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| dhellmann | who's around for the oslo meeting? | 15:59 |
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| mkoderer | hi | 15:59 |
| bnemec | o/ | 15:59 |
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| wendar | o/ | 16:00 |
| gcb_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | a small but dedicated team :-) | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri May 23 16:01:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| lcheng | o/ | 16:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | lots to cover today, so I'm going to dive right in | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| dhellmann | 1. dhellmann look into tagging oslo.config release with new fixtures module | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | at the summit we agreed we want to publish alpha releases as wheels, and mordred has a change up for infra to make that work | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56760/ | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | it needs a rebase, which I've offered to do | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann rebase wheel publishing change | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | 2. dhellmann contact neutron, heat, and trove liaisons about oslo.messaging adoption | 16:03 |
| jd__ | o/ | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | I did this, and discovered that there are patches in process | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #info ihrachyshka is working on the neutron patch for oslo.messaging | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #info ihrachyshka is also working on a trove patch for oslo.messaging | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #info sdake is working on the heat patch for oslo.messaging | 16:03 |
| bnemec | \o/ | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachyshka or sdake, do you happen to be around to report on progress? | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | afaict, everyone wants these to land but they happened too close to the end of the last cycle | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | so no major blockers, although ihrachyshka did email about some trouble with the neutron unit test behavior | 16:05 |
| * bnemec looks forward to rm -rf rpc in oslo-incubator | 16:05 | |
| dhellmann | indeed | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Juno Schedule | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno Schedule (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:05 | |
| dhellmann | ttx published the link on the -dev list, but just in case: | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | we have about 3 weeks before J1 | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | in that time, we need to be working on blueprints and specs, as well as the libraries we said we would graduate early | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | I would like to have the specs for all our current blueprints done by some time next week, so ttx and I can organize the launchpad end of things for tracking | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | does anyone foresee any issues with that? | 16:06 |
| * dhellmann has the HVAC guy here for service, so may have a meat-space interruption coming up soon | 16:07 | |
| bnemec | I see a lot of spec reviews in my near future. | 16:07 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec: that's true, and I was going to talk about review priorities later on in the meeting | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | this time around I think we've talked about most of the blueprints already, so it's just a matter of making sure the details are clear | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | something that came up in the ceilometer meeting was to make sure, when reviewing specs, to focus on content and not style -- don't quibble over punctuation unless it makes the meaning unclear, for example | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | I think the only exception there would be if the rst formatting is broken so rendering doesn't work, but I'm inclined to let that sort of thing be fixed after the initial review is done if necessary | 16:10 |
| mkoderer | isn't the rst formating checked by jenkins? | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | mkoderer: it should be, but I don't know if it's reported as a failure or not | 16:11 |
| mkoderer | dhellmann: ok | 16:11 |
| bnemec | I thought someone in tripleo mentioned having issues if their rst wasn't good, but I haven't run into it myself. | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95002/ I see that a docs job ran and built html output at http://docs-draft.openstack.org/02/95002/2/check/gate-oslo-specs-docs/8ed3efd/doc/build/html/ | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | we can keep an eye on it, and fix issues if needed | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | does anyone have any concerns about the schedule? we haven't committed blueprints to any milestones, yet, so that question may be premature. :-) | 16:12 |
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| * morganfainberg is here now (running a little late today) | 16:13 | |
| dhellmann | hi, morganfainberg | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | #topic red flags from liaisons | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "red flags from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:13 | |
| dhellmann | there’s probably not much to report here, yet, but I want to leave this section on our agenda every week | 16:13 |
| mkoderer | what is this topic about? | 16:13 |
| bnemec | Surfing? ;-) | 16:14 |
| gcb_ | dhellmann, any approved blueprint before should be reviewed in oslo-specs, right ? | 16:14 |
| mkoderer | we had some problems with oslo.test and mocking time.time in tempest | 16:14 |
| mkoderer | is it the right place? ;) | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | if there are any issues with blueprints, landing changes in projects, designs, etc. -- anything that the oslo core team needs to be aware of and address that is blocking use of oslo libraries -- this is the time to bring it up | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | gcb_: yes, please file a spec for any blueprint you plan to work on in juno | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | mkoderer: yes, that's exactly it | 16:15 |
| bnemec | mkoderer: I commented on the review, but will it break with OS_DEBUG=1 too? | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | gcb_: I think you bounced and missed my reply: yes, please file a spec for any blueprint you plan to work on in juno | 16:15 |
| gcb_ | dhellmann, thanks | 16:16 |
| mkoderer | bnemec: yep you are right so we still have an issue | 16:16 |
| bnemec | Ugh | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | I don't necessarily want to solve issues here in the meeting, but I want to make sure we're all aware of them | 16:16 |
| mkoderer | I fixed it in tempest itself | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | mkoderer: do you have links to the related reviews? | 16:16 |
| mkoderer | sure | 16:16 |
| mkoderer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94176/ | 16:16 |
| mkoderer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94027/ | 16:17 |
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| mkoderer | so we fixed it in tempest and just get rid of the time.time mock | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | mkoderer: is everyone generally happy with that approach, or do we need to work on another one? | 16:17 |
| mkoderer | dhellmann: maybe we should put it in the documentation | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | mkoderer: that sounds like a good idea | 16:18 |
| mkoderer | dhellmann: since it's not really obvious that using a oslo.test lib can cause problems in logging ;) | 16:18 |
| mkoderer | I will do it | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | great, thanks | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | #action mkoderer add a doc patch for oslotest warning about mocking time.time | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | do we have any other issues we need to raise here? | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | mkoderer: also, don't forget that the oslo.test repo is likely to be renamed today during the gerrit downtime, so watch for that when you submit a patch | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | it's moving from "oslo.test" to "oslotest" | 16:20 |
| mkoderer | dhellmann: ok cool thx | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | #topic adoption status | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "adoption status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:20 | |
| dhellmann | liaisons should be looking at oslotest and oslo.messaging at this point, how is that going (aside from the issue mkoderer just reported)? | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | and, well, all the stuff I reported earlier about oslo.messaging | 16:21 |
| * dhellmann wonders who wrote these agenda notes | 16:21 | |
| bknudson | keystone is still using oslo-incubator oslotest ... I think we're waiting on config fixture in oslo.config | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | I've really only been tracking the integrated and incubated projects for oslo.messaging, do we have any liaisons from other projects here today? | 16:21 |
| mkoderer | tempest oslotest integration is in review | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: ok, that's good to know | 16:21 |
| mkoderer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77747/ | 16:21 |
| bknudson | also, we've got a review to switch to oslo.db -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77210/ | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: nice, getting a head start :-) | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | ok, we can come back during open discussion if there is more to report | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | #topic discuss next steps for osprofiler | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "discuss next steps for osprofiler (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:23 | |
| dhellmann | boris-42, I think this was your topic so the floor is yours | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | hmm, I wonder what time it is there and if boris-42 is actually around | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | at the summit, we talked about the fact that boris would like osprofiler to be an oslo library | 16:25 |
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| dhellmann | the other projects have expressed an interest in using it, and I have no objection to adopting it, but I didn't want to say yes without discussing it with the team | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | perhaps we should do that via the mailing list, since I'm not sure we have quorum here today | 16:25 |
| bnemec | Yeah, probably makes sense. | 16:26 |
| bknudson | projects have to do something to use it? | 16:26 |
| bnemec | I'm good with it though. | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: they have to call the functions to set it up | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | there are a couple of ways to turn it on/off at runtime, I think | 16:27 |
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| bknudson | rest api? | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann suggest boris-42 send email about having oslo adopt osprofiler | 16:27 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i think it was config | 16:27 |
| bnemec | Wasn't it implemented as middleware? | 16:27 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: it currently looks for a value in the incoming request, but that is going to be changed | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: yes, I think there's a config flag, too | 16:28 |
| mkoderer | Does it require to have ceilometer in place? | 16:28 |
| bknudson | if it's middleware and a library and no setup then there's nothing to do | 16:28 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yeah it was very straightforward as i recall | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | mkoderer: it does send notifications intended for ceilometer to collect | 16:28 |
| mkoderer | ok got it | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | #topic keep or drop run_tests.sh | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "keep or drop run_tests.sh (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:29 | |
| dhellmann | bnemec, this one is yours | 16:29 |
| bnemec | Okay, so we have an open review to fix up run_tests.sh. | 16:29 |
| bnemec | But we've also talked about dropping it entirely. | 16:29 |
| bnemec | So I thought this might be a good time to revisit that discussion. | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | do any of the infra jobs depend on it? | 16:30 |
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| dhellmann | or is this just a local dev tool? | 16:30 |
| bnemec | I don't think so. Infra uses tox everywhere AFAIK. | 16:30 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, iirc infra uses tox for everything | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | to be honest, I don't think I even realized we had a copy of the script, I always just use tox directly | 16:30 |
| bnemec | I think it's just a local dev tool. | 16:30 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Although you mentioned maybe rackspace was using it for something? | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | oh, hmm, what was that... | 16:31 |
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| morganfainberg | in the keystone team there is desire to keep it, but we've hacked it up ourselves to suit our needs | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | ah, yeah, something to do with the way they were building a package and then using it to run tests in the packaged code | 16:31 |
| bnemec | morganfainberg: What is the reason for keeping it? | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: do you have the link to that review handy? | 16:31 |
| bnemec | I know there were some feature deficits in tox before, but I thought at least some of those were resolved now. | 16:32 |
| morganfainberg | bnemec, a few of our developers like it's interface better than remembering tox | 16:32 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85637/ | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85637/ | 16:32 |
| bnemec | morganfainberg: What about making it a wrapper around tox? | 16:32 |
| morganfainberg | bnemec, and we do some magic w/ it to handle fail-fast, which can't be done until tox 1.7 | 16:32 |
| morganfainberg | bnemec, it is for the most part going that way | 16:32 |
| bnemec | morganfainberg: Ah, okay. | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | a/c guy is here, brb | 16:32 |
| bnemec | So we do still have things that run_tests can do and tox can't for the moment. | 16:33 |
| morganfainberg | bnemec, i don't mind maintaining our desires in keystone as a wrapepr to tox even if everyone else wants to drop it. | 16:33 |
| bnemec | Although it sounds like Keystone isn't actually using the stuff from oslo? | 16:33 |
| morganfainberg | bnemec, no - but if you want it i'm happy to work to contribute our wrapper changes up to your script | 16:34 |
| morganfainberg | bnemec, https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/run_tests.sh#L87 the failfast (iirc) is the one feature we can't replicate with tox specifically | 16:34 |
| bnemec | morganfainberg: I think in general there has been support for keeping run_tests.sh as a wrapper everywhere. As you noted, it's much easier to discover than tox. | 16:34 |
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| morganfainberg | bnemec, i submitted a pull request to fix it but we're behind on tox versions due to posarg changes | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | it seems like if the other projects want to keep it, we should keep the version in the incubator | 16:35 |
| morganfainberg | bnemec, so 1.7.<something> will provide that fix eventually. not sure if we (openstack) will get there or not. there was discussion about moving away from tox | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | although I don't think we need the script in the new library repos | 16:35 |
| bnemec | Yeah, it doesn't sound like we're ready to drop run_tests, so we should go ahead and fix it up. | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:36 |
| bnemec | That's all I had on this topic then. | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | #agreed we will continue maintaining the copy of the test script in the incubator for other projects to use | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | #topic priorities for this week | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | I mentioned some of this already | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priorities for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:39 | |
| dhellmann | we need to review the graduation template in specs, write specs for all blueprints, and focus reviews on the specs, oslo.db, and oslo.i18n repos | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | #info specs, oslo.i18n, oslo.db | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | the graduation spec template just needs one more +2 | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/94906 | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | if there are no questions, that's the last formal topic I have for this week's agenda | 16:39 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Do we have the section header test in oslo? | 16:39 |
| bnemec | Just wondering if having multiple templates is going to be a problem. | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: ah, no, I saw that someone was working on a test like that | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | good point, we would have to adjust the tool to know which template was used | 16:40 |
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| bnemec | Yeah, there are some reviews open in Nova that should make it easier. | 16:40 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, some general comments i can provide relating to similar changes we did in keystone | 16:41 |
| bnemec | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94381/ | 16:41 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, if you're interested. makes the template a little bit better (wording), but if there is a rush i don't want to block (Can submit a followup review) | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: can you keep an eye on those, and propose some tooling for us when it's ready? I think oslo owns the cookiecutter repo for specs, so we should probably put the tools there, too | 16:41 |
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| dhellmann | morganfainberg: please comment away -- keep in mind this is the template just for graduations, there's a separate one for "normal" changes | 16:42 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Sure, I'm already subscribed to that one. | 16:42 |
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| morganfainberg | dhellmann, correct - it's just some similar phrasing we cleaned up (you used the same wording in some of the sections) | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | I'm also open to the idea that we should only have one template, but there were a lot of sections that just didn't apply to graduations | 16:42 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, ++ | 16:43 |
| gcb_ | should we add oslo-specs section in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Review_Links | 16:43 |
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| morganfainberg | dhellmann, not sure how to resolve one template vs applicable sections | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | gcb_: good point, I'll do that | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann add oslo-specs to the review links section of the wiki | 16:44 |
| bnemec | Given the variety of stuff in Oslo I think it probably makes sense to support multiple templates. | 16:44 |
| bnemec | I reserve the right to change my mind if the tooling around that turns out to be obnoxious. :-) | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | I think we've already moved on from priorities... | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:45 |
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| dhellmann | if we're done, everyone can go take the extra 15 minutes to write their specs :-) | 16:46 |
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| morganfainberg | yay | 16:47 |
| bnemec | +1 :-) | 16:48 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, i'll post my comments on the template in a couple minutes. all minor. | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | ok, let's do that, then :-) | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: sounds good | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | thanks everyone! | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri May 23 16:48:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-05-23-16.01.html | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-05-23-16.01.txt | 16:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-05-23-16.01.log.html | 16:48 |
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| morganfainberg | dhellmann, comments posted, very minor +1 as is, but could be fixed if desired. | 16:51 |
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