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| adrian-hoban | Hi Folks. Is the NFV meeting going ahead this week? | 14:07 |
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| imendel | Steve canceled the meeting. From the mailing list "Hi all, I am not available to run the meeting tomorrow and was not able to identify someone to step in, given this I think it makes sense to cancel for this week. For next week I would like to trial the new alternate time we discussed, 1600 UTC on a Thursday, and assuming there is reasonable attendance alternating weekly from there. Are there any objections to this? A | 14:08 |
| imendel | As the Feature Proposal Freeze [1] is fast approaching for projects that enforce it I will endeavour to track down any of the blueprints listed on the wiki that were approved but don't have code submissions associated with them yet and highlight this on the mailing list in lieu of a meeting. Thanks, Steve | 14:09 |
| imendel | by | 14:09 |
| adrian-hoban | imendel: Thanks for sharing. I missed that. | 14:09 |
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| imendel | sure, see you next week... | 14:09 |
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| TapioTallgren | Bye! | 14:10 |
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| ijw | Me too... Found it a few mins ago. | 14:11 |
| ijw | We should probably ask Steve to give a bit more notice next time (though odds on I'd still have missed it) | 14:11 |
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| Swami | hi dvr folks | 15:01 |
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| Swami | viveknarasimhan: hi | 15:01 |
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| viveknarasimhan | hi | 15:01 |
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| Bhooshan | <bhooshan> Hi | 15:01 |
| Swami | bhooshan: hi | 15:02 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | hi | 15:02 |
| Bhooshan | swami: Hi | 15:02 |
| Swami | #startmeeting distributed_virtual_router | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 13 15:02:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: distributed_virtual_router)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:02 |
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| Bhooshan | swami: Hi | 15:03 |
| aleksandr_null | Hi guys! | 15:03 |
| Swami | Vinod_: hi | 15:03 |
| Vinod_ | HI Swami | 15:03 |
| Swami | aleksandr_null:hi | 15:03 |
| Swami | #topic agenda | 15:03 |
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| Swami | DVR Update | 15:03 |
| Swami | DVR Bugs update | 15:03 |
| Swami | Services with DVR update | 15:04 |
| Swami | Open Discussion | 15:04 |
| Swami | #topic DVR Update | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DVR Update (Meeting topic: distributed_virtual_router)" | 15:04 | |
| Swami | DVR code is upstream and currently in testing. | 15:05 |
| Vinod_ | Bug 1353266 fix committed and +1 given by 3 reviewers | 15:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1353266 in neutron "Router update creates router namespaces on nodes even though no VM is hosted for attached subnets" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353266 | 15:05 |
| Swami | Please feel free to test the DVR code in upstream | 15:05 |
| Swami | We need more testers so that we can make it more stable. | 15:05 |
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| Swami | Vinod_: Just hold on for the Bugs topic and we will discuss it there. | 15:06 |
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| Vinod_ | fine | 15:06 |
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| Swami | For those of you who have not tested DVR and wanted to know how to test it, just follow the link below. | 15:06 |
| Swami | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DVR/HowTo | 15:06 |
| Swami | The DVR team is currently engaged in the fixing bugs and addressing some backlog items for the DVR support. | 15:07 |
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| Swami | That's all I had with respect to the update. | 15:08 |
| Swami | There is some work still going on with respect to the experimental job for DVR that we started. | 15:08 |
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| Swami | We still have some tests failures in the experimental job. I think Armando, Carl and Brian Haley are looking into those issues | 15:09 |
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| Swami | Now let us move on to the DVR bugs and backlog items. | 15:10 |
| armax | Swami: I think all the tempest-induced failures have been captured on the backlog list of bugs | 15:10 |
| Swami | #topic DVR bugs and backlog items | 15:10 |
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| Swami | armax: thanks for the information. | 15:10 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=l3-dvr-backlog | 15:10 |
| armax | I think this link is less daunting | 15:11 |
| armax | #link: | 15:11 |
| armax | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.searchtext=&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=l3-dvr-backlog&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field. | 15:11 |
| armax | s_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search&orderby=-id&start=0 | 15:11 |
| armax | :) | 15:11 |
| Swami | The link above gives the list of all bugs and backlog items for DVR | 15:11 |
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| armax | mine is only showing those in ‘progress’ or to be triaged | 15:12 |
| mrsmith | +1 armax - I wondered how to get rid of the "fix commited" bugs | 15:12 |
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| armax | mrsmith: you go to the advanced search link on LP | 15:12 |
| Swami | mrsmith: There is no option to filter it based on the status. | 15:12 |
| armax | yes there is | 15:13 |
| Swami | armax: ok I see your comment on that. Thanks | 15:13 |
| armax | anyhoo, back to the...backlog | 15:13 |
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| armax | sorry | 15:14 |
| Swami | at present there are 7 high bugs and I think most of the bugs have already been fixed and some are in progress. | 15:14 |
| Swami | Folks please review the patches for the bugs that have been posted. | 15:15 |
| armax | I think only two are unassigned | 15:16 |
| Swami | Vinod_: Do you want to say something about the bug that you are working on. | 15:16 |
| armax | but one is bug #1350413 which I see it as wishlist | 15:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1350413 in neutron "Migration of distributed router to legacy (central) not implemented" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1350413 | 15:16 |
| Swami | armax: Yes right now the new bugs that was added are unassigned. | 15:16 |
| Vinod_ | Bug 1353266 fix committed and +1 given by 3 reviewers | 15:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1353266 in neutron "Router update creates router namespaces on nodes even though no VM is hosted for attached subnets" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353266 | 15:16 |
| armax | but virtbot sees that too :) | 15:16 |
| aleksandr_null | Guys, I noticed strange thing. Do we keep in mind how we manage floating IP for live migration. | 15:16 |
| Vinod_ | Jenkin passes, pending for approval | 15:17 |
| Swami | armax: This bug 1350413 I don't think we were planning to address this bug for the Juno, it would be post Juno. So we will take it up after Juno. | 15:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1350413 in neutron "Migration of distributed router to legacy (central) not implemented" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1350413 | 15:17 |
| Swami | Vinod_: We will review the patch and provide comments into the gerrit if there is any concerns. | 15:18 |
| Vinod_ | sure, thanks | 15:18 |
| Swami | mrsmith: or armax: do you have anything more on the bugs | 15:19 |
| armax | nope | 15:19 |
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| Swami | armax: thanks | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | Swami: I spent some time working on the migration from legacy to dvr yesterday | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | II'd like to work with you some more today | 15:20 |
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| mrsmith | we are still hoping to have that for Juno right? | 15:20 |
| Swami | I will be adding another item to the bugs list today with respect to DVR not able to support assignment of FIP to the LBaaS VIP port. | 15:20 |
| Swami | mrsmith: Yes we are targeting it for Juno | 15:20 |
| mrsmith | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1348309 | 15:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1348309 in neutron "Migration of legacy router to distributed router not working" [Medium,In progress] | 15:20 |
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| mrsmith | essentially, the snat host binding is not being done currently in the patch | 15:21 |
| mrsmith | so the agent doesn't apply the proper rules | 15:21 |
| mrsmith | Swami: can we chat later on this? | 15:21 |
| Swami | mrsmith: is this for the migration patch or in general. | 15:21 |
| mrsmith | certainly in general - but also with the patch | 15:22 |
| Swami | mrsmith: yes we can take it offline | 15:22 |
| mrsmith | this is the migration path | 15:22 |
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| Swami | #topic Horizon support for DVR | 15:22 |
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| Bhooshan | I have finished Enhancement of Horizon to support DVR, Build succeeded for the patch set 3 | 15:23 |
| viveknarasimhan | aleksandr query went unanswered | 15:23 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112583/ | 15:23 |
| viveknarasimhan | aleksandr: we are trying out basic live migration, and will keep you posted | 15:23 |
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| Swami | aleksandr_null: sorry I missed your comment. | 15:23 |
| Swami | we can discuss your query during the open discussion, is that ok for you. | 15:24 |
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| aleksandr_null | I'm sorry, of course it will work for me! | 15:24 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: Thanks for monitoring the comments. | 15:24 |
| Bhooshan | I have finished Enhancement of Horizon to support DVR, Build succeeded for the patch set 3 | 15:25 |
| Swami | Bhooshan: I did review your patch for the horizon work. | 15:25 |
| Bhooshan | So far I have received many valuable comments from the community and I have incorporated them. | 15:25 |
| Bhooshan | There was comments related to setting default value of distributed checkbox on horizon, right now there is no restful interface available For getting that value from netron.conf | 15:25 |
| Swami | Last week we proposed that you will be posting the screen shots for sharing. | 15:25 |
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| Swami | Bhooshan: Is there any REST api for exposing the configuration options in "neutron.conf" for Horizon | 15:26 |
| Swami | I am just checking, to understand | 15:26 |
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| Bhooshan | i checked horizon blueprint for adding the screenshot but could not find it | 15:27 |
| Bhooshan | i am not sure where to upload screenshots | 15:27 |
| Swami | I am not aware about any config file related options exposed in horizon. | 15:27 |
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| Swami | Bhooshan: that's fine, any way your patches are up, so anyone who wanted to test can include your patch and test it. | 15:28 |
| Bhooshan | yes | 15:28 |
| Bhooshan | Current implementation distributed checkbox is set to True, but in neutron.conf default value of distributed flag is set False. | 15:29 |
| Swami | Bhooshan: Even though we don't have the default option exposed through horizon,we do have an option to override the default configuration, which is more important. | 15:29 |
| viveknarasimhan | Bhooshan: please ensure UT coverage for your changes | 15:29 |
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| Swami | I don't think the CLI has an option to set the default value as well. | 15:29 |
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| viveknarasimhan | that will ensure things are not broken by other horizon rebases and commits | 15:30 |
| viveknarasimhan | CLI takes the default based on neutron.conf settings | 15:30 |
| viveknarasimhan | routers_distributed=True with normal router-create will | 15:30 |
| Swami | Bhooshan: In that case will it not be advisable to "remove" the "distributed checkbox". | 15:30 |
| viveknarasimhan | result in DVR | 15:30 |
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| Bhooshan | vivek: i will do that | 15:30 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: Yes CLI does not provide an option for the tenant to configure the "neutron.conf". | 15:31 |
| Bhooshan | Akihiro Motoki suggested to put checkbox | 15:31 |
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| Swami | Let us have a chat with Akihiro Motoki on that, why he requires a checkbox on the GUI, if something is already configured in the "neutron.conf" file. | 15:32 |
| Bhooshan | the checkbox is required for admin router creation form | 15:32 |
| amotoki | hey | 15:33 |
| Swami | amotoki: hi | 15:33 |
| amotoki | it seems you are discussing how to specify the "distributed" attr in horizon. | 15:33 |
| Swami | I was just hearing about a "checkbox" being introduced in the Horizon for the "default" configuration of distributed routers. | 15:34 |
| Swami | Is that required | 15:34 |
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| amotoki | In my understanding, there is three option: specify Distributed, specify Centeralized, and not specify any (leave the decision to the server). | 15:34 |
| Swami | amotoki: The default configuration is still going to reside in the "neutron.conf" file. The tenant or the admin today will not override that file from the GUI or from CLI. | 15:35 |
| Bhooshan | even if you specify default value inside neutron.conf from horizon side you have flexibility of creating DVR or CR | 15:35 |
| Rajeev | Bhooshan: only admin has that ability | 15:35 |
| Swami | Bhooshan: amotoki: Ok yes I agree with you. | 15:35 |
| Rajeev | i.e. Cloud Admin | 15:36 |
| Bhooshan | irrespective of default value | 15:36 |
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| Bhooshan | yes only cloud admin has that option | 15:36 |
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| Swami | Bhooshan: You mentioned that there is no Rest API. | 15:36 |
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| Swami | Bhooshan: what was that you were referrring to. | 15:36 |
| Bhooshan | Rest API for reading neutron.conf | 15:37 |
| viveknarasimhan | bhooshan was referring if there is API to read default value from neutron.conf | 15:37 |
| viveknarasimhan | oslo.cfg stores values from neutron.conf | 15:37 |
| viveknarasimhan | if horizon has access to oslo.cfg, we can take | 15:37 |
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| viveknarasimhan | it from there | 15:37 |
| Bhooshan | display on horizon side | 15:38 |
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| Swami | Bhooshan: amotoki: Yes what I am suggesting is we don't need to show the user, what default value is configured in the "neutron.conf" file. | 15:38 |
| Bhooshan | vivek: i have not investigated that option | 15:38 |
| Swami | All we wanted to provide is an option to set that value from the UI. | 15:39 |
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| viveknarasimhan | you can investigate | 15:39 |
| Bhooshan | swami: if that is the case I am pretty much done with Horizon changes for DVR | 15:39 |
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| viveknarasimhan | and post us update | 15:39 |
| Swami | Today in CLI or python-neutronclient, we don't show what is configured in the "neutron.conf" file for the distributed routers. | 15:39 |
| Swami | bhooshan: I can discuss with you offline on this. | 15:40 |
| viveknarasimhan | the issue with horizon is , it makes it easy to create other type of router by mistake | 15:40 |
| Bhooshan | swami: sure | 15:40 |
| amotoki | Swami: in CLI, if we don't specify any distributed option, no "distriburted" attr is sent to the server and the server decides what mode is used. | 15:40 |
| viveknarasimhan | if the combo /checkbox is setup to non-default values | 15:40 |
| amotoki | what I think we need is to allow this in horizon. | 15:41 |
| Swami | amotoki: No we there is some misunderstanding. The CLI provides an option as part of the "router resource" REST Api to set the distributed =False or distributed=True. | 15:41 |
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| amotoki | another choice is to always specify True/False for distributed. Is it better? | 15:41 |
| Swami | Bhooshan: mentioned in his message that there is no REST API to configure those options. | 15:42 |
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| Bhooshan | i mentioned there no option to read neuton.conf for getting the default value set | 15:42 |
| Swami | amotoki: yes I like your choice of always specifying True/False for distributed. | 15:42 |
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| amotoki | Swami: but CLI allows us not to specify "distrbuted" in REST API in POST request. | 15:43 |
| Swami | Bhooshan: amotoki: Yes that is want I am saying from the UI perspective you don't need to read what is configured in the "neutron.conf' file, but you can still set "distributed=true" or "distributed=false". | 15:43 |
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| amotoki | Swami: agree with that point. | 15:44 |
| Bhooshan | that is what we doing with distributed checkbox on horizon side | 15:44 |
| viveknarasimhan | swami: for admin creating a router | 15:44 |
| Swami | amotoki: No the current python neutronclient allows an admin to set "--distributed=True or --distributed=False". | 15:44 |
| viveknarasimhan | it is an additional step to carefully select checkbox now appropriately | 15:44 |
| viveknarasimhan | earlier that pain was not there | 15:44 |
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| viveknarasimhan | if we coudl feed the default to the checkbox of horizon, this prone error could be controlle | 15:45 |
| Bhooshan | vivek : in CLI you pass this argument while creating the DVR | 15:45 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: It is not a pain but a choosen path for DVR by the admins. | 15:45 |
| viveknarasimhan | yes, we pass in CLI | 15:45 |
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| viveknarasimhan | we will take this offline, i used the workflow... | 15:46 |
| amotoki | Swami: i understand only admin can specify --distributed option. | 15:46 |
| Bhooshan | we have feature available on horizon now | 15:46 |
| Swami | amotoki: Yes only admins can pass this value. | 15:46 |
| Bhooshan | sorry we have same feature available on horizon now | 15:46 |
| Bhooshan | with distributed checkbox | 15:46 |
| amotoki | precisely speaking, nonadmin can specify this option in CLI but as a result the neutron server rejects the option. | 15:47 |
| Swami | amotoki; Yes you are right. | 15:47 |
| amotoki | i don't check the latest version of Horizon review, so perhaps i am a bit out of the page. | 15:48 |
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| Swami | #topic Services | 15:49 |
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| Bhooshan | I am very much thankful to Amotoki and DVR team for giving this opportunity to work on Horizon and DVR team. | 15:49 |
| amotoki | I only hear the requirement from DVR team thru Bhooshan and I am not confident what I understand the requirements correctly. I will check it. | 15:49 |
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| Swami | Bhooshan: amotoki: Thanks a lot for a quick patch for the DVR support | 15:50 |
| amotoki | I also have how horizon DVR support should be. I will check it tomorrow. | 15:50 |
| amotoki | please move on the next topic. | 15:50 |
| Swami | amotoki: thanks | 15:51 |
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| Swami | We are working with the FWaaS team for support on DVR | 15:51 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113359/ | 15:51 |
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| Swami | The FWaaS team had posted a WIP patch on their work. Please review it for DVR. | 15:51 |
| Swami | Also on the LBaaS side as I mentioned in the Bugs section, I will be filing a bug to track the LBaaS issue with the DVR. | 15:52 |
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| Rajeev | just a clarification, FWaaS is first attempting single node SNAT capability | 15:53 |
| Rajeev | so the code is written to that effect | 15:53 |
| Swami | Today we found an issue with the LBaaS VIP port not able to get the FIP namespace when the LBaaS agent is running in a service node without nova. | 15:53 |
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| Swami | rajeev: They are targeting for North-South, but as I mentioned this is a WIP code, so the current code is just targetting to add FWaaS rules to the snat namespace and legacy router namespace. | 15:54 |
| Swami | But it will refine. | 15:55 |
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| Swami | For LBaaS i will file a bug and will provide a patch that will fix it. | 15:55 |
| Rajeev | Swami: thanks for FWaaS | 15:55 |
| Swami | Now coming to the VPNaaS | 15:55 |
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| Swami | We still don't have an implementaion or a solution ready for VPNaaS in a DVR scenario. So while we work on this, we also might have to prevent anyone from creating a VPNService with a DVR router. | 15:56 |
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| Swami | So I will work with the team to add a patch to prevent it. | 15:57 |
| Swami | #topic open discussion | 15:57 |
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| Rajeev | on VPNaaS, does the local router used for VPN route among local subnets or does it just forwards to the far subnets ? | 15:57 |
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| Swami | aleksandr_null: You had some topic on FIP, can you tell me. | 15:57 |
| Swami | aleksandr_null: are you still there | 15:58 |
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| aleksandr_null | yep | 15:58 |
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| aleksandr_null | I'm writing a question ;) | 15:58 |
| Swami | sure go ahead | 15:58 |
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| aleksandr_null | Yeah, Swami, so I didn't found in documents anything related migration of FIP when DVR is used. Because IP become a part of compute node where VM is located then we have to migrate it to another FIP on another compute node. | 15:59 |
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| aleksandr_null | Do we somehow reschedule a floating ip during live migration of instance ? | 16:00 |
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| Swami | aleksandr_null: We are currently working on dvr migration and will give an update on that . | 16:00 |
| mrsmith | it may need changes in the scheduler | 16:00 |
| mrsmith | in some ways it is like a new VM | 16:00 |
| Swami | We have not thought of the live migration of instance. So in this case you are talking about live migration of the VM and not the DVR. | 16:00 |
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| mrsmith | but you are right, the FIP needs to be re-scheduled to the new CN | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | Swami: time check | 16:01 |
| aleksandr_null | mrsmith: I agree. Looks like it should be initiated from nova. | 16:01 |
| Swami | aleksandr_null: can you send me an email and we can track it in email. | 16:01 |
| Swami | It is almost time now. | 16:01 |
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| Swami | bye guys and thank you for joining. | 16:01 |
| aleksandr_null | Of course, I will do! | 16:01 |
| aleksandr_null | Thanks guys! | 16:01 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 13 16:01:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-08-13-15.02.html | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-08-13-15.02.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-08-13-15.02.log.html | 16:02 |
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| banix | hi | 16:02 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:02 |
| asomya | hi | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | Hello | 16:02 |
| romilg | Hi All | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 13 16:02:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| amotoki | hello | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Agenda | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| emagana | hi all! | 16:03 |
| rkukura | The Juno feature proposal deadline is coming up next week, Thursday I think | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | This is when all BP implementation patches need to at least be in review | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | I know that some are not yet, at least my hierarchcial-port-binding patch. Any others of medium priority or above? | 16:05 |
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| shivharis | hi, sorry late. | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | I am working on one and hope to push later today | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | OK, we can discuss the individual BPs/patches later in the agenda | 16:06 |
| rkukura | #topic Action Items | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | #undo | 16:06 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x20f6710> | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Any other announcements? | 16:06 |
| rkukura | guess not | 16:07 |
| rkukura | #topic Action Items | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | rkukura to add comments to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1311470 (comments added by rkukura) | 16:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1311470 in neutron "Disabling an ML2 type driver can leave orphaned DB records" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:08 |
| shivharis | comments were added, but we need to get to a resolution. | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | I added a comment suggesting maybe this is best dealt with via documentation | 16:08 |
| shivharis | rkukura: thx for the comments added | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | Seems to me that the operator should not unconfigure a type driver while network segments of that type exist | 16:09 |
| rkukura | We could document SQL queries to determine if any such segments do exist, so these networks can be deleted first | 16:09 |
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| shivharis | so we want to document that not to remove type driver (absolutly or based on logs) | 16:09 |
| shivharis | assuming that the db is consulted and a log entry is created | 16:10 |
| rkukura | My suggestion is to document not removing a type driver when segments of that type exist | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | A DB query seems like the best way to determine that | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | emagana: perhaps you may want to add it in the documentation | 16:10 |
| shivharis | what if we make it even more stringent that no type driver should be un-configed - what gives? | 16:11 |
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| emagana | Sukhdev: good one! | 16:11 |
| rkukura | shivharis: I’m not sure we really need to prohibit ever un-configuring a type driver | 16:11 |
| emagana | Sukhdev & rkukura: Do you want me to open a bug in docs? | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | emagana: If the consensus is that this should be handled via docs, then I guess that makes sense | 16:12 |
| shivharis | rkukura: i am trying to determine what is the down side of not being able to un-config a type driver | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | emagana: we need to figure out what best way to document it | 16:12 |
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| emagana | Sukhdev: sorry, I was behind in the discussion, of course! | 16:13 |
| amotoki | IMO it is rare to change type driver configruation in production env, so adding it to docs sounds reasonable to me. | 16:13 |
| rkukura | Unconfiguring a type driver could be useful to prevent admins from creating provider networks of that type, but not much else | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | emagana: for example - do not do it. But, we have to also suggest a way to clean things | 16:13 |
| emagana | Sukhdev: +1 | 16:13 |
| rkukura | We could also document clearing the allocation table completely after un-configuring the driver | 16:14 |
| shivharis | i would vote for documenting that a type driver cannot be un-configed - operator reading logs etc is too much of a hassle | 16:14 |
| rkukura | I’m not suggesting to use the logs, I’m suggesting a DB query | 16:14 |
| rkukura | shivharis: I agree using the logs would be unworkable | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | Regardless of the details, are we agreeing this bug should be addressed via docs rather than code changes? | 16:15 |
| shivharis | rkukura: yes, docs it is | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: what happens on the deletes if a type driver is un-configured? can the resource be deleted from CLI? | 16:16 |
| emagana | is kevinbenton around? | 16:16 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Not sure - may get exception when driver can’t be found for the segment type | 16:17 |
| shivharis | i still like the simplicity of not being able to un-config (IMHO) | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura, emagana: so, in that case we have to document as to best ways to clean up the DB records | 16:17 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Other than docs, how would we prevent un-configing? | 16:17 |
| shivharis | the docs can say that we do not allow un-config | 16:18 |
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| emagana | Wouldn't be better to have a mechanism that always uses the old type driver even if it is disable until a conversation process is in place... (just ideas) | 16:19 |
| rkukura | Do we have agreement this should become a docs bug, or does anyone think a code change is in order? | 16:19 |
| emagana | rkukura: Does my previous idea sound crazy? | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: During init, we could check the DB and match against the installed type drivers - if mismatch, fail init | 16:19 |
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| shivharis | in my case there needs some code change that disallow this operation? I am also willing to go with the consensus | 16:20 |
| emagana | Sukhdev: I like that! It is protecting for a misconfiguration as well | 16:20 |
| rkukura | Given that we use entry points for drivers and config to load drivers, I’m not sure we have a way of preventing the unconfiguration of the loading of the driver | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | We could add a way to load the driver but disable it from being used for new segments | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | my understanding is that to un-configure a type driver, one has to restart - hence, failing init will work | 16:21 |
| shivharis | rkukura: can u please make the final decision.. i am ok with either | 16:21 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: The check at init time may be worthwhile | 16:21 |
| emagana | shivharis: I think we are working on that! | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | #action rkukura to add comment to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1311470 suggesting we check at init for segments without configured drivers | 16:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1311470 in neutron "Disabling an ML2 type driver can leave orphaned DB records" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:23 |
| emagana | IMHO (this is why I dont attend all meetings) a missing type driver in the configuration should let to a fail starting the server! | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura, emagana, shivharis: I propose that we split this bug into two - a documentation bug, as well modification to init() function | 16:23 |
| rkukura | #action emagana to file doc bug corresponding to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1311470 | 16:23 |
| emagana | emagana: This is why you should not attend meetings! You end up with action items! | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | emagana: you are funny!!! and I like that :-) | 16:24 |
| rkukura | Are we ready to move on? | 16:24 |
| shivharis | yes | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | yup | 16:25 |
| rkukura | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1311470 | 16:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1311470 in neutron "Disabling an ML2 type driver can leave orphaned DB records" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:25 |
| rkukura | sorry | 16:25 |
| emagana | Sukhdev: Just enjoying life! | 16:25 |
| rkukura | shivharis to track bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1352801 (carl baldwin added comments) | 16:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1352801 in neutron "l2pop to stop using tuples everywhere" [Medium,In progress] | 16:25 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Any update on this? | 16:25 |
| shivharis | next bug - introduced by dvr - reversed by carl b | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: to track bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1224978 (unit tests have been added, now need reviewers) | 16:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224978 in neutron "port binding on multi segment networks could lead to agent misconfiguration" [Medium,Fix committed] | 16:26 |
| shivharis | regression, will soon be ready to close | 16:26 |
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| rkukura | Do we need to keep action items on these two? | 16:26 |
| shivharis | need code reviewer - anyone? | 16:26 |
| shivharis | actually we should drop them as actions now. actions have been taken already | 16:27 |
| banix | shadower: will do | 16:27 |
| banix | shivharis: will do | 16:27 |
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| shivharis | anyone ready to code review the last one? | 16:28 |
| rkukura | I will | 16:29 |
| emagana | same here! | 16:29 |
| shivharis | thanks, lets move on | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | I see the comment to skip it this time | 16:30 |
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| shivharis | skip bugs this time, last time we needed more time for code reviews | 16:30 |
| shivharis | will come back again next week | 16:30 |
| rkukura | #topic Code Reviews | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews | 16:31 |
| sadasu_ | Need reviewers for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74134/7 esp cores | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | The wiki has been updated - please check to ensure it reflects your BP information correctly | 16:31 |
| rkukura | Did the priority column in the table disappear? | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: that was associated with the Spec priority - may have disappeared during migration | 16:32 |
| banix | probably we didnt have priority for code reviews; should add | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I just noticed the priority is there - but, only for specs - so, no migration error :-) | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | banix: correct - perhaps we should add | 16:33 |
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| banix | will do after the meeting | 16:33 |
| rkukura | Lets add the priority to the code review section as well, so we can be sure to cover the high and medium ones during the meeting | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: may want to assign an action | 16:34 |
| rkukura | volunteer? banix? | 16:34 |
| banix | rkukura: yes | 16:34 |
| banix | rkukura: i will do it | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | #action banix to add priority column to code review table in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews | 16:34 |
| rkukura | thanks | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | banix: Thanks - I was standing in line as a back up :-):-) | 16:34 |
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| banix | np | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | asomya1: Do you want to discuss the type driver work? | 16:35 |
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| asomya1 | rkukura: yes | 16:36 |
| asomya1 | Rkukura and i discussed the scope of the refactor yesterday and reduced it just to support dynamic segments in the Juno release | 16:36 |
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| asomya1 | Majoe refactor will be implemented in Kilo | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | asomya1: makes sense and reduces risk | 16:37 |
| asomya1 | The current scope entails adding a few columns to the network_segments table and adding a couple of methods in the type manager | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | I think asomya1 may move logic to the TypeManager in this round, but defer making the TypeDrivers manage their own segment properties in the DB | 16:38 |
| rkukura | asomya1: When do you expect an updated/new patch? | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | asomya1: do you have a writeup as to what columns will be added? | 16:38 |
| asomya1 | rkukura: that's correct, we;ll move segment management to the typemanager for now | 16:38 |
| asomya1 | sukhdev: The original spec that got approved had a lot of fields but now it's severely reduced. | 16:39 |
| asomya1 | I'll try to cook up a short google doc on the changes | 16:39 |
| rkukura | asomya1: Thanks! | 16:39 |
| asomya1 | I also wanted to roll in distinguishing between a tenant and provider network by introducing a boolean in the segments table, want to find out how others in the community feel about this? | 16:39 |
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| padkrish | asomya: +1 | 16:39 |
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| rcurran | asomya1, an obvious +1 from me | 16:40 |
| rkukura | asomya1: Would you somehow make that boolean visible to mechanism drivers? | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | asomya1: will it require modifications in the Mech drivers? | 16:40 |
| asomya1 | rkukura: yeah, we'll return it the the segments dict | 16:40 |
| asomya1 | sukhdev: nope, it'll be an extra field in the segments dict.. existing info doesn't get affected. | 16:40 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya1: good | 16:41 |
| asomya1 | Upto the mech drivers if they want to consume that bit | 16:41 |
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| rkukura | asomya1: And have you figured out whether “partial spec” segments are considered provider or not? | 16:41 |
| asomya1 | rkukura: Not yet, I'm starting a new patch for this work.. just modified the models etc.. moving onto the partial segments stuff | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya1, rkukura: So, the network context that comes down to Mech drivers will have these additional columns to support dynamic segments, right? | 16:42 |
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| rkukura | My preference would be to deal with this as two separate patches, both which could make Juno | 16:42 |
| asomya1 | sukhdev: dynamic segments probably will go in the port context | 16:42 |
| rkukura | The patch I' | 16:43 |
| asomya1 | rkukura: I can do two patches, is it acceptable against a single BP? | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | asomya1: sounds good - as long as it does not require last minutes updates from mech drivers, I am good with it | 16:43 |
| rkukura | The patch I’m working on adds PortContext.segments_to_bind property that will have either static or dynamic segments, depending on the level in the hierarchy | 16:43 |
| rkukura | asomya1: Multiple patches per BP is encouraged | 16:44 |
| asomya1 | rkukura: great , then i'll move it to a separate patch :) | 16:44 |
| rkukura | Next is my hierarchical port binding work | 16:44 |
| rkukura | I’ve got a patch started | 16:44 |
| rkukura | I’m now pretty sure we need to store the segment_id and driver for each level of the binding in the DB, so I need to change the model a bit. | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: how do you get the driver info? The registered drivers have to provide additional attributes? | 16:47 |
| rkukura | But the DVR-related port binding changes have resulted in two different port binding tables. So armax and I have been looking into how to clean up the port binding schema | 16:47 |
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| rkukura | I’ll be introducing a new config variable to describe port bindings as described in the spec. | 16:47 |
| rkukura | Anyway, I expect to have this worked out soon, and a patch in review (maybe WIP) at the end of this week.. | 16:48 |
| rkukura | kevinbenton: Should we discuss external ports? | 16:49 |
| padkrish | i have added cases in the google docs for hierarchical binding, this can act as a starting point for discussion. So, encourage folks to go through it and provide comments. | 16:49 |
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| banix | pdmars: link? | 16:49 |
| banix | padkrish: link? | 16:50 |
| padkrish | banix# https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rqTHiLgV_3bw3nbiggY_xM-xETDsw0aK5rZZVXopSU8/edit?pli=1#heading=h.3gt7q76urxew | 16:50 |
| banix | padkrish: thanks | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: time check - there is a new item on the agenda proposed by Andreas - we need to give him some time | 16:50 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: thanks | 16:50 |
| banix | hi scheuran | 16:51 |
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| scheuran | hi | 16:51 |
| rkukura | Any other non-vendor-specific BPs that we need to discuss right now? | 16:51 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: extension-in-ml2 that I'm going to talk to Mark about it | 16:52 |
| banix | Andreas scheuran: can you briefly explain your question | 16:52 |
| rkukura | nlahouti: right, I was just going to mention that. Let me know if I can help. | 16:52 |
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| scheuran | banix: yes, sure. thanks for the time | 16:52 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: sure | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | #topic: Support for network adaptors that do not allow promiscuous mode (relevant for flat & vlan networking) | 16:53 |
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| scheuran | I wanted to get some feedback if we could add support for networks adaptors that do not support promisc mode into exsiting ml2 drivers/agents | 16:53 |
| banix | Sukhdev: in case you didnt know Andreas was scheuran :) | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I did not know - but, now I do - thanks | 16:54 |
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| scheuran | Promisc mode is always required when not having a tunnel, so in vlan or flat mode | 16:54 |
| banix | rkukura: sorry i may have jumped the gun; thught we got to andreas topic | 16:54 |
| rkukura | banix: no problem | 16:54 |
| scheuran | What you have to do in such a case is to register the mac addresses of the guests in the linux device driver | 16:55 |
| scheuran | E.g. the openvswitch agent could do this | 16:55 |
| scheuran | Any thoughts on this? | 16:55 |
| scheuran | This registration can be done via user space (e.g. using bridge fdb add) command on the backing eth device | 16:55 |
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| scheuran | or directly in the linux net driver (which is not very openstack like I guess) | 16:55 |
| rkukura | scheuran: Do you see this as more of a bug fix, or a BP to be proposed for Kilo? | 16:56 |
| scheuran | I guess it's more a feature, so I guess a blueprint | 16:56 |
| rkukura | scheuran: agreed | 16:56 |
| banix | but perhaps a very small feature | 16:57 |
| rkukura | How common are adapters that need this? | 16:57 |
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| shivharis | scheuran: usually promiscuous mode is not supported for security reasons? | 16:57 |
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| scheuran | shivharis: yes, it's sold as feature that the card does not have promisc mode | 16:58 |
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| banix | shivharis: i think so | 16:58 |
| scheuran | it's more in the enterprise computing segment | 16:58 |
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| banix | shivharis: think enterprise :) | 16:58 |
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| shivharis | we are saying - allow mac spoofing now | 16:59 |
| banix | scheuran: was thinking the same thing | 16:59 |
| rkukura | OK, sounds like a good BP to propose | 16:59 |
| rkukura | Anything else on this? | 16:59 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:59 |
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| shivharis | add a bp we should discuss | 16:59 |
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| rkukura | Or anything else? | 16:59 |
| scheuran | rkukura: ok thanks. I'll go ahead and file a bp | 16:59 |
| rkukura | scheuran: thanks | 17:00 |
| rkukura | Seems we are done... | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | right on time - | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 13 17:00:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| banix | thanks everybody | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | thanks | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-08-13-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| emagana | hasta pronto camaradas! | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-08-13-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| sadasu_ | looking for reviewers for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74134/7 | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-08-13-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
| banix | bye | 17:00 |
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| shivharis | bue | 17:00 |
| rkukura | bye | 17:00 |
| shivharis | bye | 17:00 |
| yamamoto | bye | 17:00 |
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| scheuran | bye | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 13 17:01:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: designate)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Heya - Who's here? | 17:01 |
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| timsim | o/ | 17:02 |
| eankutse | o/ | 17:02 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:02 |
| rjrjr_ | here | 17:02 |
| vinod1 | o/ | 17:02 |
| Kiall | Cool - Let's get started then :) | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | No actions from the last mee | 17:03 |
| Kiall | t | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | #topic Release Status | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/juno-3 | 17:03 |
| Kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | j3 is Sep 4th | 17:04 |
| richm | here | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | I think the BP/Bug list @ https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/juno-3 is accurate and up to date | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | Other than Alex's "DNSupdate API - simplified DDNS update" BP | 17:04 |
| timsim | Looks like pretty good progress has been made. | 17:04 |
| Kiall | I've not seen anything on that one, anyone know anything about it? | 17:04 |
| Kiall | if not - I'll bump. | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | [MiniDNS] Extend Designate's TSIG Key support to allow scoped TSIG keys <- | 17:05 |
| mugsie | what the status with that one? | 17:05 |
| mugsie | is it in for j3? | 17:05 |
| Kiall | It should be done in time, I'll be doing it this week. | 17:05 |
| mugsie | kk | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Any other BPs etc not listed that should be? Lauchpad is awful for finding stuff. | 17:06 |
| mugsie | mdns-designate-mdns-axfr ? | 17:06 |
| Kiall | That's listed | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/mdns-designate-mdns-axfr | 17:07 |
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| vinod1 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/mdns-designate-mdns-tsig is not listed for j3 | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | ah - nice catch vinod1 - that should be in too | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | done. | 17:08 |
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| timsim | Reckon server pools bps will be for the next one? | 17:09 |
| mugsie | I think some could be alright | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | but... Openstack convention is not to do feature work past j3 riught? | 17:09 |
| Kiall | Anything we can land without 1) breaking juno or 2) causing too much juno feature distraction is likely OK.. But I expect many of the BP and pool reviews will land in kilo | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Convention says no new features from 3 weeks from now | 17:10 |
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| timsim | Probably good then. | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | are we creating a new branch after j3 for server pools etc? | 17:10 |
| mugsie | thoughts on a feature branch for it? I have no problem maintaining it | 17:11 |
| Kiall | vinod1: need to talk to infra re that.. maybe.. | 17:11 |
| mugsie | (aka rebasing master etc) | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | you want to action me or you to talk to -infra? | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Part of the reason it's not the done thing is it's a distraction from stabilizing the release etc | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | Kiall: ^ | 17:11 |
| Kiall | I will, | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | #action kiall to talk to infra re SP branch... | 17:12 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Shall we move on and come back to ^ next week? | 17:12 |
| Kiall | Taking silence as a yes :) | 17:13 |
| Kiall | #topic Server Pools specifications | 17:13 |
| timsim | Sure. | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/112688 - Server Pools - MiniDNS support | 17:13 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/113462 - Server Pools - Manager | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/113447 - Server Pools - Storage | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Those are the 3 I've noticed land - did I miss any? | 17:13 |
| vinod1 | Nope - that's it | 17:14 |
| Kiall | s/land/be sumitted/ | 17:14 |
| mugsie | nope - I have an updated one to upload later on today | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Who's had time to read them all? | 17:14 |
| eankutse | I've read one | 17:14 |
| rjrjr_ | i have. 8^) | 17:14 |
| eankutse | I am working towards the others | 17:14 |
| vinod1 | i have | 17:14 |
| mugsie | not yet | 17:14 |
| timsim | I haven't :x | 17:14 |
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| vinod1 | though not the latest changes to pools manager | 17:15 |
| Kiall | Okay.. Do the authors have anything in particular they want to discuss re them? | 17:15 |
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| rjrjr_ | i just wanted to let people know they are there and to start reviewing them. | 17:16 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: makes sense :) | 17:16 |
| vinod1 | Re: https://review.openstack.org/112688 - Server Pools - MiniDNS support | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Q - What BPs are still outstanding? | 17:16 |
| rjrjr_ | is there a way to look at them in a web page even though they are in review? | 17:16 |
| rjrjr_ | API is still outstanding | 17:16 |
| mugsie | rjrjr_: yeah - the docs build job link | 17:16 |
| vinod1 | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/47/113447/3/check/gate-designate-specs-docs/4afac22/doc/build/html/specs/juno/server-pools-storage.html | 17:16 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: yes, use the -docs link posted by Jenkins after the build is done | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Who's on point for the API one, was that you mugsie? | 17:17 |
| rjrjr_ | also, i don't have permissions to update the original BP link in launchpad. | 17:17 |
| rjrjr_ | API was becky | 17:17 |
| vinod1 | you mean Betsy? | 17:17 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: really? Ugh. Launchpad is a PITA | 17:17 |
| rjrjr_ | ^original BP link = specifications link | 17:17 |
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| vinod1 | Betsy is off this week | 17:18 |
| Kiall | Okay, well, should we review what we have this week, but hold off merging any until we have all the pieces in place etc | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | yup | 17:19 |
| rjrjr_ | yes, betsy. sorry ... | 17:19 |
| vinod1 | Re: Server Pools - MiniDNS support, I have put some alternatives and reasonings under "Design considerations" | 17:19 |
| Kiall | #action all to review the SP blueprints while the mid-cycle is still fresh. | 17:19 |
| vinod1 | rjrjr_: I had one question | 17:19 |
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| vinod1 | Where/How would the pool manager know of the nameservers? | 17:19 |
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| rjrjr_ | it reads them from the configuration file | 17:20 |
| vinod1 | Would that be covered in one of your specs? | 17:20 |
| rjrjr_ | name servers is from the servers table | 17:20 |
| Kiall | Yes, for initial V1, the list of nameservers should be read from config, keeping things simple for now. | 17:20 |
| rjrjr_ | the difficulty with writing that spec. are you talking backend DNS servers (the ones in config) or NS records? | 17:21 |
| vinod1 | the backend DNS servers | 17:21 |
| rjrjr_ | config file | 17:21 |
| mugsie | config file - that should be part of the -manager spec | 17:21 |
| Kiall | Total side note.. But if we can't keep the names straight in our heads, we need to fix it before exposing to users.. | 17:22 |
| rjrjr_ | i have it in the storage spec, but i'll move it to be more clear. | 17:22 |
| mugsie | rjrjr_: cool | 17:22 |
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| rjrjr_ | i had a difficult time with it. i know we have NS records (servers table) and servers. very hard to write the spec with that clash. | 17:23 |
| mugsie | I will add a terminology section to the overall spec as well | 17:23 |
| mugsie | and we can then agree on the lexicon | 17:23 |
| Kiall | mugsie: good idea | 17:23 |
| rjrjr_ | i kept hoping betsy's record table changes were done. | 17:23 |
| rjrjr_ | it has a ns_records table which should replace the servers table. | 17:23 |
| mugsie | we can bump that up as a requirement, if needs be] | 17:24 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: I'm not sure it would, since end users can create NS records which we don't manage etc | 17:24 |
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| rjrjr_ | are NS records really an attribute of a pool? | 17:25 |
| rjrjr_ | we have them now, but ... | 17:25 |
| Kiall | Yes, they become an attr of the pool if memory serves me... | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | #action mugsie to write up SP terminology section in the main SP blueprint. | 17:26 |
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| rjrjr_ | what is the purpose of having them there versus just creating them in the zone? | 17:26 |
| rjrjr_ | like we do with other records? | 17:26 |
| rjrjr_ | the only reason to have it in the pool is because one is required for a zone. | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | Well, they will exist in both places.. as NS records in the `records` (or `ns_records`) table, and those will be kept up to date with the the values for the pool. | 17:27 |
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| rjrjr_ | that is what i had assumed | 17:27 |
| mugsie | but we would have to store the inital pool ns records somewhere as well | 17:28 |
| Kiall | mugsie: exactly :) | 17:28 |
| rjrjr_ | ns_records table with a pool_id column in that table. | 17:28 |
| eankutse | that sounds reasonable to me | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | probably managed = True, managed_type = pool, managed_id = $pool_id etc - matching what we do elsewhere | 17:29 |
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| mugsie | yeah... that ^ could work | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | Okay .. Let's move on? A few actions above, and a few BP's to read + review before next week. | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | #topic Follow-up discussion on Database/MiniDNS scalability | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/MdnsScalability | 17:30 |
| Kiall | we had a quick chat re timsim's concerns in #openstack-dns yesterday if anyone feels like reading the scrollback | 17:31 |
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| timsim | Essentially our folks are worried about MiniDNS relying on/reading from a database many times that could be far away, and whose connection could die periodically. They're not convinced at all about replicating MySQL on the scale we'd need. | 17:31 |
| Kiall | timsim: want to recap the concerns? | 17:31 |
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| timsim | We had a couple of possible solutions, or mitigations, to this issue that I posted on that page. | 17:31 |
| eankutse | ^ #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/MdnsScalability | 17:32 |
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| timsim | Namely reimplementing the agent as a sort of reflection of MiniDNS that sat on a Bind9 Master, that would allow Bind9 to maintain a traditional Master-slave set up. This would just be another pool manager plugin for Bind9, apart from the default one. | 17:32 |
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| timsim | There was also talk of implementing some sort of NoSQL storage backend. | 17:33 |
| timsim | Or Caching at the MiniDNS level. | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | yeah - I think we should get the AFXR support merged, and the do real life load testing | 17:34 |
| mugsie | across multiple continents | 17:34 |
| Kiall | From the discussion yesterday, We (I anyway!) came to the conclusion that A) timsim's concerns are valid (just putting it out there..) and B) We have a bunch of ways to fix it, some in mDNS directly (caching..) and some external to mDNS etc, which can be implemented in isolation. | 17:34 |
| richm | How is scaling the mDNS database different than scaling any other MySQL/NoSQL application? | 17:35 |
| Kiall | mugsie: yep - Once we have AXFR merged, we can really start testing for scale issues | 17:35 |
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| mugsie | personally I am not sure how Option 1 is any better that async MySQL replication - Cassandra / Mongo have to send the same data the same distance - they are also eventually consistant | 17:35 |
| rjrjr_ | is one designate database necessary are can we break things up by region, pool, etc.? | 17:35 |
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| timsim | richm: Specifically it's replicating the entire Designate database. | 17:35 |
| Kiall | richm: I personally agree with that, and think NoSQL is probably not the best option | 17:35 |
| rjrjr_ | say these Designate instances manage these pools these servers these zones have one database. these other Designate instnaces manage these other pools other servers other zones on another database. | 17:36 |
| mugsie | but I would think that we would get a lot better of an idea with real world replictaion tests | 17:36 |
| timsim | DandyPandy: If you're around, could you talk briefly about the issues of scaling MySQL that far? | 17:36 |
| DandyPandy | Sure | 17:36 |
| mugsie | rjrjr_: the data still has to get from say, Austin -> Sydney | 17:37 |
| timsim | DandyPandy is one of our Ops guys. | 17:37 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:37 |
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| DandyPandy | MySQL master/slave replication is prone to breaking and there are no good way to cleanly recover that replication in an automated fashion. | 17:37 |
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| DandyPandy | Using Galera is horrible over highly latent connections since writes are done synchronously. | 17:37 |
| rjrjr_ | you distribute the data like we distribute DNS zones in a typical DNS setup. | 17:38 |
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| eankutse | I hear that the MuSQL replication gets even worse if you go past one slave | 17:38 |
| timsim | rjrjr_: That's fine if you don't need the same pools replicated in two different places. | 17:38 |
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| Kiall | Yep - Galera over WAN == Pain, but one way MySQL replication cross continent isn't something I've heard Ops folks say is broken before | 17:38 |
| mugsie | yeah - tbh, I know master -> slave was an issue in the past, but I thought it was solved | 17:39 |
| DandyPandy | Kiall: The problem is that it requires manual intervention when it does fail. | 17:39 |
| richm | I guess I don't understand - is there something different about designate/dns that makes the db scaling/high availability/wan problem much harder? I thought this was a pretty standard deployment configuration for distributed databases. | 17:39 |
| DandyPandy | mysql isn't a distributed database | 17:40 |
| richm | That is - designate cannot be the first application to have faced this problem | 17:40 |
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| mugsie | ok - so its a MySQL specific problem | 17:40 |
| Kiall | DandyPandy: Yes, MySQL has no automated recovery built in, but lots of tooling exists to automate etc.. Anyway.. I guess this is all besides the point, global DB replication is something that we should probably work to make optional if at all possible. | 17:40 |
| mugsie | how about other SQL DBs? | 17:41 |
| Kiall | (i.e. I agree, we should look for + find alternatives)_ | 17:41 |
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| richm | I doubt that designate is even the first openstack component to have faced this problem | 17:41 |
| DandyPandy | richm: I think most people use API's rather than direct db connections | 17:41 |
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| Kiall | richm: the issue is, once all the DNS servers start hitting the DB, the query load will be much higher. | 17:41 |
| mugsie | yeah - but the miniDNS server queries will be read only | 17:42 |
| Kiall | with millions of zones and a short refresh internal, and N masters listed on each backend DNS server, the #'s get pretty large | 17:42 |
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| eankutse | ++ | 17:42 |
| DandyPandy | something that could be eventually-consistent (such as cassandra), would be awesome, but I understand that isn't something openstack is particularly open to | 17:42 |
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| mugsie | And, I think we do need to improve caching in any case (even excluing multi continental links) | 17:43 |
| Kiall | mugsie: Yes, which read only MySQL slaves essentially solves .. But it requires global mysql slaves, which DandyPandy etc are hoping to avoid.. | 17:43 |
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| Kiall | DandyPandy: Yea, OpenStack as a whole is mostly a MySQL shop.. even when we claim support for others ;) | 17:43 |
| mugsie | yeah ... but any of the solutions will most likely require a DB slave of some sort in each POP | 17:44 |
| DandyPandy | Kiall: BUT SQLALCHEMY SUPPORTS ORACLE!!! | 17:44 |
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| timsim | Problem solved ^ | 17:44 |
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| Kiall | DandyPandy: I wouldn't shout that too loud.. The SQLA author is now working on OpenStack for RedHat ;) | 17:44 |
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| Kiall | (He's probably in the room right now ;)) | 17:44 |
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| mugsie | :) | 17:45 |
| mugsie | Can we agree to come back to the is with real data? | 17:45 |
| Kiall | Anyway .. I think we should figure out if there are any reasonable alternatives to global MySQL read only slaves, some ideas are in the wiki page timsim put together.. Can we all have a read and a think, then come back to this? | 17:46 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:46 |
| rjrjr_ | +1 | 17:46 |
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| timsim | Kiall: +1 i can add some thoughts on caching as well. | 17:46 |
| eankutse | + | 17:46 |
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| timsim | Maybe we chat on it again next week? | 17:46 |
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| mugsie | cool | 17:47 |
| rjrjr_ | seems like a solution should align with pools since that is the reason we are using pools. | 17:47 |
| Kiall | I also asked timsim to try get some real life numbers, even if they are just distributions of query types/sizes/etc rather than absolute numbers (I can see absolute numbers being hard to release..) at least then, we'll have a better idea of where to work on first | 17:47 |
| mugsie | rjrjr_: I think this will be a 'optional add on' | 17:47 |
| timsim | Kiall: Working on that ;) | 17:47 |
| mugsie | 95% use case will be the standard one we have laid out | 17:48 |
| timsim | mugsie: agree. | 17:48 |
| Kiall | agreed with mugsie there, We need to be careful to keep things simple for tiny deploys, while also supporting large scale | 17:48 |
| mugsie | this will be for the top 5%, or even 1% (or even... single) deployments | 17:48 |
| timsim | The issues we're talking about are for really big deployments. | 17:48 |
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| eankutse | mugsie: :-) | 17:48 |
| mugsie | but it does deserve carefull consideration | 17:48 |
| Kiall | #action all to review https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/MdnsScalability | 17:48 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to put MdnsScalability back on agenda for next week. | 17:49 |
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| Kiall | Anything else on this before we move to Open Discussion? | 17:49 |
| timsim | DandyPandy: Thanks for stopping by | 17:49 |
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| DandyPandy | timsim: not a problem! | 17:50 |
| Kiall | DandyPandy: yep - thanks, hopefully we can have a more involved conversation next week ;) | 17:50 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:50 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Anyone have any off-agenda items? | 17:50 |
| mugsie | yup - 1 | 17:50 |
| mugsie | the review list is getting.... long | 17:51 |
| mugsie | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/designate,n,z | 17:51 |
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| vinod1 | I will take a look at some of them later today | 17:51 |
| mugsie | just to keep on top of it | 17:51 |
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| Kiall | Yea, with mugsie + myself away for the last 2.5 weeks, betsy away this week, the list has grown ;) | 17:52 |
| timsim | mugsie: Somewhat unrelated, is it possible to share that dashboard you showed at the mid-cycle? | 17:52 |
| mugsie | timsim: yup | 17:52 |
| mugsie | will put a link on the wiki | 17:52 |
| Kiall | So not gonna work... | 17:52 |
| mugsie | (it is quite lng) | 17:52 |
| Kiall | https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=%28project%3Aopenstack%2Fdesignate+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fpython-designateclient+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fdesignate-specs%29+status%3Aopen+NOT+owner%3Aself+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D-1+label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%252cjenkins+NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3E%3D-2%252cself+branch%3Amaster&title=Designate+Review+Inbox+%28master+branch+only%29&Needs+Feedback+%28Changes+older+than+5+days+that+have+not | 17:52 |
| Kiall | +been+reviewed+by+anyone%29=NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3C%3D2+age%3A5d&Your+are+a+reviewer%2C+but+haven%27t+voted+in+the+current+revision=reviewer%3Aself&Needs+final+%2B2=label%3ACode-Review%3E%3D2+limit%3A50&Passed+Jenkins%2C+No+Negative+Feedback=NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3E%3D2+NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3C%3D-1+limit%3A50&Wayward+Changes+%28Changes+with+no+code+review+in+the+last+2days%29=NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3C%3D2+age%3A2d&Specs+in+need+ | 17:52 |
| Kiall | of+review=project%3Aopenstack%2Fdesignate-specs | 17:52 |
| timsim | lol | 17:53 |
| mugsie | i knew ^ wouldnt work ;) | 17:53 |
| Kiall | http://paste.openstack.org/show/94532/ | 17:53 |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:53 |
| mugsie | even if non cores had a look, it makes core reviewing easier | 17:53 |
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| timsim | Yeah that's cool. | 17:53 |
| Kiall | Okay - 5 mins before we get kicked out by Trove, anything else? | 17:54 |
| eankutse | Cool stuff | 17:54 |
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| Kiall | Going once.... | 17:55 |
| mugsie | link is here for futre reference https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate#Review_Dashboard | 17:55 |
| Kiall | Okay, let's call it so, thanks all :) | 17:55 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:55 |
| eankutse | thx | 17:55 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 13 17:56:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-08-13-17.01.html | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-08-13-17.01.txt | 17:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-08-13-17.01.log.html | 17:56 |
| timsim | See ya! | 17:56 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 13 18:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | Agenda at: | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:00 |
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| amcrn | o/ | 18:00 |
| kevinconway | o/ | 18:00 |
| pdmars | o/ | 18:00 |
| tvoran | o/ | 18:01 |
| grapex | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Juno Midcycle meetup proposed agenda | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/JunoMidCycleMeetup | 18:01 |
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| iccha | o/ | 18:01 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: Did you have something for us? | 18:03 |
| amrith | yes | 18:03 |
| glucas | o/ | 18:03 |
| amrith | was waiting fr the hand-off ;) | 18:03 |
| amrith | so a couple of things | 18:03 |
| denis_makogon | it would never end =) | 18:03 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:03 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:03 |
| schang | o/ | 18:03 |
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| amrith | if you are coming in on Tuesday and are going to be at Trove day, there's a cocktail party in the evening | 18:03 |
| amrith | please join us there | 18:03 |
| amrith | On Wednesday evening we're going to have a happy hour. | 18:03 |
| amrith | on Thursday there's a baseball game ... | 18:04 |
| amrith | On Friday (unfortunately) we all go our merry ways ;) | 18:04 |
| robertmy_ | o/ | 18:04 |
| amrith | I will be emailing all attendees with location information | 18:04 |
| amrith | for the meetings | 18:04 |
| grapex | baseball game? | 18:04 |
| amrith | I have not heard from anyone in response to my email | 18:04 |
| grapex | and I just threw out my shoulder... :( | 18:04 |
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| amrith | asking about whether they'll be there or not | 18:04 |
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| amrith | so if you are not going to be attending (but had registered) please let me know | 18:05 |
| amrith | so we don't waste food and stuff | 18:05 |
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| dougshelley66 | grapex, i believe the baseball game is sponsored by Rax | 18:05 |
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| denis_makogon | amrith, what about hangout attendance? | 18:05 |
| amrith | other than that, about the agenda | 18:05 |
| nehav | that is correct rackspace is sponsoring the game | 18:05 |
| nehav | and i have a count of 30 people for the game. | 18:05 |
| amrith | it would be good if we could focus some time (maybe the 4 hours we have on bp and docs could give us some time) to talk about backlog | 18:05 |
| amrith | thanks to rax for the game ... | 18:06 |
| amrith | thanks to HP for the happy hour ... | 18:06 |
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| amrith | what else. I see some questions. | 18:06 |
| denis_makogon | unfortunalety, i'm not able to come over, that's why i'd request the one of possible ways to participate through hangout/webex or skype | 18:06 |
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| amrith | will try to do hangout and things | 18:06 |
| amrith | but the experience from austin was mixed | 18:06 |
| denis_makogon | yeah | 18:06 |
| denis_makogon | bad mic =( | 18:07 |
| amrith | I'm not certain that we are in a location with high speed high bandwidth internet | 18:07 |
| amrith | to support streaming video | 18:07 |
| grapex | Plus a court order prohibits me from appearing on any videos on the internet | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | at least could someone record all days ? | 18:07 |
| amrith | we had not planned on it | 18:07 |
| amrith | that's a costly undertaking to get a professional quality video | 18:07 |
| amrith | so if someone would like to volunteer to do it, that would be super. | 18:08 |
| denis_makogon | it would be great to have video records in the end, to stay on the same way with all of you folks | 18:08 |
| ruebenramirez | o/ | 18:08 |
| denis_makogon | another question is related to agenda | 18:08 |
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| glucas | grapex: we'll blur your face. | 18:08 |
| cweid | o/ | 18:08 |
| denis_makogon | i don't see any topic related to monitoring thing | 18:09 |
| amrith | SlickNik, ... I'm done. | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | denis_makogon: It's under OpenStack integration | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | (integration with ceilometer) | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | thanks amrith | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, i see | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | thanks | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | Any other questions? | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | nope | 18:10 |
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| iccha | SlickNik: will we have owners and etherpads for sessions like in oepnstack summit? | 18:10 |
| iccha | and will they be up before the midcycle so we have an idea about what is going to be disucssed | 18:10 |
| sgotliv | o/ | 18:11 |
| denis_makogon | i guess etherpads are reserve by the default | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | iccha: Yes, I'll link the etherpads by today, so folks can go over and start filling them out over the next few days. | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | iccha: Thanks for the reminder! | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, let's move on to the next topic in the agenda. | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | #topic Heads up: Clustering implementation has landed in Gerrit | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | amcrn / mat-lowery: all yours | 18:12 |
| amcrn | nothing much to say here, just an fyi that we've landed the first iteration of clustering in the public gerrit | 18:12 |
| amcrn | working on porting an internal wiki with more details to a public one | 18:13 |
| amcrn | but beyond that, let us know what you think, and ping myself or mat-lowery or ramashri if you have any questions | 18:13 |
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| denis_makogon | amcrn, cool, would be nice to see doc that describes implemented framework | 18:13 |
| denis_makogon | amcrn, i've got question | 18:13 |
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| denis_makogon | amcrn, does clustering implementation for mongodb covers mongo replication ? | 18:14 |
| amcrn | denis_makogon: are you referring to master/slave, or vanilla replica-sets, or ? | 18:14 |
| denis_makogon | amcrn, correct, master-slave | 18:14 |
| amcrn | either way, only sharding is support in this push. | 18:15 |
| amcrn | supported* | 18:15 |
| amrith | denis_makogon, I don't know what your question is about google calendars. | 18:15 |
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| denis_makogon | amcrn, i'd like to start working on mongo replication under replication v1 | 18:15 |
| amrith | denis_makogon, I don't use google calendar. | 18:15 |
| denis_makogon | amrith, let's talk about that after the meeting | 18:15 |
| amcrn | denis_makogon: let's chat about it offline, we've got some prior art for it | 18:15 |
| amrith | denis_makogon, if it relates to mid-cycle, let's talk about it here. | 18:16 |
| denis_makogon | amcrn, cool, thanks | 18:16 |
| denis_makogon | amrith, ok | 18:16 |
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| denis_makogon | amrith, could you please create events in google calendar and share it for all ? | 18:16 |
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| amrith | denis_makogon, I don't use google calendar. | 18:16 |
| kevinconway | amrith: sounds like you should check it out | 18:16 |
| denis_makogon | amrith, it would be easier to use hangout and calendar events | 18:17 |
| amrith | kevinconway, I will do that in my copious spare time. Maybe on 23rd ;) | 18:17 |
| grapex | amrith: also, did you send out the save the dates? I never got mine. :( | 18:17 |
| kevinconway | you can also have task checklists on your google calendar | 18:17 |
| grapex | Now I don't know where Trove is registered! | 18:17 |
| amrith | grapex, I save the date for you | 18:17 |
| kevinconway | if you click on dates in your gmail it auto creates calendar events | 18:18 |
| amrith | I saved the date for you, just for you. | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | Okay, I think we're straying a bit off the topic here. | 18:18 |
| amrith | SlickNik, sorry. | 18:18 |
| denis_makogon | sorry | 18:18 |
| kevinconway | you can store photos on google too! | 18:18 |
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| grapex | Let's all agree Google technology is interesting and move on. :p | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | amcrn: Thanks for the heads up wrt the clustering patches! | 18:19 |
| amcrn | SlickNik: word | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | And for pushing them up. | 18:19 |
| kevinconway | amrith: can you share the cluster patch with us on google plus? | 18:19 |
| kevinconway | i'm done. | 18:19 |
| amrith | +1 | 18:19 |
| glucas | kevinconway: LOL | 18:19 |
| grapex | Sorry guys, kevinconway is actually a google stealth marketter | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:20 |
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| amrith | I have one ... | 18:20 |
| denis_makogon | i've got one question | 18:20 |
| nehav | i have one too | 18:20 |
| denis_makogon | amrith, go ahead | 18:20 |
| amrith | neha ... go ahead | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | Okay, amrith go for it | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | or neha | 18:20 |
| amrith | chivalry isn't dead here ;) | 18:20 |
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| amrith | neha? | 18:21 |
| amrith | I was only going to ask about this calendar thing. I'm not sure what this concept of calendar for hangouts is. | 18:22 |
| nehav | cp16 proposed this bp in the public https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/default-configuration-values-for-datastore-version-flavor | 18:22 |
| nehav | for adding a new api call to create a config with default params | 18:22 |
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| nehav | we would like to add more information about the params and have extended the bp here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/verbose-default-configuration-values#Get_default_configuration_values_for_datastore_version_and_flavor_.28GET.29 | 18:22 |
| nehav | this would help that when we invoke this API call we can provide the min, max and other characteristics to the user which will be important. This would help users to be more aware of the param values and ensure they dont blow up the configs | 18:24 |
| nehav | thoughts? | 18:24 |
| amrith | neha, I haven't read it in detail but I will definitely provide feedback on Monday | 18:24 |
| amrith | will it be on the agenda for the monday meeting? | 18:24 |
| nehav | we can add it. i guess a lot of people may be travelling this mon though | 18:25 |
| amrith | good point (some of us are in Boston already ;)) | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | So to understand correctly, this is in place of the earlier implementation? (or is it in addition to?) | 18:25 |
| nehav | basically adding more info in the response of the api call | 18:26 |
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| cp16net | yeah adding the validation rules to each default config | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | Got it. Seems reasonable that users would want to know the rule set for min value, max value, etc. | 18:27 |
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| SlickNik | I'd suggest giving folks some time to review the change, talking about it again on Monday (or at the mid-cycle) | 18:28 |
| amrith | nehav, in effect you are asking for a way to get a listing of a configuration of a template directly, without having a running instance? | 18:28 |
| nehav | yes it will be much easier to have the info in this api call, rather than calling config param details for each parameter | 18:28 |
| cp16net | the payload changed from the original spec thats about all | 18:28 |
| nehav | amrith correct | 18:28 |
| cp16net | yup | 18:28 |
| nehav | this is why this new api call was proposed | 18:28 |
| amrith | the spec seems to focus on mysql. I assume some accommodation will be made for other datastores as well? | 18:28 |
| cp16net | its abstract | 18:28 |
| cp16net | thats what we focus on mainly | 18:29 |
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| cp16net | meaning the tests in the gate | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | Seems reasonable to me. Any other feedback? | 18:30 |
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| amrith | cp16net, is there a way to list all templates? | 18:30 |
| cp16net | yeah... flavor-list | 18:31 |
| amrith | SlickNik, is there a decision we plan to take on this today? | 18:31 |
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| cp16net | it doesnt seem like it | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | amrith: It looks good at a quick glance, but I'd like to give folks a bit more time to look at it before making a final decision. | 18:33 |
| cp16net | sounds fine | 18:33 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, thanks | 18:33 |
| amrith | I thought we could have a list of templates | 18:33 |
| amrith | independent of flavors | 18:33 |
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| amrith | but I may be misunderstanding | 18:33 |
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| amrith | or the terminology may be tripping me up | 18:33 |
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| amrith | it looks like (from the example) that all the configuration is mysql specific | 18:34 |
| amrith | and I'm wondering whether we need a custom flavor for each datastore (other than MySQL) | 18:34 |
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| nehav3 | as an input you can pass a datastore and version id so you would get the params for other databases | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | amrith: if you look at the GET resource, it's /datastore/version/{dv_id}/configuration/{flavor_id} | 18:35 |
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| SlickNik | so it depends on datastore-version, and flavor. | 18:35 |
| nehav3 | slicknick exactly | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | the dependence on flavor is probably because your templates for your defaults could be written taking the flavor into account. | 18:36 |
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| nehav3 | yes for optimizing the templates for each flavor | 18:36 |
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| amrith | hmm.. I see trove/templates/<datastore>/config.template files in the source tree | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | if that's not the case, I would think the call would return the same defaults regardless of the flavor | 18:36 |
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| amcrn | nehav3 cp16net: generally looks good to me as well, but i'll take a stronger peek later today | 18:36 |
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| amrith | so I assume that this is the information that comes back | 18:37 |
| cp16net | amrith: flex those muscles | 18:37 |
| amrith | but that would mean that if I created a new template (non-default) where would it be visible (what's the URI) | 18:37 |
| amrith | yes, I have to exercise some more ... | 18:38 |
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| SlickNik | amrith / cp16net / nehav: Can I suggest taking clarifications regarding this to after the meeting, since there were a couple more open items to cover? | 18:38 |
| amrith | sure. | 18:39 |
| nehav3 | sure | 18:39 |
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| cp16net | +1 | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | Thanks — amrith, you had an item… go for it. | 18:39 |
| amrith | I just wanted to know what denis_makogon was asking re: google calendar and stuff. I don't use google calendar and I don't know what it has to do with hangouts. | 18:40 |
| amrith | so that can be after the meeting as well | 18:40 |
| kevinconway | amrith: #link http://learn.googleapps.com/training-videos/cal_overview_vid | 18:40 |
| amrith | kevinconway, may have valuable input though ;) | 18:40 |
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| amrith | there, he did! | 18:40 |
| denis_makogon | amrith, i get it =) | 18:40 |
| amrith | thanks, I'll watch the video | 18:40 |
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| SlickNik | okay, in that case. denis_makogon: you had an item for open discussion? | 18:41 |
| kevinconway | amrith: it doesn't really have anything to do with hangouts. denis_makogon may be talking about setting up some scheduled google hangouts for the midcycle | 18:41 |
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| denis_makogon | kevinconway, for sure ! | 18:41 |
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| amrith | ok denis_makogon what were you talking about? we're all trying to interpret your PM to me ... which I didn't understand, sorry | 18:42 |
| denis_makogon | amrith, nevermind | 18:42 |
| denis_makogon | there's another question, from me | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | go for it denis_makogon | 18:43 |
| denis_makogon | since replication v1 is almost finished | 18:43 |
| denis_makogon | we might to write down a wiki page that describes a list of datastores and version that were used for testing it | 18:43 |
| denis_makogon | some sort of "official datastores supported by Trove" | 18:44 |
| kevinconway | would that be the feature matrix we had? | 18:44 |
| dougshelley66 | denis_makogon, i'm not clear why that has anything to do with replication. Wouldn't we want that for every feature? | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: Didn't we already have a feature matrix? | 18:44 |
| cp16net | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/DatastoreCompatibilityMatrix | 18:44 |
| cp16net | ? | 18:44 |
| cp16net | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/DatastoreCompatibilityMatrix | 18:45 |
| cp16net | there its linked now | 18:45 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, yes we have, but there's no loud words like "official" etc. | 18:45 |
| iccha | i dont think we want to use words like official, because anything which becomes officially supported by openstack i think should go through TC and must have gated tests | 18:45 |
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| grapex_ | how about turnstile tests? | 18:46 |
| iccha | although i do like adding it to wiki to keep track and notes of what we have tested | 18:46 |
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| denis_makogon | iccha, yes, agreed, but we still need something that states that Trove was well tested with | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | iccha: +1 | 18:46 |
| kevinconway | grapex_: i like smoke tests | 18:47 |
| grapex_ | So... | 18:47 |
| grapex_ | I feel like this is a huge can of worms, so maybe we should just talk about talking about it at the summit | 18:47 |
| grapex_ | I just started looking through the cluster pull requests today | 18:47 |
| dougshelley66 | however, if the tests are automated and running regularly, it is unclear what value making any claims is | 18:47 |
| grapex_ | but it seems like its all just mongo, right? | 18:47 |
| grapex_ | so far anyway | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: So right now openstack gate tests exist only for mysql, and that's all the statements I think we can make. | 18:48 |
| grapex_ | but there are no mongo tests yet. | 18:48 |
| dougshelley66 | sorry, i mean aren't automated | 18:48 |
| grapex_ | dougshelley66: +1 | 18:48 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, if that's it, then ok | 18:48 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, +1 | 18:48 |
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| denis_makogon | but once we would have fine grained Tempest coverage, we would need to come back to this discussion | 18:49 |
| grapex_ | amcrn: Can the PRs as is be tested in fake mode? | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | Once we have tests for other datastores, we can come back and revise this to — we test mysql + other_datastore in the gate. | 18:50 |
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| amcrn | grapex_: PRs? | 18:50 |
| grapex_ | The four or five Clustering pull requests | 18:50 |
| grapex_ | sorry | 18:50 |
| cp16net | s/PRs/reviews/ | 18:50 |
| iccha | we should be adding other datastore tests a priorirty | 18:50 |
| amcrn | ah, sorry. | 18:50 |
| grapex_ | amcrn: that was totally HDURAG of me | 18:51 |
| amcrn | grapex_: i need to talk to you about that after this meeting :) | 18:51 |
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| amcrn | grapex_: in short, maybe? | 18:51 |
| denis_makogon | iccha, they are there, in trove-integration | 18:51 |
| denis_makogon | iccha, to have more tests for other datastores we need to implement all required features like backup/restore, at least for now | 18:52 |
| denis_makogon | i guess that it | 18:53 |
| denis_makogon | i've got answers to all my questions | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: That's not the same as being part of the gate. So I think the first step is to make them run as part of the gate tests. | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: even before implementing other features like backup / restore. | 18:53 |
| iccha | could we add tests for all datastores and add skis of datastores which do not support that feature? | 18:53 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, agreed | 18:53 |
| iccha | yes first getting it in gate like SlickNik is priorirty | 18:54 |
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| denis_makogon | iccha, fist we need to be able to run dsvm tests properly | 18:54 |
| grapex_ | So gate== Tempest? | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | grapex_: nope gate == tempest + trove-int-tests running on OpenStack CI | 18:55 |
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| SlickNik | I think it makes sense to not move _all_ our int tests to Tempest, so we'll still have those int-tests around. | 18:56 |
| iccha | good point denis_makogon | 18:56 |
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| grapex_ | SlickNik: Ok. I kind of wish instead of a design summit we could meet for a hackathon. :) | 18:56 |
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| grapex_ | I feel like there's some underlying problems that if the cores paired up on we could fix if given a few days | 18:56 |
| iccha | we could ditch the happy hpurs and baseball games and hack instead grapex_ :p | 18:56 |
| amrith | grapex_, we could consider re-purposing some of the time for that ... | 18:56 |
| grapex_ | iccha: Surely you jest! | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | grapex: maybe we can convert a couple of sessions to "work" hacking sessions. | 18:56 |
| grapex_ | amrith SlickNik: I'm down | 18:57 |
| amrith | iccha, ... ditch happy hour ;( | 18:57 |
| iccha | amrith: i was joking :) | 18:57 |
| cp16net | i'm still going to a baseball game | 18:57 |
| iccha | thats called team building | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | Okay, let's talk about that. | 18:57 |
| amrith | phew ... | 18:57 |
| peterstac | iccha: We'd have to call it unhappy hour then :( | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | Looks like that's all for today. | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 13 18:58:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | Thanks folks | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-08-13-18.00.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-08-13-18.00.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-08-13-18.00.log.html | 18:58 |
| cp16net | thx | 18:58 |
| amrith | SlickNik, let's quickly discuss that on #openstack-trove | 18:58 |
| iccha | thanks SlickNik | 18:58 |
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| grapex_ | Thanks SlickNik! | 18:58 |
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