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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 2 16:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| jecarey | hi | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for jd__, dims, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka1, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith | 16:00 |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson | lol | 16:00 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | low turnout today :-) | 16:01 |
| bknudson | groundhog day | 16:01 |
| bknudson | I think that's a holidy | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | haha | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| dhellmann | #info rpodolyaka & viktors to start a mailing list thread discussing mysql driver change - DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/thread.html#55469 | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann write down spec approval policy in the specs repository - DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/150119 | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann document policy assumptions for library adoption among applications, including milestones and support for incubator code after graduation | 16:02 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #action bnemec write policy spec on feature freezes | 16:03 |
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| zzzeek | \o | 16:03 |
| dims | o/ | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | I think that's it from alst week | 16:03 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Not done yet. :-/ | 16:03 |
| dims | dhellmann: we're getting more snow today | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | dims: better you than me :-) | 16:03 |
| dims | haha | 16:04 |
| bknudson | dims: groundhog saw his shadow. | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: yeah, I didn't do mine either, so we'll carry those over | 16:04 |
| bnemec | Yeah, we know what happens when Atlanta gets snow. ;-) | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: his shadow would have blown away here in GA | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: seriously, those people are nuts | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | SNOW = So Not Outside Weather | 16:05 |
| dims | bknudson: :( | 16:05 |
| bnemec | lol | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:05 | |
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| bknudson | nothing from keystone... looks like oslo.policy is at least getting cleaned up. | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | now that the Great Breaking of 2014 is done and all of the libs with namespace packages are released, how are things looking? | 16:06 |
| bknudson | not sure what the outlook is for a release. | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: probably not this week | 16:06 |
| bknudson | we need a requirements update for oslo.messaging I think. | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/150556 | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | it should be in the merge queue already | 16:07 |
| bknudson | ok, that should be coming along soon. | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | I approved some of the policy changes that were up for review this morning, but there are still a few open tickets I think | 16:07 |
| bknudson | for some reason some of the changes in keystone are failing... I need to check those out. | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo.policy/+milestone/next-kilo | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | how about some of the other projects, are things going smoothly? | 16:08 |
| bknudson | http://logs.openstack.org/81/151881/1/check/check-grenade-dsvm/d87723f/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz#_2015-01-31_15_32_40_193 -- looks like oslo_messaging. | 16:08 |
| bknudson | maybe just needs the requirements update. | 16:08 |
| bnemec | No issues from tripleo. | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: check the logs to see if it downgraded for some reason | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: and let me know if you continue to have trouble and I'll see if I can help figuring out what's going on there | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | if there are no other issues to raise, we'll move on to the k-2 checkup | 16:11 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/kilo-2 | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing work & Review priorities (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:11 | |
| dhellmann | The k-2 deadline is this week, so we should be focusing on wrapping up any remaining work for blueprints and bugs associated with this milestone. | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | I don't see any incubator reviews that look critical for k-2 | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack%2Foslo-incubator+is:open,n,z | 16:12 |
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| zzzeek | OK I’d like to put a plug out for enginefacade: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138215/ | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | I would like to have some reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151027/ because that will make it easier to work on the versionedobjects lib | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: ok, is that blueprint targeted for k-3? | 16:12 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: I don’t know | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.db/+spec/make-enginefacade-a-facade | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | 1.2.0? what is that? | 16:13 |
| zzzeek | how do you find that so fast.... | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: practice | 16:13 |
| zzzeek | shrugs | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | ok, I changed it to "next-kilo" | 16:13 |
| zzzeek | thanks | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | just a reminder to everyone, make sure the milestone target on your bps and bugs are set correctly to ensure review priority | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | and reviewers, check https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo for items to review | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | how about anyone else? is anyone blocked on something you thought you'd have done by the k-2 deadline? | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | ok, moving on then | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #topic Releases for this week | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:17 | |
| dhellmann | we should get back into a routine of releasing libs frequently, to keep the changes small | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | We have a backlog of changes in taskflow that I'd like to release. I need to talk with harlowja about that | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | The same for pbr, though I need to talk to some of the other pbr devs about those before a release. | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | I don't think we want pbr this week, with the deadline. | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | I see a new fixture in oslo.utils. dims, is that ready for a release? | 16:19 |
| dims | dhellmann: looking | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/wVpLp8C4ES | 16:19 |
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| dims | dhellmann: i believe so | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | dims: do you want to do the honors, or shall I? | 16:20 |
| dims | dhellmann: please go ahead, still catching up from travels | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | dims: ok, sure thing | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | oslotest looks like it's ready, too, so I'll do that one as well | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: oslo.serialization has a new "messagepack utils helper" -- is someone waiting for that? | 16:22 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann: I'm not sure. That only sounds vaguely familiar to me. I think maybe harlowja was involved in that somehow? | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | if we can get https://review.openstack.org/149090 approved we can do another oslo.log change and test it with the nova patch again | 16:23 |
| bnemec | I could be wrong though. That's my vague memory of seeing an email about it. | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: ok | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka, zzzeek : oslo.db has some fixes and new features, is anyone waiting for those? are we at a good point for a release? | 16:24 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: hmmm | 16:24 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: yes the retry decorator I’d like people to get onto | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: ok, I'll go ahead and cut a release | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | well, now that I think about it, I wonder if we shouldn't wait until next week because of the milestone this week | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | maybe I'll just do all of these on monday | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | o/ Sorry, had another meeting run long. | 16:26 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: theres just that one change, an improvement in revalidation of failed connections, and that’s it | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: ok, let's let this be a quiet week and release things next week | 16:27 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: OK | 16:27 |
| jecarey | dhellmann oslo.i18n ... I've got new Nova tests and Cinder test cleanup waiting on the new fixture that is under review (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147262/) | 16:27 |
| bnemec | It's unlikely anyone is going to be adopting anything new at a deadline anyway. | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: right | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | jecarey: ok, I'll put that on my review list | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:28 | |
| dhellmann | that's all I had on the agenda, does anyone have anything else to bring up? | 16:29 |
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| bnemec | :-) | 16:30 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I think we can call it early then | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | spend your extra 29 minutes reviewing patches! :-) | 16:30 |
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| bknudson | thanks | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | thanks everyone | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 2 16:31:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-02-02-16.00.html | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-02-02-16.00.txt | 16:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-02-02-16.00.log.html | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 16:31 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello L2-Gw folks | 18:00 |
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| marutik | Hi Everyone | 18:00 |
| Alokmaurya | Hi | 18:00 |
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| yamahata | hello | 18:01 |
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| Sukhdev | armax: are you here? | 18:01 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_l2gw | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 2 18:02:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic Agenda: | 18:02 |
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| Sukhdev | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/L2Gateway | 18:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements: | 18:03 |
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| Sukhdev | We usually use this topic to give high level status of the project. | 18:03 |
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| Sukhdev | armax: is not here today | 18:03 |
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| Sukhdev | marutik: I noticed we have a lot of code merged - do you want to give a high level update? | 18:04 |
| marutik | Yes | 18:04 |
| marutik | We have started posting patchsets for both the plugin side and the agent side | 18:04 |
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| marutik | The main patch set for plugin for REST APIs is under review, that is, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144097/ | 18:05 |
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| marutik | Hopefully it will get merged soon | 18:06 |
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| Sukhdev | I am amzed at the progress that you guys have made within such a short period of time | 18:06 |
| marutik | Agent side patch set https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145781/, once it gets merged, we will have very less number of patchsets remaining for the agent. | 18:06 |
| marutik | CI for L2 gateway is in good progress. Alok can also update on the same. | 18:07 |
| marutik | Thanks Sukhdev. | 18:07 |
| Alokmaurya | We have infrastructure ready for CI | 18:07 |
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| Sukhdev | Alokmaurya: when will CI start to vote? | 18:08 |
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| Alokmaurya | Infra can not listen for triggers from neutron and ... it deploys new devstack | 18:08 |
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| ijw | yo | 18:09 |
| Alokmaurya | As of now service account is enabled ...hopefully we can enable voting soon | 18:09 |
| Sukhdev | Alokmaurya: cool - that is good news | 18:09 |
| Alokmaurya | currently plan is to start testing plugin /REST APIs | 18:09 |
| Alokmaurya | we are having some issue creating stack once we enable l2gateway plugin | 18:10 |
| Alokmaurya | once new patch for plugin is submitted ...hopefully issue will get resolved | 18:11 |
| Sukhdev | Alokmaurya: can you elaborate on the issue that you are hitting? Devstack fails or neutron fails to start? | 18:11 |
| Alokmaurya | neutron fails to start | 18:11 |
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| Sukhdev | Ah ha.. I think then the patch would help | 18:12 |
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| Alokmaurya | looks like plgin is using rpc classes whic has been removed from /neutron/common/rpc.py | 18:12 |
| Sukhdev | Alokmaurya: are you enabling other service plugins as well ? | 18:12 |
| Alokmaurya | l2gw and l3 plugin | 18:13 |
| Sukhdev | Yes, that makes sense | 18:13 |
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| Sukhdev | there have been effort going on to refactor API/rpc - perhaps that is causing the issue | 18:14 |
| Sukhdev | hopefully when the patches merge, this should be resolved | 18:14 |
| marutik | We will sort this out tomorrow after looking at other service plugins. | 18:15 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else on the high level update? | 18:15 |
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| marutik | Nothing from my side | 18:16 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Patches under review - | 18:16 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/networking-l2gw,n,z | 18:17 |
| Sukhdev | marutik: already touched on couple | 18:17 |
| Sukhdev | I looked at the pathes - things are looking very good | 18:17 |
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| Sukhdev | Everybody - please review them and provide feedback | 18:18 |
| marutik | Selva will hopefully submit another patch set for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144097/ and then we are good to go with REST APIs. | 18:18 |
| marutik | tomorrow | 18:18 |
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| selva | Yes Iam currently working on enhancing test cases and I will update the patch shortly | 18:18 |
| Sukhdev | marutik: How is the testing effort going? | 18:19 |
| marutik | Alok and Ashish are doing excellent job of automating the testing | 18:19 |
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| ashishg | soon i will writting more tests as per the rest api spec | 18:19 |
| Sukhdev | I saw the patch on UTs and posted comments - looking good. | 18:20 |
| marutik | The only thing that is holding Ashish back is the place to commit the Tempest test cases . | 18:20 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Merged Patches | 18:20 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:stackforge/networking-l2gw,n,z | 18:20 |
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| Sukhdev | Lots of patches have merged - which is great news - shows tremendous progress | 18:21 |
| marutik | I agree. | 18:21 |
| Sukhdev | I am pulling in several folks from Arista to review these merged patches | 18:22 |
| marutik | That is great. | 18:22 |
| Sukhdev | especially the OVDB schema for hardware vtep | 18:22 |
| Sukhdev | Anybody has any questions on these patches? | 18:23 |
| marutik | After entire agent code gets merged, it would be good if you could request your team to validate the merged patches with Arista switches. | 18:23 |
| Sukhdev | marutik: that is the intent - | 18:23 |
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| marutik | Thanks. | 18:23 |
| Sukhdev | we have an implementation - hence, want to make sure that the OVSDB schema is very similar/same - so that it can easily be integrated | 18:24 |
| yamahata | Regarding to ovsdb and its schema, won't we use ovs python binding or will we implement ourselves? | 18:24 |
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| yamahata | I understand ovsdb is not complex, so it's feasible to implement our own version. | 18:25 |
| yamahata | but I think it's worthwhile for discussion. | 18:25 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata: correct - if you are implementing from scratch | 18:25 |
| marutik | In my next review/patch set, I am going to post new code for writing/reading from OVSDB hardware_vtep schema | 18:26 |
| yamahata | In short term, I'm fine with l2gw own implementation. | 18:26 |
| Sukhdev | marutik: are you familiar with the OVSDB schema for hardware vtep as used by NSX? | 18:26 |
| yamahata | But what's the long term direction? | 18:27 |
| smillward | The Schema shoudl be the one from OpenvSwitch's (likely 2.3 LTS) git repository | 18:27 |
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| marutik | Sukhdev, yes we are familiar with how NSX is using it. but not sure whether we will be able to address all the use cases in this iteration. | 18:28 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata: ideally, if we can use the schema which matches with existing implementations - it becomes lot easy for existing systems to adopt | 18:28 |
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| Sukhdev | for example, we have lots of code which we can leverage on the back-end if the schema is same as used by NSX | 18:29 |
| marutik | I agree. | 18:29 |
| yamahata | okay. | 18:30 |
| marutik | I think, we can provide comments on the code that I am going to post in near future. | 18:30 |
| Sukhdev | marutik: at least for hardware vtep - if we can align with the existing implementation - it will be a great win for wider community | 18:30 |
| smillward | marutik: You can answer this definitely.. My understanding is that the schema is what NSX-MH is using, but as you point out, this implementation does not implement all of the use cases that NSX-MH uses | 18:30 |
| marutik | I agree. | 18:30 |
| smillward | E.G. Service Node, BFD, etc.. | 18:31 |
| marutik | Yes, Scott | 18:31 |
| Sukhdev | marutik: looking forward to your patch on this | 18:32 |
| marutik | Thanks Sukhdev | 18:32 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else on the schema? | 18:32 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Functional Testing | 18:32 |
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| Sukhdev | We touched on this subject in the previous meeting a bit | 18:33 |
| Sukhdev | we will need to beef this up | 18:33 |
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| Sukhdev | any volunteers? | 18:33 |
| * Sukhdev waiting :-) | 18:34 | |
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| Sukhdev | I guess when we are in a position to pull these patches and start to test, we can come up with the test | 18:35 |
| ashishg | i will be adding more functional tests in the positive and negative side based on the latest specs in tempest framework | 18:35 |
| Sukhdev | ashishg: that would be great | 18:35 |
| Alokmaurya | with some patches which resolves current issues ... we should be able to start testing | 18:36 |
| Sukhdev | #topic : Action item from previous week | 18:36 |
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| Sukhdev | #undo | 18:36 |
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| Sukhdev | Alokmaurya: in the current CI - you do not have any tests specific to L2GW, right? | 18:37 |
| Alokmaurya | we have API tests | 18:37 |
| Alokmaurya | i have local copies of those tests | 18:38 |
| ashishg | we will incorporate the rest api tests in that infrastructure as a initial testing | 18:38 |
| Sukhdev | ashishg: cool - thanks for clarification | 18:38 |
| Sukhdev | anything else on testing? | 18:38 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Action Item from last week | 18:39 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw and I had an action item to come up with a wiki for this project | 18:39 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/L2-GW | 18:39 |
| Sukhdev | Did you guys have a change to look it over? | 18:40 |
| marutik | This is great | 18:40 |
| Sukhdev | This is an initial cut - please review it and feel free to provide feedback | 18:40 |
| Sukhdev | or better yet, please add any use case or any other content as you feel fit | 18:41 |
| marutik | I agree | 18:42 |
| Sukhdev | Anything on the wiki? | 18:42 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Virtual Gateway Implementation | 18:42 |
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| ijw | On the use cases - add them, correct them if they're wrong. Don't delete them just because the current implementation doesn't address them, though, because that doesn't invalidate them. | 18:42 |
| Sukhdev | #undo | 18:43 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: good point - we should mark on the use case that is not covered by this implementation | 18:43 |
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| ijw | And, of course, add more ;) | 18:44 |
| ijw | They're just the ones I've heard about, I don't claim to know everything | 18:44 |
| ijw | I am always right, but that's a different matter ;) | 18:44 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: ha ha you are funny!!! | 18:44 |
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| Sukhdev | anything else? | 18:45 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Virtual Gateway Implementation | 18:45 |
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| Sukhdev | We touched this last meeting as well | 18:46 |
| Sukhdev | Our present implementation is HW device based - it will be good to extend it to virtual implementation | 18:46 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: ? | 18:46 |
| yamahata | Sukhdev: hi. I'm interested. | 18:47 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: You had expressed interest in it | 18:47 |
| yamahata | Both in reference implemetation(ovs agent) and ODl plugin. | 18:47 |
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| yamahata | Probably for L cycle. | 18:47 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata: when you review the code, be sure that it is generic enough to cover virtual use cases as well | 18:47 |
| yamahata | For Kilo. I:m not sure. | 18:47 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata: understood | 18:48 |
| yamahata | That's all from me. | 18:48 |
| Sukhdev | cool thanks | 18:48 |
| smillward | In the context of this implementation, the SouthBound interface to the VTEP GW is OVSDB, so I assume the Virutal Gateway will be configured using OVSDB as well | 18:48 |
| Sukhdev | smillward: does not have to be - but, could be | 18:49 |
| yamahata | Yes, that's my understanding. | 18:49 |
| smillward | If the SB protocol is different (e.g. New RESTconf calls to ODL), then this would be a differerent implementation, right? | 18:49 |
| yamahata | Sukhdev: Right. it doesn't have to be. | 18:49 |
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| yamahata | ODL supports ovsdb protocol too. | 18:50 |
| Sukhdev | smillward: correct - there could be multiple impementation on the SB side | 18:50 |
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| ijw | smillward: I think the question at the moment would be whether the model fits either a software implementation or the way you might choose to implement it in ODL | 18:50 |
| smillward | Got it, more at the API layer | 18:50 |
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| Sukhdev | smillward: correct | 18:50 |
| Sukhdev | This API should support multiple SB implementations | 18:51 |
| smillward | Yes | 18:51 |
| ijw | My concern over the last model I saw is that the nomination of HW devices in calls is exactly the opposite of how physical networks are declared (in config). If I were to implement this in ODL I (personally, and it's a choice) wouldn't want to expose hardware details to Neutron. | 18:51 |
| smillward | The first implementation is for OVSDB as SB API | 18:51 |
| ijw | It's possible that the two parts of the interface should be independent of each other. | 18:51 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: I do not think it is any different from present implementations - i.e. you define physical/provider networks in the config | 18:53 |
| Sukhdev | and then use them/reference them in APIs | 18:53 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: Moreover, some of the config knobs are optional - hence, can be ignored by some implementations | 18:54 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic Open Discussion | 18:54 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, we have covered our agenda - anybody wants to discuss anything? | 18:55 |
| * Sukhdev waiting | 18:55 | |
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| Sukhdev | Folks thanks for great discussion and your participation | 18:56 |
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| marutik | thanks | 18:56 |
| Sukhdev | We are done | 18:56 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks | 18:56 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 18:56 |
| yamahata | thank you | 18:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 2 18:56:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2015/networking_l2gw.2015-02-02-18.02.html | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2015/networking_l2gw.2015-02-02-18.02.txt | 18:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2015/networking_l2gw.2015-02-02-18.02.log.html | 18:56 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 2 18:59:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:59 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 19:00 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:00 |
| catherineD2 | 0/ | 19:00 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 19:01 |
| vladiskuz_ | o/ | 19:01 |
| davidlenwell | hello everyone! | 19:01 |
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| davidlenwell | agenda: uuid spec, auto deploy code, domain name, pending reviews, open discussion | 19:02 |
| davidlenwell | #topic uuid spec | 19:02 |
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| davidlenwell | can everyone please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144329/11 its been almost a week since it was posted | 19:03 |
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| sslupushenko__ | o/ | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | sslupushenko__: can you please review that spec before you go to bed? | 19:05 |
| sslupushenko__ | Sure, I can | 19:05 |
| davidlenwell | I fear it won't get attention from cores without any other reviews | 19:05 |
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| sslupushenko__ | but I still don't see how we will fix issue with tests generated from scenarios | 19:06 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. lets move right alone.. | 19:06 |
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| davidlenwell | #topic auto deploy code | 19:06 |
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| davidlenwell | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000125 | 19:07 |
| davidlenwell | I am going to work on this spec in the early part of the week.. however the work vladiskuz_ and sslupushenko__ have been doing with the oslo config are important steps to making that work.. | 19:07 |
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| sslupushenko__ | davidlenwell Pecan has suck feature. You can use it | 19:09 |
| sslupushenko__ | *such))) | 19:09 |
| Rockyg | LOL | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | pecan has an auto reload when the underlying code changes .. | 19:09 |
| sslupushenko__ | or I can do it if you are to busy | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | but I don't think it will trigger the git update | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | right now I have it hosted with apache.. in production | 19:10 |
| sslupushenko__ | sure... git hook should be devloped | 19:10 |
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| davidlenwell | I'm thinkin a cron job that triggers a git pull and a db migration daily would be fine.. | 19:10 |
| sslupushenko__ | or we can do periodical sync with main repo | 19:11 |
| davidlenwell | that we can always trigger manually if need be | 19:11 |
| davidlenwell | sslupushenko__: yes.. I am thinking just nightly | 19:11 |
| davidlenwell | this way nothing is dependant on my manually updating anything | 19:11 |
| sslupushenko__ | cron sync + autoreload looks good for me | 19:12 |
| davidlenwell | great .. can you take that on please? | 19:12 |
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| davidlenwell | I'd also like to update the readme with the differences in deploying for production vs for development.. | 19:13 |
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| davidlenwell | using apache to host the pecan app as wsgi seems to be the more stable route.. | 19:13 |
| Rockyg | Add the cron+sync as a task to the story, please | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | it is Rockyg https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000125 | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | we just didn't call it that | 19:14 |
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| vladiskuz_ | Folks, I have some question about gunicorn. What do you think about openstack common service? What if use it instead gunicorn? | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | I'm all for doing that vladiskuz_ | 19:14 |
| vladiskuz_ | What are the advantages of the openstack common service? | 19:15 |
| Rockyg | wasn't logged in. done | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | well future proofing for one vladiskuz_.. it seems to be the trend.. | 19:16 |
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| davidlenwell | I think we should at least explore that | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | perhaps a spike to decide if its ready for our use yet vladiskuz_ | 19:16 |
| sslupushenko__ | davidlenwell Ok. I'm planning to finish validation task tomorrow and I will start auto reload feature | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | sslupushenko__: great.. thank you | 19:17 |
| davidlenwell | I think we can move on to the next topic.. domain name | 19:17 |
| davidlenwell | #topic domain name | 19:17 |
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| davidlenwell | I sat on desks at piston until I got more clear answers from piston regarding the domain name.. when josh left piston he transfered a lot of those over.. they haven't all been processed .. and they are looking into it.. | 19:18 |
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| davidlenwell | I am going to keep on them about it.. | 19:18 |
| Rockyg | k | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | in the meantime I think we are fine with proceeding with .net | 19:19 |
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| davidlenwell | I'm going to shoe another topic in here.. | 19:19 |
| davidlenwell | #topic beta users.. | 19:19 |
| catherineD2 | davidlenwell: I think so for domain name.. Now that the server is up let's also allow sometime to discuss UI topic | 19:19 |
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| davidlenwell | I spent a few hours at piston with their q/a lead.. he was using fedora on the machine he was testing from.. the client seemed to run fine.. however he was hitting some road blocks with getting ports open to his test cluster | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | he's working out how to get his laptop to route into the clusters end points from the office network.. I am going to check back with him today.. | 19:21 |
| catherineD2 | are they using Icehouse? | 19:21 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 19:21 |
| davidlenwell | they are using icehouse | 19:22 |
| catherineD2 | so is clee .. | 19:22 |
| davidlenwell | however im sure they'll update soon.. they try to stay a year behind the releases | 19:22 |
| davidlenwell | I think a lot of production clouds are on icehouse now | 19:22 |
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| Rockyg | agreed. | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | hogepodge: have you reached out to any other potential beta testers? | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | I still have not heard a solid answer out of hp.. | 19:23 |
| hogepodge | I'm working with our bizdev person on it. | 19:24 |
| davidlenwell | great. . please keep us updated.. | 19:24 |
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| hogepodge | I have one set of results back from DreamHost | 19:24 |
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| davidlenwell | catherineD2: what was your impression from working with clee on the pain points in getting the client working? | 19:25 |
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| catherineD2 | davidlenwell: seems to be easy for him to get the tests running ... | 19:25 |
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| davidlenwell | yeah .. I feel like it went pretty smoothly.. | 19:26 |
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| catherineD2 | the hard part will be analyzing the results ... | 19:26 |
| Rockyg | Zehicle is having problems with client, but it may be tepest config | 19:26 |
| davidlenwell | I think we are very close to being able to open up the flood gates and get a lot more folks running it. | 19:26 |
| catherineD2 | even that hogepodge: upload the data to the api.refstack.net today ... we do not have an easy way to view that data .... | 19:26 |
| catherineD2 | we need to know the testid ... | 19:27 |
| catherineD2 | so I think we should discuss about UI .. | 19:27 |
| Rockyg | +1 | 19:27 |
| catherineD2 | and also may be authentication for uploading data ... | 19:27 |
| davidlenwell | I'd also like to talk about that.. | 19:27 |
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| sslupushenko__ | we can return url from refstack-client | 19:27 |
| catherineD2 | let discuss UI first /// | 19:27 |
| davidlenwell | we should return the url from the refstack client | 19:28 |
| davidlenwell | lets table ui for the moment | 19:28 |
| sslupushenko__ | where user can review results | 19:28 |
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| davidlenwell | returning the results url in the submission response is the first step | 19:28 |
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| catherineD2 | sslupushenko__: only the one who upload will have that URL (test number)... no one else | 19:29 |
| davidlenwell | thats okay catherineD2 | 19:29 |
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| catherineD2 | so every one should be able to view data ... | 19:29 |
| davidlenwell | we don't want to publish results publicly just yet | 19:29 |
| davidlenwell | we want the vendors to advertise their own links through there own channels | 19:29 |
| catherineD2 | is that so ... | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | otherwise we have to impliment the vendor authorization path | 19:30 |
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| sslupushenko__ | If someone wants to share his own data he should do it by himself | 19:30 |
| catherineD2 | then at least we should have a way for vender to list all of their tests based on keystone UUID | 19:30 |
| sslupushenko__ | I argeed with David | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | which we'll eventually do but It hink for now its a bigger problem than we have the bandwidth to solve | 19:30 |
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| davidlenwell | catherineD2: lets review our use cases again and repriorities for the next steps in development | 19:31 |
| catherineD2 | that is incase I lost that URL ... | 19:31 |
| Rockyg | catherineD2: only matching vendor should be able to view data until security in place. | 19:31 |
| davidlenwell | I'll have to dig up the google doc that rob and I worked out | 19:31 |
| catherineD2 | Rockyg: agree+1 .. | 19:31 |
| catherineD2 | but what if I lost the testid and url? | 19:31 |
| davidlenwell | then resubmit | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | it will give you a new one | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | no skin off our hide | 19:32 |
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| sslupushenko__ | We can provide some workaround for now adding logs in refstack-client | 19:33 |
| catherineD2 | davidlenwell: interesting ... the the db can be full of repeated test results ... at which point do we clean up? | 19:33 |
| sslupushenko__ | Client can log retrived test-id there | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | sslupushenko__: I think thats a great idea .. and easy enough to do / document | 19:34 |
| sslupushenko__ | catherineD2 We can handle duplications | 19:34 |
| vladiskuz_ | sorry, what about personal account for vendor? Is it bad idea? | 19:34 |
| catherineD2 | should we not provide an API for vendoer to retrive their testid based on keystone id? | 19:34 |
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| davidlenwell | catherineD2: im not saying we shouldn't | 19:34 |
| sslupushenko__ | We difenatly should! | 19:35 |
| catherineD2 | davidlenwell: I think that is a good API to have .. | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | i'm saying we should stick to solving our usecases .. and I think that is a pretty big chunk to bite off without propper planning | 19:35 |
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| catherineD2 | we will need that in the future | 19:35 |
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| davidlenwell | catherineD2: we should have a face to face planning session | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | I don't want to wave hands and end up with the wrong thing | 19:35 |
| sslupushenko__ | +1 | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | I want to whiteboard and put together specs and build the right things | 19:36 |
| sslupushenko__ | good idea | 19:36 |
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| davidlenwell | catherineD2: can we get together sometime in feb for a planning session? | 19:36 |
| catherineD2 | davidlenwell: sure ... | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | lets start an email thread about that and get it planned before next week.. | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | we'll finalize plans at next weeks meeting | 19:37 |
| catherineD2 | maybe we should start an ehterpad to log the topic for the next f2f? | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | sure | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | lets move on for now tho.. we are down to 20 minutes.. | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | #topic pending reviews | 19:38 |
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| davidlenwell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151805/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151731/ | 19:39 |
| davidlenwell | I've gave a plus 2 last week.. we need a review from sslupushenko__ to merge.. catherineD2 shouldn't merge her own reviews | 19:39 |
| vladiskuz_ | what about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149589/ patch? | 19:40 |
| catherineD2 | I am reviewing the new one that vladiskuz_: just upload | 19:41 |
| catherineD2 | vladiskuz_: thx for the update | 19:41 |
| davidlenwell | was getting to that vladiskuz_.. its a big patch .. just started reviewing before the meeting | 19:41 |
| davidlenwell | I think those are the only pending reviews.. | 19:42 |
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| davidlenwell | please make sure they get attention today.. | 19:43 |
| davidlenwell | pvaneck: you should be reviewing stuff too | 19:43 |
| sslupushenko__ | catherineD2 davidlenwell Please add me to review for your patched. I missed these last one... | 19:43 |
| pvaneck | yep | 19:43 |
| catherineD2 | sslupushenko__: will do | 19:43 |
| davidlenwell | anyone should just add refstack-core to any reivew | 19:43 |
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| sslupushenko__ | thx) | 19:43 |
| davidlenwell | it will add catherineD2, sslupushenko__ and myself | 19:43 |
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| sslupushenko__ | done | 19:45 |
| davidlenwell | okay.. lets move into open discussion .. | 19:45 |
| davidlenwell | #topic open discussion | 19:45 |
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| sslupushenko__ | If we don;t have other topics tets dissuss test uuids for scenarios tests | 19:46 |
| sslupushenko__ | *lets | 19:46 |
| davidlenwell | what are your thoughts on this topic sslupushenko__? | 19:46 |
| sslupushenko__ | It will be somewhat hard to fix | 19:47 |
| davidlenwell | I don't dissagree.. Do you have thoughts on where to start? | 19:47 |
| sslupushenko__ | We need to investigate how scenarios tests will generated and add some code there | 19:48 |
| sslupushenko__ | but I don't understand how we will generete unique id | 19:49 |
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| sslupushenko__ | no one has any other ideas? | 19:50 |
| davidlenwell | lets start with a detailed problem description in an etherpad .. then we can layout some options for solutions. | 19:51 |
| catherineD2 | sslupushenko__: I have not looked at scenario tests... My concentration so far is on API test ... I can take a look | 19:51 |
| Rockyg | haven't looked at it yet. I need to understand how the scenario test work. If you have a link to a readme, that would get me started | 19:51 |
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| pvaneck | by scenario tests, we are talking about the api tests with stuffff like "(flavor_name_gen_none)" in their names right? | 19:53 |
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| sslupushenko__ | Oh, Maybe it is missunderstanding here. I meant tests autogenereted from some base test in tempest. There are a lof them in API tests | 19:53 |
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| sslupushenko__ | pvaneck thx) | 19:53 |
| pvaneck | so right now, it seems like test_flavors_negative.py is the only test file utilizing these autotests | 19:54 |
| catherineD2 | pvaneck: thx for keeping us on track ... | 19:54 |
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| sslupushenko__ | I guess, I saw it in other tests too...let me check | 19:55 |
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| pvaneck | not sure about labeling each one with a uuid though | 19:55 |
| pvaneck | at least testr has a way of distinguishing each one given by the fact you can run a single one using the full test_id | 19:56 |
| pvaneck | tempest.api.compute.admin.test_flavors_negative.FlavorCreateNegativeTestJSON.test_flavor_create_negative[gate,negative](flavor_vcpus_gen_int_min) | 19:56 |
| pvaneck | for example | 19:56 |
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| sslupushenko__ | any part of test id can be changed | 19:57 |
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| Rockyg | Hmm. Negative tests are going to be more release specific. And they are necessary for Interop validation. | 19:58 |
| davidlenwell | alright gang .. we are out of time.. lets move this discussion in channel.. | 19:59 |
| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 2 19:59:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-02-02-18.59.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-02-02-18.59.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-02-02-18.59.log.html | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 2 20:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| rm_work | ohai o/ | 20:00 |
| hockeynut | o/ | 20:01 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 20:01 |
| chellygel | \(>///<)/ | 20:01 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
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| jvrbanac | o/ | 20:01 |
| jaosorior | o/ | 20:02 |
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| jvrbanac | <_< | 20:02 |
| jaosorior | >_> | 20:02 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | Well, we have a few barbicaneers here, but not the folks I was hoping would be here | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | lots of stuff on the agenda though | 20:03 |
| alee | o/ | 20:03 |
| hockeynut | feeling the love :-) | 20:03 |
| redrobot | which, as usual, can be found here: | 20:03 |
| rm_work | T_T | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:03 |
| redrobot | not that I don't want YOU guys here... :D | 20:03 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:04 |
| hockeynut | <stepping back off of the ledge> | 20:04 |
| redrobot | ok, let's get started, hopefully we'll be able to get through some stuff we left on hold last week | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | #topic Kilo 2 | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/kilo-2 | 20:04 |
| redrobot | Thanks jaosorior for all the bugfixes! | 20:04 |
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| jaosorior | a couple more coming :P | 20:05 |
| redrobot | jaosorior nice! | 20:05 |
| redrobot | I want to give Thierry a good sha to release for Kilo-2 tomorrow, or Thursday at the latest | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | alee I see that there's two CRs in review for the Common Certificate API BP | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | alee are those the only two outstanding CRs for the BP to be complete? | 20:06 |
| jaosorior | I need to hurry the fuck up to review those | 20:06 |
| alee | redrobot, yup | 20:06 |
| alee | :) | 20:06 |
| jaosorior | sorry for the slowness alee | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146611/ | 20:07 |
| alee | jaosorior, no prob -- reviews from others too please :) | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150670/ | 20:07 |
| redrobot | if we can get those reviewed (and hopefully landed) in the next day we can call the BP complete for Kilo2 | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | which would be awesome | 20:07 |
| redrobot | so please everyone take some time to review | 20:07 |
| alee | redrobot, we're not quite there yet | 20:08 |
| jaosorior | the simple cmc one just needs a workflow, basically | 20:08 |
| alee | there will be more crs to come | 20:08 |
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| alee | both just need workflows I think | 20:08 |
| redrobot | alee sorry, got confused... I asked if those were the only two? | 20:08 |
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| jaosorior | yeah, but I don't want to workflow it before I finish understanding it :( and I have to catch up on reading the details | 20:08 |
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| alee | redrobot, those are only two out there currently | 20:08 |
| jaosorior | that's why I've been slow | 20:09 |
| alee | but there is more code that needs to be written | 20:09 |
| redrobot | alee got it... so no complete BP for Kilo-2 then... | 20:09 |
| alee | validation code for instance | 20:09 |
| redrobot | alee I'll go ahead and bump that BP to Kilo-3 | 20:09 |
| alee | when is kilo-2? | 20:09 |
| rm_work | Thursday | 20:09 |
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| alee | yeah - not for kilo-2 | 20:09 |
| redrobot | rm_work Thierry prefers them early | 20:09 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | rm_work so Tomorrow since we don't have any other BPs that would land | 20:09 |
| alee | but that doesn't mean ya'll should put off the reviews :) | 20:09 |
| rm_work | we're probably working up to the 11th hour for neutron-lbaas >_> | 20:10 |
| redrobot | alee +1 | 20:10 |
| redrobot | rm_work hehe nice | 20:10 |
| redrobot | ok... I | 20:10 |
| redrobot | I'll look through the bug reports to make sure I haven't missed any | 20:10 |
| alee | redrobot, there are some CRs out for the "identifying CAs" BP too | 20:10 |
| redrobot | but if all looks good, I'll ask Thierry to cut Kilo-2 tomorrow. | 20:10 |
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| rm_work | We still have some *spec* BPs that aren't merged <_< is it getting pretty late in the cycle for Kilo for still sitting on specs? | 20:11 |
| redrobot | alee indeed... I'm so behind on reviews it's not even funny... | 20:11 |
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| tkelsey | rm_work: +1 | 20:12 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: drink coffee like there's no tomorrow | 20:12 |
| redrobot | rm_work we still have a while before feature proposal freeze, but yes, I would like us to drive those specs home by the mid-cycle at the latest | 20:12 |
| woodster_ | it would be good to land those before the mid cycle...hackathon not blueprintathon! :) | 20:12 |
| redrobot | woodster_ +1 | 20:12 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on from Kilo-2... we got a ton of stuff on the agenda still. | 20:12 |
| redrobot | #topic Quota BP | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132091 | 20:13 |
| redrobot | Open question: Admin endpoint (9312) vs service admin thats allowed to set quotas on any project it wishes to? | 20:13 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I think you added this to the agenda last week? | 20:13 |
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| tsv | redrobot, woodster, i added a comment today to the spec on that | 20:13 |
| woodster_ | yes, trying to get traction on this bp | 20:13 |
| jaosorior | tsv: yeah, just reading your comments | 20:14 |
| jaosorior | that one I did review with time | 20:14 |
| tsv | jaosorior, thanks | 20:14 |
| redrobot | woodster_ regarding the open question, did you get a chance to send something to the mailing list? | 20:14 |
| woodster_ | I think that is the bigger question on that bp....and it seems that the admin role access vs admin endpoint is the way to go, esp. since keystone v3 doesn't support admin endpoint I recall | 20:14 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, I did not, but I think if v3 is not supporting it, we really need to go the admin rbac route | 20:15 |
| morganfainberg | woodster_, please go RBAC route | 20:15 |
| morganfainberg | please. | 20:15 |
| woodster_ | so that would be the 'cloud admin' sort of role, not the barbican admin role | 20:15 |
| morganfainberg | :) | 20:15 |
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| morganfainberg | hard-coded roles backs everyone into corners in the long run (We're working hard to get rid of "admin" and move to RBAC for other services) | 20:15 |
| rm_work | yeah, i thought we were removing the admin endpoint ages ago -- i had it in one of my CRs but reverted it so someone else could make a CR | 20:16 |
| morganfainberg | and admin endpoints scare me /security | 20:16 |
| woodster_ | morganfainberg, on great! So we would modify our policy to only let a cloud admin access to those admin only resources, ocrrect? | 20:16 |
| rm_work | did that just never happen | 20:16 |
| rm_work | ? | 20:16 |
| morganfainberg | woodster_, ideally | 20:16 |
| morganfainberg | woodster_, or whatever role you're looking to make this admin role | 20:16 |
| redrobot | morganfainberg so, the argument FOR admin endpoints is that you can run those on a different network. | 20:16 |
| morganfainberg | it *might* be barbican_admin | 20:16 |
| woodster_ | nice! tsv, then it seems like you could put a final update for your blueprint then | 20:17 |
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| tsv | woodster, great! will do today | 20:17 |
| morganfainberg | redrobot, there is nothing saying you can;'t make the public endpoint(s) [filtered out via enfpoint filtering] have the policy not allow access to those apis | 20:17 |
| woodster_ | this is for a resource that is able to set quotas on other projects than their own, so I'm thinking it has to be a non-barbican admin role of some sort? | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | morganfainberg true... I don't have a preference either way, it's just that I've heard some arguments for admin endpoints that supposedly makes them easier to protect. | 20:18 |
| morganfainberg | redrobot, and then the right "admin" people could be filtered to the admin endpoint. - but i digress. it still falls into "do it with RBAC" you can configure deployment other ways as well. but RBAC allows for a lot more flexibility in who ends up managing the barbican stuff in real deployments | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | #agreed we'll add administration to the public endpoint via RBAC | 20:19 |
| woodster_ | thanks for weighing in morganfainberg | 20:19 |
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| morganfainberg | of course! | 20:19 |
| tsv | morganfainberg, thanks! | 20:19 |
| jaosorior | excellent | 20:19 |
| * morganfainberg likes OpenStack policy enforcement to be consistent (for obvious reasons) | 20:19 | |
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| * morganfainberg might be pushing hard for good interop stories. | 20:19 | |
| redrobot | woodster_ is there anything else about this BP we need to discuss ? | 20:19 |
| morganfainberg | and we're working on stuff to make policy better [via keystone] so.. yay thanks for RBAC :) | 20:19 |
| woodster_ | I don't think so, tsv can you put an update based on cmments? Maybe we could land this one this week? | 20:20 |
| tsv | sure. will do | 20:20 |
| redrobot | rm_work I agree, we should get rid of the admin endpoint sooner rather than later. | 20:20 |
| woodster_ | it's a good thing we never actually got it working then ;) | 20:20 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:21 |
| woodster_ | I think it just has the version resource on it now | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #topic Castellan | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | Which openstack services are driving? What is the timeline for Castellan availability and services started using it? | 20:21 |
| redrobot | I'm not sure who added this? | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | it was left on the agenda from last week | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller maybe? | 20:22 |
| arunkant | its me. Just want to find out about this | 20:22 |
| redrobot | arunkant so the idea for Castellan came out of the Paris summit | 20:22 |
| arunkant | Interested in knowing how services are going to use it. | 20:22 |
| redrobot | arunkant currently it's an effort to remove duplication from Cinder and Nova | 20:23 |
| redrobot | the JHU team noticed that both Cinder and Nova (?) were both adding an additional abstraction on top of python-barbicanclient | 20:23 |
| redrobot | instead of integrating directly | 20:23 |
| arunkant | Okay..so are those services going to use that instead of barbican cliemt | 20:23 |
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| jaosorior | arunkant: Well, that could use barbicanclient as a backend | 20:24 |
| woodster_ | arunkant, correct. Barbican client is an optional plugin for it | 20:24 |
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| jaosorior | * plugin...not backend | 20:24 |
| redrobot | arunkant yes, Castellan will just be an abstract interface | 20:24 |
| rm_work | yes, Nova/Cinder/Neutron will use Castellan as a KeyManager / CertManager | 20:24 |
| woodster_ | if folks don't want a barbican dependency, there could be other plugins that go directly to an HSM (for example) | 20:25 |
| rm_work | and then Castellan can be configured to use a Barbican backend plugin (or other plugin) | 20:25 |
| redrobot | arunkant the actual implementation will use python-barbicanclient | 20:25 |
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| arunkant | So what functionality is targeted for Castellan ..looks like keymgr. Is it going to be made available in Kilo? | 20:25 |
| woodster_ | I think the timeline is kilo, with patches in other projects using Castellan in Kilo too? | 20:26 |
| rm_work | hopefully | 20:26 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller is not online to ask him | 20:26 |
| rm_work | arunkant: CertMgr also | 20:26 |
| woodster_ | rm_work will your team have Kilo patches to use it then? | 20:27 |
| rm_work | my goal is to have Castellan "working" by the end of the Barbican meetup | 20:27 |
| rm_work | woodster_: I will write them, yes | 20:27 |
| arunkant | Okay..so cinder has keymgr which is using barbicanclient right now..so they are going to revert to Castellan in kilo? | 20:27 |
| redrobot | arunkant no, keymgr will be castellan instead... they'll still use barbicanclient to talk to barbican | 20:27 |
| rm_work | arunkant: I believe that is the plan -- though technically that could be put off until L without real issues | 20:27 |
| redrobot | arunkant now the interaction is Cinder -> keymgr -> barbicanclient | 20:28 |
| redrobot | arunkant after castellan it will be Cinder -> Castellan -> barbicanclient | 20:28 |
| rm_work | right | 20:28 |
| rm_work | though keymgr is inside their project currently, so... <_< | 20:28 |
| tsv | anybody knows if swift is planning on using Castellan too ? | 20:29 |
| redrobot | there was some concern on #openstack-infra last time we were talking about castellan | 20:29 |
| jaosorior | concern about what? | 20:30 |
| redrobot | tsv we would prefer that everyone integrate with python-barbicanclient directly, so hopefully not. | 20:30 |
| rm_work | redrobot: >_> | 20:30 |
| redrobot | jaosorior about people not wanting to integrate with barbicanclient directly | 20:30 |
| rm_work | there are good reasons to not | 20:30 |
| redrobot | jaosorior about adding yet another abstraction, etc. | 20:30 |
| rm_work | redrobot: are you anti-Castellan? :P | 20:30 |
| arunkant | Okay..So is the castellan initiatve driven by service teams ? | 20:30 |
| jaosorior | yeah... I understand the concern | 20:31 |
| arunkant | I mean..as it appears to be another abstraction around barbicanclient. | 20:32 |
| redrobot | rm_work not really... but some of the arguments made me reconsider some assumptions. | 20:32 |
| woodster_ | I recall concern about barbican not being integrated yet driving some of this effort. | 20:32 |
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| tsv | redrobot, sorry got confused. thought the keymanager will be abstracted by castellan ? | 20:32 |
| rm_work | tsv: keymanager literally *moves into* castellan | 20:33 |
| rm_work | the code is essentially being copy/pasted | 20:33 |
| rm_work | Castellan now provides KeyManager | 20:33 |
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| rm_work | instead of the KeyManager code being local to each project | 20:33 |
| tsv | rm_work, in that case swift has to use castellan right ? | 20:33 |
| rm_work | does Swift currently have KeyManager code merged? | 20:33 |
| kfarr | rm_work, not that I'm aware of | 20:33 |
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| tsv | i don't know - if somebody knows about it, please share | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | tsv I think you have a valid concern... we do need to figure out what the recommendation should be moving forward | 20:34 |
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| arunkant | rm_work, Okay so this new keymgr has a standard and common interface for all services (cinder, nova, lbass) ? | 20:35 |
| tsv | redrobot, sure | 20:35 |
| woodster_ | I think reaperhulk has been speaking the most with swift...can get an update from him next week when he's back | 20:35 |
| rm_work | arunkant: yes | 20:35 |
| tsv | woodster_, that would be great. thanks! | 20:35 |
| rm_work | so Neutron-LBaaS -> Castellan.CertManager -> Barbican | 20:35 |
| rm_work | Cinder -> Castellan.KeyManager -> Barbican | 20:35 |
| rm_work | or Neutron-LBaaS -> Castellan.CertManager -> LocalConf | 20:36 |
| rm_work | (for a dev/testing environment where security isn't an issue) | 20:36 |
| arunkant | So all these castellan functionality targeted for Kilo ? | 20:37 |
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| rm_work | I hope so | 20:37 |
| redrobot | rm_work I think the open question is, Will the Barbican Team recommendation be that EVERYONE use Castellan? | 20:37 |
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| rm_work | redrobot: I don't think it needs to be? but I certainly would, just for ease of development | 20:37 |
| arunkant | rerobot: + 1, that was my next question..how services decide whether to use barbican client or castellan (benefits ??) | 20:38 |
| rm_work | Castellan takes care of some stuff / simplifies the interaction a little bit | 20:38 |
| rm_work | and allows for simpler dev | 20:39 |
| tsv | rm_work, for the Neutron-LBaaS case, there are two parts right ? 1. lbaas user gets cert from barbican using barbican client 2. lbaas admin talks to barbican using castellan to get the user's cert ? | 20:39 |
| redrobot | rm_work I've been starting to think that maybe Castellan could have just been an abstraction layer in python-barbicanclient | 20:39 |
| jaosorior | so...what's stopping us from using these levels of abstraction in barbicanclient? | 20:39 |
| redrobot | rm_work sort of how pyca/cryptography has a high-level and low-level api | 20:39 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot, I recall some projects were holding back on integrating with barbican until we integrated, so castellan gave a way to make that dependency optional | 20:40 |
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| rm_work | jaosorior: do you want to implement LocalConf / LocalFile implementations of cert/key storage in python-barbicanclient? | 20:40 |
| redrobot | jaosorior +1 that's the question I'm struggling with right now. | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ not after we decided to put the python-barbicanclient impl in castellan | 20:40 |
| jaosorior | rm_work: is that a challenge? :P | 20:40 |
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| rm_work | jaosorior: no, it's easy to DO them -- I have them done already | 20:40 |
| rm_work | the point is: do you think those would belong in python-barbicanclient? | 20:40 |
| rm_work | I really hope that's an obvious "no" | 20:40 |
| jaosorior | yeah... it KINDA breaks semantics | 20:41 |
| rm_work | also I am hoping to push some cert convenience utilities into Castellan | 20:41 |
| woodster_ | yeah, the python client should be a lean as possible interface with the service API. | 20:41 |
| redrobot | I think the convenience API _could_ be in python-barbicanclient... especially after some weirdness i've seen tdink_ run into | 20:41 |
| jaosorior | but I still feel dubious about another level of abstraction. Kinda feels like we failed to provide proper abstraction in our API | 20:42 |
| hockeynut | jaosorior glad I'm not alone there | 20:42 |
| redrobot | jaosorior +1 that was one of the concerns that came up in infra | 20:42 |
| rm_work | I don't think that's true | 20:42 |
| rm_work | if you ONLY wanted to store secrets in Barbican, then using python-barbicanclient would be fine | 20:42 |
| woodster_ | which is how the project started 2 years ago :) | 20:43 |
| rm_work | but I think it makes sense for ANY project to allow for different implementations, just for ease of dev/testing | 20:43 |
| rm_work | we use the LocalConf plugin right now in every stage of dev/test | 20:43 |
| redrobot | rm_work but we could provide that with a test object for testing purposes | 20:43 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: +1 | 20:43 |
| rm_work | only when we move to production would we switch to the Barbican plugin | 20:43 |
| redrobot | rm_work the way that keystoneclient provides testing objects | 20:43 |
| rm_work | hmm | 20:44 |
| redrobot | the only good argument I've heard is people who want to bypass barbican completely | 20:44 |
| woodster_ | redrobot +1 | 20:44 |
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| rm_work | so you think CertManager / KeyManager should just live in python-barbicanclient now? | 20:44 |
| redrobot | which rellerreller had a use case for | 20:44 |
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| redrobot | rm_work I'm still not 100%, but I'm starting to lean that way | 20:45 |
| jaosorior | well, something we should definitely discuss further in the meetup | 20:45 |
| redrobot | I'm sure we'll discuss this some more | 20:45 |
| redrobot | jaosorior +1 | 20:45 |
| rm_work | hmm, k | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on, b/c I don't think we'll be able to cover all of the agenda items. | 20:45 |
| redrobot | #topic L-release Design Sessions | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-L-design-sessions | 20:46 |
| redrobot | woodster_ did you add these? | 20:46 |
| woodster_ | I mainly added that to raise awareness...never too late to plan for L | 20:46 |
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| woodster_ | ...and we did that about this time before the Paris summit I recall | 20:46 |
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| woodster_ | eventually we can vote on sessions worthy of their own design sessions, vs discussion at our table | 20:47 |
| redrobot | yep, definitely good to stay on top of these things | 20:47 |
| redrobot | I'm sure we'll have plenty to add to the etherpad during the mid-cycle | 20:48 |
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| redrobot | any questions/comments about this? | 20:48 |
| woodster_ | yep, so can move to next agenda item if you'd like | 20:48 |
| redrobot | if not I think we may be able to squeeze in one of jaosorior's bug questions? | 20:48 |
| jaosorior | hopefully :D | 20:48 |
| redrobot | #topic Migration Scripts | 20:49 |
| alee | woodster_, sorry - are these for the meeting or for the summit? | 20:49 |
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| redrobot | alee the ehterpad is to start planning the vancouver summit | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | alee, for the summit, just trying get word out about the etherpad | 20:49 |
| alee | woodster_, ok | 20:49 |
| redrobot | Migration scripts are not being ran (according to the bugs that I've found) up to which revision should we keep(support)? | 20:49 |
| jaosorior | yup | 20:49 |
| jaosorior | so I noticed a BUNCH of migration scripts had bugs, specially on the downgrade functions | 20:50 |
| jaosorior | and... nobody had complained | 20:50 |
| alee | woodster_, good thinking ahead -- I'm just trying to figure out whats happening the nexttwo weeks | 20:50 |
| jaosorior | so I'm guessing nobody was really running them | 20:50 |
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| redrobot | I think that Grenade is the correct tool to test these things, but I have never looked into it | 20:50 |
| jaosorior | so then I stumbled with one that... honestly was taking me too long to fix | 20:50 |
| redrobot | regarding the support question, that's easy | 20:50 |
| jaosorior | and then I thought...is it really worth it? So I thought maybe it would be better to delete the older ones | 20:50 |
| redrobot | we need to be able to provide a schema migration from Juno -> Kilo | 20:50 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, but once the new release cycle starts, we start with a clean slate (i.e. no alembic migration modules) correct? | 20:51 |
| redrobot | woodster_ that's a good question... I don't know the answer to that. | 20:51 |
| woodster_ | grenade + other databases in the test (like PostgreSQL) maybe | 20:52 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I'm not super familiar with alembic... is there a way to reset the schema? ie. squash all the migrations and make that the new schema base? | 20:52 |
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| woodster_ | well, the schema is initialized by the models in our models.py module. The alembic scripts apply deltas to that. | 20:53 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: I have no idea about that. But a fresh installation of Barbican would not even use the alembic scripts | 20:53 |
| jaosorior | even the "initial" alembic migration script is actually just a placeholder | 20:53 |
| jaosorior | doesn't really do anything | 20:53 |
| woodster_ | I can take a look at that though before next week | 20:53 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ sounds good | 20:54 |
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| woodster_ | jaosorior, I think it just establishes the intial version stamp on the db | 20:54 |
| redrobot | #action woodster_ to look into alembic migrations to understand what is needed to support Juno -> Kilo migration. | 20:54 |
| jaosorior | yeah, the hash is used for the database | 20:54 |
| jaosorior | but that's about it | 20:55 |
| redrobot | I think ideally, at the start of the Cycle, we would reset the base schema | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | so that at the end of the cycle, we are able to migrate from the previous release to the current one. | 20:55 |
| woodster_ | redrobot +1 | 20:55 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: I'm not sure about that | 20:55 |
| redrobot | jaosorior the assumption is that most operators will be running the official release | 20:56 |
| jaosorior | since we still need to support migrating from Juno to Kilo, no? so then the hashes still need to be kept consistent | 20:56 |
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| redrobot | jaosorior so, for the Kilo release, the base should be the schema barbican had for the Juno-final release | 20:56 |
| woodster_ | I'll see if I can dig up info from other projects on it | 20:56 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: yes | 20:57 |
| rm_work | 3 minutes? | 20:57 |
| rm_work | 2 minutes. | 20:57 |
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| redrobot | jaosorior and we need to be able to apply migrations such that when Kilo releases, the migrations can bring an existing Juno DB up to the new schema | 20:57 |
| redrobot | I _think_ that's what grenade can do for us | 20:58 |
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| redrobot | but we'll see what woodster_ can dig up :) | 20:58 |
| jaosorior | woodster_: From what I've noticed, keystone keeps all of them | 20:58 |
| woodster_ | I did add one more agenda item | 20:58 |
| morganfainberg | we do not | 20:58 |
| jaosorior | no? | 20:58 |
| morganfainberg | we started collapsing migrations. | 20:58 |
| jaosorior | I see a bunch of havana ones there | 20:58 |
| jaosorior | oooh | 20:58 |
| jaosorior | that sounds better | 20:58 |
| morganfainberg | yes we are supporting n-2 | 20:58 |
| morganfainberg | we did the first collapse in juno | 20:59 |
| morganfainberg | so we support havana->juno | 20:59 |
| morganfainberg | this cycle we will support icehouse -> kilo | 20:59 |
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| morganfainberg | :) | 20:59 |
| jaosorior | morgainfainberg: Thanks man, that was super quick :) | 20:59 |
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| * morganfainberg swears he doesn't lurk in these channels to look awesome like that | 20:59 | |
| redrobot | just in the nick of time too | 20:59 |
| redrobot | thanks everyone! | 21:00 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 2 21:00:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-02-02-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-02-02-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-02-02-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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