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| trinaths | Hi, Is this the IRC webchat for Openstack ML2 weekly meetings? please confirm | 11:53 |
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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 29 13:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
| baoli | Hi | 13:00 |
| irenab | hi | 13:00 |
| irenab | got notice from rkukura that he may late to the meeting | 13:00 |
| baoli | Let's chat then before he joins | 13:01 |
| irenab | sure | 13:01 |
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| irenab | I saw he pushed ML2 patch, will take a look soon | 13:01 |
| baoli | He said that he will send out an email about his work, did you see that yet? | 13:02 |
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| irenab | I saw the patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69783/ | 13:02 |
| irenab | still didn't had chance to review. All day with sick kid... | 13:03 |
| baoli | sorry to hear about that. | 13:03 |
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| irenab | thanks | 13:04 |
| baoli | I will take a look at the patch later | 13:04 |
| irenab | Are you ok with all nova pieces that need to be done? | 13:04 |
| baoli | Well, I put some comments in their wiki. To be honest, I'm not exactly sure | 13:04 |
| baoli | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PCI_passthrough_SRIOV_support | 13:05 |
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| irenab | I may miss something, but there is no nova related config on Controller node? | 13:05 |
| baoli | pci-flavor-attrs need to be there | 13:05 |
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| irenab | for short term, right? | 13:06 |
| sadasu | hi sorry I am late, are we discussing baoli's wiki? | 13:06 |
| baoli | even for longer term, I believe | 13:06 |
| baoli | sadasu, we're waiting for rkukura to join | 13:06 |
| sadasu | ok | 13:06 |
| baoli | before that, we just chat | 13:06 |
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| irenab | how can I find your comments? | 13:07 |
| baoli | irena, search for Robert | 13:07 |
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| irenab | baili: thanks, I see heyongli answered mostly all | 13:08 |
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| baoli | Hmm, some of my comments were missing | 13:11 |
| irenab | baoli: once see with rkukura what is the mechanism to propogate in and out neutron port attributes, I plan to make Mech Driver. If you need help on nova pieces, let me know | 13:12 |
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| irenab | for the neutron port attributes, we need to decide on format for PCI slot details that nova will set | 13:13 |
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| baoli | irenab, yea, we need to finalize that for sure. we should start email thread on those | 13:15 |
| baoli | irenab, I have a question for you regarding hw veb. Do you guys need this:<parameters managerid="11" typeid="1193047" typeidversion="2" instanceid="09b11c53-8b5c-4eeb-8f00-d84eaa0aaa4f"/> | 13:16 |
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| baoli | libvirt has them specifically for 802 1QBG | 13:16 |
| irenab | baoli: not we do not need it, only what I added in initial Google doc. | 13:17 |
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| baoli | so the vlan id should suffice? | 13:17 |
| irenab | baoli: yes | 13:17 |
| baoli | cool | 13:17 |
| irenab | baoli: great | 13:17 |
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| baoli | Hi rkukura | 13:18 |
| irenab | Hi Bob | 13:18 |
| rkukura | hi | 13:19 |
| baoli | I'd like to talk about the BPs | 13:19 |
| baoli | In addition to Yongli's BP that covers the generic PCI passthrough, we have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-request-vnic-type https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/pci-passthrough-sriov https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/pci-passthrough-sriov | 13:20 |
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| irenab | baoli: regarding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-request-vnic-type I will check with rkukura what is needed based on this patch | 13:21 |
| irenab | I will do if needed | 13:22 |
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| baoli | What exactly will be convered by this one? | 13:22 |
| irenab | I can take the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/pci-passthrough-sriov | 13:22 |
| baoli | Let's take it one by one | 13:22 |
| irenab | I thought to make separate patches | 13:23 |
| irenab | first, for vnic_Type support | 13:23 |
| baoli | ok, go ahead | 13:23 |
| baoli | is binding:profile covered by this BP? | 13:23 |
| irenab | I am not sure it fits well into profile, but anyway it seems quite separate from PCI details | 13:24 |
| irenab | neutron port maybe created before binding | 13:24 |
| rkukura | I'm not sure if implementing binding:profile for ML2 should be part of that, or a separate BP. | 13:24 |
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| irenab | rkukura: sorry, didn't looked at the patch you pushed. Does it cover the output params only? | 13:25 |
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| rkukura | irenab: Yes, that one is for output params, and I'm now favoring a single binding:vif_details attribute that is used for both VIF security and PCI | 13:26 |
| irenab | rkukura: sounds greate. | 13:26 |
| irenab | now we need a way to provide input params that I think quite different | 13:27 |
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| baoli | so ml2-request-vnic-type covers all the mech drivers to support the vnic-type. is this statement accurate? | 13:27 |
| irenab | One: vnic_type, Second: PCI device details | 13:27 |
| irenab | baoli: yes | 13:27 |
| rkukura | Want to get to decisions quickly on replacing binding:capabilities/binding:vif_security with binding:vif_details, and also on which approach for output params to use in ML2 | 13:27 |
| baoli | irenab, so the second BP covers binding:profile | 13:28 |
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| rkukura | So why should we not just implement binding:profile in ML2 and use it for all PCI input parameters? | 13:28 |
| irenab | baoli: yes | 13:28 |
| baoli | rkukura, would binding:profile available for non-ml2 plugins? | 13:29 |
| irenab | rkukura: the idea is to implement it for ML2, but I am not sure that vnic_type should be managed via binding:profile | 13:29 |
| rkukura | baoli: It already is for some | 13:29 |
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| rkukura | irenab: I'd like to understand why you aren't sure about making vnic_type a key in binding:profile? | 13:30 |
| baoli | rkukura, so the question is would the enhancment for PCI be available for non-ml2 plugins | 13:30 |
| irenab | baoli: any plugin that supports binding extenson and inherits PortBindingMixin can add DB table and store profile there | 13:30 |
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| irenab | baoli: it event adds more reasons to separate these two bp | 13:31 |
| baoli | Just trying to understand rkukura's question:why should we not just implement binding:profile in ML2 and use it for all PCI input parameters? | 13:31 |
| irenab | rkukura: seems the vnic_type should be managed on plugin level, sine port maybe created and not bound | 13:32 |
| rkukura | We certainly can go ahead and implement binding:profile in ML2, similar to what's in the PortBindingMixin I think, but with the bound MechanismDriver able to validate updates once bound. | 13:33 |
| irenab | so there will be no Mech Driver to handle it, but the vnic_type should be preserved | 13:33 |
| baoli | irenab, I second that | 13:33 |
| rkukura | The binding:profile would be persisted by ML2 in its port binding table. | 13:33 |
| irenab | rkukura: OK. | 13:34 |
| rkukura | binding:profile definitely would have to be preserved before/during/after binding | 13:34 |
| rkukura | otherwise it would not be very useful as an input parameter, right? | 13:34 |
| irenab | what level will be responsible to "understand" the profile content? | 13:35 |
| baoli | so vnic-type is one property in binding:profile? | 13:35 |
| rkukura | I'm just suggesting that if the port is bound, the bound MD can reject attempts to update binding:profile if those would invalidate the existing binding. | 13:35 |
| irenab | baoli: initialy I thought so, current not sure. But may take it offline to discuss with rkukura | 13:35 |
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| rkukura | baoli: That's what I've been advocating unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, which I'm happy to be convinced of. | 13:36 |
| irenab | rkukura: agree | 13:36 |
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| baoli | so non-ml2 plugin will check vmic-type in binding:profile to see if it can handle the port? | 13:38 |
| rkukura | Are there other input parameters for PCI-passthru/SR-IOV other than vnic_type, and if so, are we agreeing those belong in binding:profile? | 13:38 |
| irenab | rkukura: vnic_type is not specific for PCI | 13:39 |
| baoli | rkukura, vnic-type is introduced due to SRIOV | 13:39 |
| irenab | it maybe virtio/pci/mavtap | 13:39 |
| rkukura | baoli: Other plugins are monolithic - they really don't have to choose between multiple ways to bind the port like ML2 | 13:39 |
| baoli | But it has one value to cover the traditional port | 13:39 |
| irenab | rkukure: actually Mellanox plugin already supports two (pci/macvtap) | 13:40 |
| baoli | rkukura, I understand that | 13:40 |
| irenab | baoli: do you need this to work for Plugin too, not only in scope of ML2? | 13:40 |
| rkukura | baoli: So can monolithic plugins simply ignore a vnic_type that happens to be present in binding:profile? | 13:41 |
| baoli | irenab, I don't need it now. | 13:41 |
| rkukura | If the argument is to make vnic_type a top-level attribute so that all plugins that implement the extension are required to understand/enforce it, then how is this different than other data that may be put into binding:profile? | 13:42 |
| irenab | rkukura: in scope of ML2 what flow would you suggest to handle vnic_type across the listed Mech. Drivers? | 13:43 |
| irenab | I wanted to avoid changing existing Mech. Drivers | 13:44 |
| baoli | rkukura, in my mind binding:profile includes the following info: PCI slot information including vendor_id/product_id, port profileid, pci flavor if any | 13:44 |
| rkukura | irenab: Each MD capable of binding would look for vnic_type in binding:profile, and if present, take it into consideration when deciding whether/how to bind. | 13:44 |
| baoli | Looks like that we need to take this offline | 13:45 |
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| baoli | But do we agree that we need a new BP to cover binding:profile? | 13:45 |
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| rkukura | baoli: That all makes sense to me, and it seems we need binding:profile in ML2 then. | 13:45 |
| irenab | baoli: I can rework the already registered for vnic_type | 13:46 |
| rkukura | I think this should be a new generic BP for ML2, independent of PCI specific, which I'm happy to write/submit today. | 13:46 |
| baoli | rkukura, I'm confused. binding:profile is needed in ML2 | 13:46 |
| rkukura | baoli: You just convinced me of that, for "PCI slot information including vendor_id/product_id, port profileid, pci flavor if any" | 13:47 |
| baoli | rkukura, you made it sound like that i's only needed by ml2 | 13:47 |
| irenab | so we have: 1. generic ML2 support for binding:profile - rkukura | 13:47 |
| rkukura | So whether we end up putting vnic_type in binding:profile or making it a separate top level attribute, binding:profile needs to be implemented, right? | 13:48 |
| irenab | 2. support ML vnic_type | 13:48 |
| baoli | rkukura, agreed | 13:48 |
| irenab | 3. support PCI slot via profile | 13:48 |
| irenab | rkukura: agree | 13:48 |
| irenab | all 3 make sense? | 13:48 |
| rkukura | irenab: I think so, but not 100% clear on what you mean by "ML" in #2 | 13:49 |
| baoli | irenab, what is 2? | 13:49 |
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| irenab | add vnic_type support for binding Mech Drivers in ML2 plugin | 13:49 |
| irenab | this is for (2) | 13:50 |
| baoli | what is 3? | 13:50 |
| irenab | baoli: support for PCI slot info via binding:profile | 13:51 |
| rkukura | irenab: I think #2 would cover either of the two options (top-level and binding:profile key), right? | 13:51 |
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| irenab | rkukua: right, but if you are OK with doing it via profile, it even works without changing neutron client | 13:51 |
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| irenab | rkukura: in addition to key it should be managed by Mech. Drivers | 13:52 |
| baoli | irenab, confused. I thought binding:profile support would include the pci info, therefore a BP to cover it. A BP to cover its use in ML2. And then the question about vnic-type | 13:52 |
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| rkukura | irenab: "works without changing neutron client" is an advantage. The disadvantage of doing #2 with binding:profile as I understand it is that the value might be ignored rather than enforced by some plugins. | 13:53 |
| irenab | rkukura: I think you right | 13:53 |
| baoli | rkukura, in that case, does it matter for vnic-type in the top-level or in binding:profile? | 13:54 |
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| irenab | baoli: for SRIOV we have more one Mech Driver, so thought we need some generic utils/level to deal with common part | 13:55 |
| rkukura | I'd like two see two BPs regarding these input port attributes: One generic covering implementing binding:profile in ML2, and one specific to PCI-passthru, defining the vnic-type (wherever it goes) and any keys for binding:profile. | 13:55 |
| baoli | irenab, ok | 13:55 |
| irenab | rkukura: so you are taking the first one, for generic part? | 13:56 |
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| rkukura | For ML2, if vnic_type is a key in binding:profile, I think we'd implement code in the AgentMechanismDriver base class that checks to make sure vnic_type is virtio or empty, and not bind if it is anything else. | 13:57 |
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| rkukura | irenab: I'm happy to take the generic binding:profile implementation for ML2 | 13:58 |
| irenab | still not sure that need to mix vnic_type with pci, but never mind | 13:58 |
| irenab | rkukura: what about not AgentMechDrivers that can bind? | 13:58 |
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| baoli | time's up. Shall we resume tomorrow? | 13:58 |
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| rkukura | They should each also look at vnic_type as well | 13:58 |
| irenab | baoli: seems so | 13:58 |
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| rkukura | I can be here tomorrow at the scheduled time | 13:59 |
| baoli | ok, sounds good. | 13:59 |
| baoli | thanks everyone | 13:59 |
| rkukura | bye | 13:59 |
| irenab | rkukura: can we chat a little bit to progress with vnic)type/pci? | 13:59 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 29 13:59:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-01-29-13.00.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-01-29-13.00.txt | 13:59 |
| rkukura | yes, but I've got another meeting right now I think - will ping you | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-01-29-13.00.log.html | 13:59 |
| * annegentle waves | 13:59 | |
| irenab | rkukura: ok | 14:00 |
| annegentle | just looking at the agenda now ... | 14:00 |
| annegentle | was distracted by sprinting! | 14:00 |
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| annegentle | ok shall we go ahead | 14:01 |
| * AJaeger waves back | 14:01 | |
| annegentle | #startmeeting DocTeamMeeting | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 29 14:01:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 14:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteammeeting' | 14:01 |
| annegentle | Thanks AJaeger for adding the style guide to the agenda, woot | 14:01 |
| annegentle | #topic Action items from last meeting | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 14:01 | |
| * annegentle scurries to look | 14:01 | |
| annegentle | Ok, so the Actions were all about getting started on the separate Networking guide | 14:02 |
| annegentle | Looks like Nick isn't here, does Sam-I-Am or Edgar have any update to report? | 14:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | that and probably fixing the install guide | 14:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | we're meeting again on friday | 14:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | for some reason the second meeting got delayed a bit | 14:03 |
| annegentle | I do have one thing, Phil Hopkins from Rackspace also wants to help, and I put him in contact with Nick and Edgar. I should've included you too, Sam-I-Am. | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | I REMEMBERED | 14:03 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I'll introduce you to Phil via email | 14:03 |
| sgordon | almost | 14:03 |
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| annegentle | sgordon: WOOT | 14:03 |
| annegentle | sgordon: nice :) | 14:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i saw phil on our e-mail yesterday | 14:03 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: ok cool | 14:03 |
| annegentle | I think that's progress, honestly, as tough as it is to get 3-4 people to meet! | 14:04 |
| annegentle | Let's call it progress :) | 14:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | it was more difficult than i thought | 14:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | in the meantime there was plenty of ops guide work to be done, so... | 14:04 |
| annegentle | #info Networking Guide subgroup has met twice | 14:04 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: true true | 14:04 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: what do you think the first deliverable will be, an outline/blueprint on the wiki? | 14:04 |
| annegentle | I can't recall | 14:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | i also tried icehouse and the packages were broken... but i did get ML2 working on havana and i dont think it'll be much different for icehouse | 14:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | it should be blueprints | 14:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | from there we can restructure the install guide, figure out the book, etc | 14:05 |
| annegentle | That's progress. | 14:05 |
| annegentle | Ok next item | 14:05 |
| annegentle | #topic January Monthly Google Hangout today at 20:00 UTC | 14:05 |
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| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Google_Hangout_for_Docs | 14:06 |
| annegentle | Lots to talk about! | 14:06 |
| annegentle | Mostly the point is for us to get to talk in person via video | 14:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'll be there | 14:07 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: excellent | 14:07 |
| annegentle | I think we'll have a good group | 14:07 |
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| AJaeger | I should make it as well... | 14:07 |
| annegentle | Sounds like Lana won't make it but we'll have Summer and Bruce and possibly other | 14:07 |
| annegentle | others | 14:07 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: cool, it'll be great to see you finally :) | 14:08 |
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| annegentle | I think I'll be in the Rackspace office so you can see it, heh. | 14:08 |
| AJaeger | Yeah, finally :) | 14:08 |
| * AJaeger will be at home... | 14:08 | |
| annegentle | (heh I might be too depending on how my day goes, actually) | 14:08 |
| annegentle | You can see my lovely home office | 14:08 |
| annegentle | Okay, onward | 14:09 |
| annegentle | #topic Webinar in February (date tbd) to update Icehouse doc/qa/infra plans | 14:09 |
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| annegentle | So the date is still not finalized -- coordinating 3 busy schedules is not easy! | 14:09 |
| annegentle | But I have the slide deck ready to go | 14:09 |
| annegentle | It was also useful for the Glance mid-cycle meetup this week, they used some of the slides in an etherpad to at least bring up docs | 14:09 |
| annegentle | so, useful is good | 14:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | what doc stuff is covered in this webinar? | 14:10 |
| annegentle | In the area of wider communications, I've been asked to put the What's Up Doc in a blog format also so it's easily linked to | 14:10 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: the history of it is that previously the 3-4 project leads would get a speaking slot at the Summit to discuss what was decided | 14:10 |
| annegentle | that got overwhelming with so many new projects and so little time at Summits | 14:11 |
| annegentle | so this time around they held webinars | 14:11 |
| annegentle | but qa/docs/infra didn't hold their webinars in the first couple of rounds | 14:11 |
| annegentle | so we're in a holding pattern looking for a date/time | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | ahh ok | 14:11 |
| annegentle | it's mostly about what we're working on for icehouse | 14:11 |
| annegentle | meant to tell the widest community possible | 14:12 |
| annegentle | #topic Doc tools update - 0.4 release of openstack-doc-tools, 1.13.0 release of clouddocs-maven-plugin | 14:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | let me know if you need anything for the networking stuff | 14:12 |
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| annegentle | Lots of releases this week | 14:12 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I will definitely take you up on that offer | 14:12 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I'll look at my slide deck and email ya, ok? | 14:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 14:13 |
| annegentle | #action annegentle to email Sam-I-Am for networking details on a slide for webinar | 14:13 |
| annegentle | The 0.4 release of the openstack-doc-tools went out yesterday | 14:13 |
| annegentle | #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-doc-tools < has release notes | 14:14 |
| annegentle | Huge improvements in the autogen options tables | 14:14 |
| annegentle | and I LOVE the new autodoc for python-novaclient, etc. | 14:14 |
| annegentle | That is going to make for a large CLI book, heh | 14:14 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: great work | 14:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | good stuff | 14:15 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: I'm a bit distracted with the Ops Guide, but what's the next step -- are we making a CLI Reference as a separate book? Or putting in the End User Guide? | 14:15 |
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| AJaeger | I don't have any plans right now here - I can do either. | 14:16 |
| sgordon | i think it's better off in the end user guide myself | 14:16 |
| AJaeger | If you have a preference, tell me and I can give it a try... | 14:16 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: sgordon: but didn't we say we'd want a separate CLI Ref due to the size? Any idea how large? | 14:16 |
| sgordon | since when? | 14:16 |
| annegentle | sgordon: at the summit? | 14:16 |
| sgordon | we only just got rid of it lol | 14:16 |
| annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2013-November/003252.html | 14:17 |
| annegentle | That's from my Summit notes | 14:17 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: I think the original preference was as a separate book | 14:18 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: want to see what it looks like? | 14:19 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: and people can review in gerrit? | 14:19 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, if that's still valid, give me an action item for that one | 14:19 |
| annegentle | #action AJaeger to create a separate CLI Reference to get input from reviewers | 14:19 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: sounds good | 14:19 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: much as I hate to add another book, another build, etc. This one would not be a "release" one but would be continuously published. We can work on details later | 14:20 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: if that's ok | 14:20 |
| AJaeger | sure, let's see how it looks... | 14:20 |
| sgordon | if it's autogenned is there any reason not to have a release one? | 14:20 |
| sgordon | for instance options can change between releases | 14:21 |
| annegentle | sgordon: yes, because the python-novaclient doesn't follow the release schedule | 14:21 |
| AJaeger | sgordon, the release of the client packages is indepenend of the OpenStack releases - isn't it? | 14:21 |
| annegentle | sgordon: so continuous is more accurate | 14:21 |
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| sgordon | i think that's more a theoretical take than practical though | 14:21 |
| sgordon | in terms of how most users consume it | 14:21 |
| sgordon | (via packaging) | 14:21 |
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| nickchase | sorry I'm late | 14:21 |
| annegentle | nickchase: welcome! | 14:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi nick | 14:22 |
| annegentle | sgordon: oh good point, hrmity. | 14:22 |
| annegentle | sgordon: AJaeger: I'm gonna shop both ideas on my team here at Rackspace, they'll have opinions too. I would think lots of people would pip install since they're using it on their mac, or whatever local machine | 14:23 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, ok. So, let's followup via email on that aspect. | 14:23 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: sounds good | 14:23 |
| annegentle | Also on Doc Tools, the 1.13.0 release of the clouddocs-maven-plugin went out, David Cramer sent a post about it. | 14:23 |
| annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2014-January/003736.html | 14:23 |
| annegentle | That got us parts in time for O'Reilly. | 14:24 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, it's used in all our repos now... | 14:24 |
| annegentle | I don't know if other books could use parts, probably the Cloud Admin Guide could, so now that we have it we can maybe re-org the Cloud Admin Guide. | 14:24 |
| annegentle | I don't have an action out of that, but want to be sure you all know tha'ts available. | 14:25 |
| nickchase | Its a thought | 14:25 |
| annegentle | nickchase: yah, I think nermina mentioned parts while she was doing analysis | 14:25 |
| nickchase | I believe she did | 14:25 |
| nickchase | we're working with it now | 14:25 |
| nickchase | we'll revisit as we look at the networking content | 14:25 |
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| annegentle | Let's see, that's it for doc tools unless you have anything to add AJaeger (I don't think we have dcramer) | 14:26 |
| annegentle | #topic Working on Oxygen licenses | 14:26 |
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| AJaeger | I debugged with dcramer yesterday some of the mvn outputs and we fixed a couple of them. | 14:26 |
| annegentle | So here at Rackspace we're renewing our Oxygen licenses, and I mentioned our OpenStack needs to the procurement person | 14:27 |
| annegentle | I still need to follow up on how their conversation went | 14:27 |
| annegentle | #action annegentle to find out if Oxygen XML is interested in continuing to support OpenStack with donated licenses | 14:27 |
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| annegentle | I know at boot camp we all said only people working on WADL really would need Oxygen, but training guys want it too | 14:28 |
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| annegentle | so another handful of licenses would be great | 14:28 |
| annegentle | I'll keep ya posted | 14:28 |
| annegentle | Okay, next topic | 14:28 |
| annegentle | #topic Style Guide for config strings | 14:28 |
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| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69381 | 14:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think it comes down to a period | 14:28 |
| AJaeger | For me the question is which of *our* guidelines we want to enforce. | 14:29 |
| sgordon | o boy | 14:29 |
| sgordon | i agree with diane's comment on the period | 14:29 |
| AJaeger | The two things to discuss are the "period" and the use of project names vs. nova/neutron.... | 14:29 |
| annegentle | I haven't written back to Diane, but my thinking is that there are way more edits we'd have to do to bring it into compliance, but maybe I'm wrong? | 14:29 |
| annegentle | I was mostly trying to reflect what I see... | 14:30 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: you have a patch for one of the projects, right? How's that being received? | 14:30 |
| sgordon | im sure there are but i dont think we need to do it overnight | 14:30 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, all my patches are merged with the exception of cinder - due to too heavy editing by Diane ;) | 14:30 |
| sgordon | project names could go either way.... | 14:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i didnt see the project name vs. nova/neutron thing | 14:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think if its referencing commands, it should probably be nova/neutron/whatever | 14:31 |
| AJaeger | oslo-incubation, oslo.messaging, ceilometer are all excepted and merged | 14:31 |
| AJaeger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67657/ | 14:31 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: ok | 14:32 |
| AJaeger | That's the nova/cinder etc one... | 14:32 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: I see, adding periods really does increase readability to me. | 14:32 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: so I'm for it! | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | hmm, the use of project names seems to fit there | 14:33 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: sgordon: Sam-I-Am: but... project names. BLARGH | 14:33 |
| sgordon | :> | 14:33 |
| annegentle | I get annoyed at project names since they're meaningless until you've studied up :) | 14:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | good point | 14:33 |
| * Sam-I-Am still hasnt had coffee | 14:33 | |
| Sam-I-Am | ^^ blame that | 14:33 |
| sgordon | i would argue both the official names and the code names suffer that fate | 14:33 |
| sgordon | telemetry anyone? | 14:33 |
| AJaeger | It's the cinder.conf file that talks about cinder ... | 14:33 |
| annegentle | sgordon: heh | 14:34 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah, as far as context, you're in a project.conf file. | 14:34 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: ok, I'll vote for project names not "real" names | 14:34 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: I can comment on the style guide patch | 14:34 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: no one else has asked you why you're editing before the style guide is approved? ;) | 14:35 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, please do (and convince Diane ;) | 14:35 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: hee | 14:36 |
| AJaeger | here're the merged patches: | 14:36 |
| AJaeger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67654/ | 14:36 |
| AJaeger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67658/ | 14:36 |
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| AJaeger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67646/ | 14:36 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: this is going to be a huge improvement. I hope people outside of docs recognize it. | 14:36 |
| AJaeger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67647/ | 14:36 |
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| AJaeger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67659/ | 14:37 |
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| AJaeger | Those were the major culprits I found | 14:37 |
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| AJaeger | the rest looked fine enough... | 14:37 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: wow only six patches in nova, that's impressive :) | 14:37 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 14:37 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: and the hacking check is a great idea | 14:37 |
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| AJaeger | wasn't my idea | 14:38 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: now let's get the style guide to match the checks | 14:38 |
| AJaeger | exactly | 14:38 |
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| annegentle | Okay, ready for open discussion | 14:38 |
| annegentle | #topic Open discussion | 14:38 |
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| annegentle | I do want to remind everyone that O'Reilly takes the Ops Guide 2/5 | 14:38 |
| annegentle | Doesn't mean we can't patch it, just means that patching means tougher rebasing possibly | 14:39 |
| annegentle | and really I don't htink it'll be hard at all | 14:39 |
| annegentle | my thinking is that they'll do a file at a time | 14:39 |
| annegentle | which makes for very easy rebasing :) | 14:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's a few questions in the upgrade section that need discussing | 14:39 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yes and it seems like Tom is popping in though on vacation, ha | 14:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | and i think the preface still feels a little rushed | 14:39 |
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| sgordon | just on that | 14:39 |
| sgordon | dont forget the normal review queue either | 14:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | tom took his vacation at a good time | 14:40 |
| sgordon | i went through last night and there a number of patches against openstack-manuals that have been hanging out without other votes for a while | 14:40 |
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| annegentle | sgordon: yeah for sure | 14:40 |
| sgordon | i had an unrelated query | 14:41 |
| sgordon | is anyone from docs involved in the storyboard effort? | 14:41 |
| annegentle | sgordon: it looks pretty clean now, openstack-manuals | 14:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | storyboard? | 14:41 |
| annegentle | sgordon: not that I know of, I've seen mordred going gangbusters lately though | 14:41 |
| sgordon | annegentle, all those ones showing with +2 i did a couple of days ago | 14:41 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: storyboard is a replacement for Launchpad | 14:41 |
| annegentle | sgordon: thank you! | 14:41 |
| sgordon | annegentle, read: no other core has looked at them | 14:41 |
| annegentle | sgordon: got it | 14:42 |
| sgordon | annegentle, right - i guess my Q is if there's anything we want to see in storyboard | 14:42 |
| sgordon | that we dont have in launchpad (glorious launchpad) | 14:42 |
| annegentle | sgordon: I went to the Summit session | 14:42 |
| sgordon | yeah so did i, i think | 14:42 |
| annegentle | sgordon: hm | 14:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | would storyboard be an openstack-specific thing? | 14:43 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yep | 14:43 |
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| sgordon | Sam-I-Am, in as much as it's being built by openstack peeps for openstack peeps yes | 14:43 |
| sgordon | it would theoretically be deployable elsewhere though | 14:43 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, regarding summit: Is there any sense in giving summit presentations about documentation? | 14:43 |
| annegentle | Another news item, MirandaZhang our API doc intern has hit her halfway point in the internship | 14:43 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: so for the "business" side, I guess we could propose, I'm not ever sure what people really want to hear about though. | 14:44 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: for the | 14:44 |
| sgordon | annegentle, as an example - in the feature pages for fedora/ovirt (which are very low tech) | 14:44 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: for the "design" side we'll get about 4 slots in our track | 14:44 |
| sgordon | annegentle, the proposer must put in a release note section | 14:44 |
| annegentle | sgordon: now that's a nice feature | 14:44 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, I was thinking whether the business side would welcome something... | 14:44 |
| sgordon | annegentle, that's the main thing i am thinking of in terms of it anyway | 14:45 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: what do you think OpenStack consumers and deployers might like to know about docs? | 14:45 |
| sgordon | i guess i need to find the relevant list and get involved | 14:45 |
| annegentle | sgordon: yes release notes | 14:45 |
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| nickchase | I think all consumers and deployers and to know is when are we going to get docs they consider to be great. | 14:45 |
| annegentle | sgordon: that would be AWESOME (as I really couldn't dedicate a slice of time to it) | 14:45 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, that's what I'm currently asking myself as well - is there something that makes sense for us to present to them? | 14:45 |
| sgordon | annegentle, i think it assists with $DAYJOB so should be able to find some cycles | 14:45 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: the user survey is well-attended, so a docs session might be as well | 14:45 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: should I propose? Do a panel? Let's keep talking about it by 2/14 | 14:46 |
| sgordon | a docs session needs to be targeted/marketed well | 14:46 |
| annegentle | #info Deadline for Summit proposals 2/14 | 14:46 |
| annegentle | Additional news tidbit | 14:46 |
| nickchase | I would be happy t do a "how to get started" panel aimed at shwoing projects how to get docs for their stuff into the system | 14:46 |
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| sgordon | there is also i assume someone from the personas group proposing a session | 14:46 |
| sgordon | so it would be good for us to be involved in that in some way or another | 14:47 |
| AJaeger | Let's discuss this a bit more on some great presentation... | 14:47 |
| annegentle | #info Great progress on Object Storage API reference info | 14:47 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65378/ | 14:47 |
| nickchase | I'm on the personas team | 14:47 |
| annegentle | sgordon: nickchase is our doc rep | 14:47 |
| annegentle | for personas | 14:47 |
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| annegentle | can't type fast enough :) | 14:47 |
| nickchase | :) | 14:47 |
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| nickchase | you have more topics to type about ;0 | 14:47 |
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| annegentle | #info Seeking authors for a CLI Quick Start | 14:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: was i supposed to join that group? | 14:48 |
| annegentle | So I've got this contact at Dzone who wants authors for one of their Refcardz | 14:48 |
| nickchase | sam-i-am: if you have the cycles | 14:48 |
| annegentle | #link http://refcardz.dzone.com/ | 14:48 |
| annegentle | If you're interested, let me know | 14:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: i'm just going to quit my day job and stop sleeping | 14:49 |
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| annegentle | I have no idea of this is a paid gig or not | 14:49 |
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| nickchase | wait, can we go back: did we finish the summit discussion? | 14:49 |
| nickchase | sam-i-am: not sleeping yes, but keep the day job . :) | 14:50 |
| annegentle | nickchase: go ahead (IRC is bad for seeming to interrupt, not my intent) | 14:50 |
| nickchase | annegentle: No problem. :) So my question is, do we want to do a panel telling devs from various projects how to get their content into docs | 14:50 |
| nickchase | and then the next question is, do we care about anything but "core"? | 14:50 |
| annegentle | nickchase: but that's not the audience for the 2/14 deadline | 14:51 |
| annegentle | nickchase: our "mission" statement specifically states core only | 14:51 |
| AJaeger | nickchase, we're discussing the "business" sessions. | 14:51 |
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| nickchase | ok, so there's where I was confused: is there more than one session proposal deadline? | 14:51 |
| sgordon | yeah | 14:52 |
| nickchase | (core question in a minute) | 14:52 |
| sgordon | the design summit one is much later | 14:52 |
| annegentle | nickchase: yes. 2/14 is for the non-design-summit. The design summit deadlines will be in March | 14:52 |
| nickchase | OK, then I yeild back the floor. thank you. :) | 14:52 |
| nickchase | yield, even | 14:52 |
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| nickchase | annegentle: you were up to the refcardz gig | 14:53 |
| sgordon | right | 14:54 |
| annegentle | nickchase: but ask about the mission statement and core :) | 14:54 |
| sgordon | i dont envy whoever has to fit a useful openstack CLI guide on a refcardz ;) | 14:54 |
| annegentle | sgordon: hehe. his proposal is for six cards | 14:54 |
| annegentle | or cardz :) | 14:54 |
| sgordon | :D | 14:54 |
| annegentle | sgordon: how much of a good reputation does dzone have? | 14:55 |
| sgordon | pretty good afaik | 14:55 |
| nickchase | OK, I'll ask: | 14:55 |
| nickchase | sgordon: and they're pushing harder on cloud | 14:55 |
| annegentle | sgordon: oh and apparently Redhat wants to sponsor, and I would like Rackspace to also sponsor, but he won't tell me an amount. | 14:55 |
| annegentle | so this is all fun | 14:55 |
| sgordon | there certainly who i think of when i think of these kind of cards | 14:55 |
| nickchase | I'm writing something for their annual report this week | 14:55 |
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| sgordon | annegentle, excellent | 14:55 |
| sgordon | annegentle, i dont know who would be organizing that off the top of my head | 14:55 |
| sgordon | but will try find out | 14:55 |
| annegentle | seems logical for both to co-sponsor | 14:55 |
| annegentle | sgordon: thanks! very helpful | 14:56 |
| annegentle | nickchase: so the next "integrated" project is trove, Database-as-a-service, for Icehouse | 14:56 |
| nickchase | so as far as mission statement, while our mission says we focus on core, I'd like to throw out there the notion of providing access to docs for additional projects -- even if it's just links. | 14:56 |
| annegentle | We have one patch that we reverted and will put in on 3/27 just to be closer to actual icehouse release | 14:56 |
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| nickchase | annegentle: do we have a docs liason for that? | 14:56 |
| annegentle | nickchase: and we do that, most of the integrated projects have some doc in openstack-manuals | 14:56 |
| AJaeger | Ah, the topic I wanted to bring up: When do start documenting trove for our continous integration books? | 14:57 |
| annegentle | nickchase: we wanted a liason per project | 14:57 |
| nickchase | annegentle: I will get one. | 14:57 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: I like 3/27 the Release Candidate day | 14:57 |
| AJaeger | Might need to put on the agenda for next meeting... | 14:57 |
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| nickchase | for trove, that is | 14:57 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah good thinking | 14:57 |
| annegentle | nickchase: that would be great, they have a writer at Rackspace but she's on 3-4 services at once | 14:57 |
| AJaeger | we already make changes in some documents for Icehouse... | 14:57 |
| AJaeger | but not in a systematic way | 14:58 |
| annegentle | nickchase: there's also Laurel Michaels who has just gotten her first patch in, who's interested in trove docs | 14:58 |
| annegentle | nickchase: so we have potential people | 14:58 |
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| nickchase | great. | 14:58 |
| annegentle | welcome chandankumar_! | 14:58 |
| annegentle | ok anything else so we can yield the "room"? | 14:58 |
| nickchase | One more bit of news, since we're almost at time: | 14:58 |
| nickchase | Nermina has been hired by some lucky non-cloud company. | 14:58 |
| nickchase | So I will be replacing her ASAP. | 14:59 |
| annegentle | nickchase: NOOOOooooo........ | 14:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | :/ | 14:59 |
| annegentle | nickchase: but I love nermina! | 14:59 |
| nickchase | I know, that was my reaction. | 14:59 |
| AJaeger | How sad ;( | 14:59 |
| nickchase | On a personal level I'm thrilled for her. Professionally I'm very sad. | 14:59 |
| annegentle | nickchase: hopefully you can use the OpenStack job board | 14:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | alternative option... make the non-cloud company a cloud company. | 14:59 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: hee hee | 14:59 |
| nickchase | sam-i-am: :) | 14:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | everyone loves the cloud | 14:59 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 14:59 |
| nickchase | annegentle: I have someone in mind but if that doesn't work out i will | 15:00 |
| annegentle | Ok that's a sad note to leave on, but if it's best for nermina then of course I'm happy for her! | 15:00 |
| nickchase | exactly. | 15:00 |
| annegentle | nickchase: excellent | 15:00 |
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| annegentle | thanks all! | 15:00 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | bye | 15:00 |
| AJaeger | bye | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 29 15:00:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2014/docteammeeting.2014-01-29-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2014/docteammeeting.2014-01-29-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2014/docteammeeting.2014-01-29-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| Swami | hi | 15:04 |
| Swami | sylvain ping | 15:04 |
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| hemanthravi | hi | 15:06 |
| Swami | hemanthravi: hi | 15:06 |
| safchain | Swami, hi | 15:06 |
| Swami | #startmeeting distributed_virtual_router | 15:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 29 15:06:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | safchain: hi | 15:06 |
| Swami | #topic F2F meeting preparation for presenting the DVR | 15:07 |
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| safchain | Swami, sorry not sure to be able to speak a lot today | 15:08 |
| Swami | safchain: hemanthravi: I am planning to have a F2F meeting at the Bay on the week of Feb 10th. You would got an email from the ML | 15:08 |
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| Swami | safchain: its ok. | 15:08 |
| hemanthravi | swami: is it on 2/13 | 15:08 |
| Swami | Just wanted to give some updates. | 15:08 |
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| Swami | hemanthravi: I have not finalized the dates, but I wanted to have it either on a Wednesday or Thursday. | 15:09 |
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| Swami | safchain: hemanthravi: You might all know from the neutron meeting this monday that there is a report "Carl Baldwin" for the L3 subteam. | 15:10 |
| Swami | So what I would say is we will continue this meeting and then report it to Carl in his meetings when he starts one. | 15:10 |
| safchain | safchain, yes a wiki page for the subt eam as been created | 15:11 |
| hemanthravi | swami: link to the page? | 15:11 |
| Swami | I have already included both our blueprints into L3-subteam meeting Wiki and also added a link to our meeting notes in there. | 15:11 |
| safchain | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:12 |
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| Swami | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:12 |
| Swami | safchain: thanks | 15:12 |
| Swami | Does that sound reasonable | 15:12 |
| Swami | safchain: For the F2F I would like to merge both our blueprints to single presentation. | 15:13 |
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| Swami | safchain: It would be great if you could provide more details on your implementation. | 15:14 |
| safchain | Swami, sure i'll try to do it | 15:15 |
| Swami | safchain: Do you have any other meeting currently for the L3 consolidation and L3 HA. | 15:15 |
| Swami | safchain: Thanks | 15:15 |
| safchain | Swami, no meeting, submitted patches for the ha, will submit all patches by the end of the week | 15:16 |
| Swami | this week I will try to talk to Carl and see what are his plans. | 15:16 |
| safchain | Swami, amuller helps me | 15:16 |
| Swami | safchain: thanks | 15:16 |
| safchain | Swami, please keep me in the circle | 15:17 |
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| Swami | safchain: Did you get a chance to go over the Provider router blueprint | 15:17 |
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| safchain | Swami, unfortunately no :( | 15:17 |
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| Swami | safchain: If you have some time try to go through it this week | 15:18 |
| Swami | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/15LPPD1mfKJSmiVgONi9Uu_CFBJJn46FqYfGsdwO_vMU/edit#heading=h.l8nz0xz5ct46 | 15:21 |
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| Swami | hemanthravi: Do you have anything to update | 15:23 |
| hemanthravi | swami: no, will go through the docs this week and comment if any | 15:24 |
| Swami | hemanthravi: Thanks | 15:24 |
| Swami | Folks as I mentioned I will be preparing for the F2F and to combine the blueprints this week. Please provide your inputs and thoughts to me. | 15:25 |
| Swami | You can send me any comments or information to my email and i will respond. | 15:25 |
| Swami | Since we don't have any other topic to discuss I will end the session today early. | 15:26 |
| Swami | See you all next week. | 15:26 |
| safchain | Swami, ok for me, thx | 15:26 |
| hemanthravi | swami: will do, thanks | 15:26 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 29 15:26:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-01-29-15.06.html | 15:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-01-29-15.06.txt | 15:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-01-29-15.06.log.html | 15:26 |
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| rkukura | hi ml2'ers | 16:00 |
| asadoughi | hi | 16:00 |
| matrohon | hi | 16:00 |
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| ktbenton1 | hi | 16:00 |
| rcurran | hi | 16:01 |
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| trinaths | Hi | 16:01 |
| rkukura | I think mestery is getting his car fixed, so I'll chair today | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 29 16:01:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
| trinaths | Good Morning ..all | 16:01 |
| banix | Hi | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 Agenda | 16:01 |
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| trinaths | I'm trinath .. working for FSL SDN Mechanism driver.. | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #topic Action Item Review | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | hi trinaths! welcome! | 16:03 |
| irenab | hi | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | Hi | 16:04 |
| sadasu | Hi! Working on the UCS manager mechanism driver supporting sr-iov | 16:04 |
| rkukura | looks like only AI was for me to send summary around ML2 binding to the list | 16:04 |
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| trinaths | this is my first time to the meeting.. How we start on.. | 16:05 |
| rkukura | I just posted a proposal which covers flow of info from bound MechanismDriver to nova's GenericVIFDriver | 16:05 |
| rkukura | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025812.html | 16:05 |
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| irenab | rkukura: would add the binding:profile to the discussion? | 16:06 |
| rkukura | irenab: agreed | 16:06 |
| sadasu | rkukura: just went through your summary on portbinding changes wrt ML2 | 16:06 |
| sadasu | thanks...like the generic solution for passing info to genericVIF driver via bound mech drivers | 16:06 |
| rkukura | any feedback on the proposal to use binding:vif_details for both VIF security and PCI details? | 16:07 |
| irenab | rkukura: will follow on the mailing list after more deep review | 16:07 |
| rkukura | This proposal is purely for data flowing out from the plugin/driver, not for input data, so it is read-only | 16:08 |
| irenab | but not sure if it makes sense to add PCI details to any port (even as None) | 16:08 |
| sadasu | rkukura: agree with the generic idea, is it possible to go into more details? | 16:08 |
| rkukura | As irenab mentioned, we will be filing BP to implement binding:profile in ML2 to handle data flowing into the plugin/driver | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | I have not read the proposal (will review it later) - so, the ML drivers will push the info back to the ML2 plugin and then this info gets pushed to nova, right? | 16:09 |
| sadasu | can a port have both VIF security and PCI address info attached to it? | 16:10 |
| sadasu | will this proposal handle that case too? | 16:10 |
| rkukura | sadasu: Its really what's already in Nachi's patches, but just renamed from binding:vif_secuirty to binding:vif_details so it can be used for other things. | 16:10 |
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| irenab | rkukura: will this vif_inof available vig get_Device_details for agents? | 16:10 |
| rkukura | sadasu: yes - the set of key/value pairs in binding:vif_details depends on the value of binding:vif_type | 16:11 |
| rkukura | irenab: I think we need a separate effort to involve the bound MD in responding to the get_device_details RPC. Is that needed for PCI-passthru? | 16:12 |
| sadasu | rkukura: ok..agreed | 16:12 |
| sadasu | rkukura: I think I need it for my case..will have to get back to you | 16:14 |
| irenab | rkukura: not sure, maybe needed. So the current patch does not extend the device_details with vif_info, right? | 16:14 |
| rkukura | Lets discuss feedback on the binding:vif_details proposal on the list, and hopefully get nachi onboard with a plan to finally resolve the VIF security issue | 16:14 |
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| matrohon | irenab, rkukura : this looks like asomya proposal, MD should be able to add info to get_device_details | 16:14 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Yes, that is what I was saying is a separate effort. | 16:14 |
| matrohon | but maybe not the same as those return to nova | 16:14 |
| irenab | matrohon: can please put link? | 16:14 |
| rkukura | We need to know whether its a priority for icehouse | 16:15 |
| amotoki | hi, i just read rkukura's proposal of vif_detail in the dev list. | 16:15 |
| amotoki | binding:* attributes are all vif_details.... | 16:15 |
| amotoki | do we go vif_details to a generic dictionary? | 16:15 |
| rkukura | amotoki: True, but do we want a proliferation of lots of top-level attributes that aren't for end users? Or is one dictionary sufficient for the MD->VIFDriver path? | 16:16 |
| rkukura | amotoki: Yes, the proposal is for binding:vif_details to be a generic dictionary whose contents are interpreted based on the value of binding:vif_type. | 16:17 |
| amotoki | understood. | 16:17 |
| matrohon | irenab : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZHb2zzPmkSOpM6PR8M9sx2SJOJPHblaP5eVXHr5zOFg/edit# | 16:18 |
| rkukura | Any more quick questions/comments on that proposal now, or we can take it to the list | 16:18 |
| amotoki | ui am not sure now.. it seems we can split binding attrs into subcategories: MD->VIF, VIF->MD, VIF<->MD. | 16:18 |
| irenab | matrohon: thanks | 16:18 |
| rcurran | rkukura: does this review cover issue w/ vlan# being accessible for delete_port_postcommit()? | 16:18 |
| rkukura | rcurran: Trying to get to that | 16:18 |
| rcurran | on this commit? | 16:19 |
| rkukura | amotoki: This proposal covers MD->VIF. Looking at using binding:profile for inputs to the MD for binding purposes. | 16:19 |
| matrohon | rkukura : what is the difference between binding:vif_details and binding:profile | 16:20 |
| rkukura | Regarding my action item, I've been trying to get this port attribute stuff resolved so I can post a clear description of the proposed changes to port binding regarding transactions and access to original vs. new binding details. | 16:20 |
| rkukura | binding:vif_details is output from the MD, binding:profile is input to the MD | 16:21 |
| amotoki | matrohon: at now binding:profile is reserved for the attr which a pllugin (a driver in ML2 case) can use freely | 16:21 |
| amotoki | binding:profile is bidirectional attribute. | 16:21 |
| matrohon | amotoki, rkukura : thanks | 16:21 |
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| rkukura | amotoki: I'm not aware of current cases where binding:profile is used for output data, and was trying to avoid the complication of merging input data with output data during updates. | 16:22 |
| rkukura | Lets take the binding:profile and binding:vif_details discussion to the list, and move on with the agenda | 16:23 |
| amotoki | ok. | 16:23 |
| rkukura | I plan to post the proposal that rcurran was asking about to openstack-dev in the next day or to, so I'll keep this action item open | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | #action rkukura to post proposal for portbinding changes to call MDs outside of transactions and with all needed info | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | #topic bugs | 16:26 |
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| rcurran | fyi rkukura - i plan on pushing up a review w/ the work around solution of saving off vlan in delete_port_precommit() (for use in postcommit) i'll change this once your code gets in | 16:26 |
| rkukura | rcurran: Great! Sorry I've taken so long to write that up, but I think you have the general idea from these meetings | 16:27 |
| rkukura | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=ml2 | 16:27 |
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| matrohon | I just reported a new potential bug and tagged it with ml2 | 16:27 |
| matrohon | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1274160 | 16:28 |
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| rkukura | 3 high priority bugs, 2 in progress | 16:28 |
| * mestery walks in very late. | 16:28 | |
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| rkukura | and it looks like safchain is taking the 3rd: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1237807 | 16:29 |
| rkukura | hi mestery - we just moved from AIs to bugs | 16:29 |
| amotoki | regarding db migration issue , there are two opinions and seems no consensus. | 16:29 |
| mestery | rkukura: Thanks! | 16:29 |
| rkukura | amotoki: What's the disagreement? | 16:30 |
| amotoki | woops... slow connection. the question is how to handle havana migration. | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | amotoki: We you going to describe the issue? | 16:33 |
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| rkukura | I see there are links to discussions - how can we bring this to conclusing? | 16:34 |
| rkukura | conclusion | 16:34 |
| rkukura | on other bugs, lets fix what we can, review fixes, and hopefully work through these soon | 16:36 |
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| rkukura | Please speak up of any seem to have wrong priorities - we'll look at the high and maybe medium in these meetings to make sure we are progressing | 16:36 |
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| trinaths | sure | 16:37 |
| amotoki | I will check the situation of db migration again. several fixes are related. | 16:37 |
| rkukura | #topic ovs-firewall-driver | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | asadoughi: any update on this? | 16:37 |
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| asadoughi | hi. no news. no new reviews were made because of the gating issues and no new code pushed for the same reason. moving forward with it now. our cores allowed to review again? | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | asadoughi: I think we've been allowed (expected) to keep reviewing, just not approve | 16:38 |
| rkukura | I'll admit I'm behind on reviews | 16:39 |
| asadoughi | ah, well, again, i'd like to get reviews on the code that's already out there if possible. | 16:39 |
| mestery | asadoughi: Can you paste the review here please? | 16:39 |
| asadoughi | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/ovs-firewall-driver,n,z | 16:39 |
| mestery | asadoughi: You are a psychic. :) | 16:39 |
| rkukura | We should prioritize reviewing fixes for gate issues, but need to keep making progress | 16:40 |
| asadoughi | rkukura: i agree with that sentiment | 16:40 |
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| mestery | rkukura: +1 | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: any ETA on the gate issues fixes? | 16:40 |
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| rkukura | I don't have any current info on the gate issues - does anyone else? | 16:41 |
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| asadoughi | i don't have a concise idea, but anyone interested can look for the "state of the gate" e-mails. | 16:42 |
| amotoki | I have nothing too. neutron-channel is good place to check the status. | 16:42 |
| rkukura | right | 16:42 |
| asadoughi | yes, #openstack-neutron too | 16:42 |
| rkukura | Lets make sure to fix/review any ML2 issues effecting the gate ASAP | 16:43 |
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| amotoki | asadoughi: sorry for the late. my understanding was completely wrong on source-port. i will resume the review. | 16:43 |
| asadoughi | amotoki: ok. thanks. | 16:43 |
| rkukura | asadoughi: I'll try to look these over this week as well | 16:44 |
| rkukura | #topic new MechanismDrivers | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | mestery: What do you have in mind for covering these in this meeting? Should we go through status of each, or just see if there are any general issues/questions? | 16:45 |
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| trinaths | can we discuss on my FSL Mechanism Driver.. | 16:45 |
| mestery | rkukura: Maybe just general issues now. | 16:45 |
| mestery | Such as what trinaths wants to discuss :) | 16:45 |
| mestery | trinaths: Please go ahead. | 16:45 |
| rkukura | trinaths: Sure | 16:45 |
| trinaths | thank youy mestery... :) | 16:46 |
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| trinaths | We have developed an ML2 mechanism driver to prost the network/subnet/port related data to out Cloud Resource Discovery Service.. | 16:46 |
| dkehn_ | gate issue , evendentually a infra is doing a tox upgrade | 16:46 |
| trinaths | I have submitted the code base for review.. | 16:47 |
| trinaths | got few comments | 16:47 |
| trinaths | I was not clear on a comment | 16:47 |
| matrohon | trinaths : sounds great | 16:47 |
| trinaths | on UNIT test case for the driver | 16:47 |
| trinaths | the driver needs CRD Client..to send data to CRD Sever. | 16:48 |
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| trinaths | but in UNIT testing its not possible.. | 16:48 |
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| irenab | rkukura: do you want to discuss the vnic_type port attribute we talked during PCI passthru meeting? | 16:49 |
| rcurran | i think trinaths is referring to the now required 3rd party testing for all ML2 mech drivers | 16:49 |
| banix | trinaths: Need to fake it | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths: you can Mock the operation - look into Arista ML driver | 16:49 |
| trinaths | yes true said.. I need to FAKE it.. | 16:49 |
| rkukura | trinaths: Is this a new dependency on a client python library? | 16:50 |
| trinaths | can any one check the code in the link here as a guidance to me on how to fake it.. any in a right path.. #linkhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/69838/1/neutron/tests/unit/ml2/drivers/test_fslsdn_mech.py | 16:50 |
| trinaths | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69838/1/neutron/tests/unit/ml2/drivers/test_fslsdn_mech.py | 16:50 |
| trinaths | no rkukura.. ! | 16:50 |
| rkukura | Where does the crdclient module come from? | 16:51 |
| trinaths | we have a CRD Client.. some thing like neutron client | 16:51 |
| trinaths | CRD client is which we ourselves developed | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths: please look into the unit test example in Arista Driver - we Mock the sync operation. You can so something similar | 16:52 |
| trinaths | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69838/1 | 16:52 |
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| trinaths | okay.. let me check the same.. sukhdev | 16:52 |
| rkukura | Don't the other drivers all include needed client, and just need to mock in the unit tests because there is no server to talk to? | 16:53 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes | 16:53 |
| rcurran | cisco_nexus does mock our server api | 16:53 |
| HenryG | trinaths: Have you looked at the Tail-F NCS driver? I believe they are doing a similar thing to what you want to do. | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | So, there are plenty examples | 16:54 |
| rkukura | So seems trinaths's patch needs to include crdclient or set it up to be pip-installed or something | 16:54 |
| ktbenton1 | #link http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8658043/how-to-mock-an-import | 16:54 |
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| trinaths | yes rkukura.. crd client needs to be installed like neutron-client | 16:55 |
| rkukura | only 5 minutes left - lets move this discussion to the review, or to IRC or email | 16:55 |
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| rkukura | Any other issues regarding new drivers? | 16:55 |
| banix | Before we run out of time: Please review this and see if the approach is right: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69792/ | 16:56 |
| irenab | irenab: on SRIOV Mech Drivers depend on binding:profile, need it in hight priority | 16:56 |
| rkukura | I think its the brocade driver that needs to disable bulk ops - would be good to discuss that, but much time | 16:56 |
| ktbenton1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68996/ | 16:56 |
| ktbenton1 | BigSwitch needs no bulk | 16:57 |
| ktbenton1 | So I proposed that approach | 16:57 |
| rkukura | ktbenton1: Is this because bulk isn't properly implemented in ML2, or something else? | 16:58 |
| ktbenton1 | It's because the backend for the driver doesn't support bulk operations | 16:58 |
| ktbenton1 | so we need a way to change the native_bulk flag that ML2 advertises | 16:58 |
| rkukura | Don't the bulk operations get implemented as non-bulk operations? | 16:59 |
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| ktbenton1 | Not with native_bulk enabled | 16:59 |
| rkukura | Lets work through this in the review, we are out of time here | 17:00 |
| ktbenton1 | ok | 17:00 |
| banix | This is what I mentioned last week; Deals with mechanism drivers raising exception in post commit ops. Need to add more unit tests. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69792/ | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | banix: Thanks. Looks like its got some good review input. I'll take a look too | 17:01 |
| rkukura | We are out of time | 17:01 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 29 17:01:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-01-29-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-01-29-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-01-29-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
| trinaths | thank you for valuable input guys | 17:01 |
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| banix | thanks | 17:01 |
| rkukura | thanks everyone! | 17:02 |
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| amotoki | thanks. I made a mistake when translating meeting time to my local time. I noticed it today..... | 17:02 |
| rkukura | amotoki: Glad you were here! | 17:03 |
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| grapex | Hey everyone | 18:00 |
| imsplitbit | o/ | 18:00 |
| grapex | I'll wait another minute | 18:00 |
| cp16net | helo | 18:00 |
| crad | o/ | 18:00 |
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| mattgriffin | o/ | 18:00 |
| grapex | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 29 18:00:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is grapex. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
| doug_shelley66 | o/ | 18:00 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 18:00 |
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| grapex | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
| pdmars | o/ | 18:01 |
| datsun180b | hello | 18:01 |
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| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:01 |
| abramley | o/ | 18:01 |
| kevinconway | \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ | 18:01 |
| cp16net | o/ | 18:01 |
| kanzaros | o/ | 18:01 |
| esmute | o/ | 18:01 |
| denis_makogon | agenda ?)) | 18:01 |
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| datsun180b | i think i had both #actions | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | o/ | 18:01 |
| kevinconway | #agreed | 18:01 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, hi | 18:02 |
| esp | o/ | 18:02 |
| datsun180b | as per talking to nova's conductor peeps, no progress | 18:02 |
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| annashen | o/ | 18:02 |
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| cp16net | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-01-22-18.00.html | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | thanks cp16net | 18:02 |
| grapex | #topic action items | 18:02 |
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| datsun180b | oh now we're official, i'll start over | 18:02 |
| ViswaV | o/ | 18:02 |
| grapex | #topic add sent_at table for conductor to sync messages from guests | 18:03 |
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| grapex | datsun180b? | 18:03 |
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| datsun180b | migration table built, just need to hook the models up | 18:03 |
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| datsun180b | review marked as WIP for now until i get that all squeaky clean | 18:03 |
| grapex | datsun180b: Sounds good | 18:04 |
| grapex | Up next | 18:04 |
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| grapex | #topic talk to nova team about their conductor sync strategy | 18:04 |
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| grapex | datsun180b: ^ | 18:04 |
| datsun180b | no progress | 18:04 |
| * grapex <insert a joke about hitting datsun180b with a fish or something here> | 18:05 | |
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| datsun180b | mostly been focused on conductor work from #1 and parallel work in sneaky-pete | 18:05 |
| denis_makogon | lol | 18:05 |
| grapex | Ok,let's add another action item to do that next time | 18:05 |
| grapex | #action datsun180b talk to nova team about their conductor sync strategy | 18:05 |
| datsun180b | on it | 18:05 |
| datsun180b | or you can | 18:05 |
| grapex | Alright, moving on to the agenda item(s) | 18:06 |
| grapex | #topic Tempest update | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | That's me | 18:06 |
| grapex | SlickNik: This is yours I think | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | So you might have noticed that we've got tempest jobs running on the jenkins test now. | 18:06 |
| denis_makogon | we're saw that now we have tempest gate - very cool))) | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | You'll see something like: | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | http://logs.openstack.org/29/69429/3/check/check-tempest-dsvm-trove-full/2084864 SUCCESS in 51m 25s (non-voting) | 18:07 |
| esmute | SlickNik: Nice ~ | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | cool | 18:07 |
| datsun180b | non-voting eh | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | yes, datsun180b - it's non-voting for now. | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | I'm still adding trove specific tests | 18:08 |
| datsun180b | sounds like fun | 18:08 |
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| denis_makogon | sounds like best news ever)) | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | The first patch of which is at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69501/ | 18:08 |
| kevinconway | SlickNik: so these are an additional gate for trove? | 18:08 |
| cp16net | very cool | 18:08 |
| vipul | o/ | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | kevinconway: yes - and it's gonna be run using resources from upstream OpenStack CI | 18:09 |
| cp16net | Ran 2030 tests in 2463.772s | 18:09 |
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| cp16net | that takes a while | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | ~ 50 − 60 mins. | 18:09 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, any news about image elements ? | 18:10 |
| kevinconway | SlickNik: ok, so these tests won't gate nova, for example, to make sure they don't break us? | 18:10 |
| esmute | our rdjenkins gate jobs take around the same time | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | kevinconway: they will. | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | We need to get the trove tests written for that though. | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | So eventually, they will. | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | So, I'm going to need help with adding more tests to the trove test suite. | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69501/ | 18:11 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Sounds cool | 18:11 |
| esp | SlickNik: I can help write some tests | 18:12 |
| kevinconway | SlickNik: will all tempest tests live in the openstack-tempest repo? | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | ^^ Basic flavor API tests. | 18:12 |
| kevinconway | as in are we going to remove tests from the trove repo? | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | kevinconway: That's a contentious issue that we probably need to discuss. The way I see it now is that the tempest test supplement the int-tests. | 18:13 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, according to test plan we already know who would write tests for trove, so lets ask them | 18:13 |
| grapex | kevinconway: The goal of Tempest is to help gate the entire Stack as a whole | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | We can't remove the int-tests until we have test coverage at par (or better than) the int-tests. | 18:13 |
| denis_makogon | of course | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | I hope to get there someday perhaps, but it's gonna take time. | 18:13 |
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| vipul | nice work SlickNik | 18:14 |
| vipul | i'll help out writing the tests too | 18:14 |
| denis_makogon | same as i | 18:14 |
| grapex | I'm also going to make the argument at that time that there are some features of the current int tests, such as running quickly in Tox, I don't want to give up. | 18:14 |
| grapex | Hopefully we can put some people on Tempest at Rax soon | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: I'm still working on the dib patch. Sort of needed to shift focus for a bit. | 18:14 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, we could take care of list (HTTP GET) operation while | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | yes denis_makogon: it's possible to get entire chunks of the API tested in the meanwhile. | 18:15 |
| denis_makogon | then you'll become a bit free (i suppose) to take care of dib elements | 18:15 |
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| denis_makogon | SlickNik, i already had draft for list operations | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: I'll look to have something by end of this week, so we can proceed with the guest tests as well. | 18:16 |
| denis_makogon | sounds amazing | 18:16 |
| denis_makogon | any way, very good job SlickNik | 18:16 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Awesome job. | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | So, I found this very useful when coming up to speed: | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69501/ | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | oops | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | #undo | 18:17 |
| cp16net | lol | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/ | 18:17 |
| denis_makogon | yes, very useful link | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | And here's (at a high level) the list of trove functionality to write tests for: | 18:18 |
| denis_makogon | there are tons of info that makes writing tests easier | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-tempest-items | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | I'll keep you guys updated with progress on the tests. | 18:19 |
| denis_makogon | thanks | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | That's pretty much all I had. | 18:19 |
| denis_makogon | we'll do the same | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | Thanks. | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | back to you grapex | 18:20 |
| denis_makogon | grapex, you are chairman | 18:20 |
| denis_makogon | lead us | 18:20 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Thanks for all your work on this. | 18:20 |
| grapex | #topic Open discussion. | 18:20 |
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| grapex | Short agenda this week! | 18:20 |
| denis_makogon | could i take few words ? | 18:20 |
| grapex | By the way, hub_cap was sick today. He wishes us all the best. :) | 18:21 |
| vipul | that's kind of him | 18:21 |
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| grapex | Anything anyone wants to discuss? | 18:21 |
| esmute | Austin ppl, which hotels (or area) do you recommend staying at? | 18:21 |
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| doug_shelley66 | the parelastic team is at the Intercontinental | 18:21 |
| doug_shelley66 | it appears to be 1 block from the meeting place | 18:22 |
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| grapex | esmute: Go wherever hub_cap says | 18:22 |
| denis_makogon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69450/ - i'd like to heat anyone thoughts about that patch | 18:22 |
| robertmyers | why not at the Omni? | 18:22 |
| grapex | That's been my travel experience | 18:22 |
| denis_makogon | *hear | 18:22 |
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| esmute | doug_shelley66: Cool.. will consider that.. and what hub_cap says | 18:22 |
| doug_shelley66 | hub_cap put a list on the wiki page he has for the event | 18:22 |
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| doug_shelley66 | intercontinental was on the list | 18:23 |
| cp16net | link it? | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: I'd not like to review specific patches during a meeting. Perhaps take it offline in openstack-trove after. | 18:23 |
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| doug_shelley66 | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/IcehouseCycleMeetup#Event_Details | 18:23 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Agreed | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: if there's a bigger issue with a patch/set of patches which needs discussion, we can bring it up as a topic. | 18:24 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, oh, i know, i just let all of you know, that it would be good to see that one reviewd | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: Oh, I see. Noted. | 18:24 |
| denis_makogon | thanks | 18:24 |
| denis_makogon | sorry for interruption | 18:24 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/IcehouseCycleMeetup#Event_Details | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | no worries, denis_makogon )) | 18:25 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, good | 18:25 |
| denis_makogon | guys, have you received summit tickets with discount ? | 18:25 |
| datsun180b | I have | 18:26 |
| grapex | Quick note regarding hotel recommendations: I need to ask my wife's permission but I will be renting out my living room couch at the low, low price of $800 a night. This includes a free continental breakfast consisting of cereal and one cup of coffee. | 18:26 |
| datsun180b | oh man, you get cereal! | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | I think they started sending them (the ATC passes) out yesterday. | 18:27 |
| datsun180b | i've been eating granola bars like a sucker | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | grapex: That sounds like a steal! | 18:27 |
| vgnbkr_1 | what's the kick-back on that? | 18:27 |
| grapex | datsun180b: It'll be either Muslix or Toasted O's (a local Cheerio imitation), subject to availability | 18:27 |
| cp16net | hehe | 18:27 |
| datsun180b | that first one's great, don't knock it | 18:27 |
| datsun180b | just add a little honey and stir | 18:27 |
| grapex | So... anything else? | 18:28 |
| datsun180b | yeah, eat it before it hits room temp | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | Oh one thing I'd like to mention. | 18:29 |
| grapex | SlickNik: ok | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | There were some issues with the new pypy gate job, and the libxml client library that the trove-client uses. | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | essentially libxml is a C library that pypy doesn't support. | 18:29 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Good point. It shouldn't be too hard to make that import optional | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | So I've made the pypy job on the trove-client non-voting for now. | 18:30 |
| grapex | or wait until XML is gone and just remove it | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | We're planning to rip out xml anyhow. | 18:30 |
| robertmyers | technically we can remove it from the client right now | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | So I spoke to hub cap and am gonna rip it out of the client. | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | And turn the job back on. | 18:30 |
| robertmyers | SlickNik: good | 18:30 |
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| grapex | SlickNik: Sounds good to me. | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | Yeah, robertmyers. That's the plan. | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | Just a heads up. | 18:31 |
| esmute | sorry to break it to you but my nutritionist told me that cereal is actually bad for your body... It contains sugar, carbs and other stuff.. and the bad things far outweights the good | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | Thanks. | 18:31 |
| imsplitbit | esmute: nutritionists are bad for your health | 18:31 |
| grapex | esmute: Well my anthropomorphic cartoon tiger routinely refers to them as "great." | 18:32 |
| jimbobhickville | it's ok, next year they will be telling us how all we should do is eat cereal | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | And with that I'm really done. | 18:32 |
| esmute | same with orange juice. Even the one that says 'Not from concentrate" | 18:32 |
| grapex | Ok, cool | 18:32 |
| grapex | Well, let's take it back to #openstack-trove | 18:32 |
| grapex | Thanks everyone | 18:32 |
| grapex | #endmeeting | 18:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 29 18:32:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-01-29-18.00.html | 18:32 |
| esmute | Thanks! | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-01-29-18.00.txt | 18:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-01-29-18.00.log.html | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | Thanks for running the meeting, grapex! | 18:33 |
| cp16net | thx | 18:33 |
| cp16net | i think its a record. | 18:33 |
| esp | yay! | 18:33 |
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