Thursday, 2016-01-14

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flaper87Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k13:59
flaper87Courtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting13:59
flaper87Courtesy meeting reminder: dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat13:59
flaper87#startmeeting Glance13:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 14 13:59:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance'13:59
hemanthmo/13:59
flaper87o.13:59
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dshakhrayo/13:59
* flaper87 wonders where the rest of the team is14:00
* flaper87 shakes the IRC's undergrounds14:00
kragnizo/14:00
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flaper87I'll give a couple of more minutes to see if we reach quorum14:01
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flaper87otherwise, we'll skip the meeting this week (unless folks here have urgent matters to discuss)14:01
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rosmaitao/14:02
flaper87tic toc14:02
flaper87tic toc14:02
flaper87rosmaita: oh-hey14:02
avarnero/14:02
kairato/14:02
rosmaitaflaper87: greetings and salutations from Blacksburg, VA, USA!14:02
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nikhilo/14:03
flaper87rosmaita: oh man, Blacksburg. I've never been there but I've heard it's pretty much in the middle of n.o.w.h.e.r.e14:03
flaper87:D14:03
flaper87nikhil knows better14:03
flaper87:D14:03
rosmaitaflaper87: it's definitely somewhere ... just not easy to get to14:04
nikhilhaha14:04
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flaper87Not sure it's worse than Nebraska but close enough14:04
flaper87:P14:04
nikhilit's in the middle14:04
mfedosino/14:04
mfedosinhey14:04
flaper87ok, let's start14:04
flaper87#topic Agenda14:04
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flaper87#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda14:04
flaper87(please put names next to topics)14:04
nikhilmiddle of quite a few things but nothing close by14:04
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flaper87#topic Updates14:05
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flaper87#undo14:05
openstackRemoving item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x9805b10>14:05
flaper87#topic Artifacts Updates14:05
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flaper87#chair nikhil14:05
openstackCurrent chairs: flaper87 nikhil14:05
flaper87#chair rosmaita14:05
openstackCurrent chairs: flaper87 nikhil rosmaita14:05
flaper87in case my network breaks14:05
nikhilack14:05
flaper87mfedosin nikhil news on artifacts ?14:05
mfedosinI wrote a router for new glare public api14:06
mfedosinbut now it's blocked by Alex patch14:06
flaper87ok14:06
flaper87On tuesday, there seemed to be an intention of asking for a SFE for the glare API spec14:07
mfedosinhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/255274/14:07
flaper87I haven't seen any email on the m-l and I asked one to be sent14:07
mfedosinAlso Alex wanted to write a message to ML about FFE14:07
flaper87Although there's a FastTrack in place, I think we should still follow the process14:07
flaper87and it's Thursday already14:07
* mclaren which reminds me...14:08
flaper87This means no one will have enough time to actually read and comment on the spec14:08
flaper87mclaren: I was going to get to you in a bit... >.>14:08
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flaper87ok, the drivers team will do the best to provide enough feedbacks and reach consensus before the end of the week but I hope you understand it'll be difficult given the short time.14:09
flaper87anything else on artifacts?14:09
mfedosinnothing14:10
flaper87#topic Drivers Updates14:10
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flaper87There are not many updates this week. The SFE was extended and there are 3 more request (one email already sent, thanks kairat ) and 2 to come14:11
flaper87These are being evaluated and feedback will be provided before the end of this week14:11
flaper87As mentioned last week, the image import spec landed and there are still some changes in progress14:11
flaper87but the main plan is there14:11
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flaper87We'll be focusing more on reviewing spec lites in the upcoming weeks14:12
flaper87#topic Nova v1 -> v2 updates14:12
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flaper87mfedosin :D14:12
mfedosinwe have 2 updates14:13
mfedosinone is that all v1->v2 code has moved to glance client14:13
mfedosinthanks Cyril for that14:13
mfedosinhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/266419/214:13
flaper87Awesome14:13
flaper87#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266419/214:14
mfedosinand the second one - I started working on xenplugin14:14
flaper87folks, please, review ^14:14
kairatwe need to merge this before client release14:14
mfedosinhere's the patch on review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266933/14:14
flaper87That might be blocking part of the work in nova14:14
kairatotherwise the work will be stopped14:14
flaper87kairat: yup, I'll hold off the client release until that lands14:14
mfedosinagree with kairat14:14
mclarenmakes sense I think14:14
flaper87mfedosin: I talked to johnthetubaguy yday and he commented on your patches14:15
mfedosinokay, I'll read14:15
flaper87There are a couple of concerns (xenplugin still one of them) w.r.t those patches14:15
mfedosinxenplugin fails now, but I'm working on that14:15
flaper87it'd be super cool to address them and provide feedback14:15
flaper87some of those concerns are related to how this code is being tested14:16
mfedosinjust tempest. I suppose14:16
flaper87mfedosin: yes, I think. He summarized everything on the review14:16
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flaper87let me know if you need help on anything14:17
mfedosinwill read, thanks for pointing out14:17
flaper87anything else?14:17
* mfedosin hugs flaper8714:17
flaper87Summary: xenplugin is comming and ppl please review Cyril's patch on glanceclient. WE NEED IT :P14:17
* flaper87 stops yelling14:17
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* flaper87 can't type while hugging someone14:18
flaper87ok14:18
flaper87#topic Artifacts Fast-Track: Next steps (flaper87)14:18
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flaper87Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo14:18
flaper87I was going to bring this up last week but there weren't enough folks from the artifacts team14:18
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flaper87TL;DR: I'd like to time box the FastTrack we have in place for Artifacts14:18
flaper87While I think it's been great and helpful, I believe it's, unintentionally, preventing folks from jumping into contributing to Glare14:19
flaper87The reason is that the work in Glare, I believe, hasn't been given the importance it deserves for whatever reason that I don't want to get into14:19
kairatflaper87, why it should be time box14:20
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flaper87Therefore, I'd like us to (I should perhaps join the artifacts meeting next week) set a final date for the FastTrack14:20
kairatmaybe we can define the scope14:20
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flaper87for example, we'll remove the fasttrack at the end of mitaka14:20
flaper87One thing I'd also like to start doing in Glance, and this perhaps supersedes the need of a FastTrack is put in place a trust review model14:21
kairatwhat happened if we won't merge anything useful before end of Mitaka14:21
flaper87That is, allow folks from the same company, teams, etc, to merge patches and trust the good faith of everyone14:21
mfedosinfasttrack cannot go on forever.14:21
flaper87This is done in keystone and other teams and I believe it's a healthier model14:21
mfedosinso, yeah, we need some transition date14:21
flaper87kairat: well, in that case, there's not much we can do. The rest will have to go through normal reviews14:22
flaper87The FastTrack has been around for almost 2 cycles already14:22
flaper87I'll send an email out to formalize this but I wanted to get feedback before I do that14:23
mfedosinflaper87: do you know that artifacts meetings are at 5PM UTC?14:23
flaper87mfedosin: yes, I do14:23
mfedosinnot at 214:23
mfedosinokay, will be glad to see you there14:23
flaper87It's just that mondays are not super ideal for me. That's the only reason I don't show up very often14:23
flaper87otherwise I'd always attend14:24
flaper87(sorry about that)14:24
flaper87aaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway14:24
kairatso regarding fast track14:24
flaper87kairat: shoot14:24
kairati have only one concern14:24
* flaper87 phew14:24
flaper87good thing there are not many :P14:24
* flaper87 can deal with one14:24
* flaper87 hopes14:24
kairatPerhaps it is reasonable to setup time box after spec merge14:24
* flaper87 stfu14:24
kairatI mean we can start working on that only after spec merge14:25
kairatuntil then it is  not useful to setup any deadlines14:25
kairatIMO, of course=)14:25
flaper87To be honest, I'm quite bummed on the fact there was not enough push for the glare API spec. We worked very close on the v3 -> glare spec but the API one was not pushed as much as the former.14:26
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flaper87as I mentioned at the beginning of the meeting, I haven't seen the email asking for the SFE and it's thursday14:26
flaper87don't get me wrong14:26
flaper87I'm sure we all have our own issues, downstream problems, family, etc.14:26
flaper87But, given how important this is, I'm bummed that no exception was requested even in the extended exception week we agreed on14:27
mclarenI sent one14:27
flaper87sorry if I'm coming out harsh but I feel like asking to not timeboxing the fasttrack until the spec merges is not fair given the fact the spec hasn't been followed close enough by the folks that will work on it14:28
flaper87At leat to the best of my knowledge14:28
flaper87That said, I'm happy to take blames if there hasn't been enough feedback from me or the drivers team14:28
flaper87Let's discuss it in the mailing list14:28
flaper87I'll send the email out14:28
kairatit is just a concern, Flavio14:29
flaper87kairat: also, just to be clear, yours is a super valid concern. I'm just giving my humble opinion14:29
flaper87kairat: yeah, again, sorry if I just puked all that here but that needed to be said :)14:29
flaper87it's not on you, trust me14:29
flaper87and perhaps puke is not the best word to use14:29
flaper87oh well, english14:30
flaper87anyway, moving on14:30
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flaper87#topic Preparing for next cycle14:30
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flaper87I mentioned last week that I'd like to work closely with folks that would like to run for Glance PTL14:30
flaper87bringing this up again because we have more ppl here today14:30
flaper87So, if you're thinking of running for the Glance PTL position, ping me. I'd like to work on N plans with you14:31
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flaper87rather than reaching the end of the cycle and having 40k different plans in every proposal14:31
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flaper87I believe it's good for the community to work on longer term plans with current+future PTLs14:31
flaper87If you don't want to make this info public for some reason, I promise I'll be super discrete about it14:31
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flaper87I understand there are internal schedules and whatnot to take under consideration when making these decisions14:32
flaper87thoughts? ideas? concerns ?14:32
flaper87I believe this is important for the future health of the project14:33
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flaper87ok, I'll take that as a no14:33
flaper87#topic Documentation Changes14:33
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flaper87who proposed this?14:33
rosmaitame14:33
flaper87rosmaita: floor is yours14:33
rosmaitabut in the meantime Anne Gentle sent out a mailing, so you can read all aobut it14:33
nikhil(this was also discussed in cross project meeting)14:34
rosmaitashort story is, the api documentation is going to change from wadl-based to swagger14:34
nikhil#link http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2016-01/msg00732.html14:34
rosmaitathe doc team is going to make the conversion for images as a test case14:34
rosmaitaso basically, just something for us to be aware of ATM14:35
nikhil(I avoided the topic after seeing this in agenda)14:35
rosmaitathat's all14:35
flaper87cool!14:35
flaper87we'll have to look after those reviews and help the docs team move forward with the transition14:35
rosmaitaright, and then the expectation is that we will maintain the docs14:36
* flaper87 throws an evil laugh14:36
flaper87ok, that was a joke14:36
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nikhiland help bootstrap them too14:36
flaper87++14:36
flaper87Anyone that wants to follow-up on the above?14:36
nikhillike there was mention on missing API refs for some services and I think we should review the thoroughness14:36
flaper87It'd be useful to have someone helping out the docs team directly and, if needed, ping the team back and ask for help14:37
nikhilby default the API_WG liaisons are assigned to be pinged for the same14:37
flaper87sounds good! Then sigmavirus24_awa it is :P14:37
nikhiland I am ok following it too as part of x-prj work14:38
flaper87nikhil: rosmaita thanks for bringing this up14:38
flaper87nikhil:++14:38
flaper87sounds perfect14:38
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flaper87anything else here ?14:38
flaper87#topic Review Sprint next Monday, Jan 18th14:38
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flaper87ops14:39
flaper87ok14:39
flaper87Next week is M-214:39
flaper87w000h00014:39
flaper87yeah, we're *THAT* close to the end of the cycle already14:39
flaper87In the spirit of helping with reviews and getting some extra stuff into M-2, I'd like to propose doing a reviews sprint on Monday14:40
flaper87If you are using the glance dashboard, you'll notice there are several patches waiting for a final +214:40
flaper87A whole bucnh of other patches without negative feedback and +1s14:40
flaper87Patches keep coming in but reviews have slowed down a bit14:41
flaper87We did a great job review wise during M-1 and we can improve it a bit more in the upcoming weeks14:41
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flaper87so, I'd like to encourage everyone to do some extra reviews14:41
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flaper87That said, I'll be dedicating monday entirely to reviewing glance patches14:41
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flaper87hope other members of the community can do the same14:42
flaper87To Glance Cores, look after patches w/ +2s and help them go through14:42
flaper87That's it14:42
flaper87thoughts? quesitons?14:43
flaper87questions, even14:43
kairatI'm in14:43
rosmaitasounds like a good idea, i will put in a few hours14:43
kairatwith my +1/-1 =)14:43
* flaper87 runs super fast and hugs kairat14:43
flaper87kairat: your reviews have been super useful, FWIW14:43
flaper87rosmaita: hugs for you too but it'll take longer because you're now in Blacksburg14:44
kairatflaper87, thanks14:44
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rosmaitaflaper87: hard to hug someone who's nowhere!14:44
flaper87:P14:44
flaper87ok, moving on14:44
rosmaitapwd14:44
flaper87rosmaita: irc14:44
rosmaitaoops14:45
flaper87#topic Open Discussion14:45
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flaper87go crazy14:45
avarnerI'm writing a spec for hierarchical quotas14:45
flaper87avarner:++ sounds exciting14:45
flaper87avarner: pls, target it for the N release14:45
flaper87Has the name been announced yet?14:45
avarnerOk14:45
flaper87I cheated, fwiw, but I need the official announcement14:46
flaper87:P14:46
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buntingI have a question about how the feature freeze affects specs14:46
flaper87any other topic in open discussions? I think there are some review requests in the agenda14:46
flaper87bunting: OH HI!14:46
* flaper87 missed bunting14:46
buntingHaha just been watching14:46
flaper87bunting: you mean spec freeze or actual feature freeze ?14:47
buntingI wonder with the feature freeze is it possible to keep working on specs/features with the knowledge it won't get in14:47
buntingbut so it does not block14:47
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flaper87oh sure, spec freeze just means they won't get in but ppl are encouraged to keep working on future specs14:47
flaper87actually, the sooner specs are proposed the better14:47
flaper87that gives more time fore reviews before the next cycle14:48
flaper87Ideally, the summit should be used to discuss specs and finalize them14:48
mfedosin#link http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html14:48
flaper87mfedosin: ++14:48
mfedosinI think this link may be ueful14:48
flaper87Review request for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261288/2 (Provide a list of request ids to the caller)14:49
buntingThanks14:49
flaper87Review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248359/   Added support new v2 API image filters (dshakhray)14:49
flaper87those are the 2 review request in the agenda14:49
bpoulosI wanted to let the glance team know that the image-signing patches are being handed over to dane-fichter since I'll be gone for the next few months14:49
bpouloshe's been working on the image-signing from the nova side of things, so he's very familiar with the feature14:49
flaper87bpoulos: ah-ha, thanks for the heads up14:49
flaper87hope to see you back soon14:49
* flaper87 will miss bpoulos14:49
bpoulosflaper87: thanks14:50
mclaren++14:50
flaper87anything else?14:50
flaper87ooooooooooook, I'll take that as a no14:51
flaper87thanks everyone14:51
flaper87have a good one14:51
flaper87#endmeeting14:51
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rosmaitabye!14:51
mfedosinbye14:51
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-01-14-13.59.html14:51
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kairatthanks14:51
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buntingbye14:51
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prithivhave anyone tested SFC in a multi node environment14:56
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TravT#startmeeting openstack search15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 14 15:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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sjmc7mornin15:02
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RickA-HPHello15:02
TravTokay, had some connection flakiness there!15:02
TravTo/ RickA-HP15:02
TravTdid i miss any other greetings?15:02
RickA-HPJust Steve.15:03
TravTok. well, we'll give a minute.15:03
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TravTmaybe we scared 'em all away. ;D15:05
sjmc7:)15:05
TravTif you aren't already there, agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda15:05
TravT#topic mitaka 315:05
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TravT#undo15:06
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TravT#topic mitaka 215:06
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TravTokay, so mitaka 2 is next week15:06
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TravTwhich means we'll have to run the release for the milestone at some point next week.15:06
sjmc7the big outstanding spec i can think of is the notification publishing one15:06
TravTyes, i've given it a positive vote15:07
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TravTbased on concepts15:07
TravTour specs don't have to be perfect waterfall design documents15:07
TravTbut i don't know if lei-zh is still planning to work on it.15:08
yingjunseems late for meeting15:08
TravTthis release15:08
TravTo/ yingjun15:08
yingjuno/15:08
TravTi'll try to reach out to lei-zh and see if they have plans to implement15:08
TravTif it doesn't sound like it, then we'll need it to be re-proposed for n-release15:08
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sjmc7ok. i’m fine approving the spec, though i have some concern about getting it implemented in time15:09
TravTok, i'll mention that. will also reach out to malini15:09
TravTthe other spec is zero downtime.  it has a few comments to address.15:10
TravThttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/245222/15:10
TravTRickA-HP: do you want me to address the current comments and then you add anything else to it?15:10
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RickA-HPYes, I'm also adrerssing the comments.15:11
TravTsjmc7: i also have a few response / questions inline to your comments15:11
sjmc7ok, will take a look this morning15:11
TravTthat have followup question for you15:11
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TravTRickA-HP: um, so does that mean you'll just do the next rev of it and I shouldn't? either way is okay with me.15:12
RickA-HPI'm also breaking it down into separate tasks like we discussed.15:12
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RickA-HPI'l handle the next rev.15:12
TravTokay, that sounds good.15:12
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TravT#topic bug review / bp review day15:13
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TravTSo, each milestone since starting this up, we've done a bug review / bp review day15:13
TravTwell, not day15:14
TravTjust an hour or so in the #openstack-searchlight room15:14
sjmc7yeah, they’ve been quite useful15:14
TravTi think we should do that again15:14
TravTunfortunately, it seems nikhil, rosmaita, and david-lyle aren't around today to see what works for them15:14
sjmc7maybe try asking in the sl room later today15:15
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TravTyeah... or we could schedule in next week's meeting.15:15
sjmc7it’d be good to get some other eyes on the pile of reviews15:15
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TravTdefinitely15:15
TravTok, so i will follow up on this, but i'm thinking probably the week after next we should go through them all.15:16
TravTsee what is left for mitaka 315:16
TravTso next...15:17
TravT#topic python-searchlightclient CLI Discussion15:17
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TravTyingjun has three reviews up on the client15:17
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TravTthe command structure was based on some initial input primarily from me15:18
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TravTand after going through them yesterday i saw some opportunity for improvement15:18
yingjun#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/searchlight-cli-brainstorming15:18
TravTthanks yingjun15:18
TravTso, let's just walk through it and get it settled in this meeting15:19
sjmc7ok15:19
sjmc7we can always make changes later, too - it doesn’t have to be exactly right first time15:20
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yingjunso Base plugin name?15:21
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TravTokay, my wifi is being really flaky15:21
TravTdid i miss anything since 08:19?15:21
sjmc7nothing useful15:22
TravTi suppose that's my time zone...15:22
TravTso, yesterday i organized and put some questions on there.15:22
sjmc7so for the ‘first’ patch (260899)15:22
sjmc7your suggestion is to use ‘openstack search query ‘{json blob}’ or ‘openstack search query-string “search string”’15:23
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sjmc7i think i’m ok with that; it does differ fairly radically from how most of the other OSC commands are structured but i think that’s unavoidable15:24
RickA-HPSteve, for your first example, did you mean "query --query-string '{json blob}'" ?15:24
TravTokay, that's the 3rd patch15:24
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sjmc7:)  ok, sorry - which one should we look at first15:25
TravTline 24 in etherpad15:25
sjmc7openstack search i’m definitely ok with15:25
TravTok yes, question 115:25
TravTopenstack search vs openstack searchlight15:26
TravTlooks like we have 3 +1's for openstack search15:26
sjmc7it should definitely be the thing it does, not the project name15:26
TravTespecially in case we ever get hit with some name trademark issue15:26
RickA-HPI vote for "openstack search" also.15:27
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TravTok, rick, if you want to add +1 to the etherpad, that'd be great!15:27
TravTquestion 215:27
TravTFor commands like facet-list and query-string, what option should be used to limit the resource types being searched?15:27
sjmc7—type is what we’ve used in the query structure already15:27
yingjun+1 for --type15:28
TravTit would be a lot easier to type!15:28
RickA-HPWill there ever be other types besides resources?15:29
sjmc7all types will always be uniquely named15:29
sjmc7depending on what we call a ‘resource’, maybe - but not in the near future15:29
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TravTwhatever we do, we should make it consistent with searchlight manage.15:30
TravT(which isn't too late to change)15:30
TravTcurrently it is15:30
TravTsearchlight-manage index sync --type OS::Glance::Image15:30
sjmc7well, we should make it consistent with the query language15:31
TravTthat is true as well15:31
sjmc7we’ve used “type” everywhere15:31
TravTwe should type to match up with the ES "type"15:31
TravTs/should/used15:31
TravTfor better or worse15:31
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sjmc7let’s go with type15:32
TravTRickA-HP: point taken about the namespacing of type, which is why i was kind of on the fence, but from a pure ease of use, --type really is a lot nicer to use repeatedly15:32
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sjmc7that does roll into a question i had though - if we add ‘type’ as a separate param (whatever we call it)15:33
RickA-HPIn that case, we should be more unix-like and use "typ" :)15:33
sjmc7do we also add things like ‘sort’, ‘size’ ?15:33
TravT-t or --type  :)15:33
sjmc7making the argument to ‘query’ just be the “query” part of the JSON payload that’s sent to the API?15:34
TravThmm, that's a good question.15:34
sjmc7{“query”: {“query-string”: “something”}, “order”: “id”, “size”: 1}   == openstack search query-string “something” —order id —size 1 ?15:34
TravTthere are some "standard" openstack CLI options for things like sort15:35
TravTwhich are simply not as powerful as what you can do with native ES15:35
TravTi was thinking that we could support a simplified CLI structure for search as well that wouldn't require all the nasty json query15:36
sjmc7well, our “—order” could be —order ‘{“field”: “id”, “order”: “desc”}'15:36
sjmc7E-S supports “order”: “-id”15:36
sjmc7for descending15:36
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sjmc7we could support multiple arguments too, that’d cover all the useful cases15:36
sjmc7i’ll add something to the etherpad15:38
TravTso, i think we should have an ability for somebody not versed in ES to still do cross resource searching with simple options15:38
sjmc7though i think it’s “sort” in e-s, keep misremembering15:39
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TravTsomething like15:39
TravTopenstack search faceted-query --type OS::Glance::Image --container-format raw --and-visibility shared --or-visibility public15:39
RickA-HPIt's "sort"15:40
TravTwhere the above are <tab> completed15:40
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TravTsee lines 37 - 4515:40
TravTon etherpad15:40
sjmc7ah, i scrolled down and saw that bit :)15:40
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TravTthat would be complementary to being able to just send in native syntax15:40
sjmc7so anything that’s not recognized as one of the top level things gets munged into a query_string i guess?15:41
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sjmc7oh, the leading —and —or . yeah, i can see that15:41
RickA-HPIf the user can specify both, do we need to be concerned with the case where the query JSON conflicts with the options?15:42
sjmc7handling ‘and’ and ‘or’ might get a bit weird15:42
TravTwell, that where i was thinking15:42
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TravTopenstack search query --query-string    OR   openstack search query15:43
TravTfor the native queries15:43
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TravTand a different command for the tab assist one15:43
TravTopenstack search faceted-query15:43
TravTjust as a brainstorming idea15:44
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yingjunis —query-string optional?15:46
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sjmc7i’d be fine providing openstach search query <json blob>  and openstack search query-string “string” for now15:46
sjmc7along with the optional params15:46
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TravTahh... so query is just native syntax15:47
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RickA-HPOr do we think there will be other options for "openstack search query"?15:47
sjmc7yeah15:47
TravTeven if we someday support something other than ES15:47
TravTthen it is very portable15:47
TravTthere could be a --syntax option later if needed for syntax negotiation15:48
TravTand openstack search query-string internally wraps it15:49
TravTso:15:49
TravTopenstack search query '{ "query": { {"term": {"name": "something"}}}'15:50
TravTor some nastiness like that15:50
TravTand then15:50
TravTopenstack search query-string "name: foo AND tag: database"15:51
TravTin ES query-string accepted format15:51
sjmc7yes. although i think the leading “query” could be left off in the first instance15:51
sjmc7maybe the CLI adds it if it’s not there15:51
TravTthe other way would be15:51
RickA-HPI would reverse the commands. I think "query" would be the generic type and query-string would be the specific JSON object.15:52
TravTopenstack search query --native <json nasty>15:52
TravTopenstack search query --query-string <nicer string>15:52
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TravTrick, i'm using query string to match to the ES specific type of search15:53
RickA-HPI like having a single query command with options associated with it. Insted of having multiple types of query commands.15:53
TravThttps://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/query-dsl-query-string-query.html15:54
sjmc7option 3 - let the client figure it out :)15:54
RickA-HPI know, I always tr yto decouple an interface from a specific back-end technology :)15:54
sjmc7if it’s JSON, it’s a query15:54
sjmc7or even simpler, if it ends and/or starts with brackets, it’s an attempt at a query15:54
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TravTRickA-HP: the decouple part is where the tab complete comes in i think15:55
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TravTwith the openstack search faceted-query idea i mentioned earlier15:55
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TravTotherwise, we can just have the available options (--query-string, --simple-query-string) come from the supported search provider15:56
TravTand --native is no parsing15:56
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TravTokay, almost out of time. I think we should jump to the room to finish this part of the discussion.15:57
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TravTbut from a summary15:57
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TravTit seems that this patch is ready except for some confusion i have on making it work with devstack15:58
TravThttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/24907615:58
TravTand this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255027/15:58
TravTjust needs --resource changed to --type15:59
TravTand we need to continue discussion in #openstack-searchlight15:59
TravTok?15:59
RickA-HPSounds good.15:59
yingjunok15:59
TravTthanks. i'll end meeting here and see you there. :)15:59
TravT#endmeeting16:00
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odyssey4me#topic Agenda & rollcall16:02
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michaelguginoI'm here for the ansible meeting16:02
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javeriakhere16:03
alextricity25here16:03
mattt\o16:03
jmccroryhere16:03
odyssey4me#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting16:03
michaelguginohere16:03
cloudnullo/16:03
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odyssey4mehi everyone, welcome back from the holidays - I hope everyone managed to have a good time, spend some time with family, etc16:05
odyssey4meplenty of eating, drinking and merrying16:05
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alextricity25:)16:06
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odyssey4me#topci Review action items16:06
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odyssey4me#topic Review action items16:07
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odyssey4meclearly my brain is not quite working :p16:07
odyssey4me#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-12-17-16.01.html16:07
alextricity25it's all that merrying16:07
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odyssey4memy bad, I didn't release immediately after the meeting - then the gate broke spectacularly over the holidays16:07
odyssey4meso 11.2.7 is still outstanding, but the next liberty tag was done16:08
odyssey4me11.2.7 should be in a position to be released probably tomorrow - just waiting for one unblocking patch, and then the rest of the approved patches to merge afterwards16:09
odyssey4me#topic Mid-Cycle Meetup16:09
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odyssey4meDid everyone see the update about the mid cycle being partially done at the Ops mid cycle in MAnchester, then a day after that at the Rackspace UK office16:10
odyssey4meAnsiblefest in London is the day after that16:10
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odyssey4meI need to get some numbers and confirm names to ensure that we can arrange access and connectivity - any suggestions regarding how we collect that info?16:11
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alextricity25I got to take a look. I highly doubt I'll be there, though :/16:11
odyssey4meMaybe an eventbrite ticket?16:11
cloudnullodyssey4me:  creating an enventbrite meetup may be the best way to go16:11
spotzeventbrite works nicely, we used it for the barbican midcycle16:11
odyssey4mealextricity25 it's a triple whammy - ops mid cycle, OSA mid cycle and Ansiblefest... who can refuse such a travel request? ;)16:11
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alextricity25odyssey4me: I could give you my managers email16:12
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alextricity25hahaha16:12
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odyssey4me:)16:12
spotzooh could we vidyo the rackspace office day?16:12
alextricity25I'll definitely ask to see if it's possible16:12
alextricity25+1 on the eventbrite idea16:13
evrardjpI doubt I can be there but the vidyo sounds good16:13
evrardjpI'll try to send one of my colleagues if possible16:13
odyssey4mespotz we could try and arrange something like that - that'll be a nice way to include some of the US/AU folk who'd like to pop in and out as we go16:13
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odyssey4me#action odyssey4me to arrange an eventbrite event for the OSA mid cycle attendance register16:14
spotzthanks odyssey4me16:14
odyssey4me#action odyssey4me to try and arrange Vidyo conference facility for the OSA mid cycle room16:14
matttvideo would be good -- always nice to put a face to names16:14
evrardjpodyssey4me: please inform the lists that the eventbrite event is created too :)16:14
cloudnullmaybe we can broadcast on youtube live16:15
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evrardjpinstant 1M views win.16:15
odyssey4me#action odyssey4me to remind the ML about the mid cycle and provide eventbrite details in the reminder16:16
evrardjpodyssey4me: thanks :)16:16
odyssey4meany questions or comments on the mid cycle?16:16
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palendaeNone here16:17
palendaeNot sure I'll make it16:17
evrardjpnone for now, maybe please also mention the etherpads in communications ?16:17
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evrardjp(if any)16:17
jmccroryit's limited to 100 people so make sure to purchase ticket16:18
odyssey4meoh yes, that reminds me - the ops mid cycle is looking for people to volunteer to present or facilitate workshops16:18
odyssey4megenerally speaking they can relate to anything ops would be interested in16:18
odyssey4mewe're also looking for proposals16:18
odyssey4meI'll send those details in the reminder email too16:18
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odyssey4me#action odyssey4me to include etherpad links for talk proposals in the reminder email16:19
alextricity25is the ops mid cycle an openstack thing?16:19
alextricity25or an OSA thing?16:19
alextricity25i've never heard of this event16:19
palendaealextricity25: ops mid cycle has been an openstack thing16:19
palendaeOSA's joining up this year16:19
odyssey4methe ops mid cycle is the OpenStack Operators Mid Cycle - not OSA at all, just one of our friend groups in the OpenStack community16:19
palendaeFirst OSA midcycle16:19
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alextricity25Ohhh neat16:20
alextricity25thanks for the info :)16:20
palendaeHappens to be convenient to combine16:20
odyssey4meit's great for us to learn from the challenges Operators are facing so that we can add things that help resolve those... but it's also a good place for us to contribute back to them and to contribute to OpenStack development in general16:21
cloudnull++16:21
alextricity25That makes a lot of sense. Especially for OSA.16:21
odyssey4mewe're in a great position to facilitate Ops<->Dev comms16:21
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palendaeYep, absolutely16:22
palendaeA great week for OSA, having a foot in operations and Ansible16:22
alextricity25I feel like a workshop on debugging openstack issues with OSA would be cool16:22
alextricity25showing log stuff, using ansible to access several nodes, etc..16:23
odyssey4mealextricity25 why don't you propose that - then inform your boss that you're presenting :)16:23
alextricity25:D16:23
odyssey4meotherwise propose that as a presentation for the Austin summit :)16:24
spotzYeah that'd be great for summit16:24
evrardjpor both16:24
odyssey4me++ evrardjp16:24
alextricity25Oh i'lll definitely be there. Austin is just 1hr from me16:24
spotzOr add in Ansible's conference and all 3:)16:24
mcarden+1 on that as a summit idea16:24
odyssey4mehahaha16:24
odyssey4mealright, switching topics quickly16:25
mattti'd sit in on that, i still have no idea how logging works in openstack-ansible16:25
mattt:)16:25
odyssey4me#topic Release Planning and Decisions16:25
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odyssey4methe current plan is to release mitaka-2, liberty 12.0.4 and kilo 11.2.7 next week after the thu meeting16:26
odyssey4medoes anyone want a release sooner for any particular reason?16:26
matttodyssey4me: not i16:27
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odyssey4meare there any specific bugs that anyone wants to raise which they really, really need included in the release?16:28
cloudnulli have nothing16:28
evrardjpbugs that need included in the release? no thank you!16:29
odyssey4meok, good - then it's business as usual until next week16:29
cloudnullevrardjp: lololol16:29
prometheanfirecya :P16:29
michaelguginoI have one small one16:29
odyssey4memichaelgugino ok?16:30
michaelguginonot really a bug in the software per se, but the release numbers don't track in the pip repos.16:30
michaelguginothat creates breakage for people using the software.16:30
odyssey4memichaelgugino how do you mean?16:30
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michaelguginohttp://rpc-repo.rackspace.com/os-releases/16:30
michaelguginothat has no 12.0.316:30
michaelguginotrying to follow the docs and setting that as the url, liberty cannot pull pip packages16:31
cloudnullah fair point, I think we've fallen behind in updating those16:31
cloudnullmichaelgugino:  i can push updates to that repo16:31
odyssey4memichaelgugino RPC is not tracking Liberty yet, which is why the repo has no builds for Liberty16:31
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michaelguginoright, but the docs instruct the user to use that url16:31
odyssey4meah, we should remove that16:32
matttmichaelgugino: you familiar w/ the process of building this stuff locally?16:32
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michaelguginoI have not built the pip repos, not really sure how that part works16:32
odyssey4meI have another plan, which is to publish the repo to tarballs.openstack.org after every successful build. I'm discussing that with -infra as I don't think they have exactly what we need in place.16:33
michaelguginoI just set user variable:  openstack_release: liberty16:33
odyssey4memichaelgugino instead of running repo-clone, you run repo-build16:33
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matttmichaelgugino: it's a pretty long-running task (takes maybe 30 mins?) but i prefer to have all this stuff in my environment16:33
odyssey4memichaelgugino the repo-install playbook does this automatically in Liberty+16:34
michaelguginoI understand, I can make it work, that's not the issue.  Just saying, the documents are off or that rpc repo should be updated.16:34
matttmichaelgugino: makes sense16:34
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odyssey4meyeah, that is true - if someone could prep a patch that'd be great!16:35
odyssey4me:)16:35
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michaelguginowhat is the preferred fix?16:35
cloudnulli will update the rpc repo right now16:35
michaelguginoinsist the user runs repo-build?16:35
odyssey4methe docs fix for now would be to inform the user that they should execute repo-install and it will build the repo locally16:35
michaelguginook, I will do that.16:35
cloudnullrepo-clone will work once we update the repo or if the user has a self hosted repo elsewheree .16:36
odyssey4methat fix will apply to master, and should be backported to liberty16:36
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michaelguginosounds good.16:36
odyssey4mecloudnull yeah, but for instructions to use those we have to ensure that we're consistenly updating the rpc-repo... this is why I'd like to automate that in OpenStack's CI16:37
cloudnulli'd be nice to see if we, OSA, can get space within infra where we push a built set16:37
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odyssey4me:) working on it16:37
cloudnullwhat odyssey4me said16:37
odyssey4meis vdo around?16:37
odyssey4meit appears not16:37
odyssey4mehe was going to present the intent of adding 'Midonet plugin support' to the Neutron service in OpenStack-Ansible16:38
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cloudnullthat'd be interesting16:38
odyssey4mea general reminder about the design work etherpads that are up in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting16:38
odyssey4mewe're still looking for a leader for the multi-OS support :)16:39
odyssey4me#topic Open discussion16:39
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michaelguginoI'm interested in the Multi-OS support, and systemd support.16:40
odyssey4memichaelgugino please add your name to the etherpad16:40
michaelguginoI don't now if I can be a leader but I'd like to contribute to those efforts.16:40
cloudnullmichaelgugino: ++ that'd be awesome16:41
odyssey4memichaelgugino we're happy to be of support to anyone leading the effort, so all it'll take is someone with the inclination and time to research, review and submit reviews16:41
michaelguginoI'm looking to have my org adopt 16.04 asap16:41
pabelangerI wanted to actually talk about the mission statement for openstack ansible.  And was curious if the team is open to the idea of adding more ansible roles for OpenStack Infra projects.16:41
pabelangerEG: ansible-role-nodepool16:41
michaelguginoand we're going to be relying heavily on ansible, so it make sense to contribute the work here.16:42
cloudnullmichaelgugino: i'd be happy to help out on that effort. i also know prometheanfire has been working on that front too16:42
odyssey4memichaelgugino then perhaps you can take up the systemd work soon with prometheanfire16:42
michaelguginoI looked at some of the work that has already been done regarding RHEL/Centos using different playbooks16:42
prometheanfireya16:43
odyssey4mepabelanger we'll circle back to your topic shortly16:43
prometheanfirecould probably work on that16:43
michaelguginoI just wanted to get an idea of what general direction we should go, different playbooks / roles, or converged with lots of log?16:43
michaelgugino*logic16:43
prometheanfirealso, want to get gentoo support now that gentoo is in diskimage-builder16:43
odyssey4memichaelgugino we have some patterns already, for example in the bootstrap-host role16:43
odyssey4meso generally same roles, with some logic16:43
odyssey4meif things get too onerous we can re-evaluate16:44
michaelguginosounds good.  Do we want to continue to deploy containers in trusty, or update containers as well?16:44
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odyssey4memichaelgugino I'd suggest breaking up the work into pieces - host first, then containers16:44
michaelguginoI was thinking, start at host level and work up16:44
michaelguginook, cool.16:44
cloudnullmichaelgugino:  i did some work a while back on rhel support, which included systemd, https://github.com/cloudnull/os-ansible-deployment/tree/master-rhel but there wasn't enough interest in bringing that in as something OSA supports.16:45
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cloudnullbut with more interested folks maybe we can get it though16:45
odyssey4memichaelgugino it sounds to me like you have enough motivation and could lead the charge16:45
matttit's going to be tricky if we support multiple ubuntu releases, red hat, etc.16:45
odyssey4methe details so far are in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-multi-os-support16:45
michaelguginomy org will be running ubuntu only for now, so while I don't have much interest in RHEL support directly, I believe both will be using systemd, so two birds with one stone, mostly16:45
cloudnullmichaelgugino: they will both use systemd16:46
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odyssey4meok, so at least part of the work - ok, that's good16:46
cloudnullso if we support one, we will mostly have support for the other16:46
odyssey4mehow do you feel about putting together a spec to outline how you expect to do the work?16:46
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michaelguginoI think I can do that.16:47
odyssey4meawesome :)16:47
palendaeWe've talked before that 16.04's gonna need systemd16:47
palendaeSo multi-OS is great for even just Ubuntu16:47
odyssey4me#action michaelgugino to put together a spec to add systemd support16:47
cloudnullwe have this spec for systemd, it may need to be updated https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-specs/blob/master/specs/mitaka/add-support-for-systemd.rst16:47
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odyssey4mecloudnull good point - perhaps the spec just needs a patch to update it with a little more meat16:48
cloudnull++16:48
cloudnullmaybe a new spec altogether.16:48
michaelguginoI'm assuming we would want it fact based, not user var based.16:48
michaelguginosupport for hybrid deployment, some systemd, some upstart, etc.16:48
odyssey4memichaelgugino yes, I think so16:48
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prometheanfireas much as possible16:48
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odyssey4mewe'll have to maintain support for Ubuntu 14.04 for another two cycles at least16:49
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cloudnullmichaelgugino: yes i think so16:49
pabelangerodyssey4me: okay, no rush. We can talk about it after the meeting too. Just wanted to raise the topic.  I have to drop in about 5 mins16:49
odyssey4meok, let's switch briefly to pabelanger's topic then16:49
michaelguginoafter pabelanger, I wanted to bring up dvr support for neutron :)16:49
prometheanfireI do think switching as much as we can to systemd would be good (agnostic wise)16:49
odyssey4mepabelanger has been working on a variety of roles which implement OpenStack-CI tooling16:50
pabelangerindeed16:50
odyssey4mepabelanger can you tell us a bit about what you've done16:50
pabelangerso, far I have 4 projects that I have imported upstream, but they are unofficial at the moment. That include ansible-role-nodepool, ansible-role-zuul, ansible-role-jenkins-job-builder and ansible-role-diskimage-builder16:51
cloudnullmichaelgugino:  this had been my approach in the pash https://github.com/cloudnull/os-ansible-deployment/blob/master-rhel/playbooks/roles/os_glance/tasks/glance_init.yml#L16-L3416:51
cloudnull*past16:51
pabelangerI have more roles locally, but holding off on moving them upstream until I can figure out the best place to have them become official projects.16:51
pabelangerSo, because we both use ansible, I thought it might be a good place to create a sub team or add them to this team16:51
odyssey4mepabelanger do they need to be official, or are you just looking for more participants in the development and review process?16:52
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pabelangerodyssey4me: Ya, so I would like them to be under big tent, which like you said adds more reviewers and users.16:52
pabelangerSo, don't feel you need to include them here, if they are not a good fit. I just wanted to have a little discussion about seeing if it is a good idea or not16:53
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odyssey4meany thoughts from everyone about this?16:53
pabelangerI suspect I will need to go to TC eventually and see what works better for the OpenStack project in general16:53
pabelangerSince more and more people are consuming ansible and more roles will be uploaded16:53
odyssey4meI'd like to look into how other projects have implemented sub-teams, and I'd also like to ensure that we define the roles in such a way that we don't conflict with -infra.16:54
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michaelguginoI'm sure my team would be interested in deploying Openstack-CI with those playbooks.16:54
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pabelangerodyssey4me: right, last I talked to -infra, they didn't want to include the roles there, since they use puppet16:54
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pabelangerbut I agree16:55
odyssey4megenerally I think it's useful to have these tools in the toolbox and they're especially useful for anyone who wants to deploy their own CI infrastructure in a way that's similar to OpenStack-CI16:55
odyssey4meso if we frame the roles for use in external CI, then I think we remove the conflict16:55
pabelangerRight, and I don't know if that means a new project (PTL) or moving it under some sort of sub team here16:56
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odyssey4mepabelanger I think perhaps we should let the idea bake for a week and discuss it again next week.16:56
pabelangerWFM16:56
pabelangerthanks for talking about it!16:57
odyssey4memeanwhile, let's get more familiar with how sub teams work and all that, so that we're a little more informed16:57
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odyssey4mewe're almost out of time - does anyone else want to raise something specific before we end?16:57
michaelguginoDoes anyone have any problems with supporting dvn neutron networking?16:58
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michaelguginoI'd like to submit some blueprints and start working on that soon as well.16:58
odyssey4meI encourage everyone to head back to #openstack-ansible to continue discussions16:58
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cloudnulldvn?16:58
michaelgugino*dvr16:58
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odyssey4memichaelgugino as far as I know, DVR doesn't work with linuxbridge16:58
cloudnullw/ ovs16:58
odyssey4me(yet)16:58
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michaelguginoMy team is willing to put in the work to make DVR work, if you guys are willing to merge the patches16:59
cloudnullmichaelgugino: I have no issues with that being done.16:59
odyssey4mewe are, most definitely, happy to merge the patches16:59
odyssey4meif OVS support is added as part of the process, that's cool too16:59
michaelguginogreat.  We've already started manually integrating with OSA, but haven't done anything with playbooks.16:59
odyssey4mealright, we're out of time - continue in #openstack-ansible16:59
odyssey4methank you all for your time16:59
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cloudnullcheers!17:00
odyssey4me#endmeeting17:00
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cathy__#start_meeting service_chaining17:00
vikramhi17:00
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cathy__#startmeeting service_chaining17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 14 17:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cathy__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
pcarverhi, I can only be here for 10-15 minutes. I need to leave for a conflict.17:00
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cathy__pcarver: hi17:00
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vikramcathy_: hi17:00
cathy__pabelanger: ok17:00
cathy__vikram: hi17:01
cathy__pcarver: ok17:01
cathy__LouisF: raofei hi17:01
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cathy__any topic you could like to discuss?17:01
cathy__Swami: hi17:01
vikramsome updates on horizon and heat patch17:02
cathy__vikram: ok17:02
LouisFhi17:02
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cathy__#topic update on horizon and heat17:02
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vikrammohankumar will  be able to post the patch by next week17:02
Swamicathy__:hi17:02
pcarverThere's some Gerrit problem with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249488/17:02
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vikramfacing some issues with getting all the code inside networking-sfc repo17:02
cathy__pcarver: let me take a look at the link17:03
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hdanielcathy__, LouisF , vikram , pcarver , pabelanger : hi17:03
cathy__hdaniel: hi17:03
vikramhdaniel: welcome ;)17:03
hdanielcathy__: thanks :)17:03
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hdanielif you guys don't mind /me snooping around - I'd appreciate some help when you're done17:04
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cathy__pcarver: vikram seems some problem with Gerrit?17:04
cathy__pcarver: I see that +2 and workflow has been approved, but it is still not merged17:04
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pcarvercathy__: correct17:04
vikramcathy__: yup17:04
LouisFpcarver: yes17:05
vikrammay be we can seek infra teams help17:05
cathy__pcarver: vikram is someone in OpenStack working on this Gerrit issue?17:05
cathy__vikram: yes17:05
vikram#openstack-infra17:05
cathy__vikram: would you like to let the infra team know this problem?17:05
vikramsure i will17:06
cathy__vikram: thanks!17:06
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vikramcathy__: welcome17:06
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cathy__#action vikram will talk with openstack_infra team on the Gerrit problem for the patch and "can not getting all the code inside networking-sfc repo" issues17:07
cathy__vikram: Is Mohan going to post horizon and heat patches next week?17:08
vikramcathy__: yes he will ...17:08
cathy__vikram: great. Could you get some core members of Horizon and Heat to review them?17:08
vikramcathy__: working around how to resolve dependencies to move the code in networking-sfc repo17:08
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cathy__vikram: I see some discussion on this in the alias some time back.17:09
prithivhllo17:09
cathy__vikram: Is there final consensus on how to do this for sub-projects?17:09
cathy__prithiv: hi17:09
vikramcathy__: develope inside your repo17:09
vikramcathy__: BTW, merge issue is resolved ..17:10
cathy__pcarver: since you need to leave early, do you have topic you would like to discuss?17:10
cathy__vikram: oh, great!17:10
vikramhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/249488/ can't merge because it's parent is under review17:10
pcarvercathy__: Nothing really. I had a few comments on the FC API and they're in Gerrit now.17:11
vikramhttps://review.openstack.org/gitweb?p=openstack/networking-sfc.git;a=commit;h=2c4a9bb8313102c16a1816fd1d965ad2c9d0763b17:11
vikramis the parent17:11
cathy__vikram: what is this parent?17:11
cathy__cathy__: I see that you are the author17:12
cathy__vikram: I see that you are the author17:12
vikramcathy__: Parent patch is still under review17:12
cathy__pcarver: good. Could you review the OVS driver and OVS agent patches as soon as possible?17:12
vikramRealizing SFC: OVS Agent and OVS17:12
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cathy__pcarver: In our last meeting, we agreed to get these patches merged by this week:-)17:13
vikram;-)17:13
vikramcathy__: I have a question17:13
cathy__vikram: go ahead17:14
vikramcathy__: Are we planning to have API/Functional tests17:14
vikramI can't find them17:14
pcarvercathy__: will do. Too many all day meetings this week, but tomorrow is a lighter schedule17:14
cathy__pcarver: great, Thanks!17:14
cathy__vikram: Do you mean end-to-end functional tests?17:15
pcarvergot to go. I'll read the rest of the meeting log later.17:15
cathy__pcarver: ok, bye17:15
vikramcathy__: yes17:15
vikramcathy__: + API endpoint tests17:16
cathy__vikram: yes, we have conducted end-to-end functional tests last two months and have updated patches to fix bugs we found.17:16
vikramcathy__: In neutron we write API test for new API's17:16
cathy__vikram: now if you download the latest patches, they should work very well and smooth17:16
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vikramcathy__: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/tree/master/neutron/tests/api17:17
vikramcathy__: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/tree/master/neutron/tests/functional17:17
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cathy__vikram: For API UT, we have uploaded testing scripts. Let me take a look at the links17:17
vikramcathy__: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/tree/master/neutron/tests/fullstack17:17
hdanielguys, is there a regular communication channel for the project ?17:18
cathy__vikram: I will take a more detail look into these after the meeting17:18
vikramcathy__: sure17:19
vikramcathy__: We got to review "17:19
vikramAgent specific API for L2 agent extensions"17:19
cathy__hdaniel: not really, but people sent emails if having questions.17:19
vikramproposed by Ihar "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263819/"17:19
vikramthis i important for us w.r.t. using L2 agent code...17:20
vikram*is17:20
vikramcathy__: I hope you remember this..17:20
cathy__vikram: yes, I know that. We just have not got time to do it yet since we have been busy with fixing bugs in OVS Agent patch,.17:20
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cathy__vikram: we will get to review it next week17:21
vikramcathy__: great17:21
cathy__raofei is expert on OVS agent and is a key contributor to our OVS agent codes17:21
cathy__raofei: could you review the L2 agent extension as soon as possible?17:21
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vikramcathy__: What is the plan for getting this merged in neutron.. or we continue as a stadium project..17:23
cathy__I will review too. Other people in the team, please review it if you have time.17:23
vikramcathy__: I will have a look this weekend17:23
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cathy__vikram: we will continue as a stadium project since this is not a small feature17:23
vikramcathy__: +100017:24
cathy__vikram: great, thanks!17:24
raofeisure, i will review L2 agent extension. this is a good idea.17:24
cathy__raofei: thanks!17:24
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raofeimany L2 feature need this extension.17:25
cathy__vikram: could you please review the OVS driver and OVS agent this week so that we can get these patches merged as everyone agreed in our last meeting?17:25
vikramraofei: I agree17:25
vikramcathy__: I will .. Sorry for the delay from my end17:25
cathy__vikram: no problem. Appreciate it. I know if will be your weekend time soon:-)17:26
vikramcathy__: Will do it on priority17:26
cathy__vikram: thanks!17:26
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cathy__#topic bugs17:26
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cathy__prithiv: wrt the bugs you reported, have you got a chance to try the latest codes? Those problems should be gone if you use the latest codes17:27
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vikrambug-id?17:28
vikramcathy__: Bug-Id?17:28
cathy__https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc17:28
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cathy__prithiv: are you still there?17:29
hdanielcathy__:  what branch/ref should be used now as the latest ?17:29
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prithivyes17:29
prithivi am still facing the issue cathy17:29
prithivi tried with patch set 1517:29
cathy__LouisF: could you help post the link to the latest codes for hdaniel?17:30
cathy__prithiv: which one are you facing?17:30
prithivi mean, about flow classifier issue in the multi node setup17:30
prithivi will close the port-chain-update today...17:30
cathy__prithiv: I am checking patch set 15 now17:32
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LouisFhdaniel: the installation is posted at the wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/ServiceInsertionAndChaining17:32
hdanielLouisF: yeah, I used that. thanks - thought there's something I miss out.17:33
LouisFhdaniel: that is the latest procedure17:33
cathy__prithiv: when you say patch set 15, which patch are you referring to?17:33
LouisFprithiv: does the FC work correctly with single node setup?17:34
prithivyes it did17:34
cathy__prithiv: we tried it and it worked fine.17:35
hdanielLouisF: and I understand that it's supposed to be merged into master at some point ?17:35
prithivhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/249488/17:35
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prithivas per the steps provided in wiki i used this patch17:35
LouisFprithiv: can you send me dump-flows -Oopenflow13 and dump-groups -Oopenflow13 for br-int for both single and mult-node17:35
cathy__prithiv: OK. for the OVS driver patch and OVS agent patch, are you using the latest ?17:36
LouisFalso the dump-flows for br-tun for the mutli-node case17:36
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prithivi have sent the dump-flows for multiple node yesterday to you, cathy and xiaodong… i will send the dump group for multiple and single node in a while17:36
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cathy__prithiv: so for single node, it works fine, right?17:38
prithivyes.. so far, i didnt see any issue in single node for various scenarios i have tested17:38
cathy__prithiv: OK, we will take a look at the dump you sent after the meeting.17:39
cathy__any other topic you would like to discuss today?17:39
vikrami have none17:40
hdanielcathy__: yeah, I have a quick question17:40
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cathy__hdaniel: sure17:40
cathy__hdaniel: shoot17:40
hdanielcathy__: if I'd like to add some features to the classifier, which branch/ref should I use ?17:40
LouisFprithiv: is import to do the -Oopenflow13 for the dump-flows because it appears that the group-related rules are missing from the dump-flows you sent17:41
cathy__hdaniel: are these features for SFC?17:41
LouisFimportant17:41
hdanielcathy__: yep,17:41
cathy__hdaniel: or for generic FC usage?17:41
hdanielcathy__: I had in mind of adding IP tos/dscp marking classification caps17:41
hdanielcathy__: for the steering17:41
cathy__hdaniel: Ok, that is good. we have extensions for FC.17:42
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hdanielcathy__: great. so should I just base the work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249488/ ?17:42
cathy__hdaniel: for this first release which is near, we won't have time to include the extensions. But we can include this in the next release.17:42
cathy__hdaniel: make sense to you?17:43
hdanielcathy__: when are you planning on the release ?17:43
LouisFhdaniel: can that be done after we complete the first release?17:43
hdanielLouisF: ^17:43
cathy__hdaniel: The sooner, the better, latest with Mitaka cycle since many people are asking for the official release.17:44
LouisFhdaniel: M217:44
hdanielcathy__, LouisF: I see. so I can focus on the dev without expecting it to be merged. sounds fair ?17:44
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cathy__hdaniel: sure!17:44
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hdanielcathy__: great. thanks17:45
vikramhdaniel: can do a initial write to know what you exactly want?17:45
hdanielvikram: sure, will do17:45
LouisFhdaniel: we expect the flow-classifier to evolve significantly over the next cycle17:45
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hdanielLouisF: I'd be more than happy to contribute to it :)17:45
cathy__hdaniel: we also have plan to evolve the FC into a common FC in Neutron which can be used for features other than SFC.17:46
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vikramLouisF: I also have few things in my mind to add ;-)17:46
cathy__vikram: go ahead17:46
vikramcathy__: there is a separate project for that now ;-)17:46
vikramneutron-classifier17:46
cathy__vikram: OK17:47
LouisFhdaniel: vikram we can have a planning session after the release17:47
vikramhttps://github.com/openstack/neutron-classifier17:47
vikramLouisF: Sure17:47
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hdanielLouisF: sure, great17:47
cathy__Cool. any other topic you have in mind?17:47
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vikramOne announcement17:48
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vikramWe tested the SFC NBI's with ONOS it works fine ;)17:49
LouisFjust ask everyone to review and +117:49
cathy__vikram: great news! Way to go!17:49
LouisFvikram: are you plannng to add the onos driver?17:49
vikramLouisF: Yes17:49
vikramhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/266797/17:50
vikramonce networking-sfc is released we can also release networking-onos17:50
cathy__vikram: we will review it17:50
vikramcathy__: thanks17:51
cathy__vikram: yes!17:51
LouisFvikram: great! we can add details to the wiki17:51
vikramLouisF: Sure!...17:51
igordcard_sorry vikram: you mean ONOS NBI with networking-sfc or networking-sfc SBI with ONOS?17:51
vikramLouisF: Let's wait for ONOS official release to happen17:51
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cathy__igordcard_: it should be networking-sfc SBI with ONOS17:52
LouisFvikram: when will that be?17:52
cathy__vikram: right?17:52
vikramcathy__: you are correct17:52
vikramLouisF: I think next month17:52
LouisFcan you post a link to the onos nbi17:53
vikramLouisF: okay.. once it's officially published I will17:54
cathy__igordcard_: do you know how NSH is going in OVS open source ? When will it be accepted?17:54
igordcard_cathy__: no cathy__ , haven't followed OVS specific progresses17:54
hdanielcathy__: I had a conversation regarding that with OVS guys today.17:55
LouisFhdaniel: and?17:55
cathy__hdaniel: Oh, great. How is it going?17:55
hdanielVXLAN-gpe is planned for next week, nsh is the next to follow17:55
vikramLouisF: https://github.com/opennetworkinglab/onos/tree/master/apps/vtn/sfcmgr/src/main/java/org/onosproject/sfc17:55
LouisFvikram: thanks17:55
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cathy__hdaniel: do you know about when will the NSH codes be officially accepted in OVS?17:56
LouisFhdaniel: so the new nsh  will be decoupled form vxlan encap?17:56
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hdanielcathy__: no sorry :( they're still under review17:56
LouisFhdaniel: do you have a link to the nsh patches for ovs?17:57
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hdanielLouisF: yeah, I have some thread. 1 sec17:57
cathy__hdaniel: why not support NSH over existing VXLAN too? Or it is planned already?17:57
hdanielcathy__: I don't know - I just started the conversation today. can ask that17:57
LouisFcathy__:  the original nsh patch supported nsh over only one encap - vxlan17:58
hdanielLouisF: http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/dev/2015-October/061214.html17:58
LouisFthe new patch will allow nsh over different encaps17:58
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cathy__LouisF: so I hope this original nsh over VXLAN will continue to be supported.17:59
vikramwe are timeout ;-)17:59
vikramonly 1 min17:59
cathy__ok, let's end the meeting.17:59
LouisFcathy__: yes it will17:59
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LouisFplus tlv support as mentioned in that email18:00
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eglutehello, can someone end previous meeting?18:01
eglutecathy__, would you end the meeting?18:02
vikramcathy__:18:02
eglute#endmeeting18:03
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Jan 14 18:03:16 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)18:03
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eglute#startmeeting diversity18:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 14 18:03:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'diversity'18:03
egluteHello Everyone, let me know if you are here for the diversity working group meeting18:03
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cathy___Hi diversity working group, sorry I got disconnected and my #endmeeting does not work:-)18:04
ekhugen_alto/ hi18:04
eglutecathy___ no worries, I ended your meeting, hope it is ok. you are welcome to stay :)18:04
egluteagenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStackDiversity.1918:05
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eglutehello ekhugen_alt!18:05
* cdash Waves18:05
spotzo/18:05
cathy___eglute: thanks.18:05
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egluteHi Everyone, would you also say your name/company? I am not familiar with some IRC handles. I am Egle Sigler, from Rackspace18:06
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spotzAmy Marrich, Rackspace18:06
ekhugen_altEmily Hugenbruch, IBM18:06
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egluteI was really hoping for a larger attendance. I know the last few meetings last year were a little on the slow side18:07
egluteand want to have a good re-start to these meetings18:08
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egluteCarol Barrett from Intel usually leads these meetings. I talked to her before her vacation, and there are several workstreams that are currently in progress18:09
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egluteor need to get started18:09
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eglutecpallares has been working with the foundation on the code of conduct18:10
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egluteif you have not had a chance, please review changes to the current CoC https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CoC18:11
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eglute#topic code of conduct18:11
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egluteI think one of the main changes related to CoC is adding a button for reporting violations.18:12
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eglutedo any of you have comments on the code of conduct? or changes you would like to see?18:14
spotzIf I remember correctly it is a merging of the orginal OpenStack C0C and I'm probably getting this wrong but maybe djangos18:14
eglutei think you are right18:14
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eglutesince neither lsell nor cpallares is here, I need to reach out to them to find out the current status18:16
eglute#action eglute reach out to Cindy and Lauren regarding CoC status18:16
eglutenext work stream is Increasing ease of on-boarding new community members18:16
eglute#topic Increase ease of on-boarding new Community Members18:16
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spotzWoO are doing the Git and Gerrit lunch and learn at summit again18:17
eglutei think that is great18:17
eglutedo you think we should be doing more?18:17
eglutei see thingee mentioned next to this item, but I am not sure if anyone talked to him18:17
spotzThere was talk about possibly doing another day with IRC18:18
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thingeehi18:18
egluteHi!18:18
eglutethingee https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStackDiversity.1918:18
egluteyou are mentioned by workstream 218:18
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thingeeyes, so I think this around the idea of the documentation I *want* to work on for tool chain related stuff18:19
eglutewould you tell us more about it and how we can help?18:20
thingeestarting with IRC then eventually getting into other things like gerrit, git18:20
thingeeIt was a pretty common mention that the current tool chain turns people away from wanting to contribute.18:20
thingeeat the last summit18:20
eglutethingee yes, we saw that in the diversity survey results18:21
thingeeso I've tasked myself with this. I haven't necessarily start any particular chapters, mostly because of honeymoon, holidays, and then having a focus change this month.18:21
thingeeI'd like to expect to have something to show and tell soon :)18:21
* eglute congratulates thingee on honeymoon!18:21
thingeemostly because I'm also organizing the Upstream University at the summit, so I'd like to have this content ready then to18:22
eglutethingee that sounds like a lot of work, do you have people helping you?18:22
thingeethere is also the OpenStack Mentoring sponsored by the women of openstack that might be able to use this information18:22
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thingeeI don't. Mostly because I want to setup the initial docs like with sphinx, the look and feel as an example. Then i can start accepting contributions18:23
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thingeeso mostly blocked on me. =/18:23
eglutei am sure you have multiple other things going too18:24
thingeeindeed18:24
eglutehow could the diversity working group help?18:25
spotzthingee do you want Tamara and I to share with you the content for the lunch and learn once we have it? Less duplication of efforts?18:25
thingeespotz: sure18:25
thingeeeglute: I think it would be great once I have some initial doc written for linux/mac os on setting up irc to get feedback from the group18:25
spotzWill do, we're meeting again today at 318:26
thingeethis of course will be through normal review process18:26
eglutethingee sounds good18:26
thingeespotz: eek, I'm way overbooked today so I won't be able to make it. I only have like two hours to actually do work :)18:26
thingeespotz: but send me whatever I should look for content please :)18:27
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spotzhehehe no worries not sure we'll be up to content but will share our etherpad18:27
thingeespotz: thanks18:27
* thingee also needs to fix his calendar for this event since he apparently has the wrong time.18:28
eglutethank you thingee for working on this. look forward to seeing what you come up with18:28
thingeethanks18:28
egluteif no more comments on this topic, we can move to the next18:28
eglute#topic Reachout to New Diverse Community Members18:29
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egluteis Edgar Magana here? I do not know his IRC handle18:29
eglutethingee do you know Edgar's handle?18:29
thingeenope18:30
thingeeeglute: ah looks like emagana https://launchpad.net/~emagana18:31
egluteok, lets see if he joins later18:31
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eglutethank you thingee!18:31
eglutei pinged him on twitter18:31
eglutesince i dont think he is on irc right now18:32
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thingeeI usually just a google search for 'first/last name openstack launchpad' usually gives something18:32
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eglutethingee good idea, i tried to match something similar to his twitter handle18:32
eglutein any case, we have to work on reaching out to new diverse community members18:33
eglutespotz have you been part of any conversations about it?18:33
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spotzNo I've just been involved from the WoO side and our planning for Austin.18:34
spotzLunch and Learn was way more popular then we'd planned for so are repeating and getting it organized earlier to have pre-reqs out18:34
eglutethat is really good to know. what are you planning for Austin18:35
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spotzThe lunch and learn, friendly faces, possibly mentoring18:36
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spotzThe next Austin planning meeting is next Wednesday18:37
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eglutecool. if there is bandwidth, would be good to have it on more than one day18:37
thingeespotz: do we know what the content is going to be for the mentoring program on sunday before the summit?18:37
thingeespotz: I forgot to ask that in the WoO meeting, but did promote it in the last cross-project meeting18:37
ekhugen_altthingee, spotz, I actually wanted to go over the mentoring program stuff with the austin planning group18:38
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emaganaAm I too late?18:38
egluteno you are not!18:38
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eglutewe are wrapping up the previous topic actually18:38
ekhugen_altbecause we talked about it at a December WoO meeting, but I wasn't sure if the austin planners got all our room requirements18:38
thingeeekhugen_alt: oh hi! Yes this was actually what I wanted to meet and talk to you about18:39
eglute#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStackDiversity.1918:39
emaganasorry I was dragged into a meeting..18:39
eglutehopefully not this one :)18:39
ekhugen_altoh okay thingee, we can table this for our meeting tomorrow, didn't mean to hijack, sorry18:39
egluteregarding reaching out to new community members18:40
thingeeekhugen_alt: claire is out right now. but we are going to be talking next week. I was trying to figure out how we would promote each event for volunteers in mentors since they overlap18:40
eglutei think the question is, how do we increase diversity in our community in general?18:40
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* thingee stops hijacking the meeting :)18:40
emaganamaybe having a diversity event the day before the summits?18:41
spotzeglute I just had a 'duh' moment. I'll announce the next meeting on the OpenStack Innovation Center channel, see if any are interested18:41
emaganabrainstorming about activities and reachability18:41
egluteemagana there usually is WOO event the day before the summit, maybe there could be some combination of the two18:42
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eglutealso, everyone that is at the summit, already part of the community18:42
emaganaeglute: Yes, I am aware of that.. We can co-host some activities18:42
egluteright, i think that would be good18:42
egluteone thing that I was thinking about, encouraging organizers of other OpenStack events to offer free passes to diverse candidates18:43
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eglutefor example, if there is OpenStack Day San Francisco or similar, ask them to provide some number of free passes18:44
egluteSeattle organizers did that last year18:44
egluteI would also like to see something were companies were encouraged to send more diverse candidates to the summits18:45
egluteusually, most senior people get to go, which does not attract diversity18:45
spotzMaybe a perk if some % of attendees are diverse?18:46
emaganathis is why would be great to have some diverse activities, employees could convince their employees that there is an extra benefit of attending the summits18:46
egluteyes, there would need to be incentives18:46
emaganaand become part of the community18:46
egluteemagana yes, i like that18:46
emaganafree summit pass is not enough to let employees to pay for the summit (hotel, plane, etc)18:46
eglutei like spotz idea of perks for the summit if the company sends enough diverse people18:47
egluteemagana i agree... and i was thinking free passes (not unlimited of course) for smaller events18:47
emaganaeglute: +118:48
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eglutefor summits, i think companies might be interested in getting some type of special badge or flare for their booth if they send enough diverse people18:48
thingeeemagana: these candidates can also do the financial support program.18:48
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eglutei am a big fan of travel support program18:48
emaganasame here... we should increase the number of beneficiaries18:49
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spotzI'm grateful for the travel program:)18:49
egluteok, I will talk to the foundation about the numbers18:49
thingeeperhaps approaching the committee on taking this into consideration18:50
eglute#action eglute to reach out to the foundation about the number of recipients for the travel program18:50
thingeeeglute: while I'm here, what numbers exactly do you need ;)18:50
eglutethingee which committee are you referring to?18:50
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thingeethe one that decides who they accept for support18:50
thingeeoh got it recipients18:51
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egluteregarding the numbers: i would like to know what numbers foundation supported in the past, and whether it was capped at amount of $, or the lack of qualifying applicants18:51
thingeeeglute: sure I can figure that out.18:51
eglutethank you thingee18:52
eglute#action thingee to get numbers and more details about the travel program18:52
eglutewhat does everyone think about encouraging companies to bring more diverse people?18:52
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eglutedo you think it is realistic?18:53
eglutei know that travel is expensive, and each company handles differently who they send18:53
emaganawhat about OpenStack in your Country?18:53
spotzDiversity is a big buzz word so it's possibly though unless it's worth the companies while there are budgets18:53
egluteemagana what do you mean?18:53
thingeeeglute: so my only thought on that is to encourage companies not to have their own separate program just to mkae a bigger splash. Otherwise it's not really community controlled in a way.18:53
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spotzI can't type18:54
emaganahaving them the opportunity to show and talk about how OS is being used in their countries with all the cultural barriers that could be involved18:54
eglutethingee i was thinking of something that would be part of the summit as a whole18:54
thingeeI've had numerous reps from companies ask me to promote their own special program. While it's great they're working towards this common goal, I have no idea about how their program works. It especially makes me a little upset when I've talked to them about outreachy, or other programs and that's their response.18:55
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egluteemagana i like where this is going, are you thinking talking about it during summit, or?18:55
emaganaeglute: this is just right now an idea18:55
emaganaeglute: happy to formalize it and share it in the conference18:56
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eglutethingee thats something to keep in mind. we could a diversity openstack page were companies can brag about how many outreachy people they support as well as how diverse their org is18:56
egluteif companies need to compete against each other, that would be another incentive18:57
spotzAnd special brag blog post or tweet for the diverse companies at Summit18:58
egluteemagana i think it would be good to have something for the summit, as in, encourage companies to bring more diversity, and then maybe we can get 2 minutes during a keynote to talk about it, or something like that18:58
eglutespotz, right18:58
emaganaeglute: awesome!18:58
eglutethis is a really good conversation. we are almost out of time, I will try to follow up with  people tomorrow or early next week18:59
eglutethank you everyone for joining18:59
emaganaThank you!18:59
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eglutehope to continue soon!18:59
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