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| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k | 13:59 |
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| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting | 13:59 |
| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairatyY | 13:59 |
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| flaper87 | #startmeeting Glance | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 12 13:59:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 13:59 |
| kairat | o/ | 13:59 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 13:59 |
| flaper87 | #topic Roll Call | 14:00 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:00 | |
| flaper87 | so, who's around ? | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | pppppplllll | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:00 |
| * flaper87 has a terrible connection today | 14:00 | |
| gb21 | o/ | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:00 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| bpoulos | o/ | 14:00 |
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| flaper87 | That's our agenda for today | 14:00 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | not much to say today more than updates | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | #topic Updates from summit http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078235.html (flaper87) | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates from summit http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078235.html (flaper87) (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:01 | |
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| flaper87 | So, that's the email with the summary from the summit | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | Hope you all read it and you all love it | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:02 |
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| flaper87 | jokes apart, are there questions from that email? | 14:02 |
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| nikhil_k | o/ | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to take some time to answer questions and doubts from the summit | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: yoooooooooooooooooo | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | Even for people that attended | 14:02 |
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| flaper87 | During summits we discuss many things but nothing is written on stone | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | flaper87: it was briefly and clearly :) | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | I'd like that to be clear to everyone and make sure ppl know that feedback is always welcome | 14:03 |
| kairat | flaper87, I need to clarify one question :) | 14:03 |
| kairat | it is related to priorities | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | kairat: shoot | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | I've priorities in the topics for today too | 14:04 |
| kairat | Ok | 14:04 |
| kairat | let's talk about it later) | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:04 |
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| flaper87 | ok, any other questions I can delay answers for ? | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | I'll take that as a no | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | #topic Priorities for Mitaka http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/priorities/mitaka-priorities.html (flaper87) | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priorities for Mitaka http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/priorities/mitaka-priorities.html (flaper87) (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:05 | |
| flaper87 | kairat: gimme 1s | 14:05 |
| kairat | flaper87, ok | 14:05 |
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| flaper87 | That's the list of priorities. That's what we should focus our review strengths on. However, that doesn't mean we won't review other patches | 14:05 |
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| flaper87 | The priorities list helps reviews to know what to focus on when in doubt and to communicate to the community what the team wants to achieve during the cycle | 14:06 |
| Jokke_ | o/ | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | there are things that have a clear plan forward (or focus) | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | and there are others that will still happen (hopefully) but are less "critical" | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | Hope that it's clear that the priorities list *doesn't* mean other things won't be reviewed | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | that's it from me | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | kairat: shoot | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | sounds good. so, this is a immutable list, correct? | 14:07 |
| kairat | So I got this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233687/ | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: yup | 14:08 |
| kairat | and i was interesting if priorities is like restrictions | 14:08 |
| * nikhil_k has a small KB so typing very slow | 14:08 | |
| kairat | or like things that we should be focused on | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | kairat: to some extent it also works as a way to know what we would like to have in the cycle or not | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | if there are 10 specs impacting the API, we might need to choose which ones we'll let in | 14:09 |
| kairat | I understand the reasoning but it is a correct to have -2 on all bp that is not included in priorities | 14:09 |
| Jokke_ | kairat: looking that change ... I don't think it was priority reason it got -2'd | 14:09 |
| * nikhil_k still absorbing new process & waiting for things to fan out before giving feedback (about feedback req before) | 14:09 | |
| flaper87 | kairat: no, in fact, there are other specs there that don't have -2's | 14:10 |
| mfedosin | kairat: I think that -2 is not related to priorities | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | and yeah, that | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | what mfedosin and Jokke_ said | 14:10 |
| mfedosin | we just postponed your feature to N | 14:10 |
| mfedosin | because there are a lot of changes in Mitaka | 14:11 |
| * flaper87 is scared about the import process work | 14:11 | |
| flaper87 | that's gonna be huge and it'll require lots of time | 14:11 |
| mclaren | he's not alone | 14:11 |
| kairat | Ok, so no features except priorities? | 14:11 |
| kairat | and bugs of course | 14:12 |
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| flaper87 | kairat: no, that's not what we are saying | 14:12 |
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| flaper87 | please, take a look at the list of specs | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | kairat: let's work on case by case basis, I think the break would be mostly on api changes | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | there *are* new features there | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | we simply can't afford them all | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: ++ | 14:12 |
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| kairat | flaper87, ok, is it mentioned in your spec? | 14:13 |
| * flaper87 has 10s lag | 14:13 | |
| flaper87 | kairat: it is, AFAIK | 14:13 |
| kairat | flaper87, ok, need to review it again, thanks | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | There's also a reason why we call it priorities list and not "exclusive list of things we'll accept" | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | The process is new and these questions are awesome | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | kairat: you potentially have 30 mins to move fwd for your spec at drivers' mtg | 14:14 |
| Jokke_ | kairat: the point is that due to the fact that we're doing major rework around our core functionalities, we do not want to have multiple things parallel poking those, so if we break something we have decent idea what actually broke it | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | dedicated mins | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | lets clarify them so we have a clearer process | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | kairat: if it's not clear enough on the priorities spec, let me know and I'll happily amend it | 14:15 |
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| * nikhil_k still doesn't know the spec :P | 14:15 | |
| kairat | Thanks guys=) | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/priorities/mitaka-priorities.html | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/priorities/mitaka-priorities.html | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on (unless there are other questions) | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: thanks. I was curious about kairat's one. | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: ah, sorry. misunderstood | 14:16 |
| * flaper87 (facepalm) | 14:16 | |
| flaper87 | #topic Glance v2 additional filtering https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/v2-additional-filtering https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197388/ (slow progress) <- required for Nova v2 adoption (mfedosin) | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance v2 additional filtering https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/v2-additional-filtering https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197388/ (slow progress) <- required for Nova v2 adoption (mfedosin) (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:16 | |
| flaper87 | that's a long topic name | 14:16 |
| kairat | nikhil_k, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233687/ | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | oh yes | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: floor is yours | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233687/ | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | nikhil_k: ^ | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | I tried to explain the issue | 14:17 |
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| mfedosin | so, yeah - we have this spec merged in Liberty | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | but the progress is slow :( | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: FWIW, I have re-propossed it for Mitaka | 14:18 |
| mfedosin | and we really need this feature to port Nova to v2 | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | but we need commitment from someone | 14:18 |
| * flaper87 can't find the link | 14:18 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230971/ | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | that one | 14:18 |
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| flaper87 | What exactly do you need? | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | so I'm okay to take it on and start writing the code | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | mind expanding a bit so we're all on the same page | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | I need this feature asap | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | because it blocks v2 image-list for Nova | 14:19 |
| Jokke_ | mfedosin: is that the piece we discussed with Jay in the Tokyo? | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | Jokke_: yes | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | not exactly - I wanted to implement it in the client | 14:20 |
| mfedosin | but having it on the server side is perfect | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | thanks kairat, abhishekk, mfedosin | 14:20 |
| Jokke_ | well if we get it working ;P | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: I don't think ppl here know exactly what you need | 14:20 |
| mclaren | Is anything in particular blocking this? Or is it just reviews? | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | I do :P | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | but please, explain to others | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: I think we need to get the spec in again and the code up | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:21 |
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| mclaren | ok, so paperwork... | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: right :D | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | wait, this is changes-since correct? | 14:21 |
| kairat | mclaren, it doesn;t pass tests | 14:21 |
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| mfedosin | I wish Steve to be here to talk about it | 14:22 |
| Jokke_ | nikhil_k: yes | 14:22 |
| kairat | and progress on this feature is quite slow | 14:22 |
| mfedosin | nikhil_k: yes, it's kindof changed since | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: yup | 14:22 |
| mclaren | Ok, so Steve is blocking us :-) | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | sorta | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | I see, thanks all. | 14:22 |
| Jokke_ | so we need some way to filter our output to simulate changed-since so we can keep nova API unbroken | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | I'll ping Steve and get his feedback and ask him if he's fine with us taking this over | 14:22 |
| mfedosin | so, if he doesn't mind we can implement it | 14:22 |
| mfedosin | me and kairat | 14:23 |
| * flaper87 is not sure if his messages are reaching destination | 14:23 | |
| mfedosin | flaper87: please do :) | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:23 |
| mfedosin | I can ping him as well | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | ok ok | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | Lets get this going | 14:23 |
| mclaren | hey I'll ping him too! | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: then don't wait for me | 14:24 |
| kairat | heh | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: when you do, please, update the spec | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:24 |
| mfedosin | let's ping him all :D | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | it needs a nick of the person who's going to work on this | 14:24 |
| mfedosin | flaper87: yep, I will update it | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | just send am email | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | after that, we can merge that spec. I'll re-read it to make sure it doesn't have weird impacts on the rest of the work | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | a* | 14:24 |
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| flaper87 | email + ping + sms + telegram | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | done | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | forgot pager | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | :P | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | damnit | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | :( | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: anything else ? | 14:25 |
| mfedosin | nope sir | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | sweet, thanks for working on that | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | #topic Glance upgrades (flaper87) | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance upgrades (flaper87) (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:25 | |
| Jokke_ | flaper87: did you send a fax to the office? | 14:26 |
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| flaper87 | I don't really have much to say here and it's perhaps an open question. How do we feel about the upgrade process in Glance? What are we missing? | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | which upgrades? API, DB, other (service) imports? | 14:27 |
| mclaren | Documentation? | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | I think we haven't revisited this topic in a bit and, while we have migrations in place, I think it'd be great to check if there's something we need to do to improve it | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | Everything Juno -> Kilo -> Liberty -> Mitaka | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | It's a wide open question | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | yeah, good question | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | has anyone tried it ? | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | There's a lot of work on communicating what the services' upgrade story is | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | Whether they support upgrades AND whether they support rolling upgrades | 14:28 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: Not since a few releases ago unfortunately... | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | I've been meaning to take some time to test the above but I wanted to ask if ppl have given that a try | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | thanks mclaren | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | ok, I guess we need to clear that story a bit | 14:29 |
| * flaper87 wonders if rosmaita has done upgrades | 14:29 | |
| nikhil_k | I will put this in my TODO list for the first few items when fully back. | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | I doubt it | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | I'll start an etherpad to collect thoughts and issues about this | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: ah, nice | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | thanks | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: do you have time for explaining rolling upgrade expectations? | 14:29 |
| * flaper87 removes that from his todo list | 14:29 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | Sure | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | tl;dr: The expectation is that you can upgrade 1 glance-api node at a time to avoid having down times | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | i have tried nova's online schema migration from juno >> kilo | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | but they have reverted it now | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | sometimes that's complicated when there are schema migrations, hence versionobjects | 14:31 |
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| Jokke_ | flaper87: I don't think the API side is our problem | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | gotcha, I am recollecting a bit on vo now. | 14:31 |
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| Jokke_ | flaper87: problem is when we do the DB migration and need to roll the registries | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | If we have a problem in the db side, I believe it'll affect the API as well | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:32 |
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| nikhil_k | flaper87: I thought the same | 14:32 |
| * nikhil_k is unsure if we added virtual size in juno or not | 14:32 | |
| flaper87 | if we have an old glance-api node running and we migrate the db under-the-hood, the glance-api node could break | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | and that will cause a downtime | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: thanks for taking this | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: I think it was Icehouse | 14:33 |
| Jokke_ | flaper87: our API <--> Registry communications have been really stable ... we really haven't introduced too huge expectations from the DB (on old functionality) | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | the same applies to the registry node | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | you need to upgrade those | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | and there are environments running without the registry service | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | pure glance-api envs | 14:34 |
| Jokke_ | flaper87: what I mean is, we most of the time survive just well if we upgrade API nodes and don't expect new features to work before reg/db has been upgraded | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | Also, can do do guarantees on sub-set of the API. say only CRUD on image+properties? | 14:34 |
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| flaper87 | Jokke_: I believe that's not a good expectation and surviving that is pure luck | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | We had a few API changes to metadef APIs but that's admin only and not sure of the operator expectations on those | 14:35 |
| Jokke_ | but as you said other way around is the pain and we need to roll our registries at the point we run db migrations | 14:35 |
| mclaren | we need to document what order to upgrade things in (if we haven't done so) | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: that was part of my question :D | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | huh | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | I don't think we've ever talked about this explicitly and we've just been happy with db migrations | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | which are great but not enough to make transitions smooth | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | it's interesting that a IT would want to upgrade API before DB | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | IT team | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | ok, it seems we need clarify our story here and, as mclaren said, document it | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: indeed | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: looking forward to your findings | 14:36 |
| mclaren | my 2 cents is that things will probably mostly work ok, but if we really start looking we could find potential issues. Eg I think the way the v2 registry error handling is done assumes the same code is on the API and registry nodes | 14:37 |
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| flaper87 | mclaren: ++ | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | especially given the possibility of DB sync going corrupt w/ restarts, extraneously long DB upgrades etc. | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | I think it's time for us to look for those issues and improve our story there. It'd be great to at least identify them and work on a long term plan to fix them | 14:37 |
| Jokke_ | and it will get trickier when you are running API only implementation | 14:37 |
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| mclaren | sounds like a mission for the next release :-) | 14:38 |
| Jokke_ | ++ | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | not saying this has to be all fixed in Mitaka - I mean, that'd be awesome - but definitely something for N | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: out of my MIND! | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | >.> | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | oh, there was a question on the upgrades for libraries breaking stuff | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | Identifying the issues now will help us build a plan for N and O | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | ++ | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | ok | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | moving on, unless there are more questions | 14:39 |
| mfedosin | NO plans :) | 14:39 |
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| nikhil_k | but I will take this item for mitaka | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | if ok | 14:39 |
| Jokke_ | nikhil_k: absolutely not, you must not try to upgrade ;) | 14:40 |
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| flaper87 | I'd like to have time for the reviews list | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: we can discuss this further on -glance when you're back | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | #topic Bug / Review Triage Day (flaper87) | 14:40 |
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| flaper87 | real quick: I'm thinking of organizing a Bug/Review triage/squash day. I know some folks are still out or not fully back on brain power | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: +1 | 14:40 |
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| flaper87 | so, I'm not going to propose it for this week, or next week. | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | What about the week after next week ? | 14:41 |
| kairat | big + 1 on this | 14:41 |
| mclaren | sure thing | 14:41 |
| mfedosin | I'm in | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | We're getting closer to M-1 and I'd like to have 1 of these days on every milestone | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | works for me, thanks! | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | AWESOME! | 14:41 |
| kairat | It would be useful for other to help glance fixin g the updated bugs | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | sweet | 14:41 |
| * flaper87 dances | 14:41 | |
| Jokke_ | flaper87: So Mon 23rd it is? | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | I'll send an email out with a proposed day | 14:42 |
| bpoulos | in the US, we have Thanksgiving week then | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | Jokke_: yeah, that week | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | bpoulos: oh uh, you US ppl | 14:42 |
| nikhil_k | ohai bpoulos, you're lurking :) | 14:42 |
| Jokke_ | flaper87: not that week, Monday | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | >.> | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | bpoulos: do ppl take the whole week of ? | 14:42 |
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| Jokke_ | exactly for the reason bpoulos brought up :P | 14:42 |
| nikhil_k | can't believe he missed thanksgiving week | 14:42 |
| bpoulos | everyone takes Thursday and Friday off, but some people take off the whole week | 14:42 |
| bpoulos | it depends on how far away they live from family usually | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | well, Mon 23rd works me | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | I'll send 2 dates, one for next week and one for the week after next week | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | we can vote on the m-l | 14:43 |
| Jokke_ | ++ | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | bpoulos: thanks for brining that up | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | bringing, even | 14:43 |
| bpoulos | flaper87: np | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | #topic Reviews / Bugs | 14:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews / Bugs (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:43 | |
| flaper87 | glance_store broken ceph gate -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243706/ | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | not sure who put that there | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | (or any of those) | 14:44 |
| mfedosin | I did | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: was that you? | 14:44 |
| mfedosin | yes | 14:44 |
| Jokke_ | mfedosin: so is glance_store breaking ceph or other way around? | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | anything specific you want to say? or just raise awareness ? | 14:44 |
| mfedosin | we have it broken and we can't merge commits to glance_store | 14:44 |
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| flaper87 | btw, I'll do a triage on the reviews today/tomorrow to refresh the dashboard | 14:45 |
| mfedosin | just raise awareness | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | why don't we keep these optional | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:45 |
| mfedosin | because I have no idea how to fix it | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | (Sorry that was a actual question) | 14:45 |
| kairat | nikhil_k, there is a lot of installations with ceph+glance | 14:45 |
| Jokke_ | mfedosin: ok, and have you checked is it only master or are all branches same way broken? | 14:45 |
| kairat | AFAIK | 14:45 |
| mfedosin | and it blocks our trust work for swift driver | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | yeah, but not all drivers should have to wait on the gate | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | Multitenant swift driver doesn't work? https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1511025 | 14:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1511025 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Image download with multi tenant true fails" [Undecided,New] | 14:45 |
| mclaren | is there a bug in for the broken gate? | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: ++ | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | we need to fix our functional tests for glance_store | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | kragniz: was working on that but he doesn't like us anymore (joke) | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | I think the core reviewers would be wise enough to notice the failure and stop the ceph patches in this case | 14:46 |
| mfedosin | functional test are ok | 14:46 |
| mfedosin | tempest is broken :) | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | Multitenant swift driver doesn't work? https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1511025 | 14:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1511025 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Image download with multi tenant true fails" [Undecided,New] | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | ops | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | Trusts for Glance are ready btw :) welcome to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229878/ | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | that's the work for trusts | 14:47 |
| mfedosin | and yeah - we can't make multitenant driver work | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | (please, note the spec hasn't landed) | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | feel free to review but abstain from approving until the spec lands | 14:47 |
| mfedosin | and it seems like bunting can't neither | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | looks like a bunch of auth failures there | 14:47 |
| mclaren | multitenant broken? :-( we really need all our stores tested in the gate | 14:47 |
| bunting | bunting: Sorry? | 14:47 |
| bunting | mfedosin: Sorry? | 14:48 |
| mclaren | bunting: https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1511025 | 14:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1511025 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Image download with multi tenant true fails" [Undecided,New] | 14:48 |
| kairat | bunting, you found a bug | 14:48 |
| mfedosin | bunting: is it your bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1511025 ? | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: ++ | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | I wish someone would take what kragniz started | 14:48 |
| bunting | Ah right :) | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | #link http://logs.openstack.org/06/243706/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full-ceph-src-glance_store/1420d1b/console.html#_2015-11-12_12_45_56_220 | 14:49 |
| mfedosin | mclaren: can you fix bug/1511025 ? | 14:49 |
| mclaren | flaper87: bunting is the new kragniz ;-) | 14:49 |
| kairat | heh | 14:50 |
| mclaren | mfedosin: magically? :-) | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | I think we should move this to non-voting to avoid last minute screams for stuff like security patches blocked on unrelated gate | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: w00000000h0000000000000000000000000 | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | bunting: well, sir. You found yourself a new task | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:50 |
| bunting | flaper87: Whooooo ): | 14:50 |
| bunting | :) | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 14:50 |
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| mclaren | mfedosin: myself and bunting can hopefully take a look, I definitely want that fixed... | 14:51 |
| mfedosin | mclaren: +1 | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | anything folks want to bring up or talk about? | 14:51 |
| mclaren | o/ | 14:51 |
| bunting | mclaren: ++ | 14:51 |
| mfedosin | after that we can start working on trusts for MT driver | 14:51 |
| bpoulos | I'd like to bring something up about the image signature verification | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: same here but I don't think I'll have time to make it happen other than providing reviews | 14:51 |
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| flaper87 | bpoulos: shoot | 14:51 |
| bpoulos | at the summit, we decided to leave the checksum as-is, and then add a second, configurable hash | 14:51 |
| bpoulos | currently, the signature is of the checksum, which is MD5, which is insecure | 14:51 |
| bpoulos | and discussing this feature with Nova, they are completely opposed to ever supporting anything with MD5 | 14:52 |
| bpoulos | they want to sign the image data directly, rather than signing a hash of the image data | 14:52 |
| bpoulos | would the glance community be opposed to doing the signature verification where the checksum is computed? | 14:52 |
| bpoulos | this would only occur if the signature properties are present | 14:52 |
| bpoulos | initially, there was opposition to a second hash being done | 14:52 |
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| bpoulos | but now it seems that as long as the hash is optional, the community is ok with it | 14:52 |
| bpoulos | based on the discussion about the configurable hash at the summit | 14:53 |
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| Jokke_ | bpoulos: that kind of makes sense ... _but_ how big performance impact using more complex algo's there would cause? | 14:53 |
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| flaper87 | mmh | 14:53 |
| bpoulos | it's just doing a hash such as SHA-256 or SHA-512 | 14:53 |
| bpoulos | it would be the same as computing a separate configurable hash | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | gotcha | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k | bpoulos: that would mean, we needing a published protected image property? | 14:54 |
| bpoulos | and it would only be what the user requested for the signature | 14:54 |
| bpoulos | we could use the existing signature metadata properties | 14:54 |
| bpoulos | without issue | 14:54 |
| bpoulos | we already define a signature hash method | 14:54 |
| Jokke_ | makes sense to me | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | bpoulos: has this been brought up on the m-l ? I still have some backlog there | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | where did the nova discussion happen? | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: not yet | 14:55 |
| bpoulos | no, the discussion has been on the nova spec | 14:55 |
| bpoulos | let me grab the link | 14:55 |
| tekentaro | any plans for adding new cores to team?, all other teams are expanding | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | tekentaro: there are plans | 14:55 |
| bpoulos | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188874/ | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | however, the fact that other teams are expanding, it doesn't mean we should (hope this doesn't come out harsh) | 14:55 |
| Jokke_ | flaper87: ++ | 14:55 |
| tekentaro | flaper87: ok | 14:55 |
| Jokke_ | peer pressure might be difficult to resist | 14:56 |
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| * flaper87 resists peer preasure very well unless there's alcohol involved | 14:56 | |
| * flaper87 stfu | 14:56 | |
| nikhil_k | bpoulos: do we need to have published protected image property? | 14:56 |
| bpoulos | no, i don't believe so | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | bpoulos: it makes sense to me as well, fwiw | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | how do we ensure the consistency/existence of it then? | 14:57 |
| bpoulos | we check for the optional properties | 14:57 |
| tekentaro | jokke_: i understood, I just remembered we have reduced 2-3 members month before | 14:57 |
| bpoulos | just like we're doing now | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | and I trust Daniel's opinions | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | bpoulos: wonder if we could bring this up on the m-l ? | 14:57 |
| bpoulos | flaper87: sure, if that's what you'd prefer | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | bpoulos: yeah, but I think we need to have it protected. | 14:58 |
| bpoulos | nikhil_k: why? | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | and now I think we are different page | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | don't mean to interrupt, but anyone interested in the image import refactor, please look at the spec and leave comments: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232371/ ... so far only flaper87 and mclaren have commented (which is good, they are high-quality comments, but now is the time to get your opinion known) | 14:58 |
| Jokke_ | tekentaro: we really didn't ... those people reduced themselves long time ago. We just did the paperwork | 14:58 |
| mclaren | rosmaita: got a few mins to chat after the meeting? | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | bpoulos: sorry, in my dictionary prot prop != base prop | 14:58 |
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| flaper87 | not saying we should ask nova to accept it but rather discussing how we can do it in glance | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | and get feedback from nova and other folks | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | bpoulos: your work impacts several services and it's super important for the community | 14:59 |
| * flaper87 senses the lag slowing down his messages | 14:59 | |
| nikhil_k | bpoulos: so, we will have it optional but by default restricted to teh user and documented so that it will be used for signing | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | mclaren: got searchlight meeting, how about 11:00 utc in openstack-glance ? | 14:59 |
| bpoulos | i'll bring it up on the m-l so we can discuss further there | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | ok, we're running out of time | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ++ | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ++ | 14:59 |
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| mclaren | rosmaita: 11:00? | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ++ | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | one more time | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ++ | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | ok, out of time | 15:00 |
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| flaper87 | thanks ppl | 15:00 |
| mclaren | thanks! | 15:00 |
| kairat | thanks | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: I don't want to leave comments and disappear for a few days! | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | that is quite likely | 15:00 |
| Jokke_ | thanks folks | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | thanks | 15:00 |
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| rosmaita | nikhil_k: that's ok, i will ignore your comments if i don't like them :) | 15:00 |
| tekentaro | thank you! | 15:00 |
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| bpoulos | thanks! | 15:00 |
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| nikhil_k | rosmaita: sure! I have a treat for you in that case :) | 15:01 |
| * nikhil_k done | 15:01 | |
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| nikhil_k | #chairs | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | #chair | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | not sure if flaper87 dropped off | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | wth, let's try | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 12 15:02:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-11-12-13.59.html | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-11-12-13.59.txt | 15:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-11-12-13.59.log.html | 15:02 |
| TravT | thanks, guys! | 15:03 |
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| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 12 15:03:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | ello | 15:03 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 15:03 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:03 |
| TravT | howdy! | 15:03 |
| yingjun | ;) | 15:04 |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 15:04 |
| TravT | Ok, here's our agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:04 |
| TravT | take a look and see if there's anything to add | 15:04 |
| TravT | although we've got a really full plate today, i think. | 15:05 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:05 |
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| gb21 | o/ | 15:05 |
| TravT | #topic Feature request workflow (blueprints, specs, bugs, etc) (TravT) | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feature request workflow (blueprints, specs, bugs, etc) (TravT) (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:05 | |
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| TravT | I sent a message to ML: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/68786 | 15:06 |
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| TravT | summary is, I think the time has come to document our feature request processes, and to specifically include how we handle feature requests that are more complicated | 15:07 |
| sjmc7 | i did wonder what the reason for seperate -specs repositories was, whenever that started (juno?) | 15:08 |
| TravT | that is supporting a way to review requests that are more complicated than launchpad effectively handles | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | but otherwise i’m in favor of being able to review specs in gerrit | 15:08 |
| TravT | i'm not sure, maybe to support separation of core spec reviewers and core code reviewers? | 15:09 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: it also shows up in a clean way and consolidated manner (across cycles) on specs.openstack.org | 15:09 |
| TravT | also many projects have multiple repos, | 15:09 |
| rosmaita | it's also a source of documentation | 15:09 |
| rosmaita | specs.openstack.org | 15:10 |
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| nikhil_k | there was a good question if specs are documentation or workflow process for feature proposal | 15:10 |
| rosmaita | what nikhil_k said | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | i think both - i’m ok keeping them in the /docs directory in the source tree for now | 15:10 |
| david-lyle | I think it can only be documentation of the plan | 15:10 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: LP can be spammed with blueprints and fortunately hasn't been the case with SL | 15:11 |
| david-lyle | final and spec may not precisely align | 15:11 |
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| nikhil_k | also, one critical update from cross project mtg | 15:11 |
| TravT | so, with what I proposed is that we basically are doing specs when needed, but they go in our source doc tree. | 15:11 |
| TravT | here's an example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243386/ | 15:11 |
| nikhil_k | the release mgmt is going away from LP into a different tool for bugs | 15:11 |
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| nikhil_k | that being said, teams would still have the option to maintain their own LP page | 15:11 |
| rosmaita | TravT: i'm not sure what the benefit of being non-standard on this is? | 15:12 |
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| TravT | i debated a bit on that as well... here was some of my thinking. | 15:12 |
| TravT | we document everything else in one location for searchlight | 15:12 |
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| rosmaita | but as david-lyle said, that's mostly finished product, not design | 15:13 |
| TravT | why do we have to go somewhere else (diff website, diff source repo) etc to document designs | 15:13 |
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| rosmaita | TravT: because some will be approved, and of those, only some will actually be implemented | 15:14 |
| david-lyle | yeah approving a spec or bp does not directly correlate to implementation | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | (nice rosmaita!) and rest of them put in the bucket list :) | 15:14 |
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| TravT | yeah, that part i get, which is why I included a status in the feature design template | 15:15 |
| TravT | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/81/243881/2/check/gate-searchlight-docs/8270651//doc/build/html/feature-designs/template.html | 15:15 |
| TravT | but there was one other idea... | 15:15 |
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| TravT | can we sometimes have feature requests be submitted as though there were actual doc updates? | 15:15 |
| TravT | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/81/243881/2/check/gate-searchlight-docs/8270651//doc/build/html/feature-requests-bugs.html#as-user-docs | 15:15 |
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| TravT | some of this is coming from experience on horizon where we seem to be in a constant state of trying to get people to document there features. | 15:16 |
| TravT | s/there/their | 15:16 |
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| TravT | and was trying to think if there was a way to streamline it all | 15:16 |
| nikhil_k | good luck with that :) | 15:17 |
| yingjun | Maybe it is better to make a new directory to hold the implemented feature? | 15:17 |
| david-lyle | TravT: that was just poor review standards, shouldn't have happened | 15:17 |
| TravT | but if you guys think we should just do specs, we can do that too. Will just need to setup spec repo | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | i’m fine with either | 15:17 |
| rosmaita | TravT: we definitely want to make sure there's something to find for searchlight at specs.openstack.org | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | agree that being standard is probably more sensible | 15:17 |
| rosmaita | could be a redirect, i guess | 15:18 |
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| nikhil_k | +1 | 15:18 |
| rosmaita | but that could be confusing, too | 15:18 |
| nikhil_k | if we can setup docs/ in searchlight to be shown at specs.openstack.org it would be great | 15:18 |
| david-lyle | I would be reluctant to merge spec and code repos, but what tool houses specs, meh | 15:18 |
| rosmaita | TravT: i appreciate your desire to keep things streamlined, but it might be better overall to go with the flow | 15:18 |
| rosmaita | of the rest of openstack | 15:18 |
| TravT | okay, that sounds reasonable. | 15:18 |
| TravT | i'll put up a request for spec repo. | 15:19 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 15:19 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: the reason is that we would be playing cat and mouse while the overall flow is driven by release team | 15:19 |
| TravT | but, please give comments on rest of workflow | 15:19 |
| TravT | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/81/243881/2/check/gate-searchlight-docs/8270651//doc/build/html/feature-requests-bugs.html#workflow | 15:19 |
| * david-lyle hopes to be watching 40 repos by the end of Mitaka | 15:19 | |
| TravT | basically, not require a spec for every feature. | 15:20 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243881 | 15:20 |
| TravT | only when needed | 15:20 |
| TravT | or do you guys think one should always be required? | 15:21 |
| TravT | which is contrary to previous discussions | 15:21 |
| * nikhil_k fine either way | 15:22 | |
| david-lyle | +1 for less overhead for lightweight changes | 15:22 |
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| sjmc7 | for anything that’s really straightforward i don’t think it’s necessary | 15:22 |
| * nikhil_k actually doesn't care much about what process to follow too. just giving feedback. | 15:22 | |
| sjmc7 | much as i enjoy nitpicking reviews over people’s grammar | 15:22 |
| rosmaita | the argument for a spec is TravT's documentation point | 15:22 |
| rosmaita | it forces some doc to work from for the "real" doc | 15:22 |
| david-lyle | sjmc7: I think it's just your misunderstanding of "proper" English :P | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | ha | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | no approvals without at least one rap in the spec | 15:23 |
| sjmc7 | it’s going to make a comeback, any day now. i’m not that bothered either, but i think the project’s still small enough we can be a bit informal | 15:24 |
| TravT | I like lightweight where we can, because I can still go through and manage them fairly easily. | 15:24 |
| TravT | Ok, I'll amend the review to have a spec repo. | 15:25 |
| rosmaita | maybe we propose bp only for small feature, but require a section "how this would be documented for users" | 15:25 |
| nikhil_k | sorry I have to drop off for travel. will catch from logs later. | 15:25 |
| TravT | thanks nikhil_k | 15:25 |
| rosmaita | nikhil_k: travel safely! | 15:25 |
| TravT | next boring stuff topic... | 15:25 |
| TravT | #topic Reno release notes: | 15:25 |
| nikhil_k | thanks guys! | 15:25 |
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| * nikhil_k & | 15:26 | |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/setup-reno-based-release-notes | 15:26 |
| TravT | basically, relmgr wants us to put a little yml file in the repo for big features | 15:26 |
| TravT | and release notes will be generated from that | 15:26 |
| TravT | Are there any volunteers to set this up for searchlight (I can if nobody else is interested)? | 15:27 |
| lakshmiS | i can try | 15:27 |
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| TravT | thx Lakshmi. | 15:28 |
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| TravT | I'll assign that bp to you | 15:28 |
| lakshmiS | ok | 15:28 |
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| rosmaita | lakshmiS: doug h just did it for glance | 15:28 |
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| TravT | ok, now slowly move to maybe more interesting | 15:29 |
| lakshmiS | thanks rosmaita: will take a look | 15:29 |
| TravT | #topic Summit review | 15:29 |
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| TravT | The presentation Steve, Lakshmi, and I did is available on youtube. | 15:29 |
| TravT | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jYXsK4j26s | 15:30 |
| TravT | FYI. | 15:30 |
| TravT | The venue was rather challenging... we were in the back corner of the marketplace pretty far from the main conference sessions and the design summit | 15:30 |
| TravT | I counted around 45 - 50 attendees | 15:30 |
| TravT | but there were glance and horizon design sessions at the same time | 15:31 |
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| TravT | which were about a 15 minute walk away | 15:31 |
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| TravT | But overall, it went well. | 15:31 |
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| TravT | I took all the priorities and integrations and opened blueprints for them | 15:32 |
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| TravT | and took a swag at priority | 15:32 |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight | 15:32 |
| TravT | if you disagree on any, let me know | 15:33 |
| rosmaita | lakshmiS: i think these are the relevant changes for reno: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241323/ , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243302/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241322/ , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241321/ | 15:33 |
| TravT | But, my question is whether or not you all would be interested in doing a BP review and prioritization session next week? | 15:34 |
| sjmc7 | i added a couple more yesterday (at the top of the ‘undefined’ list) | 15:34 |
| TravT | yeah, i also want to add one related to our /index API | 15:34 |
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| lakshmiS | thanks rosmaita | 15:35 |
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| sjmc7 | i think we have a pretty good idea of the priorities coming out of the summit, that list looks good | 15:35 |
| lakshmiS | TravT: that sounds good | 15:35 |
| rosmaita | TravT: +1 | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | i’d be ok doing more design type reviews once there are more fleshed out specs | 15:35 |
| TravT | i'm not sure what lakshmiS and rosmaita are +1'ing | 15:36 |
| rosmaita | BP review & prioritization next week | 15:36 |
| david-lyle | probably that the prioritized list meets expectatoins | 15:36 |
| lakshmiS | i think its good to get everyone to review the list on BP | 15:36 |
| david-lyle | or that | 15:36 |
| david-lyle | :P | 15:36 |
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| TravT | ok, i can do tuesday or wednesday at the same time or later next week | 15:37 |
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| rosmaita | TravT: tues,wed same time works for me | 15:38 |
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| TravT | let's plan on Tuesday 15:00 UTC. We'll start in the #openstack-searchlight | 15:38 |
| TravT | let's get to some technical topics... | 15:39 |
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| TravT | #topic Swift integration | 15:39 |
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| TravT | Do we have briancline? | 15:39 |
| TravT | doesn't look like it. | 15:39 |
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| lakshmiS | nope | 15:39 |
| TravT | Well, I think it'd be good to share status updates with others. | 15:40 |
| TravT | sjmc7 you went to the meeting yesterday... want to give a summary? | 15:40 |
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| sjmc7 | the swift folks aren’t keen on bring in dependencies for things in tree, particularly oslo things (although as brian pointed out the keystone middleware brings in most of oslo) | 15:41 |
| lakshmiS | :( | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | but in principle there’s support for adding notifications | 15:41 |
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| sjmc7 | so something simple out of tree is our best bet for now | 15:41 |
| TravT | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-11-11-21.00.log.html | 15:42 |
| TravT | starting at 21:31:09 | 15:42 |
| TravT | FYI | 15:42 |
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| sjmc7 | that was the summary, really, plus a lot of bike shedding | 15:42 |
| TravT | sjmc7: it seemed to me that they were okay with possibly adding a soft dependency | 15:42 |
| TravT | like they do with keystone | 15:42 |
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| TravT | how does that work for them? | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | you have to install keystonemiddleware separately | 15:43 |
| TravT | so, basically put it in the deploy pipeline? | 15:43 |
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| sjmc7 | they didn’t seem very keen on adding anything in the swift tree | 15:43 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, then enable the middleware | 15:43 |
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| sjmc7 | there is some precedent for external middleware | 15:43 |
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| lakshmiS | that would make it tough to have code sit in swift which depends on oslo directly | 15:44 |
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| sjmc7 | right - nothing can be added to requirements.txt | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | so the question is whether the file that sends notifications lives in swift or not, and the feeling i got was ‘not’, at least for now | 15:44 |
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| sjmc7 | but i think the best plan is to put something together to show them | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | nobody really had a good handle on what would be involved; they don’t use the oslo libraries much | 15:45 |
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| TravT | so, this could be put into searchlight repo, but that might be problematic for packaging and deploy | 15:45 |
| TravT | i'm not a packaging person, so i don't know | 15:46 |
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| sjmc7 | no, i don’t think that’s a good idea | 15:46 |
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| lakshmiS | agree with sjmc7 on have it use oslo and start discussing after a patch | 15:46 |
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| sjmc7 | i think a good first step would be to put some middleware together, and possibly proopse it as a review | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | alternatively stackforge it for now | 15:46 |
| TravT | start it as a review | 15:46 |
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| sjmc7 | i’m going to cobble something together today i think | 15:46 |
| TravT | i'm sure it'll get bumped out. | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | yeah | 15:47 |
| TravT | but, might as well get it up there for their input | 15:47 |
| TravT | making it easy to review is important | 15:47 |
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| sjmc7 | yep. well, it’s one file and reasonably straightforward | 15:47 |
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| TravT | lakshmiS: were you able to start on the initial indexing for swift? | 15:48 |
| lakshmiS | swift should consider a conditional install based on the notification approach used | 15:48 |
| lakshmiS | yes started on it | 15:49 |
| lakshmiS | will put WIP patch once i have the basic things working | 15:50 |
| TravT | ok. | 15:50 |
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| TravT | daddyjoseph97: saw you joined. anything to report related to swift integration? | 15:50 |
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| TravT | maybe not... | 15:51 |
| daddyjoseph97 | sorry, was in standup... | 15:52 |
| TravT | no worries. | 15:52 |
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| TravT | time is running short, so just will open it up for people to talk about remaining blueprints. | 15:52 |
| TravT | #topic BP review | 15:52 |
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| daddyjoseph97 | I am in favor of conditional install just as briancline had mentioned about dependencies common to keystoneclient | 15:52 |
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| TravT | sjmc7 put out a request for review here: | 15:53 |
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| TravT | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077962.html | 15:53 |
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| TravT | he and i have chatted a bit about it separately | 15:54 |
| TravT | I think we need this BP into a spec repo for proper review | 15:54 |
| TravT | yingjun: I saw you entered the zaqar BP | 15:54 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, i’ll do that once we’re agreed where they’re going | 15:54 |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/zaqar-notification | 15:54 |
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| TravT | yingjun: i will look at it today, but will try to get a spec repo up | 15:55 |
| TravT | i think that one will need it | 15:55 |
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| TravT | gb21: are you around? | 15:56 |
| yingjun | that’s not me, i think | 15:56 |
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| TravT | oh, my bad. | 15:56 |
| yingjun | no problem:) | 15:57 |
| TravT | Well, i think we've run out of time to have additional effective discussion on these BPs today. | 15:57 |
| TravT | we can do that in room if needed | 15:57 |
| TravT | anything else from anybody? | 15:57 |
| TravT | ok, well, thanks everybody! | 15:58 |
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| sjmc7 | thanks | 15:58 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 12 15:58:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-11-12-15.03.html | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-11-12-15.03.txt | 15:58 |
| rosmaita | nope, see you Tues at 15 UTC in #openstack-searchlight | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-11-12-15.03.log.html | 15:58 |
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| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 12 16:00:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:00 |
| prometheanfire | \o | 16:01 |
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| cloudnull | o/ | 16:01 |
| hughsaunders | hey | 16:01 |
| mattt | o/ | 16:01 |
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| d34dh0r53 | o/ | 16:01 |
| BjoernT | o/ ? | 16:01 |
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| andymccr | o/ | 16:01 |
| * palendae waits for rollcall | 16:01 | |
| hughsaunders | BjoernT: not sure if you're here? | 16:02 |
| BjoernT | yes | 16:02 |
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| odyssey4me | lol, whoops | 16:02 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:03 |
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| palendae | Hello! | 16:03 |
| d34dh0r53 | o/ | 16:03 |
| oneswig | \o | 16:03 |
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| KLevenstein | o/ | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | o/ v2 | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | welcome oneswig | 16:04 |
| prometheanfire | \o | 16:04 |
| oneswig | cloudnull: thanks, first tiem | 16:04 |
| prometheanfire | we'll be gentle | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | welcome oneswig :) | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | right, let's get the show on the road | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | except it wasn't last week, or the week before (summit week) | 16:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | moo. | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-10-22-16.02.html | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | no action items, so all is well | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Items in progress or otherwise in need of work | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Installation guide blueprint | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | KLevenstein Sam-I-Am ^ your topic :) | 16:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | yup | 16:06 |
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| cloudnull | what say you ?! :) | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | KLevenstein: moo? | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok... | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | so here's the thing | 16:07 |
| KLevenstein | mostly I wanted to call attention to it | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh, there she is | 16:07 |
| KLevenstein | since I think it’s important | 16:07 |
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| odyssey4me | it is :) | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | are we looking for volunteers to make it happen? or further input of some sort? | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | further input | 16:08 |
| KLevenstein | it’s also relevant to various things we’re trying to manage from the rpc-openstack side | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | the direction it takes (and o-a in general) impacts rpc-openstack | 16:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the original plan was to more or less point to or consume the o-a docs for the generic installation bits... the rpc docs merely augment it with rpc-specific things | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-ansible-specs/specs/mitaka/install-guide.html | 16:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | however, it seems like o-a is taking a turn toward not being opinionated or fully deployable... just modules to consume. | 16:10 |
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| odyssey4me | not exactly, but continue | 16:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | well thats the problem | 16:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | docs doesnt really know whats happening with o-a | 16:10 |
| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am: no, OSA will break the modules out but the repo will still continue to be deployable | 16:11 |
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| KLevenstein | we could use input on the spec, then, for more clarity on what needs to be documented, and how. | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | 's/modules/roles/' | 16:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | we're trying to figure out if we should create (or continue to maintain) an entirely separate install guide for rpc that covers all of the things rpc needs... or expect that we can consume the o-a install guide. | 16:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: submodules? | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | KLevenstein ah, I think when the spec was approved it seemed to cloudnull and I that the work was already in mind - it wasn't clear that there was a desire for input | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | #/kickban Sam-I-Am | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | :) | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | ok, so if I may I can clarify the general direction | 16:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | odyssey4me: i wrote the spec when people were out on the assumption that o-a was keeping a conventional install guide that installs an opinionated-enough system that works | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | ^ Sam-I-Am that should continue | 16:13 |
| KLevenstein | (fwiw I believe we should treat the OA installation documentation and the rpc-openstack documentation as completely separate documents.) | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | effectively the roles, playbooks and scripts in the repository(ies) are tools in a toolbox for deployers to use as they choose | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am: the role movement will have no effect on the deploy-ability of the OSA project. | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | as per the spec in http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-ansible-specs/specs/mitaka/gate-split.html the repository will still provide meta plays to showcase how to use everything to implement well known use cases | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | there will need to be pre-role documentation for OSA to describe the options for configuring the roles... I would guess that you would not want to duplicate these docs in rpc-openstack | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | *per role | 16:15 |
| KLevenstein | odyssey4me: okay, the spec should capture that type of information | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | the idea was minimizing duplication and places to track changes | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | if its not specific to rpc, it resides in the o-a docs | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | there will also need to be documentation for how to use the tooling to setup your environment - essentially the basic install guide we now have | 16:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | therefore if o-a docs change, the rpc docs follow | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | so I agree with cloudnull here, the existing install guide provides value to OSA and will continue too | 16:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ok. question is... can we expect it to be maintained? | 16:17 |
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| odyssey4me | and it would be awesome to have rpc-docs working on OSA docs as upstream and then only looking at specific RPC opinionations in a different docs location | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's still some rax technical debt in it (such as the architecture) | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | Sam-I-Am yes, thus far the maintenance has been done by the community, for the community | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | we could do with some help making it pretty, as it's become an organic growth mess | 16:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | true. does it work still? | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | or even not pretty, but to keep it simple and validated on an ongoing basis | 16:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | it sort of has fallen by the wayside | 16:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | hence the spec... effort to figure out how to make it both useful and easier to maintain? | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | we've had many patches in the last few months from people working through them and validating them, so I expect that it still works | 16:19 |
| KLevenstein | odyssey4me: I think if we (rpcdocs, and anyone else) have a clearer idea of what needs to be added/maintained in OA, it’ll—yes, what Sam-I-Am said | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | a large proportion of the specs since the liberty release has been docs | 16:19 |
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| KLevenstein | so I’d like to see the spec enhanced a bit with things like what you said: add pre-role documentation, etc. | 16:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | basically i'm looking for more info on recommended structure | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | ok, perhaps we can set aside half of next thu's meeting to work through that in an etherpad, with discussion? | 16:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | right now the docs are more or less a copy of what we had for rpc | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | basically if you guys can facilitate a structured discussion then we can focus energy on it with a productive outcome | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | or maybe we carry that convo into the channel ? | 16:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | or that | 16:21 |
| KLevenstein | odyssey4me cloudnull: I approve | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | but an etherpad to outline all the things would be great . | 16:21 |
| KLevenstein | I can set up an etherpad | 16:21 |
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| cloudnull | sweet | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, we can chat after the meeting a bit - but I think that a structured and prepared for discussion that's facilitated would be most productive - which needs the time to prep | 16:21 |
| KLevenstein | here you go: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oa-install-docs | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oa-install-docs | 16:22 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yay | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | ok, so we can work up a framework and put Q&A's in during the next week - then can we have a volunteer to actually facilitate the finalisaiton of it in next week's meeting? | 16:23 |
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| odyssey4me | KLevenstein would you be happy to do so? | 16:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | i may not be around for next week's meeting | 16:23 |
| KLevenstein | sure | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | great, thanks! | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | #action KLevenstein to facilitate a discussion for documentation improvements in the next community meeting | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | #action all to contribute to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oa-install-docs with thoughts/ideas/questions ahead of the workshop | 16:25 |
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| odyssey4me | alright, we have no other specific topic at hand on the agenda but I did want to make sure that we have some open discussion | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Open discussion | 16:26 |
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| palendae | I'd appreciate people's thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242225/ | 16:26 |
| mattt | palendae: no immediate feedback, other than thank you | 16:27 |
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| palendae | It's gonna require some work; I'd really like to get to the point where tests can just import the dynamic inventory, but I think that'll have to be done in steps | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | palendae I haven't looked in too much detail, but a few thoughts | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | one is that the general standard for tests in openstack projects appears to be to use the directory 'tests', not 'test' - so that'd be good to change | 16:28 |
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| odyssey4me | also, I think that we're going to end up with a variety of tests with other files needed, like this - so I'd suggest an extra subfolder with a name that matches the tox env name - does that make sense? | 16:29 |
| palendae | Yeah. We're also going to need different files for inventory tests, because testing with the AIO example files is just 1 case | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | ie put all files into tests/inventory/ | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | palendae: I think that change is great as a first step to generally improving our inventory bits | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | ah sure, but perhaps that can be an additional case added afterwards | 16:30 |
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| cloudnull | so thank you ++ | 16:30 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: Right, I'm not adding those right now | 16:30 |
| palendae | But they'll be needed | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | I'm pretty sure that there could be a lot more tests implemented for the dynamic inventory. | 16:31 |
| palendae | Absolutely | 16:31 |
| mattt | did we hit any issues in the past w/ the inventory that we haven't accounted for yet? | 16:32 |
| mattt | i know the dupe IP thing was the obvious | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | mattt TDD doesn't work like that :p | 16:32 |
| palendae | mattt: One that may be a candidate https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1512883 | 16:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1512883 in openstack-ansible "Host name of haproxy in openstack_user_config.yml causes recursion error" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:33 |
| palendae | Though I've not really dug into that | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | one of the goals for this cycle is to increase test coverage to improve code quality | 16:35 |
| mattt | we should do this for every bit of python that we have in openstack-ansible | 16:35 |
| mattt | all the modules that we're carrying etc. | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | so it'd be great if those interested could spend some cycles considering how best to do some of that | 16:35 |
| mattt | so i think this is a great start | 16:35 |
| cloudnull | mattt: ++ i think once we find a place for the libs/plugins to live outside of the main repo we can embark on adding tests and such | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | this also comes into play for improving infrastructure upgrades - for example, before upgrading - run some tests to confirm that the environment is actually in good working order | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | also there's a lot of work happening in ansible for v2.0 interms of openstack libs to manage installs | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | then afterwards, do another test to confirm that stuff's not broken | 16:36 |
| palendae | I think ideally the inventory will become a lib that could stand alone, too | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | we might want to see what we can begin using there. | 16:36 |
| palendae | But that may be a long way off | 16:36 |
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| odyssey4me | so we need to think about tests in layers - unit, functional, etc | 16:37 |
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| odyssey4me | alright, anyone else got something they want to raise? | 16:39 |
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| mattt | the neutron db migrations change, if someone has time to test | 16:40 |
| mattt | (pulling up the review now) | 16:40 |
| mattt | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240560/ | 16:40 |
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| pabelanger | ohai | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | ++ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241483/ -- when people have time | 16:41 |
| pabelanger | sorry I am last | 16:41 |
| pabelanger | laste* | 16:41 |
| pabelanger | grr | 16:41 |
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| cloudnull | o/ hi pabelanger | 16:41 |
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| odyssey4me | pabelanger o/ and welcome | 16:42 |
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| odyssey4me | we're currently in open discussion, so feel free to introduce yourself and present anything for discussion | 16:42 |
| pabelanger | Since it is open discussion, let me do intros. Name is Paul Belanger, work at Red Hat. Looking to help contribute to ansible more. Been working with openstack-infra for the last 3.5 years, so I want to help improving the testing infra for ansible (roles) | 16:43 |
| cloudnull | welcome ! | 16:43 |
| pabelanger | So, over the next few days. I'll likely be asking questions / helping to move all the ansible roles to a common test format. For example, tox -eansible-lint | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | pabelanger yeah, I've tried to engage on that topic with infra a few times but the interest is small, so your collaboration is welcome! | 16:43 |
| pabelanger | talking to cloudnull last night, seem we both share a common goal | 16:43 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:44 |
| pabelanger | odyssey4me: Ya, for sure. Personally, I have an unofficial project at https://github.com/openstack/ansible-role-nodepool and have plans to build out testing for it. If we can share testing stuff, I think it will be great | 16:44 |
| oneswig | As a general question of direction, is the long-term aim to have modules that provide mechanism and configuration data to implement policy? It looks like this is the way the project is driving? | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | pabelanger agreed, the more we can help each other the better | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | oneswig if I understand what you mean - that is currently how everything's designed but we're driving to make that clearer | 16:46 |
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| pabelanger | great. So, like I said. I'll likely be asking some questions in the coming days and help bridge the effort between openstack-ansible and openstack-infra :) | 16:46 |
| oneswig | odyssey4me thanks I'm interested in using OSA to explore different configs and seeing the effect | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | oneswig right now it seems like everything's tightly coupled, even though all roles are usable independently - we're splitting the roles out into their own repositories to clarify that they're independently usable, but the playbooks also form two functions | 16:47 |
| pabelanger | But with that, I have to run. Need to walk daughter to school. | 16:47 |
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| odyssey4me | one function is that we have playbooks which do certain functions - like install keystone on multiple hosts, or build containers on multiple hosts | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | awesome, thanks pabelanger | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | those playbooks can be seen as kind-of an API within the project... they can get consumed by meta-playbooks | 16:48 |
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| odyssey4me | the meta-playbooks may be built by deployers to mix and match things as they want, but we also include meta-playbooks which cover the use-cases we test with and support | 16:49 |
| oneswig | odyssey4me this sounds like just what I am looking for, thanks | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | then we have configuration, which we split entirely out of the code tree - and only provide samples and docs in tree | 16:49 |
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| odyssey4me | oneswig great! | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | anyone else wish to raise anything? | 16:51 |
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| odyssey4me | alright, thank you all for your time :) | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 12 16:54:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-11-12-16.00.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-11-12-16.00.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-11-12-16.00.log.html | 16:54 |
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| igordcard | cathy_, hi | 16:59 |
| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 12 16:59:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 16:59 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 16:59 |
| cathy_ | hi everyone | 16:59 |
| pcarver | hi | 16:59 |
| igordcard | hi all | 16:59 |
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| cathy_ | hope everyone had a good time at the summit. Now let's work on getting the sfc code ready and released. | 17:01 |
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| cathy_ | I I have the following topics to discuss today | 17:01 |
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| cathy_ | 1. Flow classifier plugin being separate from port chain plugin, 2.Rebase our code on Neutron Liberty stable branch, 3.Dependency setup 4.Put Code review completion time line. | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | any other topic you would like to discuss? | 17:03 |
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| cathy_ | #topic Flow classifier plugin being separate from port chain plugin | 17:04 |
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| pcarver | That looks like a good list, but if there's time I'd like to let people who aren't at OPNFV know about some of the conversations that took place yesterday. | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: sure | 17:04 |
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| mohankumar | hi | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | This separate FC plugin is a leftover topic from our last IRC meeting. | 17:05 |
| igordcard | pcarver, good, thanks | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | It seems most of us think we should keep the FC plugin as a separate plugin from the port chain plugin. | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | Anyone has different opinion? | 17:06 |
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| pcarver | I think we should at least make a good faith effort to define a common classifier and only have a separate one if there are solid technical reasons why it can't be common. | 17:06 |
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| pcarver | There are at least three different components of Neutron that need to do flow classification and the user shouldn't be forced to use three different APIs. | 17:07 |
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| pcarver | Unless there's some really fundamental technical reason we can't express all the necessary semantics. | 17:08 |
| igordcard | is it going to be extensible/supporting plugging in different classification criteria? say a custom L7 classification engine? | 17:08 |
| johnsom | I agree. Aligning and working to define a common code base is in our best interest | 17:08 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: Agree. I think our current FC can be evolved easily to a common FC. | 17:08 |
| pcarver | Sean Collins did some PoC work but I haven't had a chance to take a look at it. Did anybody else see it? | 17:08 |
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| pcarver | https://github.com/sc68cal/neutron-classifier | 17:09 |
| cathy_ | But for now, as we discussed before, let's keep it in networking-sfc but implement it as a separate plugin. | 17:09 |
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| pcarver | cathy_: agree on keeping it in until there's something ready to replace it with | 17:09 |
| cathy_ | as separate plugin for future migration | 17:09 |
| s3wong | sorry, late | 17:10 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: hi | 17:10 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: np | 17:10 |
| mohankumar | cathy_ : Agree | 17:10 |
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| cathy_ | igordcard: yes it will support L7 param based classification. But we have not implement that part yet, but the API has it | 17:11 |
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| cathy_ | The API has an extension place for it. | 17:12 |
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| igordcard | cathy_, thanks, yeah I see the L7 params, have you finished the "design" of this? | 17:13 |
| cathy_ | So everyone agrees to keep the flow classifier in networking-sfc but implement it as a separate plugin? Any different opinion? | 17:13 |
| pcarver | +1 | 17:13 |
| johnsom | +1 | 17:13 |
| igordcard | +1 | 17:14 |
| s3wong | +1 | 17:14 |
| mohankumar | +1 | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | igordcard: no detail design/implementation for this phase, we can do it in next phase | 17:14 |
| igordcard | cathy_, okay, good, thanks | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | #agreed keep the flow classifier in networking-sfc but implement it as a separate plugin | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | now let's go to next topic | 17:14 |
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| cathy_ | #topic Rebase our code on Neutron Liberty stable branch | 17:15 |
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| cathy_ | I have not monitored the Liberty release label. Is there a stable label to rebase our sfc code? Or should we just base our code on master branch? | 17:16 |
| cathy_ | armax: are you there? Could you shed some light on this? | 17:17 |
| johnsom | 7.0.0 is the stable tag, but there is a stable/liberty branch as well | 17:18 |
| s3wong | cathy_: I do believe it is customary for OpenStack release management to tag integrated release with stable/<release-name> | 17:18 |
| armax | cathy_: for stable branches you should reach out to mestery | 17:18 |
| johnsom | You probably want the branch if you want stable as critical fixes will be backported | 17:18 |
| armax | mestery: he’s our release guru | 17:18 |
| mestery | armax cathy_: Even better, file a bug and follow the process :) | 17:18 |
| armax | cathy_: do you need a stable branch? | 17:18 |
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| cathy_ | armax: yes I would like to rebase SFC code on a stable Neutron branch | 17:19 |
| johnsom | I don't think you want to cut a stable branch yet. | 17:19 |
| Prithiv | any particular reason for keeping it as a separate plugin ? | 17:20 |
| armax | cathy_: ok | 17:20 |
| pcarver | mestery: I think Cathy's question may be a bit different although I'm not sure I grasp the details. She's not asking about releasing networking-sfc, she's asking about pinning networking-sfc to a Neutron release | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | mestery: could you point us to a link on the filing bug and process? I know one link but would like to make sure it is the right one | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: you are right | 17:20 |
| mestery | pcarver: Why would it be pinned to a neutron release? | 17:20 |
| mestery | That doesn't make sense | 17:20 |
| mestery | It's release independent | 17:20 |
| mestery | armax: What am I missing? | 17:21 |
| cathy_ | mestery: we have some dependency on neutron code | 17:21 |
| pcarver | mestery: I'm not sure I understand the details, we may need more discussion on what exactly the dependency is | 17:21 |
| johnsom | I'm not sure why you would want it pinned either | 17:21 |
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| pcarver | One issue we have (that we need to follow up on) is the subclassing of the OvS agent | 17:22 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: yes, that is the dependency. | 17:23 |
| pcarver | We know we need to resolve that, but for the time being we're deriving a customized OvS agent from the Neutron one in order to add the OvS flows needed to direct traffic through chains | 17:23 |
| cathy_ | mestery: johnsom that is why I am thinking about rebasing to latest stable Neutron code base | 17:23 |
| igordcard | so isn't it enough to make use of master neutron? | 17:24 |
| johnsom | Wouldn't you want to track master changes? | 17:24 |
| pcarver | I presume we're going to need to keep pulling OvS agent updates into networking-sfc until we can get an extensibility mechanism into the Neutron OvS agent that allows us to manipulate flows in the required manner | 17:25 |
| pcarver | igordcard, johnsom: That's the ideal, but we don't think it works yet | 17:25 |
| cathy_ | igordcard: johnsom yes we would like to track master changes, but some times new bugs in master impact our testing | 17:26 |
| pcarver | we need to to add flows into OvS and we don't think the Neutron OvS agent has a mechanism for us to extend it in the required way to add the flows we need | 17:26 |
| cathy_ | so I am thinking about doing sync once in a while to stable master branch labels. | 17:27 |
| igordcard | pcarver, but neither does the liberty branch of it, right? | 17:27 |
| igordcard | cathy_, sorry, sync to stable branches or master branch? | 17:28 |
| pcarver | igordcard: correct. Discussion about enhancing the extensibility just came up at the summit and is still in the information gather stage. What we're talking about is the need to update networking-sfc's derived version periodically. | 17:28 |
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| cathy_ | igordcard: sorry I was confusing you folks. | 17:28 |
| cathy_ | I am thinking about stable master branch labels. | 17:29 |
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| cathy_ | Are there such labels? | 17:29 |
| igordcard | pcarver, cathy_ , okay, yeah I see - so update it periodically so you get the best balance between mitaka-progress and not wasting time fixing conflicts due to recent master branch work in neutron | 17:30 |
| pcarver | We don't want the networking-sfc derived agent to diverge from the upstream Neutron version in the mean time while we're working through what needs to be enhanced in the upstream version to allow us to deprecate the derived version. | 17:30 |
| johnsom | Not that I am aware of. It's stable/liberty, master, or there will likely be lables for the milestones, M1, M2, etc | 17:30 |
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| cathy_ | igordcard: yes | 17:30 |
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| cathy_ | johnsom: Ok, then probably what we can do is to rebase to milestone labels? thought? | 17:32 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: yes, sure agree | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | johnsom: do you know if there us M1 label available now? | 17:34 |
| johnsom | M1 gets cut the first week in December per the schedule | 17:35 |
| johnsom | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | johnsom: thanks, then we can do the rebase in early December. | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | Ok, let's go to the next topic. | 17:36 |
| cathy_ | #topic dependency setup | 17:37 |
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| cathy_ | Here is what is stated on the openstack guideline: The dependency on Neutron must not be present in requirements lists though, and instead belongs to tox.ini depenndency section. Direct library usage requires that this library is mentioned in requirements lists of the subproject To keep your subproject in sync with neutron, it is highly recommended that you register your project in openstack/requirements:projects.txt file t | 17:38 |
| cathy_ | Once a subproject opts in global requirements synchronization, it should enable check-requirements jobs in project-config. | 17:39 |
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| cathy_ | could anyone take an action item to make sure our networking-sfc is doing what is stated above for subproject? | 17:40 |
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| cathy_ | s3wong: pcarver could you help with this? | 17:41 |
| pcarver | cathy_: I'll take a look at it | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: thanks! | 17:41 |
| igordcard | cathy_, the plan in the future is to merge back to neutron correct? | 17:42 |
| igordcard | after mitaka | 17:42 |
| pcarver | I understand the bit about the check-requirements job. I need to look into the bit about tox.ini part | 17:42 |
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| johnsom | pcarver You can look at neutron-lbaas which uses zuul cloner. Not sure if it's the right way to get neutron or not, but it works. | 17:42 |
| cathy_ | #action Paul will take a look at the dependency setup requirement for subproject and make sure our SFC is compliant with what is required. | 17:42 |
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| cathy_ | igordcard: I don't think subproject needs to merge back to neutron. My understanding is that we can release independently but we need Neutron release team to help tag it for release. | 17:43 |
| cathy_ | Ok, let's go to next topic | 17:44 |
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| cathy_ | #topic Put Code review completion time line | 17:44 |
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| cathy_ | what is a good time line for everyone to finish the detail review for every patch out there and then we can start working on the release of the codes? | 17:46 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: some reviews have comments... should we wait for them to be addressed? | 17:47 |
| cathy_ | I am thinking about just putting one timeline. Each of us can work on the review of each patch based on our own schedule and expertise as long as we finish them by the time line. | 17:47 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: sure, we should upload new patches to incorporate those comments. | 17:48 |
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| cathy_ | I just came back from business trip and then headed to the OPNVF Summit. I will take a look at all patches and make sure people upload new patches. | 17:48 |
| igordcard | I will try to review as much as I can | 17:49 |
| cathy_ | I am thinking about having the comments incorporated by next Tuesday. | 17:49 |
| igordcard | me and Prithiv want to further contribute to the design and development of networking-sfc | 17:49 |
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| cathy_ | igordcard: thanks for joining the effort ! | 17:49 |
| s3wong | cathy_: what kind of timeline are you thinking of? | 17:50 |
| pcarver | cathy_: I'm backlogged with travel too, but am hoping to get some reviews done over the weekend (assuming I recover from being sick, I'm still not feeling great) | 17:50 |
| mohankumar | cathy_: by this month end we'll finish review and rework and start rebase by december | 17:50 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: I agree the patches had been under review for a while now; our original goal was to get them in before the summit, which didn't work out | 17:50 |
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| cathy_ | mohankumar: I am OK with the time line your suggested | 17:51 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: yes, it is always postponed:-) let's be firm this time. | 17:51 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: thanks. Hope you will get better soon | 17:51 |
| mohankumar | cathy_:thanks | 17:51 |
| cathy_ | anyone disagree with end of Nov as the time line to finish and freeze the review as proposed by mohankumar ? | 17:52 |
| s3wong | cathy_: so we are going with end of November then? | 17:52 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: ok with you? | 17:52 |
| s3wong | cathy_: oops, we typed at the same time :-) | 17:52 |
| s3wong | cathy_: +1 | 17:52 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: johnsom igordcard ? | 17:53 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: johnsom igordcard OK with you? | 17:53 |
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| igordcard | +1 | 17:53 |
| pcarver | +1 | 17:53 |
| johnsom | Sure, that lines up with M1 nicely | 17:53 |
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| cathy_ | #agreed we'll finish review and rework by end of Nov and start working on release in December | 17:54 |
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| cathy_ | #topic update on OPNFV SFC presentation | 17:55 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: your turn:-) | 17:55 |
| cathy_ | we have 5 minutes left | 17:56 |
| cathy_ | 4 min now:-) | 17:56 |
| pcarver | So we had some interesting discussions at the OPNFV summit and there were quite a few presentations on SFC | 17:56 |
| pcarver | One in particular involved Tacker invoking Open Daylight to perform the chaining. | 17:56 |
| cathy_ | that one bypasses Neutron | 17:57 |
| s3wong | pcarver: yes, the Redhat folks want to put up a demo for the summit | 17:57 |
| pcarver | Cathy and I were advocating for the use of networking-sfc as an API mediation layer which allows the implementation intelligence to reside in whatever SDN controller anyone happens to prefer | 17:57 |
| s3wong | pcarver, cathy_: speaking as a Tacker team-member, we are fully onboard to use networking-sfc | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | After our presentation, people get to know the SFC work in neutron. The redhat guy is thinking about integrating tacker with networking-sfc | 17:58 |
| s3wong | pcarver, cathy_: it is a work item for Tacker for the M release, around M-2 timeframe | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: great. That is inline with my thought too | 17:58 |
| pcarver | s3wong: great. I think it makes sense for Tacker to call networking-sfc API and then our driver model delegates out to whichever SDN controller mech driver is appropriate | 17:59 |
| s3wong | cathy_: Dan and Tim are fully aware of networking-sfc, and we have agreed to use it --- however, we also need to have ODL driver for networking-sfc for their use case | 17:59 |
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| pcarver | I personally need to get up to speed with Tacker, but I tend to think that Tacker supporting different SFC APIs for all the myriad of SDN controllers is the wrong place | 17:59 |
| s3wong | cathy_, pcarver: as you guys are fully aware, OPNFV seems to favor ODL | 18:00 |
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| s3wong | pcarver: no disagreement from me | 18:00 |
| LouisF | hi | 18:00 |
| pcarver | s3wong: I'm not sure that's 100% true. ODL was the only SDN controller in the first release of OPNFV, but now Contrail and ONOS seem to be showing a strong presence | 18:00 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: not aware of changes in PDT to PST? :-) | 18:01 |
| s3wong | pcarver: I see. The OPNFV SFC team seems to be very committed to ODL though | 18:01 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: we need to let more people know Neutron's role and the SFC work. Otherwise people will think they can just integrate with ODL directly without using Neutron. | 18:01 |
| pcarver | And I don't think that Tacker support for SFC should be dependent on OPNFV inclusion. | 18:01 |
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| cathy_ | OK time is up. let's continue our discussion next week. | 18:02 |
| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 12 18:02:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-11-12-16.59.html | 18:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-11-12-16.59.txt | 18:03 |
| igordcard | bye all | 18:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-11-12-16.59.log.html | 18:03 |
| pcarver | If we have a strong ML-like abstraction of API from mech driver in networking-sfc we should be able to support any SDN-C that wants to write a mech driver | 18:03 |
| cathy_ | by all | 18:03 |
| mohankumar | bye | 18:03 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: 100% agree. | 18:03 |
| s3wong | pcarver: we do to a certain extent --- that we have an ordered list of drivers | 18:03 |
| s3wong | pcarver: to emulate the whole ML2 model is a bit of work (precommit/postcommit, multi-threaded support...etc) | 18:04 |
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| pcarver | s3wong: I just mean in spirit of decoupling API from SDN-C specific driver, not necessarily an exact model of ML2 | 18:05 |
| s3wong | pcarver: sure, that would be driver interface, which doesn't have exposure of specific SDN-C models | 18:06 |
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