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| rosmaita | Courtesy reminder: Cinder meeting in #openstack-meeting-4 at 1400 UTC | 13:56 |
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| rosmaita | jungleboyj rosmaita smcginnis tosky whoami-rajat m5z e0ne geguileo eharney walshh_ jbernard ^^ | 13:56 |
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| rosmaita | #startmeeting cinder | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 22 14:00:14 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 14:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 14:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ussuri-meetings | 14:00 |
| whoami-rajat | hi | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:00 | |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 14:00 |
| m5z | hi | 14:01 |
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| tosky | o/ | 14:02 |
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| enriquetaso | o/ | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | looks like a good turnout | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | #topic announcements | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:02 | |
| rosmaita | spec freeze is next week | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | thanks to everyone who attended the virtual mid-cycle yesterday, i think it was productive | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderUssuriMidCycleSummary | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | ^^ that's a quick writeup of what we talked about | 14:03 |
| enriquetaso | rosmaita++ thanks to you! | 14:03 |
| * rosmaita blushes | 14:03 | |
| rosmaita | i put together a survey for participants but also people who did NOT attend | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | #link https://forms.gle/muR2vMArZ7Eu1iV46 | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | will help in planning for part 2, which will be week of 16 March | 14:04 |
| enriquetaso | \o/ | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | and, i have been a busy boy, here's the result of one of my action items: | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/703709 | 14:05 |
| e0ne | rosmaita: awesome! I like such format with several short calls | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | e0ne: that's good feedback | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | the above link is an attempt to be explicit about how we want to write/review code that uses py3-only features, and also code that still uses py2 compatibility | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | please be brutal in your comments! | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | it will be helpful if we can get some good guidelines together | 14:06 |
| e0ne | rosmaita: thanks for this patch! I didn't get a time to review it but it's great to have such guides | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | thank you | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all for announcements, on to the main program | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | #topic really quick spec review | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "really quick spec review (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:07 | |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder-specs | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | i just want to take a quick look at these, mainly asking people if we are still interested | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | or, if they are still interested in proposing them | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | I don't think the backup-id one needs to be a spec. We should just add the code. | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i have a question about it later on the agenda | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | i was going to say, we could leave it as a spec for when this comes up again about adding something to the volumes table | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | but | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | we can point people to this review, it doesn't have to be a spec | 14:09 |
| whoami-rajat | i think we can merge 'copy image to multiple stores' patch if everyone is ok with it (looks like it from the +2 list) | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | yes, i had a question about that | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | is it cinder policy for the PTL to merge specs? | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | guess that's for smcginnis and jungleboyj | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | the question, i mean | 14:10 |
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| smcginnis | rosmaita: I don't think we ever made it a formal policy. | 14:10 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 14:10 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry. Late. | 14:10 |
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| rosmaita | i definitely like the idea of as many cores reading each spec as possible | 14:10 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, ++ | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | so it's probably good to leave them open even with multiple +2s | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | but i agree with whoami-rajat that this particular spec is ready for merging | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | i didn't see eharney come in | 14:11 |
| e0ne | I didn' | 14:11 |
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| e0ne | I didn't approve this spec because it was added to the agenda | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | e0ne: you mean the multiple stores of glance spec? | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | did you still want to look it over? | 14:12 |
| e0ne | rosmaita: I was talking about https://review.opendev.org/#/c/700977 | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | e0ne: ok | 14:13 |
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| rosmaita | i was going to ask eharney if he plans to revise https://review.opendev.org/682456 , i can ask offline | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | it looks like everything else has been sitting for over a month | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | so it looks like we are pretty much on schedule for specs | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | although, Liang did have a question about the volume-local-cache spec | 14:15 |
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| rosmaita | from yesterday's discussion, it looked like maybe cinder needs to know about what cache-mode is available so we can reject unsafe modes? | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | or did I misunderstand what we wanted there? | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | Liang's question was how we would get this info to cinder | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | i guess the issue is: | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | if we want to disallow unsafe modes completely, we can have os-brick reject the attachment | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | if we want to disallow unsafe operations, we would need cinder to have some info | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | my request is that if you have an interest in this spec, and especially in this part of it, please leave a comment on the spec | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | i think i may have gone over my 5 minutes | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | #topic 3rd-party CI update | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "3rd-party CI update (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:19 | |
| rosmaita | e0ne: that's you | 14:19 |
| e0ne | rosmaita: thanks | 14:19 |
| e0ne | I'm trying to figure out how many 3rd-party CIs have cinder tempest plugin running | 14:19 |
| e0ne | I tried to check on existing patches to cinder but a lot of logs are not available now | 14:20 |
| e0ne | that's why I created a dummy patch | 14:20 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/703772/ | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | good idea | 14:20 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: :-) Yeah, that is part of the reason I haven't had a chance to look at all of that. | 14:20 |
| e0ne | and I tried ti run all CIs from https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/latest/drivers.html | 14:21 |
| e0ne | #link https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/latest/drivers.html | 14:21 |
| e0ne | there are a lot of failures | 14:21 |
| e0ne | and I'm waiting for more results | 14:21 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 14:21 |
| e0ne | probably, I'll to it on a daily basis to run rechecks | 14:21 |
| e0ne | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1id4FY7Ywv8vWp01cTw_Km_YpN98U7vYvFgn8wy_o9vU/edit#gid=0 | 14:21 |
| e0ne | I'm sorry for google docs | 14:21 |
| e0ne | I can convert it to some more open format if needed | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | i think that's fine for now | 14:22 |
| e0ne | I'm worried a lot about Dell EMC CI | 14:22 |
| smcginnis | I did get copied on a message that the log server is down. | 14:22 |
| e0ne | I was not able to open any logs from it both from Europe and US | 14:22 |
| jungleboyj | That is fine. Ugh, what is up with the Dell CI not having logs accessible? | 14:22 |
| smcginnis | There is an IT ticket open to resolve that. | 14:22 |
| tosky | so, to summarize, and without considering the Dell CI ... | 14:23 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ah, ok. Thanks for being on that. | 14:23 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: thanks for the information | 14:23 |
| tosky | just one 3rd party CI is running cinder-tempest-plugin (!) | 14:23 |
| e0ne | Fujitsu ETERNUS CI logs are not accessible too:( | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | wow | 14:23 |
| jungleboyj | Are we really down to this few drivers? | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | e0ne: yes thanks for putting this all in one place | 14:23 |
| e0ne | it reports SUCCESS | 14:23 |
| e0ne | but there are no logs http://openstackci.jp.fujitsu.com/Eternusci/72/703772/1/check/fujitsu-eternus-dx-iscsi/6d794b6 | 14:23 |
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| jungleboyj | rosmaita: ++ | 14:23 |
| e0ne | ^^ this job reported to gerrit 25 minutes ago | 14:24 |
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| e0ne | my google spreadsheet is open for comments for everybody | 14:24 |
| e0ne | I can give add write permissions per request | 14:25 |
| e0ne | according tempest plugin, only NetApp SolidFire CI is using it:( | 14:25 |
| e0ne | Datara CI should use it too but I don't have a confirmation | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | well, i guess we should say "Hooray for NetApp!" | 14:26 |
| e0ne | I | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | but otherwise, this is a depressing spreadsheet | 14:26 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 14:26 |
| e0ne | I'll keep this doc updated once I'll have more results | 14:26 |
| tosky | thanks; so what are the next steps? | 14:26 |
| e0ne | Pure Storage CI has own tempest plugin with few tests | 14:26 |
| tosky | e0ne: do you know if that plugins is published somewhere? | 14:27 |
| tosky | I wonder if those tests are really pure-specific | 14:27 |
| e0ne | tosky: I don'd know yet | 14:27 |
| tosky | anyway, do we have direct contacts for all CI maintainers? | 14:27 |
| e0ne | unfortunately, that's all I've got for today:( | 14:27 |
| smcginnis | They *should* all be listed on | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | e0ne: that's plenty! thanks for putting this together | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 14:28 |
| e0ne | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Dell_EMC_SC_Series_CI | 14:28 |
| e0ne | you can find CI wiki with contacts on the https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/latest/drivers.html page | 14:28 |
| e0ne | tosky: ^^ | 14:28 |
| jungleboyj | tosky: In the past I have used the infor smcginnis shared. | 14:28 |
| jungleboyj | I get some responses. Sometimes I don't. | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | i think we may need to have an emergency virtual mid-cycle focusing only on 3rd party CI | 14:28 |
| e0ne | +1 | 14:29 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah. :-( | 14:29 |
| e0ne | btw, I didn't check if 3rd-party CI uses python3 | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | jungleboyj: i think you took an action item yesterday to contact some people who's CIs are not responding? | 14:29 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: Yes I did. Will try to follow up on that today. | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | ok, great | 14:30 |
| jungleboyj | As well as making a blanket statement to the ML to see if we get more discussion. | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | let's discuss this again at next week's meeting | 14:31 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: ++ | 14:31 |
| whoami-rajat | e0ne, i think the CI's not using python3 were marked unsupported in Train | 14:31 |
| e0ne | whoami-rajat: sounds reasonable | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | yes, hopefully no one snuck back to using py2! | 14:31 |
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| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Right. I went through that process. | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | ok, let's revisit this next week and in the meantime I'll follow up with something more concrete | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | (not sure what, though) | 14:33 |
| e0ne | :) | 14:33 |
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| rosmaita | in the meantime, please look at this from yesterday: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderUssuriMidCycleSummary#The_current_state_of_3rd_Party_CIs | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderUssuriMidCycleSummary#The_current_state_of_3rd_Party_CIs | 14:33 |
| jungleboyj | Well, we have been going back and forth on this forever. Who knows, you might have a new insight rosmaita | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | one never knows | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | yeah, smcginnis posted some info from 2017 on this same topic yesterday! | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | thanks for following up on this e0ne | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | any more comments? | 14:35 |
| e0ne | rosmaita: you're welcome | 14:35 |
| e0ne | nothing from my side for now | 14:35 |
| smcginnis | That definitely wasn't the first time it was discussed either. ;) | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | right! | 14:35 |
| jungleboyj | And won't be the last. | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | #topic is 'backup_id' in volume metadata ambiguous? | 14:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "is 'backup_id' in volume metadata ambiguous? (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:36 | |
| rosmaita | actually, before i pose that question | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | i think smcginnis has a good point that the spec should be a bug instead | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/700977 | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | ^^ so you know what i'm talking about | 14:37 |
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| smcginnis | It's metadata. We have a field for metadata. It's not captured in there yet. Just add it (my take on things) | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | that makes sense to me | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | There's no real API change, no need to modify the DB, so not really anything that needs to be captured in a spec to make sure everyone understands the change and impact. | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | and there's the backport potential you mentioned on the review | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I think there's a good case for that. | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | we can leave it up to the spec proposers about how they want to follow up | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i'll leave a comment | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | in the meantime | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | my question is whether 'backup_id' in the volume metadata could be ambiguous | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | is it obvious that it means "This volume was created from a backup" vs. "This volume was backed up"? | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | Maybe "src_backup_id"? | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i'm kind of new around here, that's why i'm asking | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis: yes, that's what i was thinking | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | I like that it is more explicit then. | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will suggest that on the spec | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | The spec also focuses on volume creation directly from backup, but that was just a convenience API added. I think the change should also handle adding that metadata when a volume is independently created, then restored to from a backup. | 14:41 |
| enriquetaso | smcginnis++ | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | i agree, might as well make it as useful as possible | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | any other comments? | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | Nope | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | ok, moving on | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | #topic py3.6 *and* py3.7 testing in the gate | 14:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "py3.6 *and* py3.7 testing in the gate (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:43 | |
| rosmaita | this is another follow-up from yesterday | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | since we don't have to test py2 any more, and we are claiming py3.6 and py3.7 support, i figure we should be testing both of those | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | (it won't consume any extra resources) | 14:43 |
| e0ne | +1 | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | anyway, i went back and looked at our recent change to tox.ini and .zuul.yaml | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | results are here: | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ussuri-community-goal-drop-py27-support | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | down at the bottom, under "Review" | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | 3.8 may be added in Victoria. There is some discussion on that that just testing 3.6 and 3.8 should be sufficient to make sure 3.7 is safe. | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | Just a data point for the future. | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | ok, good to know | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | our current setup will be easy to add 3.8 testing to both tox and zuul | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | in any case, i think cinderlib and os-brick are running gate tests with just the system python3 for wherever the test lands | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | which may be ok | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | but i wanted to point it out | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | as far as cinder-tempest-plugin ... | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | looks like it's running the normal tests plugins are supposed to run | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | (although I guess I should verify that) | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | so i'm inclined not to mess with it | 14:47 |
| whoami-rajat | with python3 right? | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | whoami-rajat: yes | 14:48 |
| whoami-rajat | ok | 14:48 |
| smcginnis | I think I saw some work going on with tempest itself about how to handle things since tempest is branchless. | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | which is most likely py 3.6, i think | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | yes, smcginnis you have a good point, we should let that shake out before making changes ourselves | 14:49 |
| smcginnis | I think it may have just required some devstack changes to allow stable branches to run services with py2.7 but run tempest under py3. | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | so, to summarize, it looks like our testing is in pretty good shape | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | could be some room to look at cinderlib and os-brick if anyone is so inclined | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | but those gate jobs are pretty complicated, i personally do not want to touch them with a 10-foot pole | 14:51 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 14:51 |
| jungleboyj | /me hands rosmaita an 11 foot pole | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | jungleboyj: i thought maybe you would go metric! | 14:52 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | i guess it's a 3 metre poll for our non-USA constituents | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | ok, enough of that | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:52 | |
| lseki | sorry I'm late | 14:53 |
| lseki | e0ne: netapp ontap drivers {nfs, iscsi, fcp} are running cinder-tempest-plugin as well | 14:53 |
| lseki | we're having some troubles with our CI right now, though | 14:53 |
| lseki | I'll let you know when it's fixed and having plugin tests passing | 14:53 |
| e0ne | lseki: thanks | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | lseki: ty | 14:53 |
| jungleboyj | lseki: ++ Great. | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | lseki: you missed our shout-out to netapp for using cinder-tempest-plugin | 14:53 |
| lseki | \o/ | 14:54 |
| jungleboyj | whoop whoop! | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | (09:26:05 AM) rosmaita: well, i guess we should say "Hooray for NetApp!" | 14:54 |
| lseki | hooray 🎉 | 14:54 |
| dviroel | \o/ | 14:54 |
| enriquetaso | hooray :P | 14:54 |
| sfernand | :) | 14:54 |
| smcginnis | Oh, since it's open floor, just pointing out the naming for W - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Naming/W_Proposals | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | so anything goes nowadays, naming wise? | 14:56 |
| jungleboyj | This will be interesting. | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | Yep. | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | Up to 10 letters long in the ISO basic Latin alphabet. | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | well, i am all out of ideas after "Vaiveahtoish" | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | (which obviously didn't win) | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | down to 2 minutes -- anyone? | 14:58 |
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| whoami-rajat | a review request for the patch - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/700176/ | 14:59 |
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| LiangFang | o/ | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | LiangFang: noted | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks to e0ne for his 3rd party CI spreadsheet | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | and see everyone next week! | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 22 15:00:44 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| e0ne | see you next week | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2020/cinder.2020-01-22-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| enriquetaso | bye | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2020/cinder.2020-01-22-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2020/cinder.2020-01-22-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 15:00 |
| enriquetaso | 6+89+6 | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | 101 | 15:01 |
| enriquetaso | sorry about that haha | 15:02 |
| enriquetaso | smcginnis, haha | 15:02 |
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