Wednesday, 2020-02-12

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rosmaitaCourtesy reminder: Cinder meeting in #openstack-meeting-4 at 1400 UTC13:58
rosmaitajungleboyj rosmaita smcginnis tosky whoami-rajat m5z e0ne geguileo eharney walshh_ jbernard ^^13:58
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rosmaita#startmeeting cinder14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 12 14:00:25 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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whoami-rajat__Hi14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'14:00
lsekihi14:00
rosmaita#topic roll call14:00
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geguileohi! o/14:00
LiangFanghi14:00
jungleboyjo/14:00
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rosmaitahello everyone14:02
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ussuri-meetings14:02
rosmaitaok, let's get started14:02
rosmaita#topic announcements14:02
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rosmaita#topic announcements - virtual midcycle -art 2 planning14:02
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smcginniso/14:03
whoami-rajat__Part ?14:03
whoami-rajat__Ok got it14:03
rosmaitawhoami-rajat: ty, yes part 214:03
senrique_o/14:03
senrique_o/14:03
rosmaitafirst, I never reported on the virtual mid-cycle part 1 follow-up poll14:03
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e0nehi14:04
enriquetasoo/14:04
rosmaitahello sofia14:04
sfernandhi14:04
rosmaitasorry, i am having typing probs this morning14:04
toskyo/14:05
rosmaitaok, closed the poll on 5 feb14:05
rosmaitahad 9 responses14:05
rosmaita5 from people not there, which was good, i wanted to know why they didn't attend14:05
rosmaita2 had conflicts suddenly come up; 1 thought not relevant; 1 didn't know about it; 1 left 15 min early14:05
rosmaitaso, maybe one extra announcement on the ML will help that14:05
rosmaitaNo suggestions for improving the format.14:06
rosmaita1 person mentioned that 2 hours was a good length.14:06
rosmaitaPeople who attended rated BlueJeans connection "pretty good to excellent."14:06
rosmaitaso i think we should stick with this for part 214:06
rosmaitabtw, i forgot to mention that jungleboyj uploaded the recording to the cinder youtube channel14:06
jungleboyjYeah, I think BlueJeans works well and the resulting recordings are good.14:06
jungleboyj:-)14:07
rosmaita#link https://youtu.be/Dz28U1pQnqA14:07
rosmaitaok, so part 2 has been proposed for week of 16 March14:07
rosmaita(gives us 3 weeks before final ussuri release of client libraries)14:07
rosmaitamy question today is: does anyone here know of a major conflict that week?14:07
rosmaita(i almost planned part 1 for the week of FOSDEM, so I wanted to check)14:07
rosmaitawell, if you think of anything, let me know14:08
jungleboyjI am not aware of conflicts14:08
jungleboyjCan you share the link for the voting poll?14:08
rosmaitai'll put together a poll for day/time and send it out next week (probably after the meeting)14:08
rosmaitajungleboyj: you are 1 step ahead of me there14:08
jungleboyjAh, not out yet.  Sorry, misinterpreted the previous message.14:09
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rosmaitanp14:09
rosmaita#topic releases14:09
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rosmaitathis is week R-minus-13 and milestone 214:09
rosmaita#topic releases - cinder14:10
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rosmaitawe have about 260 changes since the stable/train branch14:10
rosmaitaone major feature (glance multiple store support)14:10
rosmaitai'd like to do a milestone-2 release (even though we don't have to)14:10
rosmaitait will be our first python3-only release (would rather not wait until milestone-3 for that)14:10
rosmaitai took a quick look at the open patches, but didn't notice anything essential for M-214:10
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/cinder+status:open+branch:master14:10
rosmaitaso unless someone can point something out, i'll put up a release patch today14:10
rosmaita(you don't have to tell me right this minute)14:11
rosmaitai'll put up the patch around 20:00 UTC today unless i hear otherwise14:11
rosmaita#topic releases - python-cinderclient14:11
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rosmaitathe release team is pushing for a milestone-2 release14:11
rosmaitai think it's a good idea to get the py3-only release out even though there are not a lot of changes there14:11
rosmaitahere's what we have open right now:14:12
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-cinderclient+status:open+branch:master14:12
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rosmaitathere are a few patches sitting with one +214:12
rosmaitaso if reviewers have time, please take a look14:13
rosmaitai'll put up the patch for that one tomorrow14:13
rosmaita(actually, the patch is there, i will just revise it)14:13
rosmaita#topic releases - os-brick14:13
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rosmaitathere are some things we should get in (like the cryptsetup password checking)14:13
rosmaitathis one we can release next week14:13
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/os-brick+status:open+branch:master14:14
rosmaitaso, after you look over python-cinderclient, please direct your attention to os-brick14:14
rosmaita#topic releases - final rocky release14:14
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rosmaitawe need everything merged by 21 Feb (release must be ready for 24 Feb)14:14
rosmaitalast i looked, there's not much14:15
toskythere may be a few pending backports iirc14:15
rosmaitaright, so after you look at os-brick, please look at anything pending for stable/rocky14:15
toskyor at least going their way to rocky, so hurry up with backports if you also want to get them in the last rocky tarball14:15
rosmaitayes, if you have things on the way, please keep on top of them14:16
smcginnisWould be useful to do a sweep all the way from train backports to see if there is anything that needs to go all the way back.14:16
rosmaitaany volunteers for ^^ ?14:16
rosmaitait's a good idea14:16
smcginnisNot the end of the world, but last chance to do it.14:16
rosmaitarocky is indeed a long way back14:16
jungleboyjI went through backports the other day and didn't see too many outstanding patches but may need to get more backported.14:16
smcginnis* last chance to do it and get in an official release14:16
smcginnisI started working on a script to automatically find bugfixes that have not been backported. Really should find where that went.14:17
jungleboyj:-)14:17
rosmaitaright, the branch will go into "extended maintenance" mode -- no more releases, but we can still backport changes14:17
rosmaitaanyway, if you have done an important bugfix recently, please assess it for backport-worthiness and get it proposed ASAP14:18
rosmaitaok, final announcement and then i will shut up14:18
rosmaita#topic volume-local-cache spec14:18
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rosmaitacross-project meeting with nova about volume-local-cache is tomorrow, 13:30-14:00 UTC14:19
rosmaitadetails are here:14:19
LiangFangthanks rosmaita14:19
rosmaita#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-February/012457.html14:19
rosmaitaLiangFang: np14:19
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LiangFangI have replied some info in: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/volume-local-cache14:19
rosmaitaok, i will definitely take a look before the meeting14:20
rosmaitasorry about the weird time thing on that poll, btw14:20
rosmaitathe reason for the middle of the night in europe time choices, though, was that only new york, mumbai, and shanghai time zones were mentioned when i asked in the meeting last week who might attend14:21
rosmaitai was trying to be creative, but forgot that it was like 2:30 am in europe14:21
smcginnisNot really a good way to include US and China without that happening.14:21
rosmaitaanyway, 13:30 UTC seems to be ok for most people14:21
rosmaitayes, our geographic spread makes it really challenging to schedule stuff14:22
LiangFangnot sure if eric will join or not14:22
rosmaitayou mean eric fried?14:22
LiangFangeric honey14:22
smcginnisOr Harney.14:22
jungleboyj:-)14:22
LiangFangsmcginnis: yes14:22
LiangFang:)14:22
jungleboyjI Like Eric Honey14:22
LiangFang...14:23
rosmaitawell, we'll see what we can get done14:23
rosmaitaok, on to our regular topics, bunch of stuff on the agenda14:23
rosmaita#topic RSD Cinder Driver move to unsupported 14:24
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rosmaitaIvensZambrano: that's you14:24
IvensZambranothanks14:24
IvensZambranohi everyone14:24
jungleboyjHey IvensZambrano14:24
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IvensZambranoDue to an org change the team I belong to is moving away from some of the activites we were supporting and performing for the project14:25
rajiniro/14:25
IvensZambranothat includes the RSD cinder driver, the new proposal for the Swordfish driver and the changes proposed for os-brick14:25
IvensZambranofor NVMeoF14:26
IvensZambranoyes rajinir?14:26
jungleboyj:-(14:26
smcginnisWasn't Mellanox also participating in some of that?14:26
jungleboyjOk.14:26
rosmaitawell, that's kind of a bummer14:27
IvensZambranoi'm not sure smcginnis, we were not directly interacting with them on those three items14:27
rosmaitasorry to hear it14:27
jungleboyjSo, IvensZambrano  brought this up to me last week.14:27
IvensZambranoit is, sorry to come with such announcements14:27
smcginnisYeah, that's really too bad.14:27
jungleboyjLenovo had been leveraging some of this work but when I raised it internally didn't get any concern.14:28
jungleboyjThought we should bring it up here given that it is pretty new technology.14:28
jungleboyjDoes this impact anyone else?14:28
jungleboyjAny concern from the distros?14:28
smcginnisAnyone at companies using this, now would be a good time to reach out internally and make sure they are aware of the impact of this.14:28
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++14:28
rosmaitai guess a ML announcement would be in order, too14:29
jungleboyjrosmaita:  Probably a good idea.14:29
IvensZambranoyes please, it will be good to know if any impacts to current usages of it will come14:29
jungleboyjI am really sorry to see the RedFish work being stopped.14:29
IvensZambranoas we are hosting the RSD Driver CI as well14:29
jungleboyjand Swordfish14:29
IvensZambranoand it will go off soon14:29
e0nejungleboyj: +114:30
rosmaitaok, thanks for keeping us posted14:30
IvensZambranowell, there is always the option of handing over to another organisation the evolution of the Swordfish driver14:30
jungleboyjI shared the process for unsupporting.  Guess whether it gets removed in the next release depends on the outcome of those other discussions.14:30
IvensZambranothat is a nice project and it is aligned to open standards14:30
jungleboyjIvensZambrano:  ++14:30
jungleboyjSo, don't see anyone super concerned here.14:31
rosmaitai guess we have until M-3 to get it sorted out14:31
smcginnisAre there storage devices supporting Swordfish yet?14:32
rosmaitamaybe everyone is shocked?14:32
jungleboyj:-)14:32
IvensZambranowe were using an intermediate software layer for our development but the end goal was to extend the BMCs at some point to natively support SF14:33
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rosmaitaIvensZambrano: do you want to send something to the operators list, or do you want me to?14:33
jungleboyjWe should get an e-mail out there somewhere.14:34
IvensZambranorosmaita: what is the usual procedure?14:34
rosmaitanot sure exactly14:34
rosmaitatell you what, we can collaborate on an etherpad and i can send something out14:35
jungleboyjrosmaita:  ++  That sounds like a good plan.14:35
IvensZambranorosmaita: thanks! that will be great14:35
rosmaitai want to make sure i get the detals right, especially about who to contact if they are interested in picking up the SF work14:35
jungleboyjIvensZambrano:  Thanks for being proactive and communicating with us.14:35
rosmaitayes, thanks14:36
IvensZambranonow I'm more sad to leave the project with this great support14:36
rosmaitaIvensZambrano: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swordfish-and-stuff14:36
rosmaitajungleboyj: ^^14:36
jungleboyjrosmaita:  It is working ;-)14:36
IvensZambranorosmaita: thanks!14:36
jungleboyjIvensZambrano:  Sad to see you go.  Enjoyed the bit we got to work together.14:37
IvensZambranojungleboyj: thanks as well for the collaboration the past few days!14:37
IvensZambranodavidsha: anything to add?14:37
IvensZambranoyou were actively collaborating with the project from our team14:38
davidshaIt's been a pleasure working with you all, and hope we get to collaborate again in the future!14:38
rosmaitadavidsha: likewise!14:39
IvensZambranothank you all!14:39
rosmaitaok, thanks for that sad announcement14:39
rosmaita#topic Backport Policy: Should we backport the Incremental Backup patch?14:39
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rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/705553/14:39
rosmaitaenriquetaso: this one is you14:39
enriquetasohi14:40
rosmaitahello14:40
enriquetasoI think there is some misunderstood between the incremental patch. The patch is changing object version and because of that It may be seen as a new feature. I would like to discuss if backporting the patch is a good idea for us : https://review.opendev.org/#/c/705553/14:40
smcginnisI would say that's a bug since the end user could specify --incremental and have no idea it didn't do what they expected.14:40
rosmaitasmcginnis: ++14:40
enriquetaso++14:40
enriquetasoOn the other hand, rosmaita showed me this reported bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1862635 related to the incremental patch. I didn't tought about it at the time and having CI with c-bak disable didn't help.. So, i'm working on a fix.14:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1862635 in Cinder "Cinder backup export broken" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Sofia Enriquez (lsofia-enriquez)14:40
e0nesmcginnis: +114:40
e0neis't somewhere between a feature and a bug14:41
jungleboyjsmcginnis: ++14:41
smcginnisThat does raise the point again - in most tempest runs, cinder backup has been disabled because it was constantly failing.14:41
rosmaitayeah, my point about the bug is that we'll want to backport that too if we decide to backport the original change14:41
smcginnisWe should really fix that (tm).14:41
e0nefrom users' perspective it's a bug fix without any new CLI flags, config options or API changes14:41
jungleboyjShould we add that to our Logo?14:42
smcginnis;)14:42
e0ne:)14:42
enriquetaso:P14:42
smcginnisThat's what the horse is looking over its shoulder at!14:42
jungleboyjYep.  That was what I was thinking.14:42
enriquetasorosmaita++ sounds like a good plan14:42
rosmaitai think e0ne clearly stated the reason why its backportable14:42
e0nerosmaita: thanks :)14:43
enriquetasoe0ne++14:43
rosmaitaok, good ... wanted to discuss this because of an objection on enriquetaso's backport patch14:43
rosmaitabut it sounds like we are in agreement here14:43
smcginnisOne nit-ish thing - best not to propose backports to older branches until the patch is merged to the more recent branch.14:43
enriquetasosmcginnis, yes, sorry14:43
smcginnisI know folks want to make sure it's everywhere, but that puts the burden on reviewers to make sure things don't get messed up for stable policy.14:44
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++14:44
smcginnisNot a huge deal, just wanted to point that out.14:44
jungleboyjOtherwise it sounds fine to backport.14:44
jungleboyjHey, Red Hat made a logo for cinderlib.  :-)14:44
rosmaitasmcginnis: thank you for noticing that14:44
enriquetasowhere is the cinderlib logo ? :O14:45
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jungleboyjIn a presentation I am watching.14:45
rosmaitaok, so the consensus is: is backportable along with the related bugfix (after the bug is fixed); needs to go in the regular backport order T->S->R14:46
rosmaitajungleboyj: is multitasking!14:46
smcginnis++14:46
jungleboyj++14:46
rosmaitaok, enriquetaso -- all your questions answered?14:46
enriquetasoyes14:46
enriquetasothanks14:46
rosmaitagreat, this is exciting, we can have open discussion!14:47
rosmaita#topic open discussion14:47
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rosmaitaactually, I have something14:47
whoami-rajati forgot to mention before, i've a patch that i want it to go to rocky release https://review.opendev.org/#/c/707343/14:47
rosmaitawhoami-rajat: did you figure out the problem with lower-constraints ?14:48
whoami-rajatyep, unrelated14:48
whoami-rajatits currently passing on zuul jobs14:48
rosmaitaok, cool -- i dind't notice the recheck14:49
jungleboyjOk.  LGTM when it passes the check.14:49
whoami-rajatthanks!!14:49
rosmaitai remember looking at the patch to master, i think this should be fine14:49
jungleboyjrosmaita:  Don't need any discussion on the Datera driver?14:49
rosmaitai haven't heard anything back yet14:49
jungleboyjOk.14:50
rosmaitabut not to keep people in suspense14:50
jungleboyj:-)14:50
rosmaitaDatera has got their CI running again, and are proposing that their driver be marked supported in U14:50
rosmaitathere is some discussion on that patch14:51
rosmaitawhich i can't find the link to atm14:51
rosmaitaanyway, things are kind of up in the air, but will hopefully be resolved ok14:52
smcginnishttps://review.opendev.org/#/c/704153/14:52
rosmaitaty14:52
rosmaitapart of the problem is python2 compatibility14:52
smcginnisI really would like to see that broken out into multiple patches, but I think I've said enough on that patch. :|14:53
rosmaitayes, and i did mention that to them14:53
jungleboyj:-)14:54
rosmaitai think part of the problem is that they'd like to fix the driver in U and then be able to have people use it with N through T also14:54
rosmaitanot sure how viable a plan that is14:54
smcginnisAnother scary part of all that.14:55
jungleboyj:-(  That is scary.14:55
rosmaitaand i think that's part of the big monolithic patch14:55
e0nerosmaita: +114:55
rosmaitabecause i think they're thinking they need to backport all that stuff everywhere14:55
jungleboyjOuch.  That won't work.14:55
rosmaitainstead of having multiple small patches and only backporting the appropriate stuff14:55
jungleboyjrosmaita:  ++14:56
jungleboyjMaybe communicating that better to them will help.14:56
rosmaitabut, of course, it's easy to say after they've done a bunch of work: break it into smaller pieces!14:56
rosmaitait's pretty hard to hear that when you've done all the work!14:56
jungleboyjTrue.14:56
rosmaitaso we'll see what happens14:56
jungleboyjrosmaita:  Thanks for following up.14:57
jungleboyjOne other topic.14:57
smcginnisWell, all of those changes built up over time in their GitHub fork, so theoretically they could port over commits from there piecemeal.14:57
rosmaitaok, one thing from me for people running Train or who know such people14:57
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++14:57
rosmaitathis patch has been rejected for nova (i'm working on a more robust fix)14:57
rosmaitabut the release note is worth looking at:14:57
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/706298/114:57
rosmaitait's about a problem that arises in a really weird situation with our automatic encryption key handling (it was actually a change in glance, but really for us)14:57
rosmaitaanyway, it can be addressed immediately by a nova config change14:57
rosmaitai will be sending out something to the operators list14:57
rosmaitabut if you are running Train, or know people who are, you might want to bring it to the appropriate person's attention14:57
rosmaitathat's it from me14:58
LiangFangpreviously i mentioned there's a white paper of volume local cache. Now it is approved to publish. But it is in chinese, co-authored by China Unicom. Mainly shows the performance gain with Optane SSD. Will upload the writepaper to some website later and let team know. Does openstack.org has some place to containing write paper?14:58
rosmaita1.75 minutes left14:58
tridentOne other topic as well if I may, I filed a bug a souple of days ago. I intend to write a patch for it but would at some point apreciate some discussions on the best way to architect the fix. - https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/186263614:58
openstackLaunchpad bug 1862636 in Cinder "cinder retype corrupts volume in some scenarios" [Undecided,New]14:58
rosmaitathat doesn't sound good14:58
rosmaitatrident: thanks for reporting it14:59
rosmaitaand glad to hear you want to fix it, too!14:59
jungleboyjrosmaita:  Have you polled the team to see who is planning to be in Vancouver?14:59
jungleboyjThink we need to let OSF know if we are going to be there soon.15:00
rosmaitai have not, and the table planning is due feb 21 i think15:00
rosmaitashow of hands: who is probably going to be in vancouver?15:00
rosmaitao/15:00
jungleboyjo/  Planning to be.15:00
enriquetasoi don't know15:01
rosmaitaactually, i don't know either15:01
smcginnisProbably. No official word yet.15:01
enriquetasou.u15:01
rosmaitait's kind of early15:01
whoami-rajat:P15:01
jungleboyjDon't need to know for sure.  Just need to know how many want to attend.15:01
rosmaitai think the same size table we had in shanghai will be good15:01
jungleboyjrosmaita: ++15:01
rosmaitawhich was what, 12 seats?15:01
whoami-rajatrosmaita, ++15:01
jungleboyjLets do a ML post and see what kind of response we get.15:02
rosmaitaok, i'll get one out this afternoon15:02
rosmaitathanks everyone!15:02
jungleboyjThanks!15:02
rosmaitajungleboyj: thanks for the reminder15:02
jungleboyj:-)15:02
whoami-rajatThanks!15:02
jungleboyjThat is what I am here for.15:02
rosmaita:D15:02
rosmaita#endmeeting15:02
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