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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 01:01:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 01:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 01:01 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 01:01 | |
| vishwanathj | o/ | 01:01 |
| sripriya | o/ | 01:01 |
| sridhar_ram | who is here for tacker mtg ? | 01:01 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: sripriya: hi there! | 01:01 |
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| prashantD_ | hi | 01:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | prashantD_: howdy | 01:02 |
| sridhar_ram | lets give few mins, before we start. | 01:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 01:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Dec_16.2C_2015_-_APAC_Timezone | 01:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Annoucements | 01:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Annoucements (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 01:05 | |
| sridhar_ram | Tacker Midcycle meetup is planned for end of Jan 2016 | 01:05 |
| sridhar_ram | this is a F2F meeting to be held in San Jose, CA | 01:06 |
| sridhar_ram | Here is the poll for possible dates - #link http://goo.gl/forms/8hVPXcmoqz | 01:06 |
| sridhar_ram | Please provide your inputs! | 01:07 |
| s3wong | hello | 01:07 |
| sridhar_ram | next.. we are heading towards Holiday season in US | 01:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: hi, we just getting started... | 01:08 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: yes | 01:08 |
| sridhar_ram | I won't be available for next two weeks... | 01:08 |
| sridhar_ram | .. any volunteers to run the mtg ? | 01:08 |
| sridhar_ram | or do think we shd skip next two weekly meeting ? | 01:09 |
| vishwanathj | i vote for skipping | 01:09 |
| sripriya | +1 | 01:09 |
| ksantoshk | +1 | 01:09 |
| vishwanathj | for some of us we can use the time to do some review | 01:09 |
| vishwanathj | review -> reviews | 01:09 |
| natarajk | +1 | 01:09 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: true, our review queue is quite deep | 01:09 |
| sripriya | yup, and also implementing the bluprints itself | 01:10 |
| vishwanathj | +1 | 01:10 |
| sridhar_ram | alright.. lets skip. we will reconvene at our usual time on Jan 5th | 01:11 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else to announce / heads up ? | 01:11 |
| sridhar_ram | lets move on... | 01:11 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Mitaka blueprint updates | 01:12 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: python jobs are enabled for python-tackerclient | 01:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: oh, yeah.. thanks for pointing out and thanks to Yong Sheng from 99cloud | 01:12 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: are you here ? | 01:13 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: so any new python-tackerclient changes will need to include unit tests coverage | 01:13 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: true... | 01:14 |
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| sripriya | and also the original device unit test cases will be removed eventually which is currently enabled | 01:14 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: I hope we can convert these to "vnf" client test cases | 01:15 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: yes, it is actually a "conversion" there should be no other major impacts as it is based on devices | 01:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets see if yong sheng joins to take up Efficient VNF placement topic | 01:16 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: okay.. | 01:17 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: do you want to give a quick update on Multi-VIM ? | 01:18 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: .. or shd I say multi-site ? ;-) | 01:18 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: sure, there have been some great inputs/comments on the spec. I need to upload a new version of spec incorporating these inputs | 01:19 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: :-) yes we have transitioned to "multi-site VIM" | 01:19 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: I like it :) | 01:19 |
| natarajk | Nice | 01:20 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: I'm happy to see all those nice discussions.. | 01:20 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i understand there were concerns on the term. itself regarding multisite/multiregions/VIMs which we have discussed on the spec, | 01:20 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: also we have moved on from VIM O to NFV O as the end goals of this new component is resource management across VIMs as per ETSI doc | 01:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: we need to strike a balance between MANO taxonomy and the actual openstack multisite deployments methods | 01:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: yes, multi-vim is *one* of the building blocks on NFVO | 01:21 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: while we are not taking up Resource reservation / allocation .. this feature shd evolve into that in the future | 01:22 |
| sridhar_ram | overall quite pleased... | 01:22 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: the workflow will be pretty much NFVO->VIM->Regions->Availability_Zones->Cells that will constitute as vim selection for VNF placement | 01:22 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: agree | 01:23 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: wow.. that's quite a level of granular placement control.. | 01:23 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: :) or it can be just NFVO->VIM (With defaults) | 01:24 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: okay.. keep in mind, there is also automated test complexity and horizon work | 01:25 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: .. so we need to keep the scope not run away too much.. | 01:25 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: yes, with these inputs coming in, i observe there will be lot more work on horizon side as much as the server side | 01:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | afveitch: hi, we are discussing multi-vim / multi-site.. | 01:26 |
| afveitch | ok | 01:27 |
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| afveitch | sridhar_ram: I am still thinking about the best way to address the things you wrote in your response | 01:27 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i have not through much on the automated test complexity , but if we are doing this with multiple devstack installs, it will be good to understand if this is feasible in openstack jenkins | 01:28 |
| sripriya | thought* | 01:28 |
| sridhar_ram | afveitch: there is also some nomenclature / terminology that's cluttering us a bit.. | 01:28 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: true, it will be good to check w/ infra team apriori | 01:28 |
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| afveitch | sridhar_ram: Yes, agreed. I think if we can align the mapping of the Heat multi region with the MANO docs, it would be good | 01:29 |
| afveitch | sridhar_ram: That is part of what I am working to put into my follow up to comments - then send for general review. | 01:30 |
| sridhar_ram | afveitch: ... bottomline if Tacker support VIM endpoints with multiple Regions along with support for AZ we would've implicitly covered OpenStack multi-site deployments using Regions | 01:30 |
| sridhar_ram | afveitch: .. sure, lets continue the discussion in the gerrit, so that it gets captured in place... | 01:31 |
| afveitch | sridhar_ram: Yes, I think you are correct. Frankly, I am working to get more familiar with the multi region to be confident in myself in responding | 01:31 |
| afveitch | sridhar_ram: agree with that plan | 01:31 |
| sridhar_ram | afveitch: no worries. You point on "multi-site" is interesting .. in fact, as mentioned in the comment, it will be nice to group all VIMs in a specific "site" .. perhaps even plot them in a google maps enabled dashboard :) | 01:32 |
| sridhar_ram | hope I'm not fantasizing too much :) | 01:32 |
| afveitch | sridhar_ram: a man's reach should exceed his grasp :-) | 01:33 |
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| sridhar_ram | afveitch: perfect! like it | 01:33 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else - major - on multi-site vim ? | 01:33 |
| afveitch | sridhar_ram: not for me, I joined late and will review the log. | 01:34 |
| sridhar_ram | afveitch: sure... | 01:34 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: nothing from my end, i will upload a new spec for further discussions | 01:34 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: sounds good... | 01:34 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets move on.. | 01:35 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: do you want to give a quick update on auto-resource creation ? | 01:35 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, Hi, I want to readdress the comments mentioned in bp | 01:36 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: which specific one ? | 01:36 |
| tbh | but sridhar_ram I want to know about what do you mean by template parametrization | 01:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: remember we discussed (perhaps even decided) to create flavors during VNFD creation... | 01:37 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes | 01:37 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: ... that may not work if some of the properties like num_cpu is parameterized.. | 01:37 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: .. you can create flavors only at vnf-creation time | 01:38 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes, but we thought later of sending those details to heat with out tacker creating it | 01:38 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, so that will come under vnf creation time, right? but I haven't updated in specs yet | 01:39 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: ah, yes... do you use heat to create flavor on the fly during vnf instantiation time ? | 01:39 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes | 01:40 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, and the scope of flavor is same as vnf | 01:40 |
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| gongysh | hi | 01:40 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: hi there, we are discussion auto-resource creation spec from tbh | 01:41 |
| gongysh | cool | 01:41 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: yeah, that shd work.. | 01:41 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: tbh: essentially glance image upload is the only case that happpens during vnfd-create operation? | 01:41 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, sripriya yes | 01:41 |
| tbh | sripriya, you asked about if about flavor duplicity | 01:42 |
| gongysh | tbh, how about flavor creation? | 01:42 |
| tbh | sripriya, sridhar_ram we can have duplicate flavors | 01:42 |
| tbh | gongysh, as sridhar_ram said if the template is parametrized we cannot create flavors at vnfd creation time | 01:43 |
| sripriya | isnt that redundant for the user, as an operator i dont want to create duplicate flavors for each vnf requests | 01:43 |
| sripriya | tbh: ^ | 01:43 |
| tbh | sripriya, but as we decided earlier flavors are cheap | 01:44 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, but template parametrization case will apply for image creation also? | 01:44 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: agree it was cheap when it was associated with VNFD... | 01:44 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: no, we shdn't allow that IMO | 01:44 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, because images are of large sizes | 01:45 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: .. back to flavors we are now taking about number of flavors -at worst case == number of VDUs in the controller.. | 01:45 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: .. that doesn't look good | 01:46 |
| sripriya | tbh: then i will end up having a huge list of flavors in my deployment which is not preferred (and is ugly) even though the operation is inexpensive | 01:46 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, sripriya but we have a solution that we have implemented for this | 01:46 |
| tbh | sripriya, sridhar_ram https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252834/ | 01:47 |
| sridhar_ram | folks - lets wrap this discussion and continue in gerrit.. I'd like to discussion Efficient VNF placement | 01:47 |
| sridhar_ram | *discuss | 01:47 |
| tbh | sripriya, sridhar_ram heat translator can return the best match for the flavor | 01:47 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, okay | 01:47 |
| sripriya | tbh: will take a look, thanks | 01:47 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: that look promising! | 01:47 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Efficient VNF Placement | 01:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: vishwanathj: hi folks.. can you give a quick update on the scope & where you are ? | 01:48 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I have uploaded a spec for it | 01:48 |
| vishwanathj | thanks to gongysh for starting the patchset.... | 01:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: link ? | 01:49 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257847/ | 01:49 |
| vishwanathj | I plan to add to it and collaborate alongside gongysh | 01:49 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: awesome... that's a good kick start.. ! | 01:49 |
| gongysh | It will depend on tbh's resource creation BP | 01:49 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: true, and tbh's BP depends on bobh's tosca work.. and that worries me :( | 01:50 |
| gongysh | but, since we can create flavor already, just as tbh said, we can begin the coding for flavor creation. | 01:50 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: cool.. | 01:51 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: please work with vishwanathj to split some areas for faster progress... | 01:51 |
| gongysh | we need testing much. since the openstack CI dose not provide numa and sriov testing host. | 01:52 |
| sridhar_ram | I remember Cisco contributed some CI for sr-iov.. but agree that will be challenging | 01:52 |
| gongysh | vishwanathj, you can update the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252834/ to include what tasks you will do. | 01:52 |
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| vishwanathj | gongysh, I have some ideas with regards to make the VNFD content for NUMA, CPU Pin, Huge Pages and vCPU topology more generic...shall discuss with you | 01:53 |
| gongysh | vishwanathj, sure | 01:53 |
| sridhar_ram | btw, what are the must-have features ? | 01:54 |
| vishwanathj | gongysh, thanks | 01:54 |
| sridhar_ram | are we shooting to include pci-passthru and sr-iov in this scope | 01:54 |
| vishwanathj | I see it as being called out as stretch for mitaka in the spec | 01:54 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, sriov should be the first thing. | 01:54 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: okay.. it will be great to bring it in.. | 01:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: .. I was not sure about the effort involved | 01:55 |
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| * sridhar_ram I hope we can extend this mtg few mins beyond the top of the hour... | 01:56 | |
| * sridhar_ram .. if needed | 01:56 | |
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| sridhar_ram | alright.. that's cool.. I'll let you and vishwanathj march on.. | 01:56 |
| sridhar_ram | this is a crucial feature for Tacker.. ! good luck :) | 01:57 |
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| vishwanathj | gongysh, looking forward to collobarating with you and learning from your experience | 01:57 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else on EPA / EVP topic ? | 01:58 |
| gongysh | vishwanathj, haha, do it together, and make it happen. | 01:58 |
| vishwanathj | most definitely | 01:58 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, shall we begin coding before spec is merged? | 01:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: well.. you need some amount of coding to write good blueprints :) .. yes, as long as you are ready to alter as we go! | 01:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | good to see the blueprint start.. lets continue the discussion in gerrit.. | 01:59 |
| gongysh | ok | 02:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 02:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | as discussed earlier.. there is no IRC meeting for next two weeks | 02:00 |
| sridhar_ram | we will reconvene Jan 5th.. | 02:00 |
| sridhar_ram | tacker core will be around to merge patchsets .. so keep the work going! | 02:00 |
| * sridhar_ram taking two weeks off | 02:00 | |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: are there any priority patchsets that needs to be closed within this week before holidays? | 02:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: nothing pops at this time.. but noticed the queue is deep and we need to keep clearing them .. | 02:01 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: ok | 02:02 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: .. to keep things manageable | 02:02 |
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| s3wong | I will be around :-) | 02:02 |
| sridhar_ram | one heads up / request for help - please flag patchsets that need to go to stable/liberty.. | 02:02 |
| sripriya | gongysh: any update on the nova patchset if it will merged soon? | 02:02 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: thanks! | 02:02 |
| sridhar_ram | will plan to release pypi pkgs for liberty / 0.2.0 in first week of Jan | 02:03 |
| gongysh | sripriya, no luck. network related patch is always slow in nova. | 02:03 |
| gongysh | no network guys in nova cores. | 02:03 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: that's bad.. no wonder nova-network --> neutron is in bad state | 02:03 |
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| sripriya | gongysh: thanks for update | 02:04 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, it is true. | 02:04 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: in fact I want this nova fix in stable/liberty ... | 02:04 |
| sripriya | +1 | 02:04 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: .. is that possible ? | 02:04 |
| gongysh | yes, definitely | 02:04 |
| gongysh | I will push it. | 02:04 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: thanks! | 02:05 |
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| sripriya | cool! | 02:05 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: I'm glad you joined Tacker team! | 02:05 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else team ? | 02:05 |
| * sridhar_ram we are 5mins overtime | 02:05 | |
| sripriya | thats it from me | 02:05 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, my pleasure | 02:05 |
| sridhar_ram | alright.. if you taking a break / vacation.. have a nice time and a safe holiday season.. | 02:06 |
| sridhar_ram | if you going to work.. happy coding! | 02:06 |
| sridhar_ram | see you all next year! | 02:06 |
| afveitch | same to you, bye | 02:06 |
| sripriya | bye! happy holidays! | 02:06 |
| s3wong | bye | 02:06 |
| vishwanathj | Happy holidays everyone, bye | 02:06 |
| natarajk | Happy Holidays, Bye | 02:07 |
| sridhar_ram | bye team! lets rock on in 2016 | 02:07 |
| gongysh | happy holidays. bye | 02:07 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 02:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 02:07 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 02:07:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-12-16-01.01.html | 02:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-12-16-01.01.txt | 02:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-12-16-01.01.log.html | 02:07 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, the meeting time is fixed? | 02:07 |
| sridhar_ram | lets take it up in #tacker channel | 02:08 |
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| dtardivel | #startmeeting watcher | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 14:01:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtardivel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:01 |
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| jwcroppe | hi | 14:02 |
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| sballe | o/ I won;t be able to join :-( I am hosting a meeting | 14:02 |
| jed56 | hello | 14:02 |
| jwcroppe | o/ | 14:02 |
| brunograz | hi | 14:02 |
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| dtardivel | o/ | 14:02 |
| tpeoples | o/ | 14:02 |
| cdupont | o/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:02 |
| cdupont | \o/ | 14:03 |
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| dtardivel | agenda is available on #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#12.2F16.2F2015 | 14:05 |
| dtardivel | ok let's go :) | 14:06 |
| dtardivel | #topic Announcements | 14:06 |
| cdupont | Hi dtardivel, I have some requests for this meeting :) | 14:06 |
| cdupont | Could we store more informations in the minutes using #info ? | 14:07 |
| dtardivel | reminder: Mid-cycle eventbrite registration is opened | 14:07 |
| cdupont | because after each meeting I am obliged to browse the full log to create my report | 14:07 |
| dtardivel | cdupont: yes i will try | 14:08 |
| cdupont | thanks! | 14:08 |
| dtardivel | #info Mid-cycle eventbrite registration is opened | 14:08 |
| jwcroppe | dtardivel: did acabot send on mailing list? | 14:08 |
| cdupont | Also I was wondering if this meeting could be longer, one hour is short in a launch phase like now | 14:08 |
| cdupont | it's always very rushed and no time for questions... | 14:09 |
| edleafe | cdupont: meetings are standard at 1 hour. We can always continue in #openstack-watcher | 14:09 |
| dtardivel | for b<>com, acabot and jed56 will go to the meeting | 14:09 |
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| jed56 | jwcroppe I don't think so | 14:10 |
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| dtardivel | for bcom, acabot and jed56 will go to the meeting | 14:10 |
| jwcroppe | jed56: ok, I think we need to send out on mailing list - I updated the wiki with details as well and he also created the eventbrite | 14:10 |
| jed56 | great job thanks | 14:10 |
| jwcroppe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_mitaka_mid-cycle_meetup_agenda | 14:11 |
| cdupont | this is April 25 - 29, 2016 in Austin, right | 14:11 |
| cdupont | ? | 14:11 |
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| jwcroppe | cdupont: Feb 2-4 | 14:11 |
| jed56 | I have my ticket! | 14:12 |
| tpeoples | #info mid-cycle meetup in Austin Feb 2-4, 2016 | 14:12 |
| cdupont | Ok | 14:12 |
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| dtardivel | #action dtardivel send (again ?) the announce to the mailing list | 14:13 |
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| dtardivel | next: we released the mitaka-1 milestone on Watcher | 14:14 |
| cdupont | Could you circulate again the mailing list address? | 14:14 |
| cdupont | its not in the wiki | 14:15 |
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| dtardivel | all fixes committed and targeted into this milestone have been automatically set to 'fix released' state | 14:15 |
| tpeoples | openstack-dev | 14:15 |
| jed56 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev | 14:16 |
| tpeoples | with a [watcher] tag | 14:16 |
| cdupont | OK, there is no mailing list specific to watcher? | 14:16 |
| cdupont | this is a very high volume mailing :( | 14:16 |
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| dtardivel | cdupont: you can use the tag as a filter ;) | 14:17 |
| tpeoples | No, that's just how the openstack projects do it | 14:18 |
| seanmurphy | #info - announcements pertaining to watcher typically distributed on openstack-dev list with [watcher] as tag | 14:18 |
| cdupont | I see them as [openstack-dev] [watcher] | 14:19 |
| cdupont | I'll create a filter ;) | 14:19 |
| jwcroppe | next topic? | 14:19 |
| dtardivel | acabot has posted a video about Watcher UI #link https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B1KilbTYF00uanZCRE9kQmgzQ28 | 14:20 |
| dtardivel | Please check if you can access to it | 14:20 |
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| cdupont | nope | 14:21 |
| jwcroppe | no access | 14:21 |
| tpeoples | Looks like we'll have to wait for acabot | 14:21 |
| cdupont | :( | 14:21 |
| seanmurphy | the link appears to be a user specific gdrive link | 14:21 |
| dtardivel | yes I afraid. ok I will find a way to put the video on another location ... | 14:22 |
| vmahe__ | I can't read the video either | 14:23 |
| edleafe | *cough*youtube*cough* | 14:23 |
| dtardivel | #action dtardivel give access to video Watcher UI to the community | 14:23 |
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| dtardivel | #topic Review Action Items | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:24 | |
| tpeoples | Maybe there's some sweet copyrighted music on it edleafe | 14:24 |
| tpeoples | dtardivel: did you have a chance to give the devstack plugin another shot? | 14:25 |
| edleafe | tpeoples: well, that wouldn't be in the open spirit now, would it? :) | 14:25 |
| jed56 | :) | 14:25 |
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| dtardivel | tpeoples: I validated the devstack installation with the wather plugin. I need more time to validate the NFS settings for live migration as documented in the patchset | 14:26 |
| tpeoples | cool, good to hear | 14:26 |
| dtardivel | so it is in good progress | 14:26 |
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| dtardivel | review on i18n translation. What is the status ? | 14:27 |
| tpeoples | i will try to check my email over the holiday break to see if we need a new patchset | 14:27 |
| vincentfrancoise | Well the first patchset has been merged | 14:27 |
| brunograz_ | tpeoples: in a related topic, we've been working on putting Watcher in a container. this is very much a work in progress and I believe that by beginning of next year we have it done | 14:28 |
| vincentfrancoise | which added the french locale to Watcher | 14:28 |
| vincentfrancoise | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256591/ | 14:28 |
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| tpeoples | vincentfrancoise: i will re-review before i leave for vacation | 14:28 |
| jwcroppe | dtardivel: FYI, I need to drop in 2 mins... I will review the pending watcher-specs as well | 14:28 |
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| vincentfrancoise | And there is another one in waiting for reviews | 14:29 |
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| vincentfrancoise | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257475/ | 14:29 |
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| tpeoples | brunograz_: I believe bcom already has a container-based deployment of watcher working | 14:29 |
| dtardivel | brunograz_: we have project on github named watcher-tools where you will find a complete setup of watcher based on Docker container and ansible :) | 14:29 |
| tpeoples | let's save that for open discussion | 14:29 |
| dtardivel | #link https://github.com/b-com/watcher-tools | 14:29 |
| tpeoples | vincentfrancoise: i am not too worried about the content of the log messages for the i18n work, just the way they are being translated. we can worry about the content later... jfyi | 14:30 |
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| brunograz_ | tpeoples dtardivel that's pretty cool, it would be good to have it as well in the github description. but yeah true let's leave it for the right topic :) | 14:31 |
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| dtardivel | there is again some review on progress about refactoring #link https://review.openstack.org/257249 | 14:31 |
| vincentfrancoise | tpeoples: you mean the actual messages that are currently logged? | 14:32 |
| tpeoples | Yeah, I'm saying we can improve the actual log strings later, but for the i18n work let's just get them translatable | 14:33 |
| vincentfrancoise | For the refactoring bit, most of the work has already been merged | 14:33 |
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| tpeoples | i will review 257249 again before i leave jed56, thanks for respinning | 14:33 |
| vincentfrancoise | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257249/ is the only one remaing | 14:34 |
| jed56 | tpeoples thanks | 14:34 |
| jed56 | next topic ? | 14:36 |
| tpeoples | wrt the intel thermal PoC - I think that needs some rework before we can merge. I identified some concerns I had with the approach in the review | 14:36 |
| tpeoples | though the concerns I had might also apply to the consolidation algorithm. I think we need to be using the nova-scheduler to help make decisions on where to migrate to. Otherwise we lose the benefit of all of the other filters | 14:38 |
| tpeoples | so for a PoC it's fine not to do that, but IMO it should be | 14:38 |
| jed56 | tpeoples : I agree | 14:38 |
| cdupont | are you refering to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/outlet-temperature-based-strategy ? | 14:39 |
| jwcroppe | tpeoples: right, scheduler for sure needs to be involved | 14:39 |
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| tpeoples | yes cdupont, review is here #https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257189 | 14:39 |
| tpeoples | i also don't like that the resources used is being calculated on the fly (instead of relying on the scheduler ... or some sort of cache within watcher) to get that info | 14:40 |
| cdupont | Is it possible to link the BP to its spec, even if in progress? | 14:40 |
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| cdupont | I noticed the spec field is never set, for all the BPs I checked | 14:41 |
| tpeoples | that sort of thing ^ won't scale very well | 14:41 |
| tpeoples | but again, fine for PoC... | 14:41 |
| dtardivel | cdupont: you can push a first patchset , and set it into Work In Progress (ie workflow = -1) | 14:42 |
| cdupont | Ok | 14:42 |
| jed56 | tpeoples : I think that can be done through a blueprint ( cache system for nova and ceilometer ) | 14:42 |
| dtardivel | vmahe__, what about your review on dynamic action #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257494/ | 14:43 |
| tpeoples | #action junjie bzhou incorporate review comments into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257189 | 14:43 |
| tpeoples | yes jed56 , probably | 14:43 |
| vmahe__ | I will push a new patch-set very soon | 14:43 |
| tpeoples | don't want to tell the intel folks they need to solve all of our problems :) | 14:43 |
| tpeoples | that's why i said good for a proof of concept | 14:44 |
| vmahe__ | following some discussion with jed56 and vincentfrancoise | 14:44 |
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| dtardivel | ok | 14:44 |
| tpeoples | have you guys had a chance to poke into taskflow any more? | 14:44 |
| jed56 | tpeoples : yes a little bi t | 14:44 |
| vmahe__ | yes | 14:45 |
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| vmahe__ | it looks great | 14:45 |
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| jed56 | this a great tool but some feature are missing | 14:45 |
| vmahe__ | but we need to also have a look to other frameworks such as Mistral or other Python frameworks | 14:45 |
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| tpeoples | jed56: what features and are they deal breakers? | 14:45 |
| jed56 | for example you can describe your Flow but you cannot describe some constraints to be solve by the workflow engine ( e.g A need to before B ) | 14:47 |
| jed56 | you have to describe your workflow by yourself | 14:47 |
| dtardivel | remains 10mn :) | 14:48 |
| jed56 | morever there is not a clear separation of concern between the planner and applier | 14:48 |
| dtardivel | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:48 |
| tpeoples | i imagined we'd have to build the workflow ourself. | 14:48 |
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| jed56 | tpeoples : yes but with vmahe | 14:48 |
| tpeoples | the planner would essentially build the flow with all of the dependencies, and then the applier would just run the flow using an engine | 14:49 |
| jed56 | we think that some tools can do to that built in | 14:49 |
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| jed56 | but this is WiP | 14:49 |
| jed56 | :) | 14:49 |
| jed56 | I have a PoC with taskflow | 14:49 |
| tpeoples | ok cool | 14:50 |
| tpeoples | wrt the tempest blueprint / work (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/tempest-basic-set-up), i passed it to vincentfrancoise while I am out on vacation | 14:50 |
| vincentfrancoise | yup | 14:51 |
| cdupont | regarding the BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-consolidation-grammar | 14:51 |
| dtardivel | about tempest basic set up #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/tempest-basic-set-up, vincentfrancoise will be able to work on it very soon | 14:51 |
| cdupont | I completed a first draft | 14:51 |
| cdupont | I will upload as soon as I understand how gerrit works :) | 14:51 |
| jed56 | cdupont : great can you push a patchset ? | 14:52 |
| cdupont | yep | 14:52 |
| jed56 | cdupont : we can help you on openstack-watcher | 14:52 |
| cdupont | OK | 14:52 |
| cdupont | thanks | 14:52 |
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| dtardivel | cdupont: we can assist you if you need help | 14:52 |
| jed56 | cdupont : http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/sandbox.html | 14:53 |
| cdupont | #action cdupont push a patchset for spec https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-consolidation-grammar | 14:54 |
| tpeoples | any other blueprints or bugs to discuss? | 14:54 |
| dtardivel | I think we have to make effort on spec in the few weeks, because refactoring and enhancement coding tasks will be finished soon... | 14:54 |
| dtardivel | and we need spec to make coding :) | 14:55 |
| jed56 | in the few weeks : vacations! | 14:55 |
| cdupont | yeah | 14:55 |
| vincentfrancoise | as you may have noticed, Watcher is now python 3.4 compatible | 14:55 |
| dtardivel | vincentfrancoise: +1 | 14:56 |
| vincentfrancoise | So we have to make sure our tests pass both py27 and py34 gates ;) | 14:56 |
| tpeoples | sweet | 14:56 |
| tpeoples | open discussion quick? | 14:56 |
| dtardivel | brunograz_: containers ? | 14:57 |
| brunograz_ | dtardivel: just wanted to pointed out that would be good to have a link in the git repo | 14:57 |
| brunograz_ | but we can follow up this in the watcher chat | 14:58 |
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| vincentfrancoise | brunograz_: you mean in the readme file? | 14:58 |
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| tpeoples | in regards to accommodations for Austin for the midcycle - a lot of people who visit IBM stay at hotels near the Arboretum. I'm not sure where jwcroppe is staying specifically. | 14:58 |
| brunograz_ | vincentfrancoise: yes | 14:58 |
| tpeoples | The Domain is literally across the street from IBM so you'd be able to walk, but the hotels there will be more expensive | 14:59 |
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| brunograz_ | vincentfrancoise: particularly, I didn;t know abt this other repo | 14:59 |
| tpeoples | Feel free to message me with any questions | 14:59 |
| jed56 | tpeoples : ok | 14:59 |
| dtardivel | ok, it's time | 14:59 |
| dtardivel | bye | 14:59 |
| brunograz_ | bye | 14:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | brunograz_: create a wishlist bug and feel free to do it I guess | 14:59 |
| vmahe__ | bye | 14:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:59 |
| tpeoples | And I am out on vacation until next year, so ttyl :) | 14:59 |
| dtardivel | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 15:00:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-12-16-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-12-16-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
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| jasondotstar | #startmeeting vahana | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 15:01:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jasondotstar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vahana)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vahana' | 15:01 |
| jasondotstar | #topic roll call | 15:02 |
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| jasondotstar | well, this will be an extremely short meeting :-) | 15:02 |
| jasondotstar | #topic General Discussion | 15:03 |
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| jasondotstar | I *think* we'll just cancel this week's meeting. | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | going once? twice? | 15:04 |
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| jasondotstar | Thx. Until next week. | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | #endmeeting | 15:04 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2015/vahana.2015-12-16-15.01.html | 15:04 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit will be offline for a software upgrade from 17:00 to 21:00 UTC. See: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081037.html | 16:20 | |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 16:32:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:32 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:32 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:32 |
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| rhallisey | hello | 16:32 |
| sdake | \o/ back in the land of the living ;) | 16:32 |
| nihilifer | o/ | 16:32 |
| Jeffrey4l | o/ | 16:32 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:32 |
| inc0 | o/ | 16:32 |
| barrett1 | o/ | 16:32 |
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| ajafo | hi | 16:33 |
| marek_ | hi | 16:33 |
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| sdake | #topic midcycle prep | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "midcycle prep (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:34 | |
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| sdake | not sure when the midcycle will be, probably sometime in late january | 16:34 |
| britthouser | 0/ | 16:34 |
| sdake | i will soon get a poll going to determine what time works best for people | 16:34 |
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| sdake | we need to go ahead and produce our list of sessions for the midcycle now though | 16:35 |
| sdake | the midcycle will be two days in length | 16:35 |
| sdake | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-mitaka-midcycle | 16:35 |
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| sdake | lets spend 10-15 mins on the etherpad putting in our session ideas please | 16:36 |
| elemoine | o/ | 16:37 |
| britthouser | sessions being working session planning session, both? | 16:37 |
| inc0 | britthouser, well, it's midcycle so form is more loose | 16:38 |
| britthouser | thanks inc0...my first one so I wasn't sure | 16:38 |
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| sdake | i suspect upgrades will be a 4 hour session or more ;) | 16:39 |
| sdake | but we still need more dmaterial | 16:39 |
| inc0 | <hides under the table before 4 hrs of incoming hate> | 16:40 |
| nihilifer | diagnostics == monitoring? | 16:40 |
| sdake | nihilifer yes among another things | 16:40 |
| sdake | moniitoring is a component of diagnostics | 16:41 |
| inc0 | 18 months roadmap planning will not end after 1hr for sure | 16:41 |
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| sdake | diagnostics is a catchall for anything diag related ;) | 16:41 |
| sdake | can folks do me a solid and sign their names into etherpad please so I know where the session ideas came from | 16:42 |
| barrett1 | On the roadmap - want to get ahead of the update cycle run by the Product WG | 16:42 |
| sdake | barrett1 roger understood - would you mind signing in as a contribu ptop please | 16:43 |
| sdake | ok i'll igve this another 3-5 minutes then we can move on, and have another session next week to catch people that missed this session | 16:44 |
| barrett1 | sdake: will do | 16:44 |
| britthouser | thanks rhallisey | 16:44 |
| rhallisey | britthouser, sure thing :D | 16:44 |
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| inc0 | I think we can revisit this list on following meeting | 16:46 |
| sdake | #topic mitaka-1 release | 16:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mitaka-1 release (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:46 | |
| sdake | ok lets move on :) | 16:46 |
| barrett1 | sdake: 1 caveat - I go on sabbatical at the end of this week and will return to work on 1/28. If the midcycle happens earlier in Jan I won't be able to attend. Leong Sun is covering for me and would be able to attend. | 16:46 |
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| sdake | barrett1 understood | 16:46 |
| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/mitaka-1 | 16:47 |
| sdake | so basically because I was out of action I never cut a m1 release | 16:47 |
| sdake | unfortunately the way the openstack process works for projects not managed by the release team, the PTL is a SPOF in the tagging and release process of milestones | 16:48 |
| britthouser | I think I can break away this week on work on my BP | 16:48 |
| sdake | fortunately its just m1, so its not deadly | 16:48 |
| britthouser | it shouldn't be a large amount of work. | 16:49 |
| sdake | I am going to cut a m1 on dec 23rd | 16:49 |
| sdake | I am going to move any blueprints not in good progress or above to mitaka-2 at end of this week (18th) | 16:49 |
| britthouser | ok | 16:50 |
| sdake | can folks that own blueprints please update the state sometime today of whether its good progress, started, implemented, needs code review, etc | 16:51 |
| sdake | I see magnum in there, and I thought that was done for example | 16:51 |
| sdake | nihilifer ^^ ? :) | 16:51 |
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| nihilifer | sdake: yes, sorry, i forgot to close it | 16:51 |
| sdake | its all good | 16:52 |
| sdake | if folks have stuff like this please set to implemented | 16:52 |
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| sdake | unfortunately because it isn't friday yet, we can't discuss mitaka-2 | 16:52 |
| sdake | but I'd like mitaka-2's main theme to be upgrades | 16:52 |
| sdake | any objections? | 16:53 |
| rhallisey | none | 16:53 |
| nihilifer | nope | 16:53 |
| rhallisey | BPs are all in place | 16:53 |
| sdake | nice | 16:53 |
| inc0 | yeah, and I think we got our differences sorted out for now | 16:53 |
| inc0 | just request from my side - review nova upgrade code to confirm way we're going to attack upgrades | 16:53 |
| sdake | will look at it | 16:54 |
| sdake | my mother broke her l4 vertebrea | 16:54 |
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| sdake | so looking after her a bit | 16:54 |
| sdake | bsically my life is a POS atm | 16:54 |
| britthouser | yikes....yeah when it rains it pours! | 16:54 |
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| barrett1 | sdake: Sorry to hear that! | 16:54 |
| sdake | no doubt | 16:54 |
| sdake | it could be worse so I count my blessings :) | 16:54 |
| britthouser | =) | 16:54 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 16:55 |
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| sdake | ok folks, know meeting isn't all that exciting today | 16:55 |
| nihilifer | i actually see 2 points more in agenda | 16:55 |
| sdake | which nihilifer ? | 16:55 |
| nihilifer | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla | 16:56 |
| nihilifer | let me go to mine | 16:56 |
| nihilifer | #topic kolla-mesos | 16:56 |
| sdake | #endu | 16:56 |
| sdake | #topic kolla-mesos | 16:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kolla-mesos (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:56 | |
| sdake | nihilifer only I can set #tpk | 16:56 |
| nihilifer | ok, let me share an update | 16:56 |
| sdake | ok nihilifer all yours ;) | 16:56 |
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| nihilifer | we currently have a working tool deploying services on marathon and ansible tasks on chronos | 16:57 |
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| nihilifer | currently supported services - mariadb, keystone, glance and horizon | 16:57 |
| nihilifer | i think we're in point where people can feel free to take any available component of kolla and try to run it on mesos | 16:57 |
| nihilifer | if you're confused about structure of repository, feel free to ask me directly | 16:58 |
| inc0 | nihilifer, can you please write quickstart guide for mesos? | 16:58 |
| kproskurin | and me if nihilifer is away | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | inc0, good idea | 16:58 |
| sdake | ya docs are fantastic folks :) wtb em :)) | 16:58 |
| nihilifer | inc0: sure. you mean quickstart for contributing to kolla-mesos? | 16:59 |
| jpeeler | for getting up and running | 16:59 |
| inc0 | nihilifer, for deploying;) | 16:59 |
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| nihilifer | for now thre's quickstart for vagrant and running the kolla-mesos-deploy tool | 16:59 |
| nihilifer | but ok, i can try to make it more detailed | 16:59 |
| nihilifer | last but not least | 16:59 |
| inc0 | yeah, something that will describe how it all works and so on plz | 17:00 |
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| nihilifer | we're looking for reviews from kolla-core guys as well | 17:00 |
| inc0 | docs will help...;) | 17:00 |
| nihilifer | and thanks for those who're doing it currently | 17:00 |
| nihilifer | that's all | 17:00 |
| nihilifer | sdake: we can move to the next topic, i think | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | I mentioned it last meeting. Add kolla-mesos to your watch list | 17:01 |
| rhallisey | if you want to help | 17:01 |
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| kproskurin | it’s really low trafic right now so it’s easy to get in | 17:01 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 17:01 |
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| marek_ | I think we have 1 more topic. | 17:02 |
| sdake | the upgrades? | 17:02 |
| marek_ | Upgrading containers - use case & POF implementation plan (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla_upgrading_containers) | 17:02 |
| marek_ | sdake yes | 17:02 |
| sdake | #undo | 17:02 |
| nihilifer | upgrades regarding kolla-mesos | 17:02 |
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| sdake | #topic upgrade brainstorm | 17:02 |
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| sdake | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla_upgrading_containers | 17:03 |
| marek_ | Ok guys, thanks & let me mention I'm new to Kolla team @ Mirantis so please bear with me. | 17:03 |
| sdake | oh 5his is mesos specific? | 17:03 |
| marek_ | sdake yes | 17:03 |
| nihilifer | sdake: yes | 17:03 |
| sdake | ok my apologies, I htought we covered upgrades already :) | 17:03 |
| nihilifer | well, we'd like to share the similar idea regarding mesos | 17:04 |
| sdake | marek_ so would you like a brainstorm session or which? | 17:04 |
| marek_ | sdake: it's ok. So basically I will work on a simple tool for upgrading mesos apps with new version of Docker images. | 17:04 |
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| marek_ | sdake: yes - I've made POF & a plan on etherpad and before I start coding I'd like you to review it. | 17:04 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit is offline for a software upgrade from 17:00 to 21:00 UTC. See: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081037.html | 17:04 | |
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| sdake | marek_ cool so I think instead of just me reviewing, it makes sense for broader community to have a review of the proposed plan | 17:05 |
| sdake | would you mind sending an email to the mailing list iwth [kolla] tags | 17:05 |
| sdake | requesting such assistance? | 17:05 |
| marek_ | sdake: ok, np. | 17:05 |
| sdake | so looking over the doc, looks liek you spent some good time on it, hopefully a review will help you out | 17:06 |
| nihilifer | anyone would like to share some thoughts atm? | 17:06 |
| sdake | make sure to indicate what you are looking to get out of the effort marek_ | 17:06 |
| inc0 | so, tags | 17:07 |
| inc0 | we just battled against using tags as version pointers | 17:07 |
| inc0 | I would show you different approach but gerrit is down | 17:07 |
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| nihilifer | inc0: so what you propose to use instead of tags? | 17:08 |
| inc0 | anyway argument was that people might want to use tags for their own business specific purposes so we shouldn't use it for our logic | 17:08 |
| nihilifer | labels? | 17:08 |
| inc0 | file in container | 17:08 |
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| inc0 | I just made patchset that enables it | 17:08 |
| inc0 | that what I will use (probably) in ansible upgrades | 17:09 |
| inc0 | and it would be good to keep this aligned | 17:09 |
| sdake | agree re alignment | 17:09 |
| nihilifer | ok, so we'll look on it when gerrit goes back | 17:09 |
| inc0 | sure | 17:09 |
| nihilifer | yes, marek_'s idea is very similar to what inc0 proposed in visible yet patch | 17:10 |
| marek_ | guys but in general, I'd like to know if the tool I plan to write up will be useful & if this is what we want for upgrades in Mesos env (for starters). | 17:10 |
| sdake | #action marek_ to send email to list to kickoff discussion about merging mesos upgrades with current upgrade plan | 17:10 |
| inc0 | yeah let's move it to mailing list | 17:10 |
| marek_ | ok | 17:10 |
| sdake | marek_ I think we just decided the answer to that was we need to have this on the ml | 17:10 |
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| sdake | #topic open discussion | 17:11 |
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| sdake | anyone want the floor? | 17:11 |
| inc0 | merry christmas everyone! | 17:11 |
| britthouser | Merry Christmas! | 17:11 |
| sdake | inc0 ;) | 17:11 |
| sdake | happy holidays ! | 17:11 |
| inc0 | or happy hannukah | 17:11 |
| * sdake moar pc then inc0 | 17:12 | |
| rhallisey | merry christmas | 17:12 |
| rhallisey | :) | 17:12 |
| barrett1 | Happy Holidays! | 17:12 |
| sdake | ok folks, remember, cutting a release on teh 23rd, so please try to wr=ap up by then | 17:12 |
| sdake | at minimum, keep blueprints in corrrect state | 17:13 |
| sdake | thanks for coming | 17:13 |
| rhallisey | thanks | 17:13 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 17:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 17:13:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-12-16-16.32.html | 17:13 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-12-16-16.32.txt | 17:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-12-16-16.32.log.html | 17:13 |
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| kevinbenton | neutron-lib 4lyfe! | 17:24 |
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| dougwig | oh, we have a fanboi | 17:30 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting networking_lib | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 17:30:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:30 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib' | 17:30 |
| dougwig | agenda: | 17:30 |
| dougwig | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Lib/Meetings | 17:30 |
| dougwig | #topic Welcome | 17:30 |
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| dougwig | hiya all, who all is around? | 17:31 |
| kevinbenton | o/ | 17:31 |
| * HenryG needs a minute | 17:31 | |
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| dougwig | #topic Announcements | 17:32 |
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| dougwig | coordinating work and trying to get relevant info in this wiki page: | 17:32 |
| dougwig | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Lib/Meetings | 17:32 |
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| dougwig | this next part should be fun with gerrit down... | 17:32 |
| dougwig | #topic Finalize callbacks interface | 17:32 |
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| dougwig | kevinbenton, armax, ping | 17:33 |
| dougwig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253661/ | 17:33 |
| kevinbenton | so i was thinking about this | 17:33 |
| armax | dougwig: pong | 17:33 |
| kevinbenton | will neutron-lib have releases? | 17:33 |
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| dougwig | yes, into pypi. | 17:33 |
| kevinbenton | what i was hoping is that the first patch just takes exactly what we have for callbacks and move it over | 17:33 |
| HenryG | dougwig: don't troll us with gerrit links now | 17:33 |
| dougwig | neutron will grab it via requirements.txt, via global requirements. | 17:33 |
| kevinbenton | and then we iterate on that | 17:33 |
| kevinbenton | so the changes are easier to understand from what we have now | 17:34 |
| dougwig | i'm ok with that, if you're ok maintaining the old interface if it ever hits pypi ? | 17:34 |
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| kevinbenton | well if we need to do a pypi release and this isn't resolved yet, we can temporarily break it for the release | 17:34 |
| HenryG | when are pypi releases done? who controls when they are done? | 17:35 |
| dougwig | HenryG: mestery is the release manager for the stadium, and i expect when we say 'go' and then he has time. | 17:35 |
| kevinbenton | a random number generator between 1 and 100 runs every hour | 17:35 |
| kevinbenton | if it pulls a 50, a release is done | 17:35 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: what do you mean? hide the interface in that case? | 17:35 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: yeah | 17:35 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: make it unusable from outside the module with the hidden magic var | 17:36 |
| dougwig | that's fine. as long as tests of neutron against neutron-lib master and neutron-lib (latest pypi) are always green, i'm happy. | 17:37 |
| dougwig | does anyone object to phasing it in that way? | 17:37 |
| HenryG | sounds good to me | 17:37 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: sounds good | 17:37 |
| dougwig | #action someone make a note in gerrit on this when it's up | 17:37 |
| dougwig | #topic Do we hate pylint? | 17:37 |
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| dougwig | this was 90% a joke, but | 17:38 |
| armax | dougwig: what would be the note? | 17:38 |
| kevinbenton | so i didn't get to see this review yet | 17:38 |
| dougwig | it costs a lot to maintain, and i've only ever found *ONE* bug on top of flake8 with it. | 17:38 |
| HenryG | I hate 90% of pylint | 17:38 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: oh, to merge callbacks as they currently exist | 17:38 |
| dougwig | armax: revert paul's patch to a basic move, with a plan to iterate it in place before release. | 17:38 |
| armax | that the typical effort of bootstrapping neutron-lib is to copy and paste and to iterate in tree? | 17:38 |
| kevinbenton | armax: and then iterate on them so it's easier to understand the change | 17:38 |
| dougwig | #undo | 17:38 |
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| dougwig | armax: want to chime in on that? | 17:39 |
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| armax | dougwig: that’s fine by me, assumed that we just don’t ‘simply forget’ phase 2 :) | 17:40 |
| dougwig | armax: i assumed that plan meant that i get to exercise my asshole mode regularly. :) | 17:40 |
| armax | otherwise neutron-lib becomes a missed opportunity | 17:40 |
| armax | dougwig: ack | 17:40 |
| dougwig | do i hear a new tagline in there? "Neutron: A Missed Opportunity". | 17:41 |
| dougwig | sorry, i'm pulling myself into the weeds. | 17:41 |
| dougwig | #topic Do we hate pylint? | 17:41 |
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| kevinbenton | no | 17:41 |
| kevinbenton | next topic | 17:41 |
| dougwig | so, do we pull in this maintenance nightmare as the status quo, or do we shoot it in the head? yes, i'm biased. and i'm also totally cool either no. | 17:41 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 17:41 |
| dougwig | ha, timebox is set to 60 seconds. | 17:41 |
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| kevinbenton | so i was thinking we could actually use pylint to enforce some stricter standards | 17:42 |
| kevinbenton | like method length limits | 17:42 |
| dougwig | won't your plan of moving then iterating get in the way of that? | 17:42 |
| kevinbenton | and whatnot | 17:42 |
| HenryG | You can put pylint exceptions in inline comments | 17:43 |
| kevinbenton | right, or make the existing code compliant before enabling the check | 17:43 |
| armax | pylint is useful when we have 500 contributors against the same repo | 17:43 |
| armax | when we have 5, it becomes easier to have a consistent set of coding guidelines | 17:44 |
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| armax | that said, it can provide a decent safety net for a language like python | 17:44 |
| HenryG | yeah but we are moving over code that was implemented by 500 contributors | 17:44 |
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| kevinbenton | so i vote 'keep status quo' for now. we can always yank it out later | 17:45 |
| armax | we could trim down the list of pylint violation checks to those that are clearly bad | 17:45 |
| HenryG | armax: +1 | 17:45 |
| dougwig | ok, so it stays, sounds like. i expect this wouldn't even be a topic but for my personal change in beliefs over whether it's worth the cost. | 17:45 |
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| dougwig | let's move on. | 17:46 |
| dougwig | #topic db modules - what moves, what changes? | 17:46 |
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| dougwig | HenryG: how do we figure out how we attack this? | 17:46 |
| HenryG | still not sure | 17:46 |
| HenryG | I would like to see less dicts, more objects | 17:46 |
| kevinbenton | what do we mean by db modules in this regard? | 17:46 |
| HenryG | less mixins, more composition | 17:47 |
| kevinbenton | so not the db models themselves | 17:47 |
| kevinbenton | but the tools to manipulate them? | 17:47 |
| dougwig | if you look in the wiki link above, under 'db rework', you can see a list of db modules used by just a single subrepo. i can break that down further into objects within those modules, but it becomes a big list, fast. | 17:47 |
| dougwig | either we move things like the base mixins, or we make something new and update all the subprojects. i'm fine with either approach, but a LOT of modules end up with a dependency chain that ends in neutron.db somewhere, so it's a blocker. | 17:48 |
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| dougwig | (even some stuff in neutron.common, which just seems like a broken dependency chain that should be fixed) | 17:48 |
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| dougwig | ok then, let's step back. do we want to move the mixins and support them alongside something new? or go straight to something new? | 17:50 |
| kevinbenton | something new would be cool | 17:50 |
| HenryG | not excited about supporting old stuff in the -lib | 17:51 |
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| dougwig | ok, that's fine, it just adds urgency to getting the 'new' done. what is everyone envisioning there? or put another way, what do you *really* hate today, that needs to die in fire? | 17:51 |
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| kevinbenton | well what mixins are used by other projects? | 17:52 |
| kevinbenton | that would be the first ones to tackle | 17:52 |
| kevinbenton | those* | 17:52 |
| dougwig | from neutron.db import common_db_mixin as base_db | 17:53 |
| kevinbenton | oh | 17:53 |
| kevinbenton | that | 17:53 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 17:53 |
| dougwig | one quick spot check shows: base_db.CommonDbMixin | 17:53 |
| HenryG | yeah | 17:53 |
| dougwig | i've certainly seen worse subclasses in my life. | 17:54 |
| dougwig | if we're not moving that, what were y'all thinking of instead? | 17:56 |
| kevinbenton | model_base can probably go | 17:56 |
| HenryG | ok that looks fine I think | 17:57 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: go, or not move? are subprojects allowed to use the standard attributes table? | 17:58 |
| * dougwig hands around the coffee pot. | 17:59 | |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: hmm | 18:00 |
| dougwig | ok, let's take this item offline. | 18:00 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: well as long as they aren't adding automatic relations that will affect everyone | 18:00 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: yes, that should be fine | 18:00 |
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| dougwig | let's move on, we'll talk about this more, maybe in person soon. | 18:01 |
| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 18:01 |
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| dougwig | HenryG: i believe you had a question here. | 18:01 |
| HenryG | Gerrit is down but the question is there: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Lib/Meetings | 18:02 |
| dougwig | i'm not sure we can block reviews for needing neutron-lib first when it hasn't released yet? it's not even gated against. | 18:03 |
| HenryG | yeah but those constants are not used anywhere yet | 18:03 |
| HenryG | they're new constants | 18:03 |
| kevinbenton | but we don't have to use debtcollector in the constants in neutron | 18:03 |
| kevinbenton | for new ones at least | 18:04 |
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| dougwig | then why are we adding them? and will subprojects need them? | 18:04 |
| kevinbenton | we can let them in and just say they will be in neutron-lib next release | 18:04 |
| * dougwig shakes fist at gerrit. | 18:04 | |
| dougwig | my removal review will get a merge conflict, so it won't get lost ( https://review.openstack.org/242219 ) | 18:04 |
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| HenryG | allright, let's let constants go in neutron until we are ready | 18:06 |
| kevinbenton | i think it's fair to immediately move any that were added this cycle too | 18:06 |
| kevinbenton | so we dont' have to debt collect them | 18:07 |
| dougwig | right, i don't think we need to debtcollector the new ones. but i'll have the maintenance item to move the interim stuff. | 18:07 |
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| HenryG | dougwig: are you keeping a list of todo's? | 18:09 |
| kevinbenton | #todo make todo list | 18:09 |
| dougwig | HenryG: in the wiki and in my list of open reviews, yes. i know the constants will get caught, because i'll get a conflict. | 18:09 |
| HenryG | sounds good | 18:10 |
| HenryG | I'll add to the wiki anything without a review or bug yet | 18:10 |
| dougwig | anything else today? my biggest action item will be to hunt down HenryG and kevinbenton and get more db change details. today. | 18:10 |
| dougwig | todo list item to create todo list created. jk. | 18:11 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: how about neutron.db.api? | 18:11 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton, HenryG: is that good to move, or do we want changes there? | 18:12 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: ah, but that depends on the common_db_mixin | 18:12 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: what's our rule for this kind of stuff? | 18:12 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: can't depend on neutron at all, right? | 18:12 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: didn't you both say it was ok to move common_db_mixin? | 18:12 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: must not depend on neutron. we can move the child dependencies, or sever them. | 18:13 |
| HenryG | kevinbenton: only getobject/s | 18:13 |
| dougwig | the latter via dup or passing in callbacks. | 18:13 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: we need to go through common_db_mixin and make sure stuff that is only used internally is appropriately named so it looks private | 18:14 |
| kevinbenton | used internally - only used by the mixin itself | 18:14 |
| dougwig | ok, can one of you do so, and when? | 18:14 |
| HenryG | I can start later tomorrow or Friday | 18:15 |
| kevinbenton | HenryG: thx | 18:16 |
| dougwig | ty. | 18:16 |
| kevinbenton | for neutron lib, should we start doing internal methods prefixed with double underscore so name mangling takes place? | 18:16 |
| HenryG | seems like a good place to start focus, thanks kevinbenton | 18:16 |
| dougwig | you hit a python bit of trivia i'm unaware of. isn't __ for stuff internal to python itself? | 18:17 |
| kevinbenton | no | 18:17 |
| dougwig | ooh neat, please tell. | 18:17 |
| kevinbenton | if you prefix a class method with __ it makes it difficult to access | 18:17 |
| dougwig | really?? why are we not using it more places?? | 18:17 |
| kevinbenton | it gets translated | 18:17 |
| kevinbenton | to _classname__method | 18:18 |
| kevinbenton | for external callers | 18:18 |
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| kevinbenton | so it's quite clear you are reaching into the bowels of something | 18:18 |
| dougwig | that's really good, i'd say yes. | 18:18 |
| HenryG | interesting, yes | 18:18 |
| kevinbenton | https://docs.python.org/2/tutorial/classes.html#private-variables-and-class-local-references | 18:18 |
| dougwig | any py3 issues or something like that? | 18:18 |
| kevinbenton | not that i'm aware of | 18:18 |
| HenryG | The oslo folks have been doing libs for some time. Anything we can learn from them? | 18:19 |
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| kevinbenton | so something to note is that it doesn't suggest doing this to prevent people from accessing things | 18:19 |
| kevinbenton | because this is python | 18:19 |
| kevinbenton | "we're all adults" | 18:19 |
| kevinbenton | the convention is just a single underscore means 'internal' and that it might break | 18:20 |
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| HenryG | So a single underscore should suffice really | 18:21 |
| dougwig | switch it to ruby, so i can just mark it private. | 18:21 |
| * dougwig hides. | 18:21 | |
| * dougwig inside ruby's private namespace. | 18:21 | |
| kevinbenton | yes, and if a subclass tries to override a double-prefix it won't do the normal thing | 18:21 |
| kevinbenton | since that's actually translated to _classname__method | 18:22 |
| kevinbenton | they will be different | 18:22 |
| dougwig | so if it's not recommended that we use it, should we? why does it even exist? | 18:22 |
| kevinbenton | it's mainly for classes to ensure they have a reference to the function they defined | 18:22 |
| kevinbenton | and not the one overridden by a subclass in inheritance | 18:23 |
| kevinbenton | so it's really to make things private to a class for inheritance purposes | 18:23 |
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| kevinbenton | not to prevent people from using it | 18:23 |
| dougwig | that makes sense. at least as much as any of python's namespacing makes sense. so a single underscore is the right answer for a library. | 18:23 |
| kevinbenton | i'm now regretting bringing it up :) | 18:24 |
| kevinbenton | now that i'm thinking it through | 18:24 |
| dougwig | anything else before we wrap up for today? HenryG, i'll ping you offline and setup a time to chat. | 18:24 |
| HenryG | I enjoyed learning about __method kevinbenton | 18:24 |
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| kevinbenton | we could add an @private decorator that inspects the call stack and ensures it comes from neutron-lib :) | 18:24 |
| kevinbenton | however, it will probably come at a terrible performance cost | 18:24 |
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| HenryG | dougwig: ack | 18:25 |
| kevinbenton | one thing that is used by libraries at the module level is the __all__ magic var | 18:25 |
| kevinbenton | it defines what is importable by other modules | 18:25 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: i mean, if people call and _internal routine and we break it, i won't lose any sleep. | 18:25 |
| dougwig | /and/an/ | 18:25 |
| kevinbenton | so we can use that for module-level methods | 18:25 |
| viveksa | Hi, I would like to know if there is a way to fetch Meatadata of VolumeSnapshot from DB | 18:25 |
| kevinbenton | viveksa: wrong channel. check out #openstack | 18:26 |
| viveksa | thanks | 18:26 |
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| dougwig | ok, let's wrap up this python tutorial session. :) | 18:26 |
| HenryG | I wonder if they have an "effective oslo" guide? | 18:26 |
| kevinbenton | not sure | 18:27 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 18:27 |
| kevinbenton | anything else? | 18:27 |
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| dougwig | ok, let's close this. | 18:29 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 18:29:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2015/networking_lib.2015-12-16-17.30.html | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2015/networking_lib.2015-12-16-17.30.txt | 18:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2015/networking_lib.2015-12-16-17.30.log.html | 18:29 |
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| j^2 | raginbajin: you want to run the meeting? | 18:52 |
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| j^2 | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 19:00:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 19:00 |
| j^2 | #chair raginbajin | 19:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: j^2 raginbajin | 19:01 |
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| j^2 | hey everyone! | 19:01 |
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| serverascode | hi | 19:01 |
| j^2 | I'll give everyone 5ish? mins before starting | 19:01 |
| j^2 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20151216 | 19:02 |
| j^2 | that's the agenda for this meeting | 19:02 |
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| j^2 | :D | 19:06 |
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| j^2 | ok, cool | 19:06 |
| j^2 | #topic previous business | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous business (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:06 | |
| j^2 | I had an action item to: j^2 to figure out how to use zuul to validate against the pep8 | 19:06 |
| j^2 | (python|bash) and rubocop linters | 19:06 |
| j^2 | I renabled Christin Benets? gerrit is down so sorry for butchering your name, bashpep8 tests for tools-generic | 19:07 |
| j^2 | it seems we need to get the second review in before they can reeable it | 19:07 |
| j^2 | i pushed the last fix that mdorman noticed this morning so ideally we'll make progress today | 19:08 |
| j^2 | any questions or thoughts on this? | 19:08 |
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| serverascode | not from me | 19:09 |
| j^2 | nice | 19:09 |
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| j^2 | mriedem was supposed to get us an old nova spec, i think he posted it to the mailing list, but i don't remember | 19:09 |
| j^2 | and it seems he's not in the room so :'( | 19:09 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:10 |
| j^2 | xavpaice pushed up his tenant script so that's awesome | 19:10 |
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| j^2 | it got pushed in pretty quickly which is awesome | 19:10 |
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| j^2 | i think that's all for previous business, any questions? | 19:10 |
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| serverascode | nopers | 19:10 |
| j^2 | rockyg: :D | 19:11 |
| j^2 | ok, cool, on to the new stuff | 19:11 |
| j^2 | #topic Talk about releases for repos other than tools-contrib and tools-generic | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Talk about releases for repos other than tools-contrib and tools-generic (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:11 | |
| j^2 | now this was an interesting request for EmilienM | 19:11 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 19:11 |
| j^2 | hi! | 19:11 |
| EmilienM | we are building rpms in RDO | 19:12 |
| EmilienM | without the release but it would really be a nicetohave | 19:12 |
| EmilienM | much easier for maintainers | 19:12 |
| j^2 | #link https://www.rdoproject.org/packaging/rdo-packaging.html | 19:12 |
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| EmilienM | do you have release management in your project? | 19:12 |
| j^2 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Osops | 19:12 |
| j^2 | the original agreement: We don't plan on having releases, but we do plan on collecting useful resources for anything ranging from Junior to Senior level administrators. | 19:13 |
| j^2 | which may be thrown out now because of osops-coda, but that's a different discussion | 19:13 |
| j^2 | There's a challange with this, the repos arn't designed to be rpm friendly | 19:14 |
| rockyg | Could we use tags for indicating a specific version? | 19:14 |
| j^2 | rockyg: what constitues as a version? that's they move really fast | 19:15 |
| EmilienM | I think you should release often | 19:15 |
| EmilienM | a tag | 19:15 |
| EmilienM | and release notes | 19:16 |
| j^2 | and we've moved the https://github.com/openstack/osops-tools-monitoring/tree/master/monitoring-for-openstack in it's own directory now | 19:16 |
| j^2 | that won't help with rpms right? | 19:16 |
| rockyg | Even just a date tag could do the trick. Or a version tag that is 0.1.0 if not reviewed, and 1.0 if reviewed and approved? | 19:16 |
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| j^2 | there's another challenge here too, this is putting overhead on the project when we are still in it's infancy. i don't want to scare people away by this not being "painless and automated" | 19:17 |
| rockyg | The tag allows a specific set of files (the tagged build) to be checked out, then the package can be made from that | 19:17 |
| j^2 | hence the reason to NOT put releases in | 19:17 |
| j^2 | and unfortunatly we don't have quorum here, so we can't make a decision on this :( | 19:18 |
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| rockyg | we could consider writing up a lightweight tagging process for version identification | 19:19 |
| rockyg | Could just be a date tag | 19:19 |
| j^2 | we need more voices on this, and this is something for Operators to make their life easier, I don't want to make decisions without more input | 19:19 |
| rockyg | Agreed. But we can make a proposal for review | 19:19 |
| j^2 | rockyg: that seems reasonable; are there other projects with this? | 19:19 |
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| rockyg | Good question. I suspect not in OpenStack, but other OS projects do. I've done some of this before. I don't think I could write it up this week, but maybe before the first? | 19:20 |
| j^2 | rockyg: that' would be awesome. just to see the...level of work and process will be useful to see what this would entail | 19:21 |
| j^2 | and if we do it for one of our "core" repos, then we'd probably do it for them all | 19:21 |
| j^2 | but that's just me spitballing | 19:22 |
| rockyg | ++ | 19:22 |
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| j^2 | awesome, any other questions or thoughts? serverascode thoughts? | 19:22 |
| rockyg | We can get comments from ops, release and infra once we have the strawman up. | 19:22 |
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| j^2 | rockyg: agreed | 19:23 |
| rockyg | could you do a #action for me for this? So it gets into the minutes | 19:23 |
| j^2 | #action rockyg will write up a way to tag per day for the repos | 19:24 |
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| j^2 | next topic? | 19:24 |
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| j^2 | #topic Talk about osops-coda | 19:25 |
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| j^2 | we have a new project! | 19:25 |
| j^2 | HPE has asked us to put coda in our namespace | 19:25 |
| j^2 | this was a request at the toyko summit | 19:25 |
| serverascode | what's a coda? | 19:26 |
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| j^2 | wall of text incoming | 19:26 |
| j^2 | Coda is a Horizon dashboard and panel (both share the name) that | 19:26 |
| j^2 | facilitates resource clean up of a project once that project is no longer | 19:26 |
| j^2 | needed (e.g. A customer cancels their account). It consists of a single | 19:26 |
| j^2 | text entry box which allows you to search by project ID and will display | 19:26 |
| j^2 | all resources, project info, and user info for the project. Upon pressing | 19:26 |
| j^2 | the delete button the user is prompted each time for valid admin | 19:26 |
| j^2 | credentials (annoying but a purposeful safe-guard) and will then walk the | 19:26 |
| j^2 | list of resources deleting each one and will display the outcome of each | 19:26 |
| j^2 | operation in a tabular format. This project started as a stand-alone | 19:26 |
| j^2 | Django app inside HP and has been very valuable in operating our public | 19:26 |
| j^2 | cloud. It was originally called Scrubber (because that's what it did) but | 19:26 |
| j^2 | was renamed to Coda after being ported to Horizon and adapted for Keystone | 19:26 |
| j^2 | instead of a proprietary Identity service. It is the intent of HP to open | 19:26 |
| j^2 | source our entire suite of tools using a musical theme. Coda was chosen as | 19:26 |
| j^2 | the name for this project as a coda in music is a passage that brings a | 19:26 |
| j^2 | piece to an end. It is particularly apropos for this use because the | 19:26 |
| j^2 | symbol for a coda resembles a cross hair. | 19:26 |
| j^2 | i'll give everyone some time to read it | 19:27 |
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| serverascode | ok, cool, yeah that sounds great | 19:28 |
| j^2 | :D | 19:28 |
| klindgren | Join in the middle of this - iirc HP lightning talk during the tokyo confrence on this. iirc it only works if the keystone tenant/project has not yet been deleted. | 19:28 |
| j^2 | klindgren: yeah that sounds right | 19:28 |
| j^2 | but it's coming to us to make it better :D | 19:28 |
| j^2 | this will be posted to the ML when we get the code in the repo | 19:28 |
| raginbajin | Sorry I'm late.. meeting ran long. | 19:28 |
| j^2 | no worries | 19:29 |
| klindgren | kk | 19:29 |
| j^2 | but i wanted to give everyone a heads up here, it's a great win for us to grow the project more | 19:29 |
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| j^2 | any questions or thoughts? | 19:29 |
| raginbajin | I think that's cool. | 19:30 |
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| rockyg | A project of this size will need real release process. Scripts can be lighter weight, but not a full gui plus | 19:30 |
| rockyg | And it's really cool. | 19:31 |
| j^2 | rockyg: agreed it dove tails with the openstack-monitoring slurping too | 19:31 |
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| j^2 | we only have a couple more topics | 19:32 |
| j^2 | continue on? | 19:32 |
| raginbajin | That project makes sense to have releases. | 19:32 |
| j^2 | raginbajin: yep | 19:32 |
| raginbajin | good to move on from me | 19:33 |
| rockyg | ++ | 19:33 |
| j^2 | raginbajin: still waiting to get it in our namespace then we can discuss at a macro scale on the release for them | 19:33 |
| j^2 | #topic Notes4chairs | 19:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Notes4chairs (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:34 | |
| j^2 | I created a wiki page to help out chairs for this meeting | 19:34 |
| j^2 | raginbajin and I have been running them but i want to open it up for more of the group | 19:34 |
| j^2 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OSOpsNotes4Chairs | 19:34 |
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| j^2 | crap, that was supposed to be wiki/Osops/Notes4Chairs in our namespace. screwed that one up :'( | 19:35 |
| j^2 | oh well | 19:35 |
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| j^2 | so I'd like to ask for volunteers for more chairs and i'll post to the ML asking for more | 19:35 |
| j^2 | i think we can use it as a way to get more people involed | 19:35 |
| j^2 | #action j^2 post to ML for more volunteer chairs for osops meeting | 19:36 |
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| rockyg | ++ | 19:36 |
| j^2 | any thoughts/questions? | 19:36 |
| rockyg | we might actually get more devs, too, with the weekly announcement on the ml | 19:36 |
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| j^2 | rockyg: can you explain that? | 19:37 |
| j^2 | i'm missing something | 19:37 |
| rockyg | by sending out weekly meeting announcement on ops ml, it might attract some devs' attention and they would participate | 19:38 |
| j^2 | ohhh yeah sorry, i thought there was another announcement i was missing :P | 19:38 |
| rockyg | np | 19:39 |
| j^2 | serverascode: any thoughts? | 19:39 |
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| j^2 | otherwise going to the last topic | 19:39 |
| serverascode | nope that sounds good to me | 19:39 |
| j^2 | cool | 19:39 |
| j^2 | #topic Waiting on so we can add the bashte jobs to tools generic | 19:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Waiting on so we can add the bashte jobs to tools generic (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:39 | |
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| j^2 | ok, so when gerrit comes up we are one step away from getting tools-genirc with the bashte job working | 19:40 |
| j^2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229031/ -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229043/ | 19:40 |
| j^2 | we need those both to pass then we have a gate on tools-generic | 19:40 |
| j^2 | this is extremely important | 19:40 |
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| j^2 | especially after how, i mentioned our workflow in superuser, thanks to everyone that helped edit the topic | 19:41 |
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| j^2 | #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/check-out-this-tool-library-for-openstack-operators | 19:41 |
| j^2 | but with gerrit down, we are stuck :( | 19:41 |
| j^2 | any questions or thoughts? | 19:42 |
| serverascode | is bashte a tool? I can't find anything about it | 19:42 |
| j^2 | i may be butchering the name | 19:43 |
| rockyg | maybe bashate? | 19:43 |
| j^2 | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/bashate/tree/README.rst | 19:43 |
| serverascode | ah ok | 19:43 |
| j^2 | it's the "sane" default we agree for bash | 19:44 |
| j^2 | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/bashate/tree/README.rst | 19:44 |
| j^2 | cool anything else on this topic? | 19:45 |
| j^2 | we are at about 15 mins, which i'd like to open to general discussion | 19:45 |
| serverascode | nothing else from me | 19:46 |
| j^2 | #topic Open Floor | 19:46 |
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| j^2 | klindgren, serverascode, raginbajin, rockyg :D floor is open | 19:47 |
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| klindgren | I dont think I have everything - due to the holidays and trying to get other work done before EOY | 19:48 |
| raginbajin | I don't have anything | 19:48 |
| klindgren | s/everything/anything | 19:48 |
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| serverascode | nothing from me either | 19:49 |
| rockyg | me too. too on my plate ;-) | 19:49 |
| j^2 | Sooo.. Star Wars? ;) | 19:49 |
| rockyg | Monday. Freebie tix from netapp | 19:49 |
| j^2 | nice | 19:49 |
| rockyg | That's if I've recovered enough from sinus surgery Friday | 19:50 |
| j^2 | :D | 19:50 |
| j^2 | awesome, well if we're good i'll close the meeting and give everyone 10 mins back | 19:50 |
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| rockyg | ++ | 19:50 |
| rockyg | Everybody have some good holidays | 19:51 |
| j^2 | you too rockyg | 19:51 |
| j^2 | #endmeeting | 19:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 19:51:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-12-16-19.00.html | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-12-16-19.00.txt | 19:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-12-16-19.00.log.html | 19:51 |
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| rbradfor | did I have the schedule correct for the log working group IRC meeting? | 20:05 |
| rockyg | it's an hour later, I think | 20:07 |
| rockyg | But, give me about fifteen and meet me on the operator's channel? | 20:07 |
| rbradfor | rockyg, thanks, I thought it was 2000 UTC | 20:07 |
| rbradfor | ok | 20:07 |
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| JRobinson__ | Good morning all, the User Guide Team meeting is set to start in about 5 minutes. | 23:24 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 23:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 23:31:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 23:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docuserguides' | 23:31 |
| JRobinson__ | Morning or Evening All, depending on your location | 23:31 |
| JRobinson__ | We're going to get the User Guide Meeting started | 23:32 |
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| JRobinson__ | Who else is available today ? | 23:32 |
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| JRobinson__ | The agenda is not lengthy, | 23:37 |
| JRobinson__ | so to run through these items: | 23:37 |
| JRobinson__ | #info User Guide Tasks are open for patching by contributors | 23:37 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReorganizeUserGuides#The_List_of_Tasks | 23:38 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Assign yourself a task and investigate the chapter. | 23:38 |
| JRobinson__ | The final goal is to reorganize the admin-user and cloud-admin books into one document with a more task based focus | 23:39 |
| JRobinson__ | so be on the lookout for places to work the information of the admin-user guide into the cloud-admin content | 23:39 |
| JRobinson__ | Next item: | 23:39 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info Collaboration with Trove and Murano services | 23:39 |
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| JRobinson__ | I have had some contact with the docs liaisons of these services. The goal here is to incorporate new content into the administrator guide | 23:40 |
| JRobinson__ | Anyone able to continue working with these teams - collaboration is welcome here. | 23:41 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Anyone able to help continue working with these teams - collaboration is welcome here. | 23:41 |
| JRobinson__ | That's all for User guides. | 23:42 |
| JRobinson__ | Just to review: | 23:42 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Work item list is available | 23:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Work item list is available (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 23:42 | |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReorganizeUserGuides#The_List_of_Tasks | 23:43 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Collaborate with Trove, Murano, Sahara, and other services if needed | 23:43 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info Anyone able to help continue working with these teams - collaboration is welcome here. | 23:43 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic open discussion | 23:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 23:44 | |
| JRobinson__ | Any other points from anyone reading ? | 23:44 |
| JRobinson__ | Okay, time to close this up then. | 23:45 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 23:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 23:45:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2015/docuserguides.2015-12-16-23.31.html | 23:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2015/docuserguides.2015-12-16-23.31.txt | 23:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2015/docuserguides.2015-12-16-23.31.log.html | 23:45 |
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