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| mattmceuen | #startmeeting OpenStack-Helm | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 11 14:59:28 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattmceuen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Helm)" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 14:59 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Rollcall | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Helm)" | 14:59 | |
| mattmceuen | Hi everybody -- here's our agenda today, please add anything to discuss: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2019-06-11 | 15:00 |
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| srwilkers | o/ | 15:00 |
| itxaka | \o | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | since folks are still joining and may have missed it: agenda :) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2019-06-11 | 15:00 |
| georgk | hi there | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | portdirect is incapacitated by work today | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | decimated, even | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | o/ georgk! | 15:01 |
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| mattmceuen | We have a -very- light agenda today so far, only requests for code review | 15:02 |
| mattmceuen | I will post them here, and let's see if any discussion is needed for them while we have the eyeballs | 15:02 |
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| gagehugo | o/ | 15:02 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/660572/ --> Rafactoring volume mount variables in db sync job | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/659993/ --> Add volumes mount variables in the nova-cell-setup job | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/660544/ --> rabbitmq: set hostPath for rabbitmq-data | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662426/ --> Creating directory from ${APACHE_RUN_DIR} variable | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662603/ --> Enable hugepage support in HTK resources snippet | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662992/ --> htk: provide default domain env and secrets | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662993/ --> keystone: default domain fix | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/663130/ --> Add SUSE image for Selenium to be used in helm tests | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | o/ gagehugo | 15:03 |
| howell | o/ | 15:03 |
| itxaka | whats the output of the friday discussion with portdirect regarding the poll to be sent for the meeting times mattmceuen? | 15:04 |
| georgk | awesome, I patch is already in the list :-) | 15:04 |
| georgk | i == my | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | itxaka the output was that I hoped noone would remember that this week as portdirect and I failed to sort that out | 15:04 |
| itxaka | lmao | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | I will redouble my efforts this week, apologize | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | o/ evrardjp howell | 15:06 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Roundtable | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roundtable (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Helm)" | 15:06 | |
| mattmceuen | Any questions / thoughts on the patchsets above? | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | none | 15:07 |
| georgk | one question | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | Any other topics that everyone would like to discuss today? | 15:07 |
| georgk | a generic one | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | go for it | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | #topic generic one | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "generic one (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Helm)" | 15:07 | |
| georgk | thanks! | 15:07 |
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| georgk | the OVS image in openstack-helm-images is a source build of OVS 2.8.1 | 15:08 |
| georgk | the LOCI images of the openstack components use the distro provided OVS 2.5.4 | 15:08 |
| georgk | does anybody happen to know why this is the case? | 15:08 |
| georgk | like is there a historical technical reason for adding a 2.8 source build which is not 100% compabile with 2.5.4 | 15:09 |
| georgk | just curious | 15:09 |
| mattmceuen | I'm looking now - I'm not aware of any reason | 15:09 |
| mattmceuen | looks like an attempt was made to bump it to 2.10.1, which was reverted | 15:10 |
| georgk | yeah, this was me and evrardjp... | 15:11 |
| georgk | we, the little group around the OVS-DPDK people, try to find the best way out of the following: | 15:11 |
| mattmceuen | have the incompatibilities between 2.8 and 2.5 manifested themselves in any issues? | 15:11 |
| georgk | yes, there is at least one problem related to querying mtu sizes | 15:12 |
| itxaka | the opensuse image is using 2.11.0 | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | georgk: I would prefer to not having source builds if it's possible to rely on packages | 15:12 |
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| evrardjp | it means less maintenance burden | 15:13 |
| itxaka | we should probably sync both :( | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | itxaka: not really. Syncing versions between OSes is a nightmare | 15:13 |
| georgk | so, we cannot get 2.5.4 in neutron-ovs-agent to work with OVS 2.10 | 15:13 |
| georgk | I expect similar problems with 2.11... | 15:13 |
| mattmceuen | ahh | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | I believe we should use the native OS version as much as we can, because this is properly tested by the packagers/distros | 15:13 |
| georgk | does it work for you with opensuse? | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | georgk: we are consistent in versions | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | we are using OS provided versions | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | for all the charts | 15:14 |
| georgk | ah, right, sure, you are not using the debian images for the OVS-agent :-) | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | which is why I think it's easier if you have a ppa/mirror | 15:15 |
| georgk | stupid me | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | georgk: correct | 15:15 |
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| georgk | or go back to a 2.5.4 image of OVS itself -> coming back to my original question of why tehre is a 2.8.1 source build | 15:15 |
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| mattmceuen | I am not sure, and the git history only goes back to late last year. evrardjp, do you know where that one lived prior to openstack-helm-images? | 15:17 |
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| evrardjp | mattmceuen: it's still in osh-infra afaik | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | we didn't remove it yet | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | I was waiting for the gates to move to use osh-images first | 15:19 |
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| evrardjp | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm/tree/master/tools/images/openvswitch | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | I was wrong it was osh | 15:20 |
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| mattmceuen | ahh there it is | 15:20 |
| georgk | ah, yes | 15:20 |
| georgk | lightweight image | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | I asked in the past the reason for versions, but without deep details answered. I can maybe find that in the logs. | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | Long story short, not a real explanation anywhere, because it wasn't written in the commit messages | 15:21 |
| mattmceuen | So the original commit from portdirect says "This PS moves to use a lightweight build of OvS 2.8.1 using the | 15:21 |
| mattmceuen | offical k8s network base image." -- I think we'll need to ask him if there's a reason | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | just "bump image" or things like that | 15:21 |
| georgk | seems so | 15:21 |
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| mattmceuen | #action mattmceuen to sync w/ portdirect on OvS 2.8.1 | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | not sure what's the action point there though | 15:22 |
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| georgk | mattmceuen: awesome, thank you | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | you want to figure out why we are using this version, or why can't we bump? | 15:22 |
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| mattmceuen | Yes :) | 15:22 |
| mattmceuen | the answer to the first one impacts the second one | 15:23 |
| georgk | evrardjp: I am hesitent to bump using a ppa, to be honest | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | I understood with Yes :) | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | georgk: why? It would be consistent across neutron and ovs image | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | else you have to carry this kind of code everywhere. | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | (Except if you plan to extract said data from a docker container to another, which sounds even messier) | 15:24 |
| georgk | true, but we would have to carry the code to build a ppa package, too | 15:24 |
| georgk | and even worse: maintain a ppa which other people might want to use, too | 15:24 |
| evrardjp | against collaboration on said ppa? :p | 15:24 |
| georgk | well, collaboration is highly welcome | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | I think it would be easy to have a container that builds said package, and use that container for installing the package on the different images, at worst, but that sounds very tedious | 15:25 |
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| evrardjp | if we were to use bionic default ovs, you would have 2.9.2, which is already better than 2.8.1 btw | 15:27 |
| georgk | how does that differ from having a source build in the debian images? | 15:27 |
| georgk | true | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | I mean maintaining a source build is expensive | 15:27 |
| georgk | the Loci images are still Xenial, right? | 15:27 |
| georgk | or did I miss bionic builds? | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | it's what we decide it to be | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | right now, we are building xenial, but we could work on bionic | 15:28 |
| mattmceuen | georgk, for the ovs dpdk work you want to achieve, is 2.9.2 sufficient for that? Or need 2.10? | 15:29 |
| georgk | mattmceuen: 2.9.2 should be fine. The problem is rather in the version difference between the OpenStack component images and the OVS image itself | 15:29 |
| georgk | so, we either try to make it work on 2.5.4 as community maintained version using the Xenial image or move to Bionic loci images | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | which is why a package is winning in this case, because reusing | 15:30 |
| mattmceuen | yep gotcha | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | but I guess it's not up to me :) | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | I am not fighting this, I just think it will become quite messy when it's about building the neutron images :p | 15:31 |
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| mattmceuen | I think switching to bionic will require some input from our PTL, but it sounds good to me :) | 15:31 |
| georgk | ok, ok | 15:31 |
| georgk | I assume switching to bionic has a larger impact | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: I think it makes sense to have a message for those who want the latest and greatest --- that they can have a different base os | 15:32 |
| evrardjp | so produce more images basically | 15:32 |
| evrardjp | because that enters the realm of the multi-os spec | 15:32 |
| georgk | so, we need to look into 2.5.4 first (which is quite old) and if that doesn't cut it, we need to bump to bionic... | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | +1 to both evrardjp and georgk | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | georgk: maybe also having a look at UCA would be useful | 15:33 |
| georgk | UCA? | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | ubuntu cloud archive | 15:33 |
| * portdirect shudders | 15:33 | |
| georgk | ah, ok | 15:33 |
| georgk | :-) | 15:33 |
| georgk | or not, portdirect? | 15:34 |
| portdirect | UCA is not exactly 'reliable' | 15:34 |
| evrardjp | it is, assuming you are consistent with its use. | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | do not mix uca and non uca for example :p | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | we've been using UCA in OSA for years without issue. | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | it's not epel | 15:36 |
| portdirect | and there we differ - i like epel ;D | 15:36 |
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| portdirect | but I'd fully support a move to bionic - its high time we did | 15:36 |
| * mattmceuen cheers | 15:36 | |
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| mattmceuen | evrardjp do you have any idea how much bigger than a breadbox moving to bionic would be? any hidden gotchas or concerns? | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | I don't know I haven't tried. | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | but the work for suse was straightforward | 15:39 |
| portdirect | it would be very simple | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | so I don't expect big issues | 15:39 |
| mattmceuen | great | 15:39 |
| portdirect | just change the source image refs | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | we are also building neutron with 1804 | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | right now | 15:39 |
| portdirect | and also the gate/test host | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | and it works | 15:39 |
| portdirect | yup | 15:39 |
| georgk | great, I'll take it | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | so I suppose it wouldn't be that hard to build the 1804 images for everyone | 15:39 |
| georgk | :-) | 15:39 |
| itxaka | famous last words | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | hahah | 15:39 |
| mattmceuen | thanks georgk | 15:40 |
| mattmceuen | ha! | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | this still supposes the fact to run on the same host, I expect bumping host to bionic needs to happen too, and might require more work | 15:40 |
| georgk | wait, I'll take the resulting images | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | georgk: that's not what I understood :p | 15:40 |
| itxaka | too late georgk | 15:40 |
| mattmceuen | too late georgk | 15:40 |
| itxaka | lmao | 15:40 |
| georgk | I know! | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | hahah | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | that's a sign | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | we all understood it that way :p | 15:40 |
| georgk | yes, yea, the entire community... | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | hahaha | 15:41 |
| georgk | I am happy to help | 15:41 |
| georgk | I might need some pointers | 15:42 |
| mattmceuen | evrardjp would you be able to collaborate with georgk on that? Hopefully it "just works" | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | sure, don't hesitate to ask :) | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | yeah I am fine with helping. | 15:43 |
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| mattmceuen | tytyty | 15:43 |
| evrardjp | but everyone can help :p | 15:43 |
| mattmceuen | for sure | 15:43 |
| georgk | thanks | 15:44 |
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| mattmceuen | alright - I think we've discussed this one pretty well. Other topics? | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | ok - in that case we can call it a day! | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | thanks everyone for joining | 15:45 |
| georgk | ok, thank you all! | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | appreciate your time & your brainpower | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 11 15:46:06 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-06-11-14.59.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-06-11-14.59.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-06-11-14.59.log.html | 15:46 |
| evrardjp | thank you mattmceuen! | 15:46 |
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