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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 8 14:00:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | Morning rosmaita | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | good afternoon to you! | 14:01 |
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| jokke_ | lets give couple of minutes to see who else is joining us | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | sounds good, full agenda, so we should have some more people soon | 14:02 |
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| jokke_ | ok | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:05 | |
| jokke_ | So Berlin Summit is in next week, no meeting | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | Spec deadline is 2 weeks after summit | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | so 3 weeks to go to get them specs in | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: that reminds me, did you ever send out the operator survey about changing default image visibility? | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | FECK | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | It's going out today! | 14:06 |
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| rosmaita | i was thinking that will require a spec lite | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | ok, cool | 14:06 |
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| jokke_ | totally forgot that | 14:07 |
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| jokke_ | yeah | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | also, procedural question | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | shoot | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | for deprecated config opts, do we need a spec-lite to remove them? | 14:07 |
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| rosmaita | i'm thinking of owner_is_tenant | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | nah, if they are deprecated we clean them out and have reno for them | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | ok, that gives us some flexibility | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | nice, something else on this? | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | nope, other than maybe i'll take an action item to make a list of deprecated opts that haven't been removed | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | sounds good | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | could be some low-hanging fruit | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | #topic periodic jobs | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "periodic jobs (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:09 | |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita compile list of deprecated options | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | all green! | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | I see note on the etherpad that everything is green :) | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | except occasionally the keystone tips functional py35 | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | http://zuul.openstack.org/builds?project=openstack%2Fglance&pipeline=periodic&job_name=glance-tox-functional-py35-keystone-tips | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | yah, have you had any eye on those what times out? | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | no, i haven't looked | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | kk | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | for a week it looked like abhishek's change had fixed it | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | and then it failed again yesterday | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | yeah | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | might be something us related, might be something test framework related, might be something infra related. Lets keep eye on them | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | yep | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | that's all on periodic jobs | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | we should wish Happy Diwali to everyone not here, though | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | #topic smuggling validation data on location add/replace | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "smuggling validation data on location add/replace (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:11 | |
| jokke_ | Soo I saw your review there and went ahead and merged the spec | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | great | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | it obviously hit merge conflict but I think it finally merged this morn | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | slightly off topic, the image_cache uses checksum for download validation | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | i don't know if we want to take a performance hit on that to use multihash? | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | I think we do | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will file a bug | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | specially as it seems that the md5 is running away | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | well, that's not completely clear | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | it's ok for non-security uses | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | like making sure no bit flips during transfer | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | yeah, but I rather be prepared for the environments where it's not available | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | i am still trying to get a timeline on that | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | yeah, we should probably assume not available | 14:16 |
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| jokke_ | cool ... so this is not our first priority issue, just something we want to keep track of and be ready to act if needed | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita file glance bug about image cache does not use multihash to verify download | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | another good low hanging fruit for someone who suddenly has afternoon of free time :D | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | yeah, there's some example code in glanceclient | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | i'll try to carve out some time to test out imacdonn's patches, i have an S-1 devstack up | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | same here, I need to just reroll my containers running my devstacks | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | i need to get with the containers program, i am still using VMs | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | I just run lxc bare and simple :D | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | ok lets move on | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | #HTTP header encoding | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | #topic HTTP header encoding | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "HTTP header encoding (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:20 | |
| rosmaita | i guess this is me | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | well, it's my fault, anyway | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | :o | 14:21 |
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| rosmaita | we had that issue back in early rocky where some update to something broke something, and the glanceclient tests were breaking something, so the problem was sending unicode in headers which isn't strictly allowed, it's supposed to be 7bit ascii only | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | yes, I recall that | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | so i put up a change to use urlencoding to get unicode->7 bit ascii, and then sent that over in glanceclient headers | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | problem is, urlencoding may be a bit too much | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | it encodes some chars c where ord(c) < 128, which you don't need to do | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | ok | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | but the standards are a bit vague on how this should be done | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | anyway, we are gradually finding a case here or there that this change breaks | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | i think wxy found sometimes the token was getting corrupted and fixed that | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | I'm pretty sure, we're not the only ones dealing with this. Is there any safe-decode libs to just handle it? | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | and ian found that the hostname part of urls are being hosed | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | i haven't found anything | 14:24 |
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| rosmaita | the lib we are using allows you to specify a set of safe chars | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | that's what wxy and ian do | 14:25 |
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| rosmaita | but i don;'t know of a list anywhere | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | anyway, here is the actual point | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i was holding off on ian's patch until we figure out a thorough way to fix this | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | but no one seems to have time ATM to tackle that | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | so i have +2'd his patch to at least get this particular case he's running into fixed | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | can we just tell the lib "do not touch anything ord(c) < 128? | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | s/?/"// | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | 2? | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | "? | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | i think we could, by passing it a list of 127 chars! | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | :P | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | ohhh :| | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | yeah, but my idea was to scan the string first to see if any chars are out of range before doing anything | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | probably the same complexity | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | problem is, we still don't know what to do when we have a string with out-fo-range chars | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | Is there any reason why we shouldn't just reject it? | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | yeah, we need to support unicode | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | it's glancelient that had the tests that were using unicode, so i figured it was important to us at some point | 14:30 |
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| rosmaita | i think i should take an action item to write up a new bug for this and be clear about exactly what the problem is | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | Well it WAS at least with v1 | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | that's true | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | where all tag and property stuff happened over headers | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | so i think we should either (a) find a library that handles this properly (there must be one if it's a real problem) or (b) take your string-rejection strategy | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | now we are getting back to the same problem again | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | the codec gives a nice exception if the string is out of range | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | as for example the store IDs for where the image will be stored goes over headers again | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | so we wont' need to scan or anything | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | oh yeah | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | that is still experimental | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | we could require store IDs to be 7bit ascii | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | the descriptions can be unicode | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | yeah, that's a bit of bandaid but I guess so | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | I think we need to keep this hard on mind before dumping any more crap to the headers | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | and start being more strict that the stuff needs to happen before | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | and use the json based calls | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita propose patch to multi-backend config opts saying store ID must be 7-bit ASCII | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | yeah, problem is that it makes the actions extremely un-atomic | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | i guess we could do multipart uploads | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | json+data | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | jayy for HTTP based APIs ;) | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | I see only Imperial fecktons of ways that would go so badly wrong :D | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | yeah, no kidding | 14:36 |
| LiangFang | o/ | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | ok moving on | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | #topic list --include-stores | 14:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "list --include-stores (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:40 | |
| rosmaita | anyway, back to the point, are you ok with imacdonn's quick-fix patch? | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | oops, sorry about the slow typing | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | #undo | 14:40 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic list --include-stores | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | I will need to review the patch | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | sounds good, just wanted to verify you are not opposed in principle | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | I'll put it on my list to do before heading to berlin | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | ty | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | i'm done | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | #topic list --include-stores | 14:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "list --include-stores (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:41 | |
| jokke_ | there we go | 14:41 |
| LiangFang | hi Jokke | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | The spec was also merged this morn | 14:42 |
| LiangFang | my turn now?:) | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | this is also on my list to test out | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | sorry LiangFang, the floor is yours | 14:43 |
| LiangFang | OK.. | 14:43 |
| LiangFang | sorry | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | no my fault, i interrupted | 14:44 |
| LiangFang | my English is not good, now is my topic? | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | LiangFang: yes | 14:45 |
| LiangFang | OK.. | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | that's what we are talking about | 14:45 |
| LiangFang | sorry today I joined late | 14:45 |
| LiangFang | I have implemented the code | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605014/ | 14:46 |
| LiangFang | someone gave comment to add UT, and I have added | 14:46 |
| LiangFang | hope you can help to take a look about this | 14:46 |
| LiangFang | another thing is that, I have about 10 patch to submit | 14:47 |
| LiangFang | so in the following days, I will submit one by one | 14:47 |
| LiangFang | sorry to bother you | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | no bother, but remember that next week is the summit, so things may be a bit slow | 14:48 |
| LiangFang | Ok | 14:48 |
| LiangFang | some colleague will join summit there | 14:48 |
| LiangFang | but the network team | 14:49 |
| LiangFang | I'm the storage team | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | so you are doing cinder and glance? | 14:49 |
| LiangFang | yes | 14:50 |
| LiangFang | starlingx glance and cinder | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:51 |
| LiangFang | so I also have lots of cinder patches to submit | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | ok lets continue on open discussion | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | #topic open discussion | 14:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:52 | |
| jokke_ | Anything else we run out of time? | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | *before | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | yeah, just want to mention that gorka has a cinder patch up about greenthread starvation caused by the image-signature-verification code in cinder's image utils | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | i suspect we may be subject to a similar situation with the glance_store code | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | oh, how did that happen? | 14:54 |
| LiangFang | glance support image cache, right? | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | well, it depends on how much stuff you have running on the node | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | cinder uses rabbitmq for the scheduler and volume service interactions | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | LiangFang: yes we have caching that can be enabled on the API nodes | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | that's what was detecting starvation as service being down | 14:55 |
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| rosmaita | so we probably don't see that, but could see it in hyperconverged edge nodes | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | found the link | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/615934/ | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: iirc our greenpool is by default 8000 per process ... I'd be surprised if that is the bottle neck | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | gorka has an interesting comment in there about greenthread and native thread interactions | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i wonder why they're seeing this and we're not | 14:57 |
| LiangFang | jokke_: thanks | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: likely because we do stream the data through all our validation rather than cache it and run it through the validators and what not | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | yeah, that makes sense | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | like only place I really see us hitting heavily with these issue would be using fs store (which we fortunately do not support) with caching and loads of concurrent imports all going at the same time | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | ok, well that's a relief | 15:02 |
| jokke_ | yeah, we rarely do blocking io | 15:03 |
| jokke_ | most of our stuff is throttled by line speeds and buffers rather than having myriads of blocking interrupts | 15:04 |
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| rosmaita | hooray for glance! | 15:04 |
| jokke_ | ok, sorry, we're out of time | 15:04 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 8 15:04:48 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-11-08-14.00.html | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-11-08-14.00.txt | 15:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-11-08-14.00.log.html | 15:04 |
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