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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 22 15:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | hello | 15:00 |
| u_glide | hi | 15:01 |
| jasonsb | hi | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:01 |
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| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang2 | hi | 15:01 |
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| ganso_ | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
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| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| chen | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | I'm going to reorder the agenda a bit | 15:01 |
| bswartz | I want to start with | 15:02 |
| marcusvrn_ | Hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic Kilo-2 milestone review | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo-2 milestone review (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
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| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/kilo-2 | 15:02 |
| bswartz | So we're 2 weeks way from kilo-2 | 15:02 |
| bswartz | there's a lot of content targeted at kilo-2 which is not done | 15:03 |
| bswartz | and we need to start pushing stuff out if it's not ready | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | does anyone see stuff on the list that's definitely not happening? | 15:04 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:04 |
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| ganso_ | yes | 15:04 |
| bswartz | or anything here that's not properly updated? | 15:04 |
| jasonsb | i'll submit driver after this meeting | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz; several bugs for cdot driver | 15:04 |
| bswartz | if there's a change in gerrit, it should be in Needs Code Review | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | for anything that's not ready for code review today, its chances of slipping to K-3 increase every day | 15:05 |
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| cknight | vponomaryov: let's hold off the cDOT driver bugs until the refactor is merged | 15:06 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: you think those bugs won't get fixed or they will? | 15:06 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: they won't , some of them just as notification | 15:06 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:06 |
| ganso_ | my driver will not be targeted to kilo-2 anymore | 15:07 |
| bswartz | anyone who owns a blueprint that's not ready for review, expect me to ping you | 15:07 |
| marcusvrn_ | We will update the bp | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I'm going to just retarget stuff if I can't get a good answer | 15:07 |
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| jasonsb | ganso_: marcusvrn_ :( | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | and just so there's no confusion, it's okay if stuff slips to Kilo-3 | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | but if Kilo-3 gets too much content, the reviews might get overloaded | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | reviewers* | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | and new features CANNOT slip past kilo-3 | 15:08 |
| bswartz | so do us all a favor and get your changes in early | 15:09 |
| bswartz | and do me a favor and update your BPs/bugs in launchpad sometime in the next 50 minutes | 15:09 |
| xyang2 | I see there are things already merged but still marked need code review: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/huawei-manila-driver | 15:09 |
| bswartz | xyang2: I know | 15:09 |
| bswartz | that's why this list needs a cleanup so we can assess where we really are relative to the K-2 date | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | I'm going to do my best to sort it all out but help is appreciated | 15:10 |
| bswartz | any questions about K-2 before we move on? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dev status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:11 | |
| bswartz | okay now lets get an update from vponomaryov | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Rename of driver modes | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/rename-driver-modes | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/147821 | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | status: finished | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Single_svm mode for Generic driver | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/single-svm-mode-for-generic-driver | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/142403 | 15:12 |
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| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Manage/unmanage shares | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/manage-shares | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/147495 | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | 4) Share access levels 'ro' and 'rw' | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/level-of-access-for-shares | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | - client #link https://review.openstack.org/144298 | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | - server #link https://review.openstack.org/144617 | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:13 |
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| vponomaryov | 5) level of visibility for shares | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/level-of-visibility-for-shares | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/148853 | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | that's the main | 15:13 |
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| xyang2 | should some blueprint be renamed now? BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/single-svm-mode-for-generic-driver | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | xyang2: good point | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | does it matter? | 15:14 |
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| xyang2 | It adds confusion:) | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | I'm personally okay with leaving the name, but people looking back from the future might not understand what we meant | 15:14 |
| bswartz | what would be a better name? | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | we can not guarantee understanding in any case | 15:14 |
| bswartz | generic-driver-without-share-servers? | 15:15 |
| xyang2 | sounds good to me | 15:15 |
| bswartz | no-share-server-generic-driver? | 15:15 |
| ganso_ | maybe just match it with the current one so people know it is related | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I dunno | 15:15 |
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| nileshb | earlier is better | 15:15 |
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| nileshb | generic-driver-without-share-servers | 15:16 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: rename it if you wish | 15:16 |
| lpabon | imo, i think the paragraph describing the blueprint could be reworded. That would probably fix the issue | 15:16 |
| bswartz | yeah it's more important that the blueprint content makes sense than the blueprint name | 15:16 |
| bswartz | names are just arbitrary tags, but the content should actually be clear | 15:16 |
| xyang2 | at least explain in the blueprint and commit message what this means | 15:17 |
| bswartz | +1 | 15:17 |
| bswartz | okay moving on | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | #topic Manila Midcycle Meetup (virtual) | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | so many of you are probably aware of various midcycle meetups happening for different projects | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | most of them are actual physical meetups, and they're usually very awesome and productive | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | we talked about doing something similar with this team, but travel is difficult for many of us | 15:19 |
| * lpabon has been to one for Swift. Very cool | 15:19 | |
| bswartz | so I'm proposing that we do a virtual meetup | 15:19 |
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| markstur_ | +1 | 15:19 |
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| ganso_ | bswartz: +1 | 15:20 |
| lpabon | sounds good. Something like Google Hangouts? | 15:20 |
| chen | +1 | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | The format would be a google hangout open to everyone, with possibly a telephone bridge for bringing in more people with audio only | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | I'm thinking we would do a few 4-hours sessions across 2 or 3 days | 15:20 |
| marcusvrn_ | bswartz: +1 | 15:21 |
| bswartz | people could join all of them or some of them | 15:21 |
| xyang2 | there's a limit on number of people on google hangout, right? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | the main question is which days and which timeslots | 15:21 |
| bswartz | xyang2: with the free version the limit is 10 | 15:21 |
| lpabon | fyi, the Ceph team is very experienced in doing virtual meetups. If you need any help or feedback | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I think you can pay for a higher limit | 15:21 |
| lpabon | I may be able to use BlueJeans | 15:21 |
| lpabon | I think the limit there is 99 | 15:22 |
| lpabon | Its what Google uses in the background anyways :-) | 15:22 |
| jasonsb | is there possibility of meatspace meetup too? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | anyways, I'm thinking that UTC 1300-1700 is a timeslot that should work for most people | 15:22 |
| bswartz | if there anyone for whom that's a bad time? | 15:23 |
| markstur_ | very early for me in California | 15:23 |
| nileshb | little earlier would be better for India, China | 15:23 |
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| chen | very late in China | 15:23 |
| bswartz | yeah I was going to say that that time is terrible for california | 15:23 |
| bswartz | this is the main challenge with a virtual meetup -- whatever time you choose, someone is sleeping | 15:24 |
| markstur_ | yep | 15:24 |
| cknight | markstur_: you'd be welcome in NC for the event | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | we have whole world here =) | 15:24 |
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| lpabon | i always have issues matching california to India/China time. One of those will always have a hard time | 15:25 |
| bswartz | yeah we have several people in north carolina, and NetApp would be happy to host anyone who wants to join physically | 15:25 |
| markstur_ | I'd go to Hawaii, but that won't help. I suppose I could get up early a few days | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | We could do some sessions at different times to accommodate different groups | 15:25 |
| jasonsb | hawaii is nice idea | 15:26 |
| bswartz | but if there's not a time everyone can join then we lose some of the value | 15:26 |
| markstur_ | can it be recorded? | 15:26 |
| markstur_ | still loses value, but might help | 15:26 |
| lpabon | google supports recording to YouTube | 15:27 |
| bswartz | markstur_: probably, but who would want to sit through 4 hours of recorded audio? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | the value of a meetup is mostly when it's live | 15:27 |
| bswartz | we would definitely collect minutes on an etherpad for those who were unable to join | 15:27 |
| lpabon | fyi, the Ceph team records it, then marks each part of the session from a wiki, for those who want to watch it later. Each small session is about 30 mins | 15:27 |
| bswartz | interesting | 15:28 |
| xyang2 | lpabon: how long is their meetup? | 15:28 |
| bswartz | well time is running out during Kilo for this really to be a "mid-cycle" thing so I'd like to do it in the next 2-4 weeks | 15:28 |
| bswartz | next week is the cinder meetup and we don't want to conflict with that | 15:28 |
| lpabon | I don't exactly remember, but i think it is about 4 hours spread across two days.. let me find a link | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | I'm sensing that there's a lot of interest though, which is good | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-kilo-midcycle-meetup | 15:30 |
| bswartz | I just created this etherpad | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | To collect a list of people who are interested in joining | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz, maybe better write time slots? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | well | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | that are suitable | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I think we're just going to have to pick timeslots that are bad for the fewest number of people | 15:32 |
| nileshb | time-slots - converted to UTC | 15:32 |
| bswartz | my intuition is that morning eastern time is the best, excepting people in pacific timezone | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | for them we could do an afternoon session | 15:32 |
| lpabon | #link https://wiki.ceph.com/Planning/CDS/CDS_Giant_and_Hammer_(Jun_2014) | 15:33 |
| lpabon | Example of virtual summit | 15:33 |
| bswartz | hmm | 15:34 |
| bswartz | I think EST is actually UTC-5 not UTC-4 | 15:34 |
| * bswartz hates daylight savings time | 15:34 | |
| bswartz | how about dates | 15:35 |
| bswartz | I would lean towards a Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday | 15:35 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: I thought you took daylight savings into account:) | 15:35 |
| bswartz | maybe 2 days | 15:35 |
| bswartz | xyang2: I always get it backwards though | 15:35 |
| xyang2 | lpabon: that looks very well organized | 15:36 |
| bswartz | EST is UTC-5 and EDT is UTC-4 | 15:36 |
| lpabon | xyang2: Yeah, they really do a great job. | 15:36 |
| bswartz | wow | 15:36 |
| bswartz | yeah they have a planned agenda down to the 15 minutes | 15:37 |
| xyang2 | it is really a conference rather than just a meetup | 15:37 |
| lpabon | True, it is more like themes to discuss, each one with a lead | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | My main goals for the meetup would be to talk about changes targeted at K-3 and to answer questions, to try to expedite getting all the content merged | 15:38 |
| lpabon | most are 30m | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | we could have a bug squashing session | 15:38 |
| bswartz | perhaps some presenatations | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | anyways, expect to hear more from me | 15:39 |
| bswartz | I'll try to get a date time set ASAP so anyone interested in travelling can make arrangements | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | next topic | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | #topic Share manage/unmanage (redux) | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | so there was a lot of discussion on this topic last week | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | where we settled was that we will only implement share manage/unmanage for single_svm (driver_manages_share_servers=False) backends intially | 15:41 |
| bswartz | because that case is a lot more straightforward | 15:41 |
| bswartz | I still hope to someday have a way to manage/unmanage whole share_servers for multi_svm (driver_manages_share_servers=True) backends someday, but that's a much harder problem | 15:42 |
| bswartz | I just wanted to bring this back up for discussion in case anyone had strong feelings about this or questions | 15:42 |
| chen | implement share manage/unmanage for single_svm (driver_manages_share_servers=False) backends doesn't looks useful | 15:43 |
| chen | why would user wants that ? | 15:43 |
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| chen | driver_manages_share_servers=False already request admin prepare everything | 15:44 |
| chen | why not add these shares at do_setup in driver directly | 15:44 |
| chen | If I'm the admin, I would not like to add shares by hand one by one | 15:45 |
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| bswartz1 | I'm back | 15:45 |
| bswartz1 | sorry my connection dropped | 15:45 |
| ganso_ | chen: currently there is no way to register existing shares to a share server | 15:45 |
| markstur_ | chen, I'd want to be able to add a share (when not so many) | 15:46 |
| bswartz1 | the last I saw was chen's question | 15:46 |
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| u_glide | chen: with manage/unmanage admin can choose which to add (manage) and which to unmanage | 15:46 |
| ganso_ | chen: if adm is creating share server manually, he may want to register existing shares too | 15:46 |
| bswartz1 | chen: the use case is taking an existing NAS server and bringing it under the management of Manila | 15:46 |
| markstur_ | unmanage/manage is also what most apps would call export/import | 15:46 |
| markstur_ | so that is useful too | 15:46 |
| u_glide | without changing manila db manually | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | perhaps the BP for manage/unmanage needs to be more clear about the use case and how it works | 15:48 |
| u_glide | bswartz: I will update it | 15:48 |
| bswartz | chen: do you understand now? | 15:48 |
| chen | I understand the behavior | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I sort of assume that most of you are familiar with cinder and how manage/unmanage works for that project | 15:48 |
| chen | just not very useful for driver_manages_share_servers=False dirver | 15:49 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | chen: having the features is way better than not having the feature, and this is the easier case to implement | 15:49 |
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| chen | bswartz, ok. | 15:49 |
| bswartz | if someone wants to design a solution for the harder case, please do | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | #topic Manila image project | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | I put this on the agenda last week and we didn't get around to it | 15:50 |
| bswartz | I just wanted to call attention to the thread on the openstack-infra ML about this | 15:50 |
| bswartz | and thank csaba for driving it | 15:51 |
| bswartz | not many cycles have been spent on this because it hasn't been a high priority | 15:51 |
| csaba | bswartz: np | 15:51 |
| bswartz | I'm now curious if the project referenced in that thread will be any help to us at all | 15:52 |
| bswartz | diskimage-builder | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I certainly hate duplicating work | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | but I worry that the goals of diskimage-builder don't match with what we're trying to achieve | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | maybe we'll get to that in kilo-4.... | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | heh | 15:53 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | okay anyone have something else? | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | if not, go update your blueprints in LP right now | 15:54 |
| csaba | bswartz: I'd have liked to answer to image project topic once you finish with the lead-up but you switched topic right after lead-up ") | 15:54 |
| bswartz | csaba: go ahead | 15:55 |
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| csaba | so just links FYI #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-January/002319.html original post | 15:55 |
| csaba | #link http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.infrastructure/2308 gmane whole thread | 15:55 |
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| csaba | so basic problem here was not technical but legal -- what licensing considerations would the project face? | 15:56 |
| csaba | and answer to that seems to be: basically none | 15:56 |
| csaba | ie. there is no APLv2 enforcement on stackforge | 15:56 |
| bswartz | yeah it sounds like everyone is okay with us using the GPL license for that project as long as it's not destined for defcore | 15:57 |
| csaba | we can go with any FLOSS license | 15:57 |
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| csaba | that was just something to clear beyond getting to make technical decisions | 15:57 |
| csaba | and that goal was reached, I feel | 15:57 |
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| csaba | s/beyond/before/ | 15:57 |
| csaba | that's my summary | 15:58 |
| bswartz | alright I think that's it for today | 15:58 |
| bswartz | thanks csaba | 15:58 |
| bswartz | reminder to sign up on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-kilo-midcycle-meetup so I can make some plans | 15:59 |
| bswartz | I'll follow up on the ML for midcycle meetup stuff so we don't have to wait until next week | 15:59 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 22 15:59:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-01-22-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-01-22-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-01-22-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| kozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 22 16:01:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | #chair kozhukalov | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov | 16:01 |
| Guest12691 | Hi | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | hi everyone | 16:01 |
| mkwiek | hello | 16:01 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:01 |
| dshulyak | hi | 16:01 |
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| seeg | \o | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | agenda as usual | 16:01 |
| IvanKliuk | hi | 16:02 |
| agordeev | hi | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:02 |
| prmtl | o/ | 16:02 |
| akasatkin | hi | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | #topic granular deployment (dshulyak) | 16:02 |
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| Guest12691 | Guest12691 is docaedo, nick issues this morning :( | 16:02 |
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| dshulyak | as you know we merged mvp that is required for library modularization, | 16:02 |
| dshulyak | and that process is already started, i know that Alex D is able to provide more | 16:02 |
| dshulyak | details | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | Guest12691: ok, got that | 16:03 |
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| dshulyak | next step is to provide api for partial deployment, all patches for this | 16:03 |
| dshulyak | stuff is on review already, and we are currently testing it | 16:03 |
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| dshulyak | also we have all necessery stuff to easily plug tasks for pre/post stages, this | 16:03 |
| dshulyak | patches also on review, and ofcourse there is ongoing process of moving pre/post tasks from astute to library | 16:03 |
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| dshulyak | well, and warpc is working on plugable reboot task, but this is another story | 16:04 |
| dshulyak | any questions guys? | 16:04 |
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| kozhukalov | dshulyak: great to read that | 16:04 |
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| dshulyak | it looks i started to early) | 16:05 |
| kozhukalov | dshulyak: you started in time | 16:05 |
| seeg | do we really need tasks like apt-get update, yum update, yum clean, etc? can't one just say 'puppet install latest package of this' and update will be made automatically? | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | everyone is reading what you just write | 16:06 |
| mihgen | hi guys, I'm a bit late | 16:06 |
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| barthalion | dshulyak: we're late, not the other way | 16:06 |
| mihgen | did we start meeting or not? | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: we did | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: meeting is going on | 16:07 |
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| kozhukalov | topic is granular deployment | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | ok, looks like we in time with this feature by 6.1 | 16:07 |
| angdraug | so what about seeg's question? | 16:07 |
| dshulyak | seeg: what if package will be required in pre deployment? | 16:07 |
| dshulyak | so basically your sugestion is to do same stuff implicitly by puppet | 16:08 |
| dshulyak | also we may want to know is repo valid right after we uploaded it | 16:08 |
| kozhukalov | dshulyak: are we planning to have network configuration as a separate stage? | 16:08 |
| dshulyak | kozhukalov: we already have it as separate task | 16:09 |
| dshulyak | kozhukalov: https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-library/blob/master/deployment/puppet/osnailyfacter/modular/tasks.yaml#L1 | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | and even more, i'm interested in this feature in the context of IBP | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | currently we use cloud-init as our initial configuration tool | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | can we somehow use puppet instead of cloud-init | 16:10 |
| kozhukalov | and is it possible to create a separate granular stage for that | 16:10 |
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| kozhukalov | so that it is not connected to any task which we currently track? | 16:11 |
| evgeniyl___ | kozhukalov: it looks like another task in pre_deployment stage | 16:11 |
| dshulyak | kozhukalov: evgeniyl___: i would say that we can refactor provisioning to use task api, or even merge provisioning into pre_deployment stage | 16:12 |
| kozhukalov | evgeniyl___: yes but i wonder if it is possible to deal with that pre-deployment stage in terms of granular deployment | 16:12 |
| kozhukalov | for example we put astute.yaml into /etc/astute.yaml during provisioning and before first reboot | 16:12 |
| kozhukalov | dshulyak: ok, let's move this discussion to ML | 16:13 |
| kozhukalov | that would be great if it was possible | 16:13 |
| kozhukalov | ok moving on | 16:13 |
| dshulyak | i dont see any problems, we need to decide how to do it properly and this is it | 16:13 |
| kozhukalov | #topic 200 nodes and image-based provisioning (vkozhukalov) | 16:14 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, just to make sure everyone is aware | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | it is an official decision to make IBP production ready by 6.1 | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | and it is to be a default provisioning option | 16:15 |
| xarses | \o/ | 16:15 |
| xarses | yay | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | we have tried it on 100 nodes scale lab and it works pretty well | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | it looks like 200 nodes is not a problem | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | besides IBP gonna solve some important issues | 16:16 |
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| kozhukalov | so it sounds rational to have it as our default provision method | 16:16 |
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| kozhukalov | is anyone from scale team around? | 16:16 |
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| dshulyak | kozhukalov: how long does it take to provision 200 nodes on scale lab? | 16:17 |
| kozhukalov | provisioning itself take about 2 minutes on 100 nodes lab | 16:17 |
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| kozhukalov | + reboot takes around 3-4 minues | 16:17 |
| angdraug | compared to 20 minutes for traditional provisioning? | 16:18 |
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| kozhukalov | we also have some suboptimal code when we reboot nodes | 16:18 |
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| kozhukalov | we reboot them one by one, one per second | 16:19 |
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| kozhukalov | so when it is just 5 nodes, it is not a big deal | 16:19 |
| kozhukalov | but when you have 200 nodes it gonna take 200 seconds | 16:19 |
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| kozhukalov | so it is just the place where we can improve our system | 16:20 |
| angdraug | what about not rebooting them at all? | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: actually traditional provisioning works pretty well too | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | it takes around 11 minutes (including 2 reboots) | 16:20 |
| angdraug | so overall it's 6 minutes vs 11? | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | and it looks like 200 nodes for traditional provisioning is also not a problem | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: yes, exactly | 16:21 |
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| agordeev | kozhukalov: looks like you are going to cover IBP status. I have something to add. or should i do it separetely? | 16:22 |
| mattymo | we increased a lot of timeouts in traditional installers back in 6.0, so that it didn't flip out so much. But with suboptimal networking, it could hang for some time in the beginning | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: about not rebooting, it really sounds interesting, it was xarses's idea, but i have not tried it yet | 16:22 |
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| xarses | pivot root would be interesting | 16:23 |
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| kozhukalov | agordeev: ok, i just would like all fuelers be aware that IBP in our scope for 6.1 and a default one | 16:23 |
| xarses | i thought we had cobbler only booting nodes in chunks of 20 so that it's not overloaded | 16:23 |
| xarses | that was something that the scale lab came up with to get to 100 nodes | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: according to what i've seen in logs it is not true | 16:24 |
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| kozhukalov | nodes are rebooted one by one | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | ok, moving on | 16:25 |
| xarses | hmm ok | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | let me change the order of our topics | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | #topic image based provisioning (agordeev) | 16:25 |
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| mattymo | xarses, 1 at a time because of timeouts and failures to download preseed file. We hacked debian-installer to retry 10 times insteadof just 1 | 16:25 |
| mattymo | sorry for interrupting | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | agordeev: please go ahead | 16:25 |
| agordeev | 2 new blueprint were approved and targeted to 6.1 as high | 16:26 |
| agordeev | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/build-ubuntu-images-on-masternode | 16:26 |
| agordeev | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-agent-improved | 16:26 |
| agordeev | the next step is to prerare the specs for it | 16:26 |
| agordeev | good news: IBP had been switched to automatic build tests. So new bugs will possibly appear more frequent. | 16:26 |
| agordeev | regarding bugs: still few on review, most of high were merged to master and waiting to be backported to 6.0.1 | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | agordeev: we are looking forward for specs | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | and next week we are planning to give a talk about IBP mostly for scale team | 16:27 |
| kozhukalov | agordeev: are you done? | 16:27 |
| agordeev | kozhukalov: yes, i'm done, have nothing to add | 16:28 |
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| mihgen | folks did we discuss that we want ibp be default and run against 200 nodes | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | ok, if there are no any other q, let's move on | 16:28 |
| angdraug | I don't like when we put words like "improve" in blueprint names | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: yes | 16:28 |
| mihgen | good | 16:28 |
| agordeev | angdraug: what is the better word for that? | 16:29 |
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| angdraug | be more specific | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: it will be highly defined in the spec what it means "improve" | 16:29 |
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| angdraug | if you don't yet know what you're going to improve, why create BP at all? | 16:29 |
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| angdraug | if it's just bugfixing, shouldn't be a BP | 16:30 |
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| kozhukalov | angdraug: the word improve is used because we have 2 particular improvements | 16:30 |
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| angdraug | should be 2 separate BP's | 16:30 |
| angdraug | we've had that with pacemaker-improvement BP before | 16:30 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: we want it to be able to reconnect when disconnected and we want it to compare checksums of images | 16:30 |
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| angdraug | so, ibp-reconnect and ibp-image-checksums | 16:31 |
| xarses | angdraug: +1 | 16:31 |
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| xarses | openended BP's are never finished | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | maybe we'll split, but for me it looks ok, because planned improvements are pretty small | 16:31 |
| angdraug | please split, you already plan to have separate specs for those two, no? | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | ok, let's make three then | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | agordeev: will you? | 16:32 |
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| agordeev | yes, i'll do separete BP's. thanks for suggestions | 16:32 |
| angdraug | thanks | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | #action agordeev splits IBP improvement BP into two separate BPs | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | moving on | 16:33 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic Empty role (evgeniyl) | 16:33 |
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| evgeniyl___ | We’ve tested and merged the feature, also we’ve fixed a bug with progress bar which was related to Granular deployment. | 16:33 |
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| evgeniyl___ | QA team started to work on tests for this role. | 16:33 |
| evgeniyl___ | Also Meg is going to update the docs, I provided all required information. | 16:33 |
| xarses | it's base-os role, not empty role | 16:34 |
| evgeniyl___ | Now, user can assign Operating System role to node, and no additional configuration will be performed | 16:34 |
| evgeniyl___ | xarses: yes, we had different name for this role | 16:35 |
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| evgeniyl___ | That is all. | 16:35 |
| evgeniyl___ | Any questions? | 16:35 |
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| kozhukalov | looks like, no one has | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | evgeniyl___: thanx | 16:37 |
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| kozhukalov | great to read that we have progress here | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | moving on | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | #topic downloadable ubuntu release (ikalnitsky) | 16:37 |
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| ikalnitsky | We had a hot discussion about implementation details this week. | 16:37 |
| ikalnitsky | You can see them in the spec: | 16:37 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147838/1/ | 16:37 |
| ikalnitsky | Well, we all agreed to use Nailgun for uploading iso and creating tasks, while Astute would be used for repo extraction. | 16:37 |
| ikalnitsky | Also, we need to research Nginx capabilities for uploading files. It looks like we can do not block Nailgun worker until file uploaded. | 16:37 |
| ikalnitsky | The most important questions about design are resolved, so I think we can start implementation since tomorrow. | 16:38 |
| ikalnitsky | Questions? | 16:38 |
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| kozhukalov | you are really good at typing ) | 16:38 |
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| ikalnitsky | yes, i'm )) | 16:38 |
| xarses | tanks for pre-typing ikalnitsky | 16:38 |
| barthalion | there is no support for uploading in upstream nginx iirc | 16:38 |
| xarses | it helps move the meeting along | 16:38 |
| barthalion | so we will probably end up with external module, unless there is some black magician around | 16:39 |
| ikalnitsky | barthalion: what is nginx iirc? | 16:39 |
| xarses | barthalion: my understanding is that ngnix has problems with large files, and we will need to switch to a fork | 16:39 |
| xarses | rmoe knows about it well | 16:39 |
| angdraug | ikalnitsky: iirc = if i remember correctly | 16:39 |
| barthalion | ikalnitsky: iirc == if I remember correctly | 16:39 |
| ikalnitsky | thank you guys) | 16:39 |
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| xarses | ikalnitsky: talk with rmoe regarding ngnix uploads | 16:40 |
| ikalnitsky | xarses: ok | 16:40 |
| kozhukalov | ok, guys how do you think is it ok, when user waits for 1 minute to upload an iso , but then it is not the end, it is just means additional task is started. | 16:41 |
| xarses | #link https://dmsimard.com/2014/06/21/a-use-case-of-tengine-a-drop-in-replacement-and-fork-of-nginx/ | 16:41 |
| xarses | ikalnitsky: ^ | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | xarses: thanks | 16:41 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: we should have feedback that its working | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | kozhukalov: good question, actually | 16:41 |
| kozhukalov | we had a discussion about UX in spec but maybe there are other opinions | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | should fuel cli wait until uploading task and repo extraction get ready? | 16:42 |
| xarses | maybe use notification area in UI | 16:42 |
| xarses | ikalnitsky: yes, and no | 16:42 |
| ikalnitsky | xarses: notification is good, but it's about UI. and we're interested in fuelclie | 16:42 |
| evgeniyl___ | ikalnitsky: if request uploads something, there is no way not to block request | 16:43 |
| xarses | correct, they should get task id back | 16:43 |
| xarses | and if they want to wait, they should attach to monitor the task | 16:43 |
| xarses | so you get both | 16:43 |
| barthalion | "With nginx, the upload took 1 minute 13 seconds. With Tengine, the upload took 41 seconds." sounds like microoptimization | 16:43 |
| ikalnitsky | xarses: when we upload iso there's no way to do this way. it will be performed by pure http. | 16:44 |
| evgeniyl___ | xarses: how are you going to return task id, if you upload the file? | 16:44 |
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| evgeniyl___ | xarses: you perform post request with a huge body, and you should complete uploading to get something from the server | 16:44 |
| kozhukalov | please guys have a look at the spec and give your opinion, we have some arguments "for" and "against" | 16:45 |
| xarses | correct, i was talking about while astute is running in the background | 16:45 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, let's move on and leave this discussion for the spec and ML | 16:45 |
| xarses | for the upload I'm not sure if it matters if you have progress or not, openstack clients dont | 16:45 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Multi-HV support (adanin) | 16:46 |
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| adanin | We are going to implement two hypervisors in one environment. They are KVM (or QEMU) and VMware vCenter. | 16:46 |
| adanin | Both of them will have their own Cinder backend and will be placed into different Availability Zones. | 16:46 |
| adanin | It'll be done to avoid attaching volumes with unsupported type to a hypervisor. | 16:46 |
| adanin | A new role "cinder-vmdk" will be added. New vCenter-specific OSTF tests will be added. A new UI tab with vCenter settings will be added. | 16:46 |
| adanin | We still not decided which network backend will be used: nova-network or Neutron with non-upstream ML2 DVS plugin. | 16:46 |
| adanin | Links to blueprints: | 16:46 |
| adanin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/vmware-ui-settings | 16:46 |
| adanin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/cinder-vmdk-role | 16:46 |
| adanin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/vmware-dual-hypervisor | 16:46 |
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| adanin | Questions? | 16:47 |
| angdraug | why new cinder-vmdk role? | 16:47 |
| angdraug | can it need a dedicated node? | 16:47 |
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| xarses | adanin: cant we run multiple hypervisors if we just move the compute tasks around and get multi-hv for all types? | 16:47 |
| xarses | also, cinder-vmdk role? | 16:48 |
| adanin | To allow a user place cinder-volume service to a node he wants. | 16:48 |
| xarses | run it on the controllers like ceph | 16:48 |
| xarses | that would be a task descision, not role | 16:48 |
| xarses | I already had to unbreak a cinder-vmdk deployment because it's not automatic | 16:49 |
| xarses | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1410517 | 16:49 |
| adanin | xarses: cinder-volume in this case is just a proxy. I don’t think it’s a good idea to put it on Controller node. It will increase IO for the node. | 16:49 |
| angdraug | what about multiple cinder backends? | 16:49 |
| angdraug | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-cinder-multi-backend | 16:49 |
| angdraug | adanin: is cinder-volume in the data path? | 16:50 |
| adanin | with new role a user will be able to place this service to whatever node he wants. | 16:50 |
| xarses | again, cinder-vmkd volume service should be a task, not a role | 16:50 |
| adanin | multi-backend is not applicable in that case. | 16:50 |
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| adanin | xarses: and how a user choose a particular node to run this task? | 16:51 |
| angdraug | choose a backend | 16:52 |
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| xarses | granular deployments is getting us there | 16:52 |
| angdraug | once again, why does it have to be a particular node, is it in the data path? | 16:53 |
| angdraug | and what about HA for that service? | 16:53 |
| adanin | angdraug: xarses: a user will have two Cinder backends simultaneously - one for KVM and another for vCenter. There is no way to use VMDK for KVM and vise versa. | 16:53 |
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| xarses | adanin: correct | 16:54 |
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| adanin | angdraug: HA - assign cinder-vmdk role to two or more nodes. Each node will have identical settings for cinder-volume service. | 16:55 |
| xarses | adanin: please lets review this offline, probably as seperate meeting | 16:55 |
| kozhukalov | 5 minutes | 16:55 |
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| adanin | Like we do it for Ceph now. | 16:55 |
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| adanin | I’m going to advertice it in ML. | 16:55 |
| kozhukalov | adanin: thanx | 16:55 |
| kozhukalov | we have nothing more to discuss | 16:56 |
| angdraug | open discussion? | 16:56 |
| kozhukalov | 3 minutes | 16:56 |
| kozhukalov | does it make sense? | 16:56 |
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| kozhukalov | any announcements? | 16:57 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, closing then | 16:57 |
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| kozhukalov | thanx everyone | 16:57 |
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| kozhukalov | great meeting | 16:57 |
| adanin | thank you guys | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-01-22-16.01.html | 16:57 |
| barthalion | o/ | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-01-22-16.01.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-01-22-16.01.log.html | 16:57 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey all | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | Should we get started :) | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting openstack security group | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 22 17:03:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack security group)" | 17:03 | |
| sicarie | hello! | 17:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Yay, topic changed this time too | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | :) | 17:03 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:03 |
| ljfisher | made it finally :) | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | wassup ljfisher | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | ljfisher: yo! | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | so rollcall I guess, any other lurkers? | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:04 |
| ukbelch | o/ | 17:04 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:04 |
| shohel02 | o/ | 17:04 |
| sarnold007 | o/ | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | \o\ | 17:04 |
| bpb_ | o/ | 17:05 |
| ljfisher | o/ | 17:05 |
| sicarie | o/ | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | woot! | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | So I can’t believe how quickly a week has gone by, agenda items? | 17:05 |
| redrobot | o/ | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | bandit update | 17:05 |
| ukbelch | etherpad link | 17:05 |
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| elmiko | data processing sec guide update | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | hey redrobot ! | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Ok lets crack on then :) | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:06 |
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| tkelsey | maybe Barbican MKEK spec could be interesting to a few? | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | ok, so I'm still looking into the requirement checking gate job | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | tkelsey: +1 | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | it's unclear whether the "python-jobs" gate we already have in place is what they are looking for | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | most in openstack-infra are away this week | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | yeah tmcpeak, I noticed that was not behaving :( | 17:07 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei heya! | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | anyway, once that's done we can push to requirements, which I double checked, we will need to use in gates | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson might be able to help? He seems to know most things about most things | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: yeah, I'm not sure if it's good enough for what they want | 17:07 |
| bknudson | you will need help from -infra | 17:07 |
| bknudson | when they're around they seem to get things done quickly | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | yep, I reached out to them last week and had some discussion around it, just have a few more things to clear up | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | I'm going to keep working that this week | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | yeah infra are cool :) good luck tmcpeak | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Is there anything we can do to help or any other areas where Bandit needs work? | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | we were going to write up that spec | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | I think sarnold was looking at that | 17:09 |
| sarnold007 | i am working on the spec now | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:09 |
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| tmcpeak | on a side note, I went to OWASP bay area last night | 17:09 |
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| sarnold007 | got a bit sidetracked with some other stuff that came down the pike this week | 17:09 |
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| bknudson | does owasp still put out a top 10? | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | chatted with one of the sec guys from Netflix, who also was the one to file the first Bandit bug | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | cool guy | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: I think so… they also have local chapter meetups which are fun. Good place to drink beer and chat security | 17:10 |
| bknudson | here's 2013: https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Top_10_2013-Top_10 | 17:10 |
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| bknudson | it's always the same problems. | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | shocking really | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool, any more on Bandit? | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | nope, that's it for this week | 17:10 |
| ljfisher | so I got two additions to the blacklist for yaml.load and urlopen. Got through the whole contrib process. | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Sweet | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | hopefully progress by next week | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | ljfisher | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | nice ljfisher | 17:11 |
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| ljfisher | Working on fully qualified names in shape for review. | 17:11 |
| ljfisher | needs some tests still | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | ok, I’m pretty sure that my kitchen is on fire. Here’s tkelsey to talk to you about MKEKs :) | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Barbican KMIP/MKEK | 17:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barbican KMIP/MKEK (Meeting topic: openstack security group)" | 17:11 | |
| tkelsey | right lol | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | so i pushed this spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148948/ | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | oh cool, will check it out | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | it details a proposed system for storing encryption keys in the local Barbican database, and so avoiding any scaling problems from HSM storage restrictions | 17:12 |
| bpb_ | will look also | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | awesomem thanks bpb_ tmcpeak :) | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Nice work tkelsey | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | I’m hoping to actually get some code written for that :) | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Also turns out you can have smoke without fire... | 17:14 |
| tkelsey | lol, glad your not on fire hyakuhei :P | 17:14 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Data Processing in Sec Guide | 17:14 |
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| tkelsey | yeah, so hyakuhei and myself will be working through the code for an MKEK plugin once the speck lands :) | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko ? | 17:15 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-security-guide-notes | 17:15 |
| elmiko | cool, thanks | 17:15 |
| elmiko | so that pad has the current work i've been putting together | 17:15 |
| elmiko | always looking for more input =) | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | That’s a decent amount of content :) | 17:15 |
| elmiko | also we have come across a few questions in terms of the boundaries we have for the chapter | 17:15 |
| elmiko | i'm giving it my best =) | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | Anyone want to take an action to review? | 17:15 |
| sicarie | o/ | 17:16 |
| elmiko | sicarie: thanks! | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | I'll review | 17:16 |
| sicarie | np - already have been glancing through it :) | 17:16 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: cool | 17:16 |
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| elmiko | 2 big questions are coming up from the sahara team though | 17:16 |
| elmiko | 1. compliance, how does this affect data processing, also what does compliance mean with respect the project? | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Many ways, depends which standard you’re looking at though | 17:17 |
| elmiko | 2. boundaries, because data processing includes things like hadoop, we are having trouble deciding where to draw the line about suggesting advice | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Compliance regs in general are horrible to apply to multi-tenant systems | 17:17 |
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| elmiko | bdpayne had brought up this question on the pad, maybe i need to ping him directly | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | 2 is potetially easier, though might be something better to white-board at the summit | 17:18 |
| elmiko | yea, we are kinda scratching our heads about compliance | 17:18 |
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| elmiko | i'm hoping to get a version of this chapter in for kilo | 17:18 |
| elmiko | it's just difficult to draw the line for how much advice we can give an operator who is installing data processing and wants to secure the hadoop side of things. | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | ok | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | elmiko: maybe we can setup a google hangout or something for next week? | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: how should I review this? | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Anyone else interested in helping out? | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | just add comments on the right? | 17:19 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: sounds good | 17:19 |
| shohel02 | elmiko: can you elaborate on compliance ... against any specific one | 17:19 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: yea, inline comments are welcome | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:19 |
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| elmiko | shohel02: it was something that bdpayne mentioned on the pad but didn't get further than just mentioning compliance | 17:20 |
| dg_ | hyakuhei im interested for next week | 17:20 |
| elmiko | shohel02: i think i need to ask him a few more questions | 17:20 |
| shohel02 | sure. | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | ok, elmiko can you send a mail to the OSSG list after this meeting and we’ll see if we can find a time that works? | 17:20 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: awesome, will do | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, we’ve blasted through the agenda :) | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | #topic any other business | 17:21 |
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| sicarie | mid-cycle? | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ossg-kilo-meetup | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Most the info should be there | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Everyone got their travel sorted? | 17:21 |
| ljfisher | just ahve to find a place to stay | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | sorted | 17:23 |
| bknudson | is there still room for attendees? | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: for sure! | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | you coming? | 17:23 |
| bknudson | I'll ask and see if I can get approval. | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:24 |
| bknudson | might be easier with an agenda posted. | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | looks like we have a good selection of things we want to work on, but in case anybody else has ideas or hasn't indicated interest yet, please do so | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | It would be great if you could come | 17:24 |
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| hyakuhei | Any more for any more ? | 17:25 |
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| ukbelch | I see someone updated me on the pad. Thanks. | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:26 |
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| ukbelch | looking forward to meeting everyone in person :) | 17:26 |
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| ukbelch | (my team included heh) | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | ukbelch: +1 | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Sweet | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 22 17:28:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks all | 17:28 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2015/openstack_security_group.2015-01-22-17.03.html | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | later! | 17:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2015/openstack_security_group.2015-01-22-17.03.txt | 17:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2015/openstack_security_group.2015-01-22-17.03.log.html | 17:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks, ping | 18:00 |
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| huichun | hi | 18:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 22 18:00:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| weiting | Hi | 18:00 |
| elmiko | yo/ | 18:01 |
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| alazarev | o/ | 18:01 |
| tmckay | hello | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's start | 18:02 |
| jodah | yo | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertssh, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, * | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | Here's the list of open sahara-horizon reviews: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | I don't think I've seen much change since last week. | 18:02 |
| ylobankov | hello | 18:03 |
| alazarev | my horizon patches are still on review, no much progress | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, thanks! | 18:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | yes, looks like all the changes are where they were a week ago | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh :( | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:03 | |
| crobertsrh | I will try to rattle the chains of the horizon people at their next meeting. | 18:04 |
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| tosky | can we talk about the proposed blueprint for dynamic integration tests and the two proposed reviews about the same topic? | 18:05 |
| egafford | Hello | 18:05 |
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| elmiko | continuing work on the security chapter, i've got good engagement with the OSSG adn things are moving along. investigating possible barbican usage within sahara. also put a bug fix and following several reviews. | 18:05 |
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| alazarev | I was busy with multithreading for sahara engine, don't know why, but it interfere with sqlalchemy, for now I'm ready to give up | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything else? | 18:08 |
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| weiting | we are working on adding service test in cdh-plugin | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, let's discuss it a bit later | 18:08 |
| tosky | sure | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, I mean after defined topic | 18:08 |
| weiting | And ken is working working on cdh version management. | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | weiting, cool | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we're waiting for the version management :) | 18:09 |
| weiting | Yes, we will update it ASAP. | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Kilo release schedule | 18:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo release schedule (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:10 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 18:10 |
| tmckay | oops, I missed updates :) | 18:10 |
| * SergeyLukjanov just wants to be sure that everyone now dates | 18:11 | |
| tmckay | In open discussion I'll ask for reviews :) | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any questions re schedule? | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, okay :) | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Bug / doc / spec days | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | IMO bug triage was awesome | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks folks | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and remember about bug fix day next monday | 18:12 |
| elmiko | still a few undecideds out there, but we'll get em =) | 18:12 |
| tmckay | some of the DIB and cluster launch bugs took a long time to check :) | 18:13 |
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| elmiko | yea... | 18:13 |
| tmckay | looong time | 18:13 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, we might want to do another set of triage/fix later in the cycle, depending on how many "news" we still have | 18:14 |
| alazarev | also there is a number of HDP bugs, and no one fixes them... | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yup, agree | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, you could volunteer to fix them | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's move on | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | on tosky request | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic "New integration tests for sahara" https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147219/ | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, I presume you have questions? | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, or just want to -2 it? :) | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hm | 18:16 |
| elmiko | i think he had issue with how complex the code generation part was getting | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm adding this topic to the next meeting too, because I think it should be good discussed | 18:16 |
| elmiko | it started off as a simple template, but now that template is growing | 18:17 |
| tosky | well, not -2, questions before going with votes | 18:17 |
| elmiko | i also have a meta issue with this process | 18:17 |
| elmiko | we have way too many reviews going up before the specs are merged | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, IMO it's not an issue if we'll cover it with unit tests | 18:17 |
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| tosky | first question is the one from elmiko, about the growing hidden complexity of the template | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, IMO it'll be pretty static code | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, it's ok to have reviews for not approved specs | 18:18 |
| tosky | do you think that the template coming from the second review is generic enough that it will be quite stable? | 18:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, we should just be sure that we aren't merging them | 18:18 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ok, i'll hold off on -2 unless they are about to merge | 18:18 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: my worry is that people are implementing things before we finish debate on the specs, sometimes... | 18:18 |
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| tosky | but at least please update the specs so that they match the code, which changed a bit if I see it correctly | 18:18 |
| elmiko | tosky: +1 | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, I have some ideas on adding complex features like if you specified two images than two test cases will be created | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, code could be not in sync, it's marked work in progress I think | 18:19 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: I fear that the spec need more investigation on the complex cases | 18:19 |
| elmiko | i have the same fear as tosky ;) | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, my PoV is to start with the simple case and than add some complexity if it'll be really useful | 18:20 |
| tosky | ok, code not in sync, but they are connected | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I have a bit different fear - current integration tests | 18:21 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: also a valid fear | 18:21 |
| tosky | yes, I'm from going on and refactoring, but I always fear, in such a cases, that a some constraint in the initial phase could make difficult to change things later | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | they are extremely boilerplated | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | let's try to split the question | 18:21 |
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| tosky | I totally agree with the idea behind the change, as I wrote | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the first is "does everybody agree that we need new new testing framework?" | 18:22 |
| tosky | yes | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the second is "does everyone agree that it should be flexible and very configurable?" | 18:22 |
| tosky | yes again | 18:22 |
| elmiko | yes and yes | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and the third is "wtf it should be?" | 18:23 |
| tosky | the first two points are not in discussion here; it's about the implementation | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ack | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I just would like to be sure that you're agree with base part | 18:23 |
| tosky | which should be good enough to not need a refactoring at the next cycle | 18:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | yeah | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | personally I prefer to have a very complex yaml -> test case transformer | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | covered by tests | 18:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | that'll support jobs and etc. definitions | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | that'll support several yaml files | 18:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | that'll support auto gen for array values | 18:25 |
| tosky | I personally agree too with having an engine with parses the code, the things I'm not sure are something later | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'd like to support features like "images: cdh-fedora, cdh-ubuntu, cdh-windows" | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, could you please add more details? | 18:25 |
| tosky | for example: why writing down the test class with a template, instead of creating the test classes in memory with metaprogramming? Because reporting will show results always from the "runner" class? | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, because we're using discover + testr | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | discover searches through the python file directories | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and generates list of test that should be executed | 18:28 |
| tosky | ok, limitation of the tool, ack | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, yeah | 18:28 |
| tosky | or design of the tool, whatever :) | 18:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, yup | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and we're really like to avoid creating new tools for running tests ;) | 18:28 |
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| tosky | sure, sure | 18:28 |
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| tosky | oki, then I have some question about the way the code is going; for example, the reviews show json instead of yaml and a draft of composed files (something I asked on the spec), but the state of both things (spec and code reviews) work in progress but not in sync confused me a bit | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, sorry about this | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, I'd like to use yaml parser | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and if user's prefer to use json they could | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | because json is a subset of yaml | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll ask sreshetnyak to update spec to the actual state | 18:31 |
| elmiko | cool | 18:31 |
| tosky | oki, the question about the complexity: the second revision of the testcase.py.mako shows already a more general (with dynamic testcases) but some "if" (special cases) | 18:32 |
| tosky | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148935/1/sahara/tests/scenario/testcase.py.mako | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | spec should be the main source of answers | 18:32 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 18:32 |
| tosky | so I fear again that, if this the direction, this could not be generic enough, and we would need many template | 18:32 |
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| tosky | which could be fine, but it's something I would like to see in the spec | 18:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 18:33 |
| tosky | or, on the other side, the idea is to have a really generic template with some trick and parameters | 18:33 |
| tosky | that's it :) | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, ^^ | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO template is only a view | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and ready data should be passed to it | 18:33 |
| tosky | it's also to avoid more work for sreshetnyak and ylobankov , as they won't need to refactor more and more | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and no conditions on the view side | 18:33 |
| elmiko | i'm +1 for templates without logic embedded | 18:34 |
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| tosky | yep | 18:34 |
| * SergeyLukjanov likes mvc, mvvm, etc. so I hate business logic in view | 18:34 | |
| sreshetnyak | hello | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, please, read notes in meeting minutes :) | 18:35 |
| sreshetnyak | okay :) | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, elmiko anything else on it? | 18:35 |
| elmiko | nothing from me | 18:36 |
| tosky | I think it's all from my side, thanks again | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, re this new framework | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | my dream is to run sahara-ci using it | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | make acceptance testing of milestones | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and deprecate current tests | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | nice dream =) | 18:37 |
| tosky | but doable | 18:37 |
| elmiko | agreed | 18:37 |
| alazarev | +1 | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for me there are two levels of feature parity - first one is to replace tests for sahara-ci | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the second is the full feature parity with current tests | 18:37 |
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| tosky | sounds like a plan | 18:39 |
| elmiko | that would be really cool | 18:39 |
| tmckay | +1, the current tests vary widely depending on when and who implemented them | 18:39 |
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| crobertsrh | +1 from me. Sounds like a good plan. | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, nice to see only +1s ;) | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, will update the spec tomorrow to the actual state and probably we need to land it if everyone will ok with it | 18:42 |
| elmiko | ack | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything else on it? | 18:42 |
| sreshetnyak | SergeyLukjanov, yes, need to update spec | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:43 |
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| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-security-guide-notes | 18:43 |
| elmiko | still looking for more feedback | 18:43 |
| elmiko | there are some questions as well about how much we should recommend | 18:44 |
| elmiko | with regards to hadoop and security | 18:44 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146659/ | 18:44 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147949/ | 18:44 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147955/ | 18:44 |
| tmckay | swift - spark integration, almost done, please reveiw :) | 18:44 |
| tmckay | I had it dependent on the Java Oozie compat stuff but I split it off | 18:44 |
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| tmckay | last question: what do do about jackson jar? 1) update CDH, hopefully that fixes it 2) add jackson jar to sahara images as an element (host with the hadoop-swift.jar 3) carry it as resource in Sahara and upload until we have it fixed | 18:45 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: so on the 147955 review, why -2? | 18:45 |
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| tmckay | oh, elmiko, because I wrote the code before the spec :) | 18:46 |
| tmckay | I am bad. I forgot | 18:46 |
| elmiko | ahh ok | 18:46 |
| * elmiko wants to learn the rules better | 18:46 | |
| tmckay | that's why we need the reviews | 18:46 |
| elmiko | ack | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we need a bit more active reviews of specs | 18:47 |
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| tmckay | what do you all think about the jackson jar issue? I don't want to modify the spark assembly by hand, so depending on the particular package, we might have to carry patch jars | 18:47 |
| * crobertsrh has been slacking on spec reviews | 18:47 | |
| tmckay | is that okay in general, do you think? | 18:47 |
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| tmckay | ack, I have been slow on reviews in 2015, that will change ASAP. Today :) | 18:48 |
| tmckay | so the spark assembly pulls in a version of a class that conflicts with the hadoop-swift impl. This could happen again. | 18:49 |
| tmckay | I am fine with adding jars to the mirantis hosted stuff and adding elements as needed | 18:50 |
| elmiko | ooph | 18:50 |
| tmckay | for spark, we can mess with the classpath on the nodes, no problem | 18:50 |
| tmckay | but I want to know if you all think I am crazy :) | 18:51 |
| elmiko | it seems like patch jars might be worst-best solution :/ | 18:51 |
| elmiko | or would that be best-worst? lol | 18:51 |
| tmckay | don't know. Like I said, if CDH 5 fixes it, all gone. But it might not. | 18:52 |
| elmiko | well, and what about getting spark into other images? | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 8 mins left | 18:52 |
| tmckay | other possibility is modify hadoop-swift and try to code around it. | 18:52 |
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| elmiko | that sounds tougher | 18:52 |
| tmckay | elmiko, I have to look at just where that is being pulled from (the spark assembly) | 18:53 |
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| tmckay | since no one seems to have a strong opinion, I'll assume if the problem can't be fixed with an up-rev that we can carry an additional jar as an element | 18:54 |
| elmiko | sounds like no opposition | 18:54 |
| crobertsrh | No opposition here | 18:54 |
| * tmckay should propose other things | 18:54 | |
| elmiko | lol | 18:54 |
| tmckay | I propose hot pretzels with mustard in the Sahara pod at Summit | 18:55 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:56 |
| tmckay | oh, everyone, general question | 18:56 |
| crobertsrh | I propose that tmckay makes that happen | 18:56 |
| tmckay | we have seen lately on F21 that launching a cluster (nova) cause the network on the host to be taken out when the bridging is done | 18:57 |
| tmckay | seems to be something in a recent F21 update | 18:57 |
| tmckay | F20 is fine, older F21 is fine | 18:57 |
| tmckay | anybody see anything like this? | 18:57 |
| * tosky is still on F20 | 18:57 | |
| crobertsrh | I see it on my machine | 18:57 |
| tmckay | It has something to do with the routing table, I think, but it's not obvious to me | 18:57 |
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| tmckay | I am not a routing table expert | 18:58 |
| tmckay | maybe the nova/neutron guys could help | 18:58 |
| crobertsrh | I tried asking about it in openstack-nova, but got nothing but crickets | 18:58 |
| elmiko | might try in openstack-dev | 18:58 |
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| elmiko | lots of devstack questions there | 18:58 |
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| tmckay | yeah, probably worth a shot | 18:59 |
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| tmckay | I am revving back to F20 this afternoon/evening | 18:59 |
| elmiko | tmckay: also in fedora, devstack will attempt to remove firewalld, that usually doesn't cause issues, but maybe in f21 it does | 18:59 |
| tmckay | hmm, maybe | 19:00 |
| elmiko | times up! | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 22 19:01:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-01-22-18.00.html | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-01-22-18.00.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-01-22-18.00.log.html | 19:01 |
| tmckay | bye | 19:01 |
| tosky | o/ | 19:01 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: thanks! | 19:01 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 22 19:01:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:01 |
| miqui | 0/ | 19:01 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic RollCall | 19:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "RollCall (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:01 | |
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| amitgandhinz | hi tonytan4ever, miqui ! | 19:01 |
| cpowell_ | o/ | 19:01 |
| miqui | o/ | 19:01 |
| tonytan4ever | hi | 19:01 |
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| miqui | hi folks.... | 19:01 |
| obulpathi | o/ | 19:02 |
| catherineR | o/ | 19:02 |
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| megan_w_ | o/ | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | #link Agenda - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Last Weeks Items | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-01-15-19.00.html | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever to reach out to the TaskFlow IRC channel to learn the differences between celery and taskflow | 19:03 |
| wbrothers | o/ | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | we have an agenda later to talk about this in detail | 19:03 |
| tonytan4ever | I did some research about TaskFlow | 19:03 |
| tonytan4ever | and compared it with Celery. | 19:04 |
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| miqui | yeah..i did some pking at it.. | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | cool. we can dig in a bit | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | wbrothers to add doc to cdn vendor wiki page on how to add a mimic plugin for their api | 19:04 |
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| tonytan4ever | This is the advantage with TF: a ) Tasks are grouped into workflows that can define ordering and dependency | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: save it for the agenda items in a little bit ;-) | 19:05 |
| tonytan4ever | . which are compiled to a directed graph and can be executed in parallel. These workflows can have portions that retry, and can revert their work on failure,. | 19:05 |
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| tonytan4ever | OK | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | wbrothers: did you document how to build mimic plugin's for cdn providers? | 19:05 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok moving on then | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | ALL - investigate worker management | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | we'll discuss that shortly with the TF stuff | 19:07 |
| wbrothers | No I haven't | 19:07 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok thanks wbrothers ,i'll push it forwrad | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | #action wbrothers to add doc to cdn vendor wiki page on how to add a mimic plugin for their api | 19:07 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Updates on Blueprints and Bugs | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-3 | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | yes you read that right! we are now in Kilo-3 cycle | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | i released Kilo-2 yesterday which contained mostly bug fixes (https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-2) | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | i moved any remaining bugs forward into k3, and groomed the blueprints targeted | 19:09 |
| miqui | thanks amitgandhinz | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | the focus is now back on to features | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | lets quickly go over the bugs that are being worked on.... | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1408296 | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: are you currrently working on this or can i unassign you | 19:10 |
| obulpathi | I still have to start this | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | same for #1408301 ? | 19:10 |
| obulpathi | yes | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, removing your name | 19:11 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:11 |
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| amitgandhinz | miqui: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1381091 | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | are you working on this or should i remove your name also | 19:12 |
| miqui | keep my name on it... | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:13 |
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| amitgandhinz | then there are 3 bugs in progress that need reviews or are being worked on | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1380679 | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | what is the status of this one, its been around for a while | 19:14 |
| obulpathi | I will finish it up by this week | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | i dont see a PR for it | 19:14 |
| obulpathi | lets leave the status the same for now | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, moving on to blueprints | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/queue-driver | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | we are going to discuss this in a bit, so no update needed right now | 19:15 |
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| amitgandhinz | malini is out so cant get update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/conformance-tests | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/mimic-racksapce-dns | 19:16 |
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| obulpathi | I did some progreass on thsi | 19:16 |
| obulpathi | good chunks of API are in working state: CREATE and search | 19:16 |
| obulpathi | about 50% is done | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | so change it to Good Progress then | 19:16 |
| obulpathi | yep | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | miqui: any update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/home-doc | 19:17 |
| miqui | started to look at this... did some one else in the team make a change? | 19:17 |
| miqui | i notice some differences... | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | i dont think so | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | let me look... | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | https://github.com/stackforge/poppy/commits/master/poppy/transport/pecan/controllers/v1/home.py | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | no changes since dev 2 | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | dec 2 | 19:18 |
| miqui | hmm, ok... well.. i will dedicate more time to it.. sometimes i cannot correlate the actual output with the verb/action | 19:19 |
| miqui | ah k... | 19:19 |
| miqui | well...i'll keep at it... | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:19 |
| miqui | probably get it wrong first couple of passes... | 19:19 |
| miqui | so miost likely i'll be asking a review | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | thats fine, all part of the process =) | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok any other updates for any of the bp here https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-3 | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | kilo 3 ends on March 5 | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | nop | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | no updates | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | most of these stories are related to adding some more basic features customers need, and cleaning up code to make it better or more maintainable | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on then... | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic New Items - Taskflow vs Celery Discussion | 19:22 |
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| tonytan4ever | OK | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | from miqui: http://paste.forj.io/show/289/ | 19:23 |
| miqui | yeah that was my chat with tf folks... | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | go for it tonytan4ever, tell us what you learned over the past week | 19:23 |
| miqui | then started looking at their architecture... | 19:23 |
| tonytan4ever | In short TaskFlow provides mechanism for workflow patterns, gives you ability to build task based on dependencies and retries, and things of that nature. | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | so our tasks and workflow is basically 1. talk to cdn provider. 2. update storage. 3. update dns | 19:25 |
| tonytan4ever | So the dependencies and retry mechanism are buzzword here | 19:25 |
| tonytan4ever | Yes, execept in create we need to update storage first. | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:25 |
| cpowell_ | from miqui's discussion, "celery is highly (imho) intrusive" stuck out to me alot | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | and dependency is 2 only happens after 1 succeeds? | 19:25 |
| tonytan4ever | Yeah | 19:26 |
| tonytan4ever | But I argue since we only have three tasks at most | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | and retry is retry on failure (eg rate limiting, server unavailable, etc) | 19:26 |
| tonytan4ever | yeh | 19:26 |
| miqui | true, workflow might be simple now...but could grow tomore use cases... | 19:27 |
| tonytan4ever | Following what I want to argue, since we only have 3 tasks at most, their dependencies/retries are not that important. | 19:27 |
| tonytan4ever | And TF does have a draw back that monitoring worker process is not as easy as in Celery. | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh, that could be added later if needed/wanted | 19:27 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | how do you monitor workers in TF? | 19:28 |
| tonytan4ever | You can only read logs. | 19:28 |
| miqui | good qurstion... | 19:28 |
| tonytan4ever | Celery has flower which is favored by me and will be liked by Ops as well. | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | harlowja: ^^ | 19:29 |
| harlowja | hallo | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | hi | 19:29 |
| miqui | ...hi | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | harlowja: if you have a sec, the Poppy team is discussing between choosing TaskFlow or Celery for our tasks/workers | 19:29 |
| tonytan4ever | H harlowja | 19:29 |
| harlowja | hi there | 19:29 |
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| harlowja | well i'm still of the believe that celery is a full-app solution, u adopt it all or none of it :) | 19:30 |
| harlowja | while taskflow i think isn't | 19:30 |
| harlowja | *or wasn't intended to be | 19:30 |
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| amitgandhinz | how does monitoring workers work with TF? | 19:30 |
| harlowja | so it doesn't have a flower like thing (yet) but u are free to make one | 19:30 |
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| harlowja | but depends on what u mean by monitoring workers | 19:31 |
| miqui | up/down? | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | up/down, do we need to scale them out more | 19:31 |
| tonytan4ever | For example, we need to know if a worker has been successfully completed | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | progress and failures | 19:31 |
| miqui | reached a threshold (like max pool size) | 19:31 |
| harlowja | don't there exist a ton of existing solutions to monitor this stuff? :) | 19:31 |
| harlowja | well completed succesfully is different than up/down; up/down i'd hope can be monitored by the existing tools that monitor process no? | 19:32 |
| miqui | yes | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | cpowell_: thoughts on monitoring? | 19:32 |
| harlowja | progress and failures, that would need to be added, but i don't suspect its hard | 19:32 |
| cpowell_ | normally just looking for process name | 19:33 |
| cpowell_ | count number of PIDs | 19:33 |
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| cpowell_ | even with Celery, your celery worker would be managed by Supervisord or something | 19:34 |
| miqui | sensuapp easily do this... | 19:34 |
| cpowell_ | <3 Sensu | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | lol | 19:34 |
| harlowja | ya, i think there is like 10 trillion things that do this no? | 19:34 |
| miqui | yup | 19:34 |
| miqui | nagios 4, etc...etc.... | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: so what does celery's flower give us that we need? | 19:35 |
| tonytan4ever | It gives us all what we need. | 19:35 |
| harlowja | pretty pictures :-P | 19:35 |
| tonytan4ever | Up/down, scale situation, task success/failure. | 19:36 |
| cpowell_ | have we considered documentation? | 19:36 |
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| tonytan4ever | Yeah, and it's pretty. | 19:36 |
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| harlowja | if celery docs are much better than taskflow, i failed, ha | 19:36 |
| harlowja | i hope its nearly the same :-P | 19:36 |
| harlowja | *and/or better | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | how widely used is taskflow currently (in production systems)? | 19:37 |
| tonytan4ever | I would say I can read both celery and tf. Tf's docs are fine for me. | 19:37 |
| harlowja | amitgandhinz so cinder has been using it (not in the same manner u have in mind) for a while | 19:37 |
| harlowja | http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/big-data/ uses the workers | 19:37 |
| harlowja | and i guess thats been going for a year | 19:37 |
| harlowja | mirantis uses it in https://github.com/MirantisLabs/pumphouse | 19:37 |
| harlowja | it though becomes a question of what funcitonality do u want to us | 19:38 |
| harlowja | *use | 19:38 |
| harlowja | since u don't have to use the workers (if u just want to run workflows in local threads/processes) | 19:38 |
| harlowja | celery i think has bigger names, but thats imho partially because its older | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh we want it to perform async tasks that are initiated from the rest api, so we will be using the workers | 19:38 |
| tonytan4ever | Yeah. To use worker/queue is our primary reason to have this discussion here in the first. | 19:39 |
| harlowja | imho; i'd do an evaluation, decide on what u guys feel is appropriate and go with it (if its not taskflow, thats fine) | 19:39 |
| harlowja | use the right tool that u guys feel is ok :) | 19:39 |
| harlowja | celery hasn't been accepted to well into openstack (its been tried like 3+ times) | 19:40 |
| harlowja | but maybe that situation is better now | 19:40 |
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| amitgandhinz | i saw barbican's issues with getting it accepted, but wasnt sure how wide spread its lack of acceptance was | 19:40 |
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| tonytan4ever | Yeah, plus celery is FreeBSD license. | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: from your view, besides monitoring, what other benefits do you see with using celery? | 19:41 |
| harlowja | ah the good ole http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2013-December/000436.html :-/ | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | harlowja: lol ya | 19:42 |
| harlowja | amitgandhinz i don't think its been attempted since | 19:42 |
| harlowja | but its been a year, maybe time to try again :) | 19:42 |
| harlowja | *seems to happen once per year, lol | 19:42 |
| harlowja | *year+- | 19:42 |
| tonytan4ever | Celery also has simple exception/failure handling mechanism, for us only with three tasks it should be good enough. | 19:42 |
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| harlowja | tonytan4ever what does freebsd license help? | 19:43 |
| harlowja | apache not good? | 19:43 |
| * harlowja curious | 19:43 | |
| miqui | i thought apache was preferred... | 19:43 |
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| tonytan4ever | That's a drawback of celery comparing to TF, harlowja | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | i think thats what tonytan4ever was implying =P | 19:44 |
| harlowja | tonytan4ever oh, i'm not such a license expert, not really sure the diff, ha | 19:44 |
| tonytan4ever | And we can adopt our current async workers for celery task functions pretty easily. | 19:44 |
| tonytan4ever | Not too much code their. | 19:44 |
| tonytan4ever | This is the benefit of celery ^^ | 19:44 |
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| harlowja | meh, i'm meh meh on that, stuff is never as easy as that ;) | 19:45 |
| tonytan4ever | With tf we'd have to break those function down into tasks and combine them into flows. | 19:46 |
| obulpathi | The Apache 2.0 licenses contain a patent grant, which means that at least the authors of the code are giving you any rights that you need for the authors' patents that happen to be in the code that you are using. | 19:46 |
| harlowja | tonytan4ever ya, the amount of refactoring either way is imho marginal | 19:46 |
| obulpathi | FreeBSD license does not grant the use the rights on patents used by the code | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | im ok with a bit more work if the code becomes more granular into units | 19:46 |
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| obulpathi | s othat the major upside of Apache license | 19:46 |
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| harlowja | obulpathi good to know | 19:46 |
| obulpathi | :) | 19:47 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok do we have more questions on celery vs taskflow or are we ready to vote on it? | 19:47 |
| miqui | amitgandhinz: +1, granular so it does one thing and one thing well.. | 19:47 |
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| harlowja | it might be useful to prototype both ways, idk | 19:47 |
| harlowja | just a thought | 19:47 |
| harlowja | *up to u guys though | 19:48 |
| miqui | /and let tf handle the life cycle of it... | 19:48 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startvote Should we implement Taskflow or Celery? Taskflow, Celery, Both | 19:49 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we implement Taskflow or Celery? Valid vote options are Taskflow, Celery, Both. | 19:49 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:49 |
| cpowell_ | well, judging from the tone of the email harlowja linked, I think that celery is a non-starter... | 19:49 |
| tonytan4ever | #vote Celery | 19:49 |
| harlowja | cpowell_ the tone might of calmed down over the past year (i'm must not sure), lol | 19:50 |
| harlowja | *i'm just not sure | 19:50 |
| amitgandhinz | we could always seed the thought again on the dev list | 19:50 |
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| harlowja | *bring your flak jackets (just incase) | 19:51 |
| amitgandhinz | lol | 19:51 |
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| amitgandhinz | cpowell_: miqui: obulpathi: ready to vote yet, or do you have more questions? | 19:51 |
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| cpowell_ | are there docs for prodution installation/configuration | 19:51 |
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| cpowell_ | I see how to use it in the code... | 19:51 |
| miqui | #vote TaskFlow | 19:51 |
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| harlowja | probably could be made better cpowell_ in that area; but i don't think its to much work there | 19:52 |
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| harlowja | be nice to have some examples/recommendations for that i guess | 19:52 |
| harlowja | the rackspace guys maybe can make that (they've been using this model/workers... for a whie) | 19:52 |
| harlowja | *while | 19:52 |
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| * harlowja will poke them on this, ha | 19:53 | |
| harlowja | and poke and poke :-P | 19:53 |
| amitgandhinz | cpowell_: we should sync up with the big data folks | 19:53 |
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| cpowell_ | ok | 19:53 |
| harlowja | def amitgandhinz cpowell_ #openstack-state-management channel (dkrause or jimbohickville) | 19:53 |
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| harlowja | dkrause not on right now, but jimbo (greg) is | 19:53 |
| amitgandhinz | we can do that offline | 19:54 |
| harlowja | nm, he left to, ha | 19:54 |
| * amitgandhinz heard us and ran =P | 19:54 | |
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| harlowja | :) | 19:54 |
| amitgandhinz | ok only 6 minutes left | 19:54 |
| amitgandhinz | can we vote? | 19:54 |
| cpowell_ | I reserve the right to complain about either choice | 19:55 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:55 |
| cpowell_ | #vote TaskFlow | 19:55 |
| tonytan4ever | You can vote both right, lol | 19:55 |
| amitgandhinz | lol, no we hold you to it for ever and ever | 19:55 |
| obulpathi | #vote None (Start with only queues and implement worker mechanism later, depending on the needs and our ability to handle TaskFlow. I prefer TaskFlow tough, if we can manage it) | 19:55 |
| openstack | obulpathi: None (Start with only queues and implement worker mechanism later, depending on the needs and our ability to handle TaskFlow. I prefer TaskFlow tough, if we can manage it) is not a valid option. Valid options are Taskflow, Celery, Both. | 19:55 |
| obulpathi | cpowell_: Same thoughts here | 19:55 |
| amitgandhinz | #vote TaskFlow | 19:56 |
| tonytan4ever | OK. I guess it's TaskFlow then... | 19:56 |
| obulpathi | #vote TaskFlow | 19:56 |
| cpowell_ | I am insterested in TaskFlow, but from an Ops perspective I need to see more | 19:56 |
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| amitgandhinz | miqui: ??? | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | its going to have to start with a prototype either way | 19:57 |
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| miqui | voting.. | 19:57 |
| miqui | #vote TaskFlow | 19:57 |
| amitgandhinz | ok i think thats everyone | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | #endvote | 19:58 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we implement Taskflow or Celery?" Results are | 19:58 |
| openstack | Celery (1): tonytan4ever | 19:58 |
| openstack | Taskflow (4): miqui, obulpathi, cpowell_, amitgandhinz | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, so lets do a prototype of taskflow | 19:58 |
| tonytan4ever | I am alway be minority... Lol. | 19:59 |
| amitgandhinz | and we should build it in a way such that if in the future we want to build celery workers we arent locked into a corner | 19:59 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: even minority's have a voice =) | 19:59 |
| tonytan4ever | OK. | 19:59 |
| tonytan4ever | agreed. | 19:59 |
| amitgandhinz | the kicker for me i feel is openstack acceptance of taskflow, and the monitoring is still possible with taskflow workers (with a little mrore work) | 19:59 |
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| amitgandhinz | and the nice to have of smaller units of tasks makes for better code | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | at the expense of more time to build it | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | anyway, time is up | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | we should continue discussing in the channel | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks harlowja | 20:00 |
| harlowja | cools, #openstack-state-management guys | 20:00 |
| tonytan4ever | See you all. | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| miqui | cya | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 22 20:00:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-01-22-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-01-22-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-01-22-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
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