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samstav#startmeeting satori15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul 14 15:00:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is samstav. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'satori'15:00
samstavHi, welcome to the satori meeting15:01
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samstav#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori15:01
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samstavAnyone here for satori?15:05
walker_o/15:05
samstavCool.15:05
samstavI'll go ahead and get started with action items, a few of which we declared last week15:06
walker_I see zns in here, but not sure if he is active15:06
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samstav#topic action items15:06
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samstavSpeaking of zns, we can continue to carry this action item until he says otherwise15:07
samstav#action zns start ML discussion & blueprint for built-in python data plane discovery15:07
walker_haha15:07
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samstavwalker_ you had an item, for creating a blueprint regarding a configurable escalation prefix for running remote commands15:10
walker_Yes. We probably need to push that out to next week15:10
samstavok, sounds good15:10
samstavhere's the minutes from last week btw15:10
walker_I think there is still some work to be done around that15:10
samstav#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-07-07-15.01.html15:10
samstavok, cool. anything you'd like to discuss during this meeting?15:11
samstavI mean, do you want to have a short discussion about the escalation stuff during this meeting?15:11
walker_Yes, I think we should15:11
walker_Basically, there is no assurance that a system will have sudo access15:12
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walker_and it may still be desireable for people to login with an unprivileged account15:12
walker_so, there needs to be a way to tell Satori to use something other than 'sudo' to escalate privileges15:13
walker_What seems to work best is to allow the inclusion of root-password, that way Satori can login with an unpriviledged account and then use 'su' to assume the root account15:13
samstav#topic running escalated commands through satori15:14
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samstav#info walker_: Basically, there is no assurance that a system will have sudo access. and it may still be desireable for people to login with an unprivileged account. so, there needs to be a way to tell Satori to use something other than 'sudo' to escalate privileges. What seems to work best is to allow the inclusion of root-password, that way Satori can login with an unpriviledged account and then use 'su' to assume the root account15:14
walker_So, basically 'root-password' is optional and if given satori will use 'username' and 'password' to login, then use 'root-password' to escalate15:15
walker_sound about right?15:15
samstavthat sounds great for the SSH based class. n1ck-o isn't around to comment for the windows equivalent15:16
walker_good point, right now this is looking at Linux based hosts15:16
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samstavCool. I'll move us back to action items, and re-apply yours for creating a blueprint?15:17
walker_Yes please15:17
samstav#topic action items15:17
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samstav#action walker_ Create a blueprint for choosing the escalation prefix ("sudo" OR "su -" OR ?) when running commands in ssh.py15:18
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samstavSince n1ck-o isn't here, I'm going to push his action item forward as well15:18
samstav#action Address comments on submission 9838315:19
samstavthough, based on the patch sets I saw this week, it looks like he made som15:19
samstavsome good progress.15:19
samstavI had an action item regarding the failing unittests on 9838315:20
samstav#topic gates15:20
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samstavWhile I'm still uncertain about the root of the problem, I did track it down, and it pointed to the python-whois lib we use.15:22
samstavThis is regarding the unittests15:23
walker_Nice @samstav15:23
walker_er, minus the @15:23
samstavFixed our unit tests in test_dns.py for now, and submitted a patch upstream15:23
samstav#link https://github.com/joepie91/python-whois/pull/2915:24
samstavOne of my only guesses it that a new version was released, and the old version was removed from pypi15:24
samstavJust a guess.15:24
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samstav#link https://github.com/samstav/satori/commit/269da49c4a50572037ae84e3bfb8e7c3c97f32c6#diff-615:25
samstavI moved on from there to see why the pep8 and other gates were failing, again, not really getting to the root cause but still solved the problem.15:26
samstavMade some updates to our requirements file15:26
samstav#link https://github.com/samstav/satori/commit/269da49c4a50572037ae84e3bfb8e7c3c97f32c6#diff-915:26
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samstav( I'm linking to github instead of gerrit, I know. Sorry, but the interface is better. I promise that's exactly what's in my patch set. )15:27
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znsHi - I'm here, but might not contribute much yet as I'm trying to get up to speed. FYI15:27
samstavThe empty files fix was integrated into the 1.5.7 release of pep815:29
samstavhttps://pypi.python.org/pypi/pep8/1.5.715:29
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samstav👍15:30
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walker_yay!15:30
walker_that was annoying15:31
samstavI then rebased our fork of hacking on hacking's latest release15:31
samstavTo deal with the dependency VersionConflict15:31
samstavand tagged it @satori15:32
samstav#link https://github.com/samstav/hacking/tree/satori15:32
walker_oh good. I've been running into a lot of version conflict issues15:32
walker_thanks for doing that15:32
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samstavThat branch includes zns's commits15:32
samstav1. Detect egg-linked libraries as third-party15:32
samstav2. Better detection of stdlibs in virtualenvs15:33
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samstavWe will need to make those same changes for our other projects' requirements files.15:33
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samstavThose fixes/updates, and a few others are included in my submission which is intended to extend the windows-support submission15:35
samstav#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106134/15:35
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samstavThere is a python2.x/3.x related fix in utils.py in there, where I included a "universal" unicode() function15:36
samstavhttps://github.com/samstav/satori/commit/269da49c4a50572037ae84e3bfb8e7c3c97f32c6#diff-815:36
samstav#link https://github.com/samstav/satori/commit/269da49c4a50572037ae84e3bfb8e7c3c97f32c6#diff-815:36
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samstavYou will notice they have the same signatures15:37
samstavpython 2.x15:37
samstav#link https://docs.python.org/2/library/functions.html#unicode15:37
samstavpython 3.x15:37
samstav#link https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str15:37
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samstavThat extension also moves posh_ohai.py into its own file, as its own independent provider. There is an exception pattern which raises when an unsupported platform tries to use the wrong provider15:39
samstav#link https://github.com/samstav/satori/commit/269da49c4a50572037ae84e3bfb8e7c3c97f32c6#diff-515:39
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samstavAnd lastly, in the gates topic, there is only the beginnings of python 3 support in eventlet15:40
samstav#link https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/issues/615:40
samstavThis is the only thing keeping submission 106134 from passing all gates15:41
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samstav#info submission 106134 depends_on/includes submission 9838315:42
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samstav#action zns, samstav, n1ck-o talk_about/research either 1) ditching eventlet, 2) finding an alternative greenthread lib w/ python 3 support, 3) remove python3 gate 4) use python native threading support15:44
samstav#topic action items15:45
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samstavI had one more item which was to create a blueprint for removing the subprocess calls from pse.py (renamed to smb.py)15:46
samstavIt is minimal and I will expand it some15:47
samstav#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/no-subprocess15:47
samstavSo that's done.15:47
samstav#topic général discussion15:47
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samstavThat's about it, unless anyone would like to discuss anything else?15:48
walker_thanks samstav, nothing more from me15:49
samstavcool. Thanks for your attendance. See y'all next week15:50
samstav#endmeeting15:50
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znsthanks, samstav. Nothing more from me also. Reading up on many of these links... looks like a lot of hard work happening.15:51
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zehicle_at_work#startmeeting refstack17:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul 14 17:02:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zehicle_at_work. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:02
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zehicle_at_worko/17:02
zehicle_at_workRoll Call time!17:02
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zehicle_at_workshort meeting today > davidlenwell is w/ the Tempest team doing a mid-cycle meeting17:04
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zehicle_at_workagenda: notes from F2F last week, progress on stories, Defcore JSON update/needs17:05
zehicle_at_workbut, first.... need some other refstack people on....17:05
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zehicle_at_worklacking attendees.... this meeting will adjurn in 2 minutes17:14
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zehicle_at_work#endmeeting17:16
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redrobot#startmeeting barbican19:59
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul 14 19:59:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:59
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redrobot#topic Roll Call20:00
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redrobothi everyone,20:00
rellerrellerhello20:00
redrobotcan I get a show of hands for the Barbican weekly meeting?20:00
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redrobotI see a few more people who are probably here for barbican...  paul_glass I'm looking at you.20:01
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redrobotas usual the meeting agenda is available here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican20:02
hockeynu_o/20:03
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redrobotOk, cool, looks like there's plenty of us here.20:04
redrobot#topic barbican-core nominations20:04
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redrobotFirst up in the agenda, in case you missed it, I nominated Ade Lee and Nate Reller ( rellerreller ) for barbican-cre20:05
redrobot*barbican-core20:05
redrobotI checked this morning and they've both gotten 6x +1 votes from the rest of the team20:05
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redrobotsince there were no negative votes, and we're on day 5 I think we're good to add them to the team20:06
atiwariredrobot, great nomination +1 from me too20:06
redrobotwhich I will do shortly20:06
redrobot#action redrobot will add alee and rellerreller to barbican-core20:06
redrobotwith great power comes great responsibility, so please be sure to take time to review patches as they come in :)20:07
hockeynu_congrats 2 u both20:07
rellerrellerThank you! :)20:07
atiwarirellerreller, alee congratulations20:07
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bubbvao/20:07
redrobotbubbva yes?20:07
bubbvayes, late, but here :-)20:07
redrobotbubbva oh, ok. :)  I thought you had a question20:08
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redrobotok, moving on to the next topic20:08
redrobot#topic Better planning for large patches20:08
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redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10343120:08
redrobotI think that in general we do want to strive for smaller patches20:09
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* jvrbanac agrees!20:09
redrobotFor this change in particular, the tradeoff was to either do one large patch, or small patches that would break HEAD20:10
atiwariredrobot, yes that topic was added by me and I appreciate if we make better planning for such changes20:10
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atiwariseems we did hurry on this one20:10
redrobotatiwari what do you mean by better planning?20:10
redrobotI think we did a good job of planning for the refactor during the Atlanta summit20:10
atiwarismaller change20:10
hockeynu_maybe as part of a bp we could add a section for "phase-in" where we discuss how to break up implementation into smaller units20:10
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atiwariredrobot, in deed you guys did good job20:11
atiwari:)20:11
atiwarihockeynu_, +120:11
redrobotatiwari I just want to make sure we address your concern, if you think that planning was not adequate.20:11
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atiwariyes, we should have plan for smaller change20:12
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redrobotatiwari ok, so your concern is just smaller changes in general?20:12
atiwaridue to this one I think I need to start CR 87405 almost from scratch20:12
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atiwariredrobot, and better understanding for the change20:13
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redrobotatiwari yeah, this was a major change.   I'm hopeful that the number of fundamental framework changes will be minimal.20:13
atiwariseems with this one Secret store BP is not well documented and seems it is implemented in this CR20:13
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redrobotI think this change pre-dates the specs repo20:14
redrobotI think that moving forward we'll have less issues with big changes like this thanks to the specs repo20:14
atiwariredrobot, there was not enough time give to review this change. Seems there was some hurry20:15
atiwarijust mu opinion20:15
atiwarimy20:15
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redrobotJune 29 - July 8 is when the patch was in review... do you think that was not enough time?20:16
atiwariit wd be great if we make smaller change, specially if that change is affecting everyone20:16
atiwaribased on the size, I think not20:17
atiwarianyway lets not worry about this20:17
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redrobotActually, we did have a SPEC for this20:17
redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98286/20:18
redrobotJune 5 is when the SPEC was first proposed20:18
atiwarithis core reorg spec20:18
atiwariI think for secret store there is no detailed specs20:19
atiwarihope I am not missing something20:19
redrobotatiwari SecretStore is part of the spec I linked above20:19
redrobotatiwari but I do agree we need better documentation around that20:20
redrobotI have it on my TODO list to write a detailed guide for using SecretStore plugins, so stay tuned :)20:20
atiwariredrobot, thanks20:20
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redrobotany more questions/comments about CR sizes?20:21
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redrobot#agreed we want to strive for smaller patch sets, especially when they affect a lot of concurrent work20:21
atiwariredrobot, I wd prefer smaller change targeting to just one BP20:22
redrobotatiwari I think this change did target just the one BP20:22
atiwariredrobot, OK20:22
redrobotok then, moving on20:23
redrobot#topic python-barbicanclient release schedule20:23
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rellerrellerI added this one20:23
rellerrellerWe are creating a Barbican plugin in Nova to retrieve the keys for disk encryption from Barbican20:23
rellerrellerWe put in CR to add python-barbicanclient to global requirements, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106411/20:24
rellerreller+1 ^ would help :)20:24
rellerrellerOur issue is that requirements pull the latest release of python-barbicanclient, and the latest release has a bug in it. The log for error is here, http://logs.openstack.org/01/104001/4/check/gate-nova-pep8/fdeaf4d/console.html.gz20:24
rellerrellerThe latest code in master does not have the error but has not been released. We need a new release to finish our integration.20:24
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rellerrellerSo the question is when is the next release?20:25
redrobotYeah...  the client needs a lot of TLC.20:25
redrobotSo we do have a lot of work in the pipeline for the client... but I think a lot of it is going to require a  3.x.x release20:25
rellerrellerDo you think there can be another release before code freeze? If not then our unit tests will not pass, and we will not be able to integrate with Nova.20:25
jraimthe clients aren't released on the same schedule20:26
jraimwe can release it anytime we want20:26
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redrobotI'm ok with releasing a new 2.x, but keep in mind there may be some breaking changes for 3.x20:26
rellerrellerA new release would help us at least get something into Nova20:26
rellerrellerWe should not need much functionality, probably just create and retrieve key and delete20:27
redrobotdoes anyone have any issues with releasing a new 2.x barbicanclient ahead of the Keystone sessions refactor?20:27
jraimI'm okay with it20:27
atiwariredrobot, tsv is pushing a change for tenant_id removal from api20:28
atiwariwhich is on review, once that will be merged we have to immediately release one20:28
atiwariwondering if it is good to wait for that cr?20:29
redrobotatiwari I don't think we need to release clients immediately after merge, but it would be good to release alongside milestones20:29
atiwariok20:29
redrobotatiwari would you be ok with a release now to unblock rellerreller and then another release once tsv's work is merged and released on a milestone?20:29
atiwariredrobot, yes20:30
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redrobotok, let's plan for that then.20:30
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redrobot#action redrobot will make a new barbicanclient 2.x release20:30
rellerrellerExcellent!20:30
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redrobotrellerreller does current HEAD work for you?20:31
rellerrellerblpoulos, can you answer that?20:31
blpoulosyes, it does20:31
redrobotok, good, I'll try to get that released today.20:32
blpouloswonderful, thank you20:32
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redrobotok, guys that's it for our agenda today.  Does anyone have any other issues/questions they'd like to bring up right now?20:33
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atiwariyes I have some basic question regarding secret store plugin20:34
redrobot#topic SecretStore20:34
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redrobotatiwari go ahead20:34
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atiwariok20:34
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atiwariI have to store my secret in Barbican system, same way it is stored with crypto plugin20:35
atiwariI am suppose to write separate secret store plugin ?20:35
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atiwarilike StoreCryptoAdapterPlugin?20:35
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redrobotatiwari not necessarily, unless StoreCryptoAdapterPlugin does not work for you20:36
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redrobotthe idea is that StoreCryptoAdapterPlugin is a generic way to store secrets in the Barbican db20:37
atiwarias I mentioned I have a req to store one (or more) master KEK in HSM to encrypt the KEK20:37
redrobotthat implementation of SecretStore uses a CryptoPlugin.  so it's a sort of plugin-within-plugin20:37
atiwariyes20:38
redrobotwe at Rackspace are planning on using a CryptoPlugin that talks to an HSM via PKCS11... reaperhulk is currently exploring tiered keys to deal with the HSM storage limit, but I'm not sure what his progress is20:38
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atiwariok20:39
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redrobotit sounds to me like your use case is similar to ours20:39
atiwariI think so20:39
redrobotbut if the PKCS11 plugin we're using does not work with the HSM you may need to write your own CryptoPlugin20:40
atiwarisure20:40
atiwariredrobot, jraim  another question around CryptoPlugin20:40
redrobotbut it sounds like you may be able to reuse the StoreCryptoAdapterPlugin20:40
atiwariStoreCryptoAdapterPlugin >> MyNewPlugin ?20:41
redrobotI'm not sure I undestand the question?  >> ?20:41
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atiwari20:42
atiwarisorry20:42
atiwariI will write my new CryptoPlugin (MyNewPlugin) which will be called from StoreCryptoAdapterPlugin20:42
atiwaricorrect20:42
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redrobotyes, that may be a good approach for you if StoreCryptoAdapterPlugin does work for your storage needs.20:43
atiwariok20:43
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redrobotany more questions/comments about this or any other topic?20:44
atiwariredrobot, one last from me :)20:45
redrobotok20:45
atiwarimay I ask what is holding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104599/?20:45
redrobotatiwari looks like it's just a case of the Mondays...  I know the team here has been in meetings all day.20:46
atiwarinp20:47
atiwariI was blocked due to this one. that is why raised20:47
redrobotok, I'll see if I can poke some people to go look at it20:47
atiwarithanks20:48
redrobotok guys, looks like we may be able to call it a day a bit early today20:49
redrobotsee y'all back here next week.20:50
redrobot#endmeeting20:50
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