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| Swami | hi dvr folks | 15:00 |
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| Swami | #startmeeting distributed-virtual-router | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 29 15:01:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:01 |
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| Swami | #topic Agenda | 15:02 |
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| Swami | Kilo design summit Update | 15:02 |
| Swami | DVR Bugs | 15:02 |
| Swami | and | 15:02 |
| Swami | Kilo release plans | 15:03 |
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| Swami | #topic Kilo design summit schedule | 15:03 |
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| Swami | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/neutron#.VFEAcfnF8c5 | 15:03 |
| Swami | Rajeev_: hi | 15:03 |
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| Rajeev_ | Swami: Hi | 15:03 |
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| Swami | One of the items in the kilo design summit plan that covers the dvr is "paying down technical debts in neutron agents". | 15:04 |
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| Swami | I hope all our "dvr" technical debts will fit into that umbrella session. | 15:05 |
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| Swami | We can include our technical debts to that list and start working on it. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | There are bugs that have been filed for some of the technical debts that we have, but for others we don't have any bugs raised. But we can discuss the priority of those items at the summit and then either add a blueprint or a bug in launchpad. | 15:07 |
| Swami | #topic Bugs | 15:07 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=l3-dvr-backlog | 15:08 |
| Swami | At present there are no new bugs. | 15:08 |
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| Swami | The one critical bug that was raised for the "floatingip status" is fixed and merged. | 15:10 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130655/ | 15:10 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin had fixed this bug | 15:10 |
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| Swami | Rajeev_: I think your bug for the race condition also got merged | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi. I’m around but I have an ear in another meeting. | 15:12 |
| Rajeev_ | Swami: yes, that has been merged | 15:13 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:13 |
| Swami | Right now we don't have any owners for the "HA" bug. | 15:14 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1365473 | 15:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1365473 in neutron "Unable to create a router that's both HA and distributed" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:14 |
| Swami | Some of the patches that mrsmith is working on for the snat move would address couple of issues with the HA | 15:15 |
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| Swami | As I mentioned in our previous meeting that I have started a Wiki to keep track of the HA for the service node and I have informed both amuller and safchain | 15:15 |
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| Swami | amuller is on vacation this week and probably we can get in touch with him and sylvain during the summit. | 15:16 |
| Swami | Rajeev_: Did you get a chance to look at this bug below. | 15:17 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1376013 | 15:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1376013 in neutron "Error about rfp/fpr veth in log when restarting l3 agent in DVR mode" [Medium,Incomplete] | 15:17 |
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| Rajeev_ | Swami: That would be a godd topic to take up with Amuller | 15:17 |
| Swami | This was pointing to some log message with respect to the veth pair conflict. | 15:17 |
| Rajeev_ | Swami: let me read it | 15:17 |
| phil_h | There is a serious HA router functionality problem in bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1365476 | 15:18 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1365476 in neutron "HA routers interact badly with l2pop" [High,In progress] | 15:18 |
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| Rajeev_ | Swami: no I have been working with Brian on the IPv6 issue | 15:19 |
| Swami | phil_h: thanks for the link | 15:19 |
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| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1376325 | 15:19 |
| Swami | phil_h: I think sylvain is already looking at this bug or working on it. | 15:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1376325 in neutron "Cannot enable DVR and IPv6 simultaneously" [Medium,New] | 15:19 |
| Swami | We can check on this when we are at the summit. | 15:19 |
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| phil_h | yes he is | 15:19 |
| phil_h | good | 15:20 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes I have asked rajeev to keep in touch with your regarding the IPv6 issue that you have filed. | 15:20 |
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| Swami | Rajeev_: are you working with haleyb on this IPv6 issue. | 15:21 |
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| haleyb | I'm testing a small patch now | 15:21 |
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| haleyb | s/patch/kludge :) | 15:21 |
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| Rajeev_ | Swami: yes I am working with haleyb | 15:21 |
| Rajeev_ | on the IPv6 issue | 15:22 |
| Swami | Rajeev_: So for the veth pair issue, is this related to the agent restart issue or is it something else. | 15:22 |
| safchain | Swami, hi | 15:23 |
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| Swami | safchain: hi | 15:23 |
| Rajeev_ | Swami: it certainly is related to Agent restart. | 15:23 |
| Swami | ok then, either Rajeev_ or mrsmith can take up this. | 15:23 |
| Swami | safchain: you are coming in at the right time. | 15:23 |
| safchain | Swami, yes It seems :) | 15:23 |
| Swami | We have been discussing about the HA and the DVR issue | 15:23 |
| Swami | also phil_h pointed that there was another bug filed related to HA and l2pop | 15:24 |
| Swami | safchain: how do we want to work on this HA issue. | 15:24 |
| safchain | yes It seems to be related to linuxbridge, no ? | 15:24 |
| Swami | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DVR/ServiceNode-HA | 15:25 |
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| phil_h | Linuxbridge is broke | 15:25 |
| Swami | Couple of weeks back amuller and myself discussed that we can start a wiki page to address the Service Node HA for the DVr and add the notes in there so that both the teams can make use of it. | 15:26 |
| Swami | Initially we had an issue in moving the snat namespace from one node to another, I think we have a patch for it right now. | 15:26 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122024/ | 15:27 |
| Swami | mrsmith is working on this patch. | 15:27 |
| safchain | Swami, I think the summit could be good place to discuss about that with assaf | 15:27 |
| Swami | safchain: If you have any further questions we can discuss offline | 15:28 |
| safchain | Swami, I'll have a look to the wiki page and related patches | 15:28 |
| safchain | Swami, ok thanks | 15:28 |
| Swami | safchain: Sure, I will catch you at the pod area for further discussion. | 15:28 |
| Rajeev_ | safchain: yes, would like to have a discussion at the summit | 15:28 |
| safchain | Rajeev_, sure | 15:28 |
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| Swami | Regarding the VPN support for DVR, I do have a patch out there but still seeing some issue. So I am working on it. | 15:29 |
| Swami | Regarding the l3 agent refactor work, carl_baldwin had already started work on putting in patches for it. | 15:30 |
| Swami | So please review it when you see those patches. | 15:30 |
| Swami | I will ask mrsmith to work on the refactor. | 15:31 |
| Swami | That's all I had for bugs. | 15:31 |
| Swami | #topic Kilo plans | 15:31 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: The refactoring brings up an important subject. | 15:32 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: yes carl | 15:32 |
| Swami | 1. HA for Service Node | 15:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | Some simple refactoring may be acceptible to the community but when it gets more invasive, the community will demand that functional testing be in place for DVR before the refactoring can be accepted. | 15:33 |
| Swami | 2. VLAN Support | 15:33 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: So is there a dependency on functional test and multi node setup at the gate. | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Yes, refactoring will depend on functional testing | 15:34 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: My question is will multi node setup be required for functional testing. | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: It may be for certain types of testing. The L3HA guys have done quite a bit without it though. | 15:36 |
| Rajeev_ | Swami: , carl_baldwin : independent of refactoring, a multi-node setup is definitely needed for DVR | 15:36 |
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| Swami | Rajeev_: +1 | 15:36 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Ok, then we should focus on the functional tests that can be achieved in a single node scenario first and then start working on the multi node setup or can be done in parallel. | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Yes, I think that sounds good. | 15:38 |
| Swami | sounds like a plan. | 15:38 |
| Swami | Let us continue with our technical debts. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | The L3HA guys have a way to run multiple L3 agents on the same node. This could be usable for DVR too. | 15:38 |
| Swami | 3. Support DVR other than the OVS | 15:39 |
| Rajeev_ | safchain: can we talk about this too at the summit | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: Sorry, I hope I haven’t derailed the meeting. Just wanted to make sure functional testing gets some priority. Should probably reach out to amuller and maru for some help getting started. | 15:40 |
| safchain | Rajeev_, yes I think multinode testing is a big subject | 15:40 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: Sure, that helps. | 15:40 |
| Swami | We will talk to amuller and maru on this. | 15:40 |
| Swami | 4. IPv6 support | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | We will need Maru’s review on the final product. So, better to start communicating early. | 15:41 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: will do carl. | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: great | 15:42 |
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| Swami | 5. Functional Tests | 15:42 |
| Swami | 6. Multi node setup | 15:42 |
| Swami | 7. L3 Agent Refactor | 15:42 |
| Swami | 8. Services - Firewall (East-West) and VPNaaS | 15:43 |
| Swami | 9. Full migration support | 15:43 |
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| Swami | 10. Distributed DHCP | 15:43 |
| Swami | 11. Distributed SNAT | 15:43 |
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| Swami | I have just posted all the items that I thought of. We can plan and take up some of the items based on our priority and the community feedback. | 15:44 |
| Swami | If you guys have any other item please feel free to capture it here. | 15:45 |
| Swami | Or else I can start an etherpad page for keeping track of all items and prioritizing the items. | 15:45 |
| Swami | #topic Announcement | 15:46 |
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| Swami | Next week we will be all in the Openstack summit, so we will not have our DVR meeting | 15:46 |
| Swami | Also the meeting for the week after next will also be cancelled. | 15:47 |
| Swami | We can resume our meeting on November 19th. | 15:47 |
| Swami | #topic Open Discussions | 15:47 |
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| Swami | Any other topic of interest and for discussion | 15:48 |
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| Swami | We do have a "DVR Architecture Talk" in the General session on Monday at 3.20p.m, if you are around please attend the session. | 15:49 |
| Swami | Ok see you all at Paris. | 15:50 |
| Swami | bye | 15:50 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 29 15:50:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-10-29-15.01.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-10-29-15.01.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-10-29-15.01.log.html | 15:50 |
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| rkukura | Hi ML2’ers! | 16:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:00 |
| romilg | Hi.. | 16:00 |
| yamahata | hello | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | Hello | 16:01 |
| absubram__ | hi | 16:01 |
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| matrohon | hi | 16:02 |
| rkukura | we’ll start in a moment | 16:02 |
| manishg | hi | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | Not seeing shivharris or amotoki | 16:03 |
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| manishg | rkukura, in bus. so connection is flakey. will be back online in about 20 minutes. until then I might get periodically disconnected. | 16:03 |
| rkukura | manishg: OK, thanks | 16:04 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 29 16:04:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:04 |
| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Agenda | 16:05 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | Looking forward to the summit next week | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | Anyone have any announcements? | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | I missed last week’s meeting, but have read the log. I don’t see any action items. | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | I still don’t see shivharis, our bug czar. | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | Does anyone know of any bugs needing discussion today? | 16:08 |
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| romilg | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1179223 | 16:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1179223 in neutron "Retired GRE and VXLAN tunnels persists in neutron db" [High,In progress] | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | romilg: Thanks. What is the current status on this? | 16:09 |
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| romilg | Still need more reviewers | 16:09 |
| manishg | I have a couple of patches. one has one +2 and other has several +1's. | 16:09 |
| manishg | if someone could take a look and +2 (or suggest changes) that would be great. | 16:09 |
| manishg | https://review.openstack.org/124917 | 16:09 |
| manishg | https://review.openstack.org/126360 | 16:09 |
| romilg | One more, https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1269131 | 16:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1269131 in neutron "ML2 unit test coverage - db" [Low,In progress] | 16:10 |
| romilg | Need suggestion on patch set | 16:10 |
| rkukura | manishg: I had started reviewing the first of those, will try to complete them. | 16:10 |
| romilg | https://review.openstack.org/130941 | 16:10 |
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| manishg | thank. | 16:11 |
| manishg | thx | 16:11 |
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| romilg | Rectly started this bug for ML2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1386059 | 16:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1386059 in neutron "All LOG message should use gettextutils _LI, _LW, _LE, _LC" [Medium,In progress] | 16:11 |
| romilg | patch set for the same https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130992/6 | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: I reviewed one of them - there were some comments and decided to wait until you addressed those | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | OK, these all seem to have good progress, and need review both within ML2 and by cores. | 16:14 |
| rkukura | Are there any high or critical bugs that don’t have owners, or that owner’s are stuck on? | 16:15 |
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| matrohon | this one : https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1361540 | 16:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1361540 in neutron "no mechanism driver calls for gateway port removal" [High,In progress] | 16:16 |
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| matrohon | but I don't have any idea how to move forward... | 16:16 |
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| rkukura | Seems we need to eliminate direct DB changes that bypass the plugin. | 16:17 |
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| matrohon | +1 : you think I should code a call to ML2.delete_port even for port that should exist? | 16:18 |
| matrohon | s/should/shouldn't | 16:19 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: If the port was created by the plugin, it must be deleted by the plugin. | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: I think L3 Router service plugin creates the port, when it executes interface add to the router - | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: not sure about the delete part | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | So, the question is should the delete port be invoked in the L3 Router service plugin | 16:22 |
| rkukura | matrohon, Sukhdev: I have not looked closely enough at the patch in review, but in general, I feel pretty strongly that no code should be going around the plugin and manipulating the DB directly, ever. | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: agree | 16:23 |
| rkukura | Is the race here that a new interface can get added while the router is being deleted? | 16:23 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : +1 | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: so, in that case both the creates and deletes should be through the ML2 plugin calls | 16:23 |
| matrohon | rkukura : I think there is such races | 16:23 |
| matrohon | that's the reason why mark did a last fixe to Juno, to cleanup stale ports | 16:24 |
| rkukura | Then it seems we either need an initial transaction that marks the router as “deleting” and prevents and interfaces from being added, or we need a loop that retries the entire tranaction if any interfaces get added. | 16:24 |
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| matrohon | but he did it by invoking the db directly | 16:24 |
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| matrohon | do you think about a lock? | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: Locks are local to a node. | 16:26 |
| matrohon | so : db flag? | 16:26 |
| rkukura | matrohon: That’s what I meant by “marks the router as ‘deleting’” | 16:26 |
| manishg | rkukura: I haven't looked at the patch in question but introducing state like what you are suggesting seems like a good idea to avoid some of these races. | 16:27 |
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| rkukura | Lets continue this in the review, and at the summit. | 16:28 |
| matrohon | rkukura : ok thanks. I'll think about it | 16:28 |
| rkukura | we do need a consistent approach to dealing with these sorts of race conditions. Same thing with adding ports to networks and subnets, etc.. | 16:29 |
| rkukura | Any other bugs to discuss? | 16:29 |
| absubram__ | I have a low priority one that I brought up last week.. I sent out a new version and it has one +2.. needs a second please.. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105514/ | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | absubram__: Thanks | 16:30 |
| rkukura | #topic Specs for Kilo | 16:30 |
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| romilg | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-neutronclient/+spec/neutron-cli-for-creating-multi-segment-network | 16:31 |
| romilg | lets review this and let me know...do we need this CLI or not :) | 16:31 |
| romilg | specs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129575/ | 16:32 |
| rkukura | romilg: I recall that mestery had figured out some way to do this with the CLI back when when he implemented the multiprovidernet extension for ML2 | 16:32 |
| rkukura | romilg: Lets try to get him to look at your spec. | 16:32 |
| romilg | I have tht mail chain we didn't tht the proper CLI | 16:33 |
| manishg | romilg: I thought I can create multiple segments already via cli | 16:33 |
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| romilg | pls let me know if it is already there | 16:33 |
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| manishg | I'll take a look. I thought with multi-providernet this was taken care of. | 16:34 |
| romilg | with example I tried all possible combinations and left it | 16:34 |
| rkukura | Clearly we need to either document how its done, or add the capability | 16:34 |
| rkukura | So now is the time to be submitting specs for all kilo BPs for review. | 16:34 |
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| romilg | yeah exactly :) | 16:35 |
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| rkukura | Do we want to continue to track these reviews in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews? | 16:35 |
| mestery | rkukura romilg: I'll look at the spec. | 16:35 |
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| rkukura | mestery: thanks! | 16:35 |
| manishg | romilg: neutron net-create multinet --segments type=dict list=true provider:physical_network=blah,provider:segmentation_id=blah, provider:network_type=vlan | 16:36 |
| romilg | rkukura: when I started fixing one defect for mult-segment network I asked kyle as well as you | 16:36 |
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| yamamoto | rkukura: i prefer something more mechanical than the wiki. eg. gerrit query recipe | 16:36 |
| manishg | mystery: with this command I believe we should be able to create multiple segments from cli. right? | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | romilg: manishg may have the incantation! | 16:37 |
| romilg | I will test this cmd and post it | 16:37 |
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| yamamoto | manishg: i vaguely remember i needed to read client code to figure out how to do it. we need doc improvement. | 16:37 |
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| romilg | Thanks Manish :) | 16:37 |
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| manishg | yamamoto: agree. I had to fiure this from code. no docs I believe. | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | OK, lets at least document how this is done with the current CLI. | 16:38 |
| rkukura | yamamoto: I guess the real question is how can we best use some time in these meetings to ensure the ML2 spec reviews are progressing? | 16:39 |
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| rkukura | I think its important the the ML2 subteam members do initial reviews on the ML2-related specs. | 16:41 |
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| manishg | rkukura: +1 | 16:41 |
| rkukura | I agree maintaining a wiki for the reviews is cumbersome and its ofter out-of-date. | 16:41 |
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| yamamoto | rkukura: sure. at least the list of specs needs to be maintained by human beings. | 16:42 |
| rkukura | Should we put a discussion on the sub-team’s spec review process on the agenda for the week after the summit? | 16:43 |
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| yamamoto | it has been on my todo list to write a script which takes the list of specs and produces the wiki equivalent.. | 16:44 |
| rkukura | I’m not sure if there is a deadline for submitting specs for Kilo, but we should try to get these all in within the next couple weeks. | 16:44 |
| manishg | I think it's good to review the list from time to time also. to make sure they are getting attention and progressing. + add any new ones (this doesn't change as often I guess) | 16:44 |
| rkukura | yamamoto: that would be nice! | 16:44 |
| manishg | yamamoto: that would be great! | 16:44 |
| rkukura | OK, lets move on | 16:44 |
| rkukura | #topic Kilo Design Summit | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | I’m thinking we’ll skip the IRC meeting next week due to the summit. | 16:45 |
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| manishg | rkukura: I think there won't be any other meetings next week due to summit - folks will be busy at the summit. so I'd vote for skipping it next week. | 16:46 |
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| manishg | there will be plenty of etherpads and such for updates to everyone! | 16:46 |
| rkukura | We’ll have the oportunity to discuss ML2-related topics both in sessions and in the Pod. | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes - no meeting next week | 16:46 |
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| rkukura | The design sessions are: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics-distilled | 16:47 |
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| rkukura | Day 1, item 2 is clearly relevant to ML2! | 16:47 |
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| rkukura | Does anyone want to discuss any of the summit design session topics here briefly? | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | link: http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/neutron#.VFEafNR4p49 - here is official schedule | 16:49 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Thanks! | 16:49 |
| rkukura | I expect we will want to have a Pod discussion of TaskFlow / error recovery if possible | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | Since we do not have a formal slot in the main session - my thought was we use part of the session to make announcements for our PODs discussions | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | and do the real discussions in the PODs as well round table meetings (on the last day) | 16:50 |
| manishg | rkukura, I've been working on the taskflow integration. and there are many open questions. | 16:50 |
| manishg | some of which you had brought up also. and it would be good to discuss them next week. | 16:51 |
| rkukura | manishg: agreed | 16:51 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: +1 - lets discuss those for sure | 16:51 |
| manishg | I have some code that I'll try to upload so folks can look at it. after that I'll send the doc too. | 16:51 |
| rkukura | Do we need a POD session on hierarchical port binding? I’ll have that spec updated and in review. | 16:51 |
| rkukura | Or a POD session on next steps for extension drivers? | 16:52 |
| rkukura | Or on agent modularization? | 16:52 |
| manishg | this will I"ll try to populate the doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SDr3NEL7wjOfMvQ3GrCLbgjLhhLrMzNcaG2DIRNPV4Y/edit?usp=sharing -- for those interested in taskflow/ ML2 integration. the doc is blank now - will add stuff later this week. | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | manishg: Thanks! | 16:53 |
| manishg | rkukura: I think agent modularization would be a good topic. | 16:53 |
| manishg | but I think banix isn't able to attend the summit, right? | 16:53 |
| padkrish | regd modular L2 agent, anything updated after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106189/2/specs/juno/modular-l2-agent.rst? | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: It depends upon the participants - my suggestion is we pick time slots for each of these topics and announce it in the main session | 16:54 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: makes sense, but might be difficult to schedule | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: depending upon the interest level, folks can come and join in the disucssion | 16:54 |
| rkukura | Any other suggestions for POD sessions of wide interest in ML2? | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: My thought is we pick in the order of priority and pick times which are not in conflict with Neutron Sessions | 16:55 |
| sadasu | rkukura: +1 for pod sessions for hierarchical port binding | 16:55 |
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| manishg | rkukura, Sukhdev: it would also be good to have quick 'info sessions' in the pod area where people can introduce the specs - maybe not have full discussions (this could be short). this could be informal. | 16:55 |
| manishg | rkukura: hierarchical port-binding session, yes. | 16:56 |
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| manishg | as well as extension drivers. +1. | 16:56 |
| rkukura | #action: rkukura and Sukhdev to organize POD sessions for these | 16:56 |
| rkukura | Any others? | 16:56 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: I think we should ask for a slot in the round table discussion for ML2 Sync/TaskFlow discussion as well | 16:57 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Are those being scheduled ahead of time, or will that be done based on what we need after the design sessions? | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | Round Table takes place on Friday - by then we would have hashed out some of the taskflow related issues - this will be an opportunity to discuss with wider audience | 16:58 |
| manishg | are there any use cases for multiple mech-drivers (not including agent-based mech drivers)? or are most of the cases where we use ovs/linuxbridge + one of the other mech drivers? | 16:58 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: sounds good | 16:58 |
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| manishg | Sukhdev: +1. would be certainly a good idea to discuss with wider audience. And before Friday we'd have had plenty of time to hash the issues out. | 16:59 |
| rkukura | manishg: Supporting heterogeneous deployments was one of the original goals for ML2. | 16:59 |
| sadasu | manishg: why do you ask? there is a use case for ovs+vm-fex mech driver+nexus mech driver | 16:59 |
| rkukura | OK, thanks everybody! Looking forward to seeing many of you next week! | 17:00 |
| manishg | rkukura: understood. but I was curious how people use it today. | 17:00 |
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| sadasu | nexus or any other upstream switch mech driver | 17:00 |
| rkukura | manishg: Lets followup on that at the summit or the week after. | 17:00 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 29 17:00:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-10-29-16.04.html | 17:00 |
| yamamoto | bye | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-10-29-16.04.txt | 17:00 |
| manishg | rkukura: sure. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-10-29-16.04.log.html | 17:00 |
| manishg | thanks. | 17:00 |
| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 29 17:00:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
| Kiall | Hey folks, who's about? | 17:00 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:00 |
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| vinod1 | o/ | 17:01 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:01 |
| betsy | o/ | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | Okay, So agenda wasn't updated with any new topics :) So, let's start with | 17:02 |
| Kiall | #topic Pools - Where are we? (kiall) | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | A few more of the pools changes landed yesterday/today .. What have people got outstanding? | 17:03 |
| betsy | I’m working on adding the pool_id column to domains | 17:03 |
| betsy | And associated code changes | 17:03 |
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| vinod1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125868/ is ready to be reviewed and merged | 17:03 |
| rjrjr_ | i have lots of work on the service and central. | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: I saw that one go up a couple of minutes ago :) | 17:04 |
| rjrjr_ | i was turning my attention today to the remaining storage changes i need. | 17:04 |
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| betsy | rjrjr_: to do or done already? | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: I've seen a few revisions of your latest PS, is it ready for review? | 17:05 |
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| rjrjr_ | what i submit is ready for review. what everyone needs to understand is nothing is 100% complete, because i'm working without all the dependencies. | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Ah - I'm thinking of the BIND9 one, rather than Create/Delete | 17:05 |
| rjrjr_ | bind9 is ready for review. so is the other. | 17:05 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: Ok - So, what dependencies are you blocked on for starting to wire stuff up? | 17:06 |
| rjrjr_ | mdns, storage. | 17:06 |
| Kiall | betsy's storage changes should be in, is there more still required there? | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | pool_id colum? | 17:06 |
| Kiall | (They landed last night.. | 17:06 |
| betsy | Yeah, there’s some more, but the basic pool tables are there | 17:07 |
| Kiall | as did vinod1's API additions for pools | 17:07 |
| rjrjr_ | ah, last night. that's good. | 17:07 |
| rjrjr_ | what about mdns? haven't been able to work on domain update without that one. | 17:07 |
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| mugsie | they should work as is right now... | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Yep - With the frontend pieces in place, and if betsy's final change (pool_id's for the actual domains) lands, we should in theory be able to start wiring stuff up - at least for a single pool | 17:08 |
| vinod1 | mdns is ready to be reviewed and merged | 17:08 |
| mugsie | just without separate namespaces | 17:08 |
| rjrjr_ | there are no calls for me to make at this point to mdns. | 17:08 |
| timsim | rjrjr_: for mdns: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125868/ | 17:08 |
| Kiall | yea, what mugsie said is my "for a single pool" | 17:08 |
| rjrjr_ | timsim: correct. | 17:09 |
| Kiall | Okay.. So getting the tsig bits in for multi-pool needs to happen ASAP... my openstack/requirements change finally got a -1 yesterday, so I'll get that updated so we can add the tsig pieces to mdns for multi pool | 17:09 |
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| rjrjr_ | anything i submit is ready for review. just understand, it may not be 100% complete as i'm waiting on other pieces. | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: we'll also need to add the pool-mgr service into the DevStack pieces, so we can have it up + running so we can wire central -> pool mgr.. | 17:11 |
| Kiall | We *may* want to do that in a phased way, e.g. create a tiny traditional backend that forwards over to the pool mgr, so we can keep everything working while we transition | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | thoughts? | 17:11 |
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| rjrjr_ | i agree. | 17:12 |
| timsim | If we can't avoid adding things that don't break the current stuff, we should probably do that. | 17:12 |
| mugsie | yeah - I think with out a separate branch, we will have to | 17:12 |
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| mugsie | It should just be copy + paste what would be in central though | 17:12 |
| rjrjr_ | this morning, i'm going to make changes to storage which will add the needed rows to existing tables and modify central so it won't break what works today. | 17:13 |
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| rjrjr_ | that sets me up for the update_status method in central. | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | Okay.. Sounds like we have a plan :) I'll add pool-mgr to DevStack, and (re)start the tsig stuff, rjrjr_ since you're most familar with the pool mgr stuff - could you add a traditional backend that calls out to PoolMgr for CUD domain calls? | 17:14 |
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| rjrjr_ | traditional backend = powerdns? | 17:15 |
| Kiall | betsy covers off the pool_id stuff in the domains table, and we hopefully have messages flowing from the API through to the pool mgmr correctly at that point | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | rjrjr_: a shim one | 17:16 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: a backend that can load into todays central code, and just forwards over to the pool manager service.. Similar to impl_multi.py but talking to poolmgr | 17:16 |
| mugsie | that proxies a call from central to pool managers | 17:16 |
| Kiall | The idea being to get that in place early, so the rest of pool mgr and it's pieces can be build + tested end to end before pulling the old stuff out of central | 17:16 |
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| rjrjr_ | without mdns, i can't work on update. | 17:17 |
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| rjrjr_ | can we get vinod's work through today? | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: Yep - mugsie / betsy / myself - can we get that reviewed + approved after this meet assuming no issues? | 17:18 |
| rjrjr_ | cool. | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | yeah, np | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | Any other pool's statues to bring up? | 17:19 |
| rjrjr_ | i have a question in the meeting, but we can wait. | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Okay.. Since the agenda wasn't updated.. we'll move to | 17:19 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: you had a question? ;) | 17:20 |
| rjrjr_ | Pools - Should 'masters' join 'name-servers' and 'also-notify' in pool object? | 17:20 |
| rjrjr_ | ekarlso brought up this one the other day. | 17:20 |
| rjrjr_ | it seems like 'masters' is going to be a concept for every backend driver. | 17:21 |
| mugsie | hummm... | 17:21 |
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| rjrjr_ | should it be elevated to the same level as name-servers and also-notify in pools or does it remain a backend option? | 17:21 |
| mugsie | as in the mDNS addresses to slave off? | 17:21 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: thinking... I seem to remember a reason it wasn't included | 17:21 |
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| rjrjr_ | mugsie: correct. | 17:21 |
| rjrjr_ | technically, it is a backend option. | 17:21 |
| rjrjr_ | but, it will probably be used by every backend. | 17:22 |
| mugsie | that, in theory, could be autogen'd in the future (as mDNS nodes come and cgo) | 17:22 |
| mugsie | so, maybe. | 17:22 |
| mugsie | but, there will be a requirement to be able to override it | 17:22 |
| timsim | Yeah you wouldn't want to do that in the config unless you can reload it without restarting the service. So it makes some sense. | 17:22 |
| Kiall | well - reloading the config is something we can actually do | 17:23 |
| mugsie | (as some people will limit "masters" to mDNS nodes in the same region | 17:23 |
| Kiall | and - for "private" or "managed" pools, I'm thinking it's something we should avoid exposing. | 17:23 |
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| rjrjr_ | send a "HUP" signal to pool manager service to reread config? | 17:23 |
| mugsie | Kiall: in the object != exposing though | 17:24 |
| rjrjr_ | that is a common practice with other UNIX daemons. | 17:24 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: yea, we just need to wire HUP -> oslo.config's reload method, and make sure our code isn't broke ;) | 17:24 |
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| rjrjr_ | that brings up a good point about the config changing out from under pool manager service, even on a restart... | 17:24 |
| mugsie | and, it would allow for mDNS nodes to be added / removed w/o reloading a load of pool managers | 17:24 |
| Kiall | I'm thinking the list of masters shouldn't be associated (directly) with a pool.. a pool might span multiple regions, but you want region local AXFR's to happen | 17:25 |
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| timsim | That's true ^ | 17:25 |
| mugsie | yup - hense the "override" bit - but for the 90% use case - it make things a lot easier | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | (for smaller installs) | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | I'm not sure I understand how it make it easier? | 17:26 |
| rjrjr_ | i think we leave 'masters' a backend option. let's get pools working. then add 'HUP' capability. | 17:26 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: ++ from me, doing that leaves the door open for a more through through plan later without too much baggage.. | 17:27 |
| Kiall | thought through* | 17:27 |
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| mugsie | for v1, - leave it as is | 17:27 |
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| timsim | I think I prefer that as well. | 17:27 |
| Kiall | and .. the less code we have to write, the better ;) | 17:27 |
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| rjrjr_ | i still need to consider what happens when the config changes (for example a server is added or deleted) and the pool manager is restarted. | 17:28 |
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| rjrjr_ | i'll need to handle that in the periodic_sync. | 17:28 |
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| rjrjr_ | and domain_update now that i'm thinking about it. | 17:28 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: yea .. there's likely a few places stuff like that may be needed :) | 17:29 |
| rjrjr_ | i'm pretty sure i know what needs to happen. feel like i'm living this code right now. 8^) | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | It *may* be worth a second periodic task to maintain that kinda of config of existing zones, leaving the periodic_sync task to just ensure the list of zones is accurate.. Not 100% sure.. | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | (My thinking being we want to create/delete missing zones ASAP, which means a short periodic interval, while adding a new mDNS might not be urgent) | 17:31 |
| rjrjr_ | the biggest issue is when a server is removed. do we remove it from the cache? it goes into the calculation for the threshold. | 17:31 |
| rjrjr_ | might need to add a 'active' field to the table and activate those entries for servers that exist. | 17:31 |
| rjrjr_ | and deactivate the rest. | 17:32 |
| rjrjr_ | i'll give this some thought. but not right now. i'd like to get the 'straight path' working first. | 17:32 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: good Q.. is a physical server is removed part way through a change, and the threshold is 100%, changes made will fail for a short interval. I think that's acceptable - especially for v1 - as operators can choose to reduce the threshold before decommissioning a server | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | rjrjr_: yup - I think the happy path is the one to walk initially | 17:33 |
| rjrjr_ | okay. | 17:33 |
| rjrjr_ | if all goes well this week, i'd like to accomplish happy path by Friday. | 17:34 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:34 |
| Kiall | Okay - Any other topics for the agenda today? | 17:34 |
| betsy | I’ve got something | 17:34 |
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| rjrjr_ | i'm not asking for a rubber stamp on the code pushes, but if we can somehow keep in mind right now changes are work in progress, that would be helpful. | 17:35 |
| betsy | I’m transferring to a different team within Rackspace, so next Friday, Nov. 7 will be my last day on Designate | 17:35 |
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| rjrjr_ | betsy - 8^( | 17:35 |
| mugsie | betsy: :( | 17:35 |
| Kiall | betsy: ahh.. :( | 17:35 |
| betsy | I know. I’ll be sad, too | 17:35 |
| Kiall | Where are you going? | 17:35 |
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| betsy | To the VMWare team | 17:36 |
| betsy | Not on openstack | 17:36 |
| jmcbride | Betsy, thanks for all of your dedication and work on Designate. | 17:36 |
| rjrjr_ | sorry to hear this. hope you enjoy the new work! | 17:36 |
| mugsie | jmcbride: +1 | 17:36 |
| Kiall | jmcbride: ++ | 17:36 |
| Kiall | VMWare team? I didn't know RAX had one of those :) | 17:36 |
| betsy | yep | 17:36 |
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| betsy | I’ll miss working with y’all | 17:37 |
| betsy | Good luck with Designate. | 17:37 |
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| Kiall | Thanks :) | 17:37 |
| mugsie | ty | 17:37 |
| Kiall | So - who's filling your spot on the RAX DNS team? :) | 17:38 |
| jmcbride | TBD at the moment. | 17:38 |
| jmcbride | With Betsy transitioning, we are fortunate to be able to backfill the role. If you know anyone that would be a great asset to the Designate project, please let me know. I'd love to find someone as soon as possible. | 17:39 |
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| rjrjr_ | can they work from another state? 8^) | 17:39 |
| Kiall | jmcbride: we're competing for the same talent pool ;) | 17:39 |
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| jmcbride | Are you hiring too? | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | Yep .. We're looking for another person for our team | 17:40 |
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| jmcbride | I hate to mention this so quickly but with the conference next week it is a good chance for us to recruit from attendees. | 17:40 |
| Kiall | hah, yep :) | 17:40 |
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| jmcbride | Of course, sunny Texas is a great place to live ;) | 17:40 |
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| Kiall | Okay.. Any other topics before we crack a beer to wish betsy the best in the new team? ;) | 17:41 |
| timsim | mugsie, ekarlso, vinod1, are we going to do a dry run for the presentation tomorrow? | 17:41 |
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| vinod1 | i am up for it | 17:41 |
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| vinod1 | mugsie: did you get a chance to get the updated diagrams for pools? | 17:41 |
| mugsie | vinod1: nope - but i will do it before i leave tonight | 17:42 |
| rjrjr_ | is tuesday still the day for design sessions? | 17:42 |
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| mugsie | and, yeah I am up for a run though - will ping you for times in a bit | 17:42 |
| timsim | Alright, cool. That's it from me :) | 17:42 |
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| rjrjr_ | is tuesday still the day for design sessions in Paris? | 17:43 |
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| Kiall | Yep - No changes :( | 17:44 |
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| rjrjr_ | k | 17:44 |
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| Kiall | Okay .. Let's call it so.. | 17:45 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:45 |
| Kiall | Thanks all, and good luck betsy :) | 17:45 |
| betsy | thx | 17:45 |
| timsim | We'll miss you betsy :) | 17:45 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 29 17:46:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-10-29-17.00.html | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-10-29-17.00.txt | 17:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-10-29-17.00.log.html | 17:46 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 29 17:59:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | Giving folks a few minutes to get here. | 18:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:00 |
| mattgriffin | o/ | 18:00 |
| schang | o/ | 18:00 |
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| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | Agenda at: | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | denis_makogon: around? | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | Looking at this agenda, I have a couple of comments. | 18:03 |
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| denis_makogon | SlickNik, sure | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | We had decided that folks should refrain from putting individual code reviews on the agenda. | 18:04 |
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| denis_makogon | SlickNik, it's not about code review, it's about making concrete decision how to fix certain bug | 18:04 |
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| denis_makogon | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1220989 | 18:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1220989 in trove "Instance in backup status can be deleted which leaves the backup in NEW/BUILD state" [Low,In progress] | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: So why is the code review on the agenda? | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | Honestly, I'm still unclear on what's being brought up / proposed here. | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, there's no big difference if is not a LP link, since it's not a review request | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | You mention in the agenda that the review has a -2 from Auston for a design reason. | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | we have two ways for fixing this bug | 18:07 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | So is there an alternative that you are proposing? | 18:08 |
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| denis_makogon | SlickNik, Auston had alternative, that is described at review comments | 18:08 |
| denis_makogon | not on bug report | 18:08 |
| edmondk | It appears during the discussion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1220989 ikhudoshyn and hubcap liked the idea to mark backups as FAILED to allow delete | 18:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1220989 in trove "Instance in backup status can be deleted which leaves the backup in NEW/BUILD state" [Low,In progress] | 18:09 |
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| denis_makogon | edmondk, correct, that's actually what i did | 18:09 |
| edmondk | and Dennis is questioning Auston's -2 | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | edmondk, i'm not questioning why -2 | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | i'm here to discuss the proper way to fix given bug | 18:10 |
| edmondk | Or we decide on a new fix gotcha | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | edmondk, thanks =) | 18:10 |
| vipul | my 2 cents... if the bug is fixed as described a bug report.. we shouldn't -2.. rather commnet on the bug if you disagree | 18:11 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, sound reasonable | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | So, I'm saying that the folks involved in the review and design are yourself, amcrn and hub_cap. So it makes more seconds to talk with them on IRC to hash out a plan forward. | 18:12 |
| denis_makogon | so, we have two approaches - marking all running backups as FAILED and allow to delete instance, or add similar MGMT API for reseting backups | 18:12 |
| edmondk | Yeah agreed too much background knowledge required on this for us to come up with a solution in this meeting | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | more sense* | 18:12 |
| denis_makogon | ok, i get that | 18:13 |
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| denis_makogon | for next meeting me hub_cup and amcrn will report about this topic | 18:13 |
| grapex | o/ | 18:14 |
| amrith | may I ask why it has to be at this meeting? | 18:14 |
| amrith | Why not just have it as part of the review? | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | It's a small design decision for one code review — do we really need to spend everyone's meeting time on it? | 18:14 |
| tomblank | o/ | 18:14 |
| denis_makogon | amrith, more eyes, more feedbacks =) | 18:14 |
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| cp16net | sorry for the fashionably late entrance | 18:15 |
| amrith | denis_makogon, by that logic I'd like to add each and every review (outstanding) to this meeing. | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | +1 to having it just be part of the review. | 18:15 |
| amrith | -1 to discussing review's at this meeting. | 18:15 |
| denis_makogon | amrith, it's about design decision, but not reviewing code | 18:16 |
| cp16net | +1-1=0 | 18:16 |
| amrith | and design decisions can be discussed on IRC or in a code review. | 18:16 |
| denis_makogon | ok | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | Okay, let's move on to the next item | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | This seems to be another review :) | 18:17 |
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| denis_makogon | same, design decision | 18:17 |
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| denis_makogon | are we going to discuss it or skip it due to previous comments? | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | I'm reading the item, and I'm not sure what the design decision here even is. | 18:19 |
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| * amrith abstains since I'm an involved party on this review | 18:21 | |
| SlickNik | It looks like amrith made some comments on the review and you said you'd look into the checks. | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | So I'm not sure what the agenda item is for. | 18:22 |
| denis_makogon | there are two ways to fix given issue | 18:23 |
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| denis_makogon | we might need to choose suitable one | 18:23 |
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| denis_makogon | we can choose "early bird" - flexible framework that can handle different validation checks | 18:23 |
| denis_makogon | or made same validation that we have to regular/full backup | 18:24 |
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| SlickNik | denis_makogon: This is a bug-fix, I'm not sure we need to implement a different framework for it. | 18:24 |
| denis_makogon | the first one looks good, but, as amrith said, came a bit early | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | But whatever the case, please use the review to figure this out. | 18:25 |
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| denis_makogon | ok | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | And if you do put an item in the meeting's agenda, it would be good to follow the "Guidelines for Agenda Items" | 18:25 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, i did =) | 18:26 |
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| denis_makogon | if you have concerns about it, let's discuss if offline and proceed to the next item | 18:26 |
| denis_makogon | we have two more topics to go | 18:27 |
| edmondk | Just need the approaches inside the agenda item | 18:27 |
| edmondk | so everyone doesn't have to go through all the patch notes and review | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: +1, I'm not sure what the goal of the agenda item is, or what approaches are being advocated. | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | But let's move on in the interest of time. | 18:28 |
| amrith | if we're on to the third item, it looks like a review of an outline of a possible blueprint. | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | #topic https://gist.github.com/denismakogon/15561df6dc5ddc60ba74 | 18:28 |
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| amrith | so let's get a blueprint and then we can review it? | 18:28 |
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| denis_makogon | amrith, why can't we just discuss it and then file a BP ? | 18:29 |
| amrith | go right ahead. I just stated my opinion. Others already said they're not sure what the proposal is that we're going to discuss, but don't let me stop the discussion. | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: Because this isn't in the BP format. I don't know what API implications this has. | 18:31 |
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| SlickNik | It's also much easier to give feedback in gerrit, than in an ad-hoc manner in an IRC meeting. | 18:31 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, there's no API implications, or modifications, it's just refactoring existing CLI | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | That was the purpose of moving to specs. | 18:31 |
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| denis_makogon | it's not a spec, it's just a small proposal that can be evaluated into the BP | 18:32 |
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| denis_makogon | just wanted to discuss it first before writing a spec | 18:33 |
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| edmondk | Are you proposing different actions based upon the different datastores | 18:33 |
| denis_makogon | edmondk, yes, that's how clustering framework works | 18:34 |
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| edmondk | What happens if added another datastore that contains a new type. This doesn't seem very generic for trove | 18:34 |
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| peterstac | not just actions, possibly having different commands for each datastore | 18:34 |
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| edmondk | and it making the CLI very specific for specific types | 18:34 |
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| denis_makogon | that's the reason why i want to discuss it and find proper way to do what we need | 18:35 |
| edmondk | I thought the goal of a database as a service is it is agnostic to the actual DB type | 18:35 |
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| edmondk | making the actual client be aware of types defeats that goal | 18:35 |
| vipul | how about something along the lines of 'trove cluster-add' | 18:35 |
| vipul | why do you need to differentiate add_shard vs. add_node | 18:36 |
| vipul | edmondk: +1 | 18:36 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, shard term is specific for mongodb | 18:36 |
| edmondk | vipul: agreed, something like trove cluster-add or add-cluster is more generic and makes sense | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | I'm still unclear on how the CLI would know what datastore/cluster types are implemented by a provider | 18:36 |
| denis_makogon | edmondk, i agree with it too | 18:36 |
| vipul | right.. the cli commands should be generic.. the user knows they are adding a shard or a node | 18:36 |
| dougshelley66 | vipul +1 | 18:37 |
| vipul | based on the underlying datastore they are acting on | 18:37 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, it doesn't know | 18:37 |
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| dougshelley66 | wasn't the Clustering API supposed to be generic? | 18:37 |
| edmondk | yes | 18:38 |
| amrith | so it appears that the issue is that add_shard is too mongo specific. then shouldn't we just fix that and make add_shard deprecated and change the API to scaleup-cluster | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: If it doesn't know, then it's better to have something generic. | 18:38 |
| denis_makogon | dougshelley66, it suppose to be, but we did what we did =) | 18:38 |
| amrith | what you are proposing is more like a wrapper on a non-generic API to make it appear generic | 18:38 |
| amrith | why have this veneer, why not fix the underlying issue if that's what you think it is. | 18:38 |
| amrith | or let's leave it as mongodb-add-shard | 18:39 |
| amrith | and cassandra-add-node | 18:39 |
| denis_makogon | amrith, i'm just trying to find proper solution with help pof all of you | 18:39 |
| amrith | and the user knows what it is. | 18:39 |
| amrith | sounds like a perfect subject for a blueprint, if you ask me. | 18:39 |
| denis_makogon | as edmondk said, as DBaaS Trove should stay agnostic to all supported databases | 18:40 |
| denis_makogon | amrith, with changing an action - yes, completely agreed | 18:40 |
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| edmondk | If add_shard is already in the amrith mentioning deprecation is a good way to fix this and add something generic going forward | 18:40 |
| dougshelley66 | denis_makogon, it sounds like the guidance is to write a BP/spec that proposes a more generic solution for this | 18:40 |
| denis_makogon | dougshelley66, agreed | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | I'd be open to deprecating add_shard in favor of a more generic action across clusters. | 18:41 |
| denis_makogon | so, as i can see, there's no objection against changing action | 18:41 |
| amrith | denis_makogon, not here there isn't | 18:41 |
| dougshelley66 | denis_makogon, along the lines of what vipul proposed | 18:41 |
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| amrith | but if there's a bp and it is fully reviewed, expect others to participate as well and there may be objections. | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | But I'd like to see this thought out as a BP, so we can call out the implications. | 18:41 |
| amrith | heck, I may change my mind and think it's a bad idea later after reading in detail what it entails. | 18:42 |
| denis_makogon | sure, let's do this, i will try to assemble spec by the summit start and we'd be able to discuss it f2f and approve it right after Summit | 18:42 |
| denis_makogon | using regular workflow | 18:43 |
| denis_makogon | i'd try to bring Auston as initial reviewer for new spec | 18:43 |
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| denis_makogon | thanks | 18:43 |
| denis_makogon | that's all | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | Sounds good — let's move on to the next topic. | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | in the interest of time. | 18:44 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Allow users to retreive guest log files | 18:45 |
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| amrith | This item is not for discussion here. | 18:45 |
| amrith | But, since I know that everyone reads the agenda, this was a shamless advertisement to get the word out to people to take a look at this review, and provide feedback since we may not have a meeting on Monday. It proposes a different approach than earlier proposals. | 18:45 |
| amrith | It would be good to have consensus on this before Iccha has a mentee. | 18:45 |
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| amrith | Thanks | 18:45 |
| amrith | End of <non> discussion. | 18:45 |
| vipul | you type fast | 18:45 |
| amrith | if you have questions, post them in the review. | 18:45 |
| amrith | Vipul, yes I do! | 18:45 |
| dougshelley66 | vipul, he has a secretary do it | 18:45 |
| SlickNik | That was fast. | 18:46 |
| vipul | i figured.. perks | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:46 |
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| amrith | hey secretary, you weren't to say that on IRC. | 18:46 |
| dougshelley66 | crap...blew it again | 18:46 |
| dougshelley66 | so who is going to be in paris? | 18:46 |
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| denis_makogon | me | 18:47 |
| amrith | paris: +1 | 18:47 |
| vipul | o/ | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 18:47 |
| dougshelley66 | moi aussi | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | Speaking of the summit | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | The design sessions are now published at: http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 18:47 |
| denis_makogon | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/trove#.VFE2WXWSzQo | 18:48 |
| denis_makogon | i have question | 18:48 |
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| denis_makogon | are there any plans or schedule for meetup day? | 18:49 |
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| SlickNik | denis_makogon: You mean the trove contributors meetup? | 18:49 |
| denis_makogon | yes | 18:49 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | There's not any plans set in stone - I know some folks are planning to have discussions around certain topics with some of the others. | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | It's more of an open discussion where folks can bring up things they want to talk about. | 18:51 |
| denis_makogon | i get that | 18:52 |
| denis_makogon | thanks | 18:52 |
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| SlickNik | Anything else for open discussion? | 18:52 |
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| denis_makogon | if someone is interested i'd like to discuss how can we achieve deployment within multiple zones/regions | 18:52 |
| denis_makogon | during Contribution meetup | 18:53 |
| denis_makogon | also good question is cluster networking topology | 18:54 |
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| amrith | denis_makogon, are they on etherpad? let people signup that way. | 18:54 |
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| SlickNik | Thanks folks! | 18:55 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 29 18:55:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-10-29-17.59.html | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-10-29-17.59.txt | 18:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-10-29-17.59.log.html | 18:55 |
| denis_makogon | amrith, i'll add them | 18:55 |
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| amrith | thanks SlickNik | 18:55 |
| dougshelley66 | safe travels to all going to Paris | 18:55 |
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| sbalukoff | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 29 20:00:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sbalukoff. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| sbalukoff | howdy folks! | 20:00 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 20:00 |
| ajmiller | 0/ | 20:00 |
| ptoohill | o/ | 20:00 |
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| TrevorV | o/ | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Here's the agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Agenda | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Announcements and Updates | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements and Updates (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| rohara | o/ | 20:01 |
| sballe | o/ | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | The only announcement that I have is that I'm thinking next week's meeting will probably be cancelled, as half of us will be at the summit next week (and probably in the UDP load balancing session, given the usual time for this meeting in Paris) | 20:02 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:02 |
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| dougwig | seconded | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | If someone not going to the summit wants to run an Octavia meeting, y'all should feel free. Otherwise, I'm hoping we can collaborate with y'all online as we discuss things and hack code throughout the week. | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | Does anyone else have announcements they'd like to share? | 20:02 |
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| sballe | how about the neutron lbaas meeting next week? | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff I think just keeping us in the loop with conversations is a great idea | 20:03 |
| rm_work | I just had an AWESOME german sausage sandwich | 20:03 |
| rm_work | that's my only announcement | 20:03 |
| dougwig | sballe: planning to cancel that as well, but will ask tomorrow | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | :) | 20:03 |
| sballe | :) ok | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, on to the next topic... | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Reviews Needing Attention ( https://review.openstack.org/#/q/stackforge/octavia+status:open,n,z ) | 20:04 |
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| blogan | i think we've gotten some good comments on most of those that aren't WIP | 20:04 |
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| sbalukoff | We've actually got quite a few in there that don't have "-1" workflow, and also don't have enough "-1" love for actual reviews. | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Yes-- that's true. | 20:05 |
| dougwig | i can do some tomorrow, and more on saturday (in transit) | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Definitely more activity this last week (thanks y'all!) | 20:05 |
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| blogan | i still need to push the docstring updates tot eh operator-api code, but probably won't get that done until this weekend or next | 20:05 |
| ajmiller | Regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130002/, I am actively working on addressing the comments, will have another patch later today. | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | Things are going to be a little chaotic with the summit, but let's please keep up the momentum in reviewing, eh! | 20:06 |
| TrevorV | awesome ajmiller, looking forward to it! | 20:06 |
| sballe | I'll do more reviews tomorrow too. I have some time again | 20:06 |
| blogan | sballe: did you get a chacne to look at seqdiag? | 20:06 |
| TrevorV | I'm gone for most of this weekend, but I'll have a significant amount of work to do while you guys are at the summit. After you return I might start pestering again for reviews on the new content though :D | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | I've got a couple things to say about the Amphora API as well, but I'll wait until a little later for that. | 20:06 |
| sballe | I am doing that next | 20:06 |
| sballe | blogan: should be done before lunch tomorrow | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Cool. | 20:07 |
| blogan | great | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, we'll get updates on specific reviews a little later in this meeting. | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | For now, let's move on to the next topic | 20:08 |
| rm_work | sballe: this is super useful for debugging/learning: http://blockdiag.appspot.com/seqdiag/ | 20:08 |
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| sbalukoff | #topic Octavia hack-a-thon in December (sbalukoff) | 20:08 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, so! | 20:08 |
| blogan | no rackers :( | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | Let's do a hack-a-thon on Octavia in December. | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | I was thinking the week of Dec 8th. | 20:08 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: I'll probably be in WA in december | 20:08 |
| rm_work | though not that early | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | And in Seattle. | 20:08 |
| sballe | +1 on the Hackathon | 20:08 |
| sballe | Seatlle +1 | 20:09 |
| xgerman | +1 and HP can host | 20:09 |
| jorgem | lol | 20:09 |
| sballe | sbalukoff: HP is happy to host it | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | Blue Box could host it, or if HP wants to, I'm game for either. | 20:09 |
| blogan | Rackspace is happy not to attend | 20:09 |
| TrevorV | ha ha ha | 20:09 |
| dougwig | i'll do to whichever site has cold red bull. | 20:09 |
| xgerman | blogan: Roadtrip? | 20:09 |
| rm_work | I can be up there starting the 8th if Rackspace has no problem letting me work up there through January (I was planning to take several weeks vacation there anyway) | 20:09 |
| dougwig | /do/go/ | 20:09 |
| jorgem | unless HP acquires us | 20:09 |
| sballe | dougwig: We do! :) | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Your budgets are freed up after the new year, right? | 20:09 |
| dougwig | sballe: :) | 20:09 |
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| sbalukoff | maybe we can do another hack-a-thon in late January / early February. | 20:09 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: more so than this year, but who knows what will be approved | 20:10 |
| blogan | jorgem needs to look into that | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | Right. | 20:10 |
| ptoohill | yea, not something to count on unfortunately | 20:10 |
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| sbalukoff | Well, or we could all head down to San Antonio again then or something. | 20:10 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:10 |
| ptoohill | :/ | 20:10 |
| blogan | out of pure principal I would not want that | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | Anyway, other than the RAXers not having budget to travel, any objections to that week or location? | 20:10 |
| rm_work | just because Rackspace is cheap... | 20:10 |
| rm_work | i don't recommend caving to them being stingy <_< | 20:11 |
| dougwig | tax charity... | 20:11 |
| ptoohill | lol | 20:11 |
| rohara | warmer there in Dec compared to here | 20:11 |
| dougwig | /tax/rax/ | 20:11 |
| dougwig | dya | 20:11 |
| rm_work | I'll try to work out being there sbalukoff <_< | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | That would be great, Adam! | 20:11 |
| blogan | you dont want him there | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, Suzanne and German: Shall we work out the details offline? | 20:11 |
| sballe | sbalukoff: I would like to do Tues, Wed so we can travel on Mon | 20:12 |
| dougwig | i'm in, at either location. | 20:12 |
| TrevorV | If you waited for the week of the 15th my birthday would be rolled in :P | 20:12 |
| sballe | sbalukoff: yes | 20:12 |
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| xgerman | yes | 20:12 |
| sballe | dougwig: good. it about 1/2 mile from each other :) | 20:12 |
| dougwig | heh, i meant seattle or san antonio. | 20:12 |
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| rm_work | lol | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | #action Hack-a-thon to be in Seattle during week of Dec. 8. sbalukoff, sballe, and xgerman to work out specifics and announce on mailing list | 20:12 |
| rohara | haha | 20:12 |
| sballe | dougwig: Oh I thougth you meant BlueBox or HP :) | 20:13 |
| dougwig | that too. | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Yeah, my birthday is the 17th. | 20:13 |
| TrevorV | YOU LIAR!!!! | 20:13 |
| xgerman | we will attach a Google Map with driving directions San Antonio - Seattle :-) | 20:13 |
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| TrevorV | sbalukoff and I have the same birth date | 20:13 |
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| sballe | Cool! | 20:13 |
| rm_work | day, not date, I would assume :) | 20:13 |
| rohara | my birthday is today. for real. | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: I'm not sure you want to advertise that. You know, having the same birthdate as a despot. | 20:13 |
| blogan | mine is the 18th | 20:13 |
| rm_work | happy birthday rohara :) | 20:14 |
| blogan | happy birthday rohara!! | 20:14 |
| TrevorV | happy birthday rohara !! | 20:14 |
| rohara | thanks. 40. | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | Happy birthday, rohara! | 20:14 |
| xgerman | happy b-day | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | Over the hill, even. | 20:14 |
| rohara | sbalukoff: was birthdays on the agenda? | 20:14 |
| rm_work | ah, and it's a milestone birthday to boot! | 20:14 |
| dougwig | nice, happy bday | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | rohara: It is now. | 20:14 |
| rohara | sweet | 20:14 |
| TrevorV | Honestly though, I will probably go to that hackathon on my own dime since I want to go see seattle | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Happy Birthday rohara | 20:14 |
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| rohara | hahaha | 20:14 |
| sballe | lol | 20:14 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, next topic! | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Discussion with API working group (jaypipes) | 20:14 |
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| rohara | no i liek this one | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | Is jaypipes present? | 20:14 |
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| dougwig | he's on the channel list. | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | This is going to be more difficult to discuss with him not active. | 20:15 |
| dougwig | maybe move ahead, and we can come back to this if he appears. | 20:15 |
| blogan | i looked at some of their requirements | 20:16 |
| sballe | good strategy | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | Well, first of all, has everyone ready the ML discussion on this? | 20:16 |
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| sbalukoff | Actually, that's a good plan. | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | We'll come back to this if he shows up. | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Progress reports | 20:16 |
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| sbalukoff | blogan: Update on the operator API? | 20:17 |
| blogan | still need to add and push the docstrings but teh code can be reviewed | 20:17 |
| blogan | the docstrigns update probably won't be pushed until this weekend or next week, lots to do | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | Cool. I will say: If you haven't looked yet, it's basically the Octavia variant of the LBaaS v2 user API right now. The idea here is to get a base to start from and flesh out operator specifics in later updates. | 20:18 |
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| sbalukoff | blogan: I hear you. | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, let's see... | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | Amphora API | 20:18 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, that's me and davidlenwell | 20:18 |
| blogan | i wantt o finish the amphora lifecycle doc first because a lot of work can come out of that | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | Oh, ok. | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | (Sorry, didn't mean to cut you off there.) | 20:19 |
| blogan | oh i cut you off | 20:19 |
| blogan | but im done now | 20:19 |
| blogan | proceed | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | Heh | 20:19 |
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| sballe | blogan: I am interested inthe amphora lifecycle. How can I participate? | 20:19 |
| blogan | sballe: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130424/ | 20:20 |
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| blogan | thats a WIP but you can add feedback | 20:20 |
| sballe | thanks | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, so Amphora API: The spec is in, please review. Only major plan I have to change it right now (unless I hear back from y'all otherwise) is to remove the TLS certificate retrieval methods. | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | There's no reason the Amphora should ever send the private key data over the wire again once it has it. | 20:20 |
| blogan | what abouto the /action? | 20:20 |
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| blogan | vs the query parameter | 20:20 |
| blogan | its minor i nkow | 20:21 |
| dougwig | network driver and neutron implementation (dougwig) - same as last week; expect something this weekend or early next week. | 20:21 |
| rm_work | sballe: there's also stuff about the Amphora lifecycle in the TLS Data Security CR (look at the seqdiags): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130659/ | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | But! We might replace it with a method which allows the amphora to print the modulus of the key/cert and other meta-data, so the driver can query this without having to just overwrite what's there every time. | 20:21 |
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| rm_work | sbalukoff: ^^ to what you were saying, that stuff is detailed in the review i just linked | 20:21 |
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| sbalukoff | blogan: I like that suggestion too, and am planning on making that change per your suggestion. | 20:21 |
| blogan | yes do my bidding | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | Hah! | 20:22 |
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| blogan | oh and 409 instead of 503? | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | Never let it be said that this dictator didn't listen to his peons. | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 20:22 |
| blogan | im just a serf | 20:22 |
| rm_work | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKKP_cZuk54 | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: I'm still thinking 503 is appropriate for those particular scenarios. | 20:22 |
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| jorgem | what does nova do? | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | (ie. topology transition in progress should be a 503 error) | 20:23 |
| jorgem | err…return? | 20:23 |
| rm_work | nova is 409 | 20:23 |
| jorgem | ah well then | 20:23 |
| jorgem | consistincy? | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | Does nova have a congruent scenario? | 20:23 |
| xgerman | jorgem +1 | 20:23 |
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| blogan | 503 says its unavailable bc of overload or maintenance, to me thats server maintenacne, doesn't ahve anythign to do with teh actual entity | 20:23 |
| dougwig | this is octavia, it must be time for a vote. | 20:23 |
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| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:24 |
| sballe | lol | 20:24 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: yeah when a server is in a state not ACTIVE, it can be rebooted, restarted, etc, so it returns 409 | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | Seriously, what does Nova actually return when an asynchronous command is in progress? | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | Aah. | 20:24 |
| xgerman | 202 | 20:24 |
| blogan | it can't be rebooted | 20:24 |
| jorgem | are you advocating using the retry-after header as well sbalukoff? | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: I hadn't mentioned that specifically, but it's not a bad idea. | 20:24 |
| blogan | 409 is consistent, and makes the most sense | 20:25 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: That would be nice but very hard to implement I would say | 20:25 |
| rm_work | 409 is for when this happens on non-aynch | 20:25 |
| rm_work | *non-asynch | 20:25 |
| blogan | adn this is one of thos minor things that can take a while to agree on, but the Amphora API is an interface that the controller will be talkign to, so it has to be right | 20:25 |
| dougwig | yeah, because we don't control both halves. | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | haha | 20:26 |
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| sbalukoff | I'm not vehemently opposed to 409 here... it makes little difference to the workflow, in my mind. | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | So, sure... I'll change it to a 409 error. | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | Anything else? | 20:27 |
| jorgem | you buckle fast :) | 20:27 |
| ptoohill | The little people do have a voice! | 20:27 |
| blogan | im satisfied with my wins, i will shut up now | 20:27 |
| jorgem | lol | 20:27 |
| sballe | BTW Thanks to everybody who gave https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101281/10 a +1. It merged! | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: I pick my battles. This one isn't that important in the long run. :) | 20:27 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: touche sir...touche | 20:27 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok! | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: network driver and neutron implementation | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | Status update/ | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | ? | 20:28 |
| dougwig | look up about 30 status codes ago. | 20:28 |
| blogan | he gave it up | 20:28 |
| blogan | i mean he gave it up top | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | Aah, ok. | 20:28 |
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| sballe | :) | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | Is johnsom here today? | 20:28 |
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| xgerman | he has been pulled for a week long special project | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:29 |
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| xgerman | but will be back Monday | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | So, I know that davidlenwell has some ideas which should speed development of that part. | 20:29 |
| blogan | xgerman: is this frankenlibra? | 20:30 |
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| xgerman | in a sense... | 20:30 |
| sbalukoff | I'm concerned that it's been weeks since we've heard from him. I'll try contacting him directly. | 20:30 |
| sbalukoff | (Because this is very quickly going to become a blocker for the amphora API work.) | 20:31 |
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| sbalukoff | Anyway, next... | 20:31 |
| davidlenwell | sbalukoff: are you referring to the creating an image task using disk image builder ? | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: amphora-driver-interface | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | davidlenwell: yes. | 20:31 |
| xgerman | yes, we started implementation work | 20:31 |
| davidlenwell | want me to just do that? | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: We've yet to see any code committed. | 20:31 |
| xgerman | yes, we will commit before the week ends | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: And little communication | 20:32 |
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| davidlenwell | in a distributed project sometimes others have to puck up the slack | 20:32 |
| davidlenwell | no hard feelings | 20:32 |
| xgerman | amphora-driver-interface: code is coming | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | Also, I think this problem has mostly been solved by other projects. | 20:32 |
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| sbalukoff | Welcome, johnsom_! | 20:33 |
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| sbalukoff | I imagine you've just heard we were talking about the base image progress. | 20:33 |
| johnsom_ | I heard you were looking for me... Sweet to be missed.... | 20:33 |
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| johnsom_ | Ah, spec is done, I have done some exploratory work. Is it blocking someone? | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom_: So the base image stuff is going to become a blocker for the amphora API work fairly soon. And David has been able to find how the diskimagebuilder stuff has been handled in other projects. | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | How far along are you on the code? | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | I'm inclined to just have David take a crack at it at this point. | 20:35 |
| johnsom_ | Yeah, I am leveraging Sahara's scripts and adapting for our needs | 20:35 |
| jaypipes | sbalukoff: sorry, here now :( | 20:35 |
| davidlenwell | johnsom_: did you see this ? https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tripleo-image-elements/tree/elements/haproxy | 20:35 |
| sballe | hi jaypipes | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | jaypipes: Sounds good. We'll come back to your topic in a few minutes. | 20:35 |
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| jaypipes | sbalukoff, sballe: cheers | 20:35 |
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| dougwig | little did i think that meant no one typing for a few minutes. | 20:36 |
| johnsom_ | Yes, I have seen the tripleo elements, which we will borrow from. I have not looked at the haproxy element yet. | 20:36 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom_: Can you commit the code you've written thus far this week? | 20:37 |
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| johnsom_ | No, I'm not ready to commit code on this. | 20:37 |
| blogan | thats what WIP is for really | 20:38 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, then please don't be offended if I ask David to take a crack at it as soon as we need it for the amphora API code. | 20:38 |
| johnsom_ | I put it on the back burner while getting a first draft of a controller spec drafted. I wanted to have a starting point for that spec out and getting chewed up while I did the code on disk image | 20:38 |
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| johnsom_ | I'm not sure I see the dependency | 20:39 |
| johnsom_ | So, help me help you. When do you think you need the disk image code? | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | David, when do you think you'll need it? | 20:40 |
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| blogan | davidlenwell? | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | Also, johnsom_: I'm mostly concerned that you've had this blueprint for weeks and we've not heard or seen any progress on it until now. I've got a couple people from EMC and elsewhere interested in working on Octavia, and we can't have people effectively squatting on blueprints or code. | 20:41 |
| rm_work | oh snap | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | Again, in a distributed project sometimes others have to pick up the slack-- there's no offense meant by this. | 20:42 |
| intr1nsic | I'd like to volunteer to help if needed. | 20:42 |
| johnsom_ | That was certainly not my intention sbalukoff | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | Very few of us do Octavia full-time, or as a primary role of our job. | 20:42 |
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| blogan | i think iterating in gerrit with WIPs would solve a lot of this | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | And people disappear unexpectedly because the circumstances of their involvement change. | 20:43 |
| johnsom_ | I am happy to prioritize it, I just need to understand the dependency and timing | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | And people disappear unexpectedly because the circumstances of their involvement change. This was the reason, in last weeks meeting, I brought up the the point "If it's not in gerrit, it doesn't exist." | 20:43 |
| xgerman | we still haven't heard when you exactly need it | 20:43 |
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| jorgem | Remember the neutron lbaas weekly standup doc I made a long time ago? That identified blockers which will help identify "when" in a relative sense. | 20:44 |
| jorgem | WIP will work too for this I think | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | I don't have an exact date on when we'll need it for the amphora API. We probably won't be able to effectively test the amphora API without it. | 20:45 |
| jorgem | I actually think WIP makes the most sense | 20:45 |
| johnsom_ | I understand sbalukoff. I am sure you can understand the amount of effort going into the controller spec design work. I made the trade off because I didn't see any burning need for the diskimage code and I expect the spec will need a lot of discussion time. | 20:45 |
| xgerman | jorgem, I only saw one blocker -- that the image script is neede now is news to me | 20:45 |
| sballe | xgerman: +1 | 20:46 |
| jorgem | xgerman: This is all news to me since I've been working on other stuff I'm just stating what I see from an outside perspective. Will WIP not work? | 20:46 |
| johnsom_ | So, heard, people are interested in this code. | 20:46 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom_: My impression is that you're being pulled into other things at HP. I've got people wanting to work on both of these things now, and I'm in the position of trying not to offend you by saying "if you don't have time to work on it right now, I'd rather have people who do have time right now work on it." | 20:46 |
| blogan | xgerman: I think just getting code up where everyone can see progress is beneficial int he logn run for everyone. Feedback is great to have | 20:46 |
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| rm_work | i think the point is that there are new people looking for stuff to do, and if you're not actively working on something for a while, someone else could be doing it instead | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | It's not a matter of deadlines, per se-- it's a matter of taking advantage of developer time while we've got it. | 20:46 |
| rm_work | why complain about someone taking your work? so you have... less work to do? :P | 20:46 |
| dougwig | can i suggest that the folks involved in this scheduling/priority thing talk about this offline, and we move on to other topics? | 20:46 |
| xgerman | dogwig +1 | 20:47 |
| xgerman | dougwig +1 | 20:47 |
| johnsom_ | Last I looked, there are still a lot of un-assigned blueprints | 20:47 |
| rm_work | oh man i need a minute to photoshop a dogwig | 20:47 |
| jorgem | dougwig: +1 I think we've identified a communication topic | 20:47 |
| blogan | dougwig: +1 need to get jaypipes topic here | 20:47 |
| rm_work | also mine: | 20:47 |
| rm_work | TLS Data Security overview is up and ready for review -- need lots of eyes on it since it's about security :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130659/ | 20:47 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, let's go back to jaypipes' topic for now. | 20:47 |
| johnsom_ | I'm not complaining about anything rm_work. Just news to me that this was an issue. | 20:48 |
| rm_work | and I'm actually close to finished with the actual interface and implementation for CertManager -- which I'll hold off on posting until the spec gets solidified more | 20:48 |
| xgerman | johnsom_ +1 | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Discussion with API working group (jaypipes) | 20:48 |
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| sbalukoff | jaypipes? You have the floor. | 20:48 |
| jaypipes | sbalukoff: hi :) so really I just wanted to know if the Octavia LBaaS API spec was published somewhere that the API WG can take a look at .. | 20:49 |
| blogan | jaypipes: i sent you the spec for it in the ML | 20:49 |
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| blogan | jaypipes: docs have not been created though | 20:49 |
| sballe | blogan: have about the doc Min created? | 20:50 |
| blogan | jaypipes: is this up-to-date? https://github.com/openstack/api-wg | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | It's pretty close to Neutron LBaaS v2, with the exception of not having a ton of root-level objects. | 20:50 |
| blogan | sballe: no that was for the neutron lbaas v2 | 20:50 |
| jaypipes | blogan: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122338/1/specs/version0.5/operator-api.rst is just the operator API, though, no? | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | Er... methods. | 20:50 |
| sballe | sbalukoff: +1 | 20:50 |
| blogan | jaypipes: well it'll be a superset of the user api, so thats why right now it only has user api calls | 20:51 |
| blogan | jaypipes: it is just a starting point to iterate off of | 20:51 |
| jaypipes | gotcha | 20:51 |
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| jaypipes | blogan: this is a big spec... :) | 20:52 |
| jaypipes | kind of an all-in-one spec... | 20:52 |
| dougwig | blogan never sleeps, near as i can tell. | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:53 |
| blogan | jaypipes: indeed, and really probably missing details you might need | 20:53 |
| jaypipes | blogan: well, there's lots of details, which is great... I'd love to see the proposal use JSONSchema and JSONHome for payload and route discovery, respectively, but this is a good start,. | 20:53 |
| blogan | jaypipes: we're using wsme for the json deserialization | 20:54 |
| jaypipes | blogan: do you and the Octavia community mind if the API WG adopt the Octavia API as the first API we actively advise on and use as an example? | 20:54 |
| blogan | jaypipes: that seemed to be the way openstack projects were going (ironic) | 20:54 |
| blogan | jaypipes: would be great | 20:54 |
| blogan | well i dont object, anyone else? | 20:54 |
| jaypipes | blogan: yeah, the API WG is more concerned about the structure of the REST API resources, not as much (right now at least) on what libs or whatever is used for implementation. | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | I don't object either. | 20:54 |
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| jaypipes | blogan: things like terminology, response code standards, payload structure, etc... those are the things we're interested in maintaining (or forcing I guess) some consistency on. | 20:55 |
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| dougwig | i think it's a good idea, as long as we don't get pulled into political ratholes. then, i would object. | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | jaypipes: What would you say their timeline is on providing feedback? | 20:55 |
| rohara | haha | 20:55 |
| jaypipes | blogan: however, we're not an enforcing agency as yet :) just advisory. | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 20:55 |
| blogan | jaypipes: okay sounds good, that'll definitely help with consistency across all openstack apis | 20:55 |
| blogan | jaypipes: i'm sure most advice that is given will be accepted | 20:56 |
| TrevorV | jaypipes forgive me, but are you saying it doesn't REALLY matter if we use WSME as long as the behavior according to the API is consistent with other openstack APIs? | 20:56 |
| jaypipes | sbalukoff: well, I think within the next few weeks, definitely. basically, we're just now starting to create proposals for these REST API standards, and since Octavia's API is newly-proposed, it's a good one to pick as a joint "let's see where this goes" effort | 20:56 |
| dougwig | jaypipes: doubly so for us, since everyone on this team is a relative newcomer to openstack. | 20:57 |
| jaypipes | TrevorV: correct. AFAIK, the API WG isn't making any stand on particular libraries to use. The standard in OpenStack broadly is WSME/Pecan, though. I'm just saying that's not of concern for the API WG. | 20:57 |
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| xgerman | as long as we are not guinea pigs :-) | 20:57 |
| TrevorV | Alright, that's great | 20:57 |
| TrevorV | thanks for the clarification jaypipes | 20:58 |
| jaypipes | xgerman: no, it's more the other way arouind... we're asking permission to use the things that come up in the Octavia API design conversations as ways for *us* to derive standards discussions. | 20:58 |
| rm_work | dogwig: http://i.imgur.com/3Z0Tey0.jpg (shitty photoshop) | 20:58 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:58 |
| xgerman | jaypipes I like that :-) | 20:58 |
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| jaypipes | xgerman: so it's more like *we're* the guinea pigs, not the other way round. | 20:59 |
| blogan | jaypipes: how will future collaboration happen? | 20:59 |
| rohara | rm_work: octavia mascot imho | 20:59 |
| xgerman | cool :-) | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, we're almost out of time here. Anyone else have something they want to say in the last 30 seconds? | 20:59 |
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| jaypipes | xgerman: basically, we have this openstack/api-wg repo that members of the WG are proposing standards as Gerrit patches/reviews to. | 20:59 |
| dougwig | happy halloween. | 20:59 |
| jorgem | yes | 20:59 |
| rohara | sbalukoff: i have code for client lib/tool | 20:59 |
| rohara | that is all | 20:59 |
| TrevorV | https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD19BCF9D57320E03 | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | rohara: Nice! | 20:59 |
| blogan | rohara: push it ot gerrit as a WIP | 20:59 |
| jaypipes | and we're looking to "resolve" all the controversial questions that often come up in API designs by submitting proposals to that repo that get voted on. | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | Yes, please push it! | 21:00 |
| jorgem | xgerman: sballe: and really everyone, could you all respond to the usage ML thread I have going on please? | 21:00 |
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| jaypipes | blogan: see above... | 21:00 |
| xgerman | yes, will do! | 21:00 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, thanks folks! | 21:00 |
| sbalukoff | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| sballe | jorgem: on the logging. yes I have it on my list | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 29 21:00:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-10-29-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| xgerman | (though I linked a spec) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-10-29-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| jorgem | xgerman: sballe: thx! | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-10-29-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| TrevorV | \o | 21:00 |
| blogan | jaypipes: do you have an irc channel? | 21:00 |
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| jaypipes | blogan: I'll work with you guys to put together patches to that api-wg repo (I'll do the patch pushes, with your consultation).. | 21:00 |
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| jorgem | #openstack-lbaas | 21:00 |
| jaypipes | blogan: no, we do not. we're just now starting the thing up.. :) | 21:01 |
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| jorgem | jaypipes: ^^ for IRC channel | 21:01 |
| rohara | jaypipes: i'll try to attent to summit session for this | 21:01 |
| blogan | jaypipes: oh okay, join the #openstack-lbaas channel if you need to get ahold of us | 21:01 |
| blogan | oh jorgem beat me to it | 21:01 |
| jaypipes | anyway, I'll write something up on the ML for discussion. bottom line, I was just looking to you all as a good pick for a colloborative team to work with on proposals for API design consistency | 21:01 |
| jaypipes | blogan: will do | 21:01 |
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| jaypipes | ok guys :) | 21:02 |
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| jaypipes | thx for letting me ramble :) | 21:02 |
| blogan | jaypipes: np, one more question | 21:02 |
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| blogan | jaypipes: it may be the case that octavia nor its API never gets into openstack, will that matter for you? | 21:02 |
| jaypipes | blogan: nope, it's all the same to us. | 21:03 |
| blogan | jaypipes: excellent | 21:03 |
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| jaypipes | proposed, official, intergrated, whatevs :) | 21:03 |
| dougwig | consistency among the openstack APIs might cause my brain to melt. | 21:03 |
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| jaypipes | consistency of the REST API design is the biggest driver for the working group. | 21:03 |
| blogan | jaypipes: looking forward to it | 21:03 |
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| jaypipes | coolio. thx much all! | 21:03 |
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