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ifat_afek#startmeeting vitrage08:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  2 08:00:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)"08:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vitrage'08:00
idan_hefetzhi!08:00
ifat_afekHi :-)08:00
eyalb\o/08:00
idankinHi08:01
yujunzhi08:01
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ifat_afekToday’s agenda:08:04
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ifat_afek•Pike Feature Freeze08:04
ifat_afek•Status and Updates08:04
najjarhi08:04
ifat_afek•Open Discussion08:04
ifat_afek#topic Pike Feature Freeze08:04
*** openstack changes topic to "Pike Feature Freeze (Meeting topic: vitrage)"08:04
ifat_afekLast week I released the following Vitrage deliverables:08:04
ifat_afekvitrage 1.7.008:05
ifat_afekpython-vitrgeclient 1.3.008:05
ifat_afekvitrage-dashboard 1.3.008:05
ifat_afekpython-vitrageclient is frozen for Pike. We are not supposed to have any other releases, unless we find a critical bug.08:05
ifat_afekRegarding vitrage and vitrage-dashboard, we are supposed to create the stable/pike branch by the end of next week, and then use the master branch for Queens development.08:05
ifat_afekI need to push the Vitrage-Mistral integration, and then I believe we should can the branching.08:05
ifat_afekAnyone thinks we should wait for another feature to end?08:05
ifat_afekUntil we create the stable/pike branches, please think twice before approving new changes.08:06
ifat_afekWe should approve only changes that we want to enter Pike, and postpone the rest to Queens.08:06
ifat_afekThe final release date is at the end of August.08:06
ifat_afekAnother issue: we found some major bugs in the latest environment… idan_hefetz and I added them to Launchpad. We need to make an effort to fix them ASAP.08:06
ifat_afek#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/vitrage/pike08:07
ifat_afekQuestions regarding Pike?08:07
yujunzWhat do you mean by latest environment?08:07
ifat_afekWe installed a new devstack and saw these bugs08:08
ifat_afekThere are also a few other bugs, I sent a link only to the ones that I think we must fix for Pike08:08
idan_hefetzyujunz: regarding these bugs, i would appreciate if you can take a look at08:09
idan_hefetz#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/vitrage/+bug/170758608:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1707586 in Vitrage pike "Static data source - edges disappear after a while" [High,New]08:09
yujunzOK08:10
yujunzI'll take this one08:10
idan_hefetzCool. thanks!08:10
ifat_afekI’ll take one of the bugs once I finish with Mistral and python3508:10
ifat_afek#topic Status and Updates08:11
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ifat_afekMy updates:  I’m about to finish the Vitrage-Mistral integration. The code is finished. I’m writing a tempest test and need to add documentation.08:11
ifat_afek#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461265/08:11
ifat_afekIn addition, I’m working on supporting the python-35 Pike goal – this is also in progress. It does not block the Pike branching, but must be done soon08:12
ifat_afek#link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/python35.html08:12
ifat_afek#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48659108:12
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ifat_afekLast thing: I just realized there are PTL elections again… I plan to submit my candidacy today or tomorrow08:13
ifat_afekThat’s it for me08:13
yujunzI have a short update08:14
yujunzPatch for healthcheck submitted, waiting for approval in oslo.middleware08:14
yujunz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+topic:healthcheck+AND+owner:+zhang.yujunz%2540zte.com.cn08:14
yujunzIt is a trivial issue and should not affect other api service in vitrage08:15
yujunzThat's it for me08:15
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ifat_afekThanks!08:15
idan_hefetzMy update08:16
idan_hefetzBummer but parallel-evaluation will not enter pike08:16
idan_hefetzI already have the basic functionality, but still there will be an issue with overlapping templates08:16
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idan_hefetzas the current implementation is an in memory dictionary that is not shared between the process08:17
idan_hefetzBesides that, i will focus on bugs for now08:18
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yujunzWhat is call "overlapping exactly? Any short08:18
yujunzanswer for it?08:18
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ifat_afek#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vitrage/+spec/overlapping-templates-basic-support08:20
ifat_afek#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-overlapping-templates-support-design08:20
idan_hefetzThat is when there are two causes for an action08:20
idan_hefetzso we need to make sure the removal of one of the causes undo the action08:21
idan_hefetz*will not* undo08:21
yujunzGot it. Thanks08:22
idan_hefetzThat it for me08:22
idankinI have a short update as well08:23
idankinCurrently working on updating some features regarding to aodh alarms: event alarm and threshold alarm.08:24
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idankinThe next step is to support other Aodh alarms as well: Gnocchi alarms, combination alarms and composite alarms.08:25
idankinThat's it for me08:25
ifat_afekidankin: out of combination alarm and composite alarm - one of them is deprecated. I don’t remember which one08:25
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ifat_afekBut no need to implement both08:25
ifat_afeksupport08:26
yujunzIs it about aodh as datasource or aodh for raise_alarm ?08:27
idankinit regards to aodh datasource08:29
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eyalbI will update08:30
eyalbfinished the integration of keycloak08:31
eyalbwriting some tests08:31
eyalbthats it08:31
ifat_afekThanks08:31
ifat_afekOne thing I forgot to say regarding Pike - we should add release notes for some features. Like the Keycloak and Mistral08:32
ifat_afekIf you added a featutre in Pike and did not add releaes notes yet, please do it soon08:32
ifat_afekAny other updates?08:32
ifat_afek#topic Open Discussion08:33
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ifat_afekAnother issue for discussion maybe08:33
ifat_afek?08:33
ifat_afekHave a nice day :-)08:35
eyalbbye08:35
yujunzbye08:35
idankinbye08:35
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ifat_afek#endmeeting08:36
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"08:36
openstackMeeting ended Wed Aug  2 08:36:22 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)08:36
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alex_xu#startmeeting nova api13:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  2 13:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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alex_xuwho is here today?13:00
gmann__o/13:00
alex_xulooks like just two of us13:01
gmann__yea :)13:01
alex_xugmann__: I remember we said 4 things need to be done, I think the only left is the doc update13:02
gmann__alex_xu: yes13:02
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gmann__alex_xu: i have patch up for stable-api doc  -https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489926/13:02
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gmann__alex_xu: i will push other one in morning which is WIP on my office system.13:02
alex_xugmann__: thanks13:03
alex_xugmann__: cool, I will review them soon13:03
gmann__alex_xu: thanks13:03
gmann__alex_xu: also please check this, easy one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489641/13:03
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gmann__api microversion redirect13:03
alex_xugmann__: I think we should move those API topic out of 'Architecture Evolution Plans', and into 'Architecture Concepts'13:03
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gmann__alex_xu: at least those are applicable13:04
gmann__alex_xu: i can check those who all can be there13:05
stephenfino/ sorry I'm late13:05
alex_xugmann__: yea, since they aren't plan anymore, we already implement them13:05
stephenfingmann__: Those are doc patches, right?13:05
gmann__yea13:06
gmann__stephenfin: yea13:06
stephenfincool. I'll review those today13:06
stephenfin...once I clear my email backlog, heh13:06
gmann__stephenfin: thanks13:06
alex_xu#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=api13:07
alex_xuthe last thing is we should keep an eye on the bugs, if there is something should be done before the release13:07
gmann__alex_xu: +113:08
* alex_xu plans to go through the list soon13:08
alex_xuthat is all I have13:09
gmann__hope no critical bugs on api side :)13:09
alex_xugmann__: stephenfin anything more you want to bring up?13:09
gmann__alex_xu: nothing from my side.13:09
alex_xugmann__: yea13:09
stephenfinalex_xu: nothing here, nope13:09
alex_xuand no bug need microversion13:09
alex_xuok, we can end the meeting early, and my daughter want to smash my laptop...13:10
gmann__heh :)13:10
alex_xuthanks all !13:10
alex_xu#endmeeting13:10
gmann__alex_xu: thanks13:10
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inc0#startmeeting kolla15:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  2 15:59:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:59
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inc0#topic w00t for Kolla15:59
*** openstack changes topic to "w00t for Kolla (Meeting topic: kolla)"15:59
duonghqwo0t15:59
kfox1111_o/15:59
inc0w00t15:59
duonghqo/ \o \o/15:59
inc0-o-15:59
inc0morning excersise is important16:00
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vhosakotO/16:00
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duonghqseem that we do not have many people here16:00
krtayloro/16:00
vhosakoto/16:00
duonghqhi vhosakot16:00
vhosakothi duonghq :)16:01
rwellumo/16:01
egonzalezwoot o/16:01
coolsvapO/16:01
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krtayloroops, oh yeah, w00t!16:01
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vhosakotwooot! :)16:03
inc0ok, announcements16:03
inc0#topic Announcements16:04
*** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)"16:04
inc0so, I'll run for PTL one more time guys and gals:) I'll submit my candidacy later today16:04
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vhosakotnice inc0 :)16:04
rwellum+116:04
inc0but frankly I think this will be my last one.16:04
vhosakotwill there be a poem in your PTL candidacy inc0? :)16:05
inc0so I'd like to plant idea in your collective heads and encourage thinking of becoming next PTL;) if you decide to try, let me know so I can prep you for what's to come:)16:06
inc0sdake did that and it made transition lot easier for me, it's only fair if I do the same:)16:06
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inc0also vhosakot there will be now. A haiku.16:07
vhosakotlol :)16:07
inc0also, if anyone wants to run for Queens, I also encourage that16:07
inc0ok that's it from me16:08
inc0anyone wants to announce anything?16:08
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vhosakotwe need folks to vote for the kolla Sydney talks please :)16:08
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inc0right, we have quite a list of talks submitted:)16:09
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inc0type in kolla in search box, I was amazed;)16:09
vhosakotright, would be great if the community votes for the talks16:09
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vhosakotyeah there are a bunch about kolla and k8s too16:09
inc0ok, let's get to agenda16:10
inc0#topic Feature freeze and Feature freeze exception.16:10
*** openstack changes topic to "Feature freeze and Feature freeze exception. (Meeting topic: kolla)"16:10
inc0not sure who added this16:10
duonghqit's mine, but it should be your topic, inc016:10
inc0haha16:10
duonghqI see that we have some bp which as essential16:10
duonghqso which one need to go to FFE?16:11
inc0so we were ususally pretty lax with feature freeze16:11
duonghqiirc, we will freeze in next week?16:11
inc0also we still are within 2 weeks from P-3 so our release trailing, the way I interpret it (which mgiht be wrong) also moves real ff16:11
inc0right16:12
duonghqso, do you have any bp or anything that you want to add to ffe?16:12
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inc0let's see what will be merged before ff16:13
inc0and then whoever wants to apply for ffe, lets do this next week16:13
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inc0I don't want to apply for any ff because it's not me ultimately who will have to follow through:)16:14
duonghqwe do not have many bp which in Good progress or Needs Code Review yet16:14
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inc0I think we need to clean up our bps in general16:16
inc0I'll do it16:16
duonghqnice16:16
inc0and let's discuss next week about ffe16:16
inc0also, anyone who works on feature, make sure you have bp submitted and targeted to pike16:16
rwellumI think we need a bp for centralized logging, at least for kolla-k8s.16:17
duonghqhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+spec/ansible-specific-task-become -> this is my fault if it cannot be merged in P16:17
inc0well kolla-k8s doesn't follow stable release policy yet16:17
inc0so feature freeze doesn't apply there16:17
inc0let's not use word fault please16:17
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inc0if only part of it merges, that's ok too16:18
duonghqI should put more attention on it from the beginning16:18
inc0on the other hand, we need to make sure both kolla and kolla-ansible are functional16:19
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inc0not merged features aren't horrible, they'll land in queens16:19
inc0broken upgrades are16:19
duonghqagreed16:19
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inc0#action: inc0 to clean up blueprints16:20
inc0anything else on that topic?16:20
duonghqno16:20
inc0#topic Ansible strategy solutions16:20
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duonghqya, quite short agenda today?16:21
inc0yeah16:21
duonghqFor implement keystone zero-downtime mechanism in Kolla,16:21
duonghqAnsible strategy is the only way atm, but Ansible is licensed as GPLv3.16:21
duonghqAccording to following link:16:21
duonghq#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/legal-discuss/2017-August/000480.html16:21
duonghqwe have 2 options, and I think the option a) is the easist one.16:21
duonghqa) Can kolla-ansible work without it? Or is it essential? If it can work16:22
duonghqwithout the strategy plugin and the strategy plugin just makes some16:22
duonghqthings nicer, then you can put it in a different repo16:22
duonghq(kolla-ansible-nice-strategy-plugin or whatever), have that repo not be16:22
duonghqpart of kolla's official deliverables, and write a document for kolla16:22
duonghqusers as to how they can optionally install and configure the plugin.16:22
duonghqso, basically, we can create external repositogy outside the OpenStack official repository16:22
duonghqand pull needed plugin when user want to zero-downtime upgrade ks16:22
inc0yeah16:22
duonghqhow do you think about this approach?16:22
inc0that being said, having to build whole opensource infra from scratch is pain:/16:23
inc0how about try to submit this ot ansible?16:23
inc0I mean it is generic problem to solve16:23
rwellumduonghq: have you spoken to RH? Especially as they are interacting with Kolla more these days? I saw sdake saying on the email thread that it just comes down to company attorneys.16:24
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duonghqIt's better solution but I don't think we can get it done in short time, and nobody know if we will get other issue again in the feature16:24
duonghqrwellum, no, I only grab mordred idea and put it here16:25
inc0we can do both16:25
duonghqI think his suggestion is ok16:25
inc0submit it somewhere on github and start using it16:25
inc0and try to push it to ansible proper16:25
duonghqsure, it's best way, but I think we need a simple mechanism for load custom plugin16:26
duonghqfrom github16:26
duonghqhow about git submodule?16:26
inc0true16:26
inc0uhh16:26
inc0not sure16:26
inc0if we can pip install plugin that'd solve it16:26
inc0not sure if possible in ansible16:27
rwellumPretty sure that's not supported by RH16:27
duonghqis it possible for kolla? or pip in general?16:27
inc0in ansible16:27
duonghqrwellum, hmm, so I think make it is a option feature is ok16:28
duonghqinc0, given Monty's email in legal ml, do you think we can get keystone zero-downtime upgrade and neutron rolling upgrade bp merge in P?16:29
kfox1111_rwellum: ping me after the meeting to discuss centeralized loging. we have two different aproaches we need to pick from. I've prototyped both.16:29
inc0duonghq: doubt that:/16:29
inc0I mean16:29
inc0no, we can actually16:29
krtaylorTLDR; is the issue big-tent doesn't allow gpl? else what about a new openstack project outside kolla but still in openstack?16:29
inc0krtaylor: I think big tent won't allow gpl16:30
krtaylorI guess that is what Monty was referring to then, ok16:30
inc0however openstack-hosted might work16:30
duonghqinc0,  so I will implement it tomorrow (in my tz), hope that I can get it reviewed soon16:30
duonghqI'll create plugin in my personal repo first, then mechanism for custom module load in kolla-ansible16:31
inc0duonghq: you can always do ansible-playbook --forks 1 :)16:31
kfox1111_probably deserves another email to the legal list.16:31
kfox1111_though I think they have blocked gpl several times now.16:31
duonghqinc0,  what does --forks do?16:31
kfox1111_mostly I think from kolla's request for ansible stuff.16:31
egonzalez90Actually can use serial as a environment variable16:32
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inc0duonghq: it will run only one server at the time over whole playbook16:32
inc0or env16:32
inc0it will make upgrade long, but it'll work16:32
duonghqso, currenty implementation is ok with --forks 1?16:33
egonzalez90https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/blob/master/tools/kolla-ansible#L11816:33
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duonghqthe only major issue is we cannot restart all container at a time16:33
duonghqegonzalez90, is it right?16:33
egonzalez90Yep, using that serial won't restart all at the same time, but may cause issues in other services16:34
egonzalez90cannot remember the details about which services had those issues16:35
inc0nova16:35
inc0;)16:35
duonghqso, we cannot get it done without some special treament (include ansible strategy)?16:36
inc0well, yes16:36
inc0but our upgrade is ususally fast enough (for control nodes) that it doesn't matter that much anyway16:37
duonghqya, painful situation (again)16:37
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inc0one thing to make it a bit smoother would be to manage haproxy and drain api connections for service upgrade time16:37
egonzalez90Implemet serial per task in ansible codebase, something they rejected other times16:37
inc0well strategy plugin might go in16:38
inc0as it's a plugin16:38
duonghqso, get thing in ansible upstream is not so easy16:39
inc0yeah I know:/16:39
duonghqI think the easiest solution is making our plugin and install through pip?16:40
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duonghqand by someway we detect if we have the module and enable it?16:40
inc0if ansible works with that, yes16:41
duonghqif the plugin doesn't exist in the system, we fallback the normal upgrade (with a small downtime)16:41
duonghqif it's exist, we can use the plugin16:42
duonghqI think os16:42
duonghqso the issue is if we can make Ansible plugin install by pip16:42
inc0right16:42
inc0then we create pip package and put it in requirements16:42
duonghqI think make it is kolla's plugin is easier16:43
duonghqj/k16:43
inc0it is easier, but we'd need to get out of openstack and that's harder;)16:44
duonghqI mean we just make it outside openstack16:44
egonzalez90Btw, OSA have a repo in OpenStack for ansible plugins16:44
egonzalez90https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-plugins/tree/master/strategy16:44
inc0  licensed as apache16:45
duonghqdidn't realize it, but ASLv2 is good16:45
inc0might be an issue16:45
inc0well16:45
duonghqbut I'm not sure they do right way16:46
inc0question is if they just miss gplv316:46
inc0https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/devel/lib/ansible/plugins/strategy/linear.py16:46
inc0it's GPL16:47
duonghqyup16:47
inc0I'll talk to them and give them heads up16:48
duonghqokay16:48
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inc0anything else on this topic?16:51
duonghqno16:51
duonghqthat's all16:51
inc0ok, I'll talk with OSA team maybe together we'll figure sth out too16:51
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duonghqthank you16:51
inc0#topic open discussion16:51
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inc0anyone?16:51
jamesbensonany updates on external ceph vs keeping it in docker?16:52
jamesbensonfor pike/queens?16:52
inc0jamesbenson: we will discuss it on ptg16:52
jamesbensonon16:52
jamesbensonk16:52
jamesbensonthat's all for me16:52
inc0ok, I guess we're done:)16:53
inc0thank you all!16:53
inc0#endmeeting kolla16:53
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