh, sorry. Lost track of time >.> Thanks daylight savings time. | 21:02 |
| thomasem | I'm here for Magnum | 21:02 |
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| gpilz | Gilbert Pilz | 21:03 |
| adrian_otto | hi hblixt devkulkarni kebray james_li mkam and datsun180b | 21:03 |
| adrian_otto | hi gpilz | 21:03 |
| Roshan | Roshan Agrawal | 21:03 |
| adrian_otto | ok, Magnum will meet in 1 hour. | 21:03 |
| adrian_otto | yay for DST. | 21:03 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:04 | |
| adrian_otto | any announcements from team members? | 21:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 21:05 |
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| adrian_otto | (none) | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 21:05 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, before we dive in I have a request to resurface | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | that for each review we submit we link it to a bug or blueprint in the commit message. | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | this is so when we tag releases, all of our progress is clearly tracked. | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | sorry for all my -1 votes on your merge quality code | 21:06 |
| datsun180b | Understood. My --json patch was something I wanted to add; I've been awful about bugs and bps lately | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | it's not only you datsun180b | 21:06 |
| devkulkarni | sounds good to me. | 21:06 |
| datsun180b | but it's at least me | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | I just wnat to reinforce that it's important to me to make sure everyone is getting credit for their work | 21:07 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so the first task I want to visit is: | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/154614 Adds a --json flag to request JSON output | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | so this one got a +2 vote, and a very long delay with no additional comments | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | so I think it is worth a look now to see if we can approve this for merge | 21:08 |
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| adrian_otto | my question about async delete was answered, so a 202 response seems appropriate. | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | any discussion on this topic? | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | I have looked at this patch before | 21:09 |
| kebray | it doesn't look like anyone else has reviewed the patch. | 21:09 |
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| kebray | doh, I misspoke | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | but haven't got time to dig into the details. sorry about that. | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: I will look at it asap | 21:09 |
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| datsun180b | cool | 21:10 |
| datsun180b | it'll be easier to parse output | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | sure | 21:10 |
| datsun180b | and to autogenerate examples and debug output | 21:10 |
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| devkulkarni | makes sense. it is a good addition | 21:10 |
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| * kebray says, adrian_otto, Roshan and I want to tag a topic on to the end of the agenda: "unique vs. non-unique plan/LP names" | 21:11 | |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will be going through all the reviews again now that almost all of them have the right commit message links. | 21:11 |
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| adrian_otto | kebray: ok. | 21:12 |
| muralia | cool. I want to discuss that too | 21:12 |
| adrian_otto | are there anoy BP's or Tasks that need team review today? | 21:12 |
| adrian_otto | s/anoy/other/ | 21:12 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Unique/non-Unique plan/lp names | 21:13 |
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| adrian_otto | kebray and Roshan proceed | 21:14 |
| kebray | Ok.. so, adrian_otto you may be able to help... | 21:14 |
| kebray | I want Solum to be consitent with how it handles LP names and App names. | 21:14 |
| Roshan | Murali and I discussed so far to enforce uniqueness | 21:14 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, why? | 21:14 |
| Roshan | within a tenant | 21:14 |
| kebray | So, either we allow non-unique names, or we enforce unique names... I don't want inconsistent behavior. | 21:14 |
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| adrian_otto | I can express an argument for non-unique app names | 21:15 |
| kebray | adrian_otto, I contend that it is a better user experience to have the behavior across "noun create" and "noun list" be the same where possible. | 21:15 |
| kebray | adrian_otto, I want non-unique app names too. | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | if we plan to support Green/Blue deployment, it is useful to have two versions of the same app running concurrently. | 21:16 |
| kebray | but, more importantly I want consistency. | 21:16 |
| Roshan | adrian_otto: what is the argument for non unique names? | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | the unique attribute in that case is id/uuid | 21:16 |
| kebray | ++ adrian_otto | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | whereas name is simply a shortcut to the id | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | our code allows for operating on a resource by name or id. | 21:17 |
| kebray | I also think that non-unique names is the default for most other things in openstack, e.g. Glace images, Heat stacks, etc. | 21:17 |
| adrian_otto | in the event taht you attempt to delete by name and there are multiple matches, an exception raises | 21:17 |
| datsun180b | seems anyone creating an ambiguous situation by naming two resources the same thing is attaching a hook and winch to their own petard | 21:17 |
| adrian_otto | kebray: true. | 21:17 |
| kebray | so, I'd like to see App and LP be consistent with the rest of openstack | 21:17 |
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| datsun180b | that is, if they intend to continue to refer to the resources strictly by name | 21:17 |
| Roshan | would it not be confusing to user to have 2 apps with same name? | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | Roshan, Murali: what was the reasoning behind enforcing unique LP names? | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | as long as referenced to the LP also support (name | id) usage, I suggest we allow non-unique names | 21:18 |
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| muralia | I don't like it. as a developer, Its good practice to not create two apps or LPs with the same name. as this would confuse me | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | in a case where the selection is ambiguous, raise an exception. | 21:18 |
| kebray | Roshan, my argument is it isn't for us to decide. There's nothing preventing a user from always uniquely naming their apps. | 21:18 |
| datsun180b | i'm with adrian, names are a convenience, ids are unique | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | there isa possible compromise too | 21:19 |
| Roshan | Do we expect users to reference apps mostly by names or Id's? I would think it would be by name | 21:19 |
| kebray | muralia, can you be specific about the use case? You can still practice the good practice of not naming two apps the same thing, even if we allow non-unique names. | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | the code could all allow non-unique names… and there could be a config option to disallow unique names which would add an additional creation constraint. | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | that way operators who prefer unique names could get them by activating that option. | 21:20 |
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| muralia | kebray: sure, but then i need to remember to do that. if i use the same planfile to spin up multiple instances of my app, i will end up with 2 instances with the same name | 21:20 |
| Roshan | Why would a user or operator want duplicate names? | 21:20 |
| datsun180b | and as soon as you say "app show foo" you'll get a "hey you've got two foos, asdfasf and fasdadff. Which did you mean?" | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | Roshan, see above regarding green/blue deploy | 21:20 |
| devkulkarni | kebray, muralia: if I understand correctly, for apps we are not enforcing unique names but only for LPs | 21:21 |
| Roshan | I didn't fully understand | 21:21 |
| Roshan | can you elaborate | 21:21 |
| muralia | i dont think the reason 'consistency with other openstack services' is a good reason here. | 21:21 |
| muralia | yes, i've implemented uniqness check for LP | 21:21 |
| muralia | but app's dont have that check yet | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok, if you have an app that has deplyoed, and you modify it, and choose to deploy a second copy of it, you don't want to rename it | 21:21 |
| Roshan | + 1 to muralia | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | you intentionally have two copies of the same app (different versions) running at once | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | until all connections are cut over to the new version | 21:22 |
| muralia | but in the real world, most devs wont deploy with the same name. | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | or in the case of canary deploy | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | same logic applis in that case. | 21:22 |
| kebray | muralia, I'd argue it's bad practice to use the same plan file to spin up different apps that you want named differently. The "name" is in the plan file. | 21:22 |
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| adrian_otto | name can be a parameter | 21:22 |
| gpilz | "name" doesn't have to be the same as the plan file | 21:22 |
| gpilz | beat me to it | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | it does not have to be hard coded in a plan | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | kebray: I disagree. you could use name plan file to create different apps | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | s/name/same/ | 21:23 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: +1 | 21:23 |
| kebray | ok.. fair enough on the reuse of the plan file. | 21:23 |
| gpilz | {"plan_uri": "../foo/…", "name": "other_name"} | 21:23 |
| kebray | So, name doesn't have to be in the file.. my argument for consistency still stands, or operator choice as adrian_otto suggested. | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | kebray: consistency between apps and LPs or consistency with other openstack services? | 21:24 |
| kebray | devkulkarni both | 21:24 |
| adrian_otto | my vote would be to allow non-unique by default, and add an option to restrict names to unique. | 21:24 |
| kebray | +1 | 21:24 |
| Roshan | so is the proposal that an operator (say Rackspace) choose to enforce uniqueness? | 21:24 |
| kebray | Roshan yes | 21:25 |
| Roshan | cool | 21:25 |
| adrian_otto | you could even get fancy with taht | 21:25 |
| muralia | hmm, why add a flag for something as simple as this. we as designers should just decide. wasn't there a push in openstack to reduce the number of config options. | 21:26 |
| devkulkarni | I would like to hear why Roshan and Muralia had unique LP name requirement initially. it was driven by something.. | 21:26 |
| adrian_otto | and base the restriction on role, etc. So maybe admin users can do it… anyway… not to complicate matters too much. This leaves room for policy to be formed around that later. | 21:26 |
| adrian_otto | because the code will accommodate both styles of use. | 21:26 |
| devkulkarni | yeah, agree that such a config flag is unncessary | 21:26 |
| kebray | Roshan, keep in mind that the rest of Rackspace openstack services don't enforce name uniqueness. You can have duplicate database names, duplicate image names, duplicate heat stack names, etc. | 21:26 |
| muralia | dev: the main reason we added uniqueness in LPs was to allow easy sharing of LPs between users. | 21:26 |
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| Roshan | also, a LP can be referenced by name | 21:27 |
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| muralia | kebray, thats probably because we dont use DBs using the name. we have a unique url. | 21:27 |
| Roshan | if name is not unique, how do you decide which LP is referenced | 21:27 |
| adrian_otto | sharing of glance images is a new feature in RAX cloud. It shares by id. | 21:27 |
| muralia | where as in solum, we are allowing users to use LPs with either the name or uuid | 21:27 |
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| muralia | here's a scenario. | 21:28 |
| kebray | muralia, not true.. Cloud Databases (Trove) references databases by non-unique name or ID. | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | but the purpose of the uuid is to be universally unique | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | in the database these resources also bear an incremented id that we don't expose anywhere | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | is this not the purpose of uuids | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | that is, if the name isn't sufficient we still have an absolute fallback | 21:28 |
| kebray | Roshan, you seach by name, if only one match, it's a match. If more than one match, you error. In the case of duplicate named LPs, the user would have to use ID to tell the Solum control plane which one they meant. | 21:29 |
| muralia | if user1 and user2 , both belonging to the same tenant create LPs. user1 creates a LP names python and uses the LP name in a planfile. user2 comes along and creates python2. now user1 needs to go back and change his planfile to use uuids and not name as the name is not unique | 21:29 |
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| adrian_otto | fwiw, Magnum just implemented name-or-id actions. | 21:29 |
| adrian_otto | and it works exactly as kebray described. | 21:30 |
| Roshan | kebray: use of Id is not very user friendly, UUID's are hard to remember. | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | good example muralia | 21:30 |
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| Roshan | We should not force users to use UUID's | 21:30 |
| datsun180b | and we don't | 21:30 |
| Roshan | they should be able to work with names | 21:30 |
| gpilz | < can't remember names any better than UUIDs; just cuts & pastes everything | 21:30 |
| datsun180b | gpilz++ | 21:31 |
| kebray | muralia, you are talking about sub-users sharing a single domain. I don't think we need to be concerned much about that. It'll be very clear on a given account when you list LPs that you have two with the same name, and the error of trying to reference by name will be clear. | 21:31 |
| kebray | Roshan, we aren't forcing users to use UUIDs... we are giving them a choice to name things uniquely, or not.. and where they don't, they get extended functionaity by having the option to use UUIDs. | 21:31 |
| muralia | yes exactly, so if im the first to create and use a LP, im now affected by someone else in another team creating an LP with the same name | 21:31 |
| kebray | gpilz++ | 21:32 |
| adrian_otto | muralia: good use case. I agree that's suboptimal user experience. I also agree with kebray that such conflicts will be infrequent. One way to balance this is with clear documentation to only use id's in your plan file if you want deterministic behavior, and that if you use names, they may conflict, citing your example as a reason not to do that. | 21:32 |
| devkulkarni | good point muralia | 21:32 |
| kebray | muralia, differnt teams shoulsn't share the same tenant. Now that's "bad" practice. | 21:32 |
| devkulkarni | kebray: I think muralia meant different person within the same tenant | 21:33 |
| muralia | ok, different users within the same tenant | 21:33 |
| muralia | here's another scenario. | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | it may also be possible to raise warnings when duplicate names are created | 21:34 |
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| muralia | if we use a name in the planfile | 21:34 |
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| kebray | so, two differnt folks within the same team working on the same projects both create an LP with the same name. I think they should expect their files that reference LPs by name to break. And, we can always implement later the operator override flag to enforce unique names "if" we find it's a problem with customers/users. | 21:34 |
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| devkulkarni | -1 to operator override flag | 21:34 |
| muralia | i can make updated to lp's (security updates for example) and continue using the name and be assured that i'll always reference the latest LP | 21:34 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: why? | 21:34 |
| devkulkarni | seems too much for an issue that can be resolved by proper design choice | 21:35 |
| kebray | devkulkarni, not suggesting we implement that right now... but there's a path to easily extending to support use-case to enforce unique names later if it were to become a problem. | 21:35 |
| muralia | dev +1 | 21:35 |
| kebray | devkulkarni, muralia , the design choice adrian_otto and I are arguing for allows for flexibility. why is that not a good design choice? | 21:35 |
| adrian_otto | I might add another bite of food for thought | 21:36 |
| adrian_otto | we don't currently have the concept of tags | 21:36 |
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| adrian_otto | this is how systems like docker handle non-unique names | 21:36 |
| devkulkarni | kebray: that design choice just complicates things that an operator needs to keep track of | 21:36 |
| adrian_otto | at least for images | 21:36 |
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| adrian_otto | do say you have two images foo and foo | 21:37 |
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| adrian_otto | you can tag the first as foo:1 and the second as foo:2 | 21:37 |
| kebray | devkulkarni, again, I'm NOT advocating that we implement it now. And, we are talking about a single config option that isn't required for the operator. | 21:37 |
| adrian_otto | and now you essentially have an alias to the name that can be reassigned to another image | 21:37 |
| adrian_otto | we could do that with LPs | 21:37 |
| kebray | adrian_otto, overkill for the short term? | 21:38 |
| devkulkarni | so then kebray what will be default value of this flag? | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | :latest | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | you automatically add that tag if none specified | 21:38 |
| devkulkarni | we will be back to deciding whether it *should* allow non-unique names or *should not* allow themm | 21:38 |
| kebray | devkulkarni, default will be consistent behavior with openstack, which is allow non-unique names. | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | kebray: you could defer that, but it's another solution to this | 21:38 |
| kebray | adrian_otto agreed... but, it's a future feature "if" use cases bare out operator need to enforce name resolution via tags. | 21:39 |
| adrian_otto | HTTP also has a concept of this called entity tags, which can be soft or hard references | 21:39 |
| adrian_otto | kebray: we agree | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | roshan, muralia: thoughts? | 21:40 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: I want clarity on your position | 21:40 |
| adrian_otto | you want unique names by default? | 21:40 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: my position is that I agree we need to be consistent between apps and lps | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | I don't quite necessarily agree that we need to be consistent with other openstack services | 21:40 |
| muralia | devkulkarni +1 | 21:41 |
| kebray | devkulkarni, I'm advocating for a single decision now, which provides options for supporting both decisions later. .... vs. picking a single decision now where we would reverse the decision later. | 21:41 |
| lifeless | can I ask a question ? | 21:41 |
| muralia | sure | 21:41 |
| devkulkarni | I am okay if we introduce a config option | 21:41 |
| adrian_otto | lifeless: yes! | 21:41 |
| lifeless | It seems to me there is a security issue | 21:41 |
| lifeless | which is that if you enforce uniqueness cross-tenant you necessarily leak other-tenant data to users | 21:41 |
| datsun180b | I see | 21:41 |
| lifeless | because they can probe for names that they can't use | 21:41 |
| adrian_otto | lifeless: good point | 21:41 |
| devkulkarni | good point | 21:42 |
| kebray | lifeless, good point, but we are still discussing uniqueness within a single tenant | 21:42 |
| muralia | uniquiness is only within a tenants namespace | 21:42 |
| muralia | not across tenants | 21:42 |
| Roshan | lifeless: the uniqueness proposal is for within a given tenant, not across tenants | 21:42 |
| lifeless | ok cool | 21:42 |
| lifeless | sorry for my confusion :) | 21:42 |
| kebray | no worries :-) | 21:42 |
| adrian_otto | so when documenting the unique name feature, we should disclose that sideband leak as a risk of that use. | 21:42 |
| muralia | good point though. thanks lifeless | 21:42 |
| kebray | so, any opposition to having the default be we support non-unique app and lp names? | 21:43 |
| devkulkarni | kebray, adrian_otto: I am okay if we go the config option route | 21:43 |
| kebray | great.. thx devkulkarni . muralia ? | 21:43 |
| muralia | sure. that works. | 21:43 |
| lifeless | is that config option a deployer option or user option? If its a deployer option, won't that make the behaviour of clouds harder to predict? | 21:44 |
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| devkulkarni | ++ lifeless | 21:44 |
| adrian_otto | lifeless: I conceived that as a cloud operator option (global) | 21:44 |
| lifeless | One of the things I consistently hear about OpenStack is how hard it is to write things to it - to predict the way you should use its APIs. I worry, in dicussions like that, that we're not addressing that. | 21:44 |
| adrian_otto | but it could be set per tenant | 21:44 |
| lifeless | s/like that/like this/ | 21:44 |
| kebray | lifeless, I don't think anyone is going to come along and actually implement the flag... but, the option to implement is there if providers find that customer uses cases necessitate it for their needs. | 21:45 |
| lifeless | I think a reasonable principle here would be that if the option doesn't *impact* operators, it shouldn't be an operator option. | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | btw, I am sure roshan and muralia initially proposal was informed based on some user feedback | 21:45 |
| lifeless | So in this case I'd argue that if there is an option, it should be an option for tenants to use themselves, not operators. | 21:45 |
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| kebray | devkulkarni, evidence? | 21:45 |
| adrian_otto | operators should know enough to decide what defaults are sensible for their users | 21:46 |
| adrian_otto | the setting could be a default behaviour per tenant | 21:46 |
| kebray | lifeless, I like your suggestion. makes sense. | 21:46 |
| adrian_otto | and the tentant coudl be given the option to change the default? | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | kebray: I am just making a guess.. otherwise why would the proposal been made in the first place? | 21:46 |
| kebray | devkulkarni, because no proposal means nothing gets done :-) | 21:46 |
| lifeless | adrian_otto: that would meet the constraint I'm proposing, though at that point I think one could ask why we need a configurable default :) | 21:46 |
| muralia | devkulkarni, kebray: our design was based on making it easy for users to use and share LPs with both uuids and names at all times. | 21:47 |
| adrian_otto | fair enough | 21:47 |
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| devkulkarni | muralia: got it. thanks | 21:47 |
| lifeless | adrian_otto: e.g. if we said 'default is unique [because its more restrictive], and tenants may opt in to non-unique anytime they want' | 21:47 |
| kebray | muralia, I've seen little fleshed out with regard to LP sharing. there is, however, good precident with image sharing, and it's done by ID. There's also good evidence of other kinds of sharing, from files/containers/repos, and those are done by unique URI, not name. | 21:48 |
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| devkulkarni | lifeless: valid point | 21:48 |
| adrian_otto | and de facto operators can decide how to set that option each time they create a tenant | 21:48 |
| lifeless | adrian_otto: right, they can definitely do that if they felt the urge | 21:48 |
| lifeless | adrian_otto: and we'd save a oslo.config option on disk, documentation, and code. | 21:49 |
| adrian_otto | yep | 21:49 |
| kebray | lifeless, I'm not understanding the difference between starting with the default being restrictive vs. not restrictive? what's the advantage? | 21:50 |
| adrian_otto | ok, should I record a #agreed? | 21:50 |
| datsun180b | please do | 21:50 |
| muralia | kebray: if i create a planfile for an app that i deploy to production. i want to know it will work exactly the same everytime. i dont want it to break when someone creates a new LP with the same name. im also on with allowing non-unique names, but then only accepting uuids in planfiles. | 21:50 |
| kebray | other than it's harder to have a user with duplicate names switch to restrictive mode. | 21:50 |
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| adrian_otto | kebray: with that approach you are not out of policy when the setting is changed to be more permissive. | 21:51 |
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| kebray | so, I can be ok with that, assuming we drive consistency.. but, we we would acknowledge that we are diverging from default openstack behavior elsewhere, and I don't have any valid use case to back that up. | 21:52 |
| kebray | sorry, let me repharse. | 21:53 |
| kebray | repharse | 21:53 |
| lifeless | rephrase? | 21:53 |
| kebray | Valid use cases have been presented today.. .but, what I mean to say is they aren't vetted, in my opinion, with a large enough target user sample size. | 21:53 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed LP and App names shall be non-unique. In the event that an ambiguous name is used to act on an LP or App, an exception shall be raised, suggesting the use of the uuid to identify the resource to act on. We reserve the option to implement an option for per-tenant unique name restrictions to be evaluated at resource creation time. | 21:53 |
| adrian_otto | I can undo that if we are actually not in agreement. | 21:54 |
| kebray | +1 adrian_otto | 21:54 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni, muralia are you in agreement? | 21:54 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 21:54 |
| muralia | +1 | 21:55 |
| adrian_otto | tx | 21:55 |
| kebray | thanks for the help lifeless | 21:55 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm going to advance us to open discussion | 21:55 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 21:55 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, we can wrap up a few minutes early if we don't have more topics to cover | 21:56 |
| adrian_otto | Our next meeting will be on 2015-03-17 at 2100 UTC. Thanks everyone for attending. | 21:57 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 10 21:57:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-03-10-21.00.html | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-03-10-21.00.txt | 21:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-03-10-21.00.log.html | 21:57 |
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| lifeless | kebray: anytime | 21:58 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 10 22:01:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-03-10_2200_UTC Our Agenda | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:01 |
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| apmelton | o/ | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:01 |
| yuanying-alt | OTSUKA, Yuanying | 22:01 |
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| madhuri | madhuri | 22:01 |
| juggler | Perry | 22:02 |
| thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 22:02 |
| hongbin | Hongbin Lu | 22:02 |
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| adrian_otto | hi apmelton yuanying-alt madhuri juggler thomasem hongbin | 22:02 |
| sdake_ | hi | 22:02 |
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| juggler | hello adrian | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | hi sdake_ | 22:03 |
| thomasem | howdy | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we can begin. | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Proposal to add Magnum to the OpenStack git namespace | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/161080 Magnum Governance Review | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | this was discussed in today's TC meeting, and voting was deferred by two weeks. | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | no actionable feedback was provided for Magnum, as the issues among the TC members have little to do with us | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | there was one question raised, which I will address in a moment. | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Magnum Release #2 | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/058714.html Magnum Release Announcement | 22:05 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for all your work on this release | 22:06 |
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| adrian_otto | this was a big step forward for us with a lot of super valuable results | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements from team members? | 22:06 |
| thomasem | =] | 22:07 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items (From Midcycle) | 22:07 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) sdake: To think of a name for new stackforge heat-kubernetes repo. | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | sdake_: thoughts on this? | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | we will revisit it later | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | (makes sense once you see the next…) | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | 2) sdake: To schedule a meeting with Lars to discuss new repo, and what it means to keep-it-simple. | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | Status: COMPLETE. Scheduled for 2015-03-11. | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | sdake and I will meet tomorrow and work through the specifics | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | the intent is to remove this code from Magnum, and reference it as a library listed in requirements.txt | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | so we can talk about #1 tomorrow | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | any thgouhts from team members on either of these? | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | do you want to see notes published about this, or just get an update next week? | 22:10 |
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| juggler | either is fine here | 22:10 |
| thomasem | Is it in IRC? | 22:10 |
| juggler | notes published would be nice, i think | 22:10 |
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| hongbin | +1 for not published | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | I think it's a call. I can take notes and share them. | 22:11 |
| hongbin | s/not/note/ | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | as long as the participants have no objections | 22:11 |
| juggler | ah hongbin :) | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | I default to making all decisions openly | 22:11 |
| thomasem | sounds good to me | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | but I also want to respect the wishes of those who are not yet part of our team | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to update the team about the outcome of plans to move heat-kubernetes to Stackforge | 22:12 |
| madhuri | +1 for note published | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | so that will be on next week's agenda at a minimum | 22:12 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 22:12 |
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| adrian_otto | most of our reviews are in good shape | 22:13 |
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| adrian_otto | I wanted to say thanks to all of our contributors for being disciplined about adding bug numbers and blueprints to all commit messages | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | we have been very good about that, and our release notices are comprehensive now as a result. I appreciate it! | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | 1) Discuss how to implement Bay status | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | When creating a bay, we use Heat to deploy Nova instances. There is not currently an event feed from Heat that we can subscribe to. Polling Heat for status changes is not elegant. How would we like to address this? Current discussion to reference: | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/058619.html Expression of Bay Status | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/159546 When polling heat set bay status | 22:14 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so we have a decision point to discuss | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | about how best to express our bay status, and how to sync that up with the heat stack status | 22:15 |
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| adrian_otto | we got some input from Zane and Angus form the Heat team | 22:15 |
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| adrian_otto | yuanying-alt: also commented | 22:16 |
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| adrian_otto | as well as input from hongbin | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | so please take a moment to review the ML thread, and let's decide how to proceed | 22:16 |
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| adrian_otto | I am pursuaded by hongbin's remarks about a tight coupling causing a fragile system that is harder to debug. | 22:17 |
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| adrian_otto | in that case approach #3 (Don’t store any state in the Bay object, and simply query the heat stack for status as needed.) would be more resilient. | 22:18 |
| hongbin | option #3 looks quit expensive to me.. | 22:18 |
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| hongbin | I expect the bay status will be polled quit often | 22:19 |
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| apmelton | so, it does look like heat exposes notifications already | 22:19 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin: yes, but we would only be polling stacks that have not reached a completion status. | 22:19 |
| apmelton | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/SystemUsageData#orchestration.stack..7Bcreate.2Cupdate.2Cdelete.2Csuspend.2Cresume.7D..7Bstart.2Cerror.2Cend.7D: | 22:19 |
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| adrian_otto | apmelton: wow, that sounds like exactly what we would want for #1 | 22:21 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: I think we need to block pod/service/rc creation until bay is completed | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | but we would need access to the RPC events from Heat | 22:21 |
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| apmelton | hongbin: you mentioned a concern about troubleshooting with option 1 | 22:22 |
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| adrian_otto | the remarks from Angus and Zane assume that status changes could be made to users of heat as well | 22:22 |
| hongbin | apmelton: yes | 22:22 |
| sdake_ | hey | 22:22 |
| sdake_ | sorry had emergency phone call | 22:22 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake_: wb | 22:22 |
| apmelton | hongbin: is your concern that we may end up missing a notification | 22:23 |
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| apmelton | and in that case we may get out of sync with heat? | 22:23 |
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| hongbin | apmelton: yes, that is part of the concern | 22:23 |
| sdake_ | everything is ok - mom freaked out over snake in hosue :) thanks for the posittive thoughts folks :) | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: upon inital setup if the network prohibits the status change notifications, that could be very easy to miss | 22:23 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake_: got to love AZ! | 22:23 |
| juggler | lol | 22:24 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: which network are we talking about here? | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | between the Magnum server and the Heat server | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | if Heat were to post back status to us in the form of webhooks for example | 22:24 |
| sdake_ | snakes on a plane ;-) | 22:25 |
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| sdake_ | during heat dev long ago we talked about web hooks | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | another option would be that we open a socket to heat and keep it open (long poll style) | 22:25 |
| apmelton | could we take a multi-part approach to this? one where we're waiting on a notification or webhook, and eventually timeout and ask heat for the status directly? | 22:25 |
| sdake_ | but the way we ended up with was to use the notifications api | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | and have it emit staus over that until a complete state is reached | 22:25 |
| sdake_ | that runs over RPC | 22:25 |
| sdake_ | notifications are totally event driven and prvoide enough info for us | 22:26 |
| sdake_ | we could just use that | 22:26 |
| sdake_ | I think that is the fastest path to meeting the requirements of the thread | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: you mean the usage notifications? | 22:26 |
| sdake_ | each time a resource is created/delted a notification si created | 22:26 |
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| sdake_ | any state change in any resource creates an event in the notification system | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/SystemUsageData#orchestration.stack..7Bcreate.2Cupdate.2Cdelete.2Csuspend.2Cresume.7D..7Bstart.2Cerror.2Cend.7D: Heat Usage RPC Messages | 22:27 |
| suro_ | when a heat state is stuck - e.g. waiting, it might not be emitted - but it should be reflected on bay status | 22:27 |
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| sdake_ | suro_ I Thin kthe model is that we trust heata twil ldo the right thing | 22:28 |
| sdake_ | and wont g et "stuck" :) | 22:28 |
| sdake_ | if it does, we are probably in bad shape anyway | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | suro_: agreed that is ideal, but couldn't we also assume that state? | 22:28 |
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| sdake_ | and consider the bay failed | 22:28 |
| suro_ | I was debugging yesterday when it was stuck in create_in_progress for cloud formation wait | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | we could have a bay creation timeout | 22:28 |
| suro_ | and the deault timeout is 6000 there | 22:29 |
| apmelton | suro_: that should eventually timeout and put it in error | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | if we do not reach a completion or error state by then, we fail the bay and delete it | 22:29 |
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| adrian_otto | fail the bay and delete the heat stack I mean | 22:29 |
| * juggler agrees with suro_ | 22:29 | |
| adrian_otto | 6000 seconds (almost 2 hours)? | 22:30 |
| hongbin | The difference between option #2 and option #3 is whether to cache the stack status in our DB. Is that correct? | 22:30 |
| juggler | yeah, is 6000 reasonable? | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | seems really high | 22:30 |
| juggler | what's reasonable...10 minutes? 30 minutes? | 22:30 |
| juggler | more? | 22:30 |
| thomasem | Depends on the stack, unfortunately. | 22:30 |
| thomasem | is my thinking | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | I suppose it does. | 22:31 |
| suro_ | magnum/templates/heat-kubernetes/kubenode.yaml | 22:31 |
| juggler | maybe conditional it based on the stack's performance? | 22:31 |
| juggler | ? | 22:31 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so is anyone opposed to sdake_'s suggestion of using the usage RPC messages? | 22:32 |
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| juggler | e.g. if stack A, A' timeout is reasonable, etc.. | 22:32 |
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| madhuri | Agree to juggler comment. Its more upon stack performance | 22:32 |
| thomasem | juggler: are you suggesting we let the user supply a timeout? | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | that sounds like a sensible approach that gives us near-realtime status consistency | 22:32 |
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| thomasem | optionally | 22:32 |
| thomasem | if they understand how long a bay may take to spawn | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | some VM's take 30 + minutes to launch | 22:33 |
| thomasem | yes :( | 22:33 |
| thomasem | Yes they do | 22:33 |
| juggler | thomasem not necessarily. a default could be set. a user-supplied option is a later possibility if we feel it feasible and worth the resources perhaps | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | so having an arbitrary timeout is probably a bad idea | 22:33 |
| apmelton | +1 on using RPC messages | 22:33 |
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| thomasem | adrian_otto: why's that? | 22:33 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: could really mess with stats | 22:34 |
| apmelton | thomasem: ^^ | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | which stats? | 22:34 |
| thomasem | our stats? | 22:34 |
| apmelton | hypothetical stats* | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | you totally lost me, sorry. | 22:34 |
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| apmelton | so when a stack times out, it errors it | 22:35 |
| apmelton | rather, when that wait condition times out, it errors the stack | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | heat stack creation timeout is already a parameter in Heat | 22:36 |
| apmelton | if you're monitoring heat failures, and someone is constantly setting arbitrarily low timeouts, that could set of alarms | 22:36 |
| thomasem | that's true | 22:36 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: yea, I suppose thats true | 22:36 |
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| adrian_otto | so we could have a feature to set that on stack create | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I think Tom C has enough guidance to proceed now | 22:37 |
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| thomasem | Yeah, sorry, +1 for RPC | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | any other work items, such as Blueprints or Bug/Task tickets to discuss as a team? | 22:38 |
| thomasem | got side-tracked there | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | ok, should I open a feature request for stack timeout as a heat parameter? | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | we can allow for a default value, and a per-create override of that value | 22:39 |
| apmelton | I suppose I'm fine with that | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | and operators/users can tweak that to suit any preferences | 22:39 |
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| suro_ | +1 | 22:39 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to open a bug ticket for a new feature to set heat stack creation timeout on bay create, with Magnum's default value in our config and a per-request override for Magnum users to use upon Bay creation. | 22:40 |
| thomasem | I think to apmelton's point, it would be good to have some flexibility in that for operators so as to avoid alarming for crazy low timeouts supplied by users? That does sound like a real problem. | 22:40 |
| thomasem | s/?/./ | 22:40 |
| apmelton | thomasem: I think the operator could just add a constraint to their template | 22:41 |
| juggler | offhand, did anyone see my early peer suggestions / questions for quickstart.rst posted to #..-container posted earlier? or is there a better forum / suggestion box for that.. | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | I suppose the default could also have a lower and upper limit for acceptable override values? | 22:41 |
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| thomasem | apmelton: yeah, sure, that seems like a good solution. Like if less than our default, don't alert? | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | juggler: you could use the ML for that | 22:42 |
| apmelton | thomasem: heat just wouldn't accept the stack-create | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | or you are welcome to raise that in Open Discussion which I am about to begin here in a sec. | 22:42 |
| sdake__ | lets discuss the defautl on the ml | 22:42 |
| madhuri | +1 to have range for timeout value | 22:42 |
| sdake__ | maybe operators will have input | 22:42 |
| juggler | great, thanks. | 22:43 |
| thomasem | kk | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | sdake__: agreed | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | I will reply to the current ML thread with a summary of our intent | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | and a link to the bug ticket mentioned above in the AI. | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open DIscussion | 22:44 |
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| adrian_otto | juggler: please ask your question about the dev-quickstart.rst | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | did you have suggested improvements for that? | 22:44 |
| juggler | a few | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | I can help you to submit a patch against it | 22:45 |
| juggler | Line 13 is incorrect. Link is now: | 22:45 |
| juggler | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | and we can discuss line-by-line in gerrit? | 22:45 |
| juggler | sure | 22:45 |
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| adrian_otto | that way as soon as agreement is reached we will merge that as code, and get the document updated | 22:46 |
| juggler | offhand, is there any desire to test on CentOS? or should I just abandon that and test off Fedora 21 | 22:46 |
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| adrian_otto | good question. We have not discussed that yet. | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | I would think that we'd want to merge our devstack module code | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | and anything that devstack works on, we could also work on | 22:47 |
| juggler | ah ok | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | are you tripping on os-specific issues? | 22:48 |
| juggler | not necessarily yet. but if there were others with heartache in CentOS, I don't necessarily want to go that route either ;) | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | most openstack setups that I have seen are run on Ubuntu | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | our default gate tests use ubuntu, but there are also gates for fedora that we could use | 22:50 |
| juggler | the earlier part of the quickstart suggests various platforms, but lines 102&103 recommends 2 test platforms. so it's ambiguous what works and what's needed for test | 22:50 |
| juggler | at least my perspective | 22:50 |
| suro_ | I have bringing this up on a DevStack on VM (RHEL 7) - I was following the dev-quickstart.rst => there were some OS-independent issues I faced, which were helped out by hongbin - some of them under review - template specific definition missing - I can capture them if it helps | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's get that recorded | 22:51 |
| sdake__ | suro_ gold plate teh quickstart to your heart's content ;-) | 22:51 |
| sdake__ | we want that document perfect plus one | 22:51 |
| juggler | just some of my observations. i'll probably lean towards Fedora 21, but it's something to consider perhaps? | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | I think these are great areas for first contributions | 22:52 |
| juggler | it being possible other OSes, as feasible with our resources | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | so let's find those items that can be improved, and start submitting patches against them | 22:52 |
| suro_ | sdake__: sure! I feel quickstart is "Welcome" banner, it should be as smooth as possible | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | I'm happy to help get you started | 22:52 |
| sdake__ | suro_ t otally agree | 22:52 |
| juggler | agree | 22:53 |
| mfalatic | Hoping to make changes to it myself as I install magnum. | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | thanks suro_ and juggler for your help on this. We really value getting a fresh perspective on the docs. There are a lot of people starting to look at Magnum, so having that stuff crisp and tight is really important to us. | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | and I want to be sure you guys are getting credit for your contributions | 22:54 |
| suro_ | adrian_otto: thanks for the welcome, looking forward to contributing ... | 22:55 |
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| adrian_otto | I will be heading out in a moment for today, but will be around tomorrow to lend a hand with getting started stuff | 22:56 |
| juggler | thanks adrian.. always looking to help where I can :) | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'm going to wrap us up with some housekeeping. Any parting thoughts before we adjourn? | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | one more thing | 22:57 |
| juggler | good here | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | I will announce a Doodle poll to the ML for a scheduler implementation IRC meeting to occur some time this coming week | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | we will be discussing the use of our swarm backend for initial implementation in accordance with our design summit talk | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | so keep an eye out for that, and vote for times you can attend if you are interested in the topic | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | most likely a 1600-1900 UTC time | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | Our next meeting is 2015-03-17 at 1600 UTC. I look forward to seeing you all then! | 22:59 |
| apmelton | sounds good | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 10 22:59:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-03-10-22.01.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-03-10-22.01.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-03-10-22.01.log.html | 22:59 |
| thomasem | Cheers! | 23:00 |
| juggler | later all! | 23:00 |
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