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oanson#startmeeting Dragonflow09:01
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openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 22 09:01:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oanson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:02
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)"09:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow'09:02
oansonHello.09:02
oshidoshihola09:02
oansonWho is here for the Dragonflow meeting?09:02
gsagieHello.09:02
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oansonAlready better than last time :)09:02
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yuvalo/09:02
yuli_shello09:02
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oansonLet's wait another minute to see if anyone is late09:03
gsagie\o09:03
oansonAll right09:03
oanson#info oshidoshi gsagie yuli_s oanson in meeting09:04
gsagieyuval is in the meeting as well.. just fyi09:04
gsagie:)09:04
oanson#info yuval is in meeting as well09:04
oansonThank you. I missed him in all the excitement09:04
oanson#topic Newton Roadmap09:04
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gsagieWell... he was hiding..09:05
gsagiehidding09:05
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oshidoshiwho's hiding?09:05
gsagieits Ocata roadmap..09:05
oansonML2 has been merged a while back. I have been testing it, but it isn't going very well.09:05
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oansonOcata is next version, no? Isn't October Newton is for October?09:05
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oansonOcata is next version, no? Isn't October Newton? **09:06
gsagieyes, i thought we arent talking about this version sorry09:06
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gsagieWelcome lihi!!!!09:06
yuvalWelcome09:06
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oansonWe'll do Ocata in the Barcelona summit. We can discuss there what features we want and which directions to take.09:06
oshidoshi:)09:07
oansonSo everyone should be there09:07
oanson#info lihi is also in meeting09:07
oansonWelcome.09:07
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oansonAs I was saying, I have been testing ML2. I couldn't get the fullstack to run. The L3 test + sec groups fail.09:07
oansonWhich is strange, because when I run it with real VMs, it works. So I'm looking into it, unless someone volunteers to take it of my hands09:08
oansonAdditionally, Neutron have added transaction guards on {create,update,delete}_port commands, so our L3 service plugin started throwing exceptions.09:08
oansonThis patch is supposed to be a workaround. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355736/09:09
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oansonI know midonet is having similar issues, so I will see if I can contact the relevant people and learn the correct solution09:09
oshidoshi@oanson, the patch you mentioned is about ML2, not L309:10
oansonoshidoshi, it's the L3 service plugin in ML2.09:10
oansonSo technically, it is both09:10
oshidoshiok09:10
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oansonThe VLAN network plugin is also up. I was trying to test it before merge which is when I ran into some issues. If someone can test it and then +1 the patch, that would help a lot.09:11
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oansonI was hoping DuanKebo would be here and they could maybe take it.09:12
oansonMetadata is in. That's nice.09:12
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oansonI am also working on the packaging, but I am running into strange pip behaviours, so I have a lot of untested ansible code :)09:12
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oansonAnything I left out?09:13
gsagiei saw you merged the DPDK code09:13
oshidoshithere are several merge conflicts, what about those?09:13
gsagieanyone tested it by any chance?09:13
oansonoshidoshi, patch owners have to fix it.09:13
oshidoshioanson: of course they do, this is a reminder09:14
oansonoshidoshi, you out-polited me. I was caught by surprise.09:14
* oshidoshi blushing09:14
oanson#topic Bugs09:15
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yuanwei1Hello~ DuanKebo is not here right now. But I can help about the problem of L3 + secgroup fullstack cases fail. I will try this on my local environment:)09:15
oansonyuanwei1, thank you.09:16
oansonAll right, yuli_s, as our bug master, any word?09:16
yuli_ssec.09:16
yuli_swe need ownership of this bug:09:17
yuli_shttps://bugs.launchpad.net/dragonflow/+bug/161170709:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1611707 in DragonFlow "Changing tunnel type for existing chassis does not work" [High,New]09:17
yuli_sand here related to ml209:17
yuli_shttps://bugs.launchpad.net/dragonflow/+bug/160553509:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1605535 in DragonFlow "auto-topology-allocation doesn't work with ml2" [Medium,New]09:17
yuli_si am working on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/dragonflow/+bug/161535109:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1615351 in DragonFlow "Bug in subnet create command" [High,New] - Assigned to Yuli (stremovsky)09:17
oansonyuli_s, bug 1280522 doesn't have a priority.09:18
openstackbug 1280522 in Blazar "Replace assertEqual(None, *) with assertIsNone in tests" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1280522 - Assigned to zhangguoqing (474751729-o)09:18
yuli_swill fix it09:18
oansonGreat. Thanks.09:19
oansonSo who's taking bug 161170709:19
openstackbug 1611707 in DragonFlow "Changing tunnel type for existing chassis does not work" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161170709:19
oanson?09:19
oansonWhat about 1605535?09:20
oansonGreat.09:20
oansonAny other bug-related stuff?09:20
yuli_snothing for now09:21
oanson#topic Performance09:21
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oansonyuli_s, anything interesting on this front?09:21
yuli_shm, I made few more tests09:21
yuli_sand send the results,09:21
yuli_si was working on setting up a new lab with real dragonflow, but here got a problem to create a network09:22
oansonyuli_s, great. No worries.09:22
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oansonDid you get a chance to see if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355237/ made a difference?09:22
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yuli_si have not tested it09:23
oansonNo worries. I was just curious.09:23
yuli_sok09:23
oansonAnything else here?09:24
oanson#topic Open Issues09:25
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oansonweizj isn't here, but his patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356860/ raised an interesting question.09:25
oansonDo we want to use argparse (or something similar) in df-db?09:25
oansonAre there any recommendations?09:25
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oansonObviously the CLI must remain identical.09:26
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oansonDon't all shout at once.09:27
oansonWell, let's move on.09:27
oansonAnyone wants to raise a question?09:27
oansonThanks for coming.09:28
oanson#endmeeting09:28
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Aug 22 09:28:47 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)09:28
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yuvalbye :)09:28
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SukhdevFolks time for Ironic-neutron meeting16:00
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TheJuliao/16:00
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Sukhdev#startmeetng: Ironic_neutron16:01
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SukhdevOppss16:01
Sukhdev#startmeeting: ironic_neutron16:01
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openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 22 16:01:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
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Sukhdev#topic: Agenda16:02
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Sukhdev#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_August_22.2C_201616:02
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Sukhdevtodays agenda is short and sweet - should be done quick16:02
devanandao/16:02
* devananda lurks from a cafe in NYC16:02
Sukhdevfeel free to add16:02
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Sukhdev#topic: Announcements16:03
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sambettso/16:03
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SukhdevI will be out next week - gone to VmWorld in Las Vegas16:03
mjturek1enjoy!16:03
SukhdevNeed a volunteer to chair the meeting16:03
jrollI could do that16:04
Sukhdevjroll : perfect - thanks16:04
jrollnp16:04
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SukhdevBTW, I will be presenting Bare Metal deployments in multi-tenant data centers in Future:Net next week -16:05
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SukhdevFuture:net is running in parallel to VMWorld16:06
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SukhdevAnybody has any other announcement?16:06
jrollawesome :)16:06
Sukhdevit seems it is a very hot topic - there is another speaker on Bare metals topic as well16:07
mjturek1Sukhdev: any chance it'll be recorded?16:07
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Sukhdevmjturek1 : I have no idea - but, they have sent me instructions as if it will recorded16:08
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mjturek1ahhh, would love to hear it if it does get recorded :)16:08
Sukhdevmjturek1 : http://www.vmware.com/futurenet16:09
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mjturek1very cool - thx16:09
Sukhdevmoving on -16:09
Sukhdevtoday's agenda is short16:09
SukhdevTwo items to cover -16:10
Sukhdev1) PortGroups16:10
Sukhdev2) Security Groups16:10
mjturek1for portgroups - in response to last week's meeting I drafted up this nova patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357222 (WIP because of a failing test case)16:10
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mjturek1would like to know if people think this is sufficient16:10
Sukhdev#link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35722216:11
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sambettsseems like a resonable way to go from a quick scan16:12
jrollmjturek1: I saw that this morning, I think it's okay... checking one thing16:12
mjturek1cool cool16:12
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jrollok yeah, I think that's fine16:12
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jrollthe other thing we could do is just not present resources for it16:13
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jrollwhich might be more confusing for ops, but less annoying for nova users16:13
sambettsas in don't return the ports that have port group ids on the port list?16:13
mjturek1jroll: think it'd be as likely to land?16:13
jroller, sorry, don't present resources for a node with portgroups16:13
jrolle.g. here https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py#L25916:14
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jrollmjturek1: idk, it's an extra api call in a pretty hot path, it's worth the conversation though16:14
sambettsI think we could do in on the Ironic side using the API versions if we hide ports that have port_group_ids from API versions prior to supporting that field right?16:14
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jrollehhhhhh, seems super hacky16:15
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sambettsyeah :/ just throwing it out as an alternative if we didn't want to put that logic in Nova16:16
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sambettsthe fact we're having to bump the API version so nova understands portgroups just enough to say hey I don't understand those, seems to defeat the point of having the API version there16:17
jrollyeah, it's a bit odd16:18
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mjturek1sambetts: yeah it is a bit strange.16:19
sambettsanother alternative is to prevent vif_port_id being set on a port that has a portgroup_id on the Ironic side16:19
sambettsthen Ironic will throw a you can do this error at that point16:19
sambettsor a 400 you should be using my portgroup... error16:20
sambettsthen no version bumb is required, it'll just error at the port.update call16:20
sambettsbump*16:21
sambettsthats ^ less hacking and probably useful anyway16:21
sambettsoutside this scenario16:21
jrollyeah, maybe we leave a comment on that patch?16:22
jrollthat does seem useful16:22
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sambettsleaving a comment now16:23
mjturek1thanks sambetts, I think I understand16:23
jrollsambetts: the portgroups API patch, to be clear :)16:23
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Sukhdevthe other two patches on port groups require reviews as well folks16:24
sambettsjroll: thanks :)16:24
Sukhdev#link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34754916:24
Sukhdev#link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332177/16:24
Sukhdevanything else on port groups?16:25
Sukhdevjroll : BTW, how much time do we have for the cut-off of Neutron release?16:26
jrollSukhdev: Newton?16:26
Sukhdevyes - sorry.... I always mess up neutron newton :-)16:26
jrollI want to cut off portgroups at feature freeze, I think16:27
Sukhdevfingers are so tuned to typing neutron16:27
jrollwhich is the week ending sept 216:27
jrollit's a huge patch16:27
jroll*maybe* a week after that, but idk16:27
jroll#link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html16:27
jrollis the newton schedule16:27
sambettsLooking at the portgroups patches I'm confused by the commit messages, both seem to say they are adding the portgroups API16:28
mjturek1sambetts: sorry, the first patch is just adding the portgroups API controller16:28
mjturek1no interaction with ports or nodes16:29
Sukhdevjroll : thanks - we do have some16:29
Sukhdevtime16:29
mjturek1sambetts: I'll clear up the messages today16:29
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sambettsmjturek1: thanks :) it seems like they need a rebase too16:30
mjturek1will do16:30
jrollSukhdev: this week and next week16:30
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Sukhdevjroll : puts pressure on me to get the security groups patch completed this week - as I am out next week - but, one week is sufficient :-):-)16:31
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Sukhdevanything on port groups?16:32
jrollSukhdev: assuming reviewers aren't insanely busy, it's sufficient16:32
jroll(hint: they are)16:32
Sukhdev:-)16:32
jrollwe have priorities and lots of other things to do, please understand if it doesn't make it16:33
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SukhdevUnderstood16:33
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Sukhdevone the second topic - Security Groups - I finally started to work on it - got delayed because of critical customer delivery16:33
Sukhdevit is my goal to complete it this week16:34
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SukhdevI will be pushing a patch within a day or two for early assessment from you guys16:35
jrollcool16:35
Sukhdevother than that I do not have any other update16:36
Sukhdev#topic: Open Discussion16:36
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SukhdevTwo weeks to the goal line - as jroll mentioned16:37
Sukhdevlets give it a final push16:37
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mjturek1\o/16:37
sambettsSukhdev: inspector plugin documentation is here BTW http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic-inspector/usage.html#plugins16:37
sambettsSukhdev: see the local_link_connection plugin part :)16:38
Sukhdevsambetts : so, I use the ramdisk image created by devstack for my testing - If I modify to pass the lldp parameter - I should be able to test it?16:39
Sukhdev#link: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic-inspector/usage.html#plugins16:40
sambettsSukhdev: you have to modify the inspector DHCP configuration to pass the new kernel parameter, and add local_link_connection to the list of enabled plugins in the inspector config16:40
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sambettsSukhdev: devstack should be using IPA for inspector already16:42
sambettsjust need to enable the LLDP collection16:42
sambettsand the plugin to handle the new data16:43
Sukhdevsambetts : I pulled a fresh install on Friday with devstack - this means I have everything in my setup -16:43
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sambettsawesome then you only need the two changes to the configs and it should work16:44
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Sukhdevsambetts : presently my test script sets up the local_link_information by doing manual inspection of physical connectivity (kind of similar to what LLDP would do)16:45
Sukhdevat the time of node creation16:45
Sukhdevsambetts : ipa-collect-lldp=1 does this go in the ironic config file?16:47
sambettsno, the inspector DHCP configuration file16:47
Sukhdevsambetts : I will ping you off-line to understand it - this will be really quick for me to test it out16:48
Sukhdevsambetts: and will simplify my test scripts16:48
sambettsOk sure :D16:48
Sukhdevanything else16:48
Sukhdevdevananda : enjoy your trip in NYC16:49
devanandaSukhdev: thanks! here for conferences this week16:49
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Sukhdevgood weather to be in NYC16:50
SukhdevIf nothing else - we are done16:50
SukhdevReminder jroll will chair this meeting next week16:50
SukhdevThanks folks16:50
jrollthank you Sukhdev16:50
Sukhdevbye16:50
Sukhdev#endmeeting16:51
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gnuoy#startmeeting charms17:00
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gnuoyHi all, I'll just pause a minute for any straglers17:00
tinwoodHi!17:00
gnuoy\o17:00
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cargonzao/17:01
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gnuoy#topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting17:01
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jamespageo/17:01
gnuoy#subtopic Mascot17:01
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tinwoodjamespage, do you have details on this yet?17:02
gnuoyI don't think it was actually an action but did something happen after the last vote?17:02
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jamespageI emailed Heidi but have not heard back -17:02
gnuoykk17:02
jamespageorangutang was the first choice17:02
jamespagejust chased17:02
gnuoy#subtopic beisner Nominate thedac for charms-release group17:02
gnuoydid that happen?17:02
jamespagegnuoy, no I think we where waiting on your vote?17:02
gnuoyorly17:02
beisnersent to ml, received some +1s there.17:02
thedacthanks, beisner17:03
gnuoyI'll dig it out and +lots17:03
gnuoy#topic State of Development for next Charm Release17:03
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jamespagegnuoy, added thedac to -release17:03
gnuoyjamespage, thanks17:03
thedacthank you17:03
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wolsenwell earned thedac17:04
tinwoodyay17:04
gnuoyAnyone got anything they'd like to highlight as a feature targetted for 16.10?17:04
beisnerwoot thanks all, welcome thedac  ;-)17:04
jamespageno technically but I want to have a bit of a focus on our dev guide17:04
gnuoydefo17:04
jamespageI'll take an action to include the openstack-on-lxd README as a section17:04
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gnuoy#action jamespage  include the openstack-on-lxd README as a section in dev guide17:05
beisnerprob worth getting nova serial-console feature dev on someone's list17:05
jamespagebeisner, are you still ok to contrib the amulet bits and pieces? I think generally documenting our CI there is OK17:05
jamespagebeisner, ah yes17:05
beisnerjamespage, yes i have an outstanding to-do to update the test section of the charm-guide, still plan to tackle that.17:05
gnuoyThe SDN cookie cutter charms *will* be ready for 16.1017:05
tinwoodonce we know what shape they will be.17:06
gnuoyha! yes17:06
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beisnerorangutan, naturally17:06
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gnuoyok, anyone got anymore...17:06
gnuoy#topic High Priority Bugs17:06
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gnuoyAny horrible bugs worth noting?17:06
* jamespage thinks17:07
gnuoythedac, am I right in thinking there is some rabbit work still needs doing?17:07
thedacglance-simplestreams-sync needs xenial updte17:07
jamespageI had a juju 2.-0 trip hazard17:07
* gnuoy wonders whether to mention mongo17:07
jamespagehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/161560117:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1615601 in juju-core "2.0 beta 14 + openstack: generated hostnames exceed 255 byte limit" [High,Triaged]17:07
thedacgnuoy: possibly more stability testing for rabbit, yes17:07
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jamespagegnuoy, thedac: yeah we need to rip out all of the hosts management changes I made17:07
jamespageI feel I should do that and clean up my own mess17:08
gnuoyjamespage, it reminds me of the ol' directory-too-long back in pyjuju days17:08
wolsenhas anyone tested l3-ha for neutron gateway in the recent past?17:08
jamespageoh for sockets17:08
jamespageyah lol17:08
thedac:)17:08
beisnerglance-simplestreams-sync is worth a separate and more detailed convo imho.  when we last discussed i/p, we thought it might be good to deprecate it and add actions to the glance charm.17:08
gnuoywolsen, yes, it's part of our release testibng17:08
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thedacbeisner: actions are an interesting idea17:08
wolsengnuoy: great17:08
gnuoybeisner, yes, that was where we left it17:09
jamespagebeisner, agreed - we need todo that this week or it will not happen - I'll schedule a slot and we can discuss in #openstack-cahrms17:09
beisneras g-s-s-s-s-s-s is currently not in ci, i think we should either knock it into shape, or work the necessary bits into the glance charm17:09
jamespagesecond for me17:09
gnuoywolsen, I spoke to thedac and we're going to dig at it too17:09
jamespagegnuoy, can you action me to organize a follow up for that pls?17:09
beisnercool17:09
wolsengnuoy, stellar17:09
jamespage(g-ss-s)17:09
* jamespage waves a bbaqar17:09
jamespagewelcome!17:10
gnuoy#action jamespage Discuss future of g-ss-s charm17:10
wolsengnuoy: I'd be more than happy to help as I'd like to understand if I did something wrong17:10
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gnuoywolsen, sur, will keep you updated17:10
bbaqarjamespage: thanks :)17:10
gnuoyok, moving on....17:10
gnuoy#topic requirements files in charms17:10
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gnuoySo, there was some talk of doing a global requirements thingy, is that right?17:11
beisnerhi.  so osci is currently tripping over a dep of a dep of a dep of a req in charm-tools17:11
beisnerhttps://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues/24617:11
beisnerwhich is fix-committed in charm-tools master, but will not resolve our issue until/if charm-tools cuts a new pypi release17:11
beisnerthat underlying issue is solvable in another way though, which is to require setuptools version == that of xenial17:12
tinwoodif it's in a venv, why's it failing?  is it using system packages?17:12
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beisnerno, it's setuptools 2.2 in a venv on trusty vs setuptools 25.2.0 in venvs on xenial.17:13
jamespagebeisner, is this just effecting UOSCI testing? is OpenStack verification ok?17:13
beisnerif we use the later setuptools, problem solved.17:13
beisnerjamespage, openstack verification is ok, as they're now building venvs on xenial hosts.17:13
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tinwoodI think it is using site-packages.  However, it may need to.17:14
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beisneron the topic of xenial, we will need jenkins-slave to overcome this https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/jenkins-slave/+bug/154338017:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1543380 in jenkins (Ubuntu) "jenkins-slave on Xenial: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket " [Undecided,Confirmed]17:14
beisnerback to the nature of the topic, and my question:17:14
beisnerrequirements.txt and test-requirements.txt across os-charms are not unified17:15
beisnerbut should be imho17:15
beisneri've added links to upstream requirements-update code, which may be usable for this, albeit overkill for what i'd like to do.17:15
beisnerwhich is maintain requirements in our release-tools repo, along with the necessary script to push that into the os charm repos.17:16
gnuoysorry, where have you added those links?17:16
beisneroh sorry, in the etherpad17:16
beisnerhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-charms-weekly-meeting-2016082217:16
gnuoy#link https://github.com/openstack/requirements17:16
gnuoy#link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/requirements/#enforcement-in-projects17:16
beisnerjamespage, without charm-tools passing, we won't get amulet tests because it's bail on first fail in the pipeline17:17
jamespagebeisner, yeah17:17
beisnerso, fact:  charm-tools in a venv on a trusty host now fails by default until pypi pkg is revved up;   qq:  do we pressure there and wait it out, or start modding charm reqs?17:18
jamespagebeisner, hmm17:18
beisnerit does bring the desire to have global reqs swiftly to the front burner, if that's the direction we want to go.17:19
jamespagemy main problem is that even if we go for an approach that means we have consistent requirements.txt and test-requirements.txt we can still get hit by transient dependency issues17:19
beisneryeah, in this case the dependency chain looks like:  cryptography->secretstorage->keyring->launchpadlib->charm-tools17:19
jamespageI think its a step forward, but we should probably follow our peer projects and start to use pip constraints to pin/fix versions as required17:19
beisnerwhere the breakage was at charm-tools, but on a launchpadlib dep, when secretstorage revved up.17:20
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beisneri'm not sure anything can solve that17:20
jamespagethe constraints are sourced from upper-constraints.txt in global-requirements - if we take that approach, then we can fix a transient break in a central way, rather than having to raise 30 reviews17:20
beisneryes that is good17:21
gnuoyok, I think we're agreed on the central requirements approach17:21
jamespageagreed +117:21
beisnerbut if you take this breakage, we would have to pin 4 layers deepo17:21
beisnerdeep, even17:21
gnuoybeisner, but in one place17:21
tinwoodI'm not sure I understand it.17:21
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jamespagebeisner, we can generate a constraints file17:21
beisnercryptography->secretstorage->keyring->launchpadlib->charm-tools17:21
jamespagebased on a known good baseline, and then refresh and re-test on a regular basis17:22
beisner^ secretstorage revved up, breaking charm-tools.  we already pin charm-tools.17:22
jamespagebeisner, I think constraints covers everything in the venv17:22
jamespagehttps://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/upper-constraints.txt17:22
jamespagenot just the expressed dependencies in requirements.txt17:23
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beisnerright, i don't disagree there at all.  ok, so who's going to take that on?17:23
beisnerseems like a non-trivial undertaking17:23
jamespageI don't think its that bad17:24
jamespagewe have a good template to copy imho17:24
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jamespageI know everyone is super busy17:24
beisneri would like to get there (use openstack/requirements as a model).  i would also like to unblock your gate tactically.17:24
jamespagebeisner, quickest way to gate being unblocked is to release charm-tools right?17:25
beisneryes17:25
jamespagelemme go kick the tyres there then17:25
beisnerfyi, queried in #juju first thing this am17:25
beisnerworth a re-ping17:25
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jamespagebeisner, ok17:26
gnuoyok, so publish fixed charm-tools RSN and global requirements soon too17:26
jamespagegnuoy, agreed17:26
gnuoykk17:26
gnuoy#topic Barcelona Design Summit: Fishbowls, Workrooms and Contributor meetups.17:26
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gnuoyjamespage, your topic I believe17:26
jamespageoh yeah - so  we need to decide on what to request for the design summit in terms of slots etc...17:27
gnuoyjamespage, whats the deadline?17:27
jamespage31st17:27
gnuoyack17:27
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jamespagefishbowls are fixed advertised content - I was going to suggest17:27
jamespage1) retry of 16.07 and 16.10 charm releases - identify pain points and potential ways forward17:27
jamespageretro17:27
jamespage2) 16.10 planning and high level objective setting17:28
jamespageand then request a workroom for an afternoon (3 slots)17:28
jamespagewith a contributor meeting on the friday pm if we can get one17:28
jamespagedoes that sound ok?17:28
gnuoysounds good to me17:28
thedacsounds good17:29
tinwoodSounds excellent.17:29
jamespageokwill request tommorow17:29
gnuoy#action jamespage request  Barcelona Design Summit slots17:29
gnuoywe're pretty much out of time17:29
gnuoyanyone got anything else burning?17:30
thedacno17:30
tinwoodnope17:30
jamespageno17:30
gnuoysame time, same place in 2 weeks then17:30
gnuoy#endmeeting17:30
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jamespageta17:30
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jamespagettfn17:30
tinwoodthanks gnuoy17:30
thedacthanks, gnuoy17:30
beisnerfyi, charm-tools pypi release eminent i am told :-)17:30
beisnerthanks all17:30
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