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| markwash | o/ | 14:01 |
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| nikhil | o/ | 14:01 |
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| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 15 14:02:25 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:02 |
| markwash | lets see if folks show up today, I forgot to send out a reminder :-) | 14:02 |
| vasiliy | hi | 14:03 |
| markwash | vasiliy: hi! | 14:03 |
| flwang | o/ | 14:04 |
| vasiliy | markwash: I'd like to discuss blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/glance-nfs-storage-support and the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39080/ | 14:04 |
| iccha | hey | 14:05 |
| nikhil | markwash: i'd shared some progress with flwang yesterday ( https://github.com/komawar/glance/commits/async-workers-2 ) | 14:06 |
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| nikhil | might help him with his work | 14:06 |
| markwash | okay | 14:07 |
| nikhil | also, wanted to discuss why worked on this part (why was getting blocked on other parts of code due to lack of db support atm) | 14:07 |
| iccha | markwash: venkatesh and me have been discussing db optimization some. just some concerns maybe we can bring up in open discussion | 14:07 |
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| vasiliy | markwash: my question is - do we need to continue working on this patch. could you please take a look at my latest comment in the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39080/ | 14:07 |
| nikhil | esheffield: o/ | 14:07 |
| esheffield | \o | 14:07 |
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| markwash | okay, lets talk a bit about async processing first, and then take a look at nfs and db stuff, sound good? | 14:08 |
| iccha | yup | 14:08 |
| nikhil | +1 | 14:08 |
| vasiliy | ok | 14:08 |
| markwash | the first thing I want to mention there is | 14:09 |
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| markwash | I retargeted the relevant blueprints to the "next" milestone | 14:09 |
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| markwash | which is essentially my way of saying that they're approved and important | 14:09 |
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| flwang | markwash: so when is our feature freeze date? | 14:10 |
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| markwash | but that I don't want to communicate any sense of delivery date that isn't pretty certain | 14:10 |
| markwash | flwang, we don't have one apart from the the general openstack one, let me look | 14:10 |
| markwash | looks like september 5th | 14:11 |
| markwash | well, september 4th actually | 14:11 |
| markwash | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule | 14:11 |
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| markwash | nikhil: flwang how is coordination going? | 14:12 |
| flwang | got it, thanks, markwash | 14:12 |
| nikhil | markwash: undersatnd what flwang is approaching here | 14:13 |
| markwash | oh? | 14:13 |
| nikhil | and looks like i won't step on his toes | 14:13 |
| nikhil | and venkatesh and I are talking a bit today on how we can get some db migration+driver code going | 14:14 |
| markwash | okay cool | 14:14 |
| flwang | based on the assignment of last meeting, I'm responsible from api part | 14:14 |
| nikhil | i meant undersatnd that flwang is working on the api part and that he may need db code (not sure) | 14:14 |
| flwang | nikhil and I have discussed it yesterday | 14:14 |
| markwash | okay cool | 14:14 |
| nikhil | however if it helps we have some discussion/work in progress | 14:14 |
| markwash | yes, I saw your link, I'd like to look into it some today | 14:15 |
| nikhil | sure, that would be great | 14:15 |
| nikhil | could not sync with you yesterday due to timing conflict | 14:15 |
| nikhil | today for sure | 14:15 |
| markwash | okay. . vasiliy shall we talk a bit about nfs? | 14:15 |
| vasiliy | markwash: yes - please | 14:15 |
| vasiliy | so, we have a lot of comments from community | 14:16 |
| vasiliy | please read my latest comment on patch to be on the same page | 14:16 |
| markwash | okay, one sec | 14:17 |
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| vasiliy | I have only one question - would community like to have this feature or not? we spent a lot of time but 'meta data' FileSystem store can solve the same problem - return 'direct url' to clients | 14:17 |
| markwash | that does seem to be an important question | 14:18 |
| markwash | I know that metadata was set up with this kind of thing in mind | 14:18 |
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| markwash | maybe jbresnah had glusterfs more in mind | 14:18 |
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| markwash | but glusterfs and nfs should basically just mean slightly different metadata? | 14:19 |
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| vasiliy | markwash: metadata solution is more common | 14:20 |
| markwash | vasiliy: is there any reason you can think of why metadata would be worse than creating a new store driver? | 14:21 |
| vasiliy | only new features for multi-shares supporting | 14:21 |
| vasiliy | as load balancer, priority and so on | 14:22 |
| markwash | hmm | 14:22 |
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| markwash | what's multi-shares? essentially client-side processing of multiple equivalent nfs paths to data? | 14:22 |
| vasiliy | ability to have several mounted shares and select between them most suitable share to store new image | 14:23 |
| markwash | do you think it would be possible to use multiple fs locations to achieve the same thing? | 14:24 |
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| vasiliy | actualy - I'm not sure that it's possible | 14:25 |
| vasiliy | could please explaine - what do you mean by "multiple FS locations"? | 14:26 |
| markwash | sorry, had a brief problem on my end and had to run. . but I'm back | 14:26 |
| vasiliy | ok | 14:26 |
| markwash | we added a feature recently to support multiple image locations--an image can share with the client that it is stored in multiple places and where those places are | 14:26 |
| markwash | the idea sounds similar to multishares, except broader than nfs | 14:27 |
| markwash | so if you store something in both, say, cinder, and swift, the client can pick which one | 14:27 |
| markwash | or if you store an image in two swift endpoints on different systems, the client can pick which one if he wants to do a direct download | 14:27 |
| vasiliy | how can we select in which place - we can put an image? | 14:28 |
| markwash | we haven't quite gotten that far, but it would be possible to start streaming to multiple locations on an upload | 14:29 |
| markwash | or some sort of multi-locations setup based on policy | 14:29 |
| markwash | policy/config | 14:29 |
| markwash | vasiliy: I think it sounds like the answer is we'd prefer to work within existing fs store if at all possible | 14:29 |
| * iccha makes mental note to ask markwash a question related to multiple image locations | 14:30 | |
| vasiliy | we can implement balancing between shares. and I'm not sure that it can be implemented using multiple image locations | 14:30 |
| markwash | vasiliy: is there any reason to believe that load balancing between nfs shares shouldn't be generalized to other forms of storing images? | 14:32 |
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| markwash | we might have to table this for now, since I think it deserves a fair amount of thought | 14:32 |
| vasiliy | markwash: do you mean to hold this feature or discuss it later with other developers? | 14:34 |
| markwash | both | 14:34 |
| markwash | we are pretty close to the end for havana, and I'd rather not rush the design | 14:34 |
| vasiliy | so, when do we need to return back for discuss of it? | 14:35 |
| markwash | can we basically try to discuss it again next week, with jbresnah around? | 14:35 |
| markwash | I really want his input | 14:35 |
| vasiliy | markwash: ok - good | 14:36 |
| markwash | its hard for him to make to the early meeting, since its his 4am | 14:36 |
| vasiliy | oh - clear | 14:36 |
| markwash | of course, it may be a bad time for you next week. . UTC 20:00 | 14:36 |
| markwash | #action markwash discussion with jbresnah about nfs store | 14:37 |
| markwash | vasiliy: let me know if next week's meeting (thursday at utc 20:00) does not work out | 14:37 |
| markwash | iccha: db stuff? | 14:37 |
| markwash | oh and afterwards at some point we should talk again about docs | 14:37 |
| vasiliy | markwash: ok - see you next week | 14:38 |
| iccha | yeah so venkatesh and me were talking about how our joins are getting ever growing | 14:38 |
| iccha | images, members, properties, tags all queried for one call and we were wondering if there is a better way to approach this | 14:38 |
| iccha | fundamental design wise | 14:38 |
| iccha | venkatesh: has a patch up for optimization for now | 14:39 |
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| venkatesh | i am working on it. But still when more filter gets added up esp for properties etc., the query performs slower. | 14:39 |
| markwash | I'd love to see some measurements around these things | 14:40 |
| iccha | +1 what would be the best way to get performance testing in openstack? | 14:40 |
| flwang | iccha: I would like to see some comparison | 14:40 |
| flwang | change and after change | 14:41 |
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| flwang | before change and after change | 14:41 |
| venkatesh | flwang: I am working on it. soon will share it with the team. | 14:41 |
| markwash | for a while I've been toying with the idea of a dedicated glance benchmark suite | 14:41 |
| markwash | but for db stuff, it may make sense to take a different approach | 14:41 |
| esheffield | markwash: you thinking like mongodb or something like that? | 14:42 |
| markwash | oh no, still talking about measuring performance | 14:42 |
| markwash | I mean, for db stuff, it may make sense to put instrumentation in at an internal interface | 14:43 |
| markwash | rather than at the api level, which is what a benchmark would have to do | 14:43 |
| markwash | anyway, for me, I'm interested in seeing slightly more detailed proposals for both incremental and radical changes to the db, but there's a good rule out there, measure before you optimize :-) | 14:44 |
| iccha | we would need a standardize db for that | 14:44 |
| venkatesh | i agree with iccha | 14:45 |
| markwash | interesting, what do you mean by "standardize db" exactly? | 14:45 |
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| iccha | in the sense different developers maybe testing in different envs or scale. the measurement should be done at different scales and numers provided. and i do not know whats a god way to provide a large db for testing for all | 14:46 |
| markwash | ah | 14:47 |
| flwang | we may at least define a rule | 14:47 |
| markwash | I think some kind of standard setup would be helpful for sharing results, but I think we could do some important work without one | 14:47 |
| flwang | such as image list in 0.x sec with 10000+ images :) | 14:48 |
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| markwash | basically, each interested org could have their own "standard" setup, and use it to compare before and after code changes | 14:48 |
| markwash | and publish the results | 14:48 |
| markwash | venkatesh: is there a patch for your optimization stuff? | 14:49 |
| flwang | markwash: +1 | 14:49 |
| venkatesh | yes mark, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41404/ | 14:50 |
| venkatesh | I have done major part of work. In testing phase and collecting some explain plans to compare the results. | 14:50 |
| markwash | okay cool | 14:51 |
| markwash | thanks venkatesh looks like a good idea! | 14:51 |
| venkatesh | but mark the query is growing. we need a check. :) | 14:52 |
| markwash | I agree | 14:52 |
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| venkatesh | also wanted to check with you if we need to send back image properties and locations as well as part of the result? | 14:53 |
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| markwash | I don't quite follow that | 14:53 |
| venkatesh | i meant through left outer join. | 14:53 |
| markwash | real quick, we have 7 minutes left | 14:53 |
| iccha | doc updates markwash | 14:53 |
| venkatesh | no the query returns images with their properties and locations | 14:54 |
| markwash | yes, lets fit in some doc discussion, we can revisit the db performance | 14:54 |
| venkatesh | ok mark | 14:54 |
| * markwash passes the mic to iccha | 14:54 | |
| iccha | markwash: i thought u spoke to some ppl and had updates :) | 14:54 |
| iccha | btw the documentation team is doing some revamping efforts | 14:55 |
| iccha | where there are having contact points from each project to help keep documentation in track | 14:55 |
| markwash | that sounds sensible | 14:55 |
| iccha | so they can be posted on new features and add relevant documentation | 14:56 |
| iccha | they have not started anything concrete yet but will keep us posted | 14:56 |
| iccha | we had some documentation action items from last time | 14:56 |
| iccha | i guess brianr is not here, we can follow up wiht him next meeting | 14:57 |
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| markwash | other brief topics? | 14:57 |
| markwash | 3 mintues left. . . | 14:57 |
| esheffield | real quick - anyone have any updates on the glace service thing we discussed last week? | 14:58 |
| esheffield | I haven't done anything with that since then | 14:58 |
| markwash | . . . | 14:58 |
| markwash | which glance service thing again? | 14:58 |
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| esheffield | the one Ghe was working on - moving that common code from cinder and nova into glance client | 14:59 |
| markwash | ah, right | 14:59 |
| markwash | there was a bit more discussion, and I think we redirected our goals | 15:00 |
| markwash | I think there is a lot of value in having client code that is version independent | 15:00 |
| markwash | in fact, I'm kinda confused that we dont already have that | 15:00 |
| markwash | however, I'm concerned about publishing and supporting the interface pulled from nova/cinder | 15:00 |
| markwash | so we redirected their efforts away from glanceclient | 15:00 |
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| markwash | okay, that's about all we have time for, folks | 15:01 |
| esheffield | ah, ok | 15:01 |
| esheffield | thanks | 15:01 |
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| markwash | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 15 15:01:40 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-08-15-14.02.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-08-15-14.02.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-08-15-14.02.log.html | 15:01 |
| bswartz | thanks markwash | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 15 15:02:09 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:02 |
| bswartz | hello everyone | 15:02 |
| dowillia | Doug Williams here | 15:02 |
| vbellur | bswartz: hello | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | anyone else join? | 15:02 |
| bswartz | hmm I'd expected some new people | 15:03 |
| bswartz | we've certainly be advertising the meeting | 15:03 |
| bswartz | it's just as well however since we don't really have development moving along yet | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ManilaMeetings | 15:03 |
| bswartz | hi navneet | 15:04 |
| navneet | hi Ben | 15:04 |
| samf | I'm here | 15:04 |
| bswartz | esker: are you here | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | ? | 15:04 |
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| vbellur | we need esker for agenda #1 ? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | I'd hoped he would join | 15:05 |
| bswartz | but I can cover this | 15:05 |
| bswartz | So we have a launchpad project | 15:05 |
| dowillia | Shamail (EMC) indicated that he had a meeting conflict and will be later or possibly miss today | 15:05 |
| vbellur | samf: hi | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila | 15:05 |
| bswartz | there's nothing of substance there yet | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I will be translating the original project plan into blueprints for that project | 15:06 |
| bswartz | and assigning them to milestones to track progress | 15:06 |
| vbellur | bswartz: ok | 15:06 |
| bswartz | if you don't have access to something you think you should, please ask me or rob esker | 15:06 |
| vbellur | ok | 15:07 |
| bswartz | at least rob did grant me administratrive rights on the project so I can change what's needed | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #topic resources | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | The only update I have from NetApp is that we're in the process of finished the paperwork to bring 2 people onboard dedicated to this project | 15:08 |
| bswartz | they might be here next week, but definitely by 2 weeks from now | 15:08 |
| bswartz | how are things going on the redhat side? | 15:09 |
| vbellur | bswartz: Things are moving within Red Hat as well. I hope to have an update on availability timeline next week. | 15:09 |
| vbellur | samf: any help that you can provide on resourcing? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | vbellur: do you expect to get more than 1 person? | 15:09 |
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| vbellur | bswartz: yes, it does seem to be trending towards 2 folks working on manila. | 15:10 |
| bswartz | excellent | 15:10 |
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| samf | What are we looking for exactly? I can help with blueprints, but I need to know what else to ask for | 15:11 |
| bswartz | so by next week you'll know when -- but what are you projecting? | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | samf: most of what we need is python coding | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | the work items are currently written down here: | 15:12 |
| vbellur | bswartz: we can help with the refactoring from cinder to manila, evolving the glusterfs driver amongst other things.. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ManilaProjectPlan | 15:12 |
| bswartz | as I said above I'll convert this project plan into LP blueprints | 15:12 |
| samf | ok, i'll let you know by next week | 15:12 |
| bswartz | I'll help w/ coding too after we get our cinder features wrapped up | 15:13 |
| vbellur | bswartz: ok | 15:13 |
| bswartz | okay well it sounds like progress is slow, but looking positive in the near future | 15:13 |
| navneet | I too am willing to contribute after the block stuff | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:14 |
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| vbellur | navneet: Happy Independence Day! | 15:14 |
| vbellur | :) | 15:14 |
| navneet | vbellur: thanks and same to you :) | 15:14 |
| bswartz | samf dowillia navneet esker: in case you don't know we have a #openstack-manila channel established | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I'm nearly always there if you need to find me | 15:15 |
| bswartz | so far it's been quiet, for obvious reasons | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I do expect more people to get involved soon though | 15:15 |
| bswartz | so that's where we will congregate outside these weekly meetings | 15:15 |
| vbellur | bswartz: yes, we should get more momentum shortly. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | anything else? | 15:16 |
| vbellur | nothing much from me atm | 15:16 |
| bswartz | okay see you next week and hope to gain steam as the havana crunch time calms down | 15:17 |
| vbellur | right | 15:17 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 15 15:17:33 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-08-15-15.02.html | 15:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-08-15-15.02.txt | 15:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-08-15-15.02.log.html | 15:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | savanna team meeting will be here in 5 minutes | 17:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hi folks | 18:05 |
| aignatov_ | hi | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 15 18:06:03 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:06 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | are there anyone from Savanna team? | 18:06 |
| mattf | afternoon | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | howdy | 18:06 |
| sballe | afternoon | 18:06 |
| tmckayrh | hi | 18:07 |
| dmitryme | hello | 18:07 |
| macjack | hi | 18:07 |
| aignatov_ | are Hortonworks guys here? | 18:07 |
| * tmckayrh afternoon is so geocentric :) | 18:07 | |
| akuznetsov | hi | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's start | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Agenda | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info News / updates | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Roadmap cleanup / update | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Action items from the last meeting | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info PTL / initial core team elections discussions | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info EDP sync/discussions | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info General discussion | 18:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:10 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:10 | |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info conductor has been finished but not applied as a db manager | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, what's about edp? | 18:11 |
| aignatov_ | ok, I'm worked on Oozie integration with vanilla plugin | 18:12 |
| aignatov_ | worked | 18:12 |
| aignatov_ | now it can be run only on single node | 18:12 |
| aignatov_ | not multiple node installation as it was previously ( | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, could you please write an update about UI part of edp? | 18:13 |
| aignatov_ | Now plugin can push user-definde configs to oozie node | 18:13 |
| crobertsrh | Sure: UI changes are still a work in progress (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41796/). Recent additions are Details view for job, job origin and data source. | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info EDP: Vanilla plugin and Oozie integration [WIP] | 18:13 |
| akuznetsov | now we are working on integration on REST and conductor APIs | 18:13 |
| crobertsrh | I've been wiring-in the apis as they become available. Things are starting to take shape. | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, great | 18:14 |
| mattf | #info savanna-api is now part of Fedora 19+ (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=986615). it is blocked from EPEL by an outdated pycrypto version. | 18:14 |
| akuznetsov | we put on review the REST API for Data Sources and Jobs | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info EDP/UI: Recent additions are Details view for job, job origin and data source [WIP] | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckayrh, any updates from your side? | 18:15 |
| aignatov_ | small update from Nadya, she was able today to implemet the first draft of job manager, she successfully ran an simple mr job using db objects, conductor, rest api calls, oozie rest api | 18:16 |
| tmckayrh | Added conductor code for JobOrigin, "not implemented yet" stub for JobOrigin update, and started today working on storage of job binaries in the savanna db via a REST api method | 18:17 |
| aignatov_ | I think she will send initial draft all of this things tomorrow | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckayrh, I'll check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41796/ today, simple rebase after +A V:-2 | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, thanks folks | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other updates? | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Roadmap cleanup / update | 18:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap cleanup / update (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:18 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | any suggestions? | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Roadmap | 18:18 |
| mattf | no modifications from me for this week | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | from me too | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info [DONE] mattf to prepare ptl / core team elections proposals | 18:20 |
| mattf | well, at least the PTL part | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #undo | 18:20 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x2a992d0> | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info [DONE] mattf to prepare ptl elections proposals | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think we can create an action item to the next week about core team, yep? | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info [DONE] aignatov to update edp-related part of roadmap (cleanup, add links to bps) | 18:21 |
| mattf | probably, but it's less clear to me | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info [DONE] slukjanov to update architecture-related part of roadmap (cleanup, add links to bps) | 18:21 |
| aignatov_ | actually it's done by you Sergey :), but lgtm +1 | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's discuss it today or at the next meeting | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic PTL / initial core team elections discussions | 18:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL / initial core team elections discussions (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:22 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, please | 18:22 |
| mattf | ok, i've a bunch of stuff for this topic | 18:22 |
| mattf | after our long discussion here last week and then on #savanna, i sent a summary email to openstack-dev | 18:22 |
| mattf | there was minimal feedback, but ttx added some good comments about openstack standard process | 18:23 |
| mattf | as a result, i'd like to run over the various aspects of the election we're setting up and get consensus for how to handle each piece | 18:23 |
| mattf | consensus by lack of objection is the best mode given this format | 18:24 |
| mattf | we have the following areas to cover: system, candidates, nominations, electorate, duration of election and term of election | 18:24 |
| mattf | 0. System - | 18:24 |
| mattf | a. http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/civs/ | 18:24 |
| mattf | for the system, no options have been presented other than (a) | 18:24 |
| mattf | it's seems uncontroversial so i'll proceed and if there's an objection it can be raised at any time | 18:25 |
| mattf | it* | 18:25 |
| mattf | 1. Candidates - | 18:25 |
| mattf | a. members of the electorate (OpenStack standard) | 18:25 |
| mattf | there have also been no other options presented for candidates, so i'll proceed again | 18:26 |
| mattf | 2. Nominations - | 18:26 |
| mattf | a. anyone can list names in https://etherpad.openstack.org/savanna-ptl-candidates-0 | 18:26 |
| mattf | b. anyone mentioned during this week's IRC meeting | 18:26 |
| mattf | c. both (a) and (b) | 18:26 |
| mattf | d. self-nominations (OpenStack standard) | 18:26 |
| mattf | for nominations, ttx added the self-nomination option. the motivation is to not have candidates who do not want the job. | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, sounds reasonable | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, looks like "a" is the same as "d" | 18:27 |
| mattf | given the options, i'm going to propose we go w/ (d). the only name on the pad is SergeyLukjanov and he confirmed he added it himself. | 18:27 |
| mattf | i'm also going to propose that candidates name themselves by the end of this meeting | 18:28 |
| mattf | objections to (d) and candidates speaking up by the end of the meeting? | 18:28 |
| crobertsrh | no objection here | 18:29 |
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| mattf | ok, i'll proceed. objections can be raised whenever | 18:29 |
| mattf | 3. Electorate - | 18:29 |
| mattf | a. all AUTHORS on the Savanna repositories | 18:29 |
| mattf | b. all committers (git log --author) on Savanna repos since Grizzly release | 18:29 |
| mattf | c. all committers since Savanna inception | 18:29 |
| mattf | d. savanna-core members (currently 2 people) | 18:29 |
| mattf | e. committers w/ filter on number of commits or size of commits | 18:29 |
| mattf | f. committers (via git) over the past year | 18:29 |
| mattf | fyi, (f) was added by ttx as the OS standard | 18:30 |
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| crobertsrh | +1 for F. Seems most reasonable. | 18:30 |
| mattf | the group direction appears to be for most inclusion. i propose we go with (f), which is equiv to (a) and (b) and (c). | 18:30 |
| tmckayrh | +1 also. self-regulating | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | a == b == c == f | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | +1 for all of them :) | 18:31 |
| mattf | sounds like a few more +1s. any objections? | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | no objections from my side | 18:32 |
| aignatov_ | +1 for all | 18:32 |
| IlyaE | a, c and f are the same - +1 | 18:32 |
| mattf | ok, looks like (f). objections can be raised until the end of the meeting. | 18:32 |
| mattf | 4. Duration of election - | 18:32 |
| mattf | a. 1 week (from 15 Aug meeting to 22 Aug meeting) | 18:32 |
| mattf | this aspect also had no other options presented | 18:32 |
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| mattf | i'll proceed. objections whenever. | 18:32 |
| mattf | 5. Term - | 18:32 |
| mattf | a. effective immediately through next full OpenStack election cycle (i.e. now until "I" release, 6 mo+) | 18:32 |
| mattf | b. effective immediately until min(6 mo, incubation) | 18:32 |
| mattf | c. effective immediately until end of incubation | 18:32 |
| mattf | the term had a good amount of debate. the general direction appears to be for sync'ing w/ OS elections. | 18:33 |
| IlyaE | I think we should align with OS processes as much as possible | 18:33 |
| crobertsrh | I can't think of a reason to deviate from the OS cycle. | 18:34 |
| IlyaE | option a sounds the best from this perspective | 18:34 |
| mattf | tho ruhe would surely like the loophole (c) provides, i propose we go with (a), which means the PTL will be in office for just over 6 months. | 18:34 |
| mattf | objections? | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | affair tax proposed the (a) option | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx* | 18:34 |
| aignatov_ | +1 for (a) | 18:35 |
| ruhe | i vote for (a) | 18:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | +1 for (a) | 18:35 |
| ruhe | we can find another loophole :) | 18:35 |
| mattf | fair enough! | 18:35 |
| mattf | the proposed election parameters are thus... | 18:36 |
| mattf | 0. System - | 18:36 |
| mattf | a. http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/civs/ | 18:36 |
| mattf | 1. Candidates - | 18:36 |
| mattf | a. members of the electorate (OpenStack standard) | 18:36 |
| mattf | 2. Nominations - | 18:36 |
| mattf | d. self-nominations (OpenStack standard) | 18:36 |
| mattf | 3. Electorate - | 18:36 |
| mattf | f. committers (via git) over the past year | 18:36 |
| mattf | 4. Duration of election - | 18:36 |
| mattf | a. 1 week (from 15 Aug meeting to 22 Aug meeting) | 18:36 |
| mattf | 5. Term - | 18:36 |
| mattf | a. effective immediately through next full OpenStack election cycle (i.e. now until "I" release, 6 mo+) | 18:36 |
| mattf | last but not least. who would like to put themselves up for the PTL position? | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | already added myself :) | 18:37 |
| mattf | shall SergeyLukjanov run unopposed? | 18:37 |
| ruhe | in soviet russia... | 18:37 |
| mattf | in such a case, i'll still setup the poll and let it run for a week. we'll see if anyone participates. | 18:38 |
| mattf | ruhe, heh, yeah... | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_Spring_2013 | 18:38 |
| mattf | ok. i'll setup the poll w/ SergeyLukjanov's name and anyone else who names themselves by the end of the meeting, but let's move on. | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, thank you mattf for the great work on accumulating and preparing this stuff | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic EDP discussions | 18:40 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any questions to discuss? | 18:40 |
| aignatov_ | who wants discuss any in the area? | 18:40 |
| aignatov_ | seems nothing, let's move on | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic General discussion | 18:45 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any thoughts, questions? | 18:45 |
| * mattf thinks the meeting is done | 18:46 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, we can have a short discussion about core team | 18:47 |
| ruhe | not yet! | 18:47 |
| mattf | sure, i've nothing new to add atm. | 18:47 |
| mattf | ruhe, going to throw your hat in the ring? | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, will we need to add a self description to the candidates list? like http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-March/006175.html | 18:50 |
| ruhe | mattf, no | 18:50 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, if you think it will help you in the election | 18:51 |
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| mattf | i was thinking we'll announce the winner and include self description after... | 18:51 |
| * tmckayrh "ome of my earliest memories..." | 18:52 | |
| tmckayrh | Some | 18:52 |
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| aignatov_ | tmckayrh, what does your phrase mean? :) | 18:53 |
| tmckayrh | aignatov_, I was imagining a politician giving a speech, talking about sitting by his father's knee as a child, etc etc, evoking warm feelings in the audience | 18:54 |
| tmckayrh | Very American :) | 18:54 |
| ruhe | will the voting process be anonymous? | 18:55 |
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| mattf | yes | 18:55 |
| ruhe | ok | 18:55 |
| * tmckayrh will anonymously vote for Sergey | 18:55 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckayrh, me too :) | 18:56 |
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| mattf | ruhe, in a more rigorous system, a min % of turnout may be required to legitimize an uncontested candidate | 18:57 |
| mattf | we done? | 18:58 |
| aignatov_ | tmckayrh, you have cool sense of humor))) good phrase about old polictican) | 18:58 |
| tmckayrh | aignatov_, hehe, thank you | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's move discussions to the #savanna channel | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you guys! | 18:59 |
| mattf | thanks folks | 18:59 |
| ruhe | bye | 19:00 |
| aignatov_ | thanks all | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 15 19:00:33 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-08-15-18.06.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-08-15-18.06.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-08-15-18.06.log.html | 19:00 |
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