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nikhilCourtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k13:58
jokke_Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k13:58
jokke_Courtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting13:59
nikhilCourtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting13:59
jokke_Courtesy meeting reminder: dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat13:59
nikhilCourtesy meeting reminder: dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat13:59
nikhiljokke_: :P13:59
nikhil#startmeeting glance13:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 31 13:59:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:59
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nikhil#chair jokke_13:59
openstackCurrent chairs: jokke_ nikhil13:59
jokke_woops13:59
nikhil#topic roll call13:59
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jokke_o/13:59
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nikhiljokke_: so you want to/had something to lead meeting today?14:00
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wxyo/14:00
nikhilmay be I am out of sync there, flavio said he will be out and ask me to conduct this one14:00
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jokke_nikhil: flaper87 is travelling and just asked if I would run it through ... feel free though14:00
mfedosino/14:01
rosmaitao/14:01
nikhiljokke_: ah, he's keeping back ups14:01
jokke_oh so it was Flavio who was out of synk ;)14:01
dshakhray0/14:01
tjcocozzo/14:01
jokke_s/k/c14:01
nikhilMitaka is almost over14:01
jokke_nikhil: go for it14:01
nikhilwe've the new rc214:01
jokke_yes, translations only14:01
nikhilbut it's i18n so, prolly nothing significant to come out of it14:01
nikhil:)14:01
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kairato/14:02
nikhilguess we've a good turn out today14:02
nikhillet's get started then14:02
nikhil#topic agenda14:02
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nikhil#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda14:02
nikhilJust wanted to quickly sync over a few items and start preparing for the summit14:02
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nikhilwe've mostly bootstrapping newton at this point14:02
nikhilthat's what we will discuss today14:02
hemanthmo/14:02
jokke_by the looks of Mitaka is wrapped and ready for shipping14:03
nikhil#topic Glare updates ( mfedosin )14:03
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nikhiljokke_: yeah!14:03
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mfedosinhey! we continue the developing of Glare14:03
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mfedosina lot of new features were added last week14:04
mfedosinand now we have functional tests that checks that everything is fine14:04
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mfedosinalso there was defcore meeting yesterday14:04
mfedosinand we were talking Glare14:04
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mfedosinso, afaiu, they have no concerns about Glare14:05
rosmaitawhat review strategy should we be following on these? i've been ignoring the WIP patches, maybe that is a mistake14:05
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nikhilrosmaita: good question14:05
mfedosinrosmaita: no, you're right14:05
nikhilwe need to decide on this asap14:05
mfedosincurrently we just develop the base code14:06
mfedosinand it's easy for us to have it in one big commit14:06
jokke_About that. I got couple of pings last night asking wtf is going on. Could we please stop selling Glare as replacement for Glance at least until we have a) stable API and b) some level of track record/testing that it actually is successfully working14:06
mfedosincalled Glare All-in-one14:06
jokke_^^ ref defcore meeting14:07
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mfedosinthen we implement new features with [WIP] prefix and merge them in the big commit14:07
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kairatjokke_, at the current stage that seems more PoC to me14:08
mfedosinjokke_: selling it as a glance replacement creates a hype around Glare :)14:08
nikhiljokke_: interesting, that was more of a question rather than a sell. I think those defcore folks are not accurate on their assumptions. I'd love to clarify them.14:08
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jokke_mfedosin: and causes hell of a lot confusion in the community where we have already really bad reputation (warranted or not)14:08
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tjcocozzlink for the all-in-one patch -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292327/14:09
mfedosinthanks tjcocozz :)14:09
nikhilover Mitaka, I found out the bad reputation is only within small pockets  and we need to identify those pockets and clear those confusions14:09
jokke_mfedosin: I'm not picking fight at this point and I do understand that some level of hype is needed to get the traction to Glare, but we can't do it this way14:09
kairat+1 to nikhil14:09
mclarenIt would be useful to have clarity on the relationship between the two. Maybe some documentation in one of the Glare patches?14:10
nikhiland I agree with jokke_ that we'd live on realistic practices and avoid confusing hypes14:10
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mfedosinmclaren: there will be a spec14:11
mclarenOk, cool. Whatever gets us on the same page.14:11
jokke_and misunderstandings around defcore was the root cause for last huge incident we were sorting through multiple sessions last Summit14:11
rosmaitai think it would be good to get something about "the future" into the regular docs14:12
jokke_rosmaita: ++14:12
nikhilrosmaita: sounds good14:12
nikhil#action nikhil: clarify "the future" stuff for Glance14:13
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rosmaitai can put up a patch with a lot of handwaving, and you can correct it14:13
nikhilsure14:13
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nikhilanything else on this topic?14:13
nikhilrosmaita: whatever gets us going14:14
nikhilmoving on14:14
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nikhil#topic Nova v1, v214:14
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nikhilI'd a quick catch up with Nova team on the status of this (earlier in the week)14:14
nikhilWe've a few action items for Newton14:14
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nikhilNeed to create a newton spec, clarify the individual reviews to ensure they correct the eventual goal14:15
nikhilbasically Nova team thinks that some reviews need more context on why they exist14:15
nikhilMatt has tentatively scheduled a cross session with Glance14:16
nikhilWe will know if it makes it or not in their final proposal14:16
mfedosinI'll take the spec14:16
mfedosinbut one thing I really like14:16
jokke_good news is that he also publicly put this on the Nova Newton priorities ;)14:16
nikhilmfedosin: thanks14:17
mfedosinthey agreed to keep this code in Nova14:17
jokke_mfedosin: ++14:17
mfedosinwithout compat layer14:17
nikhilyes, for this cycle it will be a small concise change14:17
jokke_mfedosin: that sounds great14:17
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jokke_makes sense14:17
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nikhilmost of what mfedosin has already done14:17
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mfedosinall patches are there14:17
nikhilthere are a few testing improvements that we may have to do14:17
nikhilbut testing impr. is a research item14:18
nikhilvolunteers are welcome14:18
mfedosinI just need to address rosmaita concern about lowering headers14:18
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nikhilany questions?14:19
nikhilmoving on14:19
nikhil#topic Cross project updates14:19
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nikhilThe etherpad for session proposals is up14:19
nikhil#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cross-project-sessions14:19
nikhilquite a few sessions up there already14:20
nikhilbesides that14:20
nikhilthere was a meeting yesterday14:20
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nikhilMost of what was discussed was a follow up on the CP specs so that people are aware of them14:21
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nikhilthere was update from release team on the automating their process14:21
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nikhil a heads up + call for reviews on quotas and service catalog tng14:22
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nikhilmoreover, you can find a gist of CP updates in our community newsletter14:22
jokke_ref that release process update14:23
nikhilnothing significant, that the glance team need to look into this or next week14:23
nikhiljokke_: please go ahead14:23
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jokke_that mainly affects non-managed release mode projects, so really does not affect us14:23
jokke_we keep requesting the tags as usual :)14:23
nikhiltotally14:24
nikhilthose release changes shouldn't affect glance14:25
jokke_just that if anyone is thinking of taking up that liaison post, it's quite straight forward ;)14:25
nikhilif you work on other projects too and see anomalies in the process, then that update is for you14:25
nikhiljokke_: ah ha14:25
nikhilgood call14:25
nikhil#info all: glance team is looking for release liaison14:26
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nikhil#topic     Releases14:26
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nikhilI'd switched topic before :)14:26
nikhilnevertheless, summer is coming14:26
nikhiland if you're making early holiday plans14:27
nikhilthe schedule is conveniently available to you14:27
nikhil#link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html14:27
nikhil#info glance team would love to have cores available a week before and on the week of releases14:27
jokke_#info Glance RC2 tagged. Diff RC1..RC2 translations14:28
nikhilI'd a question yesterday on backports14:28
jokke_#info glance_store & python-glanceclient has not had anything major during the freeze14:28
kairat glance_store has14:28
nikhilif you're looking to propose changes to stable branches, it should follow stable guidelines14:29
kairatI think14:29
kairathttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/297665/14:29
nikhil#link http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html14:29
nikhilkairat: that looks possible from first glance14:30
jokke_kairat: let me refrase, has not merged anything that would need to be released for Mitaka14:30
kairatah, ok14:30
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nikhilfor backports, please propose change against master first and then based on reviews we will move for likely backport14:31
jokke_#info glance_store & python-glanceclient has not merged anything to be included in Mitaka for release time14:31
jokke_#link http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html14:31
mclarenkairat's fix looks important14:32
jokke_nikhil: and on top of that: Please make sure that there is bug for it. We will not backport without and doing that after merge to master is pain14:32
mclarenhow do we handle glance_store fixes coming up to release?14:33
nikhiljokke_: okies.. bug first it is!14:33
jokke_:)14:33
jokke_makes life easier14:33
nikhilmclaren: can you elaborate?14:33
mclarensure14:33
mclareneg do we tag RCX-candidate or anything?14:34
nikhilah14:34
jokke_mclaren: with both glance_store and python-glanceclient we do not follow any stable release schedule so we can backport and release as needed, new deployments should pick those up within the requirements14:34
nikhilwe now follow SemVer for clients and non-client libs14:34
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mclarenIt looks like if you upgrade to mitaka you could  get hit by bug 297665. So ideally we'd have a release of glance_store to prevent that?14:35
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nikhilyes14:35
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nikhilwe will have a separate release candidate for mitaka14:35
jokke_mclaren: so no RCs, the releases we did that was base for the stable/mitaka brnaching is effectively our stable/mitaka release from those libs. then we just make patch releases as needed from that point onwards14:36
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jokke_mclaren: this was done ~3-4 weeks ago14:36
mclarenI understand that in principle they are separated.14:36
mclarenI'm just saying that we should do what we can to avoid people hitting 297665 when they deploy mitaka.14:37
nikhilmclaren: yes and for that they will be expected to deploy stable mitaka14:37
nikhilfor eg. iirc, we'd a 0.10.x released for mitaka14:37
jokke_mclaren: the one thing I like having glance_store as separate from glance service is the ease of releasing when we have something we want to have fixed in production14:37
nikhilthe fixes will go to 0.10.x+114:37
nikhiland for newton it will be 0.11.x series14:37
jokke_nikhil: correct14:38
nikhilthe requirements are then updated to reflect the bug fix in stable/mitaka14:38
nikhiljokke_: thanks for confirming!14:38
mclarenI don't see why releasing a glance_store fix is easier than releasing a glance stable fix?14:39
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nikhilit is somewhat easier14:39
nikhilI mean, you can debate on this but..14:40
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nikhilbecause you can now control the fix through requirements14:40
jokke_mclaren: mainly due to the appearance :)14:40
nikhilyou've a better visibility on what's fixed and what's not14:40
nikhilyou can switch the fix back if you need to by a simple requirement contraint change14:40
nikhilconstraint*14:41
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nikhilglance_store release documentation will also have the info for it (ideally)14:41
jokke_btw, sorry to interrupt, but we probably should move one and take this offline with interested parties14:42
jokke_running out of time14:42
nikhilwe're running out of time, but if you've more concerns we can wait a couple more mins14:42
nikhilok, offline then. moving on for now.14:42
nikhil#topic  Use policy files to control deletion of deactivated images. (bunting)14:43
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buntingMe14:43
nikhil#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256381/14:43
nikhilbunting: go go go :D14:43
buntingIt was suggested to bring this to the attention of the group to use policy files rather than the config options as a potential pattern to use in future patches14:44
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nikhilsure14:44
buntingMore of an info topic then anything that needs discussing14:45
nikhilI see the comments on PS5 and they make sense14:45
nikhilalrite then14:45
jokke_regardless how it might be controlled, I'd like to see spec (at least lite unless this discussion is getting complex) as the proposed is directly against what the original deactivate/activate spec is specifying as behavior14:45
nikhil#info please help review Halt deletion if image is deactivated patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256381/14:46
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nikhilthanks for bring this bunting!14:46
nikhilmoving on14:46
mclarendo we really need a spec for a 45 line change?14:46
nikhilheh14:47
mclaren40 lines are tests btw14:47
nikhilwell, let's discuss the approach on the review14:47
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nikhilif it changes the API behavior we may need a (lite)spec14:47
nikhilif it's just policies, I think we'd be fine14:47
mclarenwe have an APIchange commit tag14:48
nikhilbut we definitely need the latest documented behavior on deactivation14:48
nikhilso we need to update history on the older spec14:48
nikhilmake sense?14:48
kairat++ to mclaren14:48
jokke_mclaren: I don't think the amount of code is the driving reson for specs, as said we have spec that specifies the current behavior. Just want to have it documented in the same place why we changed it so that in Ocata there is no bug removing these things as they are bug against the spec it should behave14:48
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nikhiljokke_: very well put14:49
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jokke_s/spec it/spec how it/14:49
nikhilmotto being: let's avoid back and forth discussions and changes and keep the code sensible for operators14:49
nikhilmoving on14:50
nikhil#topic     Glance priorities for Newton14:50
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nikhil#link     https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-newton-priorities14:50
nikhilI've added a few items14:50
nikhiletherpad was created by Flavio (last week I think)14:50
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nikhilwe'd use it at the contri meetup14:51
nikhil(at the summit)14:51
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nikhilthis was a info update14:51
nikhilmoving on14:51
nikhil#topic     CP summit sessions14:51
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nikhilwe need volunteers to be present at the _different_ CP sessions14:52
nikhilI'd like to co-ordinate with the team so that we cover the breadth14:52
nikhil#action nikhil: create etherpad to gather info regarding CP sessions interest from glance team14:53
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nikhilmoving on14:53
nikhil#topic     Glance mid cycle14:53
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nikhilI got a first confirmation regarding the midcycle to happen in Boston14:53
nikhilit will be from June 8-1014:53
mfedosinwhy so early?14:54
nikhillet me know by Tuesday next week if you've any concerns14:54
nikhilotherwise that will be the final plan14:54
nikhilit's right after m114:54
jokke_it's overlapping with OpenStack Day Ireland14:54
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nikhiland we'd have the spec freezer around m214:54
jokke_which is at 10th14:54
nikhiljokke_: so would people prefer Mon-Wed instead?14:54
mclarenI saw a mail, but was there some discussion on the venue at all?14:55
nikhilmclaren: I'm trying to move fast this time14:55
nikhilas I want to discuss import work14:55
nikhilat the mid cycle too14:55
nikhilBoston is almost at the midpoint for14:55
nikhilwest coast and EU zone14:55
jokke_Honestly don't take my comments too heavy in. Just wanted to point that out. I'm unlikely to participate anyways14:55
nikhilI'd love to have mclaren sabari rosmaita to the very least at the venue14:56
nikhilmake sense?14:56
nikhilfeel free to give me your suggestions14:56
mclarenI was going to blow people's minds and suggest a non-US venue for a change (we've hosted a couple of mid-cycles here in Galway for example)14:56
nikhilthis is WIP right now, nothing final no commitments made yet14:56
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* rosmaita mind is blown14:56
* nikhil too14:57
mclarenlol, too easy14:57
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mclarenanyway, wanted to throw that out there rather than put a spanner in the works14:57
nikhilabsolutely14:57
jokke_if it's Galway, I might be more likely preset (in the case I will be let into the building) :P14:57
mfedosinmclaren: +1 for Galway - you have good beer14:57
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rosmaita+114:57
jokke_++14:57
nikhiland thanks for proposing (assuming: and willing to sponsor :D)14:57
rosmaitaquick poll: likely to get more attendance in galway vs. boston?14:58
jokke_iirc flaper might be here around that time as well ;)14:58
nikhilbtw, 2 mins14:58
nikhilreply to that thread14:58
nikhilI want to know who can and can't make it there14:58
mclarenI'd probably be able to make both I think14:59
rosmaitaok, will check with my manager this afternoon14:59
rosmaitai really want to go to galway14:59
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jokke_1min!14:59
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jokke_;)14:59
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mfedosinGalway!14:59
mclarenwe have outdoor and indoor activities :-)14:59
nikhilwe can discuss summit topics next meeting14:59
jokke_lets get the Galway option to the mailchain14:59
mclarenhttp://blog.petercmurphy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/DSC_1928.jpg  http://dd73muqoroywk.cloudfront.net/images/detailed/5/G6046.jpg?t=142804208914:59
rosmaitaand on the etherpad .... please record your interest, everyone15:00
jokke_and/or ML15:00
nikhilI will have another theard around virtual meetup before summit15:00
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rosmaitaetherpad for design topics, i mean15:00
nikhiljokke_: only if there won't be delay15:00
jokke_Thanks all!15:00
nikhilotherwise I'm going with what's planned15:00
jokke_we're out of time15:00
nikhilThanks all for joining!15:00
nikhil#endmeeting15:00
mclarenthanks15:00
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TravT#startmeeting openstack search15:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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rosmaitao/15:01
TravTo/15:01
yingjunp/15:01
RickA-HPo/15:01
yingjuno/15:01
sjmc7morning15:01
lei-zho/15:01
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TravThow is everybody today?15:01
RickA-HPFine, but windblown.15:02
stevelleo/15:02
rosmaitamedium15:02
TravTo/ stevelle15:02
TravTmedium... that seems pretty average15:02
stevellejust listening for the news15:02
yingjunnice day, gonna sleep15:03
TravTAllright, so let's get this going so yingjun can sleep. ;)15:03
TravThttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda15:03
TravT#topic client release15:03
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TravTi was asked to create a searchlight client release so that a stable branch could be done15:03
TravTso, we did that15:04
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TravT0.2.1 https://github.com/openstack/python-searchlightclient/releases15:04
TravTit only included a couple of very minor items15:04
TravTso, we were able to just do the .115:05
TravT#topic mitaka rc215:05
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TravTwe need to get rc2 tagged on the mitaka branch15:05
sjmc7yeah, there are a couple of patches outstanding15:06
TravTyes, they are very close i think15:06
TravThere's what was targetted15:06
TravT    https://launchpad.net/searchlight/+milestone/mitaka-rc215:06
TravThttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/298947/15:07
TravThttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/298315/15:08
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TravThttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/298830/15:08
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TravTlakshmiS_: i just marked the functional tests as released15:09
TravTsince that got through infra yesterday, right?15:09
lakshmiS_Ok15:09
lakshmiS_Yes15:09
sjmc7that first review just needs another +215:09
TravTyes, all of the above should be very quick15:10
sjmc7it’s a pretty straightforward change15:10
lakshmiS_I will take a look15:10
sjmc7the other one is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299733/ which fixes designate15:10
sjmc7which is a bit meatier15:10
TravTyes, lakshmiS_ is that one going to be ready for serious consideration today15:10
sjmc7for bug #155050615:11
openstackbug 1550506 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Designate record deletion using wrong event name" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550506 - Assigned to Lakshmi N Sampath (lakshmi-sampath)15:11
TravTor do we need to bump it15:11
lakshmiS_Yes it is done15:11
sjmc7ok. i can test it this morning15:11
lakshmiS_I am adding functional tests15:11
lakshmiS_It has none to startwith15:11
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sjmc7given it doesn’t have any now i’m not going to make that a requirement to get this in15:12
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TravTok, there was a non-started medium on there, i just bumped it to newton.15:12
sjmc7yeah, we need to finish these off and call it15:13
TravTso please review all of the above. once they land, sjmc7 has been cherry picking to stable/mitaka.15:13
TravTi just bump them on through since they are cherry picks.15:14
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TravTthe only other thing i'd like to do before applying rc2 tag is to run a clean devstack from stable/mitaka just to double check.15:14
TravTso, also on that list is the horizon plugin15:16
TravT#topic horizon plugin15:16
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TravTThis is in pretty good shape.15:16
TravTi've got one review up and one review i'm about to put up.15:16
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TravTi let doug know that i'd be putting out a release request on it shortly... but obviously will need a few eyes on it.15:17
TravTi did want to talk about project tracking for searchlight-ui for a minute15:18
TravTi'd rather than we just track it in the searchlight lauchpad project for now15:18
TravTthere will also be some related changes in horizon that we need during newton.15:18
sjmc7that’s fine with me15:19
TravTbut i think our lives will be easier tracking it in the main searchlight project15:19
TravTi've already opened a few bugs and BPs there.15:19
TravTfor the bugs, i'm tagging them with searchlight-ui15:19
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TravTokay, any objections?15:20
sjmc7nope15:20
RickA-HPSounds good to me.15:20
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TravTok15:21
TravT#topic hypervisor notifications15:21
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TravTrosmaita:15:21
TravTi believe this is your topic15:21
rosmaitayep15:21
rosmaitamy action item was to see what the nova community thought of hypervisor notifications15:21
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rosmaitathey are cool with it, but will require a spec15:22
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TravTgreat!15:22
yingjunFYI, i created a spec in nova: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299807/15:22
rosmaitai can work with yingjun on that if help is needed15:22
rosmaitaalready done then!15:22
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sjmc7:)15:22
yingjunneed to get some review on that:)15:22
rosmaitaok, i will read & comment on spec15:22
TravTi just added myself to that15:23
rosmaitai can push at least one nova core to look, too15:23
sjmc7i can find someone too15:23
yingjunnice15:23
TravT:)15:23
TravTany other discussion needed on this one?15:24
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rosmaitathat's all from me15:24
yingjunnope15:24
TravT#topic notifications15:24
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TravTon a related note15:24
TravTi've started this etherpad15:25
TravThttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/searchlight-notification-checklist15:25
TravTvery rough at the moment15:25
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TravTso, i'm hoping that you all could help us fill it in15:25
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TravTbasically list of resource types15:25
TravTknown data we are missing from notifications15:26
TravTany related bugs and bps15:26
TravTso yingjun, adding the link to your hypervisor spec would be good.15:26
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TravTi know we are tracking things in launchpad, but was trying to find a way to consolidate the info in one place on current status.15:27
TravTetherpad may not be the best formatting tool, but seemed like a good collaboration tool to start with.15:27
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TravTThis leads into the next couple of topics15:31
TravTnewton and summit planning15:31
TravT#topic newton and summit planning15:32
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TravTFor the summit we have 3 slots.15:32
TravT1 fishbowl and 2 working room slots15:32
TravTright now, they are on Thursday and do not appear to overlap with glance or horizon sessions.15:33
rosmaitawow, how did you manage that!15:34
sjmc7who’s gonna be at the summit?15:34
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TravTrosmaita: i sent a message to mike perez requesting no overlap15:35
TravTand he made it happen15:35
TravT#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/searchlight-newton-summit15:35
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rosmaitaamazing what you can accomplish if you contact the correct people15:36
sjmc7last time i think we used the fishbowl to see who from other projects was interested?15:36
sjmc7and to get ideas from potential users15:36
TravTso back to sjmc7's question15:36
TravTanybody here going to be there?15:36
TravT:)15:36
TravTi will be15:36
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sjmc7:)  if not we’ll go play minigolf instead15:37
TravTwe can just advertise free beer or something15:37
david-lyleI'm in15:37
TravTthen shut the doors and lock them15:37
david-lyleoh wait15:37
sjmc7“there is no punch and pie"15:37
TravThehe15:37
TravTo/ david-lyle15:37
david-lyleo/15:38
TravTso i think we have sjmc7, david-lyle, myself.15:38
rosmaitame too15:38
TravTrosmaita: awesome!15:38
rosmaita(was trying to figure out appropriate ascii emoticon, gave up)15:38
TravTyou are bringing the beer right?15:38
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rosmaitasure15:38
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yingjuni might be there:)15:38
TravTyingjun: that'd be great!15:39
TravTlei-zh: any chance you will be there?15:39
rosmaitaor pie ... they allow guns in the venue, not sure about alcohol15:39
lei-zhnope:-(15:39
sjmc7woo!15:39
sjmc7(to pie, not lei)15:39
rosmaita(actually not sure about the guns, either)15:39
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TravTrosmaita don't scare off everybody now!15:39
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TravTlei-zh: that's too bad, i was thinking the notification forwarding would be a good candidate topic.15:40
sjmc7lei-zh: if there are people you work with who are going and it’d be useful for us to talk to, we can do that too15:40
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lei-zhI think yuntong will be there15:41
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lei-zhmaybe he can talk about pipelne things15:42
TravTwe'll want to coordinate with the swift team as well15:42
lei-zhpipeline, as well as the forwarding plugin15:42
TravTok, lei-zh, can you confirm with him and add that as a proposed topic on the etherpad?15:42
TravThttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/searchlight-newton-summit15:42
lei-zhok, I'll confirm with him15:43
notmynamelooks like seachlight has 2 working sessions?15:43
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TravTnotmyname: yes, 2 working sessions and one fishbowl15:43
notmynameperhaps we can do a swift working session that doesn't conflict with those15:43
notmynameunless it's soemthing that could be even larger as a full cross-project topic15:44
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TravTpossibly.15:44
TravTi mean possibly could be broader.15:45
TravTnotmyname: sjmc7 got in touch with somebody to learn more about the rabbit issues15:45
TravTwith ceilometer15:45
TravTand scalability15:45
TravTthe short story is that they were feeding all the logs from openstack into rabbit15:46
TravTthat is where they ran into trouble15:46
TravTthey didn't have trouble with normal service notifications15:46
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sjmc7well, that was from monasca i think15:46
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TravTright, thanks for the clarifications sjmc715:47
notmynameI added a searchlight topic to swift's planning etherpad. I'd love any extra details you can provide there https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-newton-summit-planning15:47
TravTthanks notmyname15:47
sjmc7ok. i’m planning to talk to a few more folks here before the summit too15:47
sjmc7last few weeks have been a bit mad15:47
TravTwe have a BP to prototype the direct indexing library as well.15:48
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TravTnotmyname: just added some info15:50
TravTto your etherpad15:50
notmynamethanks15:50
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TravTok, next week we will need to spend more time on scheduling. so be thinking of topics and add to the etherpad15:51
TravT#topic newton prioritization15:51
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TravTWe already have a list of candidate BP's for newton15:52
TravThttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/newton15:52
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TravTif you have BPs that you think should be on there, please propose them15:52
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sjmc7i was toying with the idea of adding one for localization15:53
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sjmc7it might be a pandora’s box15:53
david-lylelots of highs :-)15:53
TravTEVERYTHING IS HIGH!15:53
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david-lyleI know I am15:53
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TravTlol15:53
david-lylecolorado and all15:53
sjmc7every BP is just as important as the one that preceeds it, if not more so15:54
rosmaitamaybe i should bring brownies instead of pie15:54
david-lylesjmc7: localizing what?15:54
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sjmc7that is the question...15:54
sjmc7localizing error messages etc is trivial15:54
sjmc7but data, querying etc is not15:54
david-lyleright but it's more about queries15:54
david-lyleyes15:54
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david-lyleI think you're comparing based on unicode15:55
sjmc7i guess naively you could set a locale for the installation and index appropriately15:55
david-lyleand that's it, no?15:55
sjmc7yeah - e-s has variouis language tokenizers15:55
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david-lylebut I can name an instance in russian and my colleague in german15:55
* david-lyle can't name instance in russian15:56
david-lylebut for example15:56
TravTthis might be important to consider in the cross region discussions15:56
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sjmc7yeah.. there’s a number of long and boring blog posts on this from elastic.co15:56
sjmc7for non-analyzed stuff (most of what we have) it’s fine15:56
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david-lyleI guess status fields would be more interesting15:56
sjmc7but for tokenizing different languages have different rules15:56
lei-zhis this only related to full text15:57
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sjmc7largely, yes lei-zh15:57
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TravTstatus fields are the job of the ui to localize, i think.15:57
sjmc7for non-analyzed fields it’s direct comparison15:57
TravTsince they are enums15:57
sjmc7possibly, yeah. in any case, something we need to look at15:57
david-lyleTravT: how about CLI?15:57
david-lyleor API15:57
david-lyle?15:57
TravTwhat does nova do for its status fields?15:58
TravTcan you request in a locale?15:58
david-lyleI think so15:58
TravTwell, then that seems like a bug we should look at15:58
* david-lyle would have to check15:58
sjmc7ok, so i will add a BP15:58
sjmc7at least to identify problem areas15:59
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sjmc7i’ll use my full command of foreign languages (speaking slowly and loudly)15:59
TravTok, that sounds fine.15:59
TravTsjmc7 that is an excellent tactic15:59
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TravTvery english speaker of you15:59
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TravTokay, we are out of time.16:00
TravTplease, look at the reviews mentioned16:00
TravTso we can release rc2.16:00
TravTthank you everybody!16:00
TravT#endmeeting16:00
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odyssey4me#startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible16:07
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 31 16:07:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:07
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:07
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odyssey4me#topic Agenda & rollcall16:07
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odyssey4mehi everyone - sorry for the late start, I was busy and all these DST changes confused me too16:10
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odyssey4me#topic Release notes in IRRs16:10
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odyssey4meIs palendae around?16:11
palendaeAm - I have not made much progress o nthis16:11
odyssey4mewell, you did in that we had a discussion with dhellmann about it and came to an understanding that it should be possible to do the roll-up16:11
odyssey4me:)16:11
palendaeYeah16:11
palendaeBrief summary16:11
palendaeWe're going to look at making a post merge job for the IRRs that will copy out the release notes and submit them as a new patch to openstack-ansible16:12
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palendaeSo the file will be duplicated, but the process of copying it will be automated. Approvals are still necessary though16:12
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spotzo/ sorry was chatting:)16:13
odyssey4meyeah, that's the gist of what's possible with no tooling changes to reno16:13
odyssey4methanks palendae - let me know if you need any help on it, we'll keep the topic on the agenda for follow up if that's ok?16:14
palendaeodyssey4me: Sure thing16:14
palendaeMostly focused on upgrade testing right now, but I'll try to poke at this/priortize it when I have downtime16:14
palendaeI'll start with a demo script that pulls the necessary stuff out of a git commit and go from there16:15
odyssey4me#topic Mitaka release decisions16:15
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stevellepalendae: that sounds excellent, thanks16:15
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odyssey4meA bit of feedback first. The short of it is that if we want to be included as part of the 'Mitaka' release, then we need to release on time with the rest of the OpenStack projects. We don't really have the ability to delay.16:16
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odyssey4meThat prety much means that we should be looking to branch, and therefore declare an RC today - and we'll tag the first release next week.16:16
odyssey4meI think we're in reasonable shape. There is a lot that perhaps we should be doing to clean a few things up, but those are things we could easily backport if we feel they're really necessary.16:18
cloudnull++16:18
spotzodyssey4me We're still good to clean up though right? Cause I don't think we can not put out a RC16:18
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odyssey4meTherefore I'd like to ask that all cores look specifically only to merge absolutely essential reviews, and to only workflow patches that are necessary. Docs patches and release notes can go through as normal, but nothing must change code unless it needs to.16:19
odyssey4meThis is release critical: https://review.openstack.org/30002516:19
stevelleI think that is an easy merge16:20
odyssey4meAnything that improves tests is good in my books, so the awesome work that mattt's being putting in to normalise how the tests are done and to make them work better is good in my books.16:20
odyssey4meI'd like us to branch tonight, so that master can progress and we can get on with merging anything we'd like. That said, the focal point would ideally be for us to be first finding anything that may be a release critical bug, and second to prepare reviews for things we want to propose and discuss at the summit.16:21
stevelleWhen we do have the branch, should that be announced on the ML?16:22
cloudnull++16:22
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odyssey4meI can do that, although part of using the release team is that there are automated announcements. I'll discuss the way it works with them.16:22
odyssey4meI think we may be missing the right gate job to automate the announcement, so I may have to do it manually anyway.16:23
stevelleRight, was wondering if that would be automated16:23
odyssey4meOne of the benefits of releasing as an OpenStack project is that we can make use of the release team. That gets us a lot more awareness and formalised support.16:24
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odyssey4meI'd like us to look through the review queue in the channel after the meeting and itemise reviews that are high priority.16:25
odyssey4meAny thoughts, comments or questions?16:25
stevelleI'll be there16:25
cloudnullmaybe we need to do this on an etherpad16:25
odyssey4megood idea16:26
spotzSounds like a good plan, etherpad is good too16:26
cloudnullthat way we can track whats what16:26
odyssey4menote also that we still have several bugs sitting: https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/13.0.016:26
odyssey4mewe'll need to decide whether to deal with them, or move them along16:26
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cloudnull:LINK https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-release-reviews16:26
odyssey4methanks cloudnull16:26
spotzI can eithre work on my 2 or tackle reviews just let me know what you need me to work on in the background of my day to days16:27
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odyssey4methanks spotz16:30
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odyssey4mesorry - saw a squirrel on the etherpad :p16:30
spotzodyseey4me I know right!16:30
odyssey4me#topic Blueprint work16:30
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odyssey4meI thought it might be nice to do a quick catch up on the blueprint stuff.16:31
odyssey4memichaelgugino I see you've got an OVS patch in the works. It looks in reasonable shape and seems likely that we may get a patch merged early in Newton. :)16:31
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odyssey4meAny thoughts or questions relating to that?16:31
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michaelguginoI added some comments to the review16:32
cloudnullpotential backport to mitaka?16:32
michaelguginoWe'll be backporting it to liberty locally, I believe.16:32
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odyssey4me#link https://review.openstack.org/29876516:32
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michaelguginoIn any case, I need some direction on the implementation.  We can either implement the pattern we have now, or change linuxbridge_agent to something like l2plugin_agent16:33
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odyssey4mePersonally, I think that considering it's an opt-in feature we could backport to Mitaka quite happily before milestone-1 assuming that this is what our stakeholders/cores are keen on.16:33
michaelguginomy only concern is that would potentially break backwards compatibility with older inventories.16:34
cloudnull++ i like the idea of doing something like "l2plugin_agent" which can be made as a child to the neutron_agent group.16:34
odyssey4mehmm, that's a good question16:34
michaelguginoor, just provide additional files in env.d such as 'nova-ovs.yml' etc16:34
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stevelleinventory changes would be bad for a backport to mitaka.16:35
odyssey4meI'd prefer to generalise the group name, and if the migration is an issue I'd rather we tool the migration.16:35
odyssey4meBut then yes, a backport would not be possible.16:35
cloudnullor maybe keep the group structure as is and simply do something along the lines of what odyssey4me suggested with a setting of "neutron_network_type" ?16:36
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odyssey4meThat said - if the tooling was done in such a way that it's completely transparent, then it probably would be backportable. It all depends... but stevelle has raised a good point in that it would make the reviewers nervous.16:36
michaelguginoI'm leaning more towards the extra files in the env.d16:36
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stevellethat might be smoother16:37
odyssey4memichaelgugino I'm not fond of that idea at all. Our last resort should be to add more configuration files in user space.16:37
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cloudnullmichaelgugino: couldnt neutron_ovs_agent be added to https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/etc/openstack_deploy/env.d/neutron.yml#L5116:37
stevellecleaner seems better than smoother in this case16:37
cloudnulland with the component in here https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/etc/openstack_deploy/env.d/neutron.yml#L1616:38
michaelguginoI suppose it could.  I'll have to rework some things to ensure that only one or the other is implemented16:38
michaelguginoI think I have a good idea how to do that16:38
cloudnullseems like there would be no need for a structural change if we went that route16:38
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odyssey4mewell, both groups can be there - it doesn't have to be one or the other in terms of the inventory16:38
cloudnullit could follow something similar to the lbaas agent16:38
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mhaydensomeone said lbaas16:39
odyssey4mebut yes - perhaps we should review the inventory for more specifics like this that should become generics - then we build some tooling around it16:39
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cloudnullthe lbaas agent is conditionally included and we can make the lxb / ovs agent do a similar thing16:39
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cloudnullmhayden: dont you worry none16:39
cloudnull:)16:39
spotzhehe16:39
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michaelguginosomething like inventory_hostname in groups[neutron_services['{{ l2plugin_agent }}']['group']]16:40
cloudnull+1 i think something like that would work well without having to worry about inventory issues if we backport16:41
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cloudnulli think16:41
odyssey4mealso note that the inventory issue is simply a cosmetic one anyway - the name of the group seems wrong16:41
* cloudnull could be super off base16:41
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michaelguginomy preference is a single user variable to deploy OVS or LxB16:41
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odyssey4meyep, the ironic and nuage plugins are kinda needing the same thing - a single var change that actions other var changes16:42
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odyssey4methat's why I suggested using a var like 'neutron_network_type' which has a known set of values - something like linuxbridge, openvswitch, plumgrid or nuage.16:43
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odyssey4meThen, based on that we set all the appropriate drivers and such.16:43
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michaelguginowell, I don't prefer to call them neutron_network_type because it's really the ml2 plugin agent, not necessarily the network type16:44
michaelguginoI want to try to match upstream's wording as closely as we can16:44
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odyssey4meThis could be done in a task using set_fact, but I'm not all that fond of that approach. I kinda like the way that the dict is being use din the neutron role to provide access in a simple way to the config files, etc.16:44
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odyssey4memichaelgugino sure - the name was just a suggestion16:44
javeriakdon't we already have that, in neutron_plugin_type16:44
odyssey4meas long as it's namespaced :)16:45
michaelguginoml2 is one plugin, plumgrid is another plugin16:45
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odyssey4meyou're right, we do :)16:45
michaelguginoml2 implements various agents, at least that's how it looks to me16:45
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odyssey4meso the trouble is now that we need ml2.openvswitch :p16:45
cloudnullso maybe thats the type16:46
cloudnullml2.linuxbridge16:46
cloudnullml2.ovs16:46
javeriakyou add another mls-ovs struct to the neutron_plugins list, with the relevant configs16:46
cloudnulletc16:46
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odyssey4mebut yeah, I like that approach and would like to establish a pattern which we can use for other things in other roles16:46
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javeriakml2-ovs* etc16:46
cloudnull^ +116:46
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javeriakhere: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/liberty/playbooks/roles/os_neutron/defaults/main.yml#L87-L9516:47
michaelguginoI'm still thinking it should be neutron_ml2_type16:47
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michaelguginothat dict doesn't really implement specific to OVS or LxB16:48
odyssey4meWell, have a go at it the way you think, and let's continue in review.16:49
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odyssey4meOn another topic of interest - I'm told that we should have access to an experimental job to try out Ubuntu Xenial some time soon.16:49
michaelguginobut, now I'm leaning the otherway, it might be a clean place to implement it, if not a little redundant.16:49
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javeriakmichaelgugino you should give whatever you think is best a try, we can help review16:50
odyssey4mejaveriak ++16:50
michaelguginook, will do.16:50
cloudnullthe mechanism drivers and such can go their too16:50
cloudnullhttps://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/liberty/playbooks/roles/os_neutron/defaults/main.yml#L271-L27216:50
odyssey4memichaelgugino also, there's nothing stopping you from doing two reviews to compare approaches16:50
michaelguginoThe biggest thing about 16.04 is the containers16:51
odyssey4mecloudnull yeah, I think some of the clean up work we should do in the next cycle can also include doing things like this in smarter way16:51
odyssey4me*ways16:51
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cloudnull++16:51
michaelguginountil we get that solved, it's going to be hard.  After we solve the containers, that checks a lot of boxes for systemd support, and makes the support for CentOS much easier.16:52
odyssey4mewe can do away with a lot of logic in tasks and templates by using javeriak's clever mechanism16:52
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michaelguginoI'm not familiar with javeriak's mechanism.16:53
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odyssey4methe use of the predictable dict and reference to it is what I was referring to - basically what we've been discussing as a possible approach for the last 15 mins was implemented by javeriak  :)16:54
odyssey4mealright, we're almost out of time16:54
odyssey4me#topic Open discussion16:54
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odyssey4meDoes anyone have anything specific they want to mention before we close.16:54
odyssey4meOr question?16:55
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michaelguginohas anyone implemented a simple inventory cmdb for this project?  Or using one?16:56
stevellehah16:56
cloudnullmichaelgugino: no.16:56
cloudnullnot that im aware of16:56
stevellegreat idea though16:56
michaelguginoit would be nice to have an api I can call to get my inventory instead of the giant json file.16:56
cloudnullbut that is our oldest blueprint16:56
cloudnullmichaelgugino: stevelle odyssey4me and i pondered using etcd for that at the ops summit16:56
odyssey4mealright, let's move that to the channel (or the summit inventory revisit session)16:56
cloudnullbut i've not done anything with it as of yet16:57
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odyssey4mewe need to move on - thank you all for attending!16:57
spotzo/16:57
odyssey4me#endmeeting16:57
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cathy_#startmeeting service_chaining17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 31 17:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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cathy_hi s3wong17:00
pcarverHello17:00
cathy_hi pcarver17:00
s3wonghello17:00
raofeiHello17:01
sridhar_ramo/17:01
cathy_hi raofei  sridhar_ram17:01
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vishnoianilpcarver, s3wong cathy_ hi everyone17:01
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LouisFhi17:01
cathy_hi vishnoianil17:01
cathy_hi everyone17:01
s3wongvishnoianil: hi17:01
cathy_let's start17:01
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cathy_#topic ODL SFC Driver to networking-sfc17:02
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cathy_vishnoianil: From last meeting log, I see that you have interest in working on an ODL driver to networking-sfc, right?17:02
vishnoianilcathy_, i am currently working the blue print for the ODL SFC driver, planning to push it by this week17:02
cathy_vishnoianil: great17:02
vishnoianilcathy_, i discuss it with tim and also to isaku,17:03
vishnoianilcathy_, i heard that Yi from Intel is also interested in it, so will sync up with him as well17:03
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s3wongvishnoianil: is yamahata involved with ODL SFC also?17:03
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vishnoianilhe is networking-odl PTL17:04
s3wongvishnoianil: I know he is in general the lead for ODL <-> Neutron integration at the ODL community, but not sure if he is involved specifically with ODL SFC17:04
cathy_Good. Yi Yang already sent me email discussing on this. It will be good to sync up with him.17:04
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vishnoianils3wong, nope, he is not17:04
raofeiHow much difference between ODL north API and networking-sfc:)17:05
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vishnoianilraofei, that's the exercise tim and me are doing17:05
vishnoianilraofei, if we find some support on the difference from networking-sfc, we will bring up for the discussion17:06
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raofeiok, so the adapter workload is not too much, right?17:06
raofei:)17:06
vikramSorry to be late17:06
cathy_raofei: In IETF, there are 3 levels of SFC API abstraction, SFC, SFP, RSP. You can think of networking-sfc as the SFP abstraction level API and ODL level as the RSP abstraction level API. Tacker as the highest abstraction level SFC API17:06
cathy_vikram: np17:06
raofeiOK17:07
s3wongvishnoianil, raofei: I believe ODL SFC has a different concept on SFC --- SFC for them is template / staging of the chain17:07
cathy_The ODL driver to networking-sfc should do the mapping.17:07
* s3wong sees that cathy_ already pointed that out above... :-) 17:07
vishnoianils3wong, odl sfc is quite a bit complex then the api we have in networking-sfc17:08
cathy_vishnoianil: we are looking forward to the BP for ODL driver:-)17:08
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s3wongvishnoianil: ODL SFC is doing a lot more than just port chaining17:09
vishnoianilso as far as networking-sfc api can be transalated to sfc yang models, things should be fine17:09
raofeiyes, I think so.  The forwarding solution is different, but they can use the same abstract API.17:09
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cathy_vishnoianil: ODL SFC has two types of APIs. What is really implemented in ODL is the RSP API and the ODL driver can just map networking SFC API to the ODL RSP API17:09
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vishnoianilcathy_, s3wong probably we will have some hitch on things where odl-sfc needs more details and networking-sfc don't provide that through existing api17:10
s3wongvishnoianil: the SFP portion (as cathy_ alluded to) of ODL SFC should be fully supported by networking-sfc APIs today17:10
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cathy_If there is any extension needed and those extensions are generic to all controllers (ODL, ONOS etc.), then sure we can add them17:11
vishnoianils3wong, yes i hope so, but devil is in details, so hopefully we won't get any big road block :)17:11
vishnoianilcathy_, that's great!17:11
vishnoianilcathy_, will push BP sometime this week.17:12
cathy_vishnoianil: great, thanks.17:12
vishnoianiland then let us jump on the implementation, we will have better feedback loop17:12
vishnoianilon the real detals17:12
sridhar_ramcathy_: I'd also argue of one controller supports a feature that other doesn't we still need to consider accommodating that17:12
vishnoianilcathy_, thanks networking-sfc team for all your support17:12
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vikramvishnoianil: please consider current onos implementation as well17:12
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cathy_sridhar_ram: agree17:13
vishnoianilvikram, sure, i will17:13
vikramThanks17:13
cathy_what I mean is that we will not add an extension to just accommodate a specific controller implementation17:14
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cathy_If it is for a enhancement feature, sure we will support it17:14
sridhar_ramcathy_: hopefully we should've such a need .. in general I notice ODL SFC has iterated over few years now and has wealth of features17:14
* sridhar_ram argh..17:14
cathy_vishnoianil: you are welcome!17:14
cathy_sridhar_ram: sure17:15
sridhar_ramcathy_: thanks!17:15
cathy_let's go to next topic?17:15
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cathy_#action vishnoianil will push BP sometime this week.17:16
cathy_#topic Networking-sfc driver to Tacker17:16
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LouisFwe have the spec in review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290771/17:17
cathy_LouisF: Yes, I see that. Thanks!17:17
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cathy_Is Tim online?17:17
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LouisFTim has added some comments and we are working through them17:18
cathy_LouisF: yes, I already replied to all his comments and I think we have reached consensus.17:19
sridhar_ramcathy_: I believe Tim couldn't make it to this call due to a conflict17:19
s3wongcathy_: trozet is sort of inactive at #tacker17:19
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cathy_sridhar_ram: OK, thanks for the info17:19
LouisFs3wong: he posted comments on the review recenetly17:20
sridhar_rams3wong: not really.. he is quite active pushing updates to both vnffg plugin and reviewing n-sfc driver in tacker17:20
cathy_s3wong: could you clarify what you mean by that? I see that he has been addressing comments and replying to comments17:20
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LouisFsridhar_ram: i agree Tim has been working hard17:20
s3wongLouisF: I saw that cathy_ has addressed some of trozet's comments17:21
LouisFsridhar_ram: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290771/17:21
s3wongsridhar_ram: no, what I meant is trozet at this moment isn't active on #tacker, although he is on #tacker17:21
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sridhar_ramLouisF: I've been following that, looks it is shaping up well.. now that Tacker mitaka release is out, I'll have more time to participate in this discussion17:22
sridhar_rams3wong: ah, I see...17:22
LouisFsridhar_ram: I think networking-sfc can accomodate most of what Tim comments17:22
sridhar_ramLouisF: that's good.. my understanding was, we need to passthru' "service_type" and possibly few other metadata17:23
LouisFsridhar_ram: yes17:23
cathy_From the latest round of comments to n-sfc driver, the only action item is that Tim will check with Brady and see if we can make the VNF type param in ODL API optional since we both think it is not mandatory required and used.17:23
cathy_VNF type = service_type17:24
sridhar_ramcathy_: Agree, it will be nice if ODL doesn't care about the type17:25
cathy_yes, after we hear back from Tim, we can probably get the spec approved and move to implementation.17:26
cathy_sridhar_ram: will you or Tim or s3wong help with some of the implementation?17:26
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s3wongcathy_: I can help, either on Tacker or networking-sfc :-)17:26
sridhar_rams3wong: thanks!17:27
cathy_s3wong: great.17:28
cathy_sridhar_ram: we can work on the n-sfc driver side and s3wong can work on the tacker coding side.17:28
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s3wongcathy_: I can even work on the networking-sfc side :-)17:28
cathy_s3wong: great, thanks!17:29
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cathy_move on to next topic?17:29
sridhar_ramcathy_: here is my understanding on the ownership...17:29
sridhar_ramtrozet: owns Tacker VNFFG plugin side17:30
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cathy_sridhar_ram: sounds good17:30
sridhar_ramFor Tacker networking-sfc driver - s3wong and LouisF ?17:30
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LouisFsridhar_ram: we can work on that once the spec is approved17:31
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sridhar_ramLouisF: sounds good .. thanks!17:31
cathy_sridhar_ram: so trozet owns and will do coding on the Tacker VNFFG plugin side, s3wong and LouisF will do the coding on the n-sfc driver side once the spec is approved and merged17:31
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sridhar_ramcathy_: sounds like a plan ! lock it now :)17:32
cathy_#agreed trozet owns and will do coding on the Tacker VNFFG plugin side, s3wong and LouisF will do the coding on the n-sfc driver side once the spec is approved and merged17:32
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cathy_we are assigning trozet work without him being present here:-)17:33
cathy_#topic “Symmetric” parameter in the chain_param and let the underlying driver handle creating a reverse chain17:33
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cathy_vishnoianil: this extension comes from discussion with YiYang for ODL support17:34
cathy_I think it is reasonable to support symmetric chain17:34
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cathy_so we need a parameter in the API for specifying that17:34
vishnoianilcathy_, okay17:35
cathy_when this parameter is specified, n-sfc will pass it to the controller and the controller will handle creating a reverse chain.17:35
cathy_make sense to everyone?17:35
s3wongcathy_: +1 --- it should be driver's work17:35
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LouisFcathy_: that would be the best approach17:36
vishnoianilcathy_, make sense to me17:36
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cathy_pcarver: raofei Ok with you?17:37
raofeithere are many kind of chaining for different scenario. Symmetric is one of them.17:38
pcarvercathy_: Sure17:38
cathy_It seems vikram and mohan keep being disconnected17:38
fsunavalCathy, yes, the symmetric parameter makes sense.17:38
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LouisFwe can add that to the chain parameter17:38
raofeiso I think it's necessary that this parameter is not only indicate the symmetric17:39
cathy_#agreed we will add "symmetric" in the chain_param and n-sfc will pass it to the driver and let the underlying driver handle creating a reverse chain17:39
raofeiok17:39
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cathy_raofei: we can have other chain_param extensions too. we can add them later when there is a requirement coming up. But if you have any thought now , please speak up17:41
raofeiIt's better to make this parameter user-defined, but not only indicate 'symmetric'17:42
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cathy_raofei: could you clarify what you mean by "user-defined" and what else to indicate?17:42
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raofeiI mean we don't define a API attribute for one scenario. try to make it extensionable.17:44
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raofeiAll of you are same meaning, right?17:45
raofei:)17:45
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raofeigo on please17:46
cathy_Not sure what you mean. Maybe we can discuss off line. OK with you?17:46
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raofeiOK17:46
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cathy_#topic “SFC path-ID” parameter in the chain_param for supporting the wireless Gi-Lan scenario17:46
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cathy_This requirement comes from the wireless Gi-LAN user17:47
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cathy_In the Gi-LAN scenario, the classifier is done on a separate entity called PCEF which is out of the control domain of OpenStack but the SF chain itself is under the control of openstack n-sfc17:48
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raofeiDo we need to change the API for this scenario?17:49
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trozetim back in case anyone has a question for me ( I know we switched topics)17:49
cathy_So in order to co-ordinate the chain path ID in the data plane (the classifier will add the chain path ID in the packet and the vSwitch will forward the packet based on this path ID),17:49
LouisFsee the IETF draft on PCEP extensions https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wu-pce-traffic-steering-sfc/17:49
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cathy_a centralized Mano component will generate the chain path ID and pass it down to both PCEF and n-sfc.17:50
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cathy_So our n-sfc API needs to have a place for upper layer Mano-like component to pass this information17:51
cathy_trozet: welcome back.17:51
trozetcathy_: thanks :) sorry I missed the first half17:52
cathy_we can add this path ID in the chain_param since this path ID is associated with a chain and is a unique identifier of the chain in the data plane17:52
cathy_make sense to everyone?17:52
trozetcathy_: i think that may even be useful for ODL implementation as well17:53
raofeimake sense to me17:53
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cathy_trozet: we discussed the status of the n-sfc driver to Tacker and the VNFFG Plugin. I think we resolved most items in n-sfc driver patch and the only left item is that you will check with Brady and see if we can make the VNF type param in ODL API optional since we both think it is not mandatory required and used.17:55
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trozetcathy_: yeah will do that and get back to you17:55
LouisFcathy_: seems like a good solution17:55
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cathy_trozet: thanks. Also you may want to check the logs of this meeting. There is some work assignment for you (design and coding of the VNFFG Plugin piece) :-)17:56
trozetcathy_: sounds good.  I already have that here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286802/17:57
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trozetcathy_: need to rebase it and add unit tests, then add other functionality thats missing17:57
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trozetI'll add you and Lous as reviewers17:58
trozetLouis*17:58
cathy_trozet: sounds good. thanks17:58
LouisFtrozet: is that the sfcc_id?17:58
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trozetLouisF: sfcc_id is classifier ID17:59
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LouisFtrozet: what attribute in the patch is the path id?18:00
trozetLouisF: It's not, in the POC ODL creates it automatically, but it would be good to have the ability to specify one18:00
LouisFtrozet:  ok18:00
trozetLouisF: you can add that as a comment if you want to the spec18:01
cathy_trozet: looks like you agree with adding the ID in the API.18:01
LouisFtrozet: will review18:01
trozetcathy_: yeah18:01
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fsunavalI am fine with adding the chain id in the API param18:02
cathy_#agreed add the path ID in the API chain_param18:02
LouisFbye18:02
cathy_time is up. Let's continue our discussion next time.18:02
s3wongbye18:02
cathy_bye everyone18:02
cathy_#endmeeting18:02
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