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| shivharis | hi ml2'ers | 16:01 |
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| moshele | hi | 16:01 |
| banix | Hi | 16:02 |
| rkukura | hi everyone | 16:02 |
| manishg | hi | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | looks like we’ve got quorum, so lets start | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | hopefully manishg is returning | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 4 16:03:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: he is here | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #topic Agenda | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | Anything we need to add to the agenda? | 16:04 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | One announcement: Kilo Feature Freeze is tomorrow (March 5th) | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | I missed this week’s neutron IRC meeting. This is the deadline to submit patches against BPs, right? | 16:05 |
| shivharis | clarification, the code should be in for review by this date | 16:05 |
| rkukura | Bug fix code can be submitted after this deadline, right? | 16:06 |
| sadasu | correct | 16:06 |
| shivharis | if the ci is not functional it is still a good idea to push the patchset | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis, rkukura: No, I think this is FPF date - | 16:06 |
| amotoki | bug fixes are not features :-( | 16:06 |
| amotoki | bug fixes are not features :-) | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki:-) | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Right, so FPF is tomorrow, code freeze is when? | 16:07 |
| shivharis | mar 19 | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Usually a week or two later | 16:07 |
| rkukura | OK. I think the ML2 features have all made the FPF - am I missing anything? | 16:07 |
| amotoki | rkukura: I think you mean feature freeze. | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | amotoki: right - freeze for all code to merge except for bugs blocking release, right? | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | Any other announcements? | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: no freeze for feature proposal - I think | 16:09 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Isn’t FPF tomorrow? | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes - i meant the freeze is for feature proposal not code | 16:10 |
| rkukura | My understanding is FPF is the deadline to submit patch for new features, and FF is the deadline for them to be merged. Is that correct? | 16:11 |
| amotoki | rkukura: right | 16:11 |
| rkukura | Do we know whethere we will see initial patches for the pecan and plugin API BPs by tomorrow? | 16:12 |
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| amotoki | I have no information. | 16:13 |
| rkukura | OK, lets move on | 16:13 |
| rkukura | #topic ML2 Drivers decomposition discussion | 16:13 |
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| sadasu | Need reveiwers for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155436/ pls | 16:14 |
| shivharis | other than arista, what other drivers are in? | 16:14 |
| rkukura | #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/doc/source/devref/contribute.rst#how-to | 16:14 |
| sadasu | I have marked it in WIP since the corresponding vendor patch is still not in stackforge | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: ODL | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | sadasu: it has to pass Cisco CI - that is the requirement | 16:16 |
| sadasu | the patches are complete in all other respects…do you want me to lift the WIP tag? | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: if the Cisco CI is not voting on it, you will not get any useful reviews :-) | 16:17 |
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| shivharis | reviewers are going to ask for CI immediately, they look at jenkins followed by CI vote | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | sadasu: If you need help in getting Cisco CI to vote on this patch, ping me, I can help | 16:18 |
| amotoki | one question on vendor decomposition. Before and after the decomposition we need different CI setup. Is it better to stop the current CI and setup new CI for the decomposition? | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: If you remove WIP, your patch will start to get attention - so, it is the right thing to do - if you believe it is ready | 16:19 |
| sadasu | Sukhdev: thanks! I am in the process of integrating my UCS M specific testbed to the rest of Cisco CI | 16:19 |
| sadasu | other than that I am all set | 16:19 |
| amotoki | ... my question is not for sadasu's case. it is a new mech driver. | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: It is a chicken-n-egg problem - | 16:19 |
| shivharis | amotoki: yes, that is what i did | 16:19 |
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| sadasu | amotoki: I believe that is correct and that is why there is some down-time while moving the test - bed over | 16:20 |
| shivharis | new mech driver will not have a prior CI (?) | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: For CI to pass during the decomposition, you have to manually install the stackforge repo and afterwards you can pull it from pypi | 16:20 |
| crimmson_ | trying to follow: what WIP and CI means plz | 16:21 |
| shivharis | WIP, work in progress CI, continuous integration | 16:21 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: thanks for the tips. It sounds reasonable appraoch | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: without this tip, you will not get core team's approval :-) | 16:22 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: +1 | 16:22 |
| shivharis | actually, to be precise, uninstall then install | 16:23 |
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| sadasu | Sukhdev: I would rather get attention now rather than the last day | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: I will review your patch - you have to mock most of your stackforge code - will let you know if I see anything funny | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: hence, I suggested to remove the WIP - | 16:24 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: please take a look at my patch-set as well, thanks | 16:25 |
| sadasu | Sukhdev: thanks | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: link? | 16:25 |
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| shivharis | i have sent u just now | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: cool | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | any other decomposition questions/issues/comments? | 16:26 |
| moshele | who should update the https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/doc/source/devref/contribute.rst#how-to because the networking-mlnx is out of tree already | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | moshele: I would suggest you submit the patch to update it | 16:26 |
| moshele | ok | 16:26 |
| rkukura | I was gooing to suggest we all submit patches to https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/doc/source/devref/contribute.rst#decomposition-progress-chart as we make progress. | 16:27 |
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| amotoki | it is just a snapshot of sometime and more input is really welcome. | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct - that is the right way to do - but, keep armax in the loop - he is in charge of this | 16:27 |
| rkukura | anything else on decomposition? | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | in other words make sure he approves the patch | 16:28 |
| rkukura | #topic ML2 Sync and error handling (Task Flow) | 16:28 |
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| rkukura | manishg: nice to have you here to discuss this | 16:28 |
| manishg | have been sick! much better now :) | 16:29 |
| manishg | just wondering if anyone has looked at the patch? | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: I am guilty as charged :-) | 16:29 |
| rkukura | manishg: Its been on my list to review in detail, but have not had a chance yet | 16:30 |
| rkukura | I will try today | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: this time I left a comment :-) | 16:30 |
| manishg | As was suggested by HenryG/ Sukhdev , I added lot of documentation and updated the code. | 16:30 |
| manishg | Hoping that the intention/ design is clear. but if it's not let me know. | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | manishg: Can you briefly summarize what futher work would be required beyond the current patch? | 16:31 |
| manishg | rkukura: the current patch gives an idea of the interface with the drivers (which is backward compatible). next steps would be make it modify the db to maintain state | 16:31 |
| manishg | + making it async | 16:32 |
| manishg | right now, the functionality is more or less the same (with refactor - getting ready for next steps) | 16:32 |
| rkukura | So for example, a create would then return with the resource in a “creating” state, which would change to “ready” when the async tasks complete? | 16:32 |
| manishg | yep | 16:32 |
| manishg | we can add a state to the resource and perhaps a separate table to track the progress of various drivers which are | 16:33 |
| manishg | registered. | 16:33 |
| rkukura | Do you have thoughts on how the resources should behave in these intermediate states? Are new requests blocked/queued or rejected or run in parallel? | 16:33 |
| manishg | the other table with drivers only have entries while the state is "creating" , e.g. | 16:34 |
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| manishg | when all of the drivers are done creating, the overall state of the resource can be ACTIVE and the driver table could have entries removed for that resource | 16:34 |
| manishg | sounds right? | 16:34 |
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| manishg | while resource is in intermediate state | 16:35 |
| manishg | only certain operations are permitted. | 16:35 |
| rkukura | manishg: I think so, although it might be worth keeping track of which drivers are up-to-date rather than which drivers are not | 16:35 |
| manishg | and when querying for resources only ACTIVE ones are returned | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: During Paris summit - we discussed as to how long to keep the resource in intermediate state, say if one of the MD is misbehaving/ | 16:35 |
| rkukura | not sure hiding the resource makes sense | 16:36 |
| rkukura | would seem a create followed by a get should always work | 16:36 |
| manishg | rkukura: I was thinking we maintain all driver states for the resources so that you know the complete state... until the transition happens to ACTIVE | 16:36 |
| rkukura | manishg: I agree the plugin should keep track of the driver states and refect these in the overall state | 16:37 |
| manishg | rkukura: the hiding part is only default behaviour and one can request "all" resources. The reason for this | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: At what stage will we declare an operation failed? Or keep in intermediate state forever? | 16:37 |
| manishg | is to maintain compatibility with current behaviour | 16:37 |
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| amotoki | is there any reason we cannot return resources with non-ACTIVE status? | 16:37 |
| amotoki | I think we can return error resposen for operations on resource in creaeting status. | 16:38 |
| rkukura | manishg: I’d think a lot of scripts and tools expect the resource to exist right after a create that didn’t fail | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: non-ACTIVE is equavelent to "creating" | 16:38 |
| manishg | rkukura, amotoki: today, we create and that succeeds only when resource is ACTIVE. so create + get = resource in ACTIVE state. and callers use it that way | 16:38 |
| amotoki | *response | 16:38 |
| manishg | we can have both options. but not sure what we want the default to be | 16:38 |
| manishg | I'd imagine default to return only ACTIVE. | 16:39 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: non-ACTIVE is same as 'Creating" when creating a resource. | 16:39 |
| shivharis | when u do a create you get a net uuid, but when u do a 'normal' get you don't see it? | 16:39 |
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| rkukura | Is it reasonable to consider this driver state as trailing the definitive DB state, hopefully eventually becoming consistnent? | 16:39 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: about how long.... that depends on the drivers. And when they give up... | 16:39 |
| manishg | amotoki: non-ACTIVE = "creating" or "error" state (if drivers are able to declare it such due to certain condition) | 16:40 |
| rkukura | And if so, why not allow API operations while in these intermediate states? | 16:40 |
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| rkukura | So the DB operations occur in sequence, building up a queue of tasks that need to complete until all thre drivers are in sync | 16:40 |
| manishg | rkukura: in intermediate states certain operations would make sense. for example in "creating" state one can delete | 16:41 |
| amotoki | pending state (*-ing) in my mind. non-ACTIVE is misleading.... | 16:41 |
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| rkukura | And then when nova for instance needs to wait for a port to be ready to plug, it would make sure there is no backlog of driver activity at that point | 16:41 |
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| manishg | rkukura: it will be simpler to not queue up lots of operations because then we run the risk of either uselessly doing operations (e.g. multiple updates) or will need to prune the queue (either ways it will be more complex) | 16:42 |
| rkukura | manishg: I agree it could get complicated. But we do need to keep it usable. | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: you bring up a good point | 16:43 |
| manishg | rkukura: isn't nova doing the same? | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | I think nova uses intemediate states as well - so, we may be OK | 16:44 |
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| Sukhdev | It may be worthwhile to look into this | 16:44 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: I think rkukura's question is not about the states but operations that are permitted in those states. | 16:44 |
| rkukura | We’ve got a few more agenda items and limited time. I suggest we continue this discussion of the next steps next week, hopefully after we’ve all reviewed manishg’s current patch in detail. | 16:44 |
| manishg | so he doesn't want the caller to bother about the state. | 16:44 |
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| manishg | rkukura: sure. but I think the more people look at the patch and comment I can proceed to next step of the states. | 16:45 |
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| manishg | The patch's been out for two weeks or so. The sooner I get feedback, the faster we can march. | 16:45 |
| rkukura | manishg: exactly - lets review this first phase, and discuss the next phase | 16:45 |
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| manishg | cool. thanks. | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | manishg rkukura ; I have a one question - before you move to next topic | 16:46 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: go ahead | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | Say if the resource is in Active state (all MD's are in sync) - can one MD then move the state of the resource into "..ing" state? | 16:46 |
| manishg | what event would cause that? | 16:47 |
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| Sukhdev | I ask this in the context of back-end of the driver resets and it needs to bring everyting in sync - and do not want to allow additional operations until all in sync | 16:47 |
| rkukura | Is this like if something breaks and the driver detect it? | 16:47 |
| manishg | if it's ACTIVE, delete API could cause it to go to DELETing but after ACTIVE, going back to CREATing would be weird. | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: I would want to move from ACTIVE - to creating | 16:48 |
| rkukura | Maybe these should be special intermediate states, not CREATING or DELETING. | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: if my back-end resets and need to rebuild the state - do not want any operations (e.g. Update) performed on it while I am rebuilding my state | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: This is one of the use cases I was thinking when I was reviewing your patvch | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | patch | 16:50 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: I'm not really sure if we want to feed in events from devices back in the db... but I'll think about it. we can discuss more next time. | 16:50 |
| manishg | if we do, there will be lots of such cases. what if certain segment is down (data-path)... | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: yes, lets think about it - as I see this use case all the times - when HW resets :-) | 16:51 |
| manishg | do we want to update the db saying the segment is down and prevent selection of that network for new VMs? | 16:51 |
| rkukura | I’d also like to avoid complicating the client view - they shouldn’t need to worry about whether an operation can be accepted or they have to wait before trying | 16:51 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: it you are going to put the network in "creating" you will also have to do the same to the respective ports | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: I am more or less thinking about ports (was not thinking about networks) | 16:52 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: why not? | 16:52 |
| manishg | rkukura: I think building an async API while client isn't looking at the states will surely introduce complications. But that is another topic we need to discuss more I think. | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | In general if I have 10K VMs running on 4 networks - the ports become critical | 16:52 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: in the interest of getting something done, i suggest simplifying the first cut | 16:53 |
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| shivharis | we can add HA/audit like functionality later | 16:54 |
| manishg | shivharis: +1 (Sukhdev: what do we do now?_ | 16:54 |
| rkukura | The definitive state is the DB. It seems to me we should allow all API operations to proceed moving the DB from one state to the next, and come up with a solution where the backend state eventually converges, and there is visibility when needed of whether it has or hasn’t converged. | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | I do not know how much scale are you testing your MDs, but, I am pushing beyond 20K VMs - then these kings of issue pop up, especially, if you reset HW in the middle (or switchover) | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | I am hoping this new mechanism can help all MDs | 16:54 |
| manishg | rkukura: agree. will discuss more. | 16:55 |
| rkukura | OK, lets move on, and continue this very useful discussion next week | 16:55 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: what do you now? | 16:55 |
| rkukura | #topic portsecurity patches | 16:55 |
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| manishg | rkukura: sure. | 16:55 |
| rkukura | #link portsecurity patches | 16:55 |
| yamahata | hi | 16:55 |
| rkukura | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126552/ | 16:55 |
| rkukura | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160051/ | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: we have a very elaborate Sync mechanism - I was hoping to remove that and use taskflow - :-) | 16:56 |
| rkukura | yamahata: go ahead... | 16:56 |
| yamahata | 126552 is framework for functional tests of iptables firewall generic. | 16:56 |
| yamahata | So I'd like to merge it first so that we can add tests independently. | 16:56 |
| yamahata | the second one is 160051. it has db issue. | 16:56 |
| yamahata | yalie1: can you explain it? | 16:57 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: I'll look at your driver. you update the db state? Let's chat offline since folks are discussing other topic now. | 16:57 |
| yalie1 | y, 160051 is the major patch to implement the extension driver of port-sec | 16:57 |
| yalie1 | it almost done, but miss the functional test cases. | 16:58 |
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| shwetaap | its the other way around 126552 is the port sec patch and the 160051 is the functional test patch. | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: no, I do not - but, considered it…..especially, when running 3 or 4 Neutron servers all pushing 20K+ VMs and forcing the switchovers in HW | 16:59 |
| rkukura | we are down to a minute - anything blocking progress? | 16:59 |
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| shwetaap | hopefully more reviews on the portsecurity patches. | 17:00 |
| rkukura | Lets review those patches! | 17:00 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Any bugs we need to look at this week? | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | shwetaap: I will review later today | 17:00 |
| shivharis | FYI: I am pushing this bug fix for K3, https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1328991 | 17:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1328991 in neutron "External network should not have provider:network_type as vxlan" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Aman Kumar (amank) | 17:00 |
| shivharis | i will ping the owner, it is close to getting a fix and useful to have | 17:01 |
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| rkukura | I’m making forward progress on the DVR schema/logic cleanup - hopefully a patch soon | 17:01 |
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| rkukura | We are out of time - anything else urgent? | 17:01 |
| shivharis | k3 in mar 19 we need all high prio fixed | 17:01 |
| rkukura | shivharis: right | 17:02 |
| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 17:02 |
| manishg | thanks. bye. | 17:02 |
| sadasu | thanks!! | 17:02 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 4 17:02:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| banix_ | bye | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-03-04-16.03.html | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-03-04-16.03.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-03-04-16.03.log.html | 17:02 |
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| Guest25459 | Is this meeting still going on ? | 17:42 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 4 18:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:00 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:00 |
| edmondk | o/ | 18:00 |
| danritchie | o/ | 18:00 |
| georgelorch | o/ | 18:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
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| sushilkm | hello @all | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Agenda at: | 18:01 |
| X019_ | o/ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
| schang | o/ | 18:01 |
| mattvd | o/ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Trove pulse update (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:01 | |
| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:02 |
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| sgotliv | o/ | 18:02 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | Looks like we had fewer reviews done this week. | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | We also had fewer uploaded patchsets. | 18:02 |
| edmondk | My suspicion is we have less overall new reviews this week and the reviews that are up are large blueprints and large changes | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | Thanks to all the folks who did reviews! | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | good point, edmondk | 18:03 |
| esmute | 0/ | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | I think at this point, we really need to start looking through the large reviews. | 18:04 |
| edmondk | The blue prints just take a considerable longer time to review | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | Given how close we are to feature proposal freeze and feature freeze. | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | So we need to keep reviewing, and keep the momentum up! | 18:04 |
| annashen | o/ | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | Another point is that we've cleaned up our total review count pretty nicely. | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | total open review count* | 18:05 |
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| edmondk | what was it last week | 18:06 |
| edmondk | or the week before | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | We're down to 37 from 58 last week. | 18:06 |
| edmondk | nice | 18:06 |
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| sushilkm | thats really a nice update | 18:06 |
| vkmc | that's cool :) | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, more work to be done with reviews — let's keep the momentum going! | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | Any other questions / clarifications? | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | . | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | #topic Feature proposal freeze at the end of this week. | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | So we have a few api-specs that aren't merged yet. | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | Some are waiting on reviews, and others on updates from the submitter. | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | This week is Feature Proposal Freeze across OpenStack — so after this week, you'd need an exception to add a BP for the Kilo release. | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | The list of open specs is at: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/trove-specs,n,z | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | I'd encourage everyone to make reviewing those a top priority. | 18:09 |
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| dougshelley66 | Are all these specs (well, the code for the specs) expected to make it into Kilo? | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | dougshelley66: Yes, all of those were being targeted for kilo. I'm not sure if all of them are still on track to make it into kilo. I've seen reviews for some of them but not others. | 18:12 |
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| vgnbkr | I've just pushed a change to the replication spec to reflect Iccha's comment (I removed 2 lines). If everyone could +1 again who did so before, that would be great. | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | dougshelley66: But the api-spec being reviewed and merged is a requisite for the code to be merged in kilo. | 18:13 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, understood, thanks | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | I'm going to spend some time looking at the reviews for the specs today as well. | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | Any questions regarding this? | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | . | 18:15 |
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| SlickNik | #topic SSH keys injection on Trove instance creation | 18:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SSH keys injection on Trove instance creation (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:16 | |
| vkmc | that's mine | 18:16 |
| vkmc | so, I dunno if this is the best moment to discuss about it | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: I don't see why not. | 18:16 |
| vkmc | but I wanted to ask if this feature has been discussed before and if you all think we could add it | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: if I recall correctly this did come up once before — folks were of the opinion that since you actually baked the guest image you have the option of injecting the key directly in the image. | 18:18 |
| edmondk | I would personally love the feature for development | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: But I can see the argument that having a key injected at boot time could certain dynamic scenarios. | 18:18 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, yeah, that is true... but baking the key directly in the image forces you to stick with the same key for every single instance you launch with that image | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | could enable* | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | So I think there's a use case here that needs to be fleshed out. | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | Perhaps a good option for a new blue print? | 18:19 |
| dougshelley66 | so we have functoinality like this in our product | 18:20 |
| edmondk | It's just wrapping nova's implementation I would assume | 18:20 |
| vkmc | sure :) | 18:20 |
| vkmc | edmondk, exactly! | 18:20 |
| vkmc | it shouldn't be hard to add | 18:20 |
| edmondk | on the nova_client.servers.create in task manager | 18:20 |
| dougshelley66 | would you like to konw what we did? | 18:20 |
| vkmc | and it would make debugging why an vm failed, for instance, easier | 18:20 |
| vkmc | dougshelley66, of course! | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: yes | 18:20 |
| dougshelley66 | so we added a taskmanager.conf key - use_nova_key_name | 18:20 |
| dougshelley66 | this is the name of a nova keypair that gets injected during trove create | 18:21 |
| dougshelley66 | if you also open port 22 in the tcp_ports section for the datastore, then you can ssh straight in after boot | 18:21 |
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| dougshelley66 | injected is probably the wrong word - we paas it in on nova boot via the --keyname option | 18:22 |
| vkmc | yeah, true that | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: got it. That has assumptions about deployment methodology (like there being a keypair by that name in the tenant that the instance is deployed to) | 18:22 |
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| peterstac | So if you want to use a different key, all you have to do is delete the nova key and import a new one with the same name | 18:22 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, yes | 18:22 |
| edmondk | why not just add another paramater to trove create for keyname? | 18:23 |
| dougshelley66 | it works very well for the debugging use case | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | would probably need to think through this in the BP/spec as well. | 18:23 |
| edmondk | should take about 20 minutes | 18:23 |
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| edmondk | then also have to add it to troveclient etc | 18:23 |
| dougshelley66 | so on trove create would allow the end user to do it | 18:23 |
| dougshelley66 | i don't believe we want that | 18:24 |
| edmondk | yes just like a user can also nova boot with a keyname | 18:24 |
| dougshelley66 | end user shouldn't be able to ssh | 18:24 |
| edmondk | I was actually confused why trove didn't already allow this | 18:24 |
| abramley | right - the question is whether we would want this as end user visible | 18:24 |
| abramley | ... or as a behind the scenes debugging tool | 18:24 |
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| dougshelley66 | edmondk, nova boot and trove create are 2 totally different use cases | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: That's not a scenario (SSH to trove instance) that we want to enable for end users since the trove instance is supposed to be a managed DB instance. | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | so it's more of a debugging / operator convenience to have something like this. | 18:25 |
| dougshelley66 | that is what we engineered it for | 18:25 |
| dougshelley66 | we could take a shot at a BP/spec if you like | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | Well, I'd suggest working with vkmc. | 18:26 |
| dougshelley66 | certainly | 18:26 |
| edmondk | the end user is already allowed to nova delete their own trove instance? | 18:26 |
| vkmc | sure, I'd like to make this feature land in Trove | 18:27 |
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| dougshelley66 | i assume we are post-kilo at this point? | 18:27 |
| edmondk | if the end user has access to do anything through nova commands to their trove instance, being able to ssh could possibly make sense | 18:27 |
| vkmc | we could discuss about the use cases more thoroughly in a spec | 18:27 |
| dougshelley66 | we can do a bp/spec for liberty | 18:27 |
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| vkmc | dougshelley66, sounds good! | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: Yes, unless you wanted to get a spec up in the next 3 days. :) | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | which I don't recommend. | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: Operators don't give trove users access to the nova endpoints. | 18:28 |
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| SlickNik | edmondk: in devstack you do, but that's because it's devstack. | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | Okay, we have a clear path forward for this. Let's move on. | 18:29 |
| vkmc | sure, thanks all | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Review 131610 | 18:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review 131610 (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:30 | |
| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131610/ | 18:30 |
| dougshelley66 | shouldn't that item have some more description aroudn it? | 18:30 |
| dougshelley66 | i.e. like the agenda guidelines state? | 18:30 |
| X019_ | sorry for that | 18:31 |
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| dougshelley66 | np just didn't understand what the goal was | 18:31 |
| vkmc | so, that spec has been around for a long time now | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | X019_: I noticed the updates to the patchset — am planning to review specs today, so will take a look at the review. | 18:32 |
| X019_ | just need someone to go through it and see if its ok | 18:32 |
| peterstac | Is there a specific issue with it that needs to be discussed? | 18:32 |
| X019_ | not that i know of | 18:33 |
| X019_ | i think i covered pretty much everything from last time | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | X019_: Thanks for the update. | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | X019_: In general — we shy away from adding reviews as an agenda item to the meeting unless there's some contention, or a point of discussion that needs to be had. | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | Sounds good. | 18:34 |
| vkmc | X019_, thanks for bringing it up, I have already reviewed it and I was going to submit some comments soon | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:34 |
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| SlickNik | I had one that's a follow up from last week. | 18:35 |
| X019_ | SlickNik, ok i got it | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | X019_: Not a problem :) | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | Looks like we have a clear front-runner at http://doodle.com/candscrt36hg38a7 | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | Week of Aug 24th for the Liberty Mid Cycle sprint | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | So I'm going to run with that date. | 18:37 |
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| SlickNik | Any other items for open discussion? | 18:39 |
| vkmc | not from me :) | 18:39 |
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| SlickNik | We can end early, and folks can have a few minutes back in that case. | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | Remember to review the api-specs! | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/trove-specs,n,z | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 4 18:40:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-03-04-18.00.html | 18:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-03-04-18.00.txt | 18:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-03-04-18.00.log.html | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 18:40 |
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| vkmc | thanks all! | 18:41 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 4 20:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:00 |
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| xgerman | #topic rollcall | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:01 |
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| TrevorV | o/ | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | so TrevorV blogan is being towed again so the RAX people will be late | 20:01 |
| xgerman | ? | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Are the rest of the folks still out for tacos? | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | No he's not getting towed, I went to lunch with another person, so I'm back already and they're just not here yet | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | I was kidding about the towe | 20:02 |
| johnsom | oh wait, it was mole' | 20:02 |
| TrevorV | tow*** part | 20:02 |
| xgerman | if the meeting interferes with lunch plans we can move it to 6 am like where it used to be ;-) | 20:02 |
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| TrevorV | Ha ha ha they'd "love" that | 20:02 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 20:02 |
| xgerman | well, moving along | 20:02 |
| xgerman | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2015-03-04 | 20:03 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:03 | |
| blogan | we're back | 20:03 |
| blogan | sorry for being late | 20:03 |
| xgerman | as long as you didn't get towed... | 20:04 |
| fnaval | o/ | 20:04 |
| xgerman | anyhow, Neutron LBaaS V@ mostly merged!! | 20:04 |
| blogan | i make sure i dont drive anymore, so others will get towed | 20:04 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:04 |
| johnsom | Controller worker coming along. Current patchset builds and marks pending delete amphora. I am working on the load balancer methods now. | 20:04 |
| xgerman | I started a WIP on the amphora agent REST API server | 20:05 |
| dougwig | i'm expecting that a octavia will start getting a lot more attention when kilo/lbaasv2 ships | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | I have progress on an SSH driver in the works. Will need some testing but other than that its looking good. Still WIp though | 20:05 |
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| blogan | min and i have had some misunderstandings on the amphora health manager review, but we'll come to an understanding soon im sure | 20:05 |
| xgerman | I am sure :-) | 20:06 |
| blogan | dougwig: +1 ill definitely be focusing more on octavia after kilo ships | 20:06 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:06 |
| blogan | xgerman, johnsom: if yall want to chime in on that review and let me know if I am missing something or am totally wrong please do | 20:06 |
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| xgerman | no you are spot on | 20:07 |
| ptoohill | o/ | 20:07 |
| rm_work | yeah, I'm trying to keep up on reviews, but if I don't actively find and review something, ping me any time with a CR :P | 20:07 |
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| TrevorV | Any time. Like, 5 am. | 20:07 |
| TrevorV | Our time | 20:07 |
| xgerman | rm_work never sleeps ;-) | 20:07 |
| rm_work | xgerman: more true than I wish, lol | 20:08 |
| xgerman | ok, next topic: | 20:08 |
| xgerman | #topic Discuss removing python 2.6 support - https://review.openstack.org/161008 | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss removing python 2.6 support - https://review.openstack.org/161008 (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:08 | |
| rm_work | #vote hell yes | 20:08 |
| johnsom | +1 | 20:08 |
| dougwig | it's allowed openstack-wide as of kilo. i'm not even sure there's a discussion. :) | 20:08 |
| dougwig | unless one of hp or rax is using rhel6? | 20:08 |
| rm_work | ah this is just a minor thing | 20:08 |
| johnsom | This came up with my discussions with the taskflow folks. They want to drop support and were talking with groups using it. | 20:09 |
| blogan | dougwig: i thought you said neutron removed it for kilo? | 20:09 |
| rm_work | we already don't have support, but we're tagged for 2.6 in the setup | 20:09 |
| TrevorV | We're using py26? It aint in my tox. | 20:09 |
| TrevorV | o_0 | 20:09 |
| dougwig | blogan: yes they did | 20:09 |
| rm_work | this is a no brainer | 20:09 |
| xgerman | rm_work +A | 20:09 |
| xgerman | I alreday did my +2 :-) | 20:09 |
| rm_work | done | 20:09 |
| xgerman | done and done | 20:09 |
| johnsom | nice | 20:10 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:10 | |
| rm_work | xgerman: Just started Season 3 of Fringe :) | 20:10 |
| rm_work | or is it not THAT open? :P | 20:10 |
| xgerman | Ok, so IF the LBaaS talk doesn't get elected barclac said that HP can host a talk at our booth, suite, etc. | 20:10 |
| xgerman | demoing Octavia | 20:11 |
| xgerman | rm_work awesome +1 | 20:11 |
| blogan | xgerman: oh thats great | 20:11 |
| blogan | xgerman: how was the akanda demo last week? | 20:11 |
| blogan | and updates on that? | 20:11 |
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| dougwig | given that rax will just have a little picket sign outside the janitor's closet... | 20:11 |
| xgerman | they rescheduled to this week | 20:11 |
| TrevorV | dougwig wishes he could afford a picket sign | 20:11 |
| blogan | xgerman: ah okay good to know | 20:11 |
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| TrevorV | xgerman doesn't that make it more like a brown-bag or whatever? Or does that mean we can circumvent other events for our own and it becomes a competing interest? | 20:12 |
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| rm_work | yeah sounds like something that'd be a brownbag / lightning talk | 20:13 |
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| rm_work | Blitzsprache? | 20:13 |
| dougwig | as long as a hot (insert desired sex here) person hands me a cell phone charger afterwards, they can give any talk they want. | 20:13 |
| xgerman | Blitzrede | 20:13 |
| rm_work | ah, yes | 20:13 |
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| xgerman | well, it wa smore like having a space in case they don't let us talk in the real conference | 20:14 |
| rm_work | ok | 20:14 |
| rm_work | I will still hold out hope for at LEAST getting accepted for a lightning talk | 20:14 |
| rm_work | but it's good to have fallbacks | 20:14 |
| johnsom | Ouch, such a low bar to sell yourself for dougwig | 20:14 |
| dougwig | i'm easy. | 20:15 |
| rm_work | I forget, does OpenStack have a booth-babes policy for their summits? | 20:15 |
| dougwig | if said booth babe/stud tries to submit code to gerrit, she will feel the full wrath of a code review. | 20:15 |
| * dougwig wanders off to file an HR complaint against himself. | 20:16 | |
| TrevorV | Is that a key word or something, dougwig q | 20:16 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:16 |
| dougwig | no, i just enjoy -2's that much. | 20:16 |
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| dougwig | ok, topic change. | 20:17 |
| xgerman | well, anything else for OpenDiscussion? | 20:17 |
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| blogan | got a recommendation from qa about how to deal with the grenade thing | 20:17 |
| blogan | but thats neutron-lbaas | 20:18 |
| xgerman | shoot | 20:18 |
| TrevorV | bang | 20:18 |
| blogan | basicaly, updating devstack should not be done, it should be updating the grenade job to be able to handle plugins | 20:18 |
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| dougwig | blogan: that was my feeling as well. | 20:18 |
| xgerman | ok, can we update the grenade job ourselves? | 20:18 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:19 |
| blogan | so we would probably be one of the first to get our devstack plugin in and they want to make it easy to do plugins like devstack does, but our first attempt will probably need to be refactored to conform with that way | 20:19 |
| dougwig | anyone can submit to openstack-dev/grenade | 20:19 |
| blogan | unless what we submit is a good approach for them as well obviously | 20:19 |
| xgerman | ajmiller has a lunch meeting but he volunteered to work on that | 20:20 |
| xgerman | so I can let him know and he can submit a patch to the grenade ;-) | 20:20 |
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| dougwig | great. please have him let us know in channel when it's submitted. | 20:21 |
| xgerman | will do | 20:21 |
| blogan | dougwig: that is not imperative for kilo is it since v1 being in devstack as it is works fine? | 20:22 |
| dougwig | in case anyone hadn't noticed, the gate is 440 jobs deep, so it's basically a waste of time to submit anything today for feedback's sake. | 20:22 |
| blogan | good thing we got our stuff merged last night | 20:22 |
| dougwig | blogan: right. | 20:22 |
| dougwig | sorry, the check queue is 440 deep. the gate is empty. :) | 20:22 |
| blogan | oh lol | 20:23 |
| blogan | still | 20:23 |
| blogan | thats a ton | 20:23 |
| blogan | i do need to get 2 reviews up unfortunately | 20:23 |
| dougwig | about 3 days backlog. | 20:23 |
| xgerman | wow, and it's not even 3.5 now... | 20:23 |
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| xgerman | anything else for Open Discussion | 20:24 |
| xgerman | ? | 20:24 |
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| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 4 20:25:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-03-04-20.00.html | 20:25 |
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| aveiga | hello telco folks, who's here for a meeting? | 21:58 |
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| aveiga | #startmeeting telcowg | 21:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 4 21:59:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aveiga. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 21:59 |
| aveiga | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 21:59 |
| aveiga | #topic roll call | 21:59 |
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| aveiga | #endmeeting | 22:04 |
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