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| irenab | hi | 13:03 |
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| irenab | anyone here for pci_meeting? | 13:09 |
| rpothier | hi | 13:09 |
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| irenab | #startmeeting pci_meeting | 13:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 13:11:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is irenab. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:11 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_meeting' | 13:11 |
| baoli | Hi | 13:11 |
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| irenab | baoli: I just started the meeting | 13:11 |
| heyongli | hi | 13:11 |
| baoli | sorry, working on patches. forgot about the meeting | 13:11 |
| heyongli | i late also | 13:12 |
| heyongli | networking isuure | 13:12 |
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| irenab | lets make just short update if you do not have any more issue for today, ok? | 13:12 |
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| heyongli | i notice the request object patch give exception while no pci request in the instance, i think this is might overkill, i leave comment on that | 13:13 |
| baoli | I started integrating the patches with the refactoring, hopefully I can have all the patches up end of the day | 13:13 |
| irenab | baoli: I'll follow, once you upload, will review | 13:13 |
| baoli | heyongli: I addressed that in the wrong patch, and I just corrected a moment ago | 13:13 |
| baoli | irenab, that would be great, thanks! | 13:14 |
| baoli | heyongli: I noticed that jenkins failure was caused by the exception | 13:14 |
| baoli | heyongli, irenab, have you guys tested resize with PCI devices? | 13:15 |
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| irenab | baoli: no, just usual create/erminate flows | 13:15 |
| heyongli | resize have been test ever | 13:15 |
| heyongli | but not test on sriov | 13:16 |
| irenab | baoli: do you expect some problem there? | 13:16 |
| baoli | heyongli: I'm not sure it's due to my testbed, but resize doesn't work with the generic pci passthrough | 13:16 |
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| irenab | baoli: taking the patches today, should it work? | 13:16 |
| heyongli | ooh, maybe | 13:16 |
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| heyongli | long time ago it been tested, it seems broken if not working now | 13:17 |
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| baoli | irenab, given all the changes coming in, I think the sr-iov patches may not work any more. So wait until I have all the updates pushed up. | 13:17 |
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| irenab | baoli: can you please send some email once all patches are up? | 13:18 |
| baoli | irenab: sure | 13:18 |
| irenab | even if there is a problem with resize, we can follow with bug fix anter FFE | 13:19 |
| irenab | s/anter/after | 13:19 |
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| baoli | heyongli: if a VM doesn't have pci devices, and resized with PCI devices, it's no longer accessible after resizing. If a VM does have pci devices, after resizing with more PCI devices, the resulting xml would have wrong number of pci devices. | 13:19 |
| baoli | irenab, we need to put this in the kilo list | 13:20 |
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| heyongli | i check the resize on common pci passthrough and dig out what's wrong | 13:20 |
| heyongli | i will | 13:20 |
| baoli | heyongli: that sounds great! | 13:20 |
| irenab | baoli: let's verify if it works and if not, will add it to Kilo list | 13:21 |
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| baoli | irenab, sounds good | 13:21 |
| heyongli | pci lack of gate testing , maybe a CI, so it might broken while more patches get merged | 13:21 |
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| baoli | anything else? Otherwise, I will go back to work | 13:22 |
| baoli | let's hope that we can get everything in by the end of Friday | 13:22 |
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| irenab | baoli: if there is anything I can help, just ping. Even if means to test something, feel free | 13:23 |
| irenab | to ask | 13:23 |
| baoli | irenab, sure. | 13:23 |
| irenab | ok, so good luck! | 13:23 |
| irenab | see you next week | 13:24 |
| heyongli | see you | 13:24 |
| baoli | see you. | 13:24 |
| irenab | #endmeeting | 13:24 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 13:24:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_meeting/2014/pci_meeting.2014-09-09-13.11.html | 13:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_meeting/2014/pci_meeting.2014-09-09-13.11.txt | 13:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_meeting/2014/pci_meeting.2014-09-09-13.11.log.html | 13:24 |
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| sc68cal | hi, sorry for the slow start, is anyone here for the neutron ipv6 subteam meeting? | 15:11 |
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| aveiga | o/ | 15:11 |
| johnbelamaric | o/ | 15:14 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 15:16 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 15:16:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:16 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:16 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 15:16 |
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| sc68cal | sorry, I'm sick in bed - probably should have sent an e-mail cancelling | 15:17 |
| johnbelamaric | sorry to hear that | 15:17 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp is not able to attend - but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103811/ is in progress and will address the -1 | 15:18 |
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| johnbelamaric | i am relatively new to openstack, and have been trying to determine the current status of IPv6 in juno - i hope you don't mind me asking here | 15:18 |
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| johnbelamaric | is neutron-l3-agent support implemented now, it sounded like most of the blueprints have been merged? | 15:19 |
| sc68cal | johnbelamaric: we have support for ipv6 in Juno. Documentation needs to be written to help guide users | 15:20 |
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| sc68cal | in how to use | 15:21 |
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| johnbelamaric | great, thanks. are there still issues with dual stack? it sounded from previous meeting minutes there were some | 15:22 |
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| aveiga | dual-stack should work fine, however it's not full faeture parity | 15:22 |
| aveiga | i.e. there are no floats yet, etc | 15:22 |
| aveiga | security groups work though, and so do almost all of the provisioning methods. | 15:23 |
| aveiga | there is also no config-drive support yet due to the hard-coding of a v4 addr | 15:23 |
| johnbelamaric | no floats for ipv6 or just when running dual stack? just trying to understand current limitations | 15:23 |
| aveiga | no floats for v6 | 15:23 |
| aveiga | I plan to file that one when K opens up | 15:23 |
| johnbelamaric | ok | 15:23 |
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| SridharG | johnbelamaric: the following patch would also be a useful addition - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77471/ | 15:24 |
| johnbelamaric | yeah, i saw that is abandoned | 15:24 |
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| SridharG | aveiga: I remember reading an email thread where it was suggested to use config-drive until metadata over IPv6 is supported. | 15:25 |
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| aveiga | SridharG: I get those backward all the time | 15:25 |
| SridharG | aveiga: does config drive have issues with IPv6? | 15:25 |
| aveiga | yes, it's the metadata IP that's wrong | 15:25 |
| sc68cal | metadata IP is a v4 only API | 15:26 |
| sc68cal | comes from Amazon, uses a link local ipv4 address | 15:26 |
| SridharG | aveiga: sc68cal: yes you are right. | 15:26 |
| sc68cal | if/when Amazon changes it to support IPv6, we can emulate | 15:26 |
| HenryG | It should still work unless you completely turn off your IPv4 stack somehow. | 15:27 |
| SridharG | sc68cal: any idea if Amazon has plans to support EC2 over IPv6? | 15:27 |
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| aveiga | lol | 15:28 |
| SridharG | got the email thread - https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg28671.html | 15:28 |
| aveiga | HenryG: last I checked, nova won't build an instance without a v4? | 15:29 |
| HenryG | aveiga: I haven't been keeping track. It doesn't surprise me though. | 15:29 |
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| sc68cal | yeah Nova requires a v4 address | 15:30 |
| HenryG | We need to expand our scope to Nova and get that addressed. | 15:30 |
| aveiga | +1 | 15:30 |
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| HenryG | (Pun intended.) | 15:30 |
| aveiga | it's mostly been a battle of getting basic working first, though | 15:30 |
| sc68cal | Mark McClain has some experience with a hack to nova to make it work with v6 only | 15:31 |
| aveiga | we can spread out now that full DS provisioning works in Juno | 15:31 |
| sc68cal | it's somewhat nasty, but perhaps we can engage him to get a fix | 15:31 |
| SridharG | Any idea if IPv6 is supported with Tenant Overlay networks (GRE/VxLANs)? | 15:32 |
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| aveiga | SridharG: I doubt it; we haven't tested any of this yet. By a fluke some of them may work, depending on the driver | 15:32 |
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| SridharG | aveiga: ok. | 15:33 |
| HenryG | Why wouldn't it work? | 15:33 |
| * HenryG needs to try it out | 15:34 | |
| SridharG | aveiga: I was looking at GRE/VxLANs support for IPv6 and found that IPv6 support in GRE is added in Linux Kernel 3.7 and VxLAN in 3.12 Kernel. | 15:34 |
| aveiga | the same reason lots of things that should work dual-stacked may not: bad programming practices like accepting only INTs or not allowing a : in an address or letters | 15:34 |
| aveiga | I'm not saying underlying GRE shouldn't work, just that implementations likely don't | 15:35 |
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| aveiga | for instance, anything relying on lpop is IPv4 only since they never implemented neighbor discovery | 15:35 |
| aveiga | l2pop* | 15:35 |
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| HenryG | Yes, l2pop I can understand | 15:36 |
| HenryG | Anyway, I should try it out for myself instead of asking silly questions, sorry. :) | 15:36 |
| aveiga | no worries! I'd like to see some feedback on the ML if you make any progress with it | 15:36 |
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| HenryG | I have another silly question | 15:38 |
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| HenryG | Do instances work with GUAs in lieu of floating ips? | 15:39 |
| aveiga | yes | 15:39 |
| aveiga | that's how I'm running it now | 15:40 |
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| HenryG | OK, thanks, I think I am too, but my "global" network is not very global. | 15:40 |
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| HenryG | I.e. I can't seem to get out of my VirtualBox VM. Must be a VB thing. | 15:41 |
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| sc68cal | VB's networking is a little odd | 15:41 |
| sc68cal | I've seen issues crossing the virt nics too | 15:42 |
| sc68cal | on v4 | 15:42 |
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| sc68cal | before I forget | 15:48 |
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| sc68cal | We have a bug for documenting the new ipv6 attributes. Currently it is assigned to me but I have not had capacity to address | 15:48 |
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| sc68cal | if someone wishes, they can take it up and I will be sure to help review | 15:49 |
| sc68cal | https://webmail.comcast.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=jBAGQkQ45k6kh7NkmVeZ1SVs6gzZn9EIKlVJ4zoqOPO3dgV8w3YlMrt2w5lZoqURzNauGKfo5pw.&URL=https%3a%2f%2fbugs.launchpad.net%2fbugs%2f1293897 | 15:49 |
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| sc68cal | doh | 15:49 |
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| sc68cal | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1293897 | 15:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1293897 in openstack-manuals "Create new IPv6 attributes for Subnets" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:49 |
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| sc68cal | any other business to discuss? | 15:54 |
| sc68cal | otherwise we'll adjourn until next wek | 15:55 |
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| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 15:59:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-09-09-15.16.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-09-09-15.16.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-09-09-15.16.log.html | 15:59 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 16:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-09-09_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
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| gpilz | Gilbert Pilz | 16:00 |
| muralia | murali allada | 16:00 |
| james_li | james li | 16:00 |
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| datsun180b | ed cranford | 16:00 |
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| devkulkarni1 | Devdatta Kulkarni | 16:00 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 16:00 |
| noorul | Noorul Islam | 16:00 |
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| roshanagr | Roshan Agrawal | 16:01 |
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| julienvey | Julien Vey | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | hello everyone | 16:01 |
| stannie | Pierre Padrixe | 16:01 |
| AnishKarmarkar | Anish Karmarkar | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | so first some small talk… Pierre and Julien... | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | in France, are telemarketers allowed to call your cell phones? | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | and if you do get a call, is there anything you can do? Any recourse? | 16:03 |
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| julienvey | yes, they can | 16:03 |
| julienvey | and for phone call I don't know if we can do anything | 16:03 |
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| stannie | I really don't know | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | Americans get irritated when they get unsolicited calls on their mobile phones | 16:04 |
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| noorul | so does everyone :) | 16:04 |
| datsun180b | That's probably in part due to the fact that we're charged for incoming calls | 16:04 |
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| roshanagr | It is no different in India | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | to such an extent that we have laws against it | 16:04 |
| stannie | we usally don't do anything :( | 16:04 |
| dimtruck | Dimitry Ushakov | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | interesting, ok. | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | Anyone else who would like to be recorded in attendance, please chime in at any time | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
| gpilz | as a public service, you should keep them on the phone as long as possible - then don't buy anything | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | any announcements from teammembers? | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | gpilz: :-) | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | (none) | 16:06 |
| AnishKarmarkar | not for cell phones but if you use voip, forward them to Lenny (http://www.itslenny.com/) | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | Anish, that's brilliant! | 16:06 |
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| noorul | where is the bot which shortens the link? | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://www.itslenny.com/ | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | hummm, maybe that is not turned on in this channel | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, any feature development work, tasks, or bugs that anyone would like to raise for group discussion? | 16:08 |
| gpilz | I really need to get this reviewed: | 16:08 |
| gpilz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117056/ | 16:08 |
| noorul | I have a question, but I think I should leave it for Open Discussion | 16:09 |
| gpilz | I've got other work in the pipeline that depends on it | 16:09 |
| gpilz | a schedule, and a boss breathing down my neck | 16:09 |
| noorul | 1818 lines | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | Gil, thanks for raising that | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, it is a big patch which makes it difficult to review quickly | 16:09 |
| julienvey | gpilz: will take a look, but you can still create other patches on top of that one | 16:09 |
| gpilz | noorul - it looks like a lot, but there isn't a lot of complexity there | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | I have sat down to look at it, and got distracted with other tasks before finishing more than once | 16:10 |
| datsun180b | it's mainly structure | 16:10 |
| PaulCzar | I would like to see this reviewed and merged in, fixes problems with 14.04 ( the gate, etc ) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119391/ | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | so in the future, consider submitting groups of patches that are smaller | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, let's take a moment to review each of those now | 16:11 |
| noorul | ok, its approved | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so 119391 has been processed | 16:12 |
| datsun180b | nice | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | so now we have 117056 | 16:12 |
| datsun180b | that means we get one more green gate | 16:12 |
| gpilz | thanks | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | Gil, I have some comments on your patch | 16:13 |
| gpilz | okay | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | so I'll make those and follow up with you after we adjourn | 16:13 |
| devkulkarni1 | gpliz: by moving assemblies to camp/v1_1 | 16:13 |
| devkulkarni1 | the client will break | 16:13 |
| gpilz | I haven't moved v1/assemblies | 16:13 |
| james_li | datsun180b: after a while we can consider make trusty ‘vote' | 16:13 |
| devkulkarni1 | btw, I will also review the patch in detail later | 16:14 |
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| devkulkarni1 | gpliz: oh okay | 16:14 |
| noorul | Why are we not improving v1 ? | 16:14 |
| datsun180b | i hope "a while" is "about two hours" | 16:14 |
| noorul | Did we release v1 yet? | 16:14 |
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| gpilz | if you read the spec for Solum CAMP, you will see that the intention is to no affect Solum clients in any way | 16:14 |
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| devkulkarni1 | +1 | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: do you mean v1 of Solum? | 16:14 |
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| datsun180b | it's just an orthogonal way to present and manipulate the extant resources from what i understand | 16:15 |
| noorul | Yes, | 16:15 |
| noorul | is v1_1 for CAMP | 16:15 |
| noorul | then where is solum version? | 16:15 |
| julienvey | i think v1 is the api version, not solum | 16:15 |
| gpilz | Solum is …/v1/foo | 16:15 |
| gpilz | CAMP is camp/v1_1/foo | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: good question. "CAMP 1.1" is the OASIS spec version currently in 2nd public review | 16:16 |
| noorul | Yeah, I mean solum api version | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | it is not pinned to Solum's versioning | 16:16 |
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| datsun180b | i think v1_1 tracks only camp and has no deference to solum's own versions | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | v1 was submitted to OASIS like 2 years ago | 16:16 |
| gpilz | and you can turn CAMP off | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | but was not proposed as a standard | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | 1.1 will be the first public standard version | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: does all that make sense? | 16:17 |
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| noorul | to which version of solum api does this tied to? | 16:17 |
| datsun180b | none of them | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | v1 | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | but it's another API | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | not just a fascade | 16:18 |
| datsun180b | camp's versions will increment whenever oasis wants it to | 16:18 |
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| datsun180b | regardless of solum's version march | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | correct, datsun180b | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: clear now? | 16:19 |
| noorul | The structure confuses me | 16:19 |
| noorul | should that be in solum/camp ? | 16:19 |
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| noorul | rather than in solum/api/controller/.. | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | (that was one of the things I flagged for comment) | 16:20 |
| gpilz | noorul - I need to leverage the existing Pecan controller tree | 16:20 |
| gpilz | so I start at the root of Solum - the '/' in '/v1' | 16:21 |
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| gpilz | that's the perfect place to enable/disable CAMP support | 16:21 |
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| gpilz | if you disable camp, the root controller just never sees the 'camp' controller - and you get a 404 | 16:21 |
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| devkulkarni1 | and python-solumclient does not need to change because it is not supposed to support the camp endpoints | 16:23 |
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| gpilz | right | 16:23 |
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| gpilz | also - i need to leverage the unauthenticated access support in solum/api/auth.py | 16:24 |
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| devkulkarni1 | for which part? | 16:25 |
| gpilz | because the resources that describe which CAMP versions are supported should be available to unauthenticated clients | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | platform endpoints | 16:25 |
| noorul | why do you think you cannot import from solum.api in camp.api ? | 16:25 |
| devkulkarni1 | gpilz, adrian_otto: ok make sense | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni1: the other reason is for automated version discovery | 16:26 |
| gpilz | noorul - it's not a matter of importing - I want to share a single pecan instance | 16:26 |
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| kebray | gpilz are you asking for solum-camp API to share same single running instance of pecan as non-camp-solum api? | 16:28 |
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| gpilz | yes - if you read the Solum CAMP spec you will see that it requires cross-compatibility | 16:29 |
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| gpilz | if you create a plan using the CAMP API, that plan should be visible via the Solum API (authorization policy allowing) | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | kebray: gpilz is referring to the spec in the solum-specs repo for this feature | 16:29 |
| gpilz | similarly, if you create a plan via the Solum API, it should be visible in the CAMP API | 16:30 |
| datsun180b | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112153/ | 16:30 |
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| gpilz | the easiest way to do this is share a single pecan instance | 16:30 |
| devkulkarni1 | thanks datsun180b | 16:31 |
| roshanagr | is cross compatibility a requirement? | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/solum-specs/tree/specs/juno/solum-camp-api.rst | 16:31 |
| gpilz | roshangar - yes, we don't want to split our user base | 16:31 |
| datsun180b | either way, i linked the review of the merged code | 16:31 |
| gpilz | CAMP is just an alternate API to the same underlying services | 16:31 |
| noorul | so the spec is already in | 16:31 |
| datsun180b | right | 16:32 |
| gpilz | yes | 16:32 |
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| roshanagr | gpilz: how does now having cross compatibility split the user base | 16:32 |
| roshanagr | as long as a user picks one API and sticks with it, he should be good | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | the lack of compatibility would drive a split | 16:32 |
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| gpilz | you force users to pick which API they are going to use forever more | 16:32 |
| gpilz | either that or force them to move there apps from the Solum flavor to the CAMP flavor or vice versa | 16:33 |
| kebray | adrian_otto, then if that's the argument, why not argue for one and one API? Why have two with intention of no split? That implies they should be made the same. | 16:33 |
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| roshanagr | we give users a choice in the beginning, and once they have made the choice, they stick with that choice. | 16:33 |
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| gpilz | we want a "many tools / one system" model not a "many systems" model | 16:33 |
| roshanagr | what is the overhead of cross compatibility? | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | kebray: solum will effectively be an extended version of CAMP 1.1, but will not be required to follow the spec if it does not align with the goals of the project | 16:34 |
| gpilz | roshanagr - there isn't any that i have seen (so far) | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | our community is reluctant to track API's to specifications, so this is the compromise | 16:34 |
| devkulkarni1 | +1 adrian_otto .. also, if some other specs come along and want to provide a different 'view' of underlying resources I think it should be okay | 16:35 |
| roshanagr | gpilz: good to know, thanks. | 16:35 |
| kebray | +1 for not tracking the solum API to a spec. | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | with our current approach we don't limit Solum's freedom, and we open the possibility that CAMP compliant clients can use Solum | 16:35 |
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| kebray | by tying camp API to same instance of pecan, won't that limit Solum's freedom in terms of solum API evolution vs. camp standard (where we are acknowledging we don't want them to be tied). | 16:36 |
| gpilz | kebray - the Solum API is free to do whatever it wants | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | that's a slippery slope | 16:37 |
| gpilz | the onus is on me to keep up | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | gpilz: well put | 16:37 |
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| devkulkarni1 | kebray: not really. it will be upto each 'view' implementor's responsibility to make sure that their stuff does not break Solum engine | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | it CAMP became an obstacle for Solum, and it's contributors for the CAMP related code are unavailable or unwilling to adapt it, then it could be deprecated. | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | s/it CAMP/if CAMP/ | 16:38 |
| gpilz | adrian - that's one reason I allow CAMP support to be disabled with a single-line config change | 16:38 |
| noorul | kebray: I have the same concern | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | my advice is not to worry too much about this until it materializes as a problem | 16:39 |
| kebray | adrian_otto, seems deprication/maintenace would be easier if it's a separate API instance (tests aren't tied to same running instance,so separate concerns)... also better for the solum service operator too to understand and run. | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni1 | noorul, kebray: so how do you think this concern can be addressed? | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | worst case we update solum to remove problematic code. | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | best case, we evolve them in a coordinated way | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | I don't think we are going to have major API changes | 16:40 |
| AnishKarmarkar | given the cross-polination between Solum and CAMP (not to mention common participants), what is the likelihood that they'll diverge enough to be incompatible? | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | most of the future features will manifest as additions to the DSL, not thew API | 16:40 |
| AnishKarmarkar | s/polination/pollination/ | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | AnishKarmarkar: I doubt it will be a barrier | 16:41 |
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| kebray | devkulkarni1, have camp run as a separate API instance/endpoint, using under the hood public and/only public API calls to Solum where possible.. if something can't be done via public solum API call, then CAMP and Solum aren't align, and for each feature a discussion needs to be had. | 16:41 |
| noorul | we started with camp | 16:41 |
| noorul | then we had issues, explored workflow | 16:41 |
| roshanagr | gpilz: will I be correct to think that the need to share same instance of pecan is driven by need for cross compatibility? | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | most concerns on this subject assume that standards organizations and software development efforts are not in any way coordinated. | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | in this case they actually can be. | 16:42 |
| gpilz | roshanagr: yes | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: those issues were not with ALM | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | they were with workflow, which CAMP is not designed for. | 16:42 |
| AnishKarmarkar | keep in mind that the exit criteria for CAMP (any version) is that there be multiple compatible implementation. So in the future, if CAMP does something that can't work with Solum, I doubt it will make it to the final spec | 16:43 |
| roshanagr | gpilz: thanks. so cross compatibility does increase the coupling between Solum and CAMP API. Which is where I ask to evaluate the cost benefit of cross compatibility | 16:43 |
| roshanagr | We can still have CAMP as an alternate API on Solum, without having tigher coupling or cross compatibility | 16:44 |
| roshanagr | tighter | 16:44 |
| gpilz | roshanag: keep in mind that it isn't necessarily a single user that is being affected | 16:44 |
| noorul | i think 15 minutes more left | 16:45 |
| noorul | I have question | 16:45 |
| gpilz | if a group of people are working on an application together - you would like to allow each person to use the tools that suit them best | 16:45 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: i still remember you saying that RAX is using solum internally | 16:45 |
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| noorul | adrian_otto: Is there a documentation on that? | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: only my statements in the announcement section of that meeting where it was mentioned | 16:46 |
| devkulkarni1 | kebray: sure that is a possibility. it will mean anyone who wants to provide alternative views would not be directly leverage Solum models. may be it might be okay to do that when the view is so different that it will need its own models anyways. | 16:46 |
| roshanagr | gpilz: we could have an organization/group discuss and arrive at a single preferred answer to which API they prefer | 16:46 |
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| gpilz | roshanagr: why make them do that? | 16:47 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: I'm happy to follow up with you to give you additional perspective. | 16:47 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: ok | 16:47 |
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| devkulkarni1 | roshanagr: reaching such a consensus would be difficult in most cases (different orgs/groups have different needs) | 16:48 |
| roshanagr | gpilz: it is a workable compromise between flexibility for the user and implementation separation of concerns | 16:48 |
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| roshanagr | devkulkarni: yes, however for a given group, it is fine to expect them to arrive at a concensus. Unless we feel the cost of cross compatibility is so low that this is a non issue | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so in a moment I will bring us to Open Dicussion | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | I think it's worth making an action item to address open concerns regarding the tactical addition of CAMP API support. We can do that as a follow-up IRC meeting. | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | does that sound fair? | 16:50 |
| gpilz | sounds fair to me | 16:50 |
| devkulkarni1 | +1 | 16:50 |
| roshanagr | adrian_otto: yes, sounds good | 16:50 |
| devkulkarni1 | I would suggest postpone it to the meeting when adrian_otto you will be around | 16:51 |
| kebray | +1 | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to schedule an IRC meeting for discussion of CAMP API support, and our tactical integration options. | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | look for an ML thread with a link to a poll for selecting the date/time | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | thanks | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:52 |
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| roshanagr | got to go, thanks | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr: cheers | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | any other topics for today? | 16:53 |
| datsun180b | whoo, cz's patch merged | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | :-) | 16:54 |
| datsun180b | can we make the trusty gate voting now? should we? | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: good question | 16:54 |
| PaulCzar | we should let it bake for a few weeks | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | do we expect most of Solum's user base to be using trusty as their environment for running Solum? If so, then it makes sense to gate on it. | 16:55 |
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| datsun180b | well i know i've got problems with my 12.04 vm right about now | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar: I'm happy to leave it as non-voting until we feel confident. I worry about it becoming an impediment to getting code in. | 16:56 |
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| datsun180b | okay so it bakes | 16:57 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: yes and then we have to wait for infra :) | 16:57 |
| datsun180b | for how long? | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: yes, indeed. | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: we can revisit it next week? | 16:57 |
| noorul | There is one advantage | 16:57 |
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| noorul | it will be -1 jenkins job | 16:58 |
| datsun180b | sgtm | 16:58 |
| noorul | may be the feedback from jenkins will be faster if we could remove fedora one | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: yes, that's possible, although I think they run in parallel. | 16:59 |
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| noorul | adrian_otto: what is the benefit? | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | in tha case it would only help if the fedora test were the longest. | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | from a performance perspective. | 16:59 |
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| noorul | adrian_otto: What is the benefit of having two jobs | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | I'm happy to drop it if we have at least one popular OS doing gate. | 17:00 |
| noorul | +1 | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending today | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 17:00:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-09-09-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-09-09-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-09-09-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| ruhe | #startmeeting murano | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 17:02:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:03 |
| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:03 |
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| ruhe | i guess we're not going to have too many people today | 17:04 |
| ruhe | but not just me :) | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | I am here :) | 17:04 |
| sjmc7 | i'm half-here, in two other meetings | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | Hi :) | 17:04 |
| igormarnat | \o | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | hooray! | 17:04 |
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| dteselkin | Hi | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | let's call us a quorum :) | 17:05 |
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| ruhe | #topic action items review | 17:05 |
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| ruhe | #topic action items review | 17:05 |
| ruhe | hmmm | 17:06 |
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| ruhe | SergeyLukjanov ^^ | 17:06 |
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| ruhe | but, let's continue | 17:07 |
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| ruhe | there was only one action item from the last meeting for me to move two blueprints out of juno cycle | 17:07 |
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| ruhe | and i've done that | 17:07 |
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| ruhe | #topic Release python-muranoclient 0.5.5 to allow actions UI | 17:08 |
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| ruhe | so, we've merged a change today which is required by UI for actions | 17:09 |
| ruhe | and we need to release a new version of python-muranoclient to enable that change in UI | 17:10 |
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| ruhe | are there any concerns or blockers for a new release of client? | 17:10 |
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| sergmelikyan | not I am aware of | 17:10 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: is that ok with you. do you run internal copy of client of older version? | 17:11 |
| sjmc7 | we're using 0.5.4 | 17:11 |
| katyafervent2 | There is no version here https://github.com/stackforge/python-muranoclient/blob/master/setup.cfg | 17:11 |
| katyafervent2 | Probably, need to set the correct one | 17:12 |
| ruhe | katyafervent2: it was removed on purpose. version is set by Infra tooling from tag | 17:12 |
| katyafervent2 | ruhe: ok. cool | 17:12 |
| ruhe | ok. so i'm going to release it today/tomorrow | 17:12 |
| ruhe | #agreed to release python-muranoclient 0.5.5 | 17:13 |
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| ruhe | #topic juno documentation progress | 17:13 |
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| ruhe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-docs | 17:13 |
| ruhe | katyafervent2: is there any progress? | 17:14 |
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| katyafervent2 | yes, i attached review links there | 17:14 |
| ruhe | i see. that's great! | 17:15 |
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| ruhe | let's make sure we put more effort into reviewing doc changes | 17:15 |
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| ruhe | also, last meeting i suggested to close all doc related bugs and track them in the etherpad you prepared | 17:16 |
| ruhe | katyafervent2: can we safely close all those bugs? | 17:17 |
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| katyafervent2 | ruhe:ok, that's now in my todo list | 17:17 |
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| ruhe | thanks! | 17:18 |
| ruhe | #action katyafervent2 close all doc-related bugs and make sure we track them in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-docs | 17:18 |
| ruhe | ok. we don't have much topics today. let's make a brief overview of our current status in terms of bugs | 17:19 |
| ruhe | #topic murano juno rc-1 status | 17:19 |
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| ruhe | #link https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 17:19 |
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| ruhe | i was thinking about bug scrub of bug fixing day. but then realised we can/must have a bug fixing week just to close all the remaing bugs | 17:21 |
| ruhe | the ones which can be fixed in juno | 17:21 |
| ruhe | s/just to close/just to fix | 17:21 |
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| ruhe | also, for juno release we'll need to publish linux-based images with murano agent | 17:23 |
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| ruhe | dteselkin: please take a note ^^ | 17:23 |
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| ruhe | publish = make users able to download them from some public location | 17:23 |
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| ruhe | is there anything else we should do before the release? | 17:25 |
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| ruhe | is everyone watching the apple live event? :) | 17:26 |
| ruhe | #topic open discussion | 17:27 |
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| ruhe | two more minutes for new topics to come up | 17:27 |
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| sjmc7 | nothing from me, ruhe | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | thanks everyone. i hope we'll get more people back soon | 17:32 |
| ruhe | #endmeeting | 17:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 17:32:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-09-09-17.02.html | 17:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-09-09-17.02.txt | 17:32 |
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| alexisli | o7 | 18:59 |
| slagle | o6 | 18:59 |
| jdob | o/ | 19:00 |
| slagle | way to ruin the pattern jdob | 19:00 |
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| jdob | after I typed it noticed what you guys typed and felt ashamed | 19:01 |
| tchaypo | \o | 19:01 |
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| pblaho | O/ | 19:01 |
| tchaypo | i cannot afford shame, today of all days | 19:01 |
| greghaynes | O/ | 19:01 |
| tchaypo | not when I'm reading the summaries of the keynote on the side, and plotting when and how I'm going to get an iwatch | 19:01 |
| shadower | hey | 19:02 |
| lifeless | morning | 19:02 |
| gfidente | \o | 19:02 |
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| lifeless | tchaypo: would you like to run the meeting this morning? Cynthia had a bad night... and when she does, so do I :( | 19:03 |
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| tchaypo | oh you're cruel | 19:03 |
| tchaypo | obviously cynthia just wanted to see the keynote | 19:03 |
| tchaypo | one sec | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | yeah,100% its all about the ivatch | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 19:04:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tchaypo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | #topic agenda | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:04 | |
| tchaypo | * bugs | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | * reviews | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | * Projects needing releases | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | * CD Cloud status | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | * CI | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | * Tuskar | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | * Specs | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | * open discussion | 19:04 |
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| tchaypo | Remember that anyone can use the link and info commands, not just the moderator - if you have something worth noting in the meeting minutes feel free to tag it | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | #topic bugs | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:04 | |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | I was going to say "Good morning to the crowd I don't normally see when I'm hosting a meeting", but it seems like all the regulars are here anyway | 19:05 |
| tchaypo | Criticals for TripleO: | 19:06 |
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| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1316985 is fix-committed- GheRivero_pto, can we downgrade that one now? | 19:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316985 in tripleo "set -eu may spuriously break dkms module" [Critical,Fix committed] | 19:06 |
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| chuckC | hmmm _pto may mean vacation | 19:07 |
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| tchaypo | I will follow up with mkerrin about https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1263294 - although I'm not sure why that's assigned to him, so I might have to dig a little deeper | 19:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1263294 in tripleo "ephemeral0 of /dev/sda1 triggers 'did not find entry for sda1 in /sys/block'" [Critical,In progress] | 19:08 |
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| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1361235 looks like it has a fix in progress | 19:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1361235 in tripleo "visit horizon failure because of import module failure" [Critical,In progress] | 19:10 |
| tchaypo | I've updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1362812 to "fix released" to match heat's status | 19:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1362812 in tripleo "heat networking auto-discovery causes heat-engine to exit" [Critical,Fix released] | 19:10 |
| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1365750 is unassigned but seems to be making progress | 19:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1365750 in tripleo "Ironic jobs failing in tripleo CI due to extra specs error" [Critical,Confirmed] | 19:11 |
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| greghaynes | that one were waiting on some nova patches to land | 19:11 |
| greghaynes | 1365750, that is | 19:11 |
| tchaypo | and that leaves https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1366860 which may have been a glitch and is awaiting confirmation | 19:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1366860 in tripleo "404 downloading cliff" [Critical,Triaged] | 19:12 |
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| tchaypo | tuskar has https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/1357525 open | 19:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1357525 in tuskar "tuskar-api fails with "no such option: config_file"" [Critical,Fix committed] | 19:13 |
| slagle | we could assign that one to derek | 19:13 |
| slagle | will do so | 19:13 |
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| greghaynes | yes, hes not here so he gets all the tickets :) | 19:13 |
| slagle | the tripleo one, not the tuskar one :) | 19:13 |
| tchaypo | thanks slagle :) | 19:13 |
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| tchaypo | Do we have any other bugs people want to discuss? | 19:14 |
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| gfidente | the ironic bug in CI | 19:16 |
| greghaynes | The extra_specs one? | 19:16 |
| greghaynes | Should be out of CI | 19:16 |
| gfidente | I'm not sure the changes from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119357/ will be merged | 19:16 |
| gfidente | so this may take some more time, but we'd probably need lucas or dprince to gather more details | 19:17 |
| greghaynes | gfidente: it likely wont, but it shouldnt need to be | 19:17 |
| greghaynes | gfidente: we merged a temprevert and supposedly some fixes going into nova will fix it for us | 19:17 |
| gfidente | greghaynes, so this may pause CI for some more time | 19:18 |
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| greghaynes | gfidente: We have a temprevert for that already merged in CI | 19:18 |
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| * tchaypo <3s tempreverts | 19:18 | |
| tchaypo | greghaynes: can you update the bug to mention the temprevert and drop the priority please? | 19:19 |
| gfidente | ah okay, didn't get it initially, thanks :) | 19:19 |
| tchaypo | if it's not blocking CI before, IMO it's still high, but it's not critical | 19:19 |
| greghaynes | hrmmm | 19:19 |
| tchaypo | it sounds like you have a different opinion :) | 19:20 |
| greghaynes | It does still break existing users | 19:20 |
| greghaynes | which is really annoying | 19:20 |
| greghaynes | and I think that is one of our criteria for critical | 19:20 |
| bnemec | Is this the one preventing me from running devtest locally? | 19:20 |
| bnemec | If so, +1 to still critical. | 19:20 |
| gfidente | bnemec, I had to USE_IRONIC=0 | 19:21 |
| greghaynes | yes | 19:21 |
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| lifeless | greghaynes: +1 | 19:21 |
| bnemec | Yeah, that's bad. | 19:21 |
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| lifeless | still critical | 19:21 |
| tchaypo | very good. Keep it critical! | 19:21 |
| tchaypo | If only we had a common tool devs could use to apply their own temprevert... | 19:22 |
| tchaypo | more on that later. | 19:22 |
| tchaypo | No other bugs? | 19:22 |
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| tchaypo | #topic reviews | 19:24 |
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| tchaypo | There's been much discussion on the list | 19:24 |
| tchaypo | I'm going to toss out a straw man | 19:24 |
| tchaypo | there seems to be wide agreement that auto-abandon helped us keep the queue in check, and it would generally be a good thing if it came back | 19:25 |
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| tchaypo | Until we can get it implemented, I'm wondering if having cores manually find and close old reviews (with a suitably-worded message explaining that this is not a judgement on the patch, but just an attempt at hiding things that aren't actively being worked on) | 19:26 |
| tchaypo | would be something people would like to see/be willing to do | 19:26 |
| lifeless | counter-proposal | 19:26 |
| lifeless | mark them as workflow -1 | 19:26 |
| lifeless | vs abandon | 19:26 |
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| jdob | does that take them out of the current stats? | 19:26 |
| tchaypo | sure, that works for me too | 19:26 |
| lifeless | still tags them but doesn't delete them from the authors on default queue | 19:27 |
| slagle | let's clarify whan an "old review" is | 19:27 |
| lifeless | jdob: pretty sure it does | 19:27 |
| slagle | i'd say a review with negative feedback and no response from the owner...for 14 days? | 19:27 |
| bnemec | Yes, WIP is excluded from the open reviews list. At least in reviewstats. | 19:27 |
| alexisli | slagle: yep | 19:27 |
| jdob | slagle: that was my next thing too, are we going to use a hard deadline or just eyeball the super long ones | 19:27 |
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| lifeless | I'd actually like to say negative review from a core | 19:27 |
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| slagle | ack, sounds fine | 19:28 |
| shadower | yeah | 19:28 |
| jdob | meaning negative review from a core + 14 days? | 19:28 |
| alexisli | So if it's negative feedback from a core + no response + 14 days elapsed; any reason not to automate that? | 19:28 |
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| lifeless | and no subsequent reply explaining | 19:28 |
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| * tchaypo checks code | 19:28 | |
| jdob | alexisli: i was reading this as the start to automating it | 19:29 |
| jdob | sort of a dry run | 19:29 |
| tchaypo | yes, anything that's WIP is filtered form the numbers | 19:29 |
| lifeless | I think a safe first step in automation would be a report of such reviews. | 19:29 |
| alexisli | jdob: OK works for me | 19:29 |
| tchaypo | oh look, bnemec confirmed that while I was reading code | 19:29 |
| jdob | before going through the steps of automating it | 19:29 |
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| tchaypo | bnemec: is there any chance you'd be willing to work on that report? | 19:30 |
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| bnemec | tchaypo: Yeah, I can poke at it. | 19:31 |
| tchaypo | if not, I think it's probably not too difficult, from what I've seen on the code. | 19:31 |
| bnemec | Agreed, shouldn't take too long. | 19:31 |
| * bnemec knocks on wood | 19:32 | |
| tchaypo | #action bnemec to look at adding a report of items that have a -1 from a core but no response from author for 14 days, as a first step towards possibly auto-WIPing these patches | 19:32 |
| tchaypo | for the record, this week's stats are: | 19:33 |
| tchaypo | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:33 |
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| tchaypo | Average wait time: 11 days, 8 hours, 44 minutes | 19:33 |
| tchaypo | 1st quartile wait time: 4 days, 1 hours, 47 minutes | 19:33 |
| tchaypo | Median wait time: 7 days, 2 hours, 25 minutes | 19:33 |
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| tchaypo | 3rd quartile wait time: 15 days, 19 hours, 38 minutes | 19:33 |
| tchaypo | I believe the 3rd quartile had hit 18.5 days last time I looked, so that's down a little | 19:33 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: actually I think it was no response, not no response from author | 19:33 |
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| tchaypo | #undo | 19:34 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: in that someone else can say why the reviewers comment doesn't make sense | 19:34 |
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| greghaynes | helpful repr is helpful | 19:34 |
| tchaypo | #action bnemec to look at adding a report of items that have a -1 from a core but no response for 14 days, as a first step towards possibly auto-WIPing these patches | 19:34 |
| tchaypo | checking the 30-day report, I see 10 cores and 2 non-cores with >60 reviews | 19:34 |
| lifeless | you know where would be perfect to add this? reviewstats ;) | 19:35 |
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| tchaypo | mrmm. | 19:35 |
| tchaypo | Core team size: 23 (avg 1.8 reviews/day) | 19:35 |
| tchaypo | tweak that number to only allow for 2/7 days not being workdays; add a baseline of 3/day and report on the number of the core team above it.. | 19:36 |
| jdob | personally, I was on vacation for a week. others might have been as well | 19:36 |
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| tchaypo | Yeah, I think a lot of people have had vacation over the last few months | 19:36 |
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| jdob | that should largely be stabilizing now | 19:37 |
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| tchaypo | it was pointed out in last week's meeting that it's normal to slump a bit over the northern summer | 19:37 |
| jdob | after which we wont have good excuses :) | 19:37 |
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| tchaypo | I've never noticed these stats at the bottom of the 30-day report before | 19:38 |
| tchaypo | Changes involved in the last 30 days: 427 (14.2/day) | 19:38 |
| tchaypo | New changes in the last 30 days: 304 (10.1/day) | 19:38 |
| tchaypo | Changes merged in the last 30 days: 214 (7.1/day) | 19:38 |
| tchaypo | Queue growth in the last 30 days: 62 (2.1/day) | 19:38 |
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| tchaypo | That "queue growth" number seems to be a good indication that we're not keeping on top of things | 19:38 |
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| tchaypo | Does anyone have specific hairy reviews they want to call out? | 19:39 |
| tchaypo | I'm going to mention https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119671/ | 19:39 |
| tchaypo | all it does at this point is add the ability to manually "tox -ebashate" - we have ~419 errors reported | 19:39 |
| tchaypo | If it lands, I'd like to work towards getting rid of those 419 reports and then turning this on as a mandatory check | 19:40 |
| jp_at_hp | +1 | 19:40 |
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| tchaypo | #note Lifeless notes that it would be nice if reviewstats would report on number of cores above the baseline 3 commits/workday | 19:40 |
| bnemec | tchaypo: Ultimately I'd like to do that for all of our repos. | 19:40 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: I wat? | 19:40 |
| tchaypo | #undo | 19:41 |
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| tchaypo | #note Lifeless notes that if we're going to comment on such things, reviewstats would be a good place for a report on number of cores above the baseline 3 commits/workday | 19:41 |
| dprince | I sort of feel like all the focus on stats in our meetings is going to encourage people to game them (i.e. fly by reviews) | 19:41 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: I didn't note that either | 19:42 |
| tchaypo | #undo | 19:42 |
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| dprince | when what we really need is ownershipt to push through the important things... | 19:42 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: my only comment about putting things in reviewstats was about the aging report | 19:42 |
| tchaypo | oh | 19:42 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: I have nothing else in my irc log about it | 19:42 |
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| * dprince thinkgs stats are becoming a TripleO waste of time | 19:42 | |
| lifeless | tchaypo: and we already have reviewer stats that cover how active folk are | 19:43 |
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| lifeless | tchaypo: I don't think making that be shown differently will change anything | 19:43 |
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| tchaypo | lifeless: sorry, our comments must have crossed in the aether, so i thougt you were responding to me when you must have been typing at the same time as me | 19:44 |
| jp_at_hp | stats not important, being active and responsive enough to not push new contributors away does matter | 19:44 |
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| tchaypo | I'd say that stats aren't important, but being able to find the changes that need a push is | 19:44 |
| lifeless | jp_at_hp: I agree; the stats are a tool, not the thing itself. | 19:44 |
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| tchaypo | but I agree that any focus on stats should be about how they help us find the important changes, which is why we had a discussion about whether the things we're measuring are useful or not | 19:45 |
| tchaypo | however, it's :45 so I think we need to take this offline | 19:46 |
| tchaypo | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:46 |
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| tchaypo | volunteer? | 19:46 |
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| jdob | i'll do it | 19:47 |
| tchaypo | #action jdob to release all the things | 19:47 |
| tchaypo | #topic CD Cloud status | 19:47 |
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| tchaypo | HP2 is still presenting me with learning opportunities. | 19:48 |
| tchaypo | Has HP1 been out of action? it's not listed on http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/s_tripleo-jobs.html | 19:49 |
| greghaynes | I think derekh mentioned redeploying testenvs? | 19:49 |
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| slagle | he did that already | 19:49 |
| lifeless | he did | 19:49 |
| lifeless | dropped the failure rate to 20% onhp1 | 19:50 |
| greghaynes | Which brings up something ive been noticing - I have seen a lot of random test failes where something errors with 'no route to host' | 19:50 |
| greghaynes | and its happening in all sorts of random places | 19:50 |
| slagle | he mentioned the pass rate was up to 80% | 19:50 |
| greghaynes | Have others encountered this? | 19:50 |
| lifeless | slagle: yeah 80% == 100% - 20% :) | 19:50 |
| ccrouch | greghaynes: rbrady: mentioned that this morning | 19:50 |
| slagle | lifeless: yea yea, i didnt see your comment :) | 19:51 |
| lifeless | slagle: ah :> | 19:51 |
| greghaynes | hrm, im not really sure what could cause this, but sort of correlates with the TE redeploy | 19:51 |
| greghaynes | since I think our routing is a constand during a test run | 19:51 |
| greghaynes | s/constand/constant | 19:52 |
| lifeless | it is for comms with the nodes | 19:52 |
| lifeless | routes to the internet are well routes to te internet | 19:52 |
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| tchaypo | greghaynes: can you bring this up in channel/on list? | 19:52 |
| tchaypo | *glances at non-i-watch* | 19:52 |
| greghaynes | anywho, dont need to debug in the meeting, but might be worth something keeping an eye out for | 19:52 |
| greghaynes | yea | 19:52 |
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| bnemec | Do we have a bug open for this? | 19:53 |
| tchaypo | I'm going to skip the CI topic as already covered | 19:53 |
| tchaypo | #topic tuskar | 19:53 |
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| greghaynes | bnemec: ah, no. Will do | 19:53 |
| tchaypo | Do we have anyone from tuskar here? | 19:53 |
| bnemec | greghaynes: Cool, thanks | 19:53 |
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| jdob | ya, but i have nothing really to report about tuskar | 19:54 |
| tchaypo | #topic specs | 19:54 |
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| tchaypo | I'm seeing two landed and one abandoned in the last week | 19:55 |
| tchaypo | #topic open discussion | 19:56 |
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| tchaypo | #note Reminder that next week's meeting will be one hour later than they have been lately, to be more euro-friendly | 19:56 |
| shadower | \o/ | 19:57 |
| tchaypo | *grumbles* | 19:57 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: will you be running it? I can't get to that timeslot | 19:57 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: or do we have a volunteer? | 19:57 |
| tchaypo | shadower has volunteered | 19:57 |
| lifeless | cool | 19:58 |
| tchaypo | I'll be in german class at that time, so i can't make it either. | 19:58 |
| tchaypo | I get the sense that moving it an hour later is more euro-friendly and west-apac friendly, but less AU/NZ/CN/JP friendly | 19:58 |
| shadower | tchaypo: lol, thanks for reminding me | 19:59 |
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| tchaypo | so we'll see how that works out - if it goes poorly I'll arm-wrestle shadower to get the time changed back | 19:59 |
| tchaypo | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 20:00:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-09-09-19.04.html | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-09-09-19.04.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-09-09-19.04.log.html | 20:00 |
| lsmola | thanks, have a nice week | 20:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 9 22:01:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Our Agenda | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:01 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:01 |
| iqbalmohomed | Iqbal Mohomed, IBM Research | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | hi iqbalmohomed | 22:02 |
| iqbalmohomed | Hello | 22:02 |
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| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 22:02 |
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| adrian_otto | hi funzo | 22:03 |
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| funzo | hi! | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | long time no see | 22:03 |
| funzo | yeah, I missed last week | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | will you make it to the Paris Summit event in November? | 22:04 |
| funzo | I will not be there | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | bummer | 22:04 |
| funzo | although I'd like to :) | 22:04 |
| funzo | Ian Main will make it from RHT though | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | well, we are pretty light on attendees today | 22:05 |
| iqbalmohomed | Getting in line for the iWatch perhaps :-p | 22:05 |
| funzo | ha! | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | heh | 22:06 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, well diga sent his regrets, but he did produce a little bit of code | 22:06 |
| iqbalmohomed | Yup ... very good to see it | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | so let's quickly step through the agenda items together, and with any luck we will end early today | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:07 | |
| adrian_otto | first is that I will be absent next week, as our meeting conflicts with the OpenStack Silicon Valley event | 22:07 |
| funzo | as will I be. | 22:07 |
| funzo | except I'll be in Jamaica | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so unless I hear a ground swell between now and then, I will cancel that meeting, and we will continue again on 2014-09-23 | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | if the meeting gets scheduled for 9/16, I will arrange for the chair to email the openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org ML with the [containers] topic tag | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | so that's how you will learn about it | 22:09 |
| iqbalmohomed | sounds good | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements? | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 22:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:09 | |
| adrian_otto | I took two: | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to coordinate a follow-up about Gantt, to help the containers team understand its readiness plans, and how they may be applied in our work. | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | this is in -progress. I am awaiting a response from bauzas, who I understand is leading the Gantt effort | 22:10 |
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| adrian_otto | I will update you again after that discussion happens | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | we might just rely on an ML thread to resolve that | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | so I will carry that action item forward | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to coordinate a follow-up about Gantt, to help the containers team understand its readiness plans, and how they may be applied in our work. | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | next action item: | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to make a backlog of open design topics, and put them on our meeting schedule for discussion | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | that is now available. Feel free to edit it: | 22:12 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Containers Team Meeting Page | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | there is now a topics backlog section | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | now on to the API, and progress toward that | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Containers Service (Magnum) API | 22:12 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://github.com/digambar15/magnum.git Initial Source code from diga | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | there's not a lot in there yet | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | and it's set up as v2 of an API rather than v1, which we will arrange to adjust | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | but once we get an openstack repo opened and a gerrit review queue for it, we can begin to submit specs against that as code with docstrings | 22:14 |
| iqbalmohomed | Is pecan used by any other openstack project? Just curious | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | so we can debate the merits of each aspect of the API implementation before we code against it | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | iqbalmohomed: yes. It is used by Cielometer, and by Solum | 22:14 |
| iqbalmohomed | ah cool | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | many of the early projects did not follow a design pattern | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | and that was earmarked as a maintainability problem, so new projects are encouraged to use pecan/wsme for WSGI | 22:15 |
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| adrian_otto | before that recommendation, basically every project did something different when it came to WSGI | 22:16 |
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| adrian_otto | for a control plane API, the WSGI choice really does not matter much | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | for data plane API's arguments for performance come into consideration | 22:16 |
| iqbalmohomed | cool ... thx | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, there is more backstory if you take any deeper interest in that subject. | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | funzo: any questions on the approach for the API, or what has been proposed for it? | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that brings us to open discussion | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:18 |
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| iqbalmohomed | i had a question ... | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | iqbalmohomed: sure, what's up? | 22:19 |
| iqbalmohomed | we have talked about kubernetes in the past | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | yes. | 22:19 |
| funzo | adrian_otto: I haven't reviewed yet - but I will | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | funzo: tx! | 22:19 |
| iqbalmohomed | curious about similarities/differences ... i can see some major benefits in the proposed container service ... stuff kubernetes doesn't do at all | 22:19 |
| iqbalmohomed | but feel there are similarities that we can take advantage of in terms of designs, etc. any thoughts on this | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | iqbalmohomed: great question. This is something that I have been drawing block diagrams with to help my colleagues rationalize where these different things fit. | 22:20 |
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| adrian_otto | my hope is that we will refine something to bring up for discussion at our next meeting | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | the good news is that in my mind, there is a clear way that both kubernetes and Magnum can be used in Harmony along with OpenStack | 22:21 |
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| adrian_otto | although there are some areas of overlap, that's only by necessity | 22:22 |
| iqbalmohomed | that is good to hear | 22:22 |
| iqbalmohomed | the kubernetes pod concept .. that seems like a good idea | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | kubernetes has a concept of a pool manager that Rackspace has written code to extend to use Heat | 22:22 |
| iqbalmohomed | we have talked about the "instance" managed by the container service as well | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | as it does not make sense to have multiple sources of truth about capacity management of the raw capacity on which containers are placed. | 22:23 |
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| iqbalmohomed | is this opensource? I saw a rackspace provider to kubernetes ... is this what u refer to? | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | yes, so our intent is to leverage a combination of heat and Nova to deal with that | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | iqbalmohomed: my understanding is that those exist as pull requests against the kubernetes project | 22:23 |
| iqbalmohomed | ah ok | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | I don't have links to share, but I could ask for them | 22:24 |
| iqbalmohomed | if u could share, would be appreciated | 22:24 |
| iqbalmohomed | but the big picture is that kubernetes is a higher level thing ... container service aims to be in the middle of that and lower level things like Nova ... is that right? | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | the key difference between a system like mesos or kubernetes, and Magnum is that Magnum is focused on solving "give me a container" | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | and kubernetes and mesos are more concerned with "deploy and control my service/application" with the assumption that a microservices architecture in in play | 22:26 |
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| adrian_otto | they work by having each host communicate back to the pool manager from an agent | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | and that's how inventory is tracked | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | I should say inventory of capacity (hosts that can run containers) | 22:27 |
| iqbalmohomed | so magnum isn't going to be in the business of restarting failed containers, for eg? | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | and that "membership" is what kubernetes tracks in etcd | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | iqbalmohomed: no, that's not a goal | 22:27 |
| iqbalmohomed | cool | 22:27 |
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| adrian_otto | whereas that's in scope for kubernetes, or even potentially Heat. | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | how many containers should be added to deal with a sudden increase in work | 22:28 |
| iqbalmohomed | yup .. makes sense | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | currently kubernetes does not solve for that, but I'm reasonably sure that's an ambition | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | whereas autoscaling and auto healing are not contemplated for Magnum | 22:29 |
| iqbalmohomed | right ... in Openstack, heat handles those concerns | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | instead, we want a standardized, modular interface where various container technologies can be attached, and an API that allows a variety of tools to be integrated on the top | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | so if you really wanted kubernetes + openstack, one option would be: kubernetes + swarmd + magnum + openstack | 22:30 |
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| iqbalmohomed | what about the mapping of ports/ips to containers .. | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | where kubernetes does the service level management, swarmd provides a docker API, magnum provides a containers centric API to swarmd, and openstack (nova) produces raw capacity on instances of any type (vm, bare metal, container) | 22:31 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so mappings of ports would be passed through magnum to the host level systems | 22:31 |
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| adrian_otto | let''s say for sake of discussion that I have the above setup | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | and I use nova-docker as my virt driver in nova | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | so I end up doing nested containers | 22:32 |
| iqbalmohomed | yup | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | my port mappings are requested when my swarmd interacts with Magnum, and are passed through to the nova-docker virt driver, and it accomplishes the map using (probably) a call to neutron | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | or by invoking docker locally on the host | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | Magnum would cache the port arguments requested | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | so it would be able to return them when you do an inspection on a container | 22:34 |
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| adrian_otto | sound sensible? | 22:34 |
| iqbalmohomed | so who decides the port mappings in your example? swarmd? | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | good question, the port configurations are expressed by the consumer of the Magnum API | 22:35 |
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| adrian_otto | so in my example, yes, that's swarmd, and it would be responding to requests from kubernetes, which would need to specify them | 22:35 |
| iqbalmohomed | got it ... so up to that consumer to make good decisions | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 22:36 |
| iqbalmohomed | cool ... makes sense .. thanks for this! | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | this approach strikes a balance between simplicity (of the system) and freedom (to make the system do exotic things) | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | hopefully Magnum is only somewhat opinionated | 22:36 |
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| iqbalmohomed | I like the layering/separation of concerns here | 22:37 |
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| adrian_otto | because if it gets too magical… you get the point | 22:37 |
| iqbalmohomed | rails :-p | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | now this is a contrast to Solum | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | where Solum will generate heat templates and will determine the mappings for you | 22:37 |
| iqbalmohomed | yup ... makes sense | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | whereas Magnum will allow you to specify an additional level of detail that it happily passes through to the lower layers | 22:38 |
| iqbalmohomed | a silly question just to confirm .. | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | Magnum makes no assumptions about what you are trying to deploy | 22:38 |
| iqbalmohomed | for the instance on which magnum deploys containers . ... all containers belong to this tenant, right? | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | (of course speaking in the future perspective, since it does nothing yet) | 22:39 |
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| adrian_otto | okay, I will be careful about how I answer that | 22:39 |
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| adrian_otto | we have contemplated two ways Magnum will interact with instances | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | 1) It creates them as-needed | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | 2) The caller specifies what instance_id to create a container on | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | in the case of #1, they will be created using the credentials (trust token) provided by the caller | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | so the tenant will match the user of the Magnum API | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | unless you have done something clever with the trust tokens to get a different outcome | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | does this make sense so far? | 22:41 |
| iqbalmohomed | yup | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so in the case of #2, we apply some logic | 22:42 |
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| adrian_otto | we check to see if the resource referenced by the instance_id in the request matches the tenant currently acting on the Magnum API | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | -or- | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | there is a trust that allows access to another tenant | 22:43 |
| iqbalmohomed | ic | 22:43 |
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| iqbalmohomed | so one can use trusts to achieve some interesting scenarios | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | yes, it is possible to make a trust to delegate rights to another tenant | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | and if you have set that up in keystone before you made a call, then it could be possible for you to act across tenants if you had a reason to do that | 22:44 |
| iqbalmohomed | cool ... thanks for this discussion ... very useful info | 22:44 |
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| adrian_otto | but it would be properly access controlled | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | we would use python-keystoneclient to access those features | 22:44 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, any other questions? | 22:45 |
| iqbalmohomed | i'm sated for the day :) | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | heh, okay cool | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | any other lurkers who would like to be recorded in attendance before we wrap up for today? | 22:46 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks! | 22:46 |
| adrian_otto | I'll see you here again in two weeks time | 22:46 |
| iqbalmohomed | thanks .. bye | 22:46 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 22:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 22:46:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-09-09-22.01.html | 22:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-09-09-22.01.txt | 22:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-09-09-22.01.log.html | 22:47 |
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