Wednesday, 2018-04-11

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ifat_afek#startmeeting vitrage08:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 11 08:00:09 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vitrage'08:00
ifat_afekHi :-)08:00
annarezHi :)08:00
peipeiHi :)08:00
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idan_hefetzhi08:02
ifat_afekAgenda:08:03
ifat_afek* Status and updates08:03
ifat_afek* Vancouver Preparations08:03
ifat_afek* Open Discussion08:03
ifat_afek#topic Status and updates08:03
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ifat_afekI don’t have any special updates. I started implementing get_changes for the static datasource. We need it for a demo. Should not take too long.08:03
ifat_afekThat’s it for me08:03
annarezi'll update08:04
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annarezI started to work on RCA and alarm history08:04
annarezI have an optional design and I want to try it before fully implement08:05
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annarezthats it for me, hope I'll have more updates next week :)08:06
idan_hefetzmy update: working on graph init from database,I will add the blueprint soon08:06
ifat_afekThanks :-)08:06
najjari'll update08:06
nivohi08:07
najjari started to work on Promethues datasource08:07
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eyalb\o/08:07
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najjarreading on how promethues works and how we can integrate with it08:08
najjarit seems we need to use the Alertmanager for that08:09
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najjari'll update what will happen in this field08:09
najjarthanks08:09
ifat_afekThanks08:10
ifat_afekI know that idan_kinori is progressing with the k8s datasource08:10
ifat_afekAnyone else?08:10
peipeiI'll update about diagnose action.08:11
peipeiI think that there is truly no need to raise deduced alarm, but the problem is repeatitive diagnose.08:11
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peipeiAnd maybe there will be a way to filter them. Besides, I'm not sure about whether equivalence will be fully implemented in Rocky?08:14
ifat_afekpeipei: Have you considered the options we suggested in the last email? do you think it will work?08:14
peipeiYes, I think it works.08:14
ifat_afekAnd we definitely should find a way to prevent repetative diagnose actions08:14
ifat_afekWhat do you mean by “'m not sure about whether equivalence will be fully implemented in Rocky”? is it still needed?08:15
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peipeiActually, I think diagnose action does not depend on equivalence since action is triggered in templates08:17
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ifat_afekI think so too. I think that it looked like you needed euquivalence to handle the duplciation between the real alarms and the deduced alarms. But if you are not going to use deduced alarms, most of the complexity is gone08:18
ifat_afekSolving the problem of not doing repetative diagnose actions seems much much easier08:18
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ifat_afekOn our side, idan_kinori just reached the point where he tries to unite the k8s nodes with the Nova instances. He tries to do it without using an equivalence mechanism. We will know in a few days if it works, and I hope we won’t need the equivalence for resources08:19
peipeiOk, and I think I will try to find a way to filter repeatitive diagnose.08:20
ifat_afekWhat do you mean by filter?08:21
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yujunzprevent ?08:21
ifat_afekOk :-)08:21
ifat_afekAnything else regarding this issue, or shall we move on?08:22
peipeiMove on please08:23
ifat_afekOK08:23
ifat_afek#topic Vancouver Preparations08:23
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ifat_afekWe can submit proposals for forums in Vancouver until Sunday EOD08:24
ifat_afekEtherpad for forum ideas:08:24
ifat_afek#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-vitrage-brainstorming08:24
ifat_afekI plan to submit today the two ideas that are already08:24
ifat_afekYou can still suggest new topics08:24
ifat_afekForum submission:08:24
ifat_afek#link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/08:24
ifat_afekRegarding the sessions – I started writing the ‘project updates’ presentation outline.08:25
ifat_afekThat’s it for me08:25
najjarI'm doing the Lab session, now i'm checking how to get OVH to our needs08:26
najjareyalb is doing the session with me08:27
yujunzI suppose I shall draft the procactive RCA part based on the current proposal, i.e. diagnose without deduced alarm.08:28
yujunzHowever, there is a some risk on my VISA.08:29
ifat_afekCrossing our fingers..08:30
yujunzMy passport is still under administrative processing by US08:30
yujunzI need to get it back then submit for Canada VISA08:30
yujunzThat's all08:30
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najjar😢08:31
ifat_afekAny other update regarding Vancouver?08:32
ifat_afek#topic Open Discussion08:34
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ifat_afekAny other issues to discuss?08:34
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ifat_afekBye, see you next week!08:36
eyalbbye08:36
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ifat_afek#endmeeting08:36
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Jeffrey4l#startmeeting kolla16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 11 16:00:15 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Jeffrey4l. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kolla'16:00
Jeffrey4l#topic rollcall16:01
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spsurya__\016:01
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gbuteauo/16:01
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egonzalezO/16:02
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Jeffrey4l#topic announcements16:02
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Jeffrey4lstable-policy tag has been removed in kolla16:02
Jeffrey4lmore info please check http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129265.html16:03
Jeffrey4lthis is a big change for us.16:03
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Jeffrey4lwith this, we could backport bp16:03
Jeffrey4lbut we need care about this . and should not break anything.16:04
Jeffrey4lany other from community?16:04
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Jeffrey4lok. seems we have no agenda today.16:05
Jeffrey4l#topic Open Discussion16:05
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Jeffrey4li have one for open discussion.16:05
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Jeffrey4lwe have a long review queue now. some develop start complain that patches have no reviewers to check.16:05
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Jeffrey4lso please check the review queue we you have times.16:07
gemasgoel: you around?16:07
gemaJeffrey4l: we had a question16:07
Jeffrey4lmoreover, there are two tools may helpful to find which patch is ready to ber reviewed16:07
Jeffrey4lgema, yep16:07
Jeffrey4l#link https://github.com/openstack/gertty16:07
gemaJeffrey4l: trying to get sgoel to explain, but essentially we are seeing a race condition when deploying with the kolla tools container16:08
gemaand were wondering if this is something someone else has seen16:08
Jeffrey4l#link https://github.com/openstack/gerrit-dash-creator16:08
Jeffrey4lcheck these interesting tools :D16:08
sgoelhey16:09
Jeffrey4lgema, could you explain the details?16:09
gemasgoel: go for it, please16:09
Jeffrey4lwhat kind of race condition?16:09
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Jeffrey4lhello sgoel16:09
sgoelI am seeing a connectivity error caught in kolla_toolbox.py16:10
Jeffrey4lsgoel, better provides some error logs.16:10
sgoelthis is seen when exec_start is called16:10
Jeffrey4li don't see the error16:10
Jeffrey4lsgoel, could you file a bug with some logs ?16:11
sgoelIf I put in a delay or a retry the deployment works fine16:11
sgoelOk, I can post logs.16:11
gemaJeffrey4l: so this is something you think may be worth looking into16:11
gemaJeffrey4l: we'll raise a bug then16:12
Jeffrey4lthis issue may be possible. i guss some former container isn't ready during calling kolla_toolbox.py16:13
gemaack16:13
Jeffrey4lif so, adding a task in kolla-ansible to wait until the container is really ready will be helpful16:13
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Jeffrey4lanyway, need logs to check what's really going on.16:14
gemaJeffrey4l: we have no better way of blocking than delays?16:14
Jeffrey4lgema, yes. adding a wait task in ansible is the only way.16:14
gemaJeffrey4l: ok16:14
Jeffrey4li don't think docker itself have better solution.16:15
gemaJeffrey4l: no, kubernetes however.. ;)16:15
Jeffrey4lanother solution is: adding the wait logical in the later container.16:15
gemaJeffrey4l: either way, we will raise it and investigate/try to fix16:15
Jeffrey4lkubernetes just retry many times.16:15
gemayup16:15
Jeffrey4lwhich is not a good solution i think16:15
gemagood point16:16
Jeffrey4lwe could use the same method: use "until" in the ansible task.16:16
Jeffrey4lthen retry until it works. :D16:16
gemathat may be better than random delay tasks, tbh, but until we know why it is failing, we don't really know16:16
gemaJeffrey4l: you gave us enough to get started, thanks16:17
Jeffrey4lyeah16:17
sgoelJeffrey4l: agree that a retry framework will be good. i'll raise a bug today with logs16:17
Jeffrey4lcool. thanks gema sgoel16:17
rwellumKubernetes, you'd create an init container that does a readiness probe :)16:18
Jeffrey4lrwellum, it should not related to init container. just adding readiness probe for pod(container) is OK.16:18
rwellumPretty much no-one just allows the containers to crash and retry anymore16:18
rwellumYeah - so something similar then?16:18
Jeffrey4lrwellum, but it is not good. say it as "endless retry". :/16:19
Jeffrey4li still think we need some to do the orchestration works on k8s. k8s don't handle this properly.16:20
Jeffrey4lthen any voluteer for next open topic?16:21
gbuteauo/16:21
Jeffrey4l gbuteau please16:21
gbuteauhi all, wrt blueprint neutron-ipam-driver-infoblox - thank you for accepting the kolla changes, although I notice that the kolla-ansible changes are still pending16:21
gbuteau#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555032/16:21
gbuteaui'm happy to provide more information or updates if needed16:22
Jeffrey4l gbuteau cool. i added to my review queue, and left a "recheck" to rerun the CI jobs again.16:23
Jeffrey4lmake sure it won't break anything.16:23
gbuteauthank you Jeffrey4116:23
Jeffrey4li will review it tomorrow16:23
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Jeffrey4lanything esle? gbuteau16:24
gbuteauThat's it, thx again Jeffrey4116:24
Jeffrey4lthanks gbuteau.16:25
Jeffrey4lany other topics?16:25
Jeffrey4lseems no16:27
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Jeffrey4llet us end the meeting now.16:27
Jeffrey4lthanks guys for coming.16:28
Jeffrey4lhave a good day :D16:28
Jeffrey4l#endmeeting16:28
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