Monday, 2017-09-18

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oanson#startmeeting Dragonflow08:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 18 08:01:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oanson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow'08:01
dimakhey08:01
lihiHi08:01
oansonYo08:01
leyalHi08:01
oansonGive me a second to update the wiki, and we can start08:01
oansonAll right08:02
oansonLet's start08:02
oanson#topic Roadmap08:02
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oansonLBaaS - I haven't updated the spec. I'm sifting through the comments. Should be done by EOD08:02
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oansonL3 flavour - I have to go through the PTG recording to see how the wiring should be done. It's possible I'll have to drop by the Neutron channel for more help.08:03
dimakoanson, link to the recording?08:03
oansondimak, sure, one sec08:04
oansonI think this one's it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSHIpkR9Jxg08:05
irenabhey, sorry for being late08:05
oansonirenab, hey, no worries08:05
dimakoanson, thanks08:05
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oansonRPM packaging: I got a little stuck. We use jsonmodels which doesn't have an RPM package. We have to ask that it be added to the repo08:05
oansonETCD publisher: lihi, what's up?08:06
dimakoanson, I think we should open a bug on RH's bugzilla requesting to add it to fedora08:06
lihiNot a lot of updates since last week. I've been sick most of the time :(08:06
oanson:(08:07
oansonHope you feel better now08:07
dimakand if no one picks it up, we can start pushing it ourselves08:07
lihiI am08:07
lihiThanks08:07
oansondimak, sure. Let's take this offline and do it.08:07
dimakoanson, +108:07
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oansonlihi, last week you said that the work was done, but we're waiting on etcd3gw tagging08:08
oansonDoes that mean you can start hacking at the OSA deployment?08:08
lihiYes. But I also wanted to updated the patch with the code without debugs.08:08
lihiYes, already started08:09
oansonSure08:09
oansondimak, upgrade scenario / grenade gate08:09
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oansonI saw you uploaded a patch08:09
oansonI also updated the spec to concentrate on what we're doing now. We'll do rolling upgrades later08:09
oanson#link Upgrade spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500647/08:10
oanson#link Migration mechanism https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401210/08:10
dimakhey, sorry I dropped for a minute08:11
oansonGood to have you back :)08:11
dimakLooks like migration is on topic08:11
oansonYes :)08:11
dimakI'll adapt the spec to the proposed migration mechanism today08:12
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oansonSure08:12
dimakthe code itself should hopefully work, i'll unWIP it once spec reaches consensus08:12
oansonDo we want to discuss the rollback issue? We seem to disagree on the patch08:12
dimakSure08:13
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dimakoanson, got to read my reply?08:13
oansonI think rollback is important. If someone wants to upgrade their database and fails, we should leave the system functioning08:14
oansondimak, just now. In essence this is what I'm suggesting08:14
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oansonEach migration code also has an undo functionality (with needed info stored in memory or in a file)08:14
oansonWe apply, apply, apply ... upon failure we undo in reverse order08:15
oansonSortsa like Command design pattern08:15
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oansonOnce everything is done, we say 'hey presto' and clean up08:15
dimakI understand, but do we need it though?08:15
oansonYes. We can't have an upgrade failure leave the system inoperable.08:16
oansonWe have to at least make an effort to bring things to working order automatically08:16
oansonManual intervention is unavoidable, but we should try to make it not urgent08:16
dimakWe should map out the reasons for error08:17
oansonDefinitely08:17
dimakif for example the database went dead, cleaning up is no use08:17
oansonWe should log as much data as possible for a post-mortem08:17
oansonWe should also prepare for the possibility that the undo fails as well.08:17
dimakI'll bring it up in the spec08:17
dimakIf there's no undo, it can't fail :)08:18
irenaboanson, cannot we trust neutron DB t resync?08:18
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oansonirenab, I don't trust it now :)08:18
oansonBut no, because some of these changes are NB DB schema changes that cannot be synced, since the Neutron DB doesn't know about them08:19
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irenabI will review the spec and leave my comments there, I think some failures can be resolved by full data resync from neutron08:19
oansonSome, not all. Maybe we should allow fatal and non-fatal errors. fatal errors require rollback. non-fatal errors require resync08:20
dimakoanson, any examples for non-neutron state?08:20
oansonLike adding a unique ID to a model.08:20
oansonThe unique ID information is unique to Dragonflow. No Neutron copy.08:21
dimakWe can re-allocate those, provided we flush the datapath08:21
irenabbut it will be generated08:21
oansonThe state has to be aligned between the incremented unique ID field in the unique_id table, and the unique IDs already used.08:21
oansonirenab, someone has to generate it :)08:21
dimakplus, we can store it in neutron if we really want to08:21
oansondimak, do we?08:21
oansonI prefer to have a solution that relies on Neutron as little as possible08:21
dimakIf that'll allow us to avoid undos, it's totally worth it08:22
oansonIt was just one example08:22
dimakWe can put in the effort to eliminate dragonflow only state08:22
irenabworth to add to the spec list of potential failures and handling08:23
oansonirenab, sure08:23
dimakirenab, +108:23
lihi+108:23
oansondimak, I don't think that's achievable. Unless we have a full copy in Neutron08:23
oansonThe whole idea is not to modify Neutron DB alone. Everything we need is in DF DB08:23
oansons/alone/by our selves/08:24
oansonThis also means that if Dragonflow is used without Neutron, upgrade is still an option08:24
dimakOk, lets go into detail in the spec08:25
irenabsure08:26
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oansonSure08:26
oansonThat's all I have for roadmap08:27
oansonAnything you guys want to raise?08:27
leyalabout DHCP-port-per-lswitch -i talked offline with irenab , i will emphasize in the spec - the impact about the neutron data-model ,irenab also advised to ask  mlavalle to review it  - to make sure it's not brake something in neutron.08:27
oansonleyal, sure08:28
oansonleyal, I'll also add the DHCP feature to the agenda, so it won't be forgotten next week08:29
oansonAnything else for roadmap?08:29
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oanson#topic Bugs08:30
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oansonThere08:31
oansonThere's a nice list of High importance bugs08:31
oansonFeel free to pick one at random and solve it :)08:32
dimak:)08:32
leyaloanson , sure08:32
oansonAnything else for bugs?08:32
oansonOne in particular you want to raise?08:33
oanson#topic Open Discussion08:34
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oansonI have a thing to throw around08:34
oansonvPTG08:34
oansonWe need to set a date08:35
oansonOr we can can the whole thing08:35
dimakwhat are our options?08:35
dimakthe holidays are closing in08:35
oansonNone08:35
oansonNext week mlavalle can't make it due to NHO08:35
irenabI cannot either08:36
oansonWeek after irenab is in openstack days08:36
irenabafter 25-28 Sep08:36
dimakwhat if we push it a few weeks08:36
dimakit'll be quite after the beginning of the cycle08:37
lihiI', on holiday 29sep-16oct08:37
oanson17th Oct I'm unavailable08:37
oanson23rd Oct?08:37
irenabsince there are barely working days till Oct 15, maybe we should ahve it after the holidays08:37
irenaboanson, how many days do you suggest?08:38
oanson2-3 days08:38
oansonOne day for design. One day for open discussion08:38
irenaboanson, are you back on Oct 18?08:39
oansonThat's the plan08:39
irenabcan have it Oct 18-1908:39
irenabor week after08:39
oanson18-19 is better08:40
irenab+108:40
oansonPlease vote08:40
dimak+108:40
oanson+108:40
leyal+108:40
dimakwhich timezones?08:40
oansonlihi, ?08:40
oansondimak, China? :)08:41
lihiMaybe we can do in the mailing list, or in some kind of another async communication system. Since we want more people to show up08:41
lihi+108:41
oansonYes. Once we decide on a date, I'll fire a mail to the mailing list08:41
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oansonwith a reminder close to the date08:41
oansonSince most of us are in Israel, I think Israel timezone (or UTC) would work well08:42
lihido it = do the vote08:42
oansonlihi, I don't want to do the vote over the mailinglist08:42
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oansontoo many voters means we'll never find a date08:42
oansonIt was hard enough to find something that works for all the core devs08:43
irenabmaybe we can have sessions during the day and afternoon/evening if people from US timezone want to join08:43
oansonSure08:44
oansonAnd during the morning if people from China/Japan want to join08:44
irenaband should consider recording08:45
oansonDefinitely08:45
oansonI think we have a conference on site that supports that. Will check with local IT08:45
oansons/conference/conference room/08:45
oansonAll right. I'll talk to mlavalle tonight (hopefully), and finalize it tomorrow08:46
oansonAlso have an etherpad for topics08:46
oanson#link Dragonflow Queens etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dragonflow-queens08:47
oansonAnything else for vPTG?08:47
oansonAll right. The floor is for the taking.08:47
oansonCool.08:48
oansonThank you all for coming. Thanks everyone for the hard work08:48
oanson#endmeeting08:48
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apuimedo#startmeeting kuryr14:05
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 18 14:05:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is apuimedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:05
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kuryr'14:05
apuimedoWelcome to Kuryr's weekly IRC meeting14:06
apuimedowho's here today?14:06
zengchen1hi, apuimedo14:06
irenabhi14:06
duleko/14:06
irenabI will have to leave early, sorry in advance14:06
janonymous_o/14:06
janonymous_i guess me too.. sry!14:06
apuimedo#topic general14:07
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apuimedoVTG14:07
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apuimedohow about next Tuesday Wedneday and Thursday?14:08
apuimedoTHe proposed sections are:14:08
irenabapuimedo, I will be at OS days in Europe14:08
apuimedoirenab: I thought that was just Monday14:08
ltomasboo/14:08
irenabTue - London, Thu -Milano ...14:08
irenaband fligts in between ...14:09
apuimedook14:09
apuimedoirenab: and I suppose the following week you'll be on pto14:09
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irenabno, there are 3 working days14:10
irenabI can do Mon, Tue, and partially Wed14:10
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apuimedoirenab: sounds good to me14:10
apuimedodoes it sound well to everybody else?14:10
ltomasbo2-4 oct?14:11
apuimedoOctober 2nd-4th?14:11
ltomasbook, works for me14:11
janonymous_yea!14:11
apuimedozengchen1: dulek?14:11
dulekapuimedo: Okay!14:11
zengchen1apuimedo:do you mean if i can join14:12
apuimedozengchen1: exactly14:13
apuimedowe'd have a session on Fuxi if you want to lead it14:13
zengchen1apuimedo:sorry, i can not make decision now. I will check with my company tommorow, then i will tell you14:14
apuimedook14:14
apuimedoThe topics that I have to propose are14:14
apuimedomulti network14:14
apuimedoscale14:14
irenabapuimedo, shall we open etherpad to list all topics?14:15
apuimedo(scale includes pooling and the cni split, so maybe it needs a longer slot)14:15
apuimedoirenab: that's a good idea14:15
apuimedoscenario testing14:15
apuimedoNetwork policy14:15
apuimedoif limao can come we'd have kuryr-libnetwork14:16
apuimedoif zengchen1 can come we'd have fuxi14:16
zengchen1apuimedo:thanks14:16
irenabapuimedo, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kuryr-queens-vPTG14:16
apuimedocool14:17
janonymous_i created on but forgot the link to that :/14:18
apuimedo#topic fuxi14:18
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janonymous_s/on/one14:18
apuimedozengchen1: the floor is yours14:18
zengchen1apuimedo:ok14:19
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zengchen1the component of provision is almost completed. I have tested it and It works well. so, it will be very appreciated if you give any comments on the patches. if you want to use the block storage in k8s on bare-metal, try to use fuxi-k8s14:19
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apuimedozengchen1: cool14:20
apuimedoI'll review this week then14:20
apuimedo:-)14:20
irenabzengchen1, please post link to patches14:20
apuimedodo you have some PV usage examples?14:20
zengchen1apuimedo:right now, i have not writed any doc on the example, but you can use it like other flex volume plugins.14:21
zengchen1later i will add a doc about it.14:21
* irenab have to leave, will catch up later14:21
zengchen1irenab:the left patches are all regarding to the component of provision.14:22
irenabzengchen1, will review as well14:23
zengchen1irenab:thanks very much.14:23
apuimedothanks zengchen114:24
apuimedo#topic kuryr-kubernetes14:25
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apuimedo#info vikasc and dulek's Containerized support has been merged. It has devstack support too. Kuryr COntroller is a Deployment and Kuryr CNI is a daemonset14:26
dulek:)14:26
ltomasbonice!14:27
ltomasboI'll test it asap!14:27
apuimedo#info dulek fixed the neutron-lbaas haproxy agent local.conf14:27
apuimedosorry for the breakage, that was me14:27
apuimedojanonymous_: dulek will be checking your cni split patches14:28
apuimedoplease communicate about it in #openstack-kuryr14:28
janonymous_apuimedo: great!14:28
dulekapuimedo: Ah, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504374/ just merged, so Octavia job should be fixed. I haven't checked it yet though.14:28
janonymous_sure!14:28
ltomasboalso on lbaas, the support for l2 octavia is waiting on this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501915/14:28
apuimedoltomasbo: good news ltomasbo!14:29
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apuimedo#info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501915/ blocks Kuryr Octavia L2 support14:30
ltomasboas soon as that one works, I'll remove the -W on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499103/14:30
apuimedoperfect!14:31
apuimedoDoes anybody have anything else?14:31
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ltomasboI have the kuryr-manage and port name update patch sets14:33
ltomasbothat we have already commented14:34
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ltomasboso, nothing new, addressing yours and irenab's comments14:34
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apuimedoright14:35
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apuimedo#info ongoing work on port pool management14:35
apuimedo#topic other14:36
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apuimedoDoes anybody have any other topic to bring to the meeting14:36
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apuimedoalright14:39
apuimedoThank you all for joining14:39
apuimedo#endmeeting14:39
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thedac#startmeeting charms17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 18 17:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is thedac. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'charms'17:00
thedacWelcome everyone17:00
thedacAgenda:17:00
thedac#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-charms-weekly-meeting-2017091817:00
thedac#topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting17:00
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wolseno/17:00
tinwoodhi17:00
thedacSince last meeting several weeks ago we don't have any carry over action items.17:01
thedacDoes anyone have any to add?17:01
tinwoodnot me17:02
thedacOk17:02
thedac#topic State of Development for next Charm Release17:02
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thedacWe released 17.08 charms \o/17:02
thedac#link https://docs.openstack.org/charm-guide/latest/1708.html17:02
thedacRelease notes ^^17:02
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wolsen\o/17:02
thedacWe potentially will be releasing a point release 17.10 in Oct to include any artful changes17:03
* beisner moves over here from #openstack-meeting-5 /o\17:03
beisnero/17:03
thedac:)17:03
* tinwood lol17:03
thedacOtherwise, we are at the beginning of our release cycle and just got back from PTG (next topic) full of ideas for the next cycle.17:04
thedacAnything to add on state of development?17:04
thedacOk, moving on17:05
beisneri think we have a few bugs that i'd like to see us tackle with semi high prio, with the idea to backport fixes and/or drop with 17.10 as stable charm updates / point releases / whatever we want to call those.17:05
* thedac waits17:05
thedacsounds good17:05
beisnerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-heat/+bug/171415717:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1714157 in OpenStack heat charm "different encryption key will be generated in each unit" [Low,Confirmed]17:05
beisner^ on that bug - it is triaged low prio, but hearing from the field the workaround isn't sufficient17:06
beisnerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-aodh/+bug/171394417:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1713944 in OpenStack AODH Charm "openstack_https_frontend.conf was created, but a2ensite and a2enmod ssl,proxy were not executed" [High,Confirmed]17:06
beisner^ this is actually/potentially 2 or more bugs that we should assess to address in tandem.17:06
beisnerboth are from field/customers/users17:07
beisnerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/horizon/+bug/148121617:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1481216 in horizon (Ubuntu) "unreadable text color in confirmation dialog with ubuntu theme" [High,Triaged]17:07
beisner^ UI CSS issue.  I'm working on tracking down someone to do the css mods.17:08
coreycbbeisner: happy to poke on that ^ if you want17:08
thedacbeisner: would you like us to select "volunteers" for these now? Anyone avaiable to take any one of these bugs?17:08
beisnerthat's all from me atm.17:08
beisneryes, corey wins horizon css, sounds like :-)17:09
beisnerta coreycb17:09
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coreycbbeisner: yep i'll push on the horizon issue17:09
thedacAny other takers?17:10
thedacI will eventually get to the aodh https one if no one else beats me to it17:10
beisnercoreycb: ack, just cc'd you on mail from earlier.  thx.17:10
coreycbok thx17:10
beisnercan tinwood take the encryption key one?17:11
tinwoodya17:11
beisneryay17:11
thedac\o/17:11
beisnerthanks tinwood17:11
tinwoodAlthough, it's low-ish priority as there is a workaround; unless you want to elevate it.17:11
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tinwoodi.e. should we raise the priority of the bug?17:12
beisnertinwood: have rcvd feedback from field that the workaround is not valid for the production use case needed.  have asked them to chime in on bug.  in the mean time i'll raise prio based on that.  thx.17:12
thedac#topic High Priority Bugs17:13
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tinwoodin that case ... on it.17:13
thedacSo we have kind of just done this topic17:13
thedac#link https://tinyurl.com/osc-critical-bugs17:13
thedac#link https://tinyurl.com/osc-high-priority17:13
thedacAny other bugs that need highlighting?17:13
beisnernot really a bug but just following up on the telemetry stack refresh..17:14
beisnerDoes next/default.yaml in lp:openstack-charm-testing represent the current gnocchi implementation yet?  if not, do we have someone on that?17:15
thedacbeisner: good point, not sure I can answer that.17:15
beisneri'm going to be updating the openstack-telemetry charm store bundle, but need examples.  right now the gnocchi charm's amulet test is the only thing i have to go on.17:15
thedaclet's confirm with jamespage on that17:16
beisnerok, thx17:16
thedac#topic OpenStack Events17:16
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thedacBack from PTG17:16
thedacOur etherpad from those sessions:17:16
thedac#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-queens-charms17:16
thedacAnd the specs for this cycle:17:17
thedac#link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/charm-specs/specs/queens/index.html17:17
thedacSpecs: OpenStack Load Balancer, Ceph migrations, and Service Discovery will be development foci for this cycle17:17
thedacAnything to add from the PTG here?17:18
thedacNext up Sydney OpenStack Summit Nov 6 - 817:19
thedac#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/17:19
thedacWe will have a handful of people attending17:19
thedacAny other events to highlight?17:19
thedac#topic Open Discussion17:20
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thedacAny other topics to discuss?17:20
coreycbthedac: will we meet next week?17:21
thedaccoreycb: this IRC meeting at this time is two weeks out17:21
thedacIs that what you meant?17:21
coreycbthedac: ah perfect. yes b/c many are sprinting next week.17:22
beisnerwe'll be at a sprint/event next week, and the UK folks for the alternate schedule will also be in NYC17:22
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thedacRight the Odd week meeting at 10:00 UTC may not happen17:22
beisnerwe should probably cancel next week now, yah?17:22
thedacDone17:22
thedacI'll make that clear on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-charms-weekly-meeting17:23
coreycbthedac: thanks thedac and thanks for hosting17:23
thedac#topic Next Chair17:23
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thedaccoreycb: you are up in two weeks \o/17:23
coreycbthedac: doh17:23
coreycb:)17:23
thedac#endmeeting17:23
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thedacThanks everyone17:23
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tinwoodthanks thedac17:24
beisnero/ cheers & thanks17:24
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