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rvasiletsHi. I'd want to take  https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1221274. Can i fix it?11:51
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1221274 in glance "allow sorting with more than one field" [Undecided,Triaged]11:51
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dhellmann#startmeeting oslo15:00
dhellmannOur agenda:15:00
dhellmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo15:00
dhellmannwho's around for the oslo meeting?15:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Aug  8 15:00:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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dhellmannhmm, why did I think it was now instead of an hour from now?15:02
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dhellmannwell, hmm, calendar fail15:02
dhellmannwe have another hour before we're supposed to start, actually :-/15:02
rpodolyaka:)15:02
dhellmann#endmeeting15:03
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dhellmannI'll see you all back in an hour? :-)15:03
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dhellmann#startmeeting oslo16:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Aug  8 16:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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dhellmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo16:00
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dhellmannhi, everyone!16:00
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dhellmannbnemec, dims, markmc, flaper87, jd__ around?16:01
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dhellmann#topic Review action items from previous meeting16:02
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dhellmannbeekneemech: no worries, I tried to start the meeting an hour early16:02
dhellmann#info viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek to prepare report about db driver-specific exceptions caught in integrated and incubated projects and what changes will be needed to handle the new wrapped exceptions from oslo.db.16:02
dhellmannzzzeek created an etherpad with some details:16:02
dhellmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sqla_exceptions_caught16:02
rpodolyakawe are working on fixing items on that list16:03
dhellmannrpodolyaka, is there any news on that? I've been pretty distracted this week and haven't had a chance to review it yet?16:03
rpodolyakaa few patches on review left16:03
dhellmannok, great16:03
rpodolyakaI'm updating the doc16:03
rpodolyakawe'll need another week, I think16:03
bknudsonhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/108935/ is merged in keystone16:04
dhellmannrpodolyaka: ok, we'll make sure it's on the review priority list for this coming week16:04
dhellmannbknudson: excellent16:04
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dhellmann#action dhellmann approach the other integrated projects who have not started work on oslo.i18n16:04
dhellmanncarrying this one over16:04
dhellmann#info jd__ post about pylockfile adoption to the mailing list16:05
dhellmann#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038387.html16:05
dhellmannjd__ also created a spec that details the relationship between pylockfile and our lockutils module16:05
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102202/16:05
dhellmannand I think we have enough +2 votes there to accept, so I will do that today unless there are objections?16:05
dhellmannI'm glad we worked out how to move code into pylockfile to keep that project alive16:05
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zzzeekpresent...16:06
dhellmann#action dolphm start discussion on the mailing list to get feedback from the oslo team about taking over pycadf library (DONE)16:06
dhellmann#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/041269.html16:06
dhellmannhi, zzzeek16:06
dhellmannmoving the pycadf library over to the identity program is up for review by the TC16:06
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109664/16:06
dhellmannI don't expect any issues, although there was some discussion about the program scope change16:07
dhellmannI think that's it for actions from the last meeting16:07
dhellmann#topic Red flags for/from liaisons16:07
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dhellmannliaisons, how are things going?16:07
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bknudsonso I was working on oslo.utils in keystone, keystoneclient, keystonemiddleware...16:07
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bknudsonand ran into an odd problem...16:08
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bknudsontimeutils provides a utcnow - http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.utils/tree/oslo/utils/timeutils.py#n10616:08
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bknudsonwhich is overridden in lots of tests.16:08
bknudsonbut then some oslo-incubator parts still use utcnow in oslo-incubator16:09
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dhellmannhmm, yeah, lots of mocking16:09
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bknudsonso I think this was causing tests in keystoneclient to not work as expected.16:09
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dhellmannyeah, I can imagine16:09
bknudsonthere weren't any issues in keystone. It doesn't mock utcnow as much16:09
dhellmannfirst, we should add a fixture to oslo.utils to handle the mocking instead of having each test library do it16:10
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beekneemech+116:10
beekneemechI thought we were actually going to remove those.16:10
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dhellmannbknudson: which incubated modules use the utils? was it a lot?16:10
dhellmannbeekneemech: we did talk about that, yes16:10
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bknudsonkeystoneclient/openstack/common/memorycache.py16:11
bknudsonthis one's the problem because of course auth_token middleware uses it16:11
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dhellmannbeekneemech: the spec doesn't talk about timeutils https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98431/7/specs/juno/graduate-oslo-utils.rst16:12
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dhellmannI think we decided we had too many users, so even though we don't like the API we need to keep it for now16:12
beekneemechdhellmann: Yeah, I think the discussion actually predated the graduation.16:12
beekneemechYeah.16:13
beekneemechMight be a good time to start migrating off it though.16:13
dhellmannbknudson: ok, would you file a bug so we can track work on this? we'll have to spend a little time figuring out the best approach.16:14
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dhellmannbeekneemech: yeah16:14
bknudsondhellmann: ok16:14
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dhellmann#action bknudson file a bug about timeutils mocking issue16:14
dhellmannbknudson: thanks16:14
dhellmanndoes anyone else have any issues to bring up?16:15
bknudsonthere was another issue with the keystoneclient change16:15
dhellmannk16:15
bknudsonthe tests failed when I added oslo.utils to keystoneclient.16:15
zzzeekdhellmann: also i guess what are we deciding about exception catching...16:15
bknudsonhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/112337/16:15
bknudsonso I backported the requirement to stable/icehouse16:15
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dhellmannbknudson: yes, I think that's the right fix there16:16
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dhellmannbknudson: +2a on that change16:16
bknudsonok, that was it16:16
dhellmannzzzeek: ?16:16
zzzeekdhellmann: was referring to the list i compiled at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sqla_exceptions_caught16:17
zzzeeke.g. if this is still a blocker for us16:17
dhellmannzzzeek: I haven't had a chance to review that (this week was more distracting that expected). It's on my priority list for monday16:17
zzzeekseems like not every error i listed has a comment about it…so…no movement was made all last week on this ?16:17
dhellmannzzzeek: rpodolyaka did have some updates16:18
zzzeekdhellmann: ok16:18
rpodolyakazzzeek: I believe we have patches on review for all integrated projects16:18
zzzeekrpodolyaka: OK great16:18
rpodolyakazzzeek: and I ran tests with oslo.db from master for all of them16:18
zzzeekrpodolyaka: wow cool16:18
rpodolyakazzzeek: they actually passed16:18
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rpodolyakacinder was actually broken due to a skipped tests16:19
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dhellmanngo team!16:19
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dhellmannok, any other issues from liaisons?16:20
dhellmannI'll take that as a "no" -- open bugs or stop by #openstack-oslo if you do encounter any16:20
dhellmann#topic Adoption status16:21
dhellmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-adoption-status16:21
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dhellmannlooks like we made some good progress with i18n16:22
dhellmannthanks for adding those keystone links, bknudson16:23
dhellmannI think some work started in cinder on oslo.utils, too, but I don't know if that's up for review yet16:23
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dhellmannoh, nice, nova is using oslo.i18n, too16:24
dhellmannI should go on vacation more often :-)16:24
bknudsonit was a pretty easy change for oslo.utils16:24
dhellmanneasy is the goal16:24
dhellmannI suspect we need to do some work on the documentation for oslo.utils16:25
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bknudsonI didn't look at the docs16:25
dhellmannbknudson, you know, a partial change might be the simplest approach to that timeutils issue16:25
bknudsony, there's no reason the change couldn't be split up16:25
dhellmannbut at the same time, I'd hate to have to go back through and update all of the projects when we remove that module from the incubator16:25
dhellmannseems like something that'd be easy to forget :-/16:26
dhellmannok, let's keep going16:26
dhellmann#topic Spec status16:26
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dhellmann#info jd__’s pylockfile spec will be approved, as we just discussed.16:26
dhellmann#info boris-42’s osprofiler spec approval will depend on the outcome of the QA/Rally team discussion about where the profiling code should live.16:26
YorikSarI'd like to reiterate on pylockfile adoption...16:26
boris-42dhellmann +116:26
dhellmanndoes anyone have anything to add to that discussion?16:27
boris-42dhellmann nova teem can wait forever=)16:27
dhellmannhi, boris-4216:27
boris-42dhellmann hi16:27
boris-42team*16:27
YorikSarI've missed that discussion, and now I see that pylockfile is not actually used by oslo.db, only by incubator code.16:27
i159I made a new spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112842/16:27
boris-42dhellmann could we bump osprofiler in global requirements?16:27
boris-42dhellmann glance team is facing issues ...16:28
boris-42dhellmann somewhere somebody found osprofiler version 0.1.016:28
i159this is my first spec, so I need attentive review16:28
YorikSarSo I'd suggest us to just remove file locking behavior from oslo.concurrency instead.16:28
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dhellmannboris-42: yes, it seems like we need to update the minimum requirements16:28
boris-42#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104691/16:28
boris-42dhellmann and nobody except glance is using it16:28
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beekneemechYorikSar: pylockfile is used in incubator?16:29
boris-42dhellmann thnaksd16:29
dhellmanni159: ok, it may be a little while before that gets much attention, since we have a lot of work in process now16:29
YorikSarbeekneemech: Only by openstack.common.db16:29
beekneemechYorikSar: Oh, yeah.  That's going away soon, so not a concern.16:29
YorikSarAnd if oslo.db ever needs locks again it can use lockutils.16:29
dhellmannYorikSar: nova uses the file locking stuff in the incubator, which we want to put into pylockfile16:29
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YorikSardhellmann: Won't current file locking from lockutils suffice for it?16:30
i159dhellmann: no problems, anyway I'm in vacation next two weeks =)16:30
YorikSarOr they even might consider switching to semaphores, I guess...16:31
beekneemechYorikSar: We're going to move the file locking to pylockfile and make lockutils a wrapper around it.16:31
dhellmannYorikSar: yeah, read through the spec, I think it covers this. The lockutils module in the incubator will need to graduate, and so we were going to move the class into pylockfile and have an oslo lib that sets up the configuration options and then controls pylockfile16:31
beekneemechYorikSar: We definitely can't replace lock files with semaphores.16:31
beekneemechWe tried that once.16:31
dhellmannyeah16:32
beekneemechIt ended with reimplementing file locking. :-)16:32
YorikSarbeekneemech: Oh... I wonder how did that happen...16:32
beekneemechYorikSar: There are places that lockutils was used that rely on file locking behavior.16:32
dhellmannthe lockutils stuff is used by code in the applications that has nothing to do with the database16:32
beekneemechThis is why I'm concerned about making even seemingly innocuous changes to how lockutils works.16:32
dhellmannright, no changes, just move the class into pylockfile and make a new release16:33
YorikSarI think it worth skimming through them once again to verify if that's still the case (or is it gone as with oslo.db).16:33
dhellmannYorikSar: it had to do with the compute agent downloading things from glance, irrc16:34
beekneemechdhellmann: Yeah, I was referring to the sysv_ipc change YorikSar has under review.16:34
beekneemechYorikSar: It's definitely still the case.  This didn't happen that long ago. :-)16:34
dhellmannbut we need to stop assuming that just because we can't find something using a library that we can delete it -- that has bitten us too many times this cycle16:34
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dhellmannbeekneemech; ah, yeah16:34
YorikSarOk, I'll back up then.16:35
dhellmannok, let's keep moving16:35
dhellmann#info gordc's oslo.middleware spec is related to a repo that was already imported16:35
dhellmannLet’s prioritize reviewing it to make sure we didn’t miss anything important in the import.16:35
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110353/3/specs/juno/graduate-oslo-middleware.rst16:35
dhellmann#link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.middleware16:35
dhellmannI'm not quite sure how we got that import done without the spec, but let's sync up so we don't go too far to a release without ensuring the API has been reviewed16:36
bknudsonI think keystone could use oslo.middleware16:36
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dhellmannbknudson: yep, but I want to make sure the version we release is going to have a nice stable api16:36
dhellmannthere are still several specs up for review, but we have enough other work going on at this point that I think we should focus on reviews for those projects, rather than approving more specs. Thoughts?16:37
bknudsonthis one isn't really an api.16:37
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dhellmannbknudson: well, each class has an API and will be imported in a particular way, etc. so we want to make sure we set that up right for future additions16:38
bknudsonis i18n usually called _i18n?16:38
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bknudsonsince it's not public16:39
dhellmannbeekneemech, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, dims: any thoughts on a temporary "specs freeze"?16:39
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dhellmannbknudson: yeah, that's what we want to do with the library versions16:39
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zzzeekdhellmann: im fine with it16:39
rpodolyakadhellmann: makes sense16:39
beekneemechdhellmann: Most of the other projects are in specs freeze, so that works for me.16:39
bknudsonlooks like it's using config fixture from oslo-incubator when it could be using oslo.config16:40
dhellmannok, I don't think we need to have a hard freeze and say no more for juno, but a temporary freeze will let us concentrate on the reviews we have in play right now16:40
dhellmannbknudson: yeah, there is a series of changes needed before we can release that as a library16:40
dhellmann#agreed we will have a temporary freeze on approving new specs to concentrate on the graduation work and reviews already in process16:41
dhellmannspeaking of which...16:41
dhellmann#topic Graduation status16:41
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dhellmannYorikSar has made good progress on oslo.concurrency and has a repo ready for review16:41
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112666/16:41
dhellmann#action everyone review the repo being imported as oslo.concurrency16:41
dhellmannnice work, YorikSar!16:41
dhellmannYorikSar, was that repo created with your new version of graduate.sh?16:42
YorikSardhellmann: Yes16:42
dhellmannok, so it needs some careful review16:42
YorikSarAnd I'd really like to get that version merged - jumping between branches has already bitten me...16:42
dhellmannYorikSar: ok, I'll look over the script this afternoon16:43
YorikSarNot that I'll be using it any time soon though :)16:43
dhellmannhaha16:43
dhellmannI have oslo.log work planned soon, so I may be the next user16:43
dhellmann#info oslo.serialization has been imported16:43
dhellmann#link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.serialization16:43
dhellmanndims, are there changes we need to make before cutting a release?16:43
dhellmannoh, dims isn't here today, is he?16:44
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beekneemechI think he was out yesterday too.16:44
beekneemechVacation season :-)16:44
dhellmannyeah16:44
dhellmannok, we'll hold that question over for next week16:44
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dhellmann#info oslo.utils 0.1.1 was released since the last meeting16:45
dhellmanngood work on that, everyone, and thanks to dims for taking charge of pushing it through16:45
beekneemechdhellmann: I can take a look at serialization too.16:45
beekneemech\o/16:45
dhellmannbeekneemech: great, thanks16:45
dhellmann#topic oslo.db16:46
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dhellmannrpodolyaka, can you give a brief update about where things stand?16:46
dhellmannwe talked about the exception issue already, is there anything else big we should know about?16:46
rpodolyakadhellmann: a few big changes coming, but those will be internal refactoring16:46
dhellmannok16:47
rpodolyakaand I'll need your help with reviews, guys, as victors is on PTO :)16:47
dhellmannok, sure thing16:47
rpodolyakaonce we fix the problem with exception we can cut a release16:47
dhellmanngood, that's what I wanted to make sure of16:48
rpodolyakathat's probably all I have for now16:48
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dhellmannok, we have a couple of topics related to future process changes that I want people to start thinking about16:48
dhellmann#topic Adding functional tests for Oslo libs16:49
dhellmannThere have been some discussions on the -dev mailing list about adding functional tests for projects outside of tempest.16:49
dhellmann#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/thread.html#3138716:49
dhellmann#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/thread.html#4105716:49
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dhellmannI would like us to think about what that means for the oslo libraries, especially oslo.db and oslo.messaging.16:49
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dhellmannI don’t expect anything to be done this cycle, but we will talk about it at the summit and I want to be prepared to add tests when the tools are available.16:49
YorikSardhellmann: I've already added one to oslo.rootwrap :)16:49
dhellmannalso, pay attention to any discussions on the dev list about test job requirements, test node setup, etc.16:49
dhellmannYorikSar: that's another good example of where we could use functional tests16:50
YorikSarAlthough it runs alonng with unit tests.16:50
dhellmannYorikSar:  is there a test job running it?16:50
dhellmannah, ok, that's good and it may be all we really need for that app16:50
dhellmannthere aren't a lot of dependencies to set up, like with the db or messaging libraries16:50
YorikSardhellmann: Although eventlet becomes an issue there.16:51
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dhellmannyes, we will absolutely need to test under eventlet16:51
YorikSar(but that's more about my rootwrap daemon work)16:51
dhellmannuntil the apps aren't using it, we need to test with it16:51
YorikSarYeah. And we'll have to test separately with and without it.16:52
dhellmannYorikSar: it's ok to add eventlet to the test requirements for rootwrap, even if it's not in the runtime requirements (that's why we have separate lists)16:52
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dhellmannYorikSar: good point16:52
dhellmannok, one other thing to think about:16:52
dhellmann#topic future spec process changes16:52
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dhellmannThere’s a thread on -dev about “The future of the integrated release” that talks about some proposed changes to the spec management process that I want everyone to follow and think about.16:52
dhellmannWe will talk about the ideas between now and the summit, and probably in a summit session as well.16:52
dhellmann#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042157.html16:52
YorikSardhellmann: I even import eventlet from rootwrap code to detect if world is monkey-patched, but it's not a requirement.16:53
dhellmannwe've been doing a fairly good job of keeping up with specs, but I like the idea of setting a realistic limit to the number of things we will try to do at one time16:53
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dhellmannYorikSar: interesting, I'll have to look at that patch :-)16:53
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* dhellmann isn't sensing much resistance to the idea of limiting the number of specs in progress at any one time16:54
dhellmannI think that's it for the main agenda this week16:55
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dhellmann#topic review priorities for this week16:55
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dhellmannwe have the new oslo.concurrency, oslo.serialization, and oslo.middleware repositories16:55
dhellmannand the oslo.db exception changes from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sqla_exceptions_caught16:55
dhellmannlifeless also asked for some help with pbr reviews16:55
dhellmannis there anything else we need to make a high priority?16:55
dhellmannthat's already a long list...16:56
beekneemechoslo.serialization is already imported, right?16:56
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beekneemechSo no immediate review needed there.16:56
dhellmannbeekneemech: yes http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.serialization16:56
dhellmannbeekneemech: ah, good point, I was thinking of reviewing it for whatever changes we need to make, rather than code reviews per se16:57
beekneemechAlthough I see there is a task to convert it to oslo.i18n, but I don't know that that's a priority.16:57
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bknudsonkeystone should be able to use oslo.serialization when it's ready16:57
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dhellmannbknudson: that might be a k-1 change, at this point in the schedule, but we'll see how things pan out16:58
dhellmannok, just a couple of minutes left16:58
dhellmann#topic open discussion16:58
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dhellmannI guess that means we've covered everything. :-)17:00
dhellmannthanks, everyone!17:00
dhellmann#endmeeting17:00
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rpodolyakathanks, everyone! have a good week end!17:00
pblahobye o/17:00
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