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| zns | #startmeeting Satori | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 10 15:00:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zns. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Satori)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'satori' | 15:00 |
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| zns | Hi! Who's here? | 15:01 |
| caleb_ | o/ | 15:01 |
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| gusmaskowitz | o/ | 15:01 |
| hhoover | o/ | 15:01 |
| walker_ | o/ | 15:01 |
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| samstav | o/ | 15:01 |
| jasonpgignac1 | o/ | 15:01 |
| zns | Welcome! I'd like to start with a quick review of action items from last time. caleb_ can you update on yours? I believe you had 4. | 15:02 |
| zns | gusmaskowitz, samstav - you action items will be next... | 15:02 |
| caleb_ | Yes, I had 4 items all related to opinions | 15:03 |
| caleb_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori/OpinionsProposal | 15:03 |
| caleb_ | The proposal on the wiki has been updated to address all 4 | 15:03 |
| zns | caleb_: thank you! | 15:03 |
| caleb_ | one note: | 15:03 |
| caleb_ | I had to fake a Heat resource name for Barbican items since Heat doesn't yet support Barbican | 15:04 |
| caleb_ | OS::Barbican::SSLCertificate | 15:04 |
| caleb_ | If we're okay with that spec | 15:04 |
| caleb_ | I'll move to implementation | 15:04 |
| zns | Nice! | 15:04 |
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| caleb_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/poc-resource-opinions | 15:04 |
| caleb_ | any objections? | 15:05 |
| zns | I haven't reviewed the spec with the updates. I'll take a look shortly. Where do we comment on the spec? On the bp whiteboard? | 15:05 |
| caleb_ | zns: Yes. | 15:05 |
| caleb_ | zns: Can you make yourself the reviewer then? | 15:05 |
| zns | OK. Done (Approver, I think). | 15:06 |
| zns | gusmaskowitz: ? | 15:06 |
| gusmaskowitz | hi | 15:06 |
| caleb_ | Thank you for all of the feedback last week. I think we talked about this design a lot and it ate up our time but I think we are better off because of it. | 15:06 |
| gusmaskowitz | I had two actions related to documentation | 15:06 |
| gusmaskowitz | a terminology page exists. | 15:07 |
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| zns | caleb_: agreed. I like the evolution of it. | 15:07 |
| gusmaskowitz | and | 15:07 |
| gusmaskowitz | I had a failed git review on my doc push to satori readthedocs. | 15:07 |
| gusmaskowitz | will be reposted shortly with a better example then done | 15:07 |
| gusmaskowitz | for the record is passed Gerrit, but not the Oracle of ZNS :) | 15:08 |
| zns | gusmaskowitz: Thanks for getting it up there. | 15:08 |
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| samstav | gusmaskowitz do you have a link to the terminology page? I wondered if you were referring to the glossary page that I started last week... | 15:08 |
| gusmaskowitz | It's the glossary page. renamed. | 15:08 |
| gusmaskowitz | link : | 15:08 |
| gusmaskowitz | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori/glossary | 15:09 |
| zns | Hah! I like to think that if something is in gerrit, the action item is accomplished. It's hard to predict what the review process will be like... | 15:09 |
| gusmaskowitz | on the front page says terminology. I hate duplication. | 15:09 |
| samstav | Ah, excellent. | 15:09 |
| gusmaskowitz | one quick question: the PYPI page is the readme from the github repo. | 15:09 |
| gusmaskowitz | how do we set it to update? is that something you control zns? | 15:10 |
| caleb_ | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/satori/0.1.3 | 15:10 |
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| gusmaskowitz | that content yes - it comes from the README. | 15:10 |
| gusmaskowitz | does it update automagically? | 15:10 |
| zns | gusmaskowitz - and all: do we want to get things like the glossary into the docs? We'd need to add the rat to the source and compile it and publish to readthedocs. The wiki feels uncontrolled to me... | 15:10 |
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| zns | that, not the rat! | 15:11 |
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| gusmaskowitz | im happy to do what you suggest. | 15:11 |
| gusmaskowitz | terminology page in the code --> readthe docs ? | 15:11 |
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| caleb_ | Maybe this could work: anything user related-> readthedocs, anything dev related->wiki ? | 15:11 |
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| caleb_ | feels like we need a guiding principle to agree on. | 15:12 |
| zns | How about following nova: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/devref/index.html | 15:12 |
| samstav | Would it be reasonable to have links from readthedocs to the openstack wiki or vice versa? Will we keep these sets of documentation totally separate? | 15:12 |
| caleb_ | I've picked up the feeling from other projects that the wiki may or may not be authoritative. Saw something like that on -dev last week. | 15:12 |
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| zns | I think specs and fluid docs go in the wiki. But once they're approved and locked in they get source-controlled. | 15:12 |
| caleb_ | zns: I like that. | 15:13 |
| jasonpgignac1 | So the wiki ends up being the edge docs, as it were? | 15:13 |
| gusmaskowitz | so 'definate' things in the code and ones that are being discussed in the wiki - once 'solid' we code them and add the link. | 15:13 |
| caleb_ | gusmaskowitz: +1 | 15:13 |
| gusmaskowitz | OK. | 15:13 |
| zns | jasonpgignac1: yes | 15:13 |
| gusmaskowitz | terminology is solid. = code. I'll ad. sorry. Am n00b | 15:14 |
| caleb_ | I feel like zns should break out #agreed | 15:14 |
| zns | Sounds like consensus. Any objections? | 15:14 |
| jasonpgignac1 | I'm good. | 15:14 |
| caleb_ | gusmaskowitz: nothing to apologize for. We didn't have a rule, now we do. Progress. | 15:14 |
| zns | #agreed Final docs (including developer docs) go in the code. The wiki is for works in progress and specs. | 15:14 |
| zns | samstav: update? | 15:15 |
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| samstav | First, ssh-module, then I'll go over ohai-solo. The latter will depend on the ssh module | 15:15 |
| zns | You had an action item: catch exceptions in CLI so we don't stack trace | 15:16 |
| samstav | ssh-module blueprint | 15:16 |
| samstav | Yeah I did. But after some thought I felt it wasn't a high priority. No update re: exceptions in CLI | 15:16 |
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| zns | samstav: OK. Do you want to move it to next week or drop it from your list? | 15:17 |
| samstav | Drop it. | 15:17 |
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| zns | OK. I think we still need to get it done. I can take it. | 15:17 |
| zns | #action zns catch exceptions in CLI so we don't stack trace (consider --debug mode allowing exceptions through to allow for debugging) + blueprint | 15:18 |
| zns | My update... | 15:18 |
| zns | samstav actually started working on the ssh module (we pairs on the design). That's a prerequisite for the individual modules. So I'll carry the action item forward as it is not complete. | 15:19 |
| zns | #action zns implement plugins own establishing the connection to start with, but we provide a built-in ssh module that they can use | 15:19 |
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| zns | Any comments on Templated Output? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/79098/ | 15:21 |
| zns | FYI - I can't seem to set the topic... | 15:21 |
| zns | #topic Templated Output | 15:21 |
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| zns | There it is... | 15:21 |
| caleb_ | I haven't reviewed the code yet but the spec is rock solid, IMO. | 15:22 |
| walker_ | Agreed | 15:22 |
| jasonpgignac1 | I think its a good first step, yes. | 15:22 |
| walker_ | Templating is the way to go | 15:22 |
| caleb_ | can we get some folks assigned to following up on the review? | 15:23 |
| gusmaskowitz | please forgive me but I need to go. Have a great one. | 15:23 |
| zns | Volunteers? | 15:23 |
| zns | Bye gusmaskowitz - thanks for joining. | 15:23 |
| jasonpgignac1 | I can review. I need to get in so I can doc the submission process et al, anyway. | 15:23 |
| walker_ | I can review | 15:23 |
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| zns | OK. I like having more than one reviewer. | 15:24 |
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| zns | #action walker_ jasonpgignac1 to review Templated Output | 15:24 |
| zns | Everything is awesome (Lego movie song). Next topic | 15:24 |
| zns | #topic SSH Modue (blueprint + spec) | 15:24 |
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| zns | Any comments on it? samstav - did you have something you wanted to add/comment on it? | 15:25 |
| samstav | no | 15:25 |
| zns | I think the spec is solid (not just because I helped write it)... | 15:26 |
| zns | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori/SSHModuleProposal | 15:26 |
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| zns | If ya'll could take a look at the spec because it starts to expose a python API for satori. | 15:26 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Looking... | 15:27 |
| zns | from satori import ssh | 15:27 |
| zns | and such... | 15:27 |
| jasonpgignac1 | In the long term, do we need to add an optino to open a persistent session to send multiple commands? | 15:27 |
| samstav | zns and I were debating about whether to have too many instance attributes to cover the host credentials AND the proxy credentials | 15:27 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Perhaps also, if possible to do other ssh functions like scp? | 15:28 |
| samstav | or to allow two dictionaries to be passed to the object when initializing | 15:28 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Two dicts. | 15:28 |
| jasonpgignac1 | That way it is clearer hwat is fro the proxy | 15:28 |
| zns | jasonpgignac1: I think so, but we didn't have the need yet. We have actual use cases for what's implemented already (i.e. types of creeds and proxy) | 15:28 |
| jasonpgignac1 | OK. | 15:29 |
| zns | OK. Next topic... | 15:29 |
| zns | #topic ohai-solo blueprint | 15:29 |
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| zns | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori/OhaiSolo | 15:30 |
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| samstav | I think this one might need some thought work for implementation | 15:31 |
| zns | It does depend on the ssh module being implemented. | 15:31 |
| samstav | Should a sys info provider module/plugin only expose one method? | 15:31 |
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| jasonpgignac1 | Would this spec need to include the ability to install custom ohai modules? Or are we assuming that because its integrated with ohai solo? | 15:32 |
| zns | Do we need more than one method? What's the story for that. | 15:32 |
| samstav | According to this WIP | 15:32 |
| samstav | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori/SystemInfoProposal | 15:32 |
| caleb_ | walker_ and I discussed that | 15:33 |
| caleb_ | we landed on doing a very loose implementation where the sysinfo module is called and can do whatever it wants | 15:33 |
| samstav | There is one method explicitly described. With the choice to build-in ohai-solo support, it's going to be important to do version management (which will be system dependent) on the remotes | 15:33 |
| caleb_ | including making SSH connections, installing software, etc. | 15:33 |
| zns | jasonpgignac1: we have the blueprint for selecting one of many sysinfo plugins. Are you talking about how to configure one of them (ex. ohai-solo) to select different plugins? | 15:34 |
| caleb_ | and if we find a common pattern we can create a spec out of that | 15:34 |
| samstav | caleb_ ack | 15:34 |
| caleb_ | but until we have the first implementation, lets not create a bunch of rules. | 15:34 |
| jasonpgignac1 | zns: It would seem to me that the addition of sysinfo plugins woudl be specific to the method of looking up sysinfo, yes? | 15:34 |
| zns | +1 - We wait on the interface until we have an implementation to look at. | 15:35 |
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| jasonpgignac1 | zns: So we'd need a spec on adding sysinfo to Ohai-Solo, one for Ansible, etc, etc, etc. | 15:35 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Or do I misunderstand? I woudl not be surprised if I do. | 15:35 |
| zns | jasonpgignac1: sorry, I don't think I understand... | 15:36 |
| samstav | jasonpgignac1 I see what you're getting at. I have questions about that. Are you anticipating a fundamentally different set of methods exposed depending on what kind of sys info provider we have? | 15:36 |
| samstav | whether its a package, or a script, or an ansible playbook? | 15:36 |
| jasonpgignac1 | samstav: Yes, that's what I mean. Somewhere there must be a spec on... | 15:36 |
| zns | jasonpgignac1: are you talking about how one implements a new plugin? | 15:36 |
| walker_ | I feel that the plugins should be independent. They can do whatever they want as long as they return data in a format we expect | 15:37 |
| zns | +1 walker_ | 15:37 |
| walker_ | therefore, it shouldn't matter how they are written | 15:37 |
| walker_ | and keeps the system agnostic | 15:37 |
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| zns | And I think what follows is that the interface is really simple... especially to get started... | 15:37 |
| caleb_ | walker_: +1 | 15:37 |
| jasonpgignac1 | walker: I amfine with that, except that if we are using three different plugins that use three different providers, that seems problematic? | 15:37 |
| walker_ | We can provide modules for plugins to use (like ssh, etc.) | 15:37 |
| walker_ | why is that problematic | 15:38 |
| jasonpgignac1 | I may be misunderstanding, thoguh, and will be glad to be educated offline. | 15:38 |
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| zns | jasonpgignac1: what are providers? | 15:38 |
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| samstav | thanks everyone. that helps. I think I've got enough to produce an implementation | 15:38 |
| caleb_ | jasonpgignac1: I propose that we think about writing rules and structure when we have three different modules. | 15:38 |
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| jasonpgignac1 | caleb_: OK. I'm fine with that. | 15:38 |
| zns | jasonpgignac1: OK with deferring this conversation then? | 15:39 |
| samstav | zns I have unofficially been referring to our sys info plugins as sys info providers. that terminology could be debated | 15:39 |
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| samstav | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori/glossary#SysInfo_Provider | 15:40 |
| zns | samstav: thanks. | 15:40 |
| jasonpgignac1 | zns: Yes, I'm good. | 15:40 |
| zns | jasonpgignac1: cool | 15:40 |
| zns | Any pending comments/questions about ohai-solo? | 15:41 |
| samstav | one comment | 15:41 |
| samstav | just want to (again) say +1 to walker_ for the work on ohai-solo, and that all the support docs for our use in Satori I have linked to those repositories READMEs | 15:42 |
| zns | +1 walker_ rocks | 15:42 |
| walker_ | :) thanks for the feels samstav | 15:42 |
| samstav | 👏 | 15:43 |
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| zns | We have about 15 minutes left. I'd like to propose a topic: terminology for "providers"... | 15:43 |
| caleb_ | lets do it | 15:43 |
| zns | Any other topics to add? | 15:43 |
| zns | OK. | 15:43 |
| zns | #topic terminology for providers | 15:43 |
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| zns | To start, we have documented the Data Plane and Control Plane concepts. | 15:44 |
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| zns | We're going to have "things" that do Control Plane discovery - the nova code we have today is one. | 15:44 |
| zns | The sys info plugins are "things" that do Data Plane discovery. | 15:45 |
| zns | In the end, all those "things" are similar. jasonpgignac1 and samstav have called them providers. Any thoughts on that name or alternatives? | 15:45 |
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| jasonpgignac1 | Are providers the individual plugins? I thoguht they were the shared frameworks by which data coudl be gathered. | 15:46 |
| zns | I personally like "sensors". Mainly because it is unique within OpenStack... | 15:46 |
| samstav | at first I just needed something to call them. So I started saying sys info providers. but the term "provider" is kinda already taken in the cloud world | 15:46 |
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| jasonpgignac1 | So, like, 'Ohai' would be a provider. | 15:46 |
| jasonpgignac1 | But then we'd have a plugin that woudl use ohai to gather data about, say, php? | 15:46 |
| walker_ | zns: I can be onboard with sensors | 15:46 |
| jasonpgignac1 | But this may be my ignorance speaking again. | 15:47 |
| samstav | so if we were to use provider we would need to explicitly say sys info provider or _____ provider | 15:47 |
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| samstav | I like sensor because of the word sensor. but I think it underestimates what these "things" do | 15:47 |
| samstav | or underdefines | 15:48 |
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| zns | One place where I see this being exposed to the world is in our landing/hoe page for users. I think we should start listing the list "things" we discover. Somewhere there we would probably have a list of "sensors" and what their capabilities are. | 15:48 |
| zns | "Gatherers" is another. Collectors also. | 15:48 |
| samstav | Assessor ? | 15:49 |
| zns | Tax Ausitor! | 15:49 |
| samstav | yissss | 15:49 |
| zns | Auditor... | 15:49 |
| jasonpgignac1 | analysts | 15:49 |
| samstav | sleuth | 15:49 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Or inquisitors | 15:49 |
| jasonpgignac1 | I like Inquisitors. But, then, I have bad taste. | 15:49 |
| zns | I propose we find a name associated with socially likable terms... | 15:50 |
| samstav | agreed | 15:50 |
| caleb_ | TSA agents? | 15:50 |
| samstav | and < 4 syllables unless two words | 15:50 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Oh, thinks are gettin' dangerous in here. | 15:50 |
| zns | feelers | 15:50 |
| samstav | +1 feelers | 15:50 |
| samstav | no, seriously. | 15:50 |
| caleb_ | I don't have much to add in the way of naming. I'm good with whatever you folks settle on. | 15:51 |
| samstav | so…. SysInfo Providers ? | 15:51 |
| zns | boooooring.. | 15:51 |
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| walker_ | jasonpgignac1 will have a good name for them in about an hour | 15:51 |
| walker_ | I like collector, for what it is worth | 15:52 |
| zns | I'll start a wiki page for suggestions and let's stew on it. We might have to live with the name for a long while... | 15:52 |
| samstav | sounds good | 15:53 |
| zns | #action zns Create wiki page for naming suggestions. | 15:53 |
| jasonpgignac1 | probes | 15:53 |
| zns | Any other topics, parting thoughts? | 15:53 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Oh, too late | 15:53 |
| zns | +/- 1 for probes... | 15:53 |
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| caleb_ | zns: I think the implementations that we're doing now will get us close to a userlist announcement | 15:53 |
| caleb_ | and I'm excited about that | 15:54 |
| samstav | ASCII multi-tier topologies before any announcements! | 15:54 |
| zns | caleb_: agreed. Once these land the value we provide starts to show. | 15:55 |
| samstav | jk. | 15:55 |
| caleb_ | samstav: :) | 15:55 |
| zns | OK. Thank you all! | 15:55 |
| zns | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 10 15:55:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-03-10-15.00.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-03-10-15.00.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-03-10-15.00.log.html | 15:55 |
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| sarob_ | Reminder that training-manuals meeting at 10am pst | 16:04 |
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| colinmcnamara | thx | 16:09 |
| colinmcnamara | sarob_: time change is screwing with my world | 16:10 |
| colinmcnamara | why does america / california have to make life so hard | 16:10 |
| colinmcnamara | ? | 16:10 |
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| sarob_ | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 10 17:02:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:02 |
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| colinmcnamara | colin here | 17:02 |
| sarob_ | roll call | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hi all | 17:02 |
| colinmcnamara | Colin McNamara present | 17:02 |
| sarob_ | hello hello | 17:03 |
| sarob_ | so last weeks stuff | 17:04 |
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| sarob_ | #action followup on last week's action items | 17:05 |
| sarob_ | oops | 17:05 |
| sarob_ | try that again | 17:05 |
| sarob_ | #topic action items from last week | 17:05 |
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| sarob_ | ACTION: matjazp look into moodle authentication (dguitarbite, 17:15:50) | 17:06 |
| sarob_ | ACTION: dguitarbite: host moodle on infra by 10th March (dguitarbite, 17:16:34) | 17:06 |
| sarob_ | ACTION: smemon92 burn some trello cards for developer guide (dguitarbite, 17:19:18) | 17:06 |
| matjazp | I looked at Moodle Launchpad integration | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | It doesn't look good - very old plugins, for old Moodle versions and even these are for OpenID Providers, not consumers. We need it the other way around - Launchpad is OpenID provider, Moodle is OpenID consumer | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | There might be a way: Launchpad and Ubuntu One (formerly Ubuntu SSO) have the same identity database | 17:08 |
| sarob_ | matjazp: how would like work? | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | Ubuntu One supports OAuth2, and so does Moodle 2.6 | 17:09 |
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| sarob_ | matjazp: so OAuth2 token could be shared? | 17:11 |
| matjazp | yes, I think so | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | sarob: but I would have to check | 17:12 |
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| sarob_ | matjazp: okay | 17:12 |
| sarob_ | matjazp: you guys are just using your own moodle auth? | 17:13 |
| matjazp | Sarob: we use LDAP | 17:13 |
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| matjazp | sarob: and all other admins with Moodle instalations use it too - Uni environment I guess | 17:14 |
| sarob_ | #link http://docs.moodle.org/23/en/Google_OAuth_2.0_setup | 17:14 |
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| matjazp | If that won't work, I believe coding an OpenID plugin is too much hassle... Alternative is to drop Moodle and use alternative LMS (Learning Management System) | 17:15 |
| sarob_ | matjazp: this seems to be moodle 2.3 config | 17:15 |
| sarob_ | matjazp: for oauth2 | 17:15 |
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| matjazp | https://moodle.org/plugins/browse.php?list=set&id=40 here it says it works for 2.5, I'm counting they didnt drop support for 2.6 | 17:16 |
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| sarob_ | matjazp: cool | 17:16 |
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| sarob_ | dguitarbite or smemon92 here? | 17:17 |
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| sarob_ | matjazp: i thinking with a bit more research this is a dguitarbite and openstack infra | 17:18 |
| sarob_ | matjazp: collaboration on figuring out how to make this work | 17:18 |
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| sarob_ | mordred around? | 17:18 |
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| matjazp | sarob: yes, we spoke about this with dguitarbite last week | 17:19 |
| sarob_ | matjazp: i talked to mordred about hosting moodle. he is for it. | 17:19 |
| sarob_ | matjazp: we probably want to start bring him into the discussion on | 17:20 |
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| sarob_ | matjazp: implementation since he is interested and will have to support | 17:20 |
| sarob_ | matjazp: sound good? | 17:20 |
| matjazp | sarob: I just have to check if this OAuth2 route is feasible and if it is, we're good. If not... well... better to drop Moodle than to code and support our auth plugin | 17:21 |
| matjazp | sarob: sure | 17:21 |
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| sarob_ | okay, im not married to moodle, just to using online testing | 17:21 |
| sarob_ | moving on... | 17:22 |
| sarob_ | dguitarbite or smemon92 here? | 17:22 |
| sarob_ | #topic developer guide progress | 17:23 |
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| colinmcnamara | I got message | 17:23 |
| colinmcnamara | err, I got info | 17:24 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: fire away | 17:24 |
| colinmcnamara | cool | 17:25 |
| colinmcnamara | so, I created an outline for the 3 day labs | 17:25 |
| colinmcnamara | updated in the gdocs, and created cards around them | 17:25 |
| colinmcnamara | fundementaly it is a guided application build that starts consuming key services from openstack | 17:26 |
| colinmcnamara | so, this weekend, I went through a workshop from the django foundation and OpenHatch | 17:26 |
| colinmcnamara | on building apps with django | 17:26 |
| colinmcnamara | and had an epiphanie | 17:26 |
| colinmcnamara | that we can use a lightweight django web framwork | 17:26 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: i never had an elephant | 17:26 |
| colinmcnamara | autocorrect? | 17:26 |
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| colinmcnamara | I've played tug of war with an elephant | 17:27 |
| colinmcnamara | anyways | 17:27 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: sorry keep going | 17:27 |
| colinmcnamara | since the openstack dashboard is written in python.django | 17:27 |
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| * sarob_ thoughts bleeding over | 17:27 | |
| colinmcnamara | and we have a pre-req of python skils (learnpythonthehardway), upstream uni | 17:27 |
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| colinmcnamara | that I am going to write the 3 day lab as an django app that can be consumed as a module in horizon | 17:27 |
| colinmcnamara | https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.6/intro/tutorial01/ | 17:28 |
| colinmcnamara | basically we went through this guide | 17:28 |
| colinmcnamara | btw, the format that they used was great | 17:29 |
| colinmcnamara | pair programming, switching at sections (6 sections) | 17:29 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: great experience | 17:29 |
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| colinmcnamara | with mentors floating around with special hats on | 17:29 |
| colinmcnamara | and stickers | 17:29 |
| colinmcnamara | and then you as a student | 17:29 |
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| colinmcnamara | put a big red post it on your laptop when you needed help | 17:29 |
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| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: so this would give the student a good knowledge of openstack api | 17:30 |
| colinmcnamara | paulproteus was there helping | 17:30 |
| colinmcnamara | yeah | 17:30 |
| colinmcnamara | it would | 17:30 |
| colinmcnamara | because horizon already consumes each API | 17:30 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: or how to code against one set of horizon api | 17:30 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: hmm, okay | 17:30 |
| colinmcnamara | so, we can basically point to the horizon code as example reference code | 17:30 |
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| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: interesting, i had not though of that | 17:30 |
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| colinmcnamara | so, at the end, not only will a dev have experience building on these api's | 17:30 |
| colinmcnamara | they will have checked out the horizon repo as example code to pull from | 17:31 |
| colinmcnamara | ;) | 17:31 |
| colinmcnamara | booyah | 17:31 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: sweet | 17:31 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: so you did have an elephant | 17:31 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 17:31 |
| colinmcnamara | this weekend was very valuable | 17:31 |
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| colinmcnamara | #info #openhatch is the channel that the organizers hang out on | 17:32 |
| colinmcnamara | if we need to ping them | 17:32 |
| matjazp | colinmcnamara: so that django app inside Horizon would talk to different OpenStack components? Or what it would do? | 17:32 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: sounds great | 17:32 |
| colinmcnamara | @asheesh was the local guy. Debian dev, works at eventbrite, really cool and is up for grabbing coffee | 17:32 |
| colinmcnamara | to be clear. An app, that is written in a modular format | 17:33 |
| colinmcnamara | that could, if we wanted to extend be loaded into the horizon framework | 17:33 |
| colinmcnamara | each "tile" in horizon is actually a standalone app | 17:33 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: so would this blend into the participation days? | 17:33 |
| colinmcnamara | possibly | 17:33 |
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| colinmcnamara | I think it would at least soften the handoff | 17:34 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: seems that we should switch the order | 17:34 |
| colinmcnamara | maybe | 17:34 |
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| colinmcnamara | honestly, I'm not sure | 17:34 |
| colinmcnamara | so.. real world measurement | 17:34 |
| colinmcnamara | after this django course | 17:34 |
| colinmcnamara | my next step was grabbing a horizon bug | 17:34 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: i like the developer django course | 17:34 |
| colinmcnamara | I was mulling in my mind | 17:34 |
| colinmcnamara | as OpenStack moves down from web operator to enterprise | 17:35 |
| colinmcnamara | stupid little stuff like changing logo's layouts | 17:35 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: teaching all openstack API in practical example | 17:35 |
| colinmcnamara | integrating ticketing systems into windows | 17:35 |
| colinmcnamara | is necessary | 17:35 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 17:35 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: i like this alot | 17:35 |
| colinmcnamara | sean likes huh? | 17:35 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: sean likes | 17:35 |
| colinmcnamara | :) | 17:35 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: and sarob | 17:35 |
| colinmcnamara | i'm fucking exhausted, but inspired | 17:35 |
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| colinmcnamara | I'm torched this week | 17:36 |
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| colinmcnamara | my method | 17:36 |
| colinmcnamara | going to squash some bugs on horizon | 17:36 |
| colinmcnamara | so I make sure I actually learned this stuff | 17:36 |
| colinmcnamara | and to get some cred with their team | 17:36 |
| colinmcnamara | and then put together the framework | 17:37 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: wont an offline horizon controlled workshop be best? | 17:37 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: repeated code | 17:37 |
| colinmcnamara | possibly | 17:37 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: best for trainers | 17:37 |
| colinmcnamara | I don't think I know enough to make a recommendation | 17:37 |
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| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: if we are building an trainer ci pipeline | 17:37 |
| colinmcnamara | yeah, let me noodle on that | 17:38 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: then static git clones would be easy to support | 17:38 |
| colinmcnamara | so, where I am at right now | 17:38 |
| colinmcnamara | sorry, we are bouncing around | 17:38 |
| colinmcnamara | I didn't eat today | 17:38 |
| colinmcnamara | well, I had 8 almonds | 17:38 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: this is great, i happy | 17:38 |
| colinmcnamara | and 4 cups of coffee | 17:38 |
| colinmcnamara | so, I have outland and team | 17:38 |
| colinmcnamara | refactoring denicacloud | 17:39 |
| colinmcnamara | to split out the core ci components | 17:39 |
| colinmcnamara | and puppetized install of the cloud components | 17:39 |
| colinmcnamara | so we can upstream that | 17:39 |
| colinmcnamara | and include | 17:39 |
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| colinmcnamara | and I'll have second repo, with a bunch of checkpoints / release tags | 17:39 |
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| colinmcnamara | for each module as I build this | 17:39 |
| colinmcnamara | and then that repo can be included in the training toolkit | 17:40 |
| colinmcnamara | make sense? | 17:40 |
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| colinmcnamara | so, basically if the glass got to section 4, but a trainee was stuck on 3 | 17:41 |
| colinmcnamara | they could just merge from release branch X into their mainline and move forward | 17:41 |
| colinmcnamara | errr branch-x into their origin/master and move forward | 17:41 |
| colinmcnamara | Git Game - http://pcottle.github.io/learnGitBranching/ | 17:42 |
| colinmcnamara | also, probably going to need to throw this in there | 17:42 |
| colinmcnamara | or assume that it was coverd elsewhere | 17:42 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: sounds like great ideas | 17:43 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 17:43 |
| colinmcnamara | actions I'm working on | 17:44 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: when can we brainstorm on refactoring this? | 17:44 |
| colinmcnamara | so | 17:44 |
| colinmcnamara | let me merge a bug or two | 17:44 |
| colinmcnamara | just to make sure I cement this stuff | 17:44 |
| colinmcnamara | and then we can have that converseation | 17:44 |
| colinmcnamara | tues-thursday I'm on lockdown | 17:44 |
| colinmcnamara | so, the refactor may push to next week | 17:44 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: so early afternoon today? | 17:45 |
| colinmcnamara | ? | 17:45 |
| colinmcnamara | if you saw my calendar, you would have a nervous breakdown | 17:45 |
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| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: okay, well just dump your thoughts into the gdoc | 17:45 |
| colinmcnamara | I will | 17:46 |
| colinmcnamara | maybe later tonight actually | 17:46 |
| colinmcnamara | let's see how the day goes | 17:46 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: ill keep working on the participation part | 17:46 |
| colinmcnamara | this week is going to suck for me | 17:46 |
| colinmcnamara | just FYI | 17:46 |
| sarob_ | colinmcnamara: okay | 17:46 |
| colinmcnamara | as in hard to get hold of colin | 17:46 |
| colinmcnamara | because he isn't sleeping | 17:46 |
| sarob_ | #topic any other business | 17:47 |
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| sarob_ | #action bring mordred into the moodle Oauth2 discussion majtazp and dguitarbite | 17:48 |
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| sarob_ | #action colinmcnamara is working on django lab for developer API in depth days | 17:49 |
| sarob_ | so i will bring this to close | 17:49 |
| sarob_ | 11 minutes back | 17:49 |
| sarob_ | cheers! | 17:50 |
| matjazp | bye | 17:50 |
| colinmcnamara | cheers | 17:50 |
| sarob_ | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 10 17:50:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-03-10-17.02.html | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-03-10-17.02.txt | 17:50 |
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| jraim | #startmeeting barbican | 18:57 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 10 18:57:47 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jraim. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:57 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 18:57 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 18:57 |
| jraim | hi all | 18:57 |
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| jraim | who is here for the barbican meeting? | 18:58 |
| jvrbanac | o/ | 18:58 |
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| jraim | ha, okay...let's give people some time to get in :) | 18:58 |
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| dstufft | o/ | 18:58 |
| lisaclark | o/ | 18:59 |
| woodster2 | o/ | 18:59 |
| chadlung | 0/ | 18:59 |
| jvrbanac | there we go | 18:59 |
| jvrbanac | :) | 18:59 |
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| jraim | everyone shows up at once | 18:59 |
| jraim | chadlung: has a large head for some reason | 19:00 |
| jraim | 0/ o/ | 19:00 |
| chadlung | I was abducted by greys, they increased my brain power ;-) | 19:00 |
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| jraim | hgedikli_: hgedikli atiwari | 19:00 |
| jraim | you guys around | 19:00 |
| hgedikli | yes | 19:01 |
| atiwari | yes | 19:01 |
| jraim | okay, this is probably the crew for today | 19:01 |
| jraim | so a quick updated on our incubation | 19:01 |
| jraim | we have gotten the necessary votes to get incubated | 19:01 |
| jraim | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77647/ | 19:01 |
| jraim | yay us! | 19:01 |
| hgedikli | awesome!!! | 19:01 |
| jraim | so we just need to wait for ttx to get back from vacation to merge it | 19:01 |
| lisaclark | woohoo! go barbicaneers! | 19:02 |
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| jraim | unless he is paying attention for some reason and wants to do it now :) | 19:02 |
| jraim | there might be a small discussion about barbican at the TC meeting tomorrow, but we should be good to go | 19:02 |
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| jraim | the only major tasks for us right now are: | 19:02 |
| jraim | * Tempest testing in the gate | 19:02 |
| jraim | * KDS / Kite integration (e.g. movign them over from keystone) | 19:02 |
| jraim | * Moving to Pecan / WSME if it is decided it is a stanard | 19:03 |
| jraim | so not too much at the moment | 19:03 |
| jraim | as we are waiting to see what the deal is for Pecan | 19:03 |
| jraim | so that's my update, what else do we want to talk about | 19:03 |
| chadlung | I think Vrbanac and I have figured out the Tempest issues (which a uWSGI thing) | 19:04 |
| jraim | hgedikli: I saw the docs that you put up for containers...we'll take a look at those | 19:04 |
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| jraim | chadlung: oh good | 19:04 |
| jvrbanac | chadlung, agreed. We just need to merge in our changes for uwsgi | 19:04 |
| hgedikli | jraim : is there any work on your side about certs or dogtag integration? | 19:04 |
| chadlung | Would be a small modification to the DEvStack script (Barbican repo) and then addingback Vrbanac's code | 19:04 |
| jraim | hgedikli: we are working on extending the orders api to allow for ssl | 19:05 |
| jraim | and I've seen the work that alee did for dogtag | 19:05 |
| jraim | I think the next step on that is for them to build the plugin, which seems like it will be pretty easy | 19:05 |
| jraim | we still have the key wrapping work on our plate | 19:06 |
| hgedikli | build the plugin for dogtag? | 19:06 |
| jraim | but that hasn't been started yet | 19:06 |
| jraim | yes | 19:06 |
| jraim | so there is a python lib to talk with dogtag now | 19:06 |
| atiwari | jarim, no rush but looking for your feedback on link:https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/secret-isolation-at-user-level too | 19:06 |
| jraim | to finish integrating it into barbican, we just need to implement the plugin api in barbican so that it uses that lib | 19:06 |
| atiwari | based on some agreement I have to start some POC | 19:06 |
| hgedikli | do we have a generic interface defined for certs? something like i was thinking we can implement and each plugin would implement the same interface and they would know how to talk to dogtag, or openssl or something else | 19:07 |
| jraim | atiwari: great, I'll take another look | 19:07 |
| jraim | hgedikli: I think the current plan is to extend orders to accept an order for an SSL cert | 19:07 |
| jraim | that is generic | 19:07 |
| jraim | based on the type of cert requested, barbican will route that request to the correct plugin for fulfillment | 19:07 |
| hgedikli | i see | 19:08 |
| jraim | so if you ask for a cert from a public CA, you'll get symantec, but an internal CA would get routed to dogtag, etc. | 19:08 |
| jraim | someone correct me if I'm wrong about that | 19:08 |
| chadlung | jraim: that sounds correct | 19:08 |
| jraim | I don't think we've documented the json yet, but I think that would be the next step | 19:09 |
| atiwari | hgedikli this is how API wd look link:https://gist.github.com/jfwood/9080109 | 19:09 |
| jraim | throw up what an order for SSL woudl look like in an etherpad or whatever and we can all take a swing at it | 19:09 |
| atiwari | for cert | 19:09 |
| jraim | oh right, forgot that was up | 19:09 |
| jraim | so we need to vet that a bit and polish it | 19:10 |
| hgedikli | atiwari : for cert it's TBD | 19:10 |
| chadlung | jraim: we are planning to flush out more of the flow, etc and then put it up for public review | 19:10 |
| jraim | chadlung: cool | 19:10 |
| hgedikli | ok sounds good | 19:10 |
| atiwari | correct , cert is in phase 2 | 19:10 |
| atiwari | mentioned in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/api-orders-add-more-types | 19:10 |
| hgedikli | i'll be working on the event/notification part | 19:10 |
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| jraim | hgedikli: great | 19:11 |
| jraim | do you have a BP up for that yet? | 19:11 |
| jraim | we're interested in using the notifications for out of barbican processes like billing for ssl certs | 19:11 |
| hgedikli | not yet. hopefully i'll have it up this week | 19:12 |
| jraim | so we've got some thoughts on that one too | 19:12 |
| jraim | great | 19:12 |
| hgedikli | ok | 19:12 |
| atiwari | hgedikli, keystone has done some work on event notification . you may want to sync with it | 19:12 |
| hgedikli | atiwari : will take a look. thx | 19:12 |
| jraim | cool - anything else we want to talk about on the record before heading back to #openstack-barbican? | 19:13 |
| hgedikli | one more thing | 19:13 |
| jraim | go for it | 19:13 |
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| hgedikli | do we need to support updates to containers now? | 19:13 |
| hgedikli | what's the priority on that? | 19:14 |
| jraim | hgedikli: I think the plan was for them to be immutable | 19:14 |
| hgedikli | jraim : it was a temporary solution - we decided to support updates eventually | 19:14 |
| jraim | okay - I don't have a read on how important that is | 19:14 |
| jraim | what do we need it for? | 19:15 |
| hgedikli | one use case i see is that if u create a container with only your public key, and later want to add ur private key or passphrase, right nw it's not possibe | 19:15 |
| hgedikli | atiwari : do you need this functionality on your part? | 19:16 |
| jraim | right, you would need to create a new container with both | 19:16 |
| hgedikli | ok | 19:16 |
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| atiwari | hgedikli, what mutable container? | 19:16 |
| hgedikli | yes | 19:17 |
| atiwari | hgedikli, if you are asking for update container, then no | 19:17 |
| atiwari | I wd go with delete | 19:17 |
| hgedikli | ok sounds good. we'll leave it immutable then | 19:17 |
| atiwari | ok | 19:18 |
| jraim | great | 19:18 |
| jraim | anything else we shoudl cover? | 19:18 |
| atiwari | not from muside | 19:18 |
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| atiwari | my side | 19:18 |
| jraim | cool - back to #openstack-barbican | 19:18 |
| jraim | thanks all | 19:18 |
| jraim | #endmeeting | 19:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 10 19:18:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-03-10-18.57.html | 19:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-03-10-18.57.txt | 19:19 |
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