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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 02:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 2 02:01:33 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 02:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 02:01 |
| sarob | roll call for new date and time | 02:01 |
| * sarob sigh | 02:02 | |
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| sarob | #info looks like a miscommunication, closing meeting until worked out | 02:12 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 02:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 2 02:12:32 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-10-02-02.01.html | 02:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-10-02-02.01.txt | 02:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-10-02-02.01.log.html | 02:12 |
| dguitarbitee | hello | 02:12 |
| sarob | hi there | 02:12 |
| sarob | im not sure if the new meeting time is 7am pdt or 7pm pdt | 02:13 |
| sarob | seems wires crossed | 02:13 |
| sarob | if you want to talk, skype me, im getting on the road | 02:14 |
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| dguitarbitee | ok | 02:17 |
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| cweid | o/ | 19:53 |
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| dmakogon_ipod | o/ | 19:57 |
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| * juice o/ | 20:00 | |
| imsplitbit | o/ | 20:00 |
| hub_cap | he | 20:00 |
| hub_cap | #startmeeting trove | 20:00 |
| grapex | o/ | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 2 20:00:46 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 20:00 |
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| robertmy_ | o/ | 20:00 |
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| datsun180b | just in time | 20:00 |
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| cp16net | o^/ | 20:01 |
| robertmy_ | nick robertmyers | 20:01 |
| pdmars_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| redthrux | o/ | 20:01 |
| kevinconway | \0/ | 20:01 |
| robertmy_ | ha | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 20:01 |
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| hub_cap | nice robertmy_ | 20:01 |
| dmakogon_ipod | o/ | 20:01 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | at least u didnt show your password like grapex did once | 20:01 |
| yogesh | hi | 20:01 |
| datsun180b | hunter2 | 20:01 |
| esmute | hai | 20:01 |
| grapex | hub_cap: The worst part was that it was 12345 | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-09-25-20.03.html | 20:01 |
| kevinconway | i'm going to hunter2 you up datsun180b | 20:01 |
| mattgriffin | hi | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | thats my luggage password grapex | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | so is slick not around vipul? | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | i didnt do nuttun wrt launchpad + perms | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | #action SlickNik, hub_cap to check with other teams to set groups permissions correctly on LaunchPad | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | i think what we need is a -bugs team | 20:03 |
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| vipul | o/ | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | ok moving on | 20:03 |
| SlickNik | here | 20:03 |
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| hub_cap | ok | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: did u do anything wrt the LP stuff? | 20:03 |
| dmakogon_ipod | hub_cap: -contributors team | 20:03 |
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| SlickNik | hub_cap: nope, haven't had a chance. | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | moving on | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | #topic rolling back resources | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rolling back resources (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:04 | |
| hub_cap | so | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | historically we have not rolled back resources | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | and we have let a delete clean up | 20:05 |
| dmakogon_ipod | i'm here | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_ipod: has suggested to clean up some of the things when a failure happens | 20:05 |
| dmakogon_ipod | main idea for rolling back is to avoid quota exceedance | 20:05 |
| isviridov_ | why some, but not all? | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | well i have a Q | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | do the items you roll back have quotas associated with them? | 20:05 |
| esmute | yes | 20:06 |
| redthrux | yeah - i was ging to say do you have a lower quota for security groups than instances | 20:06 |
| dmakogon_ipod | isviridov: one component per review | 20:06 |
| dmakogon_ipod | hub_cap: no | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | ok so then the quota exceedance does not matter here right? | 20:06 |
| dmakogon_ipod | security groups quota controlls by nova | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | ok so we are talking about the 3rd party quotas, and im sure DNS will be the same | 20:07 |
| redthrux | so i've got a couple of issues: 1) delete instance call when dns support is enabled causes instance delete to fail if dns entry doesn't exist | 20:07 |
| dmakogon_ipod | nova quota exceedance is matter, but this one is out of trove scope | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | but our main quota is instance, right? | 20:07 |
| dmakogon_ipod | redthrux: this is a bug | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | if you have an instance, in failed or building state | 20:07 |
| dmakogon_ipod | hub_cap: yes | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | its a part of your quotas | 20:07 |
| esmute | so when an instance errors in the models (either because of sec-group or DNS), a record in teh DB is created | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | you get 1 less instance you can provision | 20:07 |
| redthrux | +1 hub_cap, esmute | 20:08 |
| dmakogon_ipod | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45723/ - although take a look at it | 20:08 |
| redthrux | and we're only rolling back if prepare fails? | 20:08 |
| grapex | redthrux: It seems like we could handle that by not failing the delete if an associated resource can't be found (i.e. was already deleted or orphaned) | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | right esmute so when you do a POST /instances, no matter the outcome of it | 20:08 |
| esmute | when the exception is raised, the quota engine rolls back the quota... back to what it was originally was | 20:08 |
| esmute | but then the record is still there | 20:08 |
| cp16net | +1 grapex | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | esmute: so if a instance is in FAILED status, its not a part o the quotas? | 20:08 |
| esmute | so when the user tries to delete that instance, the quota will falsely decrese | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | ok thats a bug esmute | 20:08 |
| redthrux | grapex - yes - basically i'm saying this has to be addressed as a prerequisite to cleaning up | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | ok im really confused | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | let me reiterate | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | with what should happen | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | 1) an instance is created | 20:09 |
| esmute | so what the rollback is trying to do is also to rollback the db record crated | 20:09 |
| esmute | created* | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | 2) the quota is increased | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | 3) a fialure occurs | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | 4) the quotas remain the same | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | 5) a user deletes | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | 6) the quota goes back down by 1 | 20:09 |
| esmute | 1) instance is created | 20:09 |
| esmute | 2) quota is increased | 20:10 |
| esmute | 3) failure occurs in the models (different if it occurs in TM) | 20:10 |
| esmute | 4) quota catches the exception and rolls back quota to orignal value | 20:10 |
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| grapex | esmute: What is the distinction for 3? By models do you mean if it fails in the api daemon? | 20:10 |
| esmute | 5) the user sees the instance still there (because it was not rolled back) | 20:10 |
| esmute | 6) user does delete | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | esmute: this is not a conversation abou tthe bug | 20:11 |
| esmute | 7) quota usages decreases (falsely) | 20:11 |
| SlickNik | esmute: I think what hub_cap is saying is that if the instance is around (even in FAILED state), the quota shouldn't be rolled back. | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | that you have found / fixed | 20:11 |
| redthrux | it's about resources | 20:11 |
| redthrux | esmute ^^ | 20:11 |
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| redthrux | so - things like dns fall under this | 20:11 |
| dmakogon_ipod | esmute: current trove state is that userc cannot delete stucked instance | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | lets not worry about that right now | 20:11 |
| esmute | grapex: Once the request goes to the TM, the quota usage is committed... | 20:11 |
| redthrux | stucked how dmakogon_ipod | 20:11 |
| esmute | but if it fails in the API, the quota is rolled back | 20:12 |
| dmakogon_ipod | BUILDING status on poll_untill | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | we should fix a stuck instance | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | rather than roll back _some_ of the resources | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | that will lead to more confusion | 20:12 |
| redthrux | okay - dmakogon_ipod - that means the prepare call failed | 20:12 |
| dmakogon_ipod | hub_cap: how ?? | 20:12 |
| SlickNik | So, the quota should really be tied to the resource. | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | do you know the reason for it getting stuck? | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_ipod: ^^ | 20:12 |
| esmute | what we can do is mark the instance as FAILED or ERROR but do not re-rasie the error | 20:12 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Agreed. If we roll back resources because something failed we'll end up duplicating logic to delete resources that already exists in the delete call | 20:12 |
| esmute | otherwise the quota will roll back | 20:13 |
| redthrux | we actually shouldn't wait for instances to come out of BUILD status with a timeout | 20:13 |
| dmakogon_ipod | redthrux: it means that instance cannot be repaired | 20:13 |
| SlickNik | If the resource still exists in the DB, the quota should be +1 | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | ok we are rabbit holing | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | *holeing | 20:13 |
| redthrux | i don't think rolling back is smart period | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | this is not helping the decison | 20:13 |
| kevinconway | *wholing? | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: 1) users, 2) punch | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | its a matter of do we roll back resources on a poll_until timeout | 20:14 |
| redthrux | i'd rather us reorder things - dns before prepare - and if prepare fails, then we marked as failed | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | right? | 20:14 |
| cweid | 3) profit. | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | lol | 20:14 |
| grapex | esmute: So if the quota is falsely updated if it fails int he api daemon, i.e. before the taskmanager, I think the resolution is to make the failed state happening int he api daemon something which is shown to the user as FAILED but maybe is a different state (has a different description) | 20:14 |
| SlickNik | cweid: lol | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | clear ; | 20:14 |
| redthrux | i actually loathe that a slow prepare call - that eventually finishes - can cause an instance be in failed status | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | 1:14 PM hub_cap its a matter of do we roll back resources on a poll_until timeout | 20:14 |
| grapex | Actually, let's talk about the bug esmute brought up after we finish talking about dmakogon_ipod's topic. | 20:14 |
| dmakogon_ipod | as customer i don't know anything about low-level deployment, so if it cannot become active it is broken, and customer should delete it, but he can't | 20:14 |
| redthrux | this happens - i've seen it with my own eyes | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | grapex: sure we can add it to the end of the agenda | 20:14 |
| esmute | grapex: agree. But if we do that, we cant re-raise the error.. Otherwise the quota will rollback to what it was before | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | lets not talk about esmute's bug | 20:15 |
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| hub_cap | its not the topic | 20:15 |
| redthrux | i'd like us to understand the poll until is for USAGE - | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | period | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | 1:14 PM hub_cap its a matter of do we roll back resources on a poll_until timeout | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | 1:14 PM hub_cap its a matter of do we roll back resources on a poll_until timeout | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | 1:14 PM hub_cap its a matter of do we roll back resources on a poll_until timeout | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | lets talk about this | 20:15 |
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| hub_cap | and this only | 20:15 |
| esmute | hub_cap: The fix for this rollback affect mine bug :P | 20:15 |
| robertmyers | lets cut out the poll until | 20:15 |
| vipul | what's the definition of rollback? | 20:15 |
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| vipul | delete everything? | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45708/ | 20:15 |
| vipul | or mark somthing in a terminal status | 20:15 |
| dmakogon_ipod | vipul: no | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | no vipul, to remove security groups | 20:16 |
| dmakogon_ipod | vipul: we suppose to leave instance and nothing else | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45708/29/trove/taskmanager/models.py | 20:16 |
| SlickNik | vipul: delete associated artifacts. | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | everyone look @ that | 20:16 |
| amcrn | a consistent view of the world, in my opinion, is that if a virtual/physical asset is still provisioned (whether it's active or failed), the quota should not be rolled back. An important addendum is that a user/admin should be able to delete an instance in BUILD/ERROR to subtract the current quota usage. So, in short, we should not (imho) rollback resources on a poll_until timeout. | 20:16 |
| SlickNik | where associated artifacts = security groups. | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | amcrn: thats what ive been tying to say | 20:17 |
| vipul | I don't agree with removing /deleiting resources explicitly on timeout | 20:17 |
| SlickNik | FWIW: I'm of the view that we should not roll back. | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | that was my 6 step program | 20:17 |
| vipul | i do agree with marking it as deelted | 20:17 |
| amcrn | hub_cap: I'm agreeing with you :) | 20:17 |
| dmakogon_ipod | amcrn: that is why i suggested to update status on poll_until timeout | 20:17 |
| vipul | err.. error | 20:17 |
| grapex | amcrn: +1 | 20:17 |
| SlickNik | explicit is better than implicit in this case. | 20:17 |
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| vipul | because the idea is that when the user issues a delete, it will remove the assoicated resources | 20:17 |
| SlickNik | Because something failed when the user wasn't looking. | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | https://gist.github.com/hub-cap/6799894 | 20:17 |
| cp16net | amcrn: +1 | 20:17 |
| dmakogon_ipod | vipul: if it so, you would get quota exceeded exception on next provisioning | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | look @ that gist | 20:18 |
| vipul | that's fine.. you need to delete | 20:18 |
| grapex | hub_cap: That's esmute's issue | 20:18 |
| redthrux | dmakogon_ipod: then you can call delete | 20:18 |
| redthrux | yes | 20:18 |
| grapex | Do we want to talk about that now? | 20:18 |
| juice | i think manual delete/cleanup of resources is fine if you are talking one or two errors but this does not scale | 20:18 |
| vipul | if you have instances in Error, those count against quota | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_ipod: only if you have misconfigured quotas in nova would you have quota issues | 20:18 |
| esmute | hub_cap: what do you mean by "4) the quotas remain the same"? | 20:18 |
| juice | we are provisioning a whole system not parts | 20:18 |
| juice | i see it as a complete transaction either completely done or completely undone | 20:19 |
| esmute | 4) quota rolls back | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | you prov a resource, it is a hit to quotas, period | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | no | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | they should not | 20:19 |
| dmakogon_ipod | hub_cap: suppose we have less sec.gr than VMs in qouta | 20:19 |
| grapex | I feel like the real problem here is dmakogon_ipod has encountered a case where the delete call is unable to fully work. We need to fix that case. | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | if a user deletes, then quotas roll back | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_ipod: then you will hit the issue even w/o rollbacks | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | 10 instances, 8 secgroups | 20:19 |
| esmute | ok..that is what grapex suggested | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | even w/ perfect instance provisioning | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | you will get 8 instances | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | and 2 failures | 20:19 |
| grapex | juice: I think if we want to switch to using transactions, maybe we (wait for it everyone) wait for Heat. :) | 20:19 |
| dmakogon_ipod | hub_cap: no, nova assignes default sec.gr to instance | 20:20 |
| juice | if heat addresses this issue then we should not build our own | 20:20 |
| vipul | it's a workflow type of scenario.. you have a distributed loosely coupled system.. you cant' impelemnt transactions unless you impolement workflow | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | s/heat/lets not talk about this/ | 20:20 |
| redthrux | lol | 20:20 |
| kevinconway | grapex: turn up the HEAT! | 20:20 |
| isviridov_ | yep, heat has a parameter to rollback or not | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | hey lets not talk heat | 20:21 |
| grapex | kevinconway: The heat is on. | 20:21 |
| redthrux | so - wait - I think the consensus is to say "don't roll back parts of an instance" | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_ipod: tell me what you mean | 20:21 |
| grapex | kevinconway: It's on the street. | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | well everyone agrees w/ that but dmakogon_ipod, rev | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | *redthrux | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | and id like to get his opinion on it | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_ipod: explain the scenario plz | 20:21 |
| dmakogon_ipod | hub_cap: if you cannot create new security group that pass None, and nova would assign default security group to instance and that's it | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | we do not check that a secgrp is honored by nova? | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | thats a bug | 20:22 |
| dmakogon_ipod | but, default sec. gr is shared | 20:23 |
| dmakogon_ipod | you cannot add identic rules to it | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | i understand that | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | but do we not check that the secgrp we created is honored | 20:23 |
| dmakogon_ipod | current workflow missing checks for creation groups/rules | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | so i understand what dmakogon_ipod is saying, but a rollback woudl not change the scenario | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | right? | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | misconfiguration can be the cause too | 20:25 |
| dmakogon_ipod | yes | 20:25 |
| redthrux | that's what it sounds like | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | so im not sure that rolling back will "fix" this | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | and it does leave things in a different state between nova and trove | 20:25 |
| dmakogon_ipod | ok, than we should update status | 20:25 |
| dmakogon_ipod | instance and task status to let user be able to delete instances with BUILDING/FAILED/ERROR statuses | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | yes definitely dmakogon_ipod | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | if we dont, we have a bug | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | users should be able to delete failed instances | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | and instances should go failed if they are broken (fail timeout) | 20:27 |
| dmakogon_ipod | hub_cap: but i'm still offering deleting components that are not controlled by trove quota | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | the delete will do that dmakogon_ipod | 20:27 |
| redthrux | right - the instance delete call will do that. | 20:27 |
| dmakogon_ipod | what would it do if there is no specific component ? | 20:28 |
| redthrux | and - why roll back anything - people running the infra will want to investigate what's going on with a delete | 20:28 |
| dmakogon_ipod | we already heard about dns | 20:28 |
| Key5_ | can we implement a API call like "refresh all"? | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | we would not fail if it does nto exist | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | but ther is no reason to "roll back" | 20:28 |
| dmakogon_ipod | hub_cap: even if support is turned on ? | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | if you try to delete dns, for example, and it does not exist properly | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | because it failed | 20:29 |
| dmakogon_ipod | hub_cap: than how it failes with DNS ? | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | then it should just skip it and finish the delete | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | its a bug dmakogon_ipod | 20:29 |
| dmakogon_ipod | hub_cap: ok | 20:29 |
| redthrux | +1 hub_cap | 20:29 |
| redthrux | i filed it | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | core team, do we have consensus? we should move on. so far i have 1) we have a bug in delete logic, 2) we will not rollback on create | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | are we good? ready to move on? | 20:30 |
| SlickNik | I'm good. | 20:30 |
| redthrux | here's the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1233852 | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | we have lots of stuff to do | 20:30 |
| dmakogon_ipod | hub_cap: i'll fix my review with status update tomorrow | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | <3 dmakogon_ipod | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | #topic Cloud-init service extensions | 20:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cloud-init service extensions (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:30 | |
| dmakogon_ipod | so, security group workflow update would be abandoned | 20:31 |
| dmakogon_ipod | ahhh | 20:31 |
| dmakogon_ipod | my topic again | 20:31 |
| esmute | guys, can you have that in writing somewhere? | 20:31 |
| dmakogon_ipod | #link https://gist.github.com/crazymac/6791694 | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | esmute: it is in writing, this is logged :) | 20:31 |
| vipul | hub_cap: I would want to mark it as 'error' though | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | yes vipul i think dmakogon_ipod will do that | 20:32 |
| esmute | dmakogon_ipod: are you abandoning that fix? | 20:32 |
| amcrn | to elaborate on esmute's point, can we get a table of scenarios with desired end states? | 20:32 |
| dmakogon_ipod | vipul hub_cap: error for which status ? | 20:32 |
| dmakogon_ipod | instance of service ? | 20:32 |
| vipul | instance status | 20:32 |
| dmakogon_ipod | ok | 20:32 |
| dmakogon_ipod | got it | 20:33 |
| dmakogon_ipod | now it's another topic | 20:33 |
| dmakogon_ipod | updating cloud-init before passing it into userdata | 20:33 |
| dmakogon_ipod | my idea is described in gist | 20:33 |
| dmakogon_ipod | please, take a look | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | yes i think that this is ok | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | im fine w/ it | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | but we need to really focus on heat support too | 20:34 |
| dmakogon_ipod | yse | 20:34 |
| dmakogon_ipod | definitely | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | and when we do | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | itll be easy to shift to it | 20:34 |
| dmakogon_ipod | i already mark it for TODO | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | ok great | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | i have no issues w/ it, so we good to move on? | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | #topic Configuration + service type | 20:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Configuration + service type (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:37 | |
| dmakogon_ipod | ashestakov ? | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | hey guys i will say thx to dmakogon_ipod and isviridov_ for putting their names on their topics | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | very smart | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_ipod: this must be from last wk? | 20:37 |
| dmakogon_ipod | maybe | 20:37 |
| isviridov_ | hub_cap, yep. i've removed one. Please refresh | 20:38 |
| dmakogon_ipod | someone forgot to update it, right ?))) | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | andrey is not around ya? | 20:38 |
| dmakogon_ipod | seems like yes | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | isviridov_ k | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | #action moving on :) | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | yogesh: what should i call your next topic? | 20:38 |
| cp16net | sounds good | 20:38 |
| cp16net | lots of this is on the ML | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | #topic service registration | 20:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "service registration (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:39 | |
| cp16net | read it there | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41055/ | 20:39 |
| yogesh | yup... | 20:39 |
| dmakogon_ipod | is it updated ? | 20:39 |
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| dmakogon_ipod | #link https://gist.github.com/crazymac/6784871 | 20:39 |
| yogesh | dmakogon_ipod: please update the gist per the latest decision | 20:39 |
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| yogesh | or is it already... :-) | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | ok do we need to talk about this? | 20:40 |
| yogesh | we are good... | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | ok cool | 20:40 |
| dmakogon_ipod | yogesh: there was a typo ))) | 20:40 |
| yogesh | yeah... | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | #topic trove-conductor | 20:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "trove-conductor (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:40 | |
| yogesh | but the intent is clear.. | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: go go go | 20:40 |
| konetzed | yea! | 20:40 |
| kevinconway | datsun180b: update? | 20:41 |
| datsun180b | hello | 20:41 |
| kevinconway | datsun180b: conductor code? | 20:41 |
| datsun180b | i'm sorting out problems with restart and unit tests but conductor at the moment successfully intercepts mysql status updates | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | horray | 20:41 |
| datsun180b | it's more than a trove review, there's also a devstack review linked in the agenda. | 20:41 |
| amcrn | nice | 20:41 |
| dmakogon_ipod | yogesh: done, gist updated | 20:41 |
| kevinconway | can you link? | 20:42 |
| datsun180b | one moment | 20:42 |
| yogesh | dmakogon_ipod: cool thanks | 20:42 |
| datsun180b | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45116/ | 20:42 |
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| datsun180b | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49237/ | 20:42 |
| kevinconway | datsun180b: do you have links? | 20:42 |
| hub_cap | datsun180b: anything else to say on teh subject? | 20:42 |
| datsun180b | at the moment no, but i'd appreciate eyeballs and advice on the code i've shared so far | 20:43 |
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| datsun180b | that's pretty much it for me | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | moving on, great work datsun180b | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | #topic trove-heat | 20:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "trove-heat (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:44 | |
| hub_cap | yogesh: go | 20:44 |
| yogesh | hub_cap: i listed down some points from trove/heat integration perspective... https://gist.github.com/mehrayogesh/6798720 | 20:44 |
| kevinconway | can you folks making gists make sure to put in line breaks so everything fits in the frame? | 20:44 |
| yogesh | point 1 and 2 can be skipped... | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: +++++++++++++ | 20:45 |
| yogesh | as hardening is anyway in progress and heat events are not supported as of now... | 20:45 |
| yogesh | polling is the only way for checking the stack status in heat.. | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | im very happy to hear that heat support is going to be fixed up | 20:46 |
| yogesh | hub_cap: on its way... | 20:46 |
| yogesh | :-) | 20:46 |
| yogesh | point 3: template in code, should be configurable....is there a reasoning.... | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | template should not be in code | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | well | 20:47 |
| yogesh | sure... | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | the template should be "built" | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | some tings, like user data should be configurable | 20:47 |
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| hub_cap | but other things like, the instance itslef in the yaml, can be generated | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | it will make building a multi node stack easier | 20:48 |
| yogesh | yes agreed... | 20:48 |
| dmakogon_ipod | yogesh hub_cap: could we externalize template out of taskamanager ? | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_ipod: thats the plan i think | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | i think yogesh asked about it | 20:49 |
| yogesh | it'll be externalized.. | 20:49 |
| dmakogon_ipod | and store it like cloud-init script | 20:49 |
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| yogesh | but then we won't have a completely cooked template... | 20:49 |
| yogesh | it'll be created dynamically | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | right yogesh | 20:49 |
| dmakogon_ipod | ok | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | and some parts will be config'd | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | like user data | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | and some will just be generated | 20:49 |
| yogesh | hub_cap: absolutely.... | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | perfect | 20:50 |
| kevinconway | are you going to generate your template using template templates? | 20:50 |
| isviridov_ | what template parts are you going to generate? | 20:50 |
| yogesh | point 4. | 20:50 |
| dmakogon_ipod | i'd like to take a look at mechanism of dinamic creation of heat template | 20:50 |
| yogesh | i'll keep updating the GIST and mark it off to you guys.. | 20:50 |
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| hub_cap | isviridov_ the part that defines the # of instances, so u can generate a stack w/ > 1 instance | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | for clustering | 20:50 |
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| hub_cap | dmakogon_ipod: once yogesh publishes the review you will be abel to :) | 20:51 |
| yogesh | the epecific user scripts will be configurable... | 20:51 |
| kevinconway | can't you just roll a jinja2 template for the HEAT templates? | 20:51 |
| Key5_ | do we want to use HEAT HOT DSL? | 20:51 |
| isviridov_ | number of instances can be parametrized | 20:51 |
| kevinconway | it supports IF and ELSE and all that | 20:51 |
| jdbarry | is trove/heat integration spec'd in a blueprint? | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | Key5_: if it impls everything that the cfn does | 20:51 |
| dmakogon_ipod | does heat supports it now ? | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: right, im not sure we are defining the _how_ of template generation | 20:52 |
| yogesh | the design of dynamic template creation can be a separate topic | 20:52 |
| dmakogon_ipod | hub_cap: yogesh: let's take a weed and think about it | 20:52 |
| kevinconway | i was just curious about the term "dynamic template generation" | 20:52 |
| isviridov_ | kevinconway, +1 | 20:52 |
| dmakogon_ipod | keviwconway +1 | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | HAH dmakogon_ipod | 20:52 |
| cweid | i AM DOWN | 20:53 |
| imsplitbit | I think he meant "week" | 20:53 |
| cweid | oops caps | 20:53 |
| yogesh | dynamic, in the sense that there is not a precooked yaml/template file which gets loaded into heat | 20:53 |
| dmakogon_ipod | iyes | 20:53 |
| dmakogon_ipod | yes | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | cweid: too bad u cant specify font size in irc | 20:53 |
| yogesh | template generation will be abstracted... | 20:53 |
| kevinconway | i guess my confusion was with template | 20:53 |
| kevinconway | i think of template like jinja2 template, but it means something else in HEAT | 20:53 |
| yogesh | yup... | 20:54 |
| dmakogon_ipod | i thinks we could have minimaly working template and than extend it for need os each service | 20:54 |
| yogesh | dynamic heat template generation, i should say | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | so topic 4 | 20:54 |
| kevinconway | so when you say dynamic template you mean parameterizing your HEAT templates | 20:54 |
| kevinconway | yeah ok, thanks for the clarification | 20:54 |
| yogesh | point 4... | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | yogesh: lets talk about pt 4 | 20:54 |
| yogesh | for multi instance templates... | 20:54 |
| yogesh | marking it back into the instance list in trove... | 20:55 |
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| hub_cap | ok i think we need to know that its > 1 instance | 20:55 |
| yogesh | yeah... | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | so we will have to put something in the db | 20:55 |
| yogesh | yup | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | but im not sure i want to call them separate instances | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | ^ ^ people working on clustering api will kill me | 20:55 |
| yogesh | and relateing it to point 5 | 20:55 |
| yogesh | do we need an instance-group abstraction in trove | 20:55 |
| yogesh | :-D | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | amcrn: do u remember when i asked you about making a cluster an instance a few wks ago? ;) | 20:56 |
| yogesh | hub_cap: i akinda agree... :-) | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | the topic has come back up, and i like it | 20:56 |
| yogesh | instance_group classification in trove would be nice... | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | yes yogesh we will need to define somethign liek thsi for clustering | 20:56 |
| yogesh | make the pipeline all aligned... | 20:56 |
| yogesh | awesome.. | 20:57 |
| isviridov_ | do we have a BP for heat integration? | 20:57 |
| dmakogon_ipod | instance group - it is like cluster but in theory ? | 20:57 |
| yogesh | in addition, do we think that there is any part which may be missing and needs to be taken care of...just wanted to have a trove/heat task list...from multi instance / clustering perspective | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | ok 3 min left, here is what weve come up with | 20:58 |
| amcrn | correct, yes | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | an instance is an instance is a cluster | 20:58 |
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| hub_cap | amcrn: hehe its come back up ;) | 20:58 |
| yogesh | conceptually, whether multiple instances always will be spun for clustering... | 20:59 |
| yogesh | thinking aloud... | 20:59 |
| amcrn | :| | 20:59 |
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| hub_cap | ok time to end | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 2 21:00:12 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| yogesh | hub_cap: an instance is an instance is a cluster, sounds good | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-02-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-02-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-10-02-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| grapex | Talk to you guys later | 21:01 |
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