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| idan_hefetz | Hi :) | 08:00 |
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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 10 08:00:23 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi :-) | 08:00 |
| eyalb | \o | 08:00 |
| e0ne | morning | 08:01 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Status and updates | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:02 | |
| ifat_afek | I have no special updates. I was OOO most of the last week. | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | Still working on preparing for Denver sessions. I’m preparing a demo for the Heat&Vitrage session, and helping with the Monasca&Vitrage lab. | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/global-search?t=vitrage | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | That’s it for me. | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | Anyone else has updates? | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | e0ne: you suggested a webex today at 15:00 utc+3, right? eyalb and I can make it | 08:06 |
| e0ne | ifat_afek: I'll be available after this time. 15.30 it's better but I can try to be available at 13.30 | 08:08 |
| e0ne | at 15.00 | 08:08 |
| eyalb | ok for me | 08:08 |
| ifat_afek | fine with me too | 08:08 |
| e0ne | I've got some questions about API and dashboard, I'll add my topics for PTG discussion | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | ok | 08:09 |
| e0ne | I think, I can continue with vitrage upgrades stuff now which was started last year | 08:09 |
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| ifat_afek | great :-) | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | any other issue for today’s meeting? | 08:11 |
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| ifat_afek | Ok, see you next week :-) | 08:15 |
| eyalb | bye | 08:15 |
| e0ne | have a good day! | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 10 08:15:49 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2019/vitrage.2019-04-10-08.00.html | 08:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2019/vitrage.2019-04-10-08.00.txt | 08:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2019/vitrage.2019-04-10-08.00.log.html | 08:15 |
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| mgoddard | #startmeeting kolla | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 10 15:01:14 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mgoddard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:01 |
| hrw | o/ | 15:01 |
| mgoddard | Hello everyone | 15:01 |
| mgoddard | #topic rollcall | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:01 | |
| mgoddard | o/ | 15:01 |
| JamesBenson | o/ | 15:01 |
| hrw | \o\ | 15:02 |
| mnasiadka | o/ | 15:02 |
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| mgoddard | #topic announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:03 | |
| mgoddard | #info Kolla master is no longer in feature freeze | 15:03 |
| hrw | blockers unblocked | 15:04 |
| mgoddard | Development can now start for Train cycle features | 15:04 |
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| JamesBenson | stein released then? | 15:04 |
| mgoddard | JamesBenson: not yet, but we have a stable branch | 15:04 |
| JamesBenson | k | 15:04 |
| mgoddard | #info RC1 and stable/stein branches have been created | 15:05 |
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| mgoddard | this will not be our last RC, but it good progress | 15:05 |
| mgoddard | #info Stable branch releases this week (hopefully) | 15:05 |
| mgoddard | Waiting for reviews on https://review.openstack.org/650411 and https://review.openstack.org/650412 | 15:05 |
| mgoddard | (from release team) | 15:06 |
| mgoddard | #action mgoddard to nudge release team about stable releases | 15:06 |
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| mgoddard | #info mgoddard away 2019-04-16 to 2019-04-23, then at summit/PTG, returning 2019-05-07 | 15:06 |
| mgoddard | is someone else able to take the meeting next week? | 15:07 |
| mgoddard | if not, please cancel it | 15:08 |
| mgoddard | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:08 | |
| mgoddard | Only chason and I were present for the last meeting, so no action items :) | 15:08 |
| mgoddard | #topic Kolla whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kolla whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:08 | |
| mgoddard | CI is green \o/ | 15:09 |
| mgoddard | mostly focusing on bugs & stability right now, but please keep the whiteboard up to date with features being worked on for Train | 15:09 |
| mgoddard | #topic Stein release status | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stein release status (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:10 | |
| mgoddard | I think we're looking fairly good right now | 15:10 |
| mgoddard | We have a stein branch | 15:10 |
| mgoddard | Need to switch to stein RDO repos when available | 15:10 |
| mgoddard | #action mgoddard to propose stein RDO switch patch | 15:11 |
| mgoddard | Anyone else have thoughts on how it's looking? | 15:11 |
| mgoddard | Anything we should be doing? | 15:11 |
| hrw | sorry to say but not looked much how we are with stein in k-a | 15:12 |
| chason | Sorry for be late.;( | 15:12 |
| mgoddard | chason: np | 15:13 |
| mnasiadka | RDO Stein packages might take a while, https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=15991 | 15:13 |
| chason | mgoddard I think we should give more love to kolla-cli project. | 15:13 |
| mgoddard | chason: I did think about that earlier. We haven't touched it | 15:13 |
| mgoddard | #link https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=15991 | 15:14 |
| mnasiadka | kolla-cli is in bad state, even functional tox jobs are failing | 15:14 |
| mgoddard | does anyone use it? | 15:14 |
| mnasiadka | I doubt, it might be PTG material to discuss it’s future. | 15:15 |
| hrw | http://mirror.centos.org/centos-7/7/cloud/x86_64/openstack-stein/ starts to be populated | 15:15 |
| mgoddard | are we obliged to release it, given that its under kolla governance? | 15:16 |
| hrw | x86-64 for now only but we may switch now | 15:16 |
| hrw | never used kolla-cli not even looked at it ;( | 15:16 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: looking at branches/tags - it was never released | 15:17 |
| mgoddard | I think it was mostly an Oracle code drop, then they stopped contributing :) | 15:17 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: true | 15:17 |
| chason | mgoddard Maybe kolla-cli is not good enough, so many people did not use it.. | 15:17 |
| jroll | data point for "does anyone use it": I've been using placement for about 6 months, and I just learned of kolla-cli now :) | 15:17 |
| jroll | er, s/placement/kolla/ | 15:17 |
| mnasiadka | chason: so then I think it needs a lot of love :) | 15:18 |
| mgoddard | I don't know if it's about the quality of the tool, more about awareness | 15:18 |
| chason | And its documentation is not comprehensive enough either. | 15:19 |
| mgoddard | it looked interesting, but overlaps with kayobe so we have never tried it | 15:19 |
| mnasiadka | And CI is broken, so in order to extend it we would need to fix it. | 15:20 |
| mgoddard | ok, I suggest we continue to not release it until someone complains | 15:20 |
| mgoddard | we can discuss future at the PTG | 15:20 |
| mgoddard | anyone disagree? | 15:20 |
| chason | agree, let's discuss this stuff at the PTG. | 15:21 |
| hrw | +1 | 15:21 |
| jroll | makes sense to me | 15:21 |
| mgoddard | I've added it to the PTG agenda | 15:22 |
| mgoddard | #topic Bug review & triage process | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug review & triage process (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:22 | |
| mgoddard | Did you add this one mnasiadka? | 15:22 |
| mnasiadka | I think we both did, just to remark we need to start to keep an eye on bugs :) | 15:23 |
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| mgoddard | Yeah. I've started doing it a bit more often, and going through the backlog every so often | 15:23 |
| mgoddard | I think we have a lot of debt here | 15:24 |
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| mnasiadka | Good, me too - we have a lot of bugs that have been moved between milestones for n releases | 15:24 |
| mgoddard | it would be nice if we could share the burden of cleaning up | 15:24 |
| mgoddard | any volunteers? | 15:24 |
| mgoddard | I knew that would make it go quiet :) | 15:25 |
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| mgoddard | guess its me and mnasiadka then | 15:27 |
| mgoddard | just have to take it slow | 15:27 |
| mgoddard | we could do with a process to make sure we're not going over the same bugs | 15:27 |
| mnasiadka | I think it would be good to have some... bug report/dashboard, and at least start handling new bugs | 15:28 |
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| chason | mgoddard mnasiadka I will help you if I have time. :) | 15:28 |
| mgoddard | thanks chason | 15:28 |
| mnasiadka | But haven’t investigated that yet, launchpad default pages are not the best :) | 15:28 |
| mgoddard | I do wonder how much effort we should be putting into LP if we are going to be forced to use storyboard at some point | 15:29 |
| mnasiadka | I wonder how teams are managing assigning bugs to milestones between storyboard and lp | 15:30 |
| mgoddard | my guess is they're not | 15:31 |
| mnasiadka | So it’s the only reason to stick to lp now, it’s nice to see bugs needed to be fixed before we do a release. | 15:32 |
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| mgoddard | yeah. it could be done with tags, but I don't know how you track which release its fixed in | 15:32 |
| mnasiadka | And we can use the lp api to list bugs closed after latest release to have a pointer if we need do a release | 15:33 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: this is another thing ;) | 15:33 |
| mgoddard | mnasiadka: do you think you could write up a short process for bug triage and backlog grooming? | 15:33 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: yeah, I’ll do it. | 15:34 |
| mgoddard | mnasiadka: some way that a distributed team could share the load without going over the same issues | 15:34 |
| mgoddard | e.g. check for NEW bugs, move to another state when processed | 15:34 |
| mgoddard | obviously a bit more detail than that | 15:34 |
| mnasiadka | Obviously ;) | 15:35 |
| mgoddard | #action mnasiadka to write up a short bug triage & grooming process in docs | 15:36 |
| mgoddard | thanks | 15:36 |
| mgoddard | #topic Ocata and Pike - Extended Maintenance vs EOL | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata and Pike - Extended Maintenance vs EOL (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:36 | |
| hrw | let EOL ocata | 15:36 |
| mnasiadka | +1 | 15:36 |
| mgoddard | for context - ocata and (soon) pike are in extended maintenance | 15:36 |
| mgoddard | in this phase, there are no more releases | 15:36 |
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| hrw | no opinion on pike - for me it can go eol too | 15:37 |
| mgoddard | but the branch may be kept alive | 15:37 |
| hrw | first branch I used was queens | 15:37 |
| mgoddard | officially, the branch may move to EOL after CI has been failing for 6 months | 15:37 |
| mgoddard | ocata images have now been failing for 2-3 months | 15:37 |
| hrw | and ocata CI is broken due to kafka | 15:37 |
| mgoddard | we could EOL in july if we leave it | 15:38 |
| mnasiadka | But we are not obliged to fix bugs if somebody raises them, when a branch is in EM? | 15:38 |
| hrw | https://review.openstack.org/651112 fixes ocata but is abandoned to make it EOL | 15:38 |
| mgoddard | mnasiadka: I don't think so | 15:38 |
| mgoddard | are we ever obliged to fix bugs? :) | 15:38 |
| egonzalez | sorry being late | 15:38 |
| mgoddard | hi egonzalez, no | 15:38 |
| hrw | mgoddard: may joke that it depends on who reports them | 15:38 |
| mgoddard | np | 15:38 |
| mgoddard | hrw: true :) | 15:39 |
| egonzalez | we're not abligated to maintain | 15:39 |
| egonzalez | only people who whish to keep the branch active should do it | 15:39 |
| jroll | yep, what egonzalez said | 15:39 |
| jroll | btw, I just remembered I said we might use ocata in that thread - update, we won't be using ocata :) | 15:39 |
| mgoddard | so if someone turns up and wants ocata, I'm happy to review patches to keep it alive, but I don't want to have to make patches myself | 15:40 |
| egonzalez | cores still have to review, but not maintain anything | 15:40 |
| egonzalez | if is broken is up to people who wants to maintain | 15:40 |
| mgoddard | sounds like we're happy to let ocata die (RIP) | 15:40 |
| mgoddard | currently, the periodic publishing job runs and fails every day. I propose we disable it on ocata | 15:41 |
| mgoddard | I feel embarassed every time I see the email :) | 15:41 |
| hrw | +2 | 15:42 |
| mnasiadka | Yeah, this is embarassing :) | 15:42 |
| mgoddard | #action mgoddard to stop ocata publish job | 15:42 |
| mgoddard | how about pike? are we happy to keep it in EM for now? | 15:43 |
| hrw | when it comes to backports I always try to find time to review them. | 15:43 |
| hrw | never used pike | 15:44 |
| mgoddard | +1, backports should be implicit RP+1 IMO | 15:44 |
| hrw | agree | 15:45 |
| mgoddard | ok, lets keep pike alive for now | 15:45 |
| mgoddard | #topic Virtual PTG | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Virtual PTG (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:45 | |
| mgoddard | we should schedule this soon | 15:46 |
| mgoddard | shall we go for 2x 4 hour slots? | 15:46 |
| mgoddard | too short? too long? | 15:46 |
| mnasiadka | It depends how many topics we have and how much people will attend | 15:47 |
| mgoddard | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-ptg | 15:48 |
| mnasiadka | Last time it was like... 4 people on webex the last day, and people coming in and going out ;) | 15:48 |
| mgoddard | 5 attendees, 13 topics | 15:48 |
| mgoddard | only 1 topic not proposed by me... does anyone else want to talk about anything? | 15:49 |
| mnasiadka | So +1 for 2x4 hrs, we can extend later if we feel it’s required | 15:49 |
| mgoddard | we could go for 1x 4 hour slot with a reduced topic list and schedule another later | 15:50 |
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| mnasiadka | Yeah, maybe not two days in a row, might be easier for people to join :) | 15:51 |
| mgoddard | ok, let's schedule 2 sessions, we can cancel the second if we don't need it | 15:51 |
| egonzalez | maybe something in the middle, 1x5 or 6 hours | 15:52 |
| mgoddard | #action mgoddard to send a doodley poll to ML about PTG | 15:52 |
| egonzalez | then a midcycle meeting | 15:52 |
| mgoddard | egonzalez: my concern with a long session is with timezones | 15:52 |
| egonzalez | thats true, good point | 15:52 |
| mgoddard | I understand you have to take time off though | 15:52 |
| mgoddard | I'll include hours in the poll and see how much overlap we get | 15:53 |
| mgoddard | #topic Libvirt TLS https://review.openstack.org/650448 (klindgren) | 15:53 |
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| mgoddard | klindgren was supposed to be joining but hasn't | 15:54 |
| mgoddard | they wanted to add TLS encryption to libvirt | 15:54 |
| mgoddard | the difficult part (as always) is around certificates | 15:54 |
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| mgoddard | and they wanted some guidance on direction | 15:54 |
| mgoddard | in their use case, they have some external tool that generates a server & client cert for each host and puts it on the box. | 15:55 |
| mgoddard | when that isn't possible, kolla ansible needs to put certs in place on each host | 15:56 |
| mgoddard | unlike the API cert, these are typically different for each host | 15:56 |
| mgoddard | options are: | 15:56 |
| mgoddard | 1. copy cert files from localhost e.g. /etc/kolla/config/nova/libvirt-tls/<host>/<client|server>.cert | 15:57 |
| mgoddard | 2. store files in YAML config, e.g. nova_libvirt_client_tls_cert.<cert|key> | 15:57 |
| hrw | hm. klindgren uses cacert. | 15:58 |
| mgoddard | hrw: yeah, would typically be necessary for an internal CA? | 15:58 |
| hrw | no idea | 15:58 |
| hrw | I was happy when let's encrypt started cause then I could just run script and ignore all cert issues | 15:59 |
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| mgoddard | hrw: I think that only works if your host is publicly accessible | 15:59 |
| hrw | yep | 15:59 |
| mgoddard | so I think klindgren is looking for feedback on what approach to go for | 16:00 |
| mgoddard | I was wary of providing too strong an opinion without anyone else agreeing | 16:01 |
| mgoddard | I probably prefer 1., since it avoids putting cert files in YAML | 16:01 |
| mgoddard | anyways, times up | 16:01 |
| mgoddard | thanks for coming everyone | 16:01 |
| mgoddard | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 10 16:01:33 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-04-10-15.01.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-04-10-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-04-10-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
| hrw | thx for chairing | 16:01 |
| chason | thx mgoddard | 16:02 |
| mnasiadka | Thx mgoddard | 16:02 |
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