Wednesday, 2018-02-14

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ifat_afek#startmeeting vitrage08:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 14 08:00:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vitrage'08:00
ifat_afekHi :-)08:00
eyalb\o/08:00
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LiatHi (-:08:00
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annarezHi!08:02
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ifat_afekAgenda:08:03
ifat_afek•Status and updates08:03
ifat_afek•Dublin PTG08:03
ifat_afek•Open Discussion08:03
ifat_afek#topic Status and updates08:03
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ifat_afekI’m checking a brand-new Queens devstack. Most of the functionality works well, but we might need to release one last version with bug fixes. It should be done by next week.08:04
ifat_afekQueens final release candidates: February 19-2308:04
ifat_afekThat’s it for me. Any other updates?08:04
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najjarhihoo08:05
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annarezI'll update08:06
annarezafter long time abroad :)  I'm back on to working on  networx 2.0 in Vitrage08:07
annarezI'll push my changes today or tomorrow08:07
annarezthat's it for me08:08
ifat_afekGreat, thanks08:08
ifat_afekAn update on behalf of idan_hefetz: he started working on redesign and implementation of Vitrage HA08:09
ifat_afekI don’t think there are other updates. We are very few today08:09
ifat_afek#topic Dublin PTG08:09
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ifat_afekWe should plan the PTG agenda. I’m going to start a draft, and feel free to add/modify it08:10
ifat_afek#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-ptg-rocky08:10
ifat_afekThe PTG schedule:08:10
ifat_afek#link https://www.openstack.org/ptg#tab_schedule08:10
ifat_afek#topic Open Discussion08:10
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ifat_afekWe still need to migrate to StoryBoard… maybe next week08:10
ifat_afekThat’s it for me. Anyone else wants to talk about anything?08:11
ifat_afekLet’s close the meeting. Bye :-)08:13
eyalbbye08:13
annarezbye :)08:13
Liatbye08:13
ifat_afek#endmeeting08:13
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pakenHi, did the meeting already start?16:01
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gemanot yet16:01
pakenok16:01
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inc0#startmeeting kolla16:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 14 16:02:37 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
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inc0now it did:)16:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kolla'16:02
mgoddard_\o16:02
inc0#topic w00t!16:02
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gkadam_O/16:03
inc0good morning everyone16:03
yankcrimehi!16:03
gemao/16:03
pakenhi there!16:03
sadasuhello16:03
* gkadam_ 's first kolla meeting. Hello Everyone! :)16:03
mchlumskyhi16:03
inc0welcome gkadam_16:03
pbourkew00t w00t16:04
gkadam_inc0, thanks! :)16:04
pbourkewelcome gkadam_16:04
inc0happy Valentines day;)16:04
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inc0ok let's move to actual meeting16:05
inc0#topic announcements16:05
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inc0well, this is probably last meeting I'm leading. Everyone voted for next PTL?16:05
inc0elections ends in few hours16:05
inc0any community announcements?16:06
pbourkethanks again for your service inc016:06
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inc0:)16:07
gkadam_inc0++16:07
gemainc0: thanks a lot for your leadership indeed!16:07
inc0just be as good to next ptl as you were to me16:07
inc0that's my request16:07
inc0allright, let's move to agenda16:07
inc0#topic Deploying a cloud with Kolla for the RDO test days - status?16:08
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inc0dmsimard: ^16:08
pbourkeI actually added that line, unsure if dmsimard is around16:08
dmsimardHi, we actually just discussed it in our RDO meeting16:08
pbourkeah there you are :)16:08
inc0so what are we doing and how do we do it?:)16:09
dmsimardLong story short we're going to push it until after the PTG. The timing is not really good right now with everyone scrambling to get Queens out the door16:09
dmsimardWe're still very much interested in doing it (and I hope you are too)16:09
pbourkethat probably makes sense too in that we can test using the released queens rather than an rc16:10
pbourkedmsimard: just please don't be shy about sending us reminders to the mailing list so everyone can be prepared16:10
dmsimardSomething like that, the stable repos will be out by then as well16:10
pbourkedmsimard: will you be at the PTG?16:10
dmsimardUnfortunately not this time around but some of my colleagues will be there16:11
dmsimardI'll hopefully be in Vancouver though16:11
pbourkekk16:11
dmsimardDon't be shy to poke me for updates either, I'm on a lot of threads so sometimes it's hard to keep up :)16:12
pbourkeI hear you16:12
dmsimard(just like you pinged me right now!)16:12
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pbourkeok so we'll pick it up again after the PTG16:13
inc0ok, so let's move on then16:14
inc0thanks dmsimard for update16:14
inc0#topic keystone uuid removal in rocky (pbourke)16:14
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dmsimardAnytime16:14
inc0pbourke: you're on16:14
pbourkeok so as people may have noticed keystone is broken in kolla master16:15
pbourkethey moved onto rocky and removed uuid tokens16:15
pbourkeluckily for us, fernet works fine in kolla so it will be a small patch to update our defaults16:16
pbourkethat said, we have two tasks as I see it16:16
pbourke1) reconfigure/upgrade for people coming from previous releases16:16
pbourke2) what to do with our queens master as is before we branch16:16
pbourke2) may not be an issue as the gates still seem to be working though im not sure how...16:16
pbourkedoes this make sense to people?16:17
inc0well...how it's possible that gates work? oO16:18
inc0also, does that mean we can get rid of memcached?16:18
pbourkeyeah I think I need to figure that out :/16:18
pbourkeI think horizon may still need it?16:18
inc0tbd, but memcache with uuid was huge security risk16:19
pbourkeanyway, just wanted to make people aware. Will try sync up with Jeffrey4l wrt branching16:19
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inc0thanks for heads up16:20
inc0pbourke: anythin else on that topic?16:21
pbourkedont think so :)16:21
inc0kk16:21
inc0#topic yankcrime - haproxy config16:21
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inc0yankcrime: you have the floor16:21
yankcrimewow16:21
yankcrimehi!16:21
inc0hello:)16:21
gkadam_hello yankcrime :)16:21
yankcrimeok so here's the change i proposed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/534834/16:21
yankcrimeit's been languishing for a while, mostly because of a subject which pbourke brought up on openstack-dev16:22
pbourkeyeah im sort of to blame here...16:22
pbourkeessentially the patch looks fine, but it sort of re-raised the whole 'kolla only provides essential config' philosophy we have going16:23
yankcrimeso in my case, the suggestion isn't arbitrary - it's driven by an actual use case, and one which i think is fairly common16:23
yankcrimehence the associated blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+spec/haproxy-listener-extra-options16:23
inc0pbourke: well we don't have config overrides for haproxy16:23
pbourkeyeah I get that16:24
pbourkethough in the past we've gone with the 'with_first_found' or whatever the ansible directive is for these kind of files16:24
pbourkeoverall I dont mind hugely I just want to be consistent16:24
mgoddard_is there any sane way that config overrides could work for haproxy?16:24
pbourkeas others have had similar patches rejected in the past16:24
yankcrimeright, and i'm guessing non-ini merge_config is a long ways off being viable for stuff like haproxy16:24
pbourkewhich doesn't seen fair16:24
pbourke*seem16:24
inc0mgoddard_: you can use your own config completely16:24
mgoddard_yeah, but I don't want to have to maintain a clone of the template16:25
inc0so worst case you can do kolla-ansible genconfig, get default, edit and make ansible use it16:25
yankcrimehaproxy's configuration is probably worst-case for having to completely manage your own configuration outside of kolla-ansible though, no?16:25
inc0yeah it's not ideal16:25
inc0that being said, as pbourke mentioned, having completelty extensible config is also hard/impossible16:26
mgoddard_it is, but in cases where config can't be overridden, it's more justified right?16:26
inc0well in .ini confs we wouldn't accept that16:27
inc0here, we debate:)16:27
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inc0I'm actually for accepting this one16:27
mgoddard_what if the haproxy config was more modular, and autogenerated for each service from snippets16:27
yankcrimewell the conversation is more about whether or not you could see this feature, which is justified with a use-case, is worth merging16:28
inc0mgoddard_: if you could implement sth like that, it sounds great16:28
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pbourkemy current thinking on it is there's no one right answer16:28
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pbourkethe real solution is probably somewhere in between the two extremes16:29
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inc0yeah I agree pbourke that's why I would accept this one and debate proper full solution16:29
inc0PTG?:)16:29
mgoddard_that sounds like a good compromise16:29
pbourkeyeah I think that's a good course of action16:29
pbourke+2 so for your change yankcrime, sorry again for the procrastination16:30
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pbourkethanks for sticking with it16:30
yankcrimeno worries pbourke, thanks for helping it move along16:30
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inc0ok16:31
inc0#topic open discussion16:31
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inc0anyone?16:31
pakenHi there16:31
inc0hey:) go ahead paken16:31
pakensince this is my first meeting, I would like to introduce myself16:31
gkadam_hey paken , same here16:31
pakenMy actual name is Paco Bernabé (spaniard living/working in The Netherlands)16:31
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pakenWorking at SURFsara, where we have several clusters16:32
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pakenWe have the plan of using Openstack to virtualize all these clusters16:32
pakenand we are looking at Kolla-Ansible as an option for deployment16:32
pakenI have submitted last week an small change request16:32
pakenbut I have some other related the Ansible playbooks16:33
pakensince this is where I have started looking at16:33
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inc0paken: so right now we are in feature freeze - close to release and only bufixes are accepted16:33
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inc0for next week or so16:33
pakenso, I hope to keep on contributing on this.16:33
pakenok, I understand16:33
inc0but awesome, thank you16:34
inc0when we branch out queens, we're open for business again16:34
pbourkepaken: feel free to post a link to your change(s) if you'd like to get more progress with it16:34
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gkadam_let me introduce my self as well. I am currently working in to openstack tech support at Red Hat16:35
pakenok, great. I’ll keep on making the list and submitting the changes16:35
inc0also if you run into issues during your deployments, make sure to look for help on our channel16:35
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pakensure, thanks16:35
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inc0gkadam_: we have quite a few hatters in our community:16:35
pbourkeIntroductions are a nice idea actually, nice to get to know new members16:35
gkadam_just came accross the dployment tool called infrared which i tried this week , and learnt that it somehow is using Kolla , tyring to learn more in to container world16:36
gkadam_also, i am looking for some easy fixes to start with16:36
inc0agree pbourke we should make it standard part of meeting16:36
hrwgkadam_: by 'openstack tech support' you mean rhosp?16:36
gkadam_as m not a seasoned programmer16:36
gkadam_hrw, yep16:36
hrwgkadam_: one day I have to check how rhosp looks16:37
inc0gkadam_: I'm not familiar with infrared, but tripleo uses kolla images16:37
gkadam_hrw, :D16:37
egonzalezgkadam_ search for wish list bugs in launchpad16:37
gkadam_egonzalez, ack16:37
gkadam_inc0, http://infrared.readthedocs.io/en/infrared_v1/introduction.html16:37
egonzalezBut now we need for help in testing upgrades to queens16:38
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jmccarthyegonzalez: I'm trying that out a bit actually at the moment, maybe we can chat some more afters16:41
egonzalezjmccarthy sure16:42
inc0ok, anyone else wants to talk about anything?:)16:43
pakenone question only16:43
pakenalthough you are feature freeze, changes can still be submitted?16:43
pbourkepaken: yes16:43
egonzalezYes but not merged16:43
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pbourkethey'll just be held / -1'd until branching16:43
pakencool, got it, thanks16:43
egonzalezOnly bug fixes16:43
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pbourkei have a small announcement also, I finally got ceph-ansible working with kolla :)16:44
inc0oh, cool!16:44
egonzalezYay!16:44
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inc0was it hard?16:44
pakennice16:44
spiette_\o/16:44
pbourkevery minimal changes actually16:44
pbourkewhich Im very pleased about16:44
pbourkeso maybe I'll prepare a demo for the PTG and we can go from there16:44
inc0cool, then, do we want to deprecate ceph in Rocky?16:44
mchlumskyHi, I'm also new here. I work at Ubisoft in Montreal. I have a question regarding what pbourke mentioned regarding 'with_first_found' for custom configs. What was wrong with this approach?16:45
pbourkeinc0: unless objections I think it would be a good objective16:45
inc0mchlumsky: well you'd need to have your own copy of whole config file and keep it updated as defaults change16:45
pakeninc0: does that mean that that the tasks in external_ceph.yml won’t be used anymore?16:45
gemapbourke: let's discuss at PRG16:45
gemaPTG16:45
pbourkepaken: we could keep external ceph stuff16:45
gemawhat the changes are and how realistic it is for production16:45
inc0pbourke: well I'd go and mark it as deprecate now16:45
inc0now begin before Q is released16:46
pbourkegood point16:46
gemapbourke: I thought we had until the end of luminous to move :)16:46
egonzalezpaken ceph will likely be external ceph16:46
pakenok16:46
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gemahrw: we'll need to look into adding ARM64 images to ceph-ansible sources asap16:46
inc0while it can take more than one release, it will make it possible to remove it during rocky16:46
hrwgema: make a card16:46
gemahrw: you got it16:46
ktibipbourke, the final goal is to use ceph-ansible started by kolla ?16:46
pbourkegema: hrw: ceph-ansible can use any images afaik16:46
hrwgema: ok16:46
gemapbourke: but will kolla keep producing them?16:47
egonzalezWe can deprecate and remove when ready, not need to be next release16:47
inc0well we can keep producing them tbh16:47
pbourkektibi: the goal is to stop having to maintain ceph orchestration in kolla. ceph-ansible may be a means to this end16:47
inc0right egonzalez16:47
gemapbourke, inc0: ok, understood, let's talk about it at PTG and maybe do it in Rocky16:47
inc0that's why i'd be ok with marking it deprecated now and saying that "near future"16:47
gemainc0: yep, sounds good16:48
egonzalez+116:48
inc0near future could be Rocky16:48
ktibipbourke, right but is it kolla which use ceph-ansible ? or need to deploy a ceph cluster before kolla.16:48
inc0pbourke: will you make a change?:) release note with deprecation? and maybe deprecation warning16:48
hrwexternal ceph may one day mean end of ceph packaging for me ;D16:48
mchlumskyinc0, that's true but I found it very helpful when I needed to add custom keystone configuration to support openid connect in keystone16:48
inc0ktibi: kolla itself can install ceph16:48
pbourkeinc0: sure lets do it16:48
inc0we're talking about removing this ability because we have hard time supporting it16:49
ktibiinc0, ok great :D16:49
mchlumskyinc0, by custom keystone configuration, I meant the wsgi config16:49
pbourkemchlumsky: I would totalyl be ok with allowing with_first_found for every config16:49
pbourkemchlumsky: the issue is how we handle the ones we do provide16:49
inc0mchlumsky: right, you can do it, issue was with haproxy which itself is very long file16:50
inc0hard to keep track of changes16:50
egonzalezRe haproxy i was thinking on doing a macro to generate automatically the file, allowing some extra options16:50
hrwktibi: I think that it can be "deploy ceph using ceph-ansible, deploy openstack using kolla-ansible" or "deploy ceph+openstack using kolla-ansible which calls ceph-ansible to do ceph part"16:50
inc0also, don't tell me Anthem will run on Kolla mchlumsky ;)16:51
egonzalezSomething like kolla image install macro16:51
pbourkehrw: yeah, I haven't thought hugely about how we'd integrate the two projects so thoughts here are appreciated16:51
pbourkeinc0: lol16:51
hrwpbourke: I think that first step would be first method and then doing second way16:52
inc0correction, anthem is EA16:52
inc0soo...assasins creed?;)16:52
pbourkei'll be ok with a free copy of origins16:52
ktibihrw yes I think all options are good. But the configuration of pools or anythink about openstack need to be in kolla no ?16:52
inc0anyway, I think config issue should be discussed on PTG16:53
hrwktibi: no idea how ceph is deployed. my biggest setup is all-in-one+compute16:53
mchlumskypbourke, the best part about overriding wsgi-keystone.conf (for me) was that I could override it with a slightly modified jina2 template and it would still do the rendering. That was awesome! :)16:53
inc0pbourke: would you mind running this session?16:53
pbourkeinc0: sure thing16:53
inc0cool16:53
ktibihrw I use kolla + ceph in production so it's very important to me ^^16:53
hrwktibi: 99% of deployments do probably16:53
pbourkektibi: we'll be sure to have a migration path16:53
pbourkethat is essential16:54
inc0ktibi: look how external ceph is handled today16:54
mgoddard_when do we expect ceph to be removed from kolla?16:54
inc0that's going to be the thing16:54
inc0mgoddard_: we're discussing rocky16:54
mgoddard_is it deprecated?16:54
inc0but that's only if we manage to implement robush upgrade path16:54
mchlumskyinc0, I can't discuss such things... but I'm here so....16:55
inc0haha, no worries, I'll keep that in mind when playing next game;)16:55
inc0(number of cool use cases for kolla grows!)16:55
mchlumsky:)16:55
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ktibiinc0, yep I waited production ready for ceph-ansible for use it. Now I think I'll maybe use a external ceph (external but on compute :p)16:55
inc0ktibi: external only means "not deployed by us"16:56
pbourkeso we should be clear about this deprecation16:56
inc0yes, release note and warning16:56
pbourkethere will be a full cycle of deprecation16:56
inc0at least one full cycle16:56
pbourkeand it prob should not be done if a lot of community members have reservations16:57
ktibiinc0, yes it's why I say on compute ^^16:57
pbourkeso I'll make sure to circulate this review widely for feedback16:57
pbourkemaybe should have a spec, dunno16:57
inc0well after Boston PTG I think everyone was kinda on board that we need to be careful but should do it16:57
inc0pbourke: review it on PTG16:57
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hrwpbourke: spec sounds good16:58
inc0allright, we're at the end of meeting16:58
inc0have a great day/evening everyone and remember to vote for PTL if you haven't done so16:58
yankcrimethanks all! o/16:59
inc0#endmeeting kolla16:59
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gkadam_pbourke, egonzalez , hrw , inc0, paken, mchlumsky   nice meeting you all! :)16:59
inc0likewise gkadam_, welcome to community16:59
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pakennice meeting you all, talk to you in the openstack-kolla channel16:59
pakenand here next week?16:59
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mchlumskyNice meeting everyone. Cheers!17:00
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inc0paken: generally yes but we'll have break for ptg at some point17:00
pakenok17:00
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