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| markwash | o/ | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 31 14:00:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:00 |
| arnaud__ | o/ | 14:00 |
| * flaper87 asks permission to request something | 14:00 | |
| TravT | o/ | 14:01 |
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| rosmaita | the chair recognizes flaper87 | 14:01 |
| hemanth_ | 0/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | wow | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | just kidding, markwash is chair | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | so, AFAIK, glance.store is in the agenda. I wanted to ask if we could do it before everything else :P | 14:01 |
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| markwash | flaper87: its first | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | it's the first item on the agenda | 14:01 |
| arnaud__ | it is the first item in the agenda | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 14:01 |
| markwash | bam | 14:01 |
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| flaper87 | :P | 14:02 |
| markwash | okay | 14:02 |
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| markwash | so what we felt like was a reminder / reweighing of the benefits and costs of the glance.store separation | 14:02 |
| markwash | at the mini summit | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | I've written down this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-store | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | To help brainstorming | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | I've also talked to zhiyan and he has added some notes there | 14:03 |
| markwash | flaper87: thanks, that's a good read | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | I'm planning to move that to a wiki page | 14:03 |
| nikhil___ | o/ | 14:04 |
| markwash | so I think it would probably first make sense if folks have want to add other costs or benefits to the list | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | yes, please | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | I didn't put just 1 because I was trying to hide the rest :P | 14:04 |
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| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | I really couldn't think of other cons | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | so, please, add | 14:04 |
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| markwash | okay | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | (please, put names to the etherpad lables) | 14:06 |
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| markwash | so I think the one extra con that has been brought up sheds a lot of light on the problem we saw with a lot of the benefits | 14:07 |
| markwash | basically, I can't really see how using glance.store for client direct access is really going to work out in the end | 14:07 |
| markwash | I wonder if we can talk a bit about that | 14:08 |
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| flaper87 | markwash: sure | 14:09 |
| markwash | so let's just try to list items in the etherpad I guess for now | 14:09 |
| markwash | we can respond inline in the meeting | 14:09 |
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| markwash | so. . let's drift back folks | 14:12 |
| markwash | :-) | 14:12 |
| markwash | I accidentally dispersed us | 14:12 |
| nikhil___ | :) | 14:12 |
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| nikhil___ | seems like a debate round of interview a for Management position | 14:13 |
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| markwash | flaper87: so the advantages I see that are relatively unassailable: it would allow other projects to reuse our generic blob store code, though not in a way that would necessarily share the data with a glance backend | 14:14 |
| markwash | flaper87: and it promotes a better separation of concerns by making it harder to make calls to the db in the middle of store code | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | markwash: also, the zero-copy point is important. There's some code that has yet to be written for this that would make sense to have in glance.store | 14:15 |
| markwash | flaper87: and it makes it feel socially safer to work with stores as plugins | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 14:15 |
| markwash | since the main stores would effectively be plugins | 14:15 |
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| flaper87 | also, the code in glance/store is re-usable, it's a shame that we have it there, locked down. | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | :) | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | but this is less of a pro | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | it's more like a social, moral duty | 14:15 |
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| markwash | flaper87: can you explain how it helps with zero-copy? I kind of am confused on that point | 14:16 |
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| markwash | it seems like the same thing as client direct access | 14:16 |
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| markwash | which I'm not very optimistic about | 14:16 |
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| arnaud__ | flaper87, I have a few questions | 14:17 |
| arnaud__ | about the location | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | markwash: FWIW, I'm not really optimistic about the client, it's just one more thing that it would allow us to do but it does not need to be done | 14:17 |
| arnaud__ | because one of the main + is to say we can do the zero copy logic in glance.store | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | same here ... I'd also like to get bit of a light to the statement in the etherpad regarding glance not oning image data | 14:17 |
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| arnaud__ | but the location is/will be still stored in the glance database and "owned" by glance | 14:17 |
| arnaud__ | am I missing something? | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: glance has never owned the data. THe fact that glance knows where to put/get it doesn't mean it owns it. A clear example is the fact that glance is capable oof working with images that are in a remote location | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | arnaud__: reading | 14:18 |
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| markwash | so I think we need to clean up the cases where glance doesn't clearly own the data | 14:18 |
| markwash | rather than further entrenching the idea that it doesn't own it | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | +1 | 14:18 |
| markwash | I don't really think glance has much value if it doesn't own the data | 14:19 |
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| nikhil___ | markwash: +1 | 14:19 |
| mclaren | I may be missing some context, but you can deploy glance so that the database and the data are guaranteed to be in sync | 14:19 |
| markwash | since inconsistent data == net loss of value | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | As if glance does not on the images, why we are even trying to do any level of access control in glance | 14:19 |
| nikhil___ | markwash: think that we need to state it explicitly what "ownership" means for image data! | 14:19 |
| arnaud__ | markwash, would you mind clarify what you mean by "own"? | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | arnaud__: you're not missing anything. The location will still be in glance, the logic needed in glance.sotre is related to the store itself and the things that can be done in it | 14:19 |
| nikhil___ | may be checksum, size, vsize, etc. | 14:19 |
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| zhiyan | actually, i think glance.store gives us a chance to add more apis easily to help implementation zero-copy in nova/cinder, at least. | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | arnaud__: +1, I think there are different interpretations of owning | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | Also I think if Glance does not own the images, e need to remove the statement that they are immutable | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: +1 | 14:20 |
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| jokke_ | we | 14:20 |
| nikhil___ | flaper87: +1M about the role of glance.store | 14:21 |
| markwash | when I say "glance owns the data" I mean it can completely prevent users and other services from making that data inconsistent with the glance db | 14:21 |
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| rosmaita | markwash: +1 | 14:21 |
| nikhil___ | yeah, +1 | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 14:21 |
| zhiyan | markwash: i think when we allow glance expose direct-location to client, we have already broken this rule. | 14:22 |
| markwash | zhiyan: so let's deprecate that | 14:22 |
| markwash | I'm serious | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | Why? | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | that's an important feature | 14:22 |
| zhiyan | ? | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | markwash: +1 | 14:22 |
| markwash | because inconsistent data -> net loss of value | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | if we deprecate that you're basically forcing people to go through glance which is slow in some cases | 14:22 |
| mclaren | rather than deprecate make it admin policy by default? | 14:22 |
| zhiyan | markwash: we can do the necessary check on glance.store api level | 14:22 |
| arnaud__ | +1 zhiyan, as sson as you expose the location, the client can do whatever he wants with the file | 14:22 |
| markwash | mclaren: its already only by config, so I think we're actually safe on that front | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | direct access *needs* to be enabled in the configs | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | it's not the default | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | we can put some policies on it | 14:23 |
| zhiyan | +1 flaper87 | 14:23 |
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| markwash | so at the summit we had some counter evidence offered to the "glance is the bottleneck" side of things, and felt like we at least need more clarity about the deployment scenarios that we want to optimize glance transfers for | 14:24 |
| mclaren | in policy.json I see '"set_image_location": ""' | 14:24 |
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| arnaud__ | agreed flaper87, without the location there is no way at the point to remove glance from the datapath | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: can you provide actual data glance making things slow? as so far there has been claims for such, but no actual data to back those claims up | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: seriously? | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: yes | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | seriously | 14:25 |
| zhiyan | imho, as i mentioned in etherpad, glance would focus on resource repo, and store focus on content access | 14:25 |
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| flaper87 | I don't have data but there's no need to provide it. If you put glance in the middle it'll add another step in the data path | 14:25 |
| zhiyan | and we can implement transferring on glance.store as well | 14:25 |
| mclaren | flaper87: we've looked at production data, and for us glance improves performance | 14:25 |
| nikhil___ | zhiyan: +1 :D | 14:25 |
| nikhil___ | exactly what was said in the mini-summit | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | if the image is big and it has to go from the store to glance-api and then nova or whatever | 14:25 |
| zhiyan | nikhil___: yes, at least, that's a easier way we can go/do | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: as in, direct access improves ? | 14:25 |
| mclaren | another step in the datapath doesn't have to slow you down if it's not the slowest leg | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: got lost, sorry | 14:26 |
| jcook | glance can not own the metadata and still be consistent if it would consume notifications from the store when it changes | 14:26 |
| jcook | s/metadata/data/ | 14:26 |
| nikhil___ | for us glance is big bottleneck | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: agreed but it's still another step | 14:26 |
| zhiyan | use glance.store, we can implement zero-copy, smarter full-copy | 14:26 |
| mclaren | flaper87: for example with stunnel/stud folks are actively putting more things in the datapath to improve performance | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: for example getting image from glnce cache seems to be faster than pulling it from swift | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | right but lets not hide that there are things that can be improved in glance's performance, datapath and the way we treat data | 14:27 |
| mclaren | nikhil___: is the glance code a bottleneck or is your glance deployment a bottleneck? | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: the cache code hasn't been touched in years, AFAICT. I don't even think it supports v2 | 14:27 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: no one seems to be saying *how* we will do zero copy, and until I hear that zero copy doesn't use client direct access, we're blocked before we can even consider zero copy | 14:27 |
| mclaren | I would like someone to produce a well defined case and supporting data for doing this | 14:27 |
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| jokke_ | +1 | 14:27 |
| zhiyan | mclaren: it is , in our deployment. (i know it's smaller then rax) | 14:27 |
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| mclaren | zhiyan: what is, sorry? | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | it's not about the "data" of how good accessing images directly is. The use-cases of glance.store go beyond that | 14:28 |
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| jcook | glance seems to act like a proxy for the object store which is inefficient. Shouldn't it instead just worry about the metadata and consume notifications | 14:28 |
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| arnaud__ | I have been using the location in the nova vmware driver, and tbh, that improves a LOT the time to boot and snapshot a vm... | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | it's about re-using code, improving the way we access data, providing a better support for the on-going work on zero copy | 14:28 |
| markwash | flaper87: but in terms of curating the list of pros vs cons we need to know if direct access and its kind are actually on the list | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | cleaning up the glance code | 14:28 |
| mclaren | jcook: again, that is proof by assertion ... | 14:28 |
| zhiyan | markwash: imo, when we implement zero-copy, we need some store driver's capability, and i think this stuff can be done in store i mean. | 14:29 |
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| jcook | mclaren: maybe I missed the contradiction | 14:29 |
| zhiyan | and folks, don't forget 3rd ci/cd stuff pls | 14:30 |
| markwash | jcook: I don't think there is any service which can send us those notifications | 14:30 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: agreed | 14:30 |
| markwash | and really, the data is supposed to be immutable | 14:30 |
| nikhil___ | mclaren: hard to describe if glance is exactly the bottleneck or the deployment of it is (without any real data -> that may mean nikhil get to work on that) However, one thing is evident that when glance is not used it's much faster, lesser bugs etc. | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | it'd also help ppl to implement their own stores outside glance and the library (yes, if we refactor the code *in* glance, it can still be done) | 14:30 |
| markwash | so we don't really need notifications, we just need it to never be accessed | 14:30 |
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| jokke_ | markwash: that's the biggest concern for me we are giving out by this change | 14:31 |
| mclaren | jcook: when you say inefficient, in what sense do you mean? For example swift have proxy nodes, would it be more efficient if swift removed them and swift API calls went straight to the object stores? | 14:31 |
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| markwash | okay so I need to call time on this discussion and see if we can reframe our effort | 14:31 |
| jcook | markwash: the proxy pattern exists for a reason, but why is glance a proxy for object storage. What's the true value? | 14:31 |
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| markwash | jcook: consistency | 14:31 |
| markwash | the only value add glance has at this point is "people can't shoot themselves in the foot with it as easily as without it" | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | we're talking about openstack services here not random folks | 14:32 |
| markwash | glance lite == /dev/null | 14:32 |
| markwash | okay, back to refocusing | 14:33 |
| mclaren | jcook: also caching which swift doesn't have, and the potential to protect overloading swift object nodes (an image will be stored on at most 3 machines -- which can all get hit simultaneously) | 14:33 |
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| nikhil___ | markwash: true that, however it would be even better for someone to deploy glance without needing that extra checks | 14:33 |
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| nikhil___ | sometimes we do visit websites which do not have valid certs!! | 14:33 |
| markwash | to me, the way to proceed here | 14:33 |
| markwash | is to basically look at the pros / cons without any of the client-direct-access pros | 14:34 |
| markwash | I still feel like there is value in having regular stores live as external plugins | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | I don't think inconsistency should be used as a con for glance.store, if anything it should be used against direct-access. If we'll keep direct-access then glance.store still makes sense as per the pros mentioned in the etherpad | 14:34 |
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| flaper87 | markwash: +1 | 14:34 |
| markwash | it makes integration harder, but it makes us do a better job of integrating with completely out-of-tree plugins | 14:34 |
| markwash | which allows us to say "please don't merge your random store to our code" | 14:35 |
| jcook | mclaren: Is glance acting like a cache a bandaid for inefficient caching on the hypervisor? | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | markwash: +1 | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | I don't want to rush the discussion but: Can we vote or make a final decision? | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | We need to figure this out now, the feature freeze is around the corner | 14:35 |
| zhiyan | jcook: i think it should be a function for another service ,like transferring stuff | 14:35 |
| arnaud__ | flaper87, | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | markwash: on the other side how long it takes us to loose the focus to maintain them "It's just a store plugin, it really does not belong into glance so why should we spend cycles to maintain it"? | 14:36 |
| arnaud__ | a few more questions | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | some folks are going in vacation and if we're going to go down this road we need to do it asap | 14:36 |
| arnaud__ | could you share you plan to integrate glance with glance.store | 14:36 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100636/ | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | arnaud__: ^ | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | The work is done, it passes locally. I need to release the first alpha today/tomorrow | 14:37 |
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| flaper87 | so we can consume the library in the gate | 14:37 |
| markwash | zhiyan: I can't think of a way to make the transfer service make sense wrt security / access-control | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | (once it's added to the global/requirements) | 14:37 |
| mclaren | jcook: the glance cache just stores the images on the glance node's filesystem, making the image a little 'hotter' for nova nodes. | 14:37 |
| arnaud__ | ok thanks flaper87 | 14:37 |
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| flaper87 | np :) | 14:38 |
| mclaren | fwiw flaper87's patch for random access of image data opens the door for parallel downloads I think | 14:38 |
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| flaper87 | mclaren: +1 | 14:38 |
| nikhil___ | yes! mclaren | 14:39 |
| markwash | yes, random access is fantastic | 14:39 |
| nikhil___ | there is some authN issue with SingleTenant swift store too | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: what's the consistency between glance.store and current store code? I was looking the logging during the flight and it did not look to be quite up to date last week | 14:39 |
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| nikhil___ | and this code would enble implementing tasks for different stores easily | 14:39 |
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| jcook | mclaren: If nova is efficient at caching, what value does glance provide for caching it for nova? | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: pls, if there's something missing in glance.store send it my way, I'll update glance.store | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | it should be pretty much up to date | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | the swift port landed today | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | actually, it hasn't landed, I think it's still in the gate | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: thnx, I'll look gin | 14:40 |
| nikhil___ | jcook: we may or may not able to cache any size images on nova however, glance is bit more configurable | 14:40 |
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| jokke_ | again ... sorry keyboard acting a bit | 14:41 |
| nikhil___ | imho, caching == L1 + L2 + L3 cache | 14:41 |
| nikhil___ | not just L1 | 14:41 |
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| flaper87 | ok, can we go back to the original discussion? | 14:41 |
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| flaper87 | Are we going to do this or not? | 14:41 |
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| flaper87 | Should we vote? (based on the current pros/cons and discussion) | 14:42 |
| jcook | nikhil___: but is retrieval from glance really faster? it's still limited by network throughput | 14:42 |
| zhiyan | the cache of glance is a front catch for backand storage, which saved in glance-api node but nova-cpu node | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | My rush is that there's still some work left, there's no much time to do it | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | and I do think we need to do this asap if we want to do it | 14:42 |
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| markwash | I would be curious to see where folks stand on this after this discussion | 14:42 |
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| flaper87 | markwash: me too, I guess voting will solve it | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | and I hope I won't regret saying that :P | 14:43 |
| arnaud__ | lol | 14:43 |
| nikhil___ | markwash: flaper87 : added another pro point in the etherpad (line 28) | 14:43 |
| markwash | let's get a quick +1 or -1 from folks on the following proposition at the moment: we should adopt glance.store | 14:44 |
| zhiyan | frankly, i think we need think about how we can use it, with a clear useful use case | 14:44 |
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| mclaren | fwiw cinder don't have a separate repo for their backends, and have explicitly avoided it | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | nikhil___: thanks | 14:44 |
| markwash | "we should adopt glance.store as an external library" | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | markwash: they have bricks and I wouldn't be surprised they will in the future | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | -1 as the arguments stands now | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: ^ | 14:44 |
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| arnaud__ | mclaren, yeah, that's what I mentioned in the ether pad | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: also, their code doesn't need to be reused throughout openstack, AFAICT | 14:45 |
| markwash | so far only jokke_ has voted | 14:45 |
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| flaper87 | +1 | 14:45 |
| hemanth_ | +1 | 14:45 |
| nikhil___ | +1 | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 14:45 |
| zhiyan | +1 | 14:46 |
| nikhil___ | markwash: do we do # startvote ? | 14:46 |
| markwash | no | 14:46 |
| markwash | this is just a show of hands | 14:46 |
| nikhil___ | ok, sorry.. | 14:46 |
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| arnaud__ | flaper87, is happy so far :) | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | arnaud__: fuck yeah | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:46 |
| mclaren | -1 on balance right now | 14:46 |
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| markwash | -1 (we must strip out the direct-access use case) | 14:46 |
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| markwash | I have to turn it over to arnaud | 14:47 |
| arnaud__ | :) | 14:47 |
| markwash | since if I don't leave right now my wife will divorce me | 14:47 |
| markwash | (because I won't get my visa to go visit her) | 14:47 |
| arnaud__ | my -1 won't change the result apparently | 14:47 |
| arnaud__ | :) | 14:47 |
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| nikhil___ | markwash: :D .. should not be that difficult | 14:48 |
| markwash | okay, so for now it seems like we're leaning towards adoption, but there are still some questions about how it is going to be used | 14:48 |
| markwash | *should* is operative | 14:48 |
| markwash | bye! | 14:48 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: but i'm interested in why -1 :) | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | (fwiw, even if we remove direct access, I think this library is a great contribution to the community in general) | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | the plan is to use it *just* in glance for now | 14:48 |
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| flaper87 | until J is released | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | and we have a better plan/API for it | 14:49 |
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| flaper87 | ok, I'll get that as a: "dedicating time to this is still safe and we won't tell you it won't be merged in 2 weeks :P" | 14:49 |
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| flaper87 | arnaud__: I'm curious about your -1 | 14:50 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan, 1. I think we have many challenges that are much more important for this release J. 2. I think Nova is far to be ready to use this code. 3. I see the Glance stores as drivers (like the cinder/nova ones) where them are kept in the tree. 4. I think we can enrich the API of the stores even without glance.stores | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | oh thanks :P | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | arnaud__: but 1 and 2 are not really against the library but the timing | 14:51 |
| arnaud__ | yes flaper87 | 14:51 |
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| flaper87 | arnaud__: re 3. the difference I see is that cinder/nova drivers don't need to be used elsewhere, whereas glance's do | 14:52 |
| zhiyan | 1. ok. 2. this is a worth point, but i think it's a point what we need to pay more efforts, like v2 api. | 14:52 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: ^ | 14:52 |
| arnaud__ | :) | 14:52 |
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| zhiyan | arnaud__: 3, cinder has brick lib (even it on the way out still) 4. yes, but it's hard for other drivers from 3rd, which will not in tree. | 14:53 |
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| arnaud__ | but I also see all the advantages that flaper87 mentions | 14:54 |
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| arnaud__ | anyway! I think you can still be happy flaper87 :) | 14:55 |
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| zhiyan | flaper87: arnaud__ do you think 3rd ci/cd is a point for glance.store? imho, it's easier for other storage vendor test it, when more projects use it to access image/artfact content, and it's api can be turned to complicated in future. | 14:56 |
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| jokke_ | zhiyan: what makes it easier depending if it's under project a or b? | 14:57 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan, I like to see the +1 of Minesweeper (for example), in the glance reviews which make me confident I do not break glance, rather than I do not break glance.store | 14:57 |
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| zhiyan | arnaud__: but currently most store test cases are disabled in gate :( | 14:58 |
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| arnaud__ | they won't be enabled in glance.store afaik | 14:59 |
| jcook | I think you could maintain consistency and still have direct access if you were given a unique "location" from glance to pickup your object (say in the form of a direct download URL, token, or w/e). Just like when you order a burger from Five Guys. Glance is the menu / register. Glance issues you a ticket. You pickup your order at the counter with your ticket. | 14:59 |
| zhiyan | i'm not sure how minesweeper configured, even. | 14:59 |
| jcook | just sayin | 14:59 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: so, i think we can cover them in 3rd testing | 14:59 |
| arnaud__ | it runs glance tests with vmware store configured (so it runs functional tests of vmware store) | 14:59 |
| zhiyan | yes | 14:59 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan, which we can do today no? | 14:59 |
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| mclaren | jcook: yes, that's something that's been considered. A Swift tempurl or somesuch | 15:00 |
| zhiyan | let's move to glance room to talk a little on it. | 15:00 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: ^ | 15:00 |
| arnaud__ | :) | 15:00 |
| arnaud__ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | yeah we're on time | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 31 15:00:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-07-31-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-07-31-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-07-31-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 31 15:01:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
| tbarron1 | hi | 15:01 |
| nileshb | Hi | 15:01 |
| deepakcs | hi | 15:01 |
| rushil1 | Hi | 15:01 |
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| scottda | hi | 15:01 |
| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | so I see some agenda items with no names | 15:01 |
| bswartz | who added these? | 15:01 |
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| dustins | bswartz: Just finishing up over here :D | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | okay no worries | 15:03 |
| ameade | here | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I'll start with the incubation stuff | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic incubation | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | so those of you that read the ML should have seen the incubation thread | 15:04 |
| bswartz | I'm going to forward it to the TC this afternoon | 15:04 |
| bswartz | there hasn't been any discussion really, which is unsurprising because we discussed this all before sending the email | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | I'm just following the process as written though | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | any questions/comments about incubation? | 15:05 |
| bswartz | ameade: are both these topics yours, or just the second one? | 15:06 |
| ameade | bswartz: just the second | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I don't see dasha or vponomaryov here cover the first | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:07 |
| bswartz | sorry I forgot to link the agenda | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I will take this one | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #topic Add support to use default network by multitenant drivers | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/default-network-for-multitenant-drivers | 15:07 |
| bswartz | so the issue here is that some people have flat network and they don't use secure multitenancy | 15:08 |
| bswartz | flat networks* | 15:08 |
| bswartz | but the multitenant drivers expect a share network | 15:08 |
| bswartz | so there needs to be a notion of a "default" share network that represents the flat network, in cases where flat networking is used | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | The main question in my mind is how to repesent it | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | should we allow an empty share-network and assume that means default? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | or should manila create a special share network to represent that default flat network so users can refer to it explicitly? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | ..... | 15:10 |
| ameade | bswartz: what are the cons of the first option again? | 15:10 |
| nileshb | what are pros and cons of these two options? | 15:11 |
| nileshb | empty share network sounds good for the drivers which are developed for flat networks | 15:11 |
| bswartz | The cons of the first one seem like making the share network optional and to implicitly default to a flat network is confusing | 15:11 |
| bswartz | we don't want to end up with the single tenant flavor of manila having a significantly different UI than the multitenant flavor | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | I think I favor something explicit | 15:12 |
| nileshb | ok ... agree | 15:13 |
| bswartz | even if it's just a special sentinel value | 15:13 |
| bswartz | but something that manila adds to the DB automatically would be even better IMO | 15:13 |
| nileshb | so manila by default creates a share-network ... which is available to the single tenant drivers? | 15:13 |
| scottda | when does that happen? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | nileshb: well the network would be available to all drivers | 15:14 |
| bswartz | and for single tenant drivers, it would be the ONLY valid network (until we have gateway multitenancy) | 15:14 |
| nileshb | true .. but would be the default one? | 15:14 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, when you say flat network, it means the same as tenant network or the same as host network or something else ? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I would rather not have an optional argument at the API level | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | flat network implies that there is no separation -- the backend network and the tenant networks are the same | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | ofc there may still be firewalls and routers and network funkiness | 15:15 |
| bswartz | but logically it's one network manila has to be aware of | 15:16 |
| scottda | So does that mean this is a Neutron provider network? | 15:16 |
| bswartz | scottda: I'm not sure -- perhaps | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I suppose neutron is still needed in a flat network just to provide IPs | 15:17 |
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| nileshb | but then we are bringing in multi-tenancy aspect to the single tenant drivers as well .. which then need to create a private n/w first in neutron and use it for creating a shared-nw | 15:18 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, typically storage (backend) network is outside of the openstack ecosystem, so instances actually have to use br-ex to access them direclty (without gateway) | 15:18 |
| bswartz | does anyone feel strongly that we should make the default share network implicit rather than explicit? | 15:18 |
| scottda | It seems that the UI currently requires an explicit call to create a share network. I'm not sure why it's so bad to add an API option to indicate that this is the backend network, and then have manila update the DB accordingly. | 15:18 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, so just wondering how/when tenant and backend networks be the same ? Is this possible in real world ? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: in private cloud scenarios, people don't always bother to setup VLANs or other network segmentation | 15:19 |
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| rraja | bswartz: so you suggest that creating a share network be mandatory for all drivers, and creating a manila share without a share-network-id errors out even for single tenant driver[unlike the present state of manila code]? | 15:20 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, ok, but i thought in private cloud the storage network could be still be separate network, no ? | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | rraja: no -- I'm suggesting that manila will create the 'default' network for you and you just have to explicitly refer to it when you create your share if that's what you want | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: the admin can do whatever he wants | 15:21 |
| bswartz | it's a question of whether manila needs to know about it or not | 15:21 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, Ok. so we create a service network today, so how is creating a default network different ? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | consider the case of cinder | 15:22 |
| bswartz | cinder doesn't need to know the network topology -- it's assumed someone has provided connectivity between the storage controllers and the things that will connect to them | 15:22 |
| bswartz | manila can have a similar mode | 15:23 |
| bswartz | and we can call that the "default" share-network | 15:23 |
| nileshb | so then networking aspect is implicit to cinder | 15:23 |
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| nileshb | why cannot we keep it the same way for flat network drivers in manila? | 15:23 |
| bswartz | nileshb: we can keep it the same from a functionality perspective -- I think everyone agrees on that | 15:24 |
| bswartz | its' a question of the UI | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | nileshb: I want to come back to you question above | 15:24 |
| bswartz | because we talked about the certificate-based auth stuff for glusterfs, but we haven't discussed changes to networking to support multitenancy with glusterfs | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I want to understand what your plans are there and if they conflict with our existing plans for multitenancy on top of gluster | 15:26 |
| bswartz | but that's a different topic | 15:26 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, that would be me, not nileshb :) | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I'm going to update this BP to require explicitly specifying the "default" network | 15:26 |
| bswartz | and we can try that and see if anyone hates it | 15:26 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: I think I need to talk to both of you | 15:27 |
| bswartz | maybe we'll have time later on in this meeting | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I want to get to the other agenda item though | 15:27 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, ok | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #topic New blueprint for api validation | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/json-schema-api-validation | 15:27 |
| ameade | i'll summarize | 15:28 |
| bswartz | ameade: I like this | 15:28 |
| ameade | The blueprint is just an idea of having manila utilize jsonschema to validate all incoming requests. | 15:28 |
| ameade | I think there are other projects that do this, one being Glance. The advantage here is that we can have better HTTP 400 responses when the user makes a mistake. | 15:28 |
| ameade | The functionality could also be expanded later to have the API describe itself (glance does this as well). For example, the manila client could query the api about what the current user can do and receive a personalized usage message. | 15:28 |
| bswartz | +1 | 15:28 |
| ameade | or just have schemas that can be referenced as API documentation. | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | if anyone is looking for a place to contribute to manila, this looks like an easy bit of work | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | ameade: you mentioned glance has this -- is there any chance we can do a cut+paste job from glance to manila? | 15:29 |
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| ameade | bswartz: not sure, I think it is pretty intermingled in glance, i would rather have this logic more modularized | 15:30 |
| bswartz | or is the hard work here actually writing up the schema? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:30 |
| ameade | bswartz: my gut tells me that is the hard part | 15:30 |
| bswartz | do you have a good idea of how the schemas would be specified? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | one giant schema? small bits per API? even more granular? | 15:30 |
| ameade | bswartz: so i think you would have a schema per resource | 15:31 |
| * bswartz imagines the merge conflicts that will result if there is one centralized schema | 15:31 | |
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| ameade | an example would be...on a create request, take the entire request body, parse it, and do jsonschema.validate(body, schema) | 15:32 |
| ameade | something like that | 15:32 |
| bswartz | what would the process be for a developer to add a new API? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | or to add a new argument to an existing API | 15:32 |
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| ameade | bswartz: they should only have to modify the schema in addition to any changes they would do now | 15:33 |
| ameade | when adding a new resource they would have to write a schema for it | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | seems reasonable to me | 15:34 |
| bswartz | any other opinions? | 15:34 |
| deepakcs | sounds like a nice idea to me | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | oh well | 15:34 |
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| ameade | i just think we need to make sure we dont make this a burden | 15:35 |
| ameade | so design here will be important | 15:35 |
| bswartz | okay well thanks to ameade for suggesting the idea -- I think anyone can take on this project who wants to | 15:35 |
| bswartz | wants* | 15:35 |
| bswartz | ameade: you might want to add some details to the BP that cover what we talked about | 15:35 |
| bswartz | or a link to the eavesdrop for this meeting | 15:35 |
| bswartz | or both! | 15:35 |
| ameade | bswartz: sure will do | 15:35 |
| bswartz | okay we still have time to talk about gluster | 15:36 |
| bswartz | #topic glusterfs and multitenancy | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | nileshb: you back? | 15:36 |
| bswartz | vbellur? | 15:36 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, vbellur isn't well and was on sick leave today | 15:37 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: okay | 15:37 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: can you summarize what's going on over there at redhat? | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | are you and nileshb working together? | 15:37 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, nope.. nileshb is from ibm, i am from redhat | 15:37 |
| bswartz | what? | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | DOH! | 15:37 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, :) | 15:37 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, what u wanted me to summarize ? | 15:38 |
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| csaba | bswartz, deepakcs: we are just to set up a call next week with nileshb :) | 15:38 |
| bswartz | okay I'm a bit confused | 15:38 |
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| deepakcs | me too confused | 15:38 |
| deepakcs | i am missing some context here | 15:38 |
| csaba | so eventually, we are coordinating | 15:38 |
| bswartz | (11:18:03 AM) nileshb: but then we are bringing in multi-tenancy aspect to the single tenant drivers as well .. which then need to create a private n/w first in neutron and use it for creating a shared-nw | 15:38 |
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| csaba | yeah so that's a heads up :) | 15:39 |
| bswartz | that's the comment nileshb made that confused me | 15:39 |
| deepakcs | csaba, ok! | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | I thought that was a reference to the glusterfs stuff | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: okay please explain your thinking regarding multitenancy and glusterfs | 15:40 |
| bswartz | sorry I assume nileshb was working on the same | 15:40 |
| bswartz | assumed* | 15:40 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, this in the context of cert based access type (glusterfs native protocol) ? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | well my thinking for the last several months has been that we'd get the gateway code working | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | so manila could automatically create a bridge from a glusterfs server on a flat network to a NFS client on a private VLAN | 15:42 |
| deepakcs | csaba, u wanna talk here on the gateway mediated work u r doing ? | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | the reason we've been assuming the gateway would create an NFS bridge is to decouple the storage controller's software version from the client's software version | 15:42 |
| bswartz | in a public cloud, it's unreasonable to expect everyone to run the same version of gluster all the time | 15:43 |
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| csaba | deepakcs: that's maybe off topic if single vs. multitenancy is considered, our current effort is agnostic to that | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | csaba: so you're doing work on the gateway stuff? | 15:45 |
| bswartz | and deepakcs is working on some method that doesn't involve gateways? is that right? | 15:45 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, yes.. hence i asked, which method above. Mine is for native glusterfs protocol which uses cert based access type | 15:46 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, for NFS, csaba and rraja are working on ganesha based approach | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: okay that's helpful | 15:46 |
| csaba | bswartz: yes, me and ramana work on ganesha driver which eventually will piggyback on generic driver, replacing cinder with ganesha | 15:46 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, np, i was a bit confused before :) | 15:46 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: I'm more familiar with the gateway work | 15:47 |
| csaba | deepakcs is working on the cert based glusterfs driver | 15:47 |
| bswartz | okay so are you guys planning to deliver 2 completely separate drivers? | 15:47 |
| bswartz | or will the code be merged into 1 driver with 2 ways of operating? | 15:47 |
| csaba | bswartz: these are separate efforts, with complementing feature sets | 15:47 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, I am not very sure atm. I think one driver but depending on the gluster URI passed can be used for NFS, or native access | 15:48 |
| bswartz | yeah I can see how the features complement | 15:48 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, and if NFS, it will use serviceVM / ganesha approach | 15:48 |
| deepakcs | otherwise the networking has tto be setup so tat the instance subnet is able to access glusterfs server directly over glusterfs protocol | 15:49 |
| bswartz | what concerns me is that anything that uses glusterfs natively will be only useful in restricted environments | 15:49 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, thats the thinking atm | 15:49 |
| csaba | so focus for ganesha driver is to bring nfs4 and multi-backend options to the generic driver scenario | 15:49 |
| bswartz | because of the versioning issue I mentioned | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | although I'd love to be proved wrong about those concerns | 15:49 |
| csaba | focus for the cert based driver is to implement a new means of separation with / via strong crtypography | 15:50 |
| bswartz | okay so I have a different concern there | 15:50 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, ok, i am not myself very sure abt the versioning issue.. need to think | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | the goal of the multitenancy in cinder isn't just about protecting data with cryptography -- it's about protecting tenants from eachother | 15:51 |
| bswartz | it's not okay for tenants to even be able to know that other tenants exist | 15:51 |
| bswartz | we're aiming for zero leakage of information | 15:51 |
| csaba | bswartz: but that can be achieved via proper networking setup? | 15:51 |
| bswartz | can glusterfs with certificate based auth achieve that? | 15:51 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, i think so with proper n/wing setup between the tenant's and glusterfs server | 15:52 |
| csaba | that part, as you pointed out last week, is independent of the backend access mechanism | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | I will want to look more closely at the design when it's ready | 15:53 |
| bswartz | here's my specific concern | 15:53 |
| bswartz | suppose I run a public cloud | 15:53 |
| bswartz | I have 2 tenants: coke and pepsi | 15:53 |
| bswartz | they both consume glusterfs-based shared filesystems | 15:54 |
| bswartz | now suppose a spy at pepsi is able to obtain the secret key for coke's data using some external method | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | will pepsi be able to read all of coke's data in the cloud using that key? | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | or will the secure multitenancy protect them? | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | I would hope the answer is no | 15:55 |
| bswartz | when I think about secure multitenancy I think about belt+suspenders type security | 15:56 |
| rushil | bswartz: Depends on the networking setup | 15:56 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, i think bcos of networking the pepsi spy won't be able to see the coke's share | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:56 |
| bswartz | if that's true then maybe we don't have any problem | 15:57 |
| rushil | bswartz: deepakcs is right in saying that | 15:57 |
| bswartz | I just want people to understand that we need to take multitenancy security issues very seriously and anything that might leak data between 2 tenants is a major problem | 15:57 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, and in setting up that kind of networking in a non-service VM based approach.. we need to have br-ex (external bridge) configured to have tenants access outside network | 15:57 |
| rushil | Proper firewall rules will need to be implemented to make sure that the tenants can't breach the lines and circumvent | 15:58 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, rushil which i think is part of deployer's responsibiluty in openstack ecosystem | 15:58 |
| rushil | deepakcs: +1 | 15:58 |
| bswartz | okay it sounds like we're all on the same page | 15:58 |
| bswartz | since we have only 1 minute left | 15:58 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | any last minute stuff? | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | (literally last minute) | 15:59 |
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| deepakcs | none | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | okay thanks all | 15:59 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, thanks | 15:59 |
| rraja | thanks | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 31 16:00:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-07-31-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-07-31-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-07-31-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| mihgen | hi folks | 16:00 |
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| nurla | hi | 16:00 |
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| vkramskikh | hi | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | hi | 16:01 |
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| ikalnitsky | 0/ | 16:01 |
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| dpyzhov | hi | 16:02 |
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| mihgen | looks like we are about to start, sorry wrapping up another meeting | 16:02 |
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| mattymo | hi all | 16:02 |
| mihgen | #startmeeting fuel | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 31 16:02:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihgen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:02 |
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| mihgen | hey we don't have vkozhukalov today who is usually a chairman, so I gonna run it | 16:03 |
| mihgen | let's discuss where we are | 16:03 |
| mihgen | we are in SCF phase and squashing bugs actuallyu | 16:03 |
| mihgen | #topic 5.0.1 status | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | the most severe issue we have is HA bug related to oslo.messaging | 16:04 |
| mihgen | nurla: can you please give update on that? | 16:04 |
| nurla | we still have issue with oslo patching in 5.0.1 and now we active test it | 16:05 |
| nurla | for RC preparing | 16:05 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: what are the issues with patching / upgrades - which we proposed to 5.0.1 ? | 16:06 |
| mihgen | angdraug: I also see a few new bugs assigned to 5.0.1 | 16:06 |
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| nurla | special for patching feature we've already update all our clients | 16:07 |
| dpyzhov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1348331 this bug is almost the same as other provision issue and we decided to skip it for 5.0.1 | 16:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1348331 in fuel "upgrade: new envs uses old kerlenl images during provisioning" [High,In progress] | 16:07 |
| dpyzhov | ikalnitsky: is it the same? ^^ | 16:07 |
| angdraug | #link https://launchpad.net/fuel/+milestone/5.0.1 | 16:07 |
| angdraug | no new bugs right now | 16:07 |
| ikalnitsky | dpyzhov: yeah, almost the same. non-critical at all | 16:08 |
| dpyzhov | And we have this issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1349833 | 16:08 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1349833 in fuel/5.0.x "[upgrade] Upgarde script restores old DB dump while upgrading second time" [High,In progress] | 16:08 |
| dpyzhov | It is not trivial case, so I’m not sure if we want to fix it in 5.0.1 | 16:08 |
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| evgeniyl | I we have a fix, and tarball with the fix, we are testing it right now | 16:09 |
| dpyzhov | mihgen, your oppinion? | 16:09 |
| mihgen | on 833, I think we should get core developers to take a closer look | 16:09 |
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| mihgen | if risks are low with possible regressions, I would get it in | 16:09 |
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| mihgen | anyway we are waiting for oslo fix | 16:09 |
| dpyzhov | We want to merge it, but we can skip it if it really slows us down | 16:09 |
| dpyzhov | ok, so we’ll merge it | 16:10 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: let's get extensive QA on that too | 16:10 |
| aglarendil | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1346939 | 16:10 |
| mihgen | mattymo: are you still working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1346939 ? | 16:10 |
| nurla | asledzinskiy should test it more thoroughly | 16:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1346939 in fuel/5.1.x "[fuel-library] Puppet does not generate settings.yaml file correctly" [High,In progress] | 16:10 |
| aglarendil | there was a fix that was reverted | 16:10 |
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| aglarendil | I think we will have a fix on this week | 16:11 |
| mihgen | this week doesn't work | 16:11 |
| mihgen | we are about to start acceptance.. | 16:11 |
| mihgen | also let's get better info on it's severity | 16:11 |
| mihgen | it's now High | 16:11 |
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| mihgen | I want to skip all High's … if it's Critical, then we want to get it in | 16:12 |
| aglarendil | this bug is related to dns name resolving on the master node | 16:12 |
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| mihgen | I can't get an impact on real user | 16:12 |
| aglarendil | it is 100% not Critical | 16:12 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: you are release manager of 5.0.1, please take a closer look ;) | 16:12 |
| angdraug | I agree with aglarendil | 16:12 |
| angdraug | the fix will be more dangerous than leaving this bug in | 16:12 |
| nurla | move it to 5.0.1 | 16:12 |
| mihgen | ok, thanks, please move | 16:13 |
| angdraug | 5.0.2 | 16:13 |
| nurla | *5.0.2 | 16:13 |
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| nurla | yep | 16:13 |
| angdraug | done | 16:13 |
| mihgen | is it all about 5.0.1 ? | 16:13 |
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| angdraug | the rest is oslo.messaging related | 16:13 |
| angdraug | I think we're ready to move on | 16:13 |
| mihgen | well there is one more | 16:14 |
| mihgen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110599/ | 16:14 |
| aglarendil | it does not pass CI | 16:14 |
| mihgen | don't know if we want to get it in… | 16:14 |
| aglarendil | bogdando: what is the status now ? | 16:14 |
| mihgen | angdraug: take a look too … | 16:14 |
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| mihgen | ok let's move ahead | 16:14 |
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| mihgen | #topic 5.1 bugs | 16:15 |
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| mihgen | folks, we are 1 week before HCF | 16:15 |
| mattymo | mihgen, sorry I stepped away. https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1346939refs/changes/82/110982/1 I am still working on | 16:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1346939 in fuel/5.1.x "[fuel-library] Puppet does not generate settings.yaml file correctly" [High,In progress] | 16:15 |
| mihgen | overall I feel we are more or less Ok, however a lot of QA / DevOps bugs still there | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | there is bug with galera | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | but we are close to fixing it | 16:16 |
| mattymo | I proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110922/ because I don't believe that the reverted patch is the culprit | 16:16 |
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| aglarendil | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1350245 | 16:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1350245 in fuel "Failed to call refresh: /usr/bin/mysql -uwsrep_sst -ppassword -Nbe "show status like 'wsrep_local_state_comment'"" [Critical,In progress] | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | holser is working on the patch | 16:16 |
| nurla | yep, yesterday was fixed neutron with gre for 5.1 | 16:16 |
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| aglarendil | the actual bug is related to slow environments | 16:17 |
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| aglarendil | we are going to fix it with renicing of galera state transfer | 16:17 |
| mihgen | well cpu should not be eaten for no reason.. | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | among other bugs we have, I'd like to request core devs to move remaining Medium/Low to 6.0 | 16:18 |
| mihgen | including 6.0 | 16:18 |
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| mihgen | oh folks I've not shared agenda today, but it's in the same location ) | 16:18 |
| mihgen | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:18 |
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| nurla | thx! | 16:18 |
| angdraug | btw we still have 46 new bugs :( | 16:18 |
| mihgen | I see a lot of medium / low on OSTF, dpyzhov please help with those | 16:19 |
| mihgen | as you leading python team | 16:19 |
| mihgen | also, rvyalov - there are a lot of bugs on OSCI which are likely to be moved | 16:19 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: 46 new bugs ? | 16:20 |
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| xarses | 46 bugs in the new state | 16:20 |
| xarses | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 16:21 |
| mihgen | yep, there 46, many are not targeted to 5.1 | 16:21 |
| akasatkin | 22 for 5.1 | 16:21 |
| angdraug | new status means that we didn't look at them, every one of them could be a critical | 16:21 |
| mihgen | in the current phase of the project, it's highly important to review New bugs on daily basis, and triage them / set milestone sooner than later | 16:21 |
| mihgen | angdraug: precisely. | 16:22 |
| mihgen | So all - please pay highest attention to those | 16:22 |
| mattymo | We could propose a triage duty, where a person is designated to make sure all new bugs get confirmed and set priority and team | 16:22 |
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| angdraug | one person cannot confirm more than several bugs a day, we should all be doing it | 16:23 |
| mihgen | let's try to do it without special events.. | 16:23 |
| mihgen | if it doesn't work, we will need to group together on Monday | 16:23 |
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| mattymo | "everyone" means in reality "no one" until someone gets beaten about it | 16:23 |
| angdraug | yes, everybody should dedicate an hour or two per day looking only at new bugs | 16:23 |
| mihgen | mattymo: I'll get stats from LP karma ;) | 16:24 |
| angdraug | team leads get beaten | 16:24 |
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| mihgen | it must be everyone on *daily* basis! | 16:24 |
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| mihgen | I think we can move ahead | 16:25 |
| mattymo | is it possible to find out who least of all marks bugs from new to another status? | 16:25 |
| mattymo | maybe identifying our offenders is a step forward | 16:25 |
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| angdraug | once again, job for team leads. lets move on | 16:26 |
| mihgen | you can take a look on karma | 16:26 |
| mihgen | #topic patching of openstack issues | 16:26 |
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| mihgen | dpyzhov: please provide latest status on it | 16:26 |
| dpyzhov | Ok, now we have jobs for tarballs | 16:26 |
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| mihgen | we know there were serious issues, including in design found.. | 16:27 |
| dpyzhov | tarballs have been tested manually and seem to work | 16:27 |
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| dpyzhov | We have pack of bug reports | 16:27 |
| dpyzhov | But iso is broken =) | 16:27 |
| dpyzhov | It is not urgent, but we need to fix iso on this jobs | 16:27 |
| dpyzhov | It has lower priority then setting automated tests for tarballs | 16:28 |
| mihgen | what is your estimate when we can get all automated for QA? | 16:29 |
| mihgen | so they can start testing it from end to end? | 16:29 |
| mihgen | it's piece by piece still up until now.. | 16:29 |
| dpyzhov | passing question to nurla | 16:29 |
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| nurla | today we've created all jobs for patching on jenkins | 16:30 |
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| mihgen | well overall we still don't get 5.1 upgrade tarball which would contain all required items | 16:30 |
| dpyzhov | anyway we can not merge changes in buildsystem before 5.0.1 release | 16:30 |
| nurla | and i hope its'll start with swarm | 16:30 |
| mihgen | and no job which can make it | 16:30 |
| dpyzhov | It is too risky for 5.0.1 | 16:30 |
| mihgen | is it the case? | 16:30 |
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| mihgen | the issue is that we will provide patching of 5.0.1 envs to 5.0.2, but 5.0.2 doesn't yet exist | 16:32 |
| dpyzhov | mihgen: we do have upgrade tarball with patching from 5.0 to 5.0.1 | 16:32 |
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| mihgen | but we have to somehow test it already | 16:32 |
| nurla | exactly for this case we created jobs for testing | 16:32 |
| mihgen | what's our approach here? it should be ready by 5.1… and we must ensure there will be no issues in patching 5.0.1 -> 5.0.2 , not only 5.0 -> 5.0.1 | 16:33 |
| mihgen | nurla: do we have repo 5.0.2 ready ? | 16:33 |
| mihgen | which we can use now to emulate the process? | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | well I see we are still not on the same page about this ( | 16:34 |
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| mihgen | let's take it the mailing list | 16:35 |
| dpyzhov | ok | 16:35 |
| mihgen | another thing about patching | 16:35 |
| mihgen | #topic patching of non-openstack packages (ceph, firmware) | 16:35 |
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| mihgen | our current implementation will patch everything what puppet installs | 16:35 |
| mihgen | right? | 16:35 |
| rvyalov | mihgen: repo for 5.0.2 ready | 16:35 |
| mihgen | so when we provide updated 5.0.1 / 5.0.2 repo | 16:36 |
| mihgen | then it's gonna be an issue, correct? | 16:36 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: don't we up ceph version in 5.0.1 ? | 16:36 |
| angdraug | we do | 16:36 |
| mihgen | so when we do patching of 5.0 to 5.0.1 | 16:37 |
| mihgen | ceph is gonna be updated | 16:37 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:37 |
| mihgen | which we didn't expect in patching right? | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | if we just restart ceph by puppet, will it be Ok? | 16:37 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | ok then it's fine | 16:38 |
| mihgen | however in general | 16:38 |
| mihgen | it was only about patching OpenStack | 16:38 |
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| angdraug | if we patch mysql or rabbitmq it will be more interesting | 16:38 |
| xarses | yes, the monitors first preferred, but it should be fine anyway | 16:38 |
| mihgen | so the thing is how many more packages were updated already | 16:38 |
| aglarendil | no patching of mysql | 16:38 |
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| mihgen | rvyalov: are you still around? | 16:39 |
| mihgen | we must have list of all packages updated in 5.0.1 | 16:39 |
| rvyalov | mihgen we have problem with patching in 5.0.2 -upstream bug https://tickets.puppetlabs.com/browse/PUP-682 | 16:39 |
| mihgen | to ensure we don't have something like mysql update | 16:39 |
| mihgen | otherwise we are screwed up | 16:39 |
| dpyzhov | rvyalov: how does it affects us? | 16:40 |
| rvyalov | yes we rebuilding all openstack packages in 5.0.1 | 16:40 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: need time to read it up | 16:40 |
| mihgen | openstack pkgs is fine, what we are rebuilding besides | 16:40 |
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| rvyalov | dpyzhov: version in 5.0.2 <5.0 in rpm | 16:40 |
| dpyzhov | rvyalov: excellent | 16:41 |
| rvyalov | yum correct updated packages, but puppet no | 16:41 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: omg can that bug be fixed in puppet custom provider or some other monkey-patch? | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: the fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106997/ | 16:42 |
| mihgen | or we will need to deliver new puppet version with a fix? | 16:42 |
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| mihgen | ikalnitsky: nice :) | 16:42 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: we need to deliver this fix fo 5.0 and 5.0.1. perhaps during fuel-upgrade | 16:42 |
| mihgen | bogdando: excellent :) fix is ready before we find a bug ) | 16:43 |
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| mihgen | ikalnitsky: we don't need to back port it to stable/5.0 before 5.0.1 comes out I think, right? | 16:43 |
| rvyalov | need test update from 5.0.1 to 5.0.2 | 16:44 |
| mihgen | when we release 5.1, we can have this fix in stable/5.0 puppet manifests for updating 5.0 -> 5.0.1, 5.0.1 -> 5.0.2 | 16:44 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: yep I hope it should be possible | 16:45 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: we need this fix for both 5.0 and 5.0.1 puppets - without it rollback feature will fail. I think we need to deliver it during fuel-upgrade script , so we can skip backporting to 5.0.1 | 16:45 |
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| rvyalov | problem , if we updated 5.0 to 5.0.2. we can skip to 5.0.1 | 16:45 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: ok so we must merge it in stable/5.0 right after 5.0.1 goes out | 16:46 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: one more thing : we can update that way - 5.0 -> 5.0.2 and 5.0.1 -> 5.0.2. we don't need to update 5.0 to 5.0.1 and then to 5.0.2 | 16:46 |
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| mihgen | ikalnitsky: yep | 16:46 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: wait | 16:46 |
| mihgen | what do you mean skip? | 16:46 |
| rvyalov | skip backport patch to 5.0.1 (stable/5.0) | 16:47 |
| dpyzhov | As I see, we will not have cases when someone will update 5.0 to 5.0.1 | 16:47 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: patching is not available in 5.0.1 | 16:47 |
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| mihgen | so there is gonna be no issue when 5.0.1 comes out | 16:47 |
| mihgen | then we can manage it the way that we put 5.0.2 puppet manifests for updates directly to it from 5.0 | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | actually I don't know why someone would do patching 5.0 -> 5.0.1 when there is 5.0.2 out | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | ok anymore on patching? | 16:49 |
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| mihgen | looks like no :) | 16:50 |
| mihgen | we are out of topics from the agenda | 16:50 |
| angdraug | open discussion? | 16:50 |
| mihgen | yep | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | among other, | 16:51 |
| mihgen | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel#Nightly_builds | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | it will have build verification tests soon | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | which will do HA tests | 16:51 |
| angdraug | hurray! | 16:52 |
| mihgen | so we will be able to see which night build passes HA | 16:52 |
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| mihgen | bookwar is working on BVT jobs | 16:52 |
| mihgen | thanks teran for torrent, works very well | 16:52 |
| angdraug | so it's not the same as internal iso smoke? | 16:52 |
| mihgen | I don't think smoke is needed | 16:52 |
| mihgen | smoke is centos simple | 16:52 |
| mihgen | it's gonna be ubuntu HA & centos HA | 16:53 |
| teran | mihgen: you're welcome :) | 16:53 |
| mihgen | internally we need smoke for quick verification | 16:53 |
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| angdraug | make sense, but I'm concerned that we'll have different isos with different ci coverage | 16:53 |
| xarses | like angdraug said, so it's not a copy of the internal iso? | 16:53 |
| mihgen | teran: I think we need to write an announcement to openstack-dev ML [Fuel] about that we have nightly builds.. | 16:53 |
| mihgen | it is not | 16:53 |
| mihgen | internally we build iso which is MOS' | 16:54 |
| xarses | that's bad, we aready have too many build numbers | 16:54 |
| mihgen | externally it's Fuel community ISO | 16:54 |
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| mihgen | which is at the moment different only in the way that it has enabled experimental features by default, and doesn't contain mirantis logs | 16:54 |
| mihgen | logos* | 16:54 |
| xarses | 1) We need to start using a global build number (or number scheme) so we can tell which job made the iso | 16:54 |
| angdraug | xarses: +1 | 16:55 |
| angdraug | but I'm more concerned about consistent ci coverage across different builds | 16:55 |
| mihgen | xarses: angdraug it might be complicated to make | 16:55 |
| xarses | 2) If we can't use the same iso as the internal, then we need to make them use the same commit's so we can copy over the bvt results | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | xarses: agree on #2.. | 16:55 |
| xarses | mihgen: for 1, if we cant use a single global number then we use scheme like builds 10xxx are from job A | 16:56 |
| angdraug | if single iso numbering for both jobs is too hard, we should indicate job type in the file name | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | I think it should be doable (#2), will talk to devops team about it | 16:56 |
| angdraug | and at that rate we're gonna need a wiki page that explains iso file naming conventions :) | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | anyway BVT is critical priority as we need to give ISO for users to provide feedback before we release | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | > if single iso numbering for both jobs is too hard, we should indicate job type in the file name | 16:57 |
| mihgen | it's there | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | in /api/version | 16:57 |
| angdraug | should be in the file name | 16:57 |
| angdraug | not inside the image | 16:57 |
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| angdraug | like fuel-gerrit-* | 16:58 |
| xarses | opening the iso is pita just to find the version number | 16:58 |
| nurla | you may find iso version in jenkins job output - grep 'iso version' | 16:58 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: http://paste.openstack.org/show/89418/ | 16:58 |
| angdraug | I know all that. people from outside Mirantis might not | 16:59 |
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| angdraug | we need a public wiki page that explains how to trace where the iso came from | 16:59 |
| mihgen | angdraug: true. should be explained | 16:59 |
| mihgen | angdraug: +1, I can do it | 16:59 |
| mihgen | time to wrap up | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | thanks folks for participating ! | 16:59 |
| xarses | nurla: this is what our iso folder looks like http://paste.openstack.org/show/89419/ | 16:59 |
| mihgen | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 31 17:00:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-07-31-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-07-31-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-07-31-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| nurla | xarses: i've mean in jobs after test (smoke, bvt) output | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | #startmeeting openstack security group | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 31 17:01:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack security group)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | Good morning/evening everyone! | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | hey hey | 17:01 |
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| shohel02 | hi | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Yo | 17:01 |
| malini2 | :) | 17:01 |
| bdpayne | howdy | 17:01 |
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| bknudson | hi... I'm finally getting dug out from being buried with work | 17:01 |
| mxin | hi, all | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | welcome back to the living bknudson | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, lets give people a minute or two longer and then we'll get rolling | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | sounds good | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Righto, what would people like to talk about today ? | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | maybe status of bug filing for gate test bugs? | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Great, what else? | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | you or nkinder wanted to do some triage for OSSN, right? | 17:04 |
| bdpayne | I can give some quick book updates | 17:04 |
| shohel02 | I will give some update on Threat Analysis work | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | Cool, looks like we might be on for a short meeting :P | 17:04 |
| mxin | nice | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Ok well lets dive in. | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bug filing | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: go | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | so, I think we're moving along pretty well on filing bugs | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | what I was wondering is if we want to tag the ones that we file to indicate they came from gate tests | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | I mean not gate tests, but the gate test tool | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | Yes | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | we should agree some boilerplate, one or two sentances | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | (This bug was found by the OSSG using X, our beta tool for doing Y etc | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | I was thinking more along the lines of a tag | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Oh i see | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | is that an appropriate use for a tag? | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | Not sure that makes sense as in the long term we intend this to be in CI not bugs | 17:07 |
| shohel02 | I agree with Rob | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | good point | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | I think thats pretty much all I had to say | 17:08 |
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| malini2 | Rob +1 | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | is there anybody that wants to take on a bug but doesn't know how to start? | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | ok cool | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | So tmcpeak how many bugs are left to file, I know you took a bunch | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah, I'm actually in a Trove rathole | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | I started looking at one and found so much stuff that I don't like I think I'll be here for a while | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | haha good -I think | 17:09 |
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| tmcpeak | looks like we have filed about… 7 | 17:09 |
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| * bdpayne just remembered one more thing we should talk about ... I'll bring it up at the end | 17:09 | |
| tmcpeak | err 9 | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, maybe I'll see if I can get someone from HP to help, we're a bit thin on the ground atm | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | sounds good | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: how exciting :) | 17:10 |
| bdpayne | yeah, right? | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | ok bdpayne want to talk about the security guide? | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | #topic openstack security guide | 17:10 |
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| bdpayne | sure | 17:11 |
| bdpayne | so we've been chugging along on the bugs filed during the meetup | 17:11 |
| bdpayne | one key thing worth mentioning is that we have reworked the chapters | 17:11 |
| bdpayne | before we have something like 55 chapters | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah lots of work went into that | 17:11 |
| bdpayne | now many of those are sections within a larger chapter | 17:11 |
| bdpayne | the end result is great | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | big thanks to some guys on the doc team for helping | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | 18 chapters now, looks great | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | beyond that, I still have it on my todo list to put together a longer term vision on the book | 17:12 |
| dg__ | good effort | 17:12 |
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| bdpayne | 2 others have expressed interest in helping | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | so I'll work with them and report back here in a week or two | 17:13 |
| bdpayne | and that's about all that I have on the book this week :-) | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Wonderful | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Threat Analysis | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | shohel02: You're up.... | 17:13 |
| shohel02 | cool | 17:13 |
| shohel02 | so we are going through the notes taken in Meetup | 17:13 |
| shohel02 | some of the action points | 17:14 |
| shohel02 | one of them was distributing task... | 17:14 |
| shohel02 | and for that we have created an launchpad ..now anyone can assign themselves | 17:14 |
| bdpayne | link? | 17:14 |
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| shohel02 | a part of the work | 17:14 |
| shohel02 | https://launchpad.net/openstack-threat-analysis | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-threat-analysis | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | ^ for the minutes ;) | 17:15 |
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| shohel02 | I will send email in the security group so people know the stuff | 17:15 |
| bdpayne | groovy | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | shohel02: Great work! | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else for today? | 17:16 |
| shohel02 | nop | 17:16 |
| shohel02 | some minor editing work | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:16 |
| shohel02 | on the repo | 17:16 |
| shohel02 | thats it | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Summit Talks | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok kids, time to pimp your talks | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | how's it done? | 17:16 |
| bdpayne | what's this summit you guys are talking about? :-) | 17:16 |
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| bdpayne | just provide a link to the talk so we can vote | 17:17 |
| shohel02 | ha ha...pimping | 17:17 |
| mxin | yes | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Just drop a link to your talks in here so people who car can go take a look and decide if it's worth a vote :P | 17:17 |
| bdpayne | nice to know which ones are coming from the security group | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: Do you have a talk? | 17:17 |
| mxin | https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/openstack-api-security-testing-automation-in-action | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/getting-ahead-of-the-game-finding-security-issues-in-openstack-code-at-the-gate | 17:17 |
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| viraptor | you all want to hear hyakuhei and me talking about makeing sure SSL is everywhere, right? :) https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/ssl-everywhere-with-ephemeral-pki | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | ^ use #link so it shows up in the minutes | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | tell your friends! | 17:17 |
| shohel02 | https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/identifying-security-issues-in-the-cloud-threat-analysis-for-openstack | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | viraptor: +1 | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/getting-ahead-of-the-game-finding-security-issues-in-openstack-code-at-the-gate | 17:17 |
| viraptor | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/ssl-everywhere-with-ephemeral-pki | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/identifying-security-issues-in-the-cloud-threat-analysis-for-openstack | 17:18 |
| dg__ | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/openstack-public-cloud-the-security-operations-perspective | 17:18 |
| shohel02 | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/identifying-security-issues-in-the-cloud-threat-analysis-for-openstack | 17:18 |
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| bdpayne | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/trustworthy-geographically-fenced-clouds-tgif-cs | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/ossg-delivering-and-improving-on-security-in-openstack | 17:19 |
| bdpayne | ^^ on this one, it is from IBM Research and I've been chatting with them a bit. Talk sounds interesting. | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Oh cool, good job! | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Welcome sicarie_ | 17:19 |
| bdpayne | well, "this one" being the link I provided above | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, everyone all done ? | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | Go take a look and vote if you like peoples :) | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: how many do you have, 5? | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | 3 | 17:19 |
| mxin | can we create a page to track them? | 17:19 |
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| mxin | hyakuhei: nice | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | #action mixin to create a wiki page to link to the OSSG authored talks at the Paris Sumit | 17:20 |
| bdpayne | you can use the vote tool to walk through the security talks too | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:20 |
| bdpayne | might be easier / less appearance of bias ;-) | 17:20 |
| mxin | got it. | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | So actually, a page listing all the talks by all OSSG members (for all previous summits) might be cool | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:21 |
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| malini2 | =-O#link https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/trusted-bare-metal-what-s-that | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | So I'd like to talk a bit about Stevedore https://github.com/openstack/stevedore | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | cool, please do | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | This came up earlier this week | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | Bottom line is that several openstack projects are starting to use it (or already do) | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | And that is is a ripe place for security issues | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | Not saying it is bad, per se | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | just that it has the potential for some nasty bugs | 17:22 |
| bknudson | keystone has a review in progress for using stevedore | 17:22 |
| bdpayne | OSSG was asked if we could do a security audit by the Glance PTL | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne: sounds good | 17:22 |
| bdpayne | I think it is a reasonable request | 17:22 |
| bdpayne | and I'd like to figure out how we can move ahead on such a thing | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | how should we chop it up? | 17:22 |
| bdpayne | not sure if this should fall under threat analysis or if it should be more of a code review or ?? | 17:23 |
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| bdpayne | thoughts? | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | shohel02: any thoughts ? | 17:23 |
| shohel02 | probably both | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | for sure code review | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | So a 1000ft view would be useful for moving things along I imagine | 17:23 |
| malini2 | bdpayne: code review seems the way here | 17:23 |
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| viraptor | that may be interesting, because it's only an internal library - nothing should pass unsanitized things into it.... code + external usage review? | 17:23 |
| bdpayne | viraptor malini2 I tend to agree | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Doable. viraptor do you have any cycles this week to do a pass througgh | 17:24 |
| shohel02 | if we are going to do code review, i can work with the people to make the model at the same time | 17:24 |
| mxin | how many lines of codes does it have? | 17:24 |
| shohel02 | to create threat model | 17:24 |
| viraptor | hyakuhei: not really... but later next week should be doable | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | shohel02: +1 | 17:24 |
| mxin | I agree with code review | 17:25 |
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| hyakuhei | Yes, Threat Analysis and Code review are good ideas - I'm interested in volunteers.... | 17:25 |
| malini2 | readthedocs implies there is some significant code there | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | I'll take a pass on it | 17:25 |
| malini2 | i will also dig in | 17:25 |
| bdpayne | looks like about 1000 lines of python | 17:25 |
| viraptor | mxin: 2.1k in total (comments, empty, ...) | 17:26 |
| bdpayne | 1090, to be exact | 17:26 |
| mxin | cool | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | That's not too bad. | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, so anyone up for mapping the entry/exit points? | 17:26 |
| mxin | I can help too | 17:26 |
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| malini2 | mxin, will compare notes with you Tuesday? | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Great, lets have an update next week | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | cool, thanks guys | 17:27 |
| viraptor | the interface is really nicely defined: see https://github.com/dreamhost/stevedore/blob/master/stevedore/dispatch.py | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:27 |
| mxin | malini2: sure. | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | I encourage everyone working on this to coordinate and work as a team | 17:27 |
| mxin | by using openstack-security irc channel? | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | congregate in #openstack-security? | 17:27 |
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| bdpayne | makes sense | 17:28 |
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| bdpayne | just want to avoid 5 separate efforts | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | IRC is ok but not brilliant for timezones, do the best you can :) | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Any other business ? | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Well I guess we are done then - that's a wrap, thank you everyone! | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | thanks! | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
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| bdpayne | cheers | 17:29 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 31 17:29:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-07-31-17.01.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-07-31-17.01.txt | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-07-31-17.01.log.html | 17:29 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks, ping! | 17:57 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:58 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 17:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 31 17:59:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 17:59 |
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| crobertsrh | Hello | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's wait for 5 mins for other folks | 18:01 |
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| ylobankov | hi | 18:01 |
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| aignatov | hello | 18:02 |
| tmckay | o/ | 18:02 |
| alazarev | o/ | 18:02 |
| reshetnyaks | hi | 18:02 |
| tmckay | \o | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's start the meeting | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:02 |
| tosky | hi | 18:03 |
| tmckay | been working on specs and blueprints, more spark stuff -- spark job type, spark tests | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | I'm making progress on Juno dashboard work, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-juno-post-merge-changes is my etherpad for keeping track. | 18:03 |
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| tmckay | we also need to figure out what to do about job cancel/delete | 18:03 |
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| alazarev | I’m implemented security group management feature, everyone are welcome to review | 18:03 |
| tosky | so, just a note to say that a) the new CentOS images works b) the fix from Hortonworks to their ambari repository works too; I generated CentOS vanilla2 and HDP2 images | 18:04 |
| elmiko | i've been working on the swift/auth blueprint, i have a few reviews up currently that could use more eyes(thanks to aignatov and alazarev). i'm working on the periodic task and trusts for job executions now. | 18:04 |
| tosky | (funnily enough, with master dib, it fails on the stable 0.1.17) | 18:04 |
| reshetnyaks | I'm working on CDH plugin and various bug fixing | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, great | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (re centos images) | 18:04 |
| alazarev | also fixed a bug in horizon that caused broken error messages in our dashboard | 18:04 |
| crobertsrh | Side note: The dashboard in horizon looks ugly right now due to their merging of the bootstrap library upgrade. I have one patch that takes care of the serious breakages, but there are still some visual oddities all over the dashboard, not just our stuff. | 18:04 |
| elmiko | tosky: we need to update the default tag once dib gets that extlinux patch tagged | 18:04 |
| tosky | elmiko: definitely | 18:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've added first benchmark to rally testing sahara node group templates | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov started looking on it too | 18:05 |
| tosky | if anyone knows how to push a patch in a faster way into dib, please help :) | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, ++ | 18:05 |
| aignatov | no special from me this week | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, send me a link to the patch and I ask 3o folks to review | 18:05 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i've just been waiting for the dib guys to get that patch in and make the next tag before i make a new PR | 18:06 |
| reshetnyaks | please, review CDH plugin | 18:06 |
| reshetnyaks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107390/ | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | reshetnyaks, I've +2'd it today | 18:06 |
| alazarev | crobertsrh: is it Ok that order of our menu is random? or is it designed like it is now? | 18:06 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104136/ | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | there was a -1 from tmckay for cdh, tmckay could you please take a look on it again? | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, ack | 18:07 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: thanks | 18:07 |
| tmckay | yes | 18:07 |
| crobertsrh | alazarev: Not random, but not of any particular design either. | 18:07 |
| crobertsrh | I'd probably +1 just about any change to the order of panels :) | 18:07 |
| aignatov | let’s fleshmob on tosky patch ;) | 18:07 |
| reshetnyaks | SergeyLukjanov, need more reviews | 18:07 |
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| tmckay | lol, flashmob | 18:08 |
| alazarev | crobertsrh: are we going to fix that? I was trying to find ‘Clusters’ that is somewhere in the bottom now | 18:08 |
| tmckay | fleshmob might be something else | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, share screenshot ;) | 18:08 |
| crobertsrh | I can add a bug to re-order things. What is your proposed order? Maybe the same order we had in sahara-dashboard? | 18:09 |
| crobertsrh | I think I had put thought into the sahara-dashboard ordering, but I'm open to ideas | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, I think the same order as in s-d is preferd | 18:09 |
| aignatov | tmckay: ops, please explain me what it could be private if it’s something awful… | 18:09 |
| crobertsrh | ok | 18:09 |
| tmckay | aignatov, lol, I have no idea :) zombies? just a joke | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other news/updates? | 18:10 |
| elmiko | tmckay: we know what you were thinking... ;) | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara-dashboard @ horizon status (croberts) | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-juno-post-merge-changes | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'd like to keep this topic to be in track with our dashboard part ;) | 18:11 |
| crobertsrh | Good idea | 18:11 |
| crobertsrh | Hopefully, the cosmetic issues will be fixed soon | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I have an issue with internet connection | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | how many patches are not landed yet? | 18:11 |
| crobertsrh | I have 4 patches that are outstanding, plus I think alazarev has one or two | 18:12 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | there is a new bug report for dashboard https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1349807 | 18:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1349807 in sahara "[UI] Failed to copy cluster template" [Undecided,New] | 18:12 |
| NikitaKonovalov | probably need a fix to both horizon and s-d | 18:12 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | looks like it affects stable/icehouce also | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info sahara@horizon status is green | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Juno 3 (Sep 4) | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 18:14 |
| alazarev | are we going to keep dashborad for juno? | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info j3 is FF and SF | 18:15 |
| crobertsrh | I should note that the horizon people appear to be bringing their feature freeze date up a bit. | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, nope, I don't see any issues | 18:15 |
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| crobertsrh | They are proposing a freeze in just a couple of weeks. The rationale is so that they have time to review everything. | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, I'll talk with David about their police | 18:15 |
| crobertsrh | Great | 18:15 |
| alazarev | police :) | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but AFAIK they are accepting changes for a bit more time than other projects | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | police -> policy | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #action SergeyLukjanov to talk with Horizon folks about features merge deadline | 18:16 |
| aignatov | dashboard police :) nice :) | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info sahara-specs is growing very well and that's cool | 18:17 |
| tmckay | job deletion semantics, and exposing job cancelation in the client and UI | 18:17 |
| tmckay | my pet issue ^^ | 18:17 |
| elmiko | do we have anything like a singleton pattern in Sahara? | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yeah, we should discuss it | 18:17 |
| tmckay | elmiko, I think there is one somewhere | 18:17 |
| elmiko | i'm still trying to figure out the best way to maintain this global information without commiting to the db | 18:18 |
| tmckay | Summary: I think delete should be "cancel if runnig then delete record from the db" and cancel is just cancel. Cancel is implemented, and available from REST, but not exposted otherwise | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, could you please explain the issue to make everyone understand | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, :) | 18:18 |
| tmckay | delete is just remove record from the db | 18:18 |
| tmckay | job executions, this is ^^ | 18:19 |
| alazarev | elmiko: new db engine had facade as singletone | 18:19 |
| tmckay | so, currently, you cannot stop an EDP job | 18:19 |
| tmckay | just erase the record for it -- it keeps running | 18:19 |
| tmckay | "cancel" is good because you can stop and relaunch | 18:19 |
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| aignatov | tmckay: agree, +2 :) | 18:20 |
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| tmckay | for ephemeral cluster, it doesn't matter so much | 18:20 |
| elmiko | tmckay: agree about splitting to cancel and delete | 18:20 |
| elmiko | alazarev: thanks, does that store to the db? | 18:20 |
| tmckay | so, to expose it, we need new client method (doesn't break anything, just addition), and a new UI button | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, +2 | 18:21 |
| aignatov | I thought we already have the same functionality and behaviour you are talking about | 18:21 |
| tmckay | and deletion semantics change to "attempt cancel, then delete". I think erasing a running job exec without cancel is silly -- it's running, you just can't see it | 18:21 |
| tmckay | aignatov, nope | 18:21 |
| tmckay | sad story | 18:21 |
| crobertsrh | +1, seems like the right thing to do | 18:21 |
| tmckay | oversight, I think | 18:21 |
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| tmckay | Okay, I'll finish the spec | 18:22 |
| alazarev | elmiko: no, it is for facade, just to create it once | 18:22 |
| elmiko | alazarev: ok, i'll have to investigate. that may work for what i want. | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, agreed | 18:22 |
| tmckay | #action tmckay finishes spec and blueprint for job execution cancel/delete semantics | 18:23 |
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| tmckay | oh, SergeyLukjanov | 18:24 |
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| tmckay | Paris | 18:24 |
| tmckay | live demo? | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | do we have anything more to discuss? | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, sure ;) | 18:24 |
| tmckay | I am afraid :) | 18:24 |
| tmckay | but the talk proposal says we'll do it | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, I think we could ask dmitryme to prepare it talk will be accepted | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, we could remove it from talk proposal if we'll be too scared | 18:25 |
| tmckay | okay. I am worried about trying again with Linux laptop, and connecting back to RH cluster | 18:25 |
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| tmckay | might not be fast enough | 18:25 |
| tmckay | and it might work better from a Mac :) | 18:25 |
| tmckay | maybe a Mac to a Mirantis cluster? | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, it defenetly works better from Mac ;) | 18:25 |
| * tmckay hangs head in shame | 18:26 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, dmitryme is Mac user too | 18:26 |
| crobertsrh | pretty lame tmckay | 18:26 |
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| tmckay | do you guys have infrastructure for a fast cluster near Paris? | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, definitely* | 18:26 |
| tosky | tmckay: ehm | 18:26 |
| tmckay | tosky, yes? | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, I think so, we have some hardware in Europe | 18:26 |
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| tosky | tmckay: I won't comment further :D | 18:26 |
| aignatov | our CI running in Czech | 18:27 |
| alazarev | we has lab in czech, it is pretty near | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, and we have a very performant MBP 15" that could run clusters and exec jobs | 18:27 |
| tmckay | tosky, I'll talk to you offline | 18:27 |
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| tmckay | okay, sounds good then. We should think about apps. Maybe a cool spark app | 18:27 |
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| aignatov | bigpet store in Spark?;) | 18:28 |
| tmckay | I should note for the record, the project broke in Atanta, it was not Linux's fault | 18:28 |
| elmiko | aignatov: it hasn't been rewritten for spark yet | 18:28 |
| tmckay | Up with Linux | 18:28 |
| tmckay | I can't help it if the projector was a Mac-lover | 18:29 |
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| tmckay | projector broke, that is | 18:29 |
| elmiko | it's an ops issue | 18:29 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yeah, it was a projector failure | 18:30 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, btw dmitryme is on PTO now, so, that's why I'm "sure" he'll prepare demo :) | 18:31 |
| elmiko | LOL | 18:31 |
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| tmckay | lol, great | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything else or 28 free mins? | 18:32 |
| crobertsrh | Nothing from me | 18:33 |
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| elmiko | please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110134/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110841/ | 18:33 |
| elmiko | thanks to those who have :) | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, thanks folks! | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 31 18:34:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-07-31-17.59.html | 18:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-07-31-17.59.txt | 18:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-07-31-17.59.log.html | 18:34 |
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