Tuesday, 2019-03-05

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portdirect#startmeeting openstack-helm15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar  5 15:00:19 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is portdirect. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm'15:00
portdirecthey - lets give it untill 5 past for people to arrive15:00
portdirectthe Agenda for this week is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2019-03-0515:01
portdirect#topic rollcall15:01
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evrardjpo/15:01
hogepodgehi15:01
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portdirectok - lets go :)15:04
mattmceueno/15:04
portdirect#topic Multiple distro support for images15:04
*** openstack changes topic to "Multiple distro support for images (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)"15:04
evrardjpfor images or for helm charts too? ;)15:05
evrardjpI know someone who will hate me soon15:05
portdirecti think they are one and the same no? we are not an image building project (as much as possible anyway!)15:05
evrardjpI am just toying with you portdirect :)15:06
portdirecttheres been some really good input on this this morning in the etherpad - thanks evrardjp15:06
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portdirectbut i think we probably need more time here15:06
evrardjpdon't mention it, it's my job15:06
portdirectas until today theres only been myself contibuting to this15:06
hogepodgeportdirect: if only there was an image building project person here...15:06
evrardjphogepodge: :D15:06
portdirector three :D15:07
srwilkers^15:07
evrardjpanyway -- what deadline do we set portdirect for input, before going to spec?15:07
portdirectwe had tried for today15:08
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portdirectbut that was depenent on things being hashed out15:08
evrardjpsorry, what deadline do we set, portdirect, for receiving inputs of everyone*15:08
portdirectnext week i think15:08
portdirectso we can review at the next metting and then go to spec15:08
portdirectwork for you?15:08
srwilkersanother week seems sane to me15:08
evrardjpthat's long  :p but it doesn't prevent us to implement stuff in charts already15:08
portdirectnot that long - hopefully the we can work on the etherpad in the meantime15:09
evrardjpI think I would like to expedite this, so I might even start on a draft spec in the same etherpad -- so I can gather more feedback15:09
portdirecti know everyones been busy - buts is a shame no one had time to work on it for 6.5 days ;)15:09
portdirectevrardjp: feel free to start a deft in the pad15:10
evrardjpportdirect: that's how life works sadly15:10
evrardjpwill do tomorrow -- so that everyone gets still today to have a first view of my etherpads' comments15:10
portdirectanyway - we ok to come back to this next week?15:10
evrardjpsure thing15:10
portdirectthanks - lets move on then15:10
portdirect#topic Zuul credentials and next step for image publishing/consumption15:11
*** openstack changes topic to "Zuul credentials and next step for image publishing/consumption (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)"15:11
portdirectevrardjp: you're up :)15:11
evrardjpoh yeah, so I worked with the infra team, and refactored the jobs last week or so15:11
evrardjpwe should be ready with the latest patch of portdirect15:11
portdirectnice - thats great evrardjp15:12
evrardjpit means we'll have to do a first PR on the relative images to build15:12
evrardjpand then they will be published for consumption in dockerhub in openstackhelm namespace15:12
evrardjpI will not delve into the technical details here15:12
evrardjpso I will continue with the plan: the next step would be consuming them15:12
evrardjpFor the images that are published, that will be easy, just use the right path if it's not the right one already15:13
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evrardjpBut the interesting part is the depends-on15:13
evrardjpI have a spec that explains all of that, which could have some eyes. mattmceuen had a +1 but I manually rebased and lost it.15:14
portdirectdo you have a link to that?15:14
evrardjphttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/615623/15:14
evrardjpsorry15:14
evrardjp#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/615623/15:14
portdirectroger - lets get some eyes on this15:15
portdirectis it some variation on the themes of maintaining a equiv of this: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm/blob/master/tools/overrides/releases/pike/loci.yaml, that we then source in the gates?15:15
srwilkersthat would be my preference i think15:16
evrardjpit is exactly that15:17
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evrardjpit's just that pike is a rolling target (latest pike)15:17
evrardjpthe spec goes a little beyond by having pike-myownthing and pike-0.1.0 for example15:18
alanmeadowso/ sorry I'm late15:18
portdirectawesome - that sounds good evrardjp15:18
evrardjpit would mean ofc different overrides files based on context, default keeping it rolling.15:18
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evrardjpthat's all I have.15:19
portdirectok - thanks evrardjp for all your work here15:21
portdirectits really helping move us forward15:21
portdirect#topic Helm sync meeting15:21
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portdirecthogepodge: the floor is yours15:21
hogepodgeI spoke with Lachlan at KubeCon Seattle15:22
hogepodgeHe's open to having periodic meetings with the team to help out with 3.0 development15:22
portdirecthogepodge: this would be great15:23
hogepodgeI don't necessarily need more meetings, but it's something I can facilitate if the team would find it useful (as it did a few years ago)15:23
portdirectthe ones we had for helm 2 were incredibly useful15:23
alanmeadowsWould this be a sep set of calls from the recurring Helm 3 Dev calls Chris?15:23
alanmeadowsor just sort of a slot on there15:23
hogepodgethere are helm 3 dev calls?15:23
portdirectyes15:24
hogepodgeI think that the best approach would be to try and invite Lachlan or an appropriate Helm rep to those meetings and not add another spot to the calendar15:24
portdirecthogepodge: that would work15:24
portdirecthowell has been going to them a bit i think15:25
howellyes15:25
howelli've been attempting to get them to add new issues for the community to work on15:25
hogepodgeah, so the whole thing may be solved already? :-)15:25
evrardjphogepodge: impressive efficiency there15:26
hogepodge(I'm assuming you work on helm, howell? )15:26
alanmeadowswell, its rather divorced from the underlying workload15:26
howelli've been working on it, yes15:26
howell(though i wouldn't call myself a rep)15:26
alanmeadowsif we're looking for more of what we were doing15:27
alanmeadows"application needs forum"15:27
alanmeadowsthats not exactly the helm 3 call15:27
portdirecti think alanmeadows makes a good point here15:27
alanmeadowsas it is15:27
hogepodgeOk, well I'll take the meeting time back to the Helm team in general and see if we can carve out some specific feedback time15:27
hogepodgealanmeadows: to the point I just made, could we slot in helm 3 specific agenda during that meeting time?15:27
evrardjpalanmeadows: I would like to distill what you just said into knowledge for others, can you come back to this conversation after the meeting in the #openstack-helm channel?15:28
alanmeadowsMy only point was I think -- even though it may mean more meetings - you're likely going to what something separate from the helm 3 recurring dev call that exists, or get their permission to tack on an item for application owners to voice15:29
alanmeadowsevrardjp: sure15:29
evrardjpthanks15:31
hogepodgeportdirect: alanmeadows: I should get some more information from you on the helm 3 call and see what the best solution is, and also coordinate with the helm team. It sounds like the interest is there, and we should pursue it regardless of the forum.15:31
alanmeadowsThose meetings were always very useful15:31
alanmeadowsFor all involved15:32
portdirect++15:32
hogepodgeI have to drop out of the meeting to prep for the next staff meeting, but I can ping portdirect offline to figure stuff out.15:32
portdirecthogepodge: sounds great - thanks dude15:32
portdirecti think this brings us nicely to the next suprise topic15:33
portdirect#topic meeting times and office hours15:33
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evrardjpoh great!15:34
portdirectwhe have reviewed meeting times on a couple of occeasions, and each time come to the conclusion that the earth not being flat is an issue15:34
portdirectI tried to flatten it last weekend, though this was largely unsuccessful15:34
evrardjpyeah if we could all get the sun at the same time it would be a solution too15:34
evrardjpportdirect: did you fall on it enough hard?15:34
evrardjpmaybe we need to sync there.15:35
portdirectshould we hold another poll to get feedback on any potential alternat times?15:35
alanmeadowsIts always good to reassess15:35
evrardjpcorrect15:35
portdirectalso would it be worth considering having meetings at alternate times?15:36
evrardjpI like this meeting time tbh, but I think we lack office hours in different timezones15:36
portdirecteg - flip flopping between a westcoast(usa)/asia and eastcoast(usa)/eu focused time?15:36
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portdirector would office hours be better for this?15:37
srwilkersI don’t mind the idea of flip flopping15:37
evrardjpI like the idea of flip flop with a focus on APAC and West coast15:38
evrardjpthat would give jayahn more natural times for feedback15:38
portdirectexactly ^15:39
evrardjphowever I think we should separate the two conversations -- one to set the meeting time (maybe with a poll)15:39
evrardjpthen another to set the office hours slots15:39
portdirectagreed15:39
srwilkersThat would be nice, but I’d also propose reevaluating that after a period of time to determine whether it’s making a difference15:39
evrardjpthey have two different purposes15:39
portdirectI'll put together an email for the ml and get that out today so we can take this convo there15:39
evrardjpportdirect: great15:40
portdirectok - so lets move on15:40
portdirect#topic roundtable15:40
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evrardjpsrwilkers: that's fair. but We need to take a few time, not reassess after 2 weeks15:40
evrardjpmaybe a cycle or something15:40
portdirecti'd say probably half a cycle15:40
srwilkersevrardjp: agreed, but I’m also saying it shouldn’t be 8-12 weeks before we do15:41
evrardjpdue to where we are in the cycle, that's more like it portdirect15:41
portdirectok - sorry i jumped the gun with the context switch15:41
portdirectwe have anything else we want to discuss this week?15:41
evrardjpI have nothing to add15:42
DavidSullHey, figured I'd check here. Could someone review this change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/638249/ ? Thanks15:42
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evrardjpthanks DavidSull15:42
portdirectDavidSull: yes!15:43
DavidSullMuch appreciated15:43
portdirectsorry this dropped of my radar, but looks great to me, I'll just a have a quick check over of the syntax after the meeting but overall lgtm15:43
cheng1evrardjp, portdirect could you help review this patch, I have updated it today https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639087/15:47
portdirectcheng1: will do - the code was fine to me before, so should be pretty straight forward15:47
cheng1portdirect, thanks :)15:48
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evrardjpcheng1: will do15:49
portdirectok - lets wrap up and give everyone 10 mins back15:50
portdirectthanks everyone!15:50
portdirect#endmeeting15:50
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