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| portdirect | o/ | 15:01 |
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| portdirect | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 12 15:01:11 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is portdirect. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:01 |
| georgk | hi | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | o/ | 15:01 |
| howell_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:01 |
| portdirect | lets give it 5 mins for people to arrive - the agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2019-02-12 | 15:01 |
| roman_g | o/ | 15:01 |
| portdirect | please add to it liberally | 15:02 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 15:04 |
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| portdirect | ok - lets go! | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | wow I see one of our repos inside that list, not sure if it's ready for primetime yet :p | 15:05 |
| portdirect | #topic other projects making use of openstack helm | 15:05 |
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| srwilkers | evrardjp: :) | 15:05 |
| portdirect | its really awesome to see many projects either using openstack helm, or deploying the openstack helm charts | 15:05 |
| portdirect | theres been much discussion and interaction from the airship team here over the last few months | 15:06 |
| portdirect | as airship was essentially born out of a need to manage helm packaged infrastructure | 15:06 |
| portdirect | and we've had some great sessions with the starling-x team - as they start to use osh to deploy and manage openstack (using armada from airship) | 15:08 |
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| portdirect | and suse has also started an effort around deploying and managing osh | 15:09 |
| portdirect | I wonder how we could do a better job of supporting these projects? | 15:09 |
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| evrardjp | more presence on irc channels/ML would help | 15:09 |
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| portdirect | I know both starlingx and suse would like to use image distos that are not ubuntu/debian based | 15:09 |
| portdirect | and there have been some efforts to get that going, but have essentially stalled | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | It's not only you, portdirect, and srwilkers that can answer my noob questions -- we should scale the community | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: I cam report on that staling | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | can* | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | Basically we got results today! | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | We can now finally deploy OSH with our current code. | 15:11 |
| portdirect | the other thing that would be great is if we manage to get some of the work done in these projects upstreamed as fast as possible | 15:11 |
| mattmceuen | nice! | 15:11 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: the floor is yours | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | So now that the current code is "working",we'll be focusing on a last series of cleanups, and improving the CI, while the team will start building those images internally | 15:12 |
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| evrardjp | assuming the images pass local testing, we'll be providing them upstream. | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | (no need to worry you with broken images) | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | with that in mind, some of the people in our team will focus on OSH-images publishing too | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | so that docker hub will contain opensuse images | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | It just takes time to put everything together :) | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | anyway, long story short, we'll be helping you there. | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | Sadly -- there are hiccups | 15:13 |
| portdirect | awesome - i understand that sometimes a downstream approach is preferable for an org. | 15:14 |
| srwilkers | nice - thanks for the update evrardjp. nice to know it's coming | 15:14 |
| portdirect | is there anything we can do in the meantime to reduce the deltas you need to do? | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | We'll be working upstream first -- but we need to work in a dev environment :p | 15:14 |
| mattmceuen | yes, very exciting | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | So yes, when we'll start working on openSUSE images, you'll see a few questions popup | 15:15 |
| portdirect | sweet | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | because openSUSE will be different than ubuntu images | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | I think it would be great to come with a common understanding on how we'll do multi distros | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | (or multi images, I don't really care the name we gave :p ) | 15:15 |
| portdirect | i agree | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | And to be honest, we might have ideas, but you also have yours. | 15:15 |
| portdirect | it would be great to start a spec ther | 15:15 |
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| evrardjp | I think it would be great to sync first, and end up all together in that spec | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | using your expertise would help us tremendously | 15:16 |
| portdirect | ok - I'll make sure its a topic on next weeks adjenda | 15:16 |
| portdirect | other than images - are there any other ways we can assist? | 15:16 |
| portdirect | eg I've taken starlingx for a spin, is suse's project ready to kick the tyres on? | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | not yet for now. We have to finish up the last bits :) | 15:17 |
| evrardjp | but very close | 15:17 |
| portdirect | nice - I'd love to get running with it and provide some feedback | 15:17 |
| portdirect | its really great to see orgs using osh in so many different ways | 15:17 |
| portdirect | its more than we could have hoped for when we started this project :D | 15:18 |
| portdirect | I'll also reach out to the starlingx folks and see if i can get them to come along | 15:18 |
| portdirect | they have some really nice patches for ceilometer etc, that i would love to see a ps for. | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | In the long run, you'll probably see more involvement from SUSE,with new charts for projects that aren't deployed yet. | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | deployed yet in OSH* | 15:19 |
| portdirect | is there a roadmap here at all? so we can co-ordinate these efforts? or to early to make public? | 15:20 |
| portdirect | (sorry to push you, I'm just excited) | 15:20 |
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| evrardjp | It's too early and very internal. I can just give you where we want to go, and give you feedback update of our time upstream :p | 15:20 |
| portdirect | np - i understand - cheers evrardjp | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | For us having OSH very stable and very updated is important | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | deploying OSH newton is not important for us :p | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | I guess you can read the rest between the lines. | 15:21 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: what version would you like? If its not communicated its hard to read minds :) | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | Currently the helm charts are ocata, and we'd like to bump to at least Rocky. | 15:22 |
| evrardjp | there was a community member yesterday that was interested by Queens. I think that's worth pursuing too. | 15:22 |
| portdirect | nice - they should work with that pretty much - I'll get rocky support done this week | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | I mean ... as a stop gap to Rocky | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | great! | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | thanks a lot there! | 15:23 |
| portdirect | np dude | 15:23 |
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| portdirect | at the other end of the colab spectrum i think srwilkers has been working on Monasca? | 15:24 |
| srwilkers | yeah - been working with it off and on since the PTG, but intermittent is the best way to put it. as other things have been pulling me away | 15:24 |
| evrardjp | witek: ^ | 15:24 |
| witek | hi guys | 15:25 |
| srwilkers | hey witek | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: could you tell us more about your plan there? | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | (and the priorities for it, so we know the expectations...) | 15:25 |
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| srwilkers | sure. the plan's pretty simple - i'd like to see what it'd take to get monasca to a point that can work with the current openstack-helm charts | 15:26 |
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| evrardjp | Is there a way I/we can help you? | 15:27 |
| srwilkers | as far as expectations, i'd defer to witek -- once i've finalized what it takes to get monasca to run with openstack-helm, what's the best way to move forward there? is the plan that the monasca chart would continue to live in monasca-helm, or would you guys like to contribute it into openstack-helm? | 15:27 |
| witek | it would prefer to contribute it to OSH | 15:28 |
| srwilkers | awesome witek | 15:28 |
| evrardjp | :) | 15:29 |
| witek | is there still a lot missing to work with OSH? | 15:29 |
| portdirect | what is the current governance round monasca? I know it was in openstack for a bit, has it spun out like gnocchi? | 15:29 |
| evrardjp | that was the right answer for this meeting... (god that would have been awkwaaaaard!) | 15:29 |
| evrardjp | it's in governance :) | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/projects.yaml#L1753 | 15:30 |
| witek | yes, monasca-docker and monasca-helm were started outside but they use the code from OpenStack repos | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | witek: i wouldn't say there's a lot missing, it's more just updating the chart to include things that align it with the patterns used in our other charts. things like keystone user jobs, jobs for database management, etc | 15:30 |
| portdirect | gotcha - thanks evrardjp and witek | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: to me monasca-docker and monasca-helm don't exist there ! :p | 15:31 |
| srwilkers | as the monasca chart seems more like a macro chart, as opposed to a chart-per-service approach that openstack-helm takes | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: would that be a problem? | 15:32 |
| srwilkers | ie: the monasca chart has templates for a keystone deployment, grafana, etc | 15:32 |
| portdirect | yeah we would want to dis-agregate that | 15:32 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: umbrella charts are awesome for day one - a nightmare every day after | 15:32 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: ++ | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | I would have guessed too | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | let me rephrase my question | 15:33 |
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| evrardjp | would that be a no-go for starting to work together on upstreaming the monasca chart into OSH | 15:33 |
| portdirect | quite the opposite - i think it would be the place to start | 15:34 |
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| portdirect | srwilkers/witek ? | 15:34 |
| witek | do you have some intermediate work, where we could help with | 15:34 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: agreed - would be the place to start, instead of cleaning it up externally before bringing it in | 15:34 |
| portdirect | witek: are the current helm charts in openstack? I see them in github, is that under openstack governance? | 15:35 |
| portdirect | sorry to be so pernikity here - just dictates wheter we should go there and start work, or pull in as a ps in openstack-helm-addons | 15:36 |
| witek | portdirect: no, they are in monasca/monasca-helm repo | 15:36 |
| portdirect | *persnickety | 15:36 |
| portdirect | roger - who controls that? HP? | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | I think it's better to focus on the future than on the present of those charts | 15:37 |
| witek | no, I'm one of the project owners, but I would prefer to contribute the work to OSH | 15:37 |
| witek | HPE has started the effort | 15:37 |
| portdirect | awesome - if you made a ps to osh-addons we could start work there? | 15:37 |
| srwilkers | i think that'd be the best way to do it | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: why not OSH, as this is a openstack project? | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | (while the kafka and other parts can be in addons or infra) | 15:38 |
| portdirect | that would work too provided it used the openstack hosted parts | 15:38 |
| srwilkers | i think it would make sense to first pull in the macro chart to openstack-helm-addons, and once it's been updated to match our current patterns, we could then move the separate parts to the appropriate places | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | thanks for the clarification srwilkers and portdirect | 15:41 |
| srwilkers | as you mentioned evrardjp: kafka, zookeeper, etc in infra, monasca in osh, etc | 15:41 |
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| witek | should I take the code as it is? | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | as long as there is a path towards being in governance, I feel better about it | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | witek: can you? (licensing) | 15:41 |
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| witek | apache2 | 15:41 |
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| evrardjp | good news :) | 15:41 |
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| portdirect | witek: where you involved in th development of those charts in their current home? | 15:42 |
| witek | no | 15:42 |
| witek | it was HPE work | 15:43 |
| portdirect | ok - so we may need to sort out some issue here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackAndItsCLA#The_Developer_Certificate_of_Origin | 15:43 |
| portdirect | but should be relativity simple | 15:43 |
| portdirect | i think point c should make this ok, provide one of the authors signs off on it | 15:44 |
| witek | as far as I understand, it confirms the origin of the commit, has nothing to do with the license | 15:44 |
| portdirect | ah ok | 15:45 |
| portdirect | nice | 15:45 |
| portdirect | look forward to seeing monasca in osh, it was really nice when i last played with it! | 15:46 |
| witek | nice to hear, OK, I'll push the code then to osh-addons | 15:46 |
| portdirect | ++ | 15:46 |
| witek | #action witek push monasca-helm code to openstack-helm-addons | 15:47 |
| portdirect | ok to move on? | 15:47 |
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| witek | yes, thanks | 15:47 |
| portdirect | #topic new jobs in openstack-helm and openstack-helm-infra | 15:47 |
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| portdirect | srwilkers: floors yours | 15:47 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: witek is right there | 15:47 |
| srwilkers | so we've got some new jobs in openstack-helm and openstack-helm-infra | 15:48 |
| srwilkers | we've now got periodic/experimental multinode jobs for: | 15:48 |
| srwilkers | 1. deploying software via armada, then updating said software by updating the release-uuid annotation on the pods via a values change | 15:49 |
| srwilkers | 2. deploying software via armada, then generating new passphrases for said software, and updating it via armada | 15:49 |
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| srwilkers | the idea being, we could use these jobs as smoke tests for verifying we could essentially do an update of charts via updating the release-uuid annotation as well as verifying the charts support some manner of updating credentials for the services | 15:50 |
| portdirect | nice - how do the outcomes of those tests look atm? | 15:51 |
| evrardjp | that is a nice idea. | 15:51 |
| srwilkers | these jobs need a little more work (ideally something basic that exercises the services after the update), but i'm hoping this helps some of the outliers fall out so we can identify them | 15:51 |
| portdirect | yeah - id really like to see this end up in our periodic | 15:51 |
| mattmceuen | both of those are excellent tests srwilkers - thanks man | 15:51 |
| srwilkers | portdirect: they look good right now -- the chart that stands out to me currently is mariadb, as we need to support updating the root password | 15:52 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: maybe a dumb question, but can't you just deploy, let's say keystone, twice for the same results (with different values overrides) | 15:52 |
| srwilkers | grafana was another outlier, which resulted in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/634521/ | 15:52 |
| portdirect | ok I can hit that this week, as we also need to fix the xtradb config | 15:52 |
| srwilkers | evrardjp: sure, you could. this stood out as a sane approach though, as i think just triggering updates to everything with something like armada makes more sense | 15:53 |
| srwilkers | that could just be me | 15:53 |
| srwilkers | another reason i used armada is that the old armada-deploy job already generated passphrase overrides for each service. it was fairly simple to just extend that | 15:54 |
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| evrardjp | :) | 15:54 |
| evrardjp | Thanks for the clarification. | 15:54 |
| portdirect | the other thing we get from this approach is an understanding of how services react when their supporting services admin credential change | 15:55 |
| mattmceuen | As a heads-up srwilkers -- I'd heard that the release-uuid doesn't kick the ceph pods because the pod spec is left unchanged by it. So I'd be interested in looking over your shoulder on that and confirming whether/which pods actually do cycle from the whole set | 15:56 |
| portdirect | yup - this is one of the things i expect to fall out of this | 15:56 |
| srwilkers | yup | 15:56 |
| portdirect | where we need to apply the annotation at the pod level, rather than just the controller | 15:56 |
| srwilkers | ++ | 15:57 |
| portdirect | i still vote for us getting a `./smash.sh` script :D | 15:57 |
| srwilkers | i mean | 15:57 |
| portdirect | that simply deletes all pods in the cluster, and we can watch the fun unfold | 15:57 |
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| srwilkers | just use chaoskube or something -- i've got another, unrelated job that uses it | 15:57 |
| portdirect | its depressing how many times ive done this in a real world senario to 'shake-down' the world | 15:58 |
| srwilkers | just let it go nuts on a deployment and see what falls apart | 15:58 |
| srwilkers | osh-donkey-kong | 15:58 |
| portdirect | :) | 15:58 |
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| portdirect | ok 1 min left | 15:59 |
| portdirect | #topic reviews | 15:59 |
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| portdirect | we have several patches that could benefit from some extra eyes | 15:59 |
| portdirect | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/oiO6PaPZ/ | 15:59 |
| portdirect | please lets hit them | 16:00 |
| portdirect | sorry to have run out of time, lets move over to #openstack-helm | 16:00 |
| portdirect | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| portdirect | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 12 16:00:23 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-02-12-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-02-12-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-02-12-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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