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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 24 13:00:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
| baoli | Hi there | 13:00 |
| rpothier | hi | 13:01 |
| beagles | o/ | 13:02 |
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| baoli | waiting for other folks to join. | 13:08 |
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| baoli | looks like that we don't have a good attendance for today. But anything you'd like to discuss? | 13:12 |
| beagles | baoli: how's progress on the patches? | 13:12 |
| baoli | it's trudging along. I'm trying to fix the last set of unit test failures. | 13:13 |
| baoli | I am now cutting it down to about 50 failures | 13:13 |
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| baoli | mainly it's due to the change in the pci device table | 13:14 |
| rpothier | need some reviewers on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99043/ | 13:14 |
| beagles | I suppose it's a rather pervasive change. | 13:14 |
| baoli | yea, change of a db table would cause that | 13:14 |
| * beagles nods | 13:14 | |
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| baoli | I also found some issues in the generic PCI passthrough, so I'd like to discuss that with Yongli and yjiang5 | 13:15 |
| beagles | rpothier: I'll have a look and maybe add some other folks to review if you don't mind | 13:15 |
| beagles | baoli: ack | 13:15 |
| rpothier | thanks | 13:16 |
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| beagles | baoli: let me know if there is anything I can do to help | 13:16 |
| baoli | I'm hoping to submit the remaining patches soon. But we do need reviewers for the patches that has already been submitted. | 13:17 |
| * beagles nods... | 13:18 | |
| beagles | I'm focusing on reviews today as much as possible, these two are at the top of the queue... | 13:18 |
| beagles | I'll shop them out to others as well for specific areas of expertise | 13:18 |
| baoli | beagles, that's much appreciated | 13:18 |
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| baoli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81954/ needs core reviewers. I've asked from the mailing list, but no response so far. I guess that they are pretty busy with other things | 13:19 |
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| baoli | anything else to discuss? | 13:22 |
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| baoli | ok, thanks everyone. | 13:24 |
| beagles | so quiet :) | 13:24 |
| beagles | maybe more next week | 13:24 |
| baoli | next week, I'm not sure I'm going to be around. But I'll make sure to send an email to the mailing list before I go. | 13:25 |
| beagles | cool | 13:25 |
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| baoli | #endmeeting | 13:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:27 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 24 13:27:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-06-24-13.00.html | 13:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-06-24-13.00.txt | 13:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-06-24-13.00.log.html | 13:27 |
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| tbarron | buffer 2 | 13:38 |
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| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 24 15:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:00 |
| kgriffs | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:00 | |
| kgriffs | \o/ | 15:00 |
| alcabrera | o/ | 15:00 |
| malini1 | o/ | 15:00 |
| sriram | \o | 15:00 |
| kgriffs | look at all these slackers. ;) | 15:01 |
| malini1 | :D | 15:01 |
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| kgriffs | I suppose flaper87 is busy getting spoiled at MongoDB World | 15:01 |
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| malini1 | hellp prashanthr_! | 15:01 |
| malini1 | hello* | 15:01 |
| prashanthr_ | HI malini1:) | 15:01 |
| prashanthr_ | Hi all :) | 15:01 |
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| kgriffs | vkmc: here? | 15:02 |
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| kgriffs | quick, let's make a bunch of decisions while nobody is looking. mooohaha | 15:02 |
| malini1 | I remember flaper87|afk agreeing to do all of j-2 work | 15:02 |
| kgriffs | perfect | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | #topic review actions from last time | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review actions from last time (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:03 | |
| kgriffs | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-06-17-15.05.html | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | OK, I will forward flaper87's actions to next week. | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | #action flaper87 to do the plumbing for spec | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | #action flaper87 talk to flwang and find a meeting time that works for him | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | #action kgriffs announc the new meeting times in the mailing-list | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | kgriffs to write a wiki page with possible review comment tags | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Reviewer_Guide_(Marconi) | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | done | 15:04 |
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| kgriffs | this is just a start, of course; we'll need to experiment and tweak as we go | 15:04 |
| sriram | looks good :) | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | #info review guide created and linked from home page | 15:05 |
| vkmc | o/ here! | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | ok, so I'd love it if everyone good take a look, start trying some prefixes, and then we can discuss how it's going in a couple weeks | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | #info kgriffs is going to be on holiday next week | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | #info flaper87 will be chairing next week's meeting | 15:07 |
| malini1 | ok | 15:07 |
| kgriffs | cool beans, thanks! | 15:07 |
| kgriffs | next | 15:07 |
| kgriffs | malini1 and vkmc to experiment with tools/bots for improving review velocity | 15:07 |
| malini1 | cpallares found a page which will get us the review stats easily for all patches | 15:08 |
| vkmc | ^^ | 15:08 |
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| malini1 | #link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ | 15:08 |
| malini1 | See marconi branch reviews | 15:08 |
| malini1 | Our plan is to somehow use these, if reviews continue to be bottleneck | 15:09 |
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| malini1 | For now, we have not done anything much | 15:09 |
| sriram | looks like the scores are weighted, so its already prioritized. | 15:10 |
| malini1 | yes | 15:10 |
| malini1 | vkmc: did I miss anything? | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | do you know how the score is calculated? | 15:11 |
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| vkmc | yes yes... it's a sum of the kind of patch (bug, bp) and how much has been in the queue | 15:11 |
| vkmc | malini1, you didn't :) | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | so, older ones get higher scores? | 15:11 |
| sriram | yes | 15:11 |
| vkmc | yes kgriffs | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | this could be handy: | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | #link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/reviewday.json | 15:12 |
| vkmc | if you hover over the score you can see the values for the patch set | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | #info reviewday score is based on kind of patch + age | 15:13 |
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| kgriffs | so.... | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | I think reviews are still not getting done as timely as they could be | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | I have some thoughts about that but I'll save them for open discussion | 15:14 |
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| kgriffs | malini to make a list of work items for the rename and ask infra what things we need to include outside of code changes | 15:14 |
| malini1 | sounds good | 15:14 |
| malini1 | can we move that over to next week? | 15:14 |
| malini1 | :-$ | 15:15 |
| malini1 | kgriffs: ? | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | yeah | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | #action malini to make a list of work items for the rename and ask infra what things we need to include outside of code changes | 15:17 |
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| kgriffs | #topic Updates on blueprints | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates on blueprints (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:18 | |
| kgriffs | #link https://launchpad.net/marconi/+milestone/juno-2 | 15:18 |
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| kgriffs | malini: tempest integration | 15:19 |
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| malini1 | kgriffs: The last patch to cover positive tests for all APIs is out for review | 15:19 |
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| malini1 | It has a +2 from one core reviewer as of today | 15:19 |
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| kgriffs | go go go! | 15:20 |
| malini1 | I'll ping somebody if I don't get another one by EOD today | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | sounds good. nice work! | 15:20 |
| malini1 | thanks kgriffs :) | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | skipping rename project since we just touched on that in actions | 15:21 |
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| kgriffs | API V1.1 - Treat a Missing Queue the Same as an Empty Queue | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | need someone to take this | 15:21 |
| sriram | I can take it up. | 15:21 |
| sriram | what does it entail though? | 15:21 |
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| sriram | I thought lazy queues already did that? | 15:22 |
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| kgriffs | maybe. I guess just make sure that we have all operations covered | 15:23 |
| sriram | ok | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | next | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | kgriffs: homedoc changes | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | I'm waiting until everything has landed, then I was going to do a final sweep to make sure the homedoc is correct | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | let me change the status to "blocked" | 15:24 |
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| malini1 | I think abettadapur also has an outsatnding patch for this? | 15:25 |
| malini1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96159/ | 15:25 |
| malini1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96159/ | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | yeah, that rings a bell | 15:25 |
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| kgriffs | Let me add that patch to the whiteboard | 15:26 |
| kgriffs | nevermind - it's already there. :p | 15:27 |
| malini1 | :) | 15:27 |
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| kgriffs | next | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | API v1.1 - Remove the endpoint to check if a queue exists | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | need someone to take this | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/api-v1.1-remove-check-queue-existence | 15:27 |
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| malini1 | I can | 15:28 |
| malini1 | removing is always easy :-P | 15:28 |
| sriram | ha | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | ok - can you just assign yourself there? | 15:28 |
| malini1 | done | 15:29 |
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| kgriffs | thanks! | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | next | 15:29 |
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| kgriffs | API v1.1 - Functional Tests | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | I'm thinking push this to j-3 since it depends on having everything implemented | 15:29 |
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| kgriffs | thoughts? | 15:29 |
| malini1 | abettadapur has a patch outstanding for this | 15:29 |
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| sriram | yes | 15:30 |
| malini1 | if we can get tht reviewed & merged, it'll help us add tests as we add features | 15:30 |
| kgriffs | i have to admit, I haven't looked at it yet... | 15:30 |
| abettadapur | :D. it splits up the tests with new baseclasses | 15:31 |
| abettadapur | similar to the work i did with the unit tests | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | oic | 15:31 |
| malini1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93295/ | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | ok, so this is laying the ground work | 15:31 |
| abettadapur | basically | 15:31 |
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| kgriffs | abettadapur: cool. I went ahead and assigned you to it and moved this bp to complete in j-3, although we will continue working on it during j-2 | 15:33 |
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| kgriffs | let's see... flwang is probably still sleeping right now | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | He has API v1.1 Request Document Changes and the related one | 15:34 |
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| kgriffs | I may ask to see if he wants to free up one of those if he isn't going to have enough bandwidth to work on it for j-2 | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | Is Dave in teh house? | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | anybody know what's going on with msgpack? | 15:36 |
| malini1 | not me :( | 15:36 |
| sriram | nope | 15:36 |
| vkmc | peoplemerge working on it, right? | 15:36 |
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| kgriffs | peoplemerge: ping | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: yep, that's Dave Thomas | 15:37 |
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| kgriffs | iirc | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: oh, we were just talking about how you must be off getting spoiled by MongoDB Inc. | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | hahahhahahaha | 15:38 |
| vkmc | oh cool :) | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | next | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | prashanthr_: Redis Storage Driver (Basic) | 15:38 |
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| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: Hi. I have got the driver working completely for API's v1.0 and v1.1 on my private branch | 15:39 |
| prashanthr_ | Now the review for the code has begun :) | 15:40 |
| prashanthr_ | doing it controller by controller. | 15:40 |
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| kgriffs | cool! | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | prashanthr_: aewsome | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | How soon do you think we will be able to try it? I'd like to benchmark it. | 15:41 |
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| prashanthr_ | I think within a week we must be able to get it all up. | 15:42 |
| prashanthr_ | The queue and message controllers have been reviewed. | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | prashanthr_: did you create it as an external driver? | 15:42 |
| sriram | prashanthr_: are they in a separate repo? | 15:42 |
| * flaper87 1, sriram 0 | 15:42 | |
| prashanthr_ | Yeah i did the initial coding in a seperate repo | 15:42 |
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| flaper87 | prashanthr_: awesome | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | it would be neat if the driver were a standalone package and you could just pip install it, then let stevedore do it's magic and find it | 15:44 |
| sriram | cool! | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I think that's what he did | 15:44 |
| prashanthr_ | Here is the private repo: https://github.com/PrashanthRaghu/marconi-redis/ | 15:45 |
| kgriffs | mmm, looks like a fork openstack/marconi | 15:45 |
| prashanthr_ | yes it's a fork of marconi. | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | oh, mmh. well, if it's going into the code base, I guess it kinda makes sense. Although, I agree with Kurt | 15:46 |
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| kgriffs | we'll have to discuss this another time, but we need to think about our driver strategy | 15:46 |
| kgriffs | they can live in three places | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | first, in openstack/marconi | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I mentioned in the channel earlier today that I'd love to have a driver-less marconi repo | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | second, create a new project called openstack/marconi-drivers | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | move everything outside marconi | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | so that people can choose what they want to install | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | third, they could just be fully third-party on github | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: each driver would need its own repo | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | oic | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | and that's fine with openstack's repo policies, AFAICT | 15:47 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: The second idea looks nice. | 15:48 |
| malini1 | tht wud be a lot of repos :( | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | FWIW, we'll create repos for the drivers we *want* to maintain | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | other drivers that are not going to be maintained by the core team can live outside | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | i think we will have a few official ones and then 3rd-parties are always welcome to do their own things outside the openstack GH org | 15:48 |
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| flaper87 | :P | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | dang | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | I need to adjust my temporal distortion field generator | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | LOOOOL | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | that's quite a name | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | TDFG | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | good topic for a "Internet of Things" talk | 15:49 |
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| kgriffs | that would be one heck of a demo | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | ok, nice work prashanthr_! | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | looking forward to taking it for a spin. :D | 15:50 |
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| flaper87 | indeed, nice work, prashanthr_ | 15:50 |
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| kgriffs | next | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | Support Py3K | 15:50 |
| prashanthr_ | thank you kgriffs and flaper87 :). | 15:50 |
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| kgriffs | re py3k, did that last patch get merged? | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | AAzza: ? | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | ^ | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | looks like it did | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | I think it did | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | I don't see it | 15:51 |
| sriram | I think so, py3k gate is passing :D | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | FYI, this is happening: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101709/ | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | OH MY HECK! | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | so cool | 15:52 |
| flaper87 | pls, +1 | 15:52 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | how many other projects are passing right now? | 15:52 |
| flaper87 | py3k ? | 15:52 |
| flaper87 | Some oslo libraries for sure | 15:52 |
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| flaper87 | but I don't think any of the server projects are | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | moohaha | 15:53 |
| flaper87 | hahahhahahaha | 15:53 |
| flaper87 | ROFL | 15:53 |
| malini1 | great job AAzza!! | 15:53 |
| flaper87 | +! | 15:53 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 15:53 |
| AAzza | hey, it was not difficult) | 15:53 |
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| malini1 | AAzza: then everybody else wud have had it too ;) | 15:53 |
| flaper87 | AAzza: it's still a great job | 15:53 |
| vkmc | +1 AAzza :) | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | very tedious. really appreciate the work you did. :D | 15:54 |
| flaper87 | open discussion? | 15:54 |
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| flaper87 | :P | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | almost | 15:54 |
| flaper87 | IIRC we've 6mins left | 15:54 |
| flaper87 | unless I went to a 30 TZ | 15:54 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: iirc you were going to take this? | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | Migrate a Queue Between Pools | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/queue-migration | 15:55 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: correct, I still want to but before working on that we need to get flavors done | 15:55 |
| flaper87 | I should create a dependency on launchpad | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | ok. Mind assigning yourself? | 15:55 |
| * flaper87 does that right away | 15:55 | |
| kgriffs | last bp to check on: Basic Benchmarking | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | sriram: ^^^ | 15:55 |
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| sriram | yes here. | 15:56 |
| sriram | I incorporated changes wrt oslo config and made bench a console script | 15:56 |
| sriram | I'd like to get some more reviews. | 15:56 |
| sriram | But its starting to look good :) | 15:57 |
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| sriram | kgriffs: ^ | 15:57 |
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| flaper87 | sriram: kgriffs is there a chance we can split the benchmarking work? | 15:58 |
| * flaper87 hijacks the topic and jumps into open-discussion | 15:58 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:58 |
| kgriffs | heh | 15:58 |
| kgriffs | #topic open discussion | 15:58 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: what did you have in mind? | 15:58 |
| flaper87 | so, AAzza completed her work on py3k and I was talking with her about the benchmark tool and how bad we need it | 15:59 |
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| kgriffs | i think we can. let's discuss in the team channel | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | so, in order to make it easier for both AAzza and sriram to work on that, I was thinking if we could split that blueprint somehow | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | thanks | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | that's it | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | real quick before we wrap up | 15:59 |
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| sriram | I'm ok with it :) | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | I need everyone to go read this: | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | #link http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000022.html | 16:00 |
| malini1 | kgriffs: you are asking us to task switch ;) | 16:00 |
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| kgriffs | I was thinking if you are waiting on a code patch to merge, don't start a new one - first go do lots of reviews | 16:00 |
| * flaper87 pocketized it | 16:00 | |
| flaper87 | that's how it should be done | 16:01 |
| vkmc | I wanted to ask your opinions about dropping pylint... let me know in #marconi | 16:01 |
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| flaper87 | developers should have a small number of patches in the queue and review a whole bunch of them | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | let's help eachother focus more. if reviews take too long, then people have to multitask even more while they wait | 16:01 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: +1 | 16:01 |
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| kgriffs | vkmc: ok, let's discuss in breakout after this. | 16:02 |
| kgriffs | thanks everyone! | 16:02 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 24 16:02:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| vkmc | thanks! o/ | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-06-24-15.00.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-06-24-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-06-24-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 24 16:02:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:02 |
| apmelton | o. | 16:02 |
| apmelton | o/ | 16:02 |
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| thomasem | o/ | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Our Agenda | 16:02 |
| funzo | o/ | 16:02 |
| s1rp_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:02 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:02 |
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| thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 16:02 |
| apmelton | Andrew Melton | 16:03 |
| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | welcome everyone | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:04 | |
| adrian_otto | Any announcements from team members? | 16:04 |
| funzo | not from me | 16:05 |
| funzo | unless you want to go over anything from the nova-docker subteam | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:05 | |
| adrian_otto | (none) | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | funzo: please update us on activity within the nova-docker subteam | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Subteam Updates | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Subteam Updates (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:06 | |
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| funzo | ok, cool. we have volume-attaching/detaching working | 16:06 |
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| funzo | the pull request to add the docker API to support runtime updates is pretty controversial atm | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | !! sweet !! | 16:06 |
| openstack | adrian_otto: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks openstack | 16:06 |
| funzo | they don't really want dynamic updates to happen, which is necessary for nova volume-attach to work | 16:06 |
| funzo | so, I have an email out to solomon about reviewing the PR and trying to get the API in | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | can you explain what you mean when you refer to a dynamic update, and who "they" is? | 16:07 |
| funzo | it's sorta critial to enable openstack management of running instances | 16:07 |
| funzo | well they in particular started with one of the maintainers of docker | 16:07 |
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| funzo | so i'm attempting to open a dialog so that we can get the API in soon | 16:08 |
| funzo | also snapshots are working | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | API extensions for Nova, or for Docker? | 16:09 |
| julienvey | oops, late! | 16:09 |
| funzo | API extensions for docker | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | hi julienvey. Welcome. | 16:09 |
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| funzo | nova volume-attach expects to be able to attach a device to an instance | 16:09 |
| funzo | docker needs to then have an API to attach the storage device to the running container | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | ok, got it. | 16:10 |
| funzo | which we have commits to enable, but they aren't being accepted upstream atm | 16:10 |
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| funzo | so that's my update | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | I expect resistance about that | 16:10 |
| funzo | heh, I didn't. | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | there is a strong preference within the docker maintainers group to keep the api unchanged | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | so to the extent that the additions don't change existing behavior, there is a chance of acceptance | 16:11 |
| funzo | the pause/upause work we focused on a couple weeks ago was an API addition | 16:11 |
| funzo | that was accepted upstream | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | but if it requires changing something that already exists, then expect friction | 16:11 |
| funzo | it's a net new API | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | ok. | 16:12 |
| funzo | v/containers/{0}/devadd | 16:12 |
| funzo | v/containers/{0}/devrm | 16:12 |
| funzo | so...anyway, just wanted to keep you posted | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | there is also a philosophical concern with containers being immutable | 16:12 |
| funzo | that's really the rub | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | if they are ummutable, then they are truly portable | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | and if you allow them to mutate, then portability is reduced | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I think I understand the root of that discussion | 16:13 |
| funzo | they are allowing a docker run --device to attach a device at creation time | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | thanks funzo | 16:14 |
| funzo | that to me, is just as non-portable | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | funzo: have you already proposed that argument? | 16:14 |
| funzo | no, I haven't based my argument on that yet - just explaining the use case for openstack atm | 16:14 |
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| funzo | the comparative against --device is my ace in the hole | 16:15 |
| funzo | except --device isn't merged yet lol | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:15 |
| funzo | so waiting for them to merge it | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | other updates? | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Mid-Cycle Meetup for Containers | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | I should have taken an action item on this last week | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to send a poll to openstack-dev ML to select a date for the Mid-Cycle meetup | 16:16 |
| PaulCzar | sorry I’m late! | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar: welcome | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | sorry I have not circulated the poll yet. I have been out on ETO, and just arrived in Texas yesterday afternoon | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | last week we discussed some date constraints | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | sis anyone have any new input on selection of the meetup dates? | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | s/sis/did/ | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | also, I'm looking for nominations for individuals who should be considered must-attend | 16:18 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: where were we planning to hold the meet up again? | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | it would be great to have consensus about that | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: Y! | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | in California | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | but if there is another location that makes more sense, I'm willing to consider all options | 16:19 |
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| apmelton | was just wondering where, no other options from me | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | apmelton: what's your preference for location? | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like to make it easy for key stakeholders to attend | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | I know we have a few int he SF bay area | 16:20 |
| apmelton | no real preference, a red-eye every now and then isn't bad :) | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | where would you fly from? | 16:21 |
| funzo | adrian_otto: I'm not too far from there, so it's a short flight - I just need to have the budget discussion | 16:21 |
| apmelton | I'll be flying from Virginia | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | aah, yeah, that's a long way. | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so we'll carry this on on the ML. Let me know by PM if there are particular individuals you want me to consider as must-attend | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Host Agent Discussion | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | we did not get much time last week to cover this topic in meaningful detail | 16:22 |
| apmelton | so, how is host agent any different than just running compute on the host? | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | this concept surfaced during prior discussions | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: good question. openstack-nova is a host agent already | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | so the first question we might ask is if we should use that for containers as well as VM's, or do we need yet another host agent focused on containers | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | we should consider that a variety of container technologies should fit into this host agent solution. | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | so that if someone prefers to use OpenVZ rather than LXC/Docker that we have a consistent user experience where the technologies have functional equivalencies. | 16:26 |
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| apmelton | if we go the separate host agent route, it would be nice if it works for all techs | 16:26 |
| apmelton | without needing a bunch of different drivers | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | yes, nobody has argued to the contrary | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | if we use virt dirvers to accomplish it, then there is a lot of fooling around with arranging/loading/configuring various virt drivers | 16:27 |
| PaulCzar | as long as we don’t have to support them all to the lowest common denominator ( as in drop features from docker so we have exactly same experience with openvz ) | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | in the past, it was argued that perhaps libvirt might be a level playing field for this… | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | but that the libvirt API was conceptually VM centric | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | and would not support the complimentary features offered by containers. One example is the setting of shell environment variables to be present at the time the container is started | 16:28 |
| PaulCzar | isn’t libcontainer the thing that docker is trying to get people to adopt as a common language for talking to container techs ? | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar: Yes, that's my understanding. | 16:29 |
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| apmelton | s1rp_: when we talked with danpb in atlanta, do you remember how he felt about more container/process stuff in libvirt | 16:29 |
| PaulCzar | so in theory we could use dockerclient as our hostagent … and allow other container techs to plug in via libcontainer | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | libswarm might also fit there. | 16:30 |
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| julienvey | libswarm is about orchestration right ? | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: partly. Let me try to characterize it | 16:31 |
| PaulCzar | libswarm would give us scheduling in some form | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | it's a piece of middleware that fits between the docker client and the API that runs on a particular host | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | and it gives you a combined view of containers that have been started on numerous backend hosts | 16:31 |
| PaulCzar | interesting thing about using libswarm is that people would then be free to choose their own host tooling … CoreOS+Fleet or Mesos | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | each backend runs the docker API, and SSH tunnels are used to control those from wherever the Swarmd server runs | 16:32 |
| julienvey | ok, thank you adrian_otto | 16:32 |
| PaulCzar | so it might look similar to the vmware driver where it’s an aggregation of other hosts | 16:32 |
| s1rp_ | apmelton: i think danpb was amendable to the changes we were suggesting like passing in environment variables, etc... | 16:32 |
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| marcoemorais | PaulCzar: going back to libcontainer, how is that different from libct https://github.com/xemul/libct | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | s1rp_: as Nova extensions? | 16:33 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: nova extensions and the required libvirt changes | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: oh, interesting! | 16:34 |
| s1rp_ | adrian_otto: yeah i don't know if he expessed an opinion on the nova piece, but he seemed okay with making libvirt handle more process-like use-cases | 16:34 |
| PaulCzar | marcoemorais: libcontainer is Golang and docker uses it to talk to linux kernel to set up cgroups/namespaces with the idea that you could write support for say FreeBSD jails into libcotainer … and then docker would deploy those instead of linux ones | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so if we view libvirt as something we can adapt for containers use cases, then it might be a suitable choice for the host agent | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | then we would just need to decide what should drive that... | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | nova-compute | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | or perhaps something else | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | seems to me that we could afford to make an etherpad for this one, and collect ideas like we did for the previous discussion about cinder support | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | do you want to do that now? | 16:38 |
| apmelton | we can definitely get started | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | ok, stand by one moment | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/containers-plugin-arch | 16:39 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, looking good so far | 16:42 |
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| apmelton | I need some clarification on this | 16:43 |
| apmelton | would the user of (libvirt/libcontainer/libswarm) replace nova-docker? | 16:44 |
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| apmelton | and nova-libvirt-lxc | 16:44 |
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| apmelton | and they'd basically become a single driver with different virt_types supplied to libvirt/libcontier/libswarm | 16:45 |
| marcoemorais | apmelton: how is http://libvirt.org/drvlxc.html a large paradigm shift for nova-compute -> libvirt ? | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: ideally we could shrink nova-docker down, yes | 16:46 |
| apmelton | the idea of interacting with processes inside of a container is a paradigm shift for the libvirt library itself | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | that way the Nova team is in less of a position to pick favorites with respect to container tech | 16:46 |
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| apmelton | maybe not a large paradigm shift, but still it's definitely not something you do with VMs | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | and we just let users and operators decide what they want to use/support | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | most of the container types will have a large area of overlap for their APIs | 16:47 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I think that's a good start | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | feel free to continue in the etherpad as we think about new options, and begin to get clarity on the ones we identified | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, any other topics to cover today? | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | Our next meeting will be 2200 UTC on 2014-07-01 | 16:55 |
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| apmelton | I will be on ETO next week | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: enjoy your time away! | 16:56 |
| apmelton | thanks adrian_otto! | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | anyone else lurking who would like to be recorded in attendance today? | 16:56 |
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| Slower | me | 16:56 |
| Slower | :) | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | thanks Slower | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, we'll end now. Thanks everyone for attending today. I thought this was a really valuable discussion. | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:57 | |
| apmelton | o/ | 16:57 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 24 16:57:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-06-24-16.02.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-06-24-16.02.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-06-24-16.02.log.html | 16:57 |
| s1rp_ | later all! | 16:57 |
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| Slower | cya guys | 16:57 |
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| ruhe | #startmeeting murano | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 24 17:03:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:03 | |
| ativelkov | o/ | 17:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:03 |
| tsufiev | hi there | 17:03 |
| katyafervent | o/ | 17:03 |
| ruhe | ativelkov, sergmelikyan: i see you were sitting on the edge of the chair waiting for the meeting to start :) | 17:03 |
| iyozhikov | o/ | 17:03 |
| sjmc7 | hi | 17:04 |
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| ankurrr | hello | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | :) | 17:04 |
| dteselkin_ | Hi | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | hi everyone! | 17:04 |
| akuznetsova_ | Hi | 17:04 |
| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:04 |
| ativelkov | ruhe: that's called just-in-time driving ) | 17:04 |
| ruhe | #topic action items review | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items review (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:04 | |
| ruhe | katyafervent to investigate how unit testing is done in Django (and perhaps use that approach for muranodashboard unit testing); consult with drupalmonkey if needed | 17:04 |
| katyafervent | Hi guys | 17:05 |
| ruhe | and according to discussion we had yesterday with sjmc7 investigation already started | 17:05 |
| stanlagun | hi | 17:05 |
| katyafervent | there are a lot of tools to test Django applications | 17:05 |
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| sjmc7 | ruhe - the openstack_dashboard helpers give a lot of functionality | 17:06 |
| sjmc7 | i don't think we should reinvent the wheel | 17:06 |
| drupalmonkey | @ruhe @katyafervent yes, i'm about to commit some test code for muranodashboard that sjmc7 and i worked on | 17:06 |
| katyafervent | such as https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.7/topics/testing/tools/ and http://effectivedjango.com/forms.html | 17:06 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: agree | 17:06 |
| ruhe | katyafervent: seems like drupalmonkey outperformed you here ;) | 17:07 |
| katyafervent | we just need to create a test plan or smth like that to define what areas should be tested | 17:07 |
| drupalmonkey | test ALL the things! | 17:07 |
| tsufiev | drupalmonkey, should we split muranodashboard into 2 parts, as horizon :)? | 17:07 |
| ruhe | ok. drupalmonkey it would be nice a have a blueprint with a brief description of your plan | 17:08 |
| sjmc7 | we're not planning to write exhaustive tests for existing functionality - this was just to make a start | 17:08 |
| katyafervent | we should cover views, forms and probably templates | 17:09 |
| katyafervent | Does anybody have something to add on that topic? | 17:09 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: ok. if it's just a start | 17:10 |
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| igormarnat | ruhe: there was a nice plan - test ALL:) | 17:10 |
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| sjmc7 | retroactively writing tests is not usually very helpful; it makes more sense to add them as new code is written | 17:10 |
| sjmc7 | i want to get some examples in place | 17:10 |
| sjmc7 | to make that easier | 17:10 |
| ruhe | sjmc7, drupalmonkey: thanks for starting this! | 17:10 |
| ruhe | next AI: akuznetsova_ create a document explaining how to run, debug and fix selenium tests | 17:11 |
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| ruhe | akuznetsova_: ping | 17:11 |
| akuznetsova_ | Yes | 17:11 |
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| ruhe | akuznetsova_: did you create that document? | 17:11 |
| akuznetsova_ | I did, I update articles in wiki | 17:12 |
| sergmelikyan | can you share the link? | 17:12 |
| ruhe | akuznetsova_: will you port this document to developer documentation? | 17:12 |
| akuznetsova_ | Not yet | 17:12 |
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| ruhe | akuznetsova_: can you share link to the document? | 17:13 |
| akuznetsova_ | where it has to be? In murano.readthedocs? | 17:13 |
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| ruhe | yes. you'll need to send a patch to stackforge/murano. we keep developer docs here http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/murano/tree/doc/source | 17:14 |
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| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/TestsDocumentation | 17:15 |
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| akuznetsova_ | Yes, that' s it | 17:16 |
| ruhe | that's where documentation for running selenium tests is published for now ^^ | 17:16 |
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| ruhe | #action port instructions to run selenium tests to murano developer docs | 17:16 |
| ruhe | let's move to the next topic | 17:16 |
| ruhe | #topic state of "improve testing" | 17:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "state of "improve testing" (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:17 | |
| ruhe | i kept this item in the agenda to discuss how everyone feels about our current progress | 17:17 |
| ruhe | for instance, one of the most important items - "run real deployment tests in CI" is not finished yet | 17:18 |
| sergmelikyan | for me is hard to say, had no chance to spent much time writing tests - buy I support our decision to bundle any change with tests | 17:18 |
| ruhe | sergey murashov promised that it should work starting from tomorrow :) | 17:18 |
| sergmelikyan | *but | 17:18 |
| gokrokve | sjmc7: Hi. I have a small demo around CF integration. | 17:19 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: right. and since we already have a base for API tests and for DB migration, we need to enforce every patch affecting those components to have corresponding tests | 17:19 |
| gokrokve | sjmc7: Are you interested to see it? | 17:19 |
| sjmc7 | gokrokve - yes, but probably not today | 17:20 |
| gokrokve | sjmc7: Cool. Ping me once you are ready. | 17:20 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: since you started this initiative (improve testing), what do you think about our current state in testing? | 17:21 |
| sjmc7 | i keep finding broken things :) | 17:21 |
| sjmc7 | i think if we start making sure there are tests with new code, that's a good direction | 17:21 |
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| btully | +! | 17:22 |
| btully | +1 | 17:22 |
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| ruhe | i hope everyone said "+1" in their mind. finding broken things is dissapointing | 17:24 |
| ruhe | let's move to the next topic | 17:25 |
| ruhe | #topic post-deploy information | 17:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "post-deploy information (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:25 | |
| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/post-deployment-information | 17:25 |
| sjmc7 | i only added this today, so apologies | 17:25 |
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| sjmc7 | this can be a short discussion if anyone has initial questions or problems, but otherwise can talk about it later | 17:25 |
| ruhe | this one looks like a very good addition from user experience perspective | 17:26 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah.. i think we have to do something to make it a bit more user-friendly | 17:26 |
| ruhe | stanlagun: did you have a chance to look at this BP? | 17:27 |
| gokrokve | +1 ащк щгезгеы | 17:27 |
| katyafervent | now we deployment history, may be it should be extended somehow | 17:27 |
| gokrokve | +1 for outputs | 17:27 |
| gokrokve | Sorry | 17:27 |
| stanlagun | ruhe, not yet. Thanks for pointing out | 17:27 |
| sergmelikyan | gokrokve, I don | 17:27 |
| gokrokve | We have something like that in Tomcat app | 17:27 |
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| sergmelikyan | 't think that we need something so explicit | 17:27 |
| gokrokve | Via reporter Tomcat shows somethig like app available http://ip:port/folder | 17:28 |
| sergmelikyan | We can map template + data model + yaql expressions | 17:28 |
| gokrokve | I agree that we need something more explicit | 17:28 |
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| sjmc7 | i don't really mind how we do it. i would prefer it to be more than just a brief message in the reporter | 17:28 |
| gokrokve | Agree | 17:29 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, your bp and that one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/dynamic-fields-on-service-details might target the same Component page | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | Most ambigious and hard part is how to show this to the user | 17:29 |
| sjmc7 | i'll put some more detail in the BP then we can argue about it | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | What to do in multi-app envs | 17:29 |
| sjmc7 | display all of the information, sergmelikyan | 17:29 |
| sjmc7 | tsufiev - i hadn't seen that | 17:30 |
| sjmc7 | but yeah, maybe some crossver | 17:30 |
| gokrokve | We can also add HOT output auto render in Murano app which consist of only HOT. | 17:30 |
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| sjmc7 | i'll put some more detail in the BP, then we can argue about it | 17:30 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, but it's ok to have think about it from the over side | 17:31 |
| sjmc7 | ? | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, sure! | 17:31 |
| stanlagun | just pit my comments in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/post-deployment-information | 17:32 |
| stanlagun | *put | 17:32 |
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| tsufiev | sjmc7, the BP I mentioned is more about how that info is shown (in terms of code), while yours is more about UX | 17:32 |
| sjmc7 | we've been asked to provide the behavior | 17:33 |
| ruhe | so, it seems that everyone agrees on direction (i'm going to set direction=approved) and we need more time to agree on definition (specfication) | 17:33 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: do you need this to be done in juno? | 17:34 |
| sjmc7 | ruhe - probably, yes. we'll do it if we need to do it | 17:34 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: i'll rephrase. to what milestone would you like to target this BP? | 17:34 |
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| sjmc7 | probably j3 for now | 17:34 |
| ruhe | ok | 17:34 |
| ruhe | anything else on this topic? | 17:35 |
| ruhe | #topic current state of error handling for engine | 17:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "current state of error handling for engine (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:36 | |
| ruhe | this one is proposed by sjmc7 | 17:36 |
| sjmc7 | yeah... there are still some cases where exceptions are not clear from deoployments. i wasnt's ure if stanlagun is still working on this or if i should file individual bugs | 17:37 |
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| sergmelikyan | I think it is ok to create specific bugs, Stan is working on exceptions while covering MuranoPL and Engine with tests, but all found places may be fixed right know | 17:37 |
| sjmc7 | k | 17:37 |
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| stanlagun | I'm working on it. Most of exceptoins in DSL code will be improved alongside commits with tests | 17:38 |
| sergmelikyan | *now | 17:38 |
| sergmelikyan | But we can't be sure that you will not miss something - so opening bugs is okey | 17:38 |
| sergmelikyan | i think ) | 17:38 |
| ruhe | i agree, it'll be helpful to track those problems in bugs | 17:38 |
| stanlagun | I suggest wait several days and then start creating bugs for what is missing | 17:39 |
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| ruhe | stanlagun: how much is "several"? :) | 17:39 |
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| stanlagun | till this weekend | 17:40 |
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| ruhe | ok, sound like a good plan | 17:41 |
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| ruhe | #agreed start filing bugs for engine errors starting from the next week | 17:42 |
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| ruhe | anything else on this topic? | 17:42 |
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| ruhe | #topic open discussion | 17:43 |
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| ankurrr | I wanted to discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1319404 I was hoping to get consensus on "services" vs "applications" vs "components" | 17:43 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1319404 in murano "Use 'applications' instead of 'services' in the environment description" [Medium,Confirmed] | 17:43 |
| ruhe | ankurrr: by the way. i wanted to reply on your question from yesterday. i've included DB sync instructions in the commit message. to populate DB you'll need to run "murano-db-manage upgrade" | 17:45 |
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| ankurrr | ruhe: ah, yes. I ended up in the docs yesterday and was able to run murano-db-manage. thanks | 17:45 |
| sergmelikyan | ankurrr, we decided to leave services in env description to reduce amount of changes that going to break backward compatibility. I think we need to start working on specification for v2 API and freeze changes in current one. | 17:46 |
| tsufiev | ankurrr, afaik, 'services' was dropped because it reminded of windows | 17:46 |
| sergmelikyan | I think we can finish specification in J cycle and start implementing in K | 17:46 |
| ankurrr | sergmelikyan tsufiev: ok, but should we keep services, or should we change to "applications" or "components"? | 17:47 |
| tsufiev | sergmelikyan, agree, easier to start from scratch than to redo a lot of things in current api | 17:47 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev, yep, 'services' is part of terminology from previous era :) | 17:47 |
| sjmc7 | is this no longer a bug then? | 17:47 |
| ankurrr | and maybe just change it in v2? | 17:47 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, maybe change milestone to K? | 17:47 |
| stanlagun | for me services reminds on SOA applications, web-services etc, not Windows | 17:48 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev, I think we don't have an issue with changing many things by itself, current API is public one, we can't just change it | 17:48 |
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| sergmelikyan | Even with v2 API implemented we are going to have 2 cycles deprecation period | 17:49 |
| sergmelikyan | And ideally support v1 even further | 17:49 |
| stanlagun | in V2 there will be no predefined name in API because it must match that in MuranoPL (currently "applications") | 17:49 |
| ankurrr | so that means we'd need to maintain some sort of backward compatibility even if we did change it | 17:50 |
| tsufiev | sergmelikyan, agree, 'you can not just rename it' :) | 17:50 |
| katyafervent | I guess we can rename everything at least in dashboard from servicies to applications | 17:50 |
| stanlagun | V1 and V2 can work in parallel. Like in Heat | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | stanlagun, +1 | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | So let's refocus on original question :) | 17:50 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent, wasn't that already done? | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, what is your suggestion? ) | 17:50 |
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| sergmelikyan | *to original question | 17:51 |
| ruhe | sorry, i was distracted by a very dramatic game, Urugway - Italy | 17:51 |
| * sergmelikyan did not practiced English enough since summit :( | 17:51 | |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, they going to loose | 17:52 |
| igormarnat | both of them? | 17:52 |
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| sergmelikyan | No, one of the team ) But I don't know which one | 17:52 |
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| sjmc7 | ok. this ticket should be marked as not a bug | 17:53 |
| sjmc7 | and it can get reworked in v2 | 17:53 |
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| sjmc7 | or wont fix or something | 17:53 |
| ankurrr | ok, sounds good | 17:53 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: thanks for summarizing it :) | 17:53 |
| katyafervent | tsufiev, not everywhere, inside code we still have services | 17:54 |
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| ruhe | #agreed close 1319404 as won't fix and work on it in v2 api | 17:54 |
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| ruhe | anything else for today? | 17:54 |
| ruhe | one more minute to close the meeting | 17:56 |
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| ruhe | thanks everyone for attending this meeting | 17:57 |
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| ruhe | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 24 17:57:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-06-24-17.03.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-06-24-17.03.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-06-24-17.03.log.html | 17:57 |
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| sc68cal | Who's here for the QoS API meeting? | 17:58 |
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| kevinbenton | o/ | 18:00 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 24 18:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 18:00 |
| sc68cal | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronQoS | 18:00 |
| sc68cal | Sorry didn't update the agenda today, but I did update the qos api spec! | 18:00 |
| * sc68cal pats himself on the back | 18:00 | |
| kevinbenton | great, i saw that. i haven’t had a chance to check it out yet | 18:01 |
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| sc68cal | yeah it's getting a little better, bit by bit, now has better REST request/responses | 18:02 |
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| sc68cal | I basically cheated and used the patches to neutron and neutronclient in --debug | 18:03 |
| kevinbenton | sc68cal: yeah, that makes it a lot easier :-) | 18:03 |
| kevinbenton | sc68cal: just have to make sure there isn’t anything unexpected in there | 18:03 |
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| sc68cal | agree. There is still some work that needs to be done in the extension itself, around deleting Qos policies from ports and network | 18:04 |
| sc68cal | in the actual code | 18:04 |
| sc68cal | and document all those examples | 18:05 |
| sc68cal | updates, etc | 18:05 |
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| sc68cal | but I got my last patch for IPv6 work that Comcast needs ASAP +2'd for merge today so I'll be doing this 100% from now on and just facilitating the ipv6 subteam | 18:06 |
| kevinbenton | sc68cal: great. do we have a couple of cores or at least one interested enough in this to get a +2? | 18:06 |
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| sc68cal | I think we can count on Nachi and Kyle Mestery for support | 18:06 |
| sc68cal | Nachi has an itch he wants to scratch (see logs from like the first or second meeting) | 18:06 |
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| kevinbenton | great. is there anything you need help with? | 18:08 |
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| sc68cal | I think I just need to fix up my patches so your patchset works correctly, around the update methods | 18:08 |
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| sc68cal | I'll probably rebase the patch series sometime this week and start cleaning it up | 18:10 |
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| kevinbenton | sc68cal: ok. i’ll update the big switch plugin patch to test it out once that’s done | 18:11 |
| sc68cal | Cool, what's your timezone, because we could probably pair up over google hangouts or something and pair program | 18:11 |
| sc68cal | I'll see what TZ Itsuro Oda is in, but I think it's japan? | 18:12 |
| kevinbenton | PST for me, not sure about Itsuro | 18:12 |
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| sc68cal | Gotcha. OK, well that's about all I have for today | 18:14 |
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| sc68cal | we'll see if anyone else has any q's, otherwise we'll adjourn till next week | 18:14 |
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| kevinbenton | sounds good | 18:15 |
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| sc68cal | Cool, see you next week! | 18:19 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 18:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 24 18:19:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2014/neutron_qos.2014-06-24-18.00.html | 18:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2014/neutron_qos.2014-06-24-18.00.txt | 18:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2014/neutron_qos.2014-06-24-18.00.log.html | 18:19 |
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| adrian_otto | #strartmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 24 22:01:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum Our Agenda | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:02 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:02 |
| muralia | murali allada | 22:02 |
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| james_li | james li | 22:02 |
| ravips | Ravi Sankar Penta | 22:02 |
| aratim | Arati Mahimane | 22:02 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 22:02 |
| PaulCzar | Paul Czarkowski | 22:02 |
| angu5 | o/ | 22:02 |
| julienvey | Julien Vey | 22:02 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 22:02 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 22:02 |
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| adrian_otto | is angu5 Mr Salkeld? | 22:03 |
| dimtruck_ | Dimitry Ushakov | 22:03 |
| datsun180b | he is | 22:04 |
| angu5 | yip | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | welcome everyone | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | you may chime in at any time to be recorded in our attendance | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Annoncements | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Annoncements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:04 | |
| adrian_otto | do any team members have any announcements for us today? | 22:04 |
| angu5 | mistralclient was released | 22:05 |
| angu5 | :-) | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | whoot! | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | version 0.0.?? | 22:05 |
| julienvey | 0.0.4 | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/mistral/0.0.4 | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | excellent! | 22:05 |
| angu5 | but still not sync'd | 22:05 |
| datsun180b | oh i was looking for the client there | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | Thanks to those of you helping with that! | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements? | 22:06 |
| julienvey | small announcement, I found the problem with the spec repo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102246/ | 22:06 |
| julienvey | at least I hope so :P | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: you mean why zuul is not picking up and doing anything? | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | or some other problem? | 22:06 |
| julienvey | yes | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | oh, what did you learn? | 22:07 |
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| datsun180b | zuul didn't know to | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | aha | 22:07 |
| julienvey | we just missed a change in zuul config file | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | my patch for the stackforge setup must have missed that? | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that makes sense | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | thanks julienvey! | 22:07 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, let's proceed to action items | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni to work with adrian_otto to document the LP devleopment approach in BP+task+wiki to clearly outline our approach, and how it solves each use case. | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni indicated he plans to discuss this with me this week | 22:09 |
| devkulkarni | I have added details to the custom-language-pack bp | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | Oh, good, so we can review that | 22:09 |
| devkulkarni | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/custom-language-packs .. yes I will discuss with adrian_otto and anyone else who is interested | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | should we put that in our parking lot to look at during Open Discussion today? | 22:09 |
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| adrian_otto | if we have some time left | 22:10 |
| devkulkarni | sounds good. we can also revisit that time to time | 22:10 |
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| adrian_otto | next action item is: | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | ratim to follow up with noorul to plan a solution to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96928/ | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | aratim to follow up with noorul to plan a solution to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96928/ | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | that looks like it's still under review | 22:10 |
| aratim | yes, but the issue we had is now resolved | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | angu5: you have a pending question | 22:11 |
| angu5 | really? | 22:11 |
| aratim | angu5 is suggesting we need not store the stack_id in component | 22:11 |
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| aratim | which is what the patch is for | 22:11 |
| angu5 | resource_uri | 22:11 |
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| adrian_otto | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96928/12/solum/deployer/handlers/heat.py line 158 | 22:11 |
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| angu5 | I am not very stressed, we are moving to pipeline | 22:12 |
| angu5 | not sure how long that is going to live in the current form | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | angu5: you have a -1 vote on this patch. Do you want to move it to a -0 vote? | 22:13 |
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| angu5 | not really | 22:13 |
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| angu5 | I am sure aratim can answer | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | because I don't understand the objection. I am I the only one? | 22:14 |
| julienvey | the question has not been answered yet | 22:14 |
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| julienvey | I understand angus | 22:14 |
| * ravips doesn't understand the context :( | 22:14 | |
| angu5 | the stack_id is in the stack result | 22:14 |
| angu5 | so I was asking why we need a different field to store stack_id | 22:14 |
| aratim | angu5: do you mean we should remove the stack_id field from component ? | 22:15 |
| aratim | since we already have resource_uri | 22:15 |
| julienvey | the suggestion is to parse the resource_uri to extract the stack id from it | 22:15 |
| angu5 | just asking if we can get the stack_id from the stack[id] | 22:15 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: background.. we are talking about how to track heat stack that is created for an assembly within solum | 22:15 |
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| ravips | devkulkarni: ok | 22:15 |
| angu5 | aratim: if it is not possible - no problem | 22:16 |
| aratim | that could be done, but I think requires to undo many things | 22:16 |
| aratim | that the patch does | 22:16 |
| aratim | the patch intends to add that field to component | 22:16 |
| angu5 | well, that is the point | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I'll consider this action item completed | 22:16 |
| angu5 | we will barely need the patch | 22:17 |
| devkulkarni | aratim: is it fair to say that the bug report said 'lets add stack id to component' and so that approach was followed | 22:17 |
| aratim | yes devkulkarni, we had created that bug to add the stack_id | 22:17 |
| angu5 | bug should declare the problem, not the solution | 22:17 |
| devkulkarni | If so, I would blame it on the bug report ;) | 22:17 |
| aratim | :) | 22:17 |
| devkulkarni | angu5: well, we have not followed that many bugs really | 22:17 |
| devkulkarni | s/that/that for/ | 22:18 |
| devkulkarni | if the action item is completed then are we abandoning the patch? | 22:18 |
| angu5 | maybe we can move on | 22:18 |
| angu5 | devkulkarni: the problem is we want the stack_id | 22:19 |
| angu5 | not name | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | this can be concluded in review the comment stream | 22:19 |
| angu5 | totally | 22:19 |
| devkulkarni | ok. sounds good. | 22:19 |
| aratim | angu5: storing the stack_id makes it easier | 22:19 |
| aratim | check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96928/12/solum/deployer/handlers/heat.py | 22:19 |
| aratim | line 202 | 22:19 |
| angu5 | we can take this off line | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Tasks | 22:20 |
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| adrian_otto | note that we agreed in our last meeting that I would call out key priorities as status items, not necessarily from blueprints | 22:21 |
| devkulkarni | yes. I remember that. | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | for those who were not present at the prior meeting I'd like your input on this | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | do you have any objections to having standing agenda items to get status on development of key features, similar to what we used to do for the "Review Blueprints" part of the meeting agenda? | 22:22 |
| angu5 | fine by me | 22:22 |
| ravips | nope | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | the agenda should name the Stacker who we expect to give an update | 22:22 |
| julienvey | yep | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | and if you will not be present, just identify an alternate to provide an update | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | the purpose for this approach is to keep the whole team informed of our milestones and progress on the most important bits of work we are doing | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | so I'd look for topics like "Pipeline" and "Build Farm" | 22:23 |
| angu5 | I can give status on pipeline | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | are any of you prepared to offer updates for each of those? I know our review queue was a bit backed up over the past week pending some critical path items, like the Mistral release | 22:24 |
| julienvey | I'll talk about build farm and git after angus | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | ok, angu5, please proceed | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | thanks julienvey | 22:24 |
| angu5 | so mistalclient released | 22:24 |
| angu5 | I have the auth sorted (I hope)! | 22:25 |
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| angu5 | the build job is mostly done | 22:25 |
| datsun180b | nice | 22:25 |
| angu5 | I need to do the heat mistral plugin | 22:25 |
| angu5 | and do final testing | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | auth = chained trusts to allow solum to act upon resources in a heat stack when solum is not being acted upon by an interactive user, without requiring us to store bearer tokens. | 22:25 |
| angu5 | but hopefully we can get some more patches in | 22:26 |
| angu5 | adrian_otto: yip | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | for example, when a commit hits a git repo, and a webhook fires to trigger a re-execution of the tasks in the pipeline | 22:26 |
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| angu5 | that is fine as mistral makes the trust at workbook create time | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | angu5: are there any areas where team members can help you? | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | or where that would make sense | 22:27 |
| angu5 | people are welcome "git review -d " | 22:27 |
| angu5 | and test it out | 22:28 |
| angu5 | the heat plugin should be easy | 22:28 |
| angu5 | I was fighting mostly with auth | 22:28 |
| angu5 | hopefully that is out the way | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | which functionality will belong in a heat plugin? | 22:28 |
| angu5 | just updating the stack | 22:29 |
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| angu5 | we need to think about the services / heat template generation | 22:29 |
| angu5 | maybe make the services/ a bit like the infra/ | 22:30 |
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| angu5 | and take a provider template | 22:30 |
| angu5 | and we then can generate the template | 22:30 |
| angu5 | (to get 'add ons') | 22:30 |
| angu5 | I can post an initial spec with some ideas | 22:31 |
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| angu5 | (maybe someone can run with that) | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | thanks angu5. Anything more on Pipelines? | 22:31 |
| angu5 | that's all | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | ok, julienvey please update the team on Build Farm | 22:32 |
| julienvey | So, for the build farm, we have some reviews in progress for the solum part | 22:32 |
| julienvey | I was trying to work with Drone but they don't have an API :( | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | maybe Jenkins? | 22:33 |
| julienvey | it's in progress on their side so I'll wait a little before choosing another solution | 22:33 |
| julienvey | yes, Pierre should start working on Jenkins sson | 22:33 |
| julienvey | soon | 22:33 |
| angu5 | can't we just detect the tests? | 22:33 |
| julienvey | it's for the initial config | 22:33 |
| julienvey | users/repos... | 22:33 |
| julienvey | we identified 3 alternatives | 22:33 |
| julienvey | 1/ going with the API | 22:34 |
| julienvey | 2/ SSH to the instances | 22:34 |
| julienvey | 3/ guest agent | 22:34 |
| julienvey | (in order of preference) | 22:34 |
| angu5 | marconi? | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | that would fit into guest agent I expect | 22:35 |
| julienvey | yeah, I have to admit I haven't really look at it yet | 22:35 |
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| angu5 | so install the builder api into the instance | 22:35 |
| julienvey | angu5: that's 3/ | 22:35 |
| julienvey | actually 3 is "Install something on the instance" | 22:36 |
| julienvey | whereas 1 and 2 are "Do everything remotely" | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | were these options outlined in the spec proposal you have in review, julienvey? | 22:36 |
| julienvey | yes | 22:36 |
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| angu5 | if we install the builder api to the instance, then we can reuse the mistral pluging | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | good, so we can discuss the merits of each there | 22:36 |
| angu5 | (auth is an issue) | 22:37 |
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| julienvey | If everyone is ok with that, I am too | 22:37 |
| devkulkarni | yes. lets discuss it on the spec | 22:37 |
| angu5 | ok | 22:37 |
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| julienvey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100539/ | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: can you give us a quick sense of our plan for securing the build hosts, and the interaction between them and Solum? | 22:38 |
| devkulkarni | thanks julienvey | 22:38 |
| julienvey | it will depend on what we choose | 22:38 |
| julienvey | if 1/ we need to secure the API, but don't know how yet | 22:39 |
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| julienvey | if 2/ it's just a keypair to add when the instance start so no problem | 22:39 |
| julienvey | if 3/ the instance will pick the jobs itself, so again, not a problem | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | if we take option 2, let's be sure that every host has a unique keypair | 22:40 |
| angu5 | I like a pulling option aproach | 22:40 |
| julienvey | :) | 22:40 |
| angu5 | maybe marconi in a really simple guest agent | 22:41 |
| angu5 | jenkins is an option too I guess | 22:41 |
| julienvey | one question, what's the advantage of marconi over a classic queue system ? | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: it has multi-tenancy | 22:42 |
| angu5 | you over ampq | 22:42 |
| angu5 | yeah that | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | so you don't need a separate instance of rabbit per tenant | 22:42 |
| angu5 | but you would need creds on the host | 22:43 |
| angu5 | (not so nice) | 22:43 |
| PaulCzar | yeah, means we can use the openstack provided services rather than trying to run and manage queuing systems per customer | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | you just have a simple queue (or set of queues) per tenant, and SOlum just needs one instance of Marconi to manage everyone | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | and in the case where the cloud provider offers Marconi as a hosted service, you just use that | 22:43 |
| julienvey | there's one more question that need answer, is the build farm "per-tenant" or "solum's" | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | and Solum would not need it's own. | 22:43 |
| angu5 | julienvey: +1 to per tenant | 22:44 |
| PaulCzar | if its Solums … then we should just use rabbit … if its per-tenant then Marconi | 22:44 |
| julienvey | Thank you, I'll give a try to marconi | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: ideally we should allow either | 22:44 |
| angu5 | https://github.com/openstack/python-marconiclient/blob/master/examples/claims.py | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | but I think it's more important to *allow* build farms per tenant | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | and perhaps use that as the first iteration | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | and then optimize on that in follow-up iterations to allow a shared build farm with the additional security concerns addressed | 22:45 |
| angu5 | I need to go take kids to school | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | thoughts on this? | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | thanks angu5 | 22:45 |
| julienvey | ok, it will be easier to implement "per tenant" I think, so i'm good with it :) | 22:45 |
| julienvey | bye angu5 | 22:45 |
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| adrian_otto | just try to keep the shared farm use case in mind while implementing | 22:45 |
| PaulCzar | a public cloud would probably want to own the build farm for all for resource consolidation and allowing for cheaper users to not need to run a bunch of VMs for a small application | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | so we don't have to forklift it later | 22:46 |
| julienvey | sure | 22:46 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks julienvey | 22:46 |
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| adrian_otto | any more details on Build Farm? | 22:46 |
| julienvey | no | 22:46 |
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| PaulCzar | julienvey: I see some git-push BPs from you … are you actively working on that ? | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any other tasks that team members would like to review together? | 22:47 |
| julienvey | yeah, we are working on both build farm and git, it's quite the same mechanisms | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | or suggestions for standing status topics for upcoming meetings? | 22:47 |
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| PaulCzar | I assume you know that there’s a POC of it already in the contrib ? - https://github.com/stackforge/solum/tree/master/contrib/example-gitpush | 22:48 |
| PaulCzar | in case that can help save time … it’s very much a MVP | 22:48 |
| julienvey | yes, it did, I copied a lot of code from it | 22:48 |
| PaulCzar | cool | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open DIscussion | 22:49 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/custom-language-packs Custom Language Packs | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | we can take a moment to look over that | 22:50 |
| devkulkarni | yes, please do. I will create a spec out of this soon. | 22:50 |
| devkulkarni | in the mean while you can add comments to the summary section. | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | looks like this can be submitted as a spec review | 22:50 |
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| adrian_otto | so I'll look forward to that | 22:50 |
| devkulkarni | ok. so | 22:50 |
| devkulkarni | the comments can wait for the spec. | 22:51 |
| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: it seems to be pretty VM specific … no docker stuff ? | 22:51 |
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| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: yes, it identify that custom language packs are VMs. | 22:51 |
| devkulkarni | s/it/I/ | 22:51 |
| devkulkarni | for docker | 22:51 |
| devkulkarni | we need to make solum work with Docker lps | 22:51 |
| devkulkarni | are we there yet? | 22:51 |
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| ravips | devkulkarni: whats the scope of language packs? where/how do we store/retrieve service endpoints provided by lp | 22:52 |
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| devkulkarni | in any case, that can be a separate spec | 22:52 |
| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: lp-cedarish is both a VM and a docker LP … so I’d say we’re there | 22:52 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: what do you mean by service endpoints provided by an lp? | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar: +1 | 22:53 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: lp-cedarish is a framework to support heroku build packs. I would not call it out as a docker-based language pack necessarily | 22:53 |
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| devkulkarni | lp-cedarish for VM | 22:53 |
| devkulkarni | still uses dibs | 22:53 |
| devkulkarni | so in what way it is docker based? | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | DiB | 22:53 |
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| ravips | devkulkarni: lp can be webservice/db + base ubuntu/fedora, how does the user app knows the db/webservice info | 22:54 |
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| devkulkarni | ravips: definition of a lp imo is bit restricted than that. | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: that is part of the plan file that is given when the app is registered with Solum | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | the LP is a one-host architecture by default | 22:55 |
| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: lp-cedarish only uses DiB if you’re pure VMs | 22:55 |
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| devkulkarni | lp is base image + packages and libraries that you can use to construct a running assembly | 22:55 |
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| PaulCzar | if you’re using the docker driver … it doesn’t touch DiB | 22:55 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: yes I know that. and custom lps for VMs I am saying we do exactly that | 22:55 |
| devkulkarni | for custom lps for docker, we can do something else, but the bp does not identify that part yet. | 22:56 |
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| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: okay. I’m somewhat confused by the BP :) | 22:56 |
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| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: we can hash it out offline | 22:56 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: sure | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: an LP could be a git repo URL to a repo that contains a Dockerfile | 22:57 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: adrian_otto: ok, so LP only provides necessary libs/pkgs and wiring betweeen the app and other services provided by lp is presented in plan file? | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | and the LP image is created on the fly the first time it is used | 22:57 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: sure. the mechanism to specify what can be installed as part of the LP creation could be a Dockerfile or a 'prepare' script | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | that would make LP's really lightweight and dynamic | 22:58 |
| devkulkarni | sure | 22:58 |
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| PaulCzar | so I am somewhat of the opinion that a person who wants to write their own LP might want to build the image / docker image themselves and upload it and just specify entrypoints for run, test, etc | 22:59 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: yes | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | ok, time to wrap up | 22:59 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: ok, thx | 22:59 |
| PaulCzar | rather than have solum build it for them | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending | 22:59 |
| datsun180b | PaulCzar: ++ to that | 22:59 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: have identified that | 22:59 |
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| devkulkarni | but the bp is with the assumptin | 22:59 |
| paulmo_ | See you! | 22:59 |
| devkulkarni | that someone want to really build a lp within solum | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | any lurgers wanting to be recorded in attenance today? chime in now | 23:00 |
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| devkulkarni | I can make that clear at the beginning of the BP | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
| paulmo_ | Paul Montgomery, sorry for being a bit late, traffic | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 24 23:00:22 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-06-24-22.01.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-06-24-22.01.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-06-24-22.01.log.html | 23:00 |
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| datsun180b | ouch, photo finish there paulmo | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo_: we got you in. | 23:00 |
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