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| dmellado | #startmeeting kuryr | 14:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 27 14:03:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dmellado. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 14:03 |
| dmellado | Hi kuryrs ;) | 14:03 |
| dmellado | who's here today for the meeting | 14:03 |
| dmellado | ? | 14:03 |
| irenab | hi | 14:04 |
| leyal | hi | 14:04 |
| dmellado | #chair irenab | 14:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dmellado irenab | 14:04 |
| dmellado | #chair dulek ltomasbo | 14:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dmellado dulek irenab ltomasbo | 14:04 |
| ltomasbo | o/ | 14:04 |
| dulek | o/ | 14:04 |
| dmellado | #topic kuryr-kubernetes | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kuryr-kubernetes (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:05 | |
| yboaron | 0/ | 14:05 |
| dmellado | Hi folks, do you have anything about this topic today? ;) | 14:05 |
| dmellado | also, ltomasbo irenab dulek I'll be having you chair this if you don't mind | 14:05 |
| dmellado | as I'm in another meeting at the same time xD | 14:05 |
| irenab | dmellado: sure | 14:06 |
| ltomasbo | dmellado, I'm also at 2 meetings at the same time :) | 14:06 |
| irenab | lets have an update on current activities? | 14:06 |
| dmellado | ltomasbo: you too?X D | 14:06 |
| irenab | dmellado: you should have days without meetings | 14:06 |
| dmellado | sure, who wants to start | 14:06 |
| dmellado | irenab: I would toally love that | 14:06 |
| ltomasbo | Fridays are more or less like that usually | 14:07 |
| dulek | Okay, I can start. | 14:07 |
| dulek | I'm looking into daemon side VIF choice idea. | 14:07 |
| dulek | Here's more info: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/daemon-pool-port-choice | 14:07 |
| irenab | dulek: the reason is to have less/no work on the controller side? | 14:08 |
| dulek | irenab raised concerns on how this will work with network policies. | 14:08 |
| dulek | irenab: Yes, it's to distribute the work. | 14:08 |
| irenab | dulek: still keeping worker nodes without the need to access neutron API, right? | 14:09 |
| dulek | irenab: That is the plan - all Neutron calls will be done in controller. | 14:09 |
| dulek | And controller->CNI daemon "communication" will happen through KuryrPort objects that are CRDs. | 14:09 |
| irenab | dulek: so the approuch is strongly built on pre created port pools? | 14:09 |
| dulek | 100% based on pools. Is that an issue? | 14:10 |
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| irenab | I am still concerned about the policies stuff, since not sure how it plays with the pools | 14:10 |
| irenab | leyal: any idea on this? | 14:10 |
| dulek | I'm having those concerns as well. | 14:10 |
| dulek | And that's why it's taking me so long time to even come up with consistent design - it's a lot of moving parts to take care of. | 14:11 |
| leyal | I am not sure that i understand exactly what this change means .. | 14:11 |
| irenab | dulek: can you please elaborate a bit | 14:12 |
| irenab | ? | 14:12 |
| dulek | leyal: You're aware how port pools work currently? | 14:12 |
| leyal | dulek , yes | 14:12 |
| dulek | Okay. So now as we have CNI daemon, which is standalone service that run on every node, we can try to shift some work controller is doing to the CNI daemon. | 14:13 |
| dulek | The idea is to leave pool management to controller (shrinking and expanding pools as pods get created or deleted). | 14:13 |
| dulek | And move the choice of VIF from the pool to kuryr-daemon. | 14:14 |
| dulek | So each kuryr-daemon is aware what ports are assigned to its pool by the controller. | 14:14 |
| dulek | And can just choose VIF from the pool in there. | 14:14 |
| irenab | while pool is key-ed by node-project-sg, right? | 14:15 |
| dulek | Oh and annotate them! | 14:15 |
| leyal | so from network-policy prespective - it's mean that the cni should be aware to the SG of POD .. | 14:15 |
| dulek | Hm, not sure here really. | 14:16 |
| leyal | as it's need to know from which pool it's need to take the interface .. | 14:16 |
| dulek | Current pools design doesn't cope too well with updating a SG of the port. | 14:16 |
| ltomasbo | yep, updating sg rules are ok | 14:17 |
| leyal | currently the SG is part of pool-key .. | 14:17 |
| ltomasbo | creating a new one, means a new pool | 14:17 |
| irenab | ltomasbo: but policy can be assigned to existing pod | 14:18 |
| dulek | Mhm. I'm not sure how network policies are supposed to be modeled - by updating the SG of the port or by creating SG (SGs) for each Network Policy that got created? | 14:18 |
| ltomasbo | irenab, but would that mean, changing the sg assigned to it, right? | 14:18 |
| leyal | yes , but pod can be attached to many SG's as it's can be assigned to many policies .. | 14:18 |
| dulek | irenab: Ah. So there's an issue regardless of my previous question. | 14:18 |
| irenab | dulek: please see the proposal: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519239/ | 14:18 |
| irenab | ltomasbo: ^^ | 14:19 |
| ltomasbo | an option could be to not delete the ports whose sgs had changed, but putting then back into a new pool | 14:19 |
| irenab | which will require coordination between controller and node | 14:20 |
| ltomasbo | right now it will not matter if you change the sg of a port, the thing is that when you delete that port, the sg will be reapplied, the initial one | 14:20 |
| yboaron | ltomasbo, I didn't understand ,we"ll have pool per SG ? | 14:20 |
| irenab | dulek: what details will KuryrPort CRD hold? | 14:20 |
| ltomasbo | my mind concern is what to do with the ports on the pool | 14:20 |
| ltomasbo | *main | 14:20 |
| yboaron | but we should support ports that should be attached to multiple SGs | 14:21 |
| ltomasbo | should we leave them, and create new pools? move the ports from a pool to another | 14:21 |
| dulek | irenab: Currently I thought of VIF and nodeName it's assigned to, but this is still being thought out. | 14:21 |
| ltomasbo | the latter will end up in a chunk of calls to neutron, which will kill the performance | 14:21 |
| ltomasbo | yboaron, yes, the key include all the sgs | 14:21 |
| dulek | I think the fundamental issue we need to solve first is to connect current implementation of port-pools and network policies. | 14:22 |
| irenab | dulek: +1 | 14:22 |
| dulek | As it sounds to me that designs are not compatible as-is. | 14:22 |
| ltomasbo | so, if a port is in 2 sgs (sg_1 and sg_2 )will be in a different pool than another port with just have sg_1 or sg_2 | 14:22 |
| dulek | Even without the bp I'm working on. | 14:22 |
| yboaron | but if for example we should bind SG1,SG2, and SG3 to specific port , from which pool it should be allocated ? | 14:22 |
| ltomasbo | dulek +1 | 14:23 |
| irenab | dulek: but preferably before the one you work on | 14:23 |
| dulek | irenab: Totally, I don't want to break everything! | 14:23 |
| leyal | dulek , i think that's ok , as the port-pool use group of SG's as key , and we can still can use it in the network-policy .. | 14:23 |
| ltomasbo | yboaron, there should be a pool with ports that already have sg1, sg2 and sg3 | 14:23 |
| irenab | another issue is that now , with policies we will have SGs that can be changed dynamically | 14:23 |
| ltomasbo | yes, but we need to consider the performance (regardless of using the pools or not) | 14:24 |
| ltomasbo | we definitelly don't want to change the ports at the pool everytime a network-policy change | 14:24 |
| irenab | I think we may need a dedicated discussion on pool/policies concern | 14:25 |
| ltomasbo | perhaps it is about time to implement the TTL that ivc proposed for the port pools | 14:25 |
| dulek | ltomasbo: I'd expect change of network policy to be rather rare. | 14:25 |
| ltomasbo | so that when a network policy is created, a new pool is created for it | 14:25 |
| ltomasbo | and if the previous one is not use, it will progressively delete the unused ports | 14:25 |
| leyal | irenab, do you think that in real-case it's will change Frequently ? | 14:25 |
| ltomasbo | also, what type of changes? | 14:25 |
| irenab | leyal: no, I think it expresses the application connectivity map, so should be quite stable and predefined | 14:26 |
| ltomasbo | if it is adding rules to a sg, there is no problem with that | 14:26 |
| ltomasbo | and if there are just changes to running pods, that is also independent of pools | 14:26 |
| irenab | but still can be changed | 14:26 |
| leyal | ltomasbo , it's not pool per policy as pod can be attached to many policies .. | 14:26 |
| dulek | ltomasbo: Change to pod = change to port, isn't it? | 14:26 |
| ltomasbo | yes, but not to pool | 14:26 |
| ltomasbo | keep in mind that ports that belong to the pools, are the one that are not in use! | 14:27 |
| dulek | ltomasbo: But if SG of a port changes, we need to move it to another pool, aren't we? | 14:27 |
| dulek | ltomasbo: Oh. Nice. | 14:27 |
| ltomasbo | yes, but it will be pretty easy to create a new pool on deletion | 14:27 |
| ltomasbo | right now the policy is that if the sg was changed while attached to the port | 14:27 |
| ltomasbo | we re-apply SG | 14:27 |
| dulek | Okay, I guess me and ltomasbo need to re-review the network policy spec from perspective of pools. | 14:28 |
| ltomasbo | but we can do differently and put it back into a new pool | 14:28 |
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| dulek | ltomasbo: Makes sense. | 14:28 |
| leyal | ltomasbo, you mean where pod is deleted ? | 14:28 |
| irenab | leyal: lets add a chapter in the policy spec on how it is supposed to work with the pools | 14:28 |
| ltomasbo | irenab, leyal: yes, when pod is deleted | 14:29 |
| leyal | ltomasbo, +1 | 14:29 |
| ltomasbo | irenab, leyal: but do the network policy affect anything if there is no pods? | 14:29 |
| irenab | even if policy is already deleted? | 14:29 |
| ltomasbo | I mean, when you create a new network policy, you just create an SG, right? | 14:29 |
| irenab | ltomasbo: correct | 14:30 |
| leyal | ltomasbo, yes | 14:30 |
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| dulek | ltomasbo: Potentially SGs. | 14:30 |
| leyal | irenab, will do | 14:30 |
| ltomasbo | well, 1-M sgs, | 14:30 |
| ltomasbo | but then, you will create a new pod with the new policy | 14:30 |
| ltomasbo | which means that it will need the new SG(s) | 14:30 |
| leyal | dulek, it's a real SG (maybe not attached to any port ) | 14:31 |
| ltomasbo | and the pool will not exist, so kuryr will create 5 (or X) portsto popluate that pool | 14:31 |
| ltomasbo | so, that should work, but we'll need a few extra polishing patch set to not leave a lot of leftovers | 14:32 |
| ltomasbo | like populated pools that we will no longer use | 14:32 |
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| ltomasbo | and put back the modified ports on the new pools instead of the previous one | 14:32 |
| irenab | ltomasbo: it will create one pool or x num of nodes? | 14:32 |
| ltomasbo | no, it just create a pool for a given node/vm | 14:33 |
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| ltomasbo | right now you do not populate ports in all the nodes, only in the ones with existing pods | 14:33 |
| ltomasbo | unless you pre-create them | 14:33 |
| irenab | ok | 14:34 |
| leyal | ltomasbo, agree for the polishing-patch , and return the port to the new pools .. | 14:35 |
| ltomasbo | cool, I'll sync with dulek about the impact of that on the cni side | 14:36 |
| dulek | ltomasbo: Okay! | 14:36 |
| irenab | ok, lets follow up on the relevant patches and irc channel | 14:37 |
| yboaron | leyal, according to your design , every pod ration should end up with adding pod's port to specific SG , right ? | 14:37 |
| dulek | I guess I've used enough meeting time. Thanks for all the ideas! | 14:37 |
| yboaron | creation | 14:37 |
| ltomasbo | xD | 14:37 |
| leyal | yboaron, yes (at least to the default .. ) | 14:37 |
| yboaron | that means that we still need to access neutron even if we'll have pre-created port m with the right SG's | 14:38 |
| irenab | yboaron: unless there are already pool with Policies SGs | 14:39 |
| leyal | yboaron, the por on the pool will be attched to the SG .. | 14:39 |
| leyal | ports* | 14:39 |
| yboaron | leyal, irenab OK got it | 14:40 |
| irenab | shall we move to other updates/topics? | 14:40 |
| dulek | Yup! | 14:41 |
| irenab | dmellado: anything on testing? | 14:41 |
| dmellado | irenab: basically testing the multinode gates | 14:41 |
| dmellado | before pushing patches | 14:41 |
| dmellado | I'm having some issues due to hardware limitations | 14:41 |
| dmellado | but WIP | 14:41 |
| dmellado | will be deploying mroe gates as soon as I get to properly test them as well as patches for the devstack configs | 14:42 |
| dmellado | what I would require, though | 14:42 |
| dmellado | is for volunteers to add more scenario tests | 14:42 |
| dmellado | anyone up for that? :P | 14:42 |
| irenab | dmellado: maybe worth to have some page/etherpad to list future tests, so anyone having free cycle can try to pick one | 14:43 |
| dmellado | those are marked on the blueprint | 14:43 |
| dmellado | hold on | 14:43 |
| dmellado | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/functional-testing-catch-up | 14:43 |
| dmellado | I'll be spending some time with gena to cover some of those but will add a whiteboard with the split to be assigned tests | 14:44 |
| dmellado | + etherpad to comment | 14:44 |
| irenab | dmellado: great, thanks | 14:44 |
| dmellado | #TODO (dmellado): create etherpad for scenario tests | 14:44 |
| irenab | dmellado: ltomasbo : regarding the matrox of different backends with kuryr | 14:45 |
| irenab | matrix | 14:45 |
| dmellado | irenab: did you identify something that we were missing? | 14:45 |
| dmellado | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/enhance-upstream-gates | 14:45 |
| irenab | dmellado: I will check | 14:46 |
| dmellado | irenab: thanks! | 14:46 |
| irenab | #action irenab to check is something is missing at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/enhance-upstream-gates | 14:47 |
| irenab | dmellado: thank you for the update | 14:47 |
| irenab | any other updates/topics? | 14:47 |
| irenab | #topic open discussions | 14:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussions (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:49 | |
| irenab | any non kuryr-kubernetes related topic to discuss? | 14:49 |
| irenab | I just wanted to mention that there is going to be PTG event during the last week of February. as a team we should decide if participate | 14:51 |
| irenab | I guess apuimedo will proceed with this dicussionduring the coming meetings | 14:51 |
| irenab | well, any other topic or shall we close a meeting a bit earlier? | 14:52 |
| irenab | I will count silence as ‘yes ‘to close earlier :-) | 14:53 |
| irenab | thank you all for participation | 14:54 |
| irenab | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 27 14:54:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2017/kuryr.2017-11-27-14.03.html | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2017/kuryr.2017-11-27-14.03.txt | 14:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2017/kuryr.2017-11-27-14.03.log.html | 14:54 |
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| beisner | o/ hi openstack charmers | 17:00 |
| thedac | \o | 17:00 |
| beisner | #startmeeting charms | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 27 17:00:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is beisner. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'charms' | 17:00 |
| beisner | o/ hi again :-) | 17:00 |
| jamespage | o/ | 17:00 |
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| beisner | #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review ACTION points from previous meeting (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:01 | |
| * beisner looks at ODD and EVEN real quick.. | 17:01 | |
| coreycb | o/ | 17:01 |
| beisner | looks like we had an update-the-release-policy thing for jamespage | 17:02 |
| beisner | #link https://docs.openstack.org/charm-guide/latest/charm-release.html | 17:02 |
| beisner | do we have an outstanding item on that? | 17:02 |
| jamespage | yes | 17:02 |
| jamespage | its a bit inconsistent | 17:02 |
| beisner | is there a WIP anywhere yet? | 17:03 |
| jamespage | no no tyet - I;ll do it right now | 17:03 |
| jamespage | its a trivial change | 17:03 |
| beisner | i started to add a release-schedule type section, so that we could work in the freeze/release dates that are upcoming | 17:03 |
| beisner | there is a request for us to publish that somewhere other than irc logs, and thought that would be a good place. thoughts? | 17:03 |
| beisner | basically just for 17.11 and 18.02. then we'd add N+1 as we reach/determine each. | 17:04 |
| thedac | that makes sense | 17:04 |
| jamespage | +1 - a rough schedule of dates would be good | 17:04 |
| beisner | ok, i'll take that item ( release-schedule ) | 17:05 |
| beisner | #action beisner add release schedule info to charm-guide | 17:05 |
| beisner | ok, moving on | 17:06 |
| beisner | #topic State of Development for next Charm Release | 17:06 |
| jamespage | review raised for the 3 monthly bits | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "State of Development for next Charm Release (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:06 | |
| beisner | 17.11 is in feature freeze. we are testing/validating, landing some ch-syncs, and such. | 17:06 |
| beisner | eta for 17.11 stable release is Thu Nov 30. | 17:06 |
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| beisner | thedac: are you working normal schedule that day? | 17:06 |
| beisner | i am | 17:06 |
| thedac | yes | 17:06 |
| beisner | shall we aim for ~10 PST (12 CST) (1800 UTC) ? | 17:08 |
| beisner | +/-, depending on tests, etc., of course. | 17:08 |
| thedac | works for me | 17:09 |
| beisner | happy to take any other input from others in other TZs ... | 17:09 |
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| beisner | ok, let's roll with that. thanks | 17:10 |
| jamespage | +1 | 17:10 |
| beisner | #topic High Priority Bugs | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High Priority Bugs (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:10 | |
| beisner | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-charms/+bugs | 17:11 |
| beisner | #link https://tinyurl.com/osc-critical-bugs | 17:11 |
| beisner | #link http://tinyurl.com/charm-stable-backports | 17:11 |
| beisner | #link https://tinyurl.com/osc-high-priority | 17:11 |
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| jamespage | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-charms/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New&orderby=-importance | 17:11 |
| jamespage | is also useful here | 17:11 |
| beisner | yes thx | 17:11 |
| beisner | ok so all LP crit bugs are fix-committed afaict | 17:12 |
| beisner | except this one, but i'll confirm it and chase it down. i suspect it's resolved. https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-test-infra/+bug/1728843 | 17:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1728843 in OpenStack Charm Test Infra "OSCI test_charm_single failing due to missing keystone package" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ryan Beisner (1chb1n) | 17:12 |
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| beisner | any other bugs to mention / discuss here? | 17:13 |
| beisner | #topic OpenStack Events | 17:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Events (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:14 | |
| beisner | https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 17:14 |
| beisner | "The third Project Teams Gathering (PTG) will be in Dublin, Ireland, the week of Feb 26, 2018" | 17:14 |
| jamespage | have fund | 17:15 |
| beisner | If there are any known schedule conflicts for Europe folks, let's talk about that between now and EOY and make a plan. | 17:15 |
| jamespage | fun rather | 17:15 |
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| jamespage | I'm unable to make most of that week | 17:15 |
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| beisner | ack, we can talk about charms team coverage of ptg out of band. thanks | 17:16 |
| beisner | any other openstack events? ops/local etc? | 17:16 |
| beisner | #topic open discussion | 17:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:17 | |
| beisner | ok cool, pretty quite today. | 17:18 |
| jamespage | yup - nothing from me | 17:19 |
| thedac | I got nothing | 17:19 |
| beisner | i had something but i'm having one of those - 'what was that thing i just thought of' moments. | 17:19 |
| jamespage | new queue has been growing a bit - nice to get a handle on that prior to xmas | 17:19 |
| coreycb | nothing here | 17:19 |
| jamespage | christmas rather - what is xmas? | 17:19 |
| beisner | yes, we need to make a bit of a bug spike after 17.11 release - between that and holidays. | 17:20 |
| beisner | ok, thanks all | 17:20 |
| beisner | #topic Next Chair | 17:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next Chair (Meeting topic: charms)" | 17:20 | |
| beisner | i've got thedac down for next chair. same time and place. | 17:20 |
| thedac | \o/ | 17:21 |
| beisner | you win! | 17:21 |
| beisner | o/ cheers everyone | 17:21 |
| thedac | thanks, beisner | 17:21 |
| jamespage | ta | 17:21 |
| beisner | +2 wks, that is. | 17:21 |
| beisner | yw, thx too | 17:21 |
| beisner | #endmeeting | 17:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:21 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 27 17:21:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2017/charms.2017-11-27-17.00.html | 17:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2017/charms.2017-11-27-17.00.txt | 17:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/charms/2017/charms.2017-11-27-17.00.log.html | 17:21 |
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