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| sigmavirus24 | No glance meeting? | 14:02 |
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| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: ? | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: good morning | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | meeting? | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | ops | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | just read sigmavirus24's message | 14:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | Someone should start it | 14:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | And then hand it over to nikhil when he shows up | 14:02 |
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| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: go for it | 14:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | #startmeeting glance | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | getting the agenda | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 14:03:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sigmavirus24. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | #chair nikhil_k | 14:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: nikhil_k sigmavirus24 | 14:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | That's our agenda ^ | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:03 |
| harshs | o/ | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, esheffield, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting | 14:03 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:04 |
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| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: thanks for starting | 14:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: all yours ;) | 14:04 |
| sabari | o/ | 14:04 |
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| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: take it away :D | 14:05 |
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| nikhil_k | SO, we had the midcycle last week and there were a couple of discussion items that I wanted to bring up here as the write couldn't be completed in time. Other items can come on the ML | 14:05 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic glance_store and glance | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "glance_store and glance (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:05 | |
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| nikhil_k | The relationship, as you all know, is bitter sweet | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | and a proposal was made to put back the store modules in glance tree (Same repo) | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | ++ :P | 14:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | Why? | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | I'm interested in knowing the reasoning behind that | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | no objections were raised at that time and the use cases known intially weren't supporting the need of a separate lib | 14:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | I see absolutely no benefits to doing so and there was no reasoning provided for it on the ML or elsewhere as part of a summary | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | for example, glance_store being consumed by other projects isnt considered favorable | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | my personal reasoning would be that having it separate causes more issues than solves them as there is no use case to have them separate | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: ? | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | In addition to that, I'd also like to mention that we've put lots of efforts in splitting out and merging it back gives us nothing | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: what issues? | 14:08 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil_k: why isn't it considered favorable? | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | the summary can be as long as needed | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | glance_store being separate lib has one extra surface to break our dependencies and gating due to the fact that we gate glance against released libs, not against the head | 14:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: sure, but this discussion wasn't forwarded to the mailing list. | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: that's true for every library we have | 14:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: so we add a reverse gate at glance_store that tests with glance against the latest glance_store | 14:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | there are ways around that | 14:09 |
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| jokke_ | just check on #openstack-glance discussion today between myself and jamielennox | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: true, so why have one extra there that has no benefots being separate | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: there are benefits, it's just that people don't agree with those | 14:10 |
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| nikhil_k | flaper87: for the reason that the projects do not want to know the backend details, deal with authN/Z issues, creation of cyclic dependency between projects consuming glance which in turn consuming store | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: sure, but as said that's a benefit for you to merge it back in. I'd like to hear benefits keeping it out | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: administrators may only have a bug in glance_store and only want to update glance_store to include that fix on a stable branch. They might not want to analyze all of the fixes between what they have installed and what they need for glance before upgrading | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | the discussion was complementary, so the summarization won't be accurate or complete | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: if that's the case, then we should prevent users to get the locations and remove direct_url | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | guess, someone needs to start it | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | because that exposes details about the backend | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | I posit there will be fewer fixes in stable glance_store than stable glance | 14:11 |
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| flaper87 | it's sad that for such an important topic there's not a good summary of what happened, TBH | 14:11 |
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| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: so we should separate every module to their own repo's to give 200 packages for admins to keep track of | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | ? | 14:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: I expect better from you than strawman arguments | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: ++ | 14:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | The store is not a service | 14:12 |
| mclaren | um, is this glance_store? | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: yup | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | well expression of sadness might be good but more important is to raise rational arguments for any outstanding use cases | 14:12 |
| mclaren | That's my fault then. | 14:12 |
| mclaren | I just threw out the idea of re-integrating it to see what folks thought. | 14:13 |
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| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: we could easily split out glance into micro-services though, I'm sure that would go great | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | the glance_Store topic was a bit unexpected and the summarization was even tricker with no one taking notes at that time for the same reason | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: which I'm doing and I'd expect those arguments to be raised for us to understand why this is happening | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: I honestly would be really surprised any admin being interested to have projects split for them to keep track of | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: I'm currently asking what's the reasoning behind that idea | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | I don't want to misinterpret people so trying to get some thoughts before creating another community deadlock | 14:14 |
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| mclaren | well it wasn't a firm proposal first of all | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | but my only reasoning bringing it back is that there is no known use cases for it and it causes overhead to maintain alone | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: I guess following your logical progression, we should be merging requests back into Glance? | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | nothing more religious than that ;) | 14:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | Because it's one less library for operators to be concerned with | 14:14 |
| mclaren | I guess the motivation was that decoupling the store and the rest of the code can create some additional overhead/complexity. | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: if glance is only use case for requests, absolutely | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: there are use cases, they just haven't been implemented yet because, oh well, nova still uses v1 and has some hacks to talk to glance | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | but I think there might be few others as well | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: but it's been around for what, 2, 3, cycles? | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: in that case the issue is that whether nova wants to use glance_store and that was proposed against | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | I'm pretty sure OPs/packages are way passed delivering it | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | with the proposal for a seam for glance as a long term solution the needs for store is less | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: I keep missing the when and why, mostly the why | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | ^ | 14:16 |
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| flaper87 | because we talked about this in Paris and everything was good | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | less == minimal | 14:17 |
| * flaper87 really doens't like the proposal of seam | 14:17 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | (as stated in the review) | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | my use case then was store was needed for some task operations but then we don't want users to use glance_store for that | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | so that use case has gone down the drain | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: agreed | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | We've always been reluctant to let users consume glance_store | 14:18 |
| mclaren | I guess in terms of the store the questions are: 1) is it/will it be consumed by anything other than glance | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | The real use case would be for the under-cloud | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | so, is the only outstanding use case now is deciding whther nova needs to use glance_store or not? | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: there seem to be 2 answeres to that | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | also, in addition to nova's use case, we also have cinder | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | or more generic question like mclaren proposed | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | which interacts with images too | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | if you ask me, I'd say yes, there are still use-cases (the ones I've mentioned already) | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | I haven't heard anyone from cinder side being interested of consuming glance_store | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: when the store was proposed, there was interest | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | we'd have to check again to make sure they didn't change their minds | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | alright, so this is exactly what we needed some action items! | 14:20 |
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| nikhil_k | #action flaper87, mclaren : check with cinder if they want to /should use glance_store | 14:21 |
| mclaren | fwiw I don't feel terribly stongly about this. Basically if there's consensus it's unlikely to be used, and people think its a good idea we can put it back. If not, no problemo! | 14:21 |
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| nikhil_k | #action flwang (images liaison for nova): check with nova if they need to /should use glance_store | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | tbh, I'd rather have folks interested in more important tasks than merging glance_store back. Even if the original use-cases are gone | 14:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | We should also carry this discussion to the ML | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | I don't see, as of now, glance_store as a big burden for us | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: ++ | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | For example flwang isn't in here and probably hasn't seen our mention and will not know they have an action item | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | that'd be easier than pinging each team | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: agreed | 14:22 |
| * flaper87 will do that | 14:22 | |
| flaper87 | ACTION ME! | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: not everyone affected by this are likely to respond on ML and I want a consensun and not a deadlock at the end of the cycle | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: seriously, ML is the medium for cross-project discussions | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | lets ask those folks to respond | 14:23 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: ok, will check with cinder | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | or the cp meeting | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | which is very hard for me to attend because TZs | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | whoever sends to the ML, make sure it reaches cores/drivers/active contributors inbox without tags/filters | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | which I can do | 14:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: to be fair, I think cinder/nova cores monitor the ML much better than we do =/ | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: ++ | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | that's a preference problem that I can't solve, unfortunately | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: whatever works for me, I'm happy to send it unless you prefer sending it. | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | irc is expected but governance doesn't enforce/soft enforce ML | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: but that's also not playing nice with the community, which has chosen the ML as a medium for these dscussions | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: I will send it tonight | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: thanks | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: you can cc folks there | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: might be a good discussion topic for this cycle | 14:25 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil_k: I've started that discussion N times but I digress (and agree) | 14:26 |
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| nikhil_k | :) | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | ok, moving on in the interest of time | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | #topic glance v2 reupload and image status change | 14:26 |
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| nikhil_k | so, glance v1 allows status changes as a part of the metadata update | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | glance v2 can result into unrecoverable 409s (conflicts during uploads) | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | there's a proposal for enabling that so that when a upload fails from say nova, a reupload to glance be possible on the killed state | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | status* | 14:28 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: remind me, which status changes does v1 allow users to do? thanks | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206250/6/specs/liberty/upload-retry.rst | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: PUT on active can put image to queued status. hemanthm can confirm as he raised this yesterday | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | this is big change in terms of the way uploads would work | 14:30 |
| mclaren | so the existing v1 api allows the user to take the image out of active state? I hadn't realised... | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:30 |
| mclaren | bug or feature? :-) | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | perhaps v3 is good place to consider such, specially thinking how much there has been cry to stabilize the v2 api | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | similar to this #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/plugins/xenserver/xenapi/etc/xapi.d/plugins/glance#L184 | 14:31 |
| mclaren | wow, I had no idea! | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: I'd say that's very much bug as it breaks the guarantee to immutability | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | tbh, I had no idea either | 14:33 |
| hemanthm | neither did I. I found out yday working on the upload retry spec | 14:33 |
| mclaren | hmm, have we verified this? | 14:33 |
| hemanthm | I did | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | I haven't read the spec but I will | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | hemanthm: thanks | 14:34 |
| mclaren | hemanthm: ok, so this will move and image from active back to queued? | 14:34 |
| mclaren | and->an | 14:34 |
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| rosmaita | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/plugins/xenserver/xenapi/etc/xapi.d/plugins/glance#L184 | 14:34 |
| hemanthm | mclaren: yes. I created a snapshot and with a PUT operation, I could change the status to queued and back to active again | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | jeez | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | do we have a bug for this already? | 14:36 |
| mclaren | Mindblown. | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | **2 | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: I think we should check if this is not a breaking change. It may be API backward incompatible | 14:36 |
| hemanthm | not, yet. Will create one after reproducing in devstack. I reproduced it in our staging env | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | it may come in the realm of API backward incompatible | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | thanks hemanthm | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | mmhh, true | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | hemanthm: so between state changes, does it allow to upload a new data into the image as well? | 14:38 |
| * flaper87 needs to think about this | 14:38 | |
| nikhil_k | anyways, let's give people time to digest this lightning strike | 14:38 |
| mclaren | lol | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | i don't think it's a breaking change if it was never supposed to happen | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: you can reupload if image is put again in queued state | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: that's my thinking too | 14:38 |
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| hemanthm | jokke_: I have't tried that | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: that's a bug in the API design so, not really a breaking change | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: +1 | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | sorry, in the API implementation | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | which was designed to be immutable | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | also seems like a security problem | 14:39 |
| mclaren | the original image bytes won't be handled properly ... lots of problems | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: agreed | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | we guarantee that the image is immutable ... this is security vulnerability and if it breaks someone abusing it, we seriously can't care | 14:39 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_: +1 | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | omg, did we just talked for 20mins on public, logged ,IRC about a security issue? | 14:39 |
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| jokke_ | yes | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | I think this is the issue with glance v1 exposed publicly | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | guess i shouldn't have used the "S" word | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | in our defense, no one knew anything about this | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | as most glance v1 are internal only and aren't subjected to this risk | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | moving on for now | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: it's a private cloud problem! | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | I mean, are supposed to be internal but they aren;t | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Reuse the deleted image-member | 14:41 |
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| flaper87 | hemanthm: mind filing a bug for this? :D | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | (erm, this -> the above) | 14:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: hm? | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207042/ | 14:41 |
| hemanthm | flaper87: yes. I'm just holding off until I reproduce this on devstack, which I'm doing currently | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | that's the spec | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | hemanthm: awesome | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: i'm thinking only private clouds would expose v1 to end-users | 14:42 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190895/ | 14:42 |
| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: yeah | 14:42 |
| nikhil_k | shalq: was that you? | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | hemanthm: thanks for that, please ping the -glance channel when you're done | 14:42 |
| shalq | yes | 14:42 |
| hemanthm | jokke_: sure | 14:42 |
| nikhil_k | shalq: can you please elaborate on what you wanted to discuss | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | ? | 14:43 |
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| shalq | the spec is ready for review, and we have a customer issue for that case. | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | I reviewed the code as well and it looked mostly good last seen | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | I'll get back to this spec tomorrow morning | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | can we wait till then? | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | I'd love to take a look at it | 14:45 |
| shalq | thanks, flaper87 | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | shalq: thank you :) | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | shalq: all it needs are some functional and unit tests | 14:45 |
| shalq | okay, I will design some unit test for that later. | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | thanks | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Returning when illiegal body ( bunting ) | 14:46 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207150/ | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | bunting: around? | 14:47 |
| mclaren | bunting: type faster! | 14:47 |
| bunting | As start points out on the review, using chunked encoding means that weob seems to remove the body | 14:47 |
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| bunting | unless someone knows how to detect if a body exists in a chuncked encoding, it may mean that if it is not chuncked it will return 400 and if it is it will ignore the body | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | by quick look I'd rather say we do not deserialize it | 14:48 |
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| mclaren | basically we can't figure out a way to always detect if the initial request had a body or not | 14:48 |
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| mclaren | we're either being dumb, or webob just won't let us do it | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | webob.Request seems to be quite happy with all bodies on all requests | 14:49 |
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| mclaren | sigmavirus24: any idea if there's a canonical way to figure out if the request had a body? | 14:49 |
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| mclaren | we've tried a few things but keep hitting gotchas, eg is_body_readable doesn't seem to work for some HTTP verbs | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | hmm, yeahhh | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | there is also problem that some of the ways to identify body are invasive so we really don't want to check them on all requests | 14:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | mclaren: in webob, I'm not sure | 14:52 |
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| nikhil_k | my ideas stock is empty momentarily | 14:53 |
| mclaren | sigmavirus24: nikhil_k ok | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | guess, we can discuss more on the review/-glance | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | thanks mclaren | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | #topic reviews | 14:54 |
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| jokke_ | so some mechanisms to access the body in the request-object actually changes content lenght etc. so if we check only requests we don't want to have body, we don't need to care and that's doable | 14:54 |
| mclaren | sure, just thought someone might have seen/done this before | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | hi, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207847/ | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: I think there's some environ var you can set on wsgi.__ but it's been a while | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | ^^^ This patch fixes below three bugs, | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1478690 - Request ID has a double req- at the start | 14:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1478690 in Glance "Request ID has a double req- at the start" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Abhijeet Malawade (abhijeet-malawade) | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1480191 - User can send 'request-id' from headers to glance api | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1480196 - Request-id is not getting returned if glance throws 500 error | 14:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1480191 in Glance "User can send 'request-id' from headers to glance api" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Abhijeet Malawade (abhijeet-malawade) | 14:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1480196 in Glance "Request-id is not getting returned if glance throws 500 error" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Abhijeet Malawade (abhijeet-malawade) | 14:55 |
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| abhishekk | I have removed the code which is generating the request-id and instead using oslo_middleware's RequestId in the default paste deploy pipeline. | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: the second one is by design, not a bug | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | Please review and give your feedback for the same. | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: ok, but this can be used to flood the log files | 14:56 |
| abhishekk | I can send large value in a header right? | 14:56 |
| nikhil_k | abhishekk: you can but the proxy servers can stripe such things and is sort of recommended deployment strategy | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | but we can restrict user to send x-openstack-request-id in headers by using request-id middleware | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | and no other services are accepting this from header | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: what's the max length of the req-id that can be sent? | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | sabari: around for quick peak in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184351/ ? | 14:58 |
| sabari | nikhil_k: half-awake :) | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | sabari: any pre-prepared notes? | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | can I ask you to review these patches and the spec for it? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197899/ | 14:59 |
| sabari | nikhil_k: just want to make sure the image is completely deleted is not stuck in upload | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: header length is configurable | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | these -> that one and the one it depends on | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | wko: I approved your blocked review :) | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | I'd love to get feedback on the spec | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | #action all: review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195820/ | 14:59 |
| wokuma | thanks nikhil_k | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/common/wsgi.py#L88 | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: so we have no limitation on the req-id leght apart from max header size? | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | sabari: gotcha, it should ideally be put in killed state when it's data is deleted and then deleted | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: yes | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | abhishekk: ah cool | 15:00 |
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| nikhil_k | we are sort out of time, thanks for adjusting in this busy meeting | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | have a good one all! I can be available for any review requests on #openstack-glance | 15:01 |
| abhishekk | thank you all, please review the patches | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 15:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 15:01:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-08-06-14.03.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-08-06-14.03.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-08-06-14.03.log.html | 15:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | We're invading searchlight's time =P | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | :P | 15:01 |
| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 15:01:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | and stepping on toes of people, so good things to make the most of time I sup | 15:02 |
| TravT | o/ | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 15:02 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: your hi-5 is very hip ;) | 15:02 |
| TravT | lol | 15:02 |
| sjmc7 | o/ | 15:03 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 15:03 |
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| TravT | Ok, i know sigmavirus24 is around | 15:03 |
| TravT | here's our agenda: | 15:03 |
| TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
| TravT | add anything you want to it | 15:03 |
| TravT | i don't have any general status updates today. | 15:03 |
| * sigmavirus24 neither | 15:04 | |
| sigmavirus24 | except webob is awful | 15:04 |
| TravT | lol | 15:04 |
| TravT | so, on to topics | 15:04 |
| TravT | #topic Testing | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:04 | |
| TravT | Python 3 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209939/ | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | yay! | 15:05 |
| TravT | svilgelm just put that patch up... | 15:05 |
| TravT | let's take a look at it and if it looks good, this should mean we can enable another set of gate tests for python, I believe | 15:05 |
| lakshmiS | thats great. no need to test on case by case basis | 15:06 |
| TravT | FYI if you use POSTMAN: https://www.getpostman.com/collections/8c0b1e05875c7c58e967 | 15:06 |
| TravT | I just have a few POSTMAN tests that I use for manual testing. If you use postman, thought I'd share them | 15:07 |
| lakshmiS | i think we should link that to documentation under examples/tools | 15:07 |
| TravT | yeah, i was thinking maybe a wiki | 15:07 |
| TravT | not sure that should be in source | 15:07 |
| TravT | since they'll change... | 15:08 |
| TravT | but the manual testing leads to the next topic. | 15:08 |
| TravT | Functional Tests - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/set-up-functional-tests | 15:08 |
| TravT | we are missing functional / integration tests / whatever you want to call them. | 15:08 |
| TravT | and this is starting to be more problematic i think | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | yes... it's really easy to break stuff at the moment | 15:09 |
| lakshmiS | I have started working on glance plugin tests, but getting elasticsearch up is the key | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | lakshmiS - was the unmerged patch to glance any help, or not? | 15:09 |
| TravT | does it make sense to build a mock ES layer? | 15:09 |
| ekarlso | o/ | 15:10 |
| nikhil_k | oh boy | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | TravT - i did consider that | 15:10 |
| lakshmiS | sjmc7: yes i did take whatever i can | 15:10 |
| nikhil_k | that's a black hole | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | but yeah, it's potentially a lot of work. unfortunately there's no 'fake es driver' i could find | 15:10 |
| lakshmiS | nikhil_k is assigned to build mock ES layer | 15:10 |
| nikhil_k | :P | 15:10 |
| TravT | lakshmiS: do you want to talk a bit more on what you are working on? | 15:11 |
| nikhil_k | so, I thought we ere going with #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157209/ to begin with? | 15:12 |
| lakshmiS | for timebeing i am spinning up ES and testing the glance plugin code for indexing image data | 15:12 |
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| TravT | how are you spinning up ES? | 15:13 |
| TravT | i mean are you doing that manually? | 15:13 |
| lakshmiS | manually :) | 15:13 |
| TravT | okay, so, what can we do to help out here? | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | i did do some work on that | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | in that patch | 15:15 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: wondering if the issue is that we need stronger gating? | 15:15 |
| lakshmiS | sjmc7: i haven't created a new patch but I have code which I can also add to that patch | 15:15 |
| nikhil_k | is the breaking stuff due to missing in-tree functional tests or is for cross project updates testing? | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | nikhil_k - the problem is that the unit tests don't cover everything | 15:16 |
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| sjmc7 | no, it's in-tree | 15:16 |
| nikhil_k | gotcha | 15:16 |
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| nikhil_k | yeah, I was under the impression that the patch would land and give us more direction | 15:17 |
| * david-lyle slips in late | 15:17 | |
| TravT | so, this one in glance needs to be abandoned obviously | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | that patch on its own can't land | 15:17 |
| lakshmiS | I will create a new patch and merge with my code as startup then | 15:18 |
| TravT | sjmc7, i know this is something you worked on early. what do we need to with infra to make this work? | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | i've never worked with infra.. | 15:19 |
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| TravT | ok, so lakshmiS will port this over to searchlight | 15:19 |
| TravT | and then maybe we should have follow up discussion / even a hangout if necessary | 15:20 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: why infra? | 15:20 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, i don't know... steve has that in his notes on the BP | 15:20 |
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| nikhil_k | ah | 15:20 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: may be that's after we have done gating work, iiuc? | 15:20 |
| sjmc7 | i think my note was about getting it gating - i'm not sure elasticsearch is typiucally available | 15:21 |
| TravT | well, it isn't typically available. | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | the WIP glance patch assumed e-s was available on the system | 15:21 |
| TravT | but our devstack installer installs it | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | ok, so that's maybe what the note about infra was about | 15:21 |
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| TravT | when we install searchlight via our plugin | 15:21 |
| TravT | thanks to ekarlso | 15:21 |
| TravT | infra has a ES installation library that both we and ceilometer depend on | 15:22 |
| TravT | is that what you mean? | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, that sounds like it would be useful, so maybe it's a solved problem. like i say, i know very little about infra | 15:23 |
| TravT | ok. well, i can say that with devstack, you get a working env with ES | 15:23 |
| lakshmiS | ceilometer might already have gating jobs with dependency on ES. I could talk with them on how they do it | 15:24 |
| TravT | lakshmiS, that'd be great. | 15:24 |
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| TravT | we have some good patches in the pipeline and I would feel a lot better with these integration level tests in the gate. | 15:25 |
| TravT | okay, so it seems like we have next steps there. | 15:25 |
| TravT | lakshmiS, if you want to have a time setup to talk sooner, then please do. I know with the timezone diff it can be hard. | 15:26 |
| lakshmiS | sure | 15:26 |
| TravT | #topic Planning a liberty 3 prioritization hangout (TravT) | 15:26 |
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| TravT | So, i'd really like to have a release at end of liberty 3. | 15:27 |
| TravT | and we have a number of blueprints in the pipeline. | 15:27 |
| TravT | some of them have patches, some don't. | 15:27 |
| TravT | but i think we should start focusing most efforts on a few of them... | 15:27 |
| david-lyle | lakshmiS: there is a gate-tempest-dvsm-ceilometer-es job in project-config/zuul/layout.yaml that looks promising | 15:28 |
| lakshmiS | thx david-lyle | 15:28 |
| TravT | functionally, I think nova plugin, designate plugin should be the functional target. | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | from my perspective, the most important BPs i've done work on are swapping out 'index' and 'type' for an unchanging 'resource name'; nova; plugin config | 15:29 |
| TravT | IMO we should focus on helping get through what has been started. | 15:30 |
| TravT | And there are a number of items like you just mentioned sjmc7 that are about solidifying the api and code | 15:31 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah. i'm working on your comments on the nova one; i'd like reviews on the 'resource name' one | 15:31 |
| TravT | i did provide a review on the resource one | 15:31 |
| TravT | there is some room for discussion in it. | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | ok | 15:31 |
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| TravT | we have topics for those in just a sec. | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | i'll try to spend some time today, been a busy week | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | k | 15:31 |
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| TravT | so, maybe next week in this meeting or as a separate meeting after next week, we should have a walkthrough of the BPs and check their target series. | 15:33 |
| TravT | that's all. | 15:33 |
| TravT | #topic bug review | 15:33 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: do you think we shoud have a action item for such things? or wait for the video conferencing stuff? | 15:33 |
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| TravT | nikhil_k: it might be a lot easier to do a video conference to walk through the blueprints and talk about them | 15:34 |
| TravT | probably take less time and provide richer forum for discussion. | 15:34 |
| TravT | I could send out a doodle poll for times. | 15:34 |
| TravT | what do you think? | 15:34 |
| rosmaita | TravT: +1 | 15:34 |
| TravT | ok | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | yup | 15:35 |
| * TravT forgets the command for action items. | 15:35 | |
| lakshmiS | are you planning for next week? | 15:35 |
| TravT | it can be next week or the week after. | 15:35 |
| TravT | are you around next week? | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: works for me | 15:36 |
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| lakshmiS | yes. earlier the better to finalize on what BP's will go in | 15:36 |
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| TravT | #action TravT will setup a BP prioritization review meeting for Liberty 3 | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: might worth doing some prep work on our sides for the meeting next week | 15:36 |
| TravT | guess that wasn't it | 15:37 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, ok | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: that's it! | 15:37 |
| TravT | ok, i'll work on that. | 15:37 |
| TravT | on to bug reviews. | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | thanks | 15:38 |
| TravT | there are a few that already have some review. | 15:38 |
| TravT | one of them is critical | 15:38 |
| TravT | Already one +2 | 15:38 |
| TravT | Critical - Ceilometer / Notifications: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202392 | 15:38 |
| TravT | High - Glance indexing https://review.openstack.org/207719 | 15:38 |
| TravT | Medium - Doc update https://review.openstack.org/208750 | 15:38 |
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| TravT | Please try to look at them. | 15:39 |
| TravT | #topic Blueprint review | 15:39 |
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| TravT | sjmc7, as we just discussed, i did put some comments on the nova patch. | 15:40 |
| TravT | anything about that which we should discuss in larger forum? | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | yep, working on them | 15:40 |
| TravT | ok, cool. | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | just the issue of denormalizing | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | specifically what you called out with glance image names, flavor names | 15:41 |
| TravT | yeah, what occurred to me looking through that patch was that we might have to think about the concept of plugins affecting other plugins. | 15:41 |
| TravT | so, to explain briefly to everybody here. | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | right - the nova plugin can't listen to glance notifications, for instance | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | well.. i take that back, we can assign multiple handlers | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | it does create that mass-update scenario though | 15:42 |
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| TravT | in the nova data, sjmc7 was putting things like image name in there when the instance is indexed. | 15:42 |
| TravT | however image name can change independent of the instance | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | but that's from the instance response for the image-meta info | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | right? | 15:43 |
| TravT | but the nova plugin which indexes instances doesn't get notifications related to that | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | right | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | it can do, i can add a handler | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | thta was my concern with nova notifications in our call last week | 15:44 |
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| nikhil_k | I wonder if for nova we should make a call to the api on notification trigger? | 15:44 |
| nikhil_k | if we do not want to go down the route of direct access to DB | 15:44 |
| TravT | sjmc7, so, you are thinking that the nova plugin would include an image notification handler as well? | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | no, but it needs to hook into glance notifications | 15:45 |
| TravT | ok. | 15:45 |
| TravT | i was trying to think how that would affect message consumption and acknowledgment | 15:45 |
| lakshmiS | may there should be link from image updates independend of instance updates and link them in ES index | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | interesting | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: I think one more issue is | 15:46 |
| nikhil_k | nova has static image-meta where as the one on the image itself might change | 15:46 |
| nikhil_k | nova basically copies over that info | 15:46 |
| TravT | and does nova ever update that data? | 15:47 |
| rosmaita | no | 15:47 |
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| nikhil_k | I think nova admin api might | 15:47 |
| TravT | is it even updated when an instance is first created? | 15:47 |
| nikhil_k | need to double check | 15:47 |
| rosmaita | how are we getting the image_ properties from nova? | 15:47 |
| nikhil_k | API call | 15:48 |
| rosmaita | i didn't think those were exposed in the API? | 15:48 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: it's copied from glance when instance is (first) booted | 15:48 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: some are, right? you are correct mostly all are hidden | 15:48 |
| rosmaita | the novaclient displays image name, but it does a request to get the image detail and constructs it client'side | 15:49 |
| TravT | so novaclient call's glance anyway? | 15:49 |
| rosmaita | well, by proxying through the compute api | 15:49 |
| TravT | or is it calling the nova server for image info and nova server is just proxying? | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | second | 15:49 |
| TravT | (v1 / v2 fun) | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | nah | 15:50 |
| nikhil_k | just bad separation | 15:50 |
| nikhil_k | it might be worth investigating proposing a standard immutable prop in glance to avoid such things | 15:51 |
| rosmaita | ideally the entries for servers in the index would contain only permanent info about images, probably just uuid | 15:51 |
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| rosmaita | but, what happens if hte image is deleted? | 15:51 |
| rosmaita | much sadness | 15:51 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 15:51 |
| sjmc7 | one option is we don't try to answer this | 15:51 |
| nikhil_k | ++ | 15:51 |
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| sjmc7 | and we don't have image name, flavor name indexed with servers | 15:51 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: I think it's worth having deleted images in ES index | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | but that makes the searching much less impressive | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | images that are deleted get deleted | 15:52 |
| * TravT misses relational joins sometimes. | 15:52 | |
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| lakshmiS | well there are parent child relationships in ES we can explore | 15:52 |
| nikhil_k | well I think we are going too far away. whatever we do it might be worth keep some options open for changing design later | 15:53 |
| rosmaita | lakshmiS: that sounds cool | 15:53 |
| lakshmiS | https://www.elastic.co/blog/managing-relations-inside-elasticsearch | 15:53 |
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| nikhil_k | lakshmiS: are there horizontal inheritance capabilities, I might be thinking something crazy to do here but it might work | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | ? | 15:54 |
| sjmc7 | for the sake of getting something working then, that is an option - don't try to denormalize now | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 15:54 |
| TravT | i'm okay with that as starting point, i think. | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: works for me for now | 15:54 |
| TravT | but we can talk through queries further | 15:54 |
| sjmc7 | ok. it does mean that cross-resource searching will be largely not-useful, i think | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | for now | 15:55 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 15:55 |
| TravT | the parent child isn't for nesting virtual docs, i think. | 15:55 |
| TravT | i mean if image is index as a doc in index a type b | 15:55 |
| TravT | the instance can't contain it as a reference, i thought. | 15:56 |
| sjmc7 | i would urge us to stay away from it | 15:56 |
| TravT | ok... so, we won't have it in first pass. | 15:56 |
| TravT | running out of time. | 15:57 |
| TravT | the doc type review takes a little thought. | 15:57 |
| TravT | so also please look at that one. | 15:57 |
| TravT | i already added some comments | 15:57 |
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| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207672/ | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | thanks, will take a look today | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | other comments welcome | 15:58 |
| TravT | and finally, designate plugin. | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, let's get that in as well | 15:58 |
| rosmaita | i thought they were all hidden since they are in instance_system_metadata table | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | i haven't tested ekarlso's latest patch | 15:58 |
| TravT | i did seem to finally get a working devstack with designate so that i could have some intelligence when reviewing the patch. | 15:58 |
| TravT | but yesterday got clobbered with meetings. | 15:59 |
| lakshmiS | lakshmiS is stilly unlucky with devstack install for designate | 15:59 |
| TravT | #topic 12 seconds of open discussion | 15:59 |
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| sjmc7 | :) think we covered everything i wanted to | 15:59 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 15:59 |
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| TravT | okay, that's it. thanks everybody | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | THanks! | 16:00 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 16:00:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-08-06-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-08-06-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-08-06-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 16:00:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:01 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:01 |
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| serverascode | o/ | 16:02 |
| odyssey4me | morning/afternoon/evening everyone | 16:02 |
| Apsu | Morning | 16:02 |
| b3rnard0 | hello | 16:02 |
| palendae | Morning | 16:02 |
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| prometheanfire | moin | 16:03 |
| stevelle | hellos | 16:03 |
| evrardjp | hello | 16:03 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 I saw the mail thread, but didn't see anyone weight in on it except me :/ | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | thanks for doing that though | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | can others please weigh in? | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | ACTION: sigmavirus24 and cloudnull to put together a POC for pip and epoch's | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 how's that going? | 16:07 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, it seems that'll have to carry | 16:09 |
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| odyssey4me | #action sigmavirus24 and cloudnull to put together a POC for pip and epoch's | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | sorry | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | ACTION: odyssey4me to move all unassigned juno bugs to the 10.1.12 milestone | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | Haven't had time to act on it | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | that was done | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 no worries, it's not urgent at this stage | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | ACTION: odyssey4me to move all unassigned and not yet 'in-progress' kilo bugs to the 11.1.1 milestone | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | that was also done | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Blueprints | 16:10 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/ceph-block-devices | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | so a patch for this has merged to master, and we have yet to release 11.1.0, so some discussion has been had around backporting this | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | any thoughts? | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | svg evrardjp git-harry ? | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | mattt ^ | 16:12 |
| evrardjp | mm | 16:12 |
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| evrardjp | I'll let the others talk: I'm only starting to test it | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | the question is whether it's gone through enough testing - I know that mattt and git-harry had reservations and think it should stay on the 11.2.0 milestone | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | unfortunately they're not here to discuss it | 16:13 |
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| evrardjp | when has the decision to be taken? | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | well, it seems that we'll have to carry that decision and it all depends on when 11.1.0 gets released, which is an agenda point later | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | but based on what I'm seeing in the channel discussions I think it may be best to leave on the 11.2.0 milestone | 16:14 |
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| odyssey4me | any thoughts from anyone? | 16:14 |
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| evrardjp | at least waiting for svg and git-harry input would be wise | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | so if you can't have it now, let's postpone the merge to kilo? | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, neither are in the channel - so we'll carry the decision | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | #topic reviews | 16:16 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:%22Jesse+Pretorius%22+project:stackforge/os-ansible-deployment,n,z | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | I have found a cause for the master branch being stuck. | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | https://review.openstack.org/209998 should fix it | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482260 explains the bug in detail | 16:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1482260 in openstack-ansible trunk "python-zaqarclient has incompatible requirements with oslo.middleware" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jesse Pretorius (jesse-pretorius) | 16:17 |
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| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 palendae please review https://review.openstack.org/209998 asap - just vote, no workflow for now until the gate check passes | 16:18 |
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| odyssey4me | as for the rest of the starred reviews, we're not meeting the 11.1.0 deadline, so either we shift the deadline again or we shift the blueprints not yet merged to the 11.2.0 milestone | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | thoughts? | 16:19 |
| evrardjp | it doesn't serve to always postpone right? | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp yeah, we need to release so that we can continue to push forward with patch releases | 16:20 |
| stevelle | I'm leaning towards shifing to 11.2. | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | we have a build-up of bugs and fixes for them which need to get in | 16:20 |
| stevelle | agreed | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | unfortunately it seems that we don't have a quorum of cores here, so the decision will have to wait :/ | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | palendae sigmavirus24 any thoughts before we move on? | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | sorry I'm very distracted | 16:22 |
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| palendae | I'd be fine with moving some blueprints to 11.2 | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | I want at least the SP patch into 11.10 | 16:22 |
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| sigmavirus24 | *11.1.0 | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | Other things make sense for 11.2 | 16:22 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Is master unblocked yet for the SP patch? | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 it may be after the above-mentioned patch | 16:23 |
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| odyssey4me | palendae sigmavirus24 note that https://review.openstack.org/201136 has been thoroughly tested by miguelgrinberg and stevelle so we're needing a final vote there to get https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/multi-region-swift through | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah I'd like to test that but I think that might need to be targetted to 11.2 | 16:24 |
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| odyssey4me | most importantly the end-user experience is not changed for any currently supported swift deployment | 16:25 |
| evrardjp | so ceilometer is the only inclusion in 11.1? | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | so my vote is to merge it to get it done and open the gate for more thorough testing and minor patches | 16:26 |
| evrardjp | seems a big inclusion already | 16:26 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: Sure, not changing defaults is good, but I'd like to at least read over it. Supposed lack of enablement isn't necessarily grounds for merge | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp if we stay in this state, yes - that and all the wishlist items, some of which are actually quite significant | 16:27 |
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| odyssey4me | palendae sure, my concern though is that we've not released anything in kilo for over a month now and we usually release a hotfix every two weeks, so we need to get back to our release cadence | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | shall we defer until tomorrow to give time to release master and review those patches? | 16:29 |
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| stevelle | The value of deferring would be to reduce the demands on eyeballs? | 16:30 |
| stevelle | As they are split between priorities with master being blocked? | 16:30 |
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| palendae | odyssey4me: Sure, I get that; not sure I want to release just to release...also unfortunately my time is fairly booked this week =\ | 16:30 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, how about we switch the discussion a bit to help | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | when should we aim to release 11.2.0 ? | 16:31 |
| stevelle | I vote for after 11.1.0 | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | lol | 16:31 |
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| evrardjp | if we continue to postpone 11.1.0 that's not gonna be easy >< | 16:33 |
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| sigmavirus24 | == stevelle | 16:33 |
| evrardjp | (to release after 11.1.0 for those who didn't get the joke) | 16:34 |
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| sigmavirus24 | why not tag 11.1.0 and 11.2.0 simultaneously? | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | so the project's cadence has always been to release fast and release often | 16:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | just 11.2.0 30 seconds later? | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | at least for hotfix releases | 16:34 |
| stevelle | joking aside, this project has maintained a cadence of putting fixes out to the community quickly, and maintained the principle that version numbers are cheap. we already pushed a deadline and it didn't give us any reward so I would like to revert to prior behavior. | 16:34 |
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| palendae | So we're +2ing just to get a release | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | 11.1 includes ceilometer, that deserves a release alone (just my opinion) | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | liberty will hit feature freeze in Sep | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | so I vote for releasing 11.1.0 this week (tomorrow) and anything that's not in yet can release with 11.2.0 which we should plan to release at the end of Aug IMO | 16:36 |
| palendae | I'm fine with that | 16:36 |
| evrardjp | +1 | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | end Aug - mid Sep - somewhere around there, giving us perhaps 3 hotfix releases before then | 16:36 |
| evrardjp | ppl would still have the time to give their opinion | 16:36 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, we'll aim to release 11.1.0 tomorrow and jump back into the hotfix cadence | 16:37 |
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| odyssey4me | whatever is already in, will be in and whatever doesn't make it can go forward into a hotfix or 11.2.0 | 16:38 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Open Discussion | 16:38 |
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| sigmavirus24 | so long as SP doesn't land in a hot fix | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | is there anything anyone wants to raise? | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 agreed | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to release 11.1.0 on 7 Aug 2015, any blueprints not yet merged to be postponed to 11.2.0 | 16:39 |
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| palendae | Really the issue we're having right now is the majority of cores are on vacation/holiday, and the rest are being pulled into internal work | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to set 11.2.0 release date to the (tentative) date of 4 Sep | 16:40 |
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| evrardjp | palendae: when is the return from holidays? | 16:40 |
| palendae | evrardjp: They're all different | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp we have three returning next week I think | 16:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | nothing is happening with the wedged gate :/ | 16:42 |
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| odyssey4me | Sam-I-Am we're waiting for gate results, but https://review.openstack.org/209998 should unwedge it | 16:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | odyssey4me: cool | 16:42 |
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| odyssey4me | I'm still having issues with bumping SHA's in master though - something seems to have changed upstream that's breaking our AIO network config | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | instances are not getting DHCP | 16:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | wouldnt surprise me if neutron is beoken | 16:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | should see if the neutron gates are passing | 16:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | neutron broke kilo for a while too | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | Sam-I-Am Apsu I could do with some help with that, but that may have to wait until next week as I know you guys are tied up with other work right now | 16:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | the old l2pop problem that blocked our release | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | Sam-I-Am we can chat after the meeting, perhaps you can help me figure it out | 16:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | i have another meeting after this meeting, then more meetings | 16:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | but you dont sleep, so we're good | 16:45 |
| Apsu | Sam-I-Am sounds like your guy | 16:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | i just need to kick a box | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | alright, if that's all then we can move to the channel for other discussions :) | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | thank you all for attending, even with your busy schedules | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 16:46:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-08-06-16.00.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-08-06-16.00.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-08-06-16.00.log.html | 16:46 |
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| LouisF | hi | 17:00 |
| s3wong | hello | 17:00 |
| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 17:01:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:01 |
| cathy_ | hello everyone | 17:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 17:01 |
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| vikram_ | Hi | 17:01 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:01 |
| abhisriatt | hi, this is abhinav. | 17:01 |
| abhisriatt | from AT&T Research. | 17:01 |
| s3wong | abhisriatt: welcome to the meeting | 17:02 |
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| cathy_ | abhisriatt: hi, welcome to the meeitng | 17:02 |
| pcarver | Thanks for joining us Abhinav | 17:02 |
| LouisF | i have posted update to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204695 API doc | 17:02 |
| abhisriatt | Thanks Guys. | 17:02 |
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| pcarver | cathy_: Abhinav is one of the people I mentioned who has worked on the flow steering work internally at AT&T | 17:02 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: great | 17:03 |
| xiaodongwang | hi | 17:03 |
| Brian___ | hi all | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | so maybe today we can have abhisriatt give a instrocution on the flow steering work at AT&T? | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | Brian___: xiaodongwang Hi | 17:03 |
| LouisF | and also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207251 Port Chain API and DB | 17:04 |
| LouisF | hi xiaodongwang | 17:04 |
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| MaxKlyus | hi from NetCracker research group | 17:04 |
| LouisF | hi MaxKlyus | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | Louis has posted an update to the API doc. I saw some new comments. Could everyone please review the latest one and give all your comments so that we can get them addressed and merged? | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | MaxKlyus: Hi, welcome! | 17:05 |
| s3wong | MaxKlyus: welcome to the meeting! | 17:05 |
| LouisF | cathy_: yes vikram had some more comments I will post a new patch later today to address them | 17:06 |
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| vikram_ | LouisF: I have few more :-) | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: I saw that Jenkins -1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207251. | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: Thanks! | 17:06 |
| LouisF | cathy_: yes still some pep8 issues | 17:06 |
| LouisF | cathy_: will ork through them today | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: could you please post them today so that Louis can address them all in one shot ? | 17:07 |
| LouisF | work | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: Thanks! | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | While Louis fixes the pep8 issue, everyone can start review the "Port Chain API and DB" codes please. | 17:09 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: sure | 17:09 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: thanks! BTW, I remember you previously signed up on the Horizon part code support for this project. How is that working going? | 17:10 |
| s3wong | cathy_: yes | 17:10 |
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| cathy_ | s3wong: thanks. | 17:10 |
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| vikram_ | cathy_: I think we got to finalize the API's + Server code is needed for testing.. | 17:11 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: Framework is done | 17:12 |
| cathy_ | Also could everyone get on the OVS Driver and Agent spec and do a detail review of it? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208663/ | 17:12 |
| s3wong | cathy_: sure | 17:13 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_:sure | 17:13 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: Agree with you. But I will not expect much change on the API side. So to speed up the coding work, we cna do this in parallel. I expect the API will be merged soon. What do you think? | 17:13 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: abhisriatt thanks. | 17:14 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: +1, we are doing it .. My only concern is getting the API's finalisied soon.. It's impacting both horizon and CLI | 17:14 |
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| cathy_ | vikram_: Sure. Agree with you. | 17:15 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: Thanks for starting the coding work. | 17:15 |
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| cathy_ | vikram_: so you will post all your comments today and Louis will address all comments and post a new version for final review. Let's get the API finalized as soon as possible so that it will not impact other pieces of work | 17:16 |
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| vikram_ | cathy_: Sure. Will do! | 17:16 |
| LouisF | cathy_: will do | 17:16 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: LouisF Thanks, folks! | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | Any other topic you have in mind? | 17:17 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_:if you want, I can give you brief overview of our work done in AT&T on flow steering. | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | abhisriatt: sure, please go ahead | 17:18 |
| abhisriatt | The flow steering project that we started in Research was to give control to deploy Tenant-defined middle-boxes to give mor control to cloud tenants. | 17:19 |
| abhisriatt | sorry..to give contro to tenants to deploy middlebox of their choice. | 17:19 |
| LouisF | abhisriatt: middleboxes being service functions? | 17:21 |
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| abhisriatt | The idea is that tenants will request some services, especially security services firewall, IDS, IPS, etc., that will run inside MBs. | 17:21 |
| abhisriatt | LouisF: Yes, like firewall, IDS, IPS, etc. | 17:21 |
| LouisF | abhisriatt: ok | 17:22 |
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| abhisriatt | The cloud provider’s job is to accept the request from tenants and setup the networking pipes in a way that packets should flow through these MBs. | 17:23 |
| LouisF | abhisriatt: so it is possible to steer traffic to these service? | 17:23 |
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| abhisriatt | LouisF: Yes. | 17:23 |
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| cathy_ | Mohankumar__: it is oK | 17:24 |
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| cathy_ | abhisriatt: This requirement is what service chain project can provide | 17:24 |
| pcarver | If I can give a little more detail, the AT&T work originally started out doing QoS (DSCP bit manipulation) in OvS using an external service that integrated with OpenStack APIs. | 17:25 |
| pcarver | Abhinav's work was to then extend that framework to do flow steering which is basically the same intent as service chaining | 17:25 |
| abhisriatt | Our APIs or CLIs are simple and in the form of: Source (VM or external traffic), destination VM (or any local VM), MB1, MB2,… MBn | 17:25 |
| cathy_ | abhisriatt: Your APIs are very similar to the API of the service chain project. | 17:26 |
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| abhisriatt | i.e. any traffic from source to destination should flow through these set of MBs. | 17:26 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_: Yes. that’s why pcarver asked me to join this work.. | 17:27 |
| LouisF | abhisriatt: looks like close alignment with the port-chain apis | 17:27 |
| pcarver | We've worked through the prototype stage and have some experience with the necessary OvS flowmods required | 17:27 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: great. | 17:27 |
| LouisF | pcarver: excellent please jump in on suggestions on the ovs driver and agent | 17:28 |
| pcarver | The implementation wasn't conceived as a part of OpenStack, but rather sitting outside and interacting with Nova, Neutron, and Keystone, as well as interacting directly with OvS | 17:28 |
| abhisriatt | LouisF: Yes, and we are actually designing new set of APIs that actually look very similar to what you guys have on the wiki. | 17:28 |
| pcarver | The networking-sfc work differs mainly in being a part of OpenStack rather than sitting slightly outside of it | 17:28 |
| pcarver | But with both the QoS and flow steering we've had some experience with how to manipulate OvS flow mods without disrupting Neutron's use of OvS | 17:29 |
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| abhisriatt | As Paul mentioned, we extensively used OVS flow mods to route packets from one MB to other without disrupting any existing flows or traffic. | 17:30 |
| LouisF | abhisriatt: that is exactly what we need to do for port-chains | 17:30 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: "OVS flowmods" refer to the interface between OVS Agent and OVS on the same computing node or OVS driver on Neutron Server and OVS Agent on the Computing node? | 17:30 |
| pcarver | My thinking is that we should model the networking-sfc interactions with OvS after the networking-qos interactions, but that we can leverage some of Abhinav's and other AT&T folks experience | 17:31 |
| LouisF | abhisriatt: do you support ant form of load distribution across a set of MBs in a port-group | 17:31 |
| pcarver | cathy_: yes, flowmod meaning the "magic incantations" that we need to put into OvS to make things happen | 17:31 |
| LouisF | any ^ | 17:31 |
| cathy_ | abhisriatt: Yes, our design on the data path flow steering is similar to yours: route packets from one MB to other without disrupting any existing flows or traffic. | 17:31 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_: flowmods are nothing but open flow rules that are inserted in OVS. | 17:32 |
| abhisriatt | LouisF: We are currently working on load balancing across MBs, and we call it scalable flow steering. | 17:32 |
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| pcarver | In our implementation the thing that puts the flowmods into OvS is an independent server process outside of Neutron and doesn't use any Neutron agents | 17:33 |
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| abhisriatt | Here again, we are using Open flow features such as multipath, learning rules to load balance across many MBs. | 17:34 |
| pcarver | But I think it should be adaptable, at least the underlying building blocks | 17:34 |
| abhisriatt | pcarver:Yes. | 17:34 |
| LouisF | abhisriatt: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208663 descibes OF group-mod for doing load balancing across a group | 17:34 |
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| LouisF | abhisriatt: suggestions welcome | 17:35 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: agree with you, I think this project can leverage your OVS flow table part can | 17:35 |
| abhisriatt | LouisF: sure, I will take a look at. | 17:35 |
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| cathy_ | Instead of using an external server process to program the OVS, in our project the path will be OVS Driver on Neutron server talking with OVS Agent and the OVS Agent programming the OVS via openflow commands | 17:37 |
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| abhisriatt | cathy_: Ideally, that should be the design. | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | abhisriatt: Louis has posted the link which described the design. Could you get on that and give your input and comments? | 17:38 |
| abhisriatt | However, we started this project with QoS and the OVS agent cannot create queues in OVS. That’s why we have to use an external process to achieve that. | 17:38 |
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| cathy_ | abhisriatt: could you clarify what you mean by "can not create queues in OVS"? What are the queues used for? | 17:39 |
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| abhisriatt | cathy_: to rate limit the flows—a functionality needed by the bandwidth reservation project. | 17:40 |
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| pcarver | cathy_: That's some of the history I referenced briefly. The AT&T flow steering work was built on top of a QoS project. That piece of it isn't especially relevant to networking-sfc project, but was just the framework that we started with | 17:40 |
| cathy_ | abhisriatt: so that is related to your QoS funcitonality, right? | 17:40 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_:yes. not related to networking-sfc. | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: Yes, that is what i think. This part is not relevant to the service chaining feature itself | 17:41 |
| pcarver | Since the OpenStack networking-qos work is proceeding independently we don't really need to focus on that part | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: cool. we are in sync | 17:41 |
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| pcarver | Essentially we had an existing server framework that handled Neutron, Nova, and Keystone interaction and Abhinav worked on adding flow steering via OvS flowmods into that existing QoS framework | 17:42 |
| cathy_ | abhisriatt: pcarver when do you think you can carve out the OVS part of codes for use in networking-sfc project? | 17:42 |
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| abhisriatt | BTW, we made our controller open source. | 17:43 |
| abhisriatt | https://github.com/att/tegu | 17:43 |
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| pcarver | cathy_: I think the first step is to get Abhinav aligned on which existing reviews are touching the OvS agent and which pieces are currently just stubbed out or don't exist at all | 17:43 |
| cathy_ | abhisriatt: OK, thanks. | 17:43 |
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| s3wong | abhisriatt: Go code! | 17:43 |
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| cathy_ | s3wong: :-) | 17:44 |
| abhisriatt | :) | 17:44 |
| abhisriatt | Actually, it is written in “GO”, too. | 17:44 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: Ok, let's do that first. Thanks for bringing in abhisriatt ! | 17:44 |
| pcarver | He needs to get oriented on the structure of the networking-sfc code base and then he can start bringing in his experience from Tegu (that's the name of our server) | 17:45 |
| s3wong | abhisriatt: that's what I meant: code in Go :-) | 17:45 |
| abhisriatt | okay :) | 17:45 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: sure. | 17:46 |
| pcarver | I haven't been through all the reviews yet. Has anyone started touching OvS or is it all still stubs at this time? | 17:46 |
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| s3wong | pcarver: I started to look at it --- but in gerrit review (not merged yet), the dummy driver (stub) is all there is | 17:47 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: still stubs. But we are working on the codes now | 17:47 |
| LouisF | pcarver: driver manager and dummy driver only | 17:48 |
| pcarver | cathy_: Ok, we need to get Abhinav sync'd up so that he doesn't do duplicate work | 17:48 |
| cathy_ | Let's get the design reviewed and agreed first. Then we can start posting codes and review the codes. | 17:48 |
| vikram_ | +1 | 17:48 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: yes, I am thinking we cna divide the coding work among us. | 17:48 |
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| cathy_ | s3wong: has also signed on the the OVS part of code development. Actually the design posted is co-authored with s3wong | 17:49 |
| s3wong | yes | 17:49 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: Thanks for your insight and comtributiont! | 17:50 |
| cathy_ | contribution! | 17:50 |
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| s3wong | pcarver, abhisriatt: please review the OVS driver spec and we will iterate the design from there | 17:51 |
| pcarver | s3wong: will do | 17:52 |
| abhisriatt | s3wong: will do | 17:52 |
| cathy_ | As for the coding part, I am thinking someone should get a basic OVS framework code and then we can have a meeting to review the framework and then divide the detail code development work among us? | 17:52 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: framework? as in the OVS driver on Neutron server? | 17:53 |
| cathy_ | Ok with this or any other suggestion how we avoid duplicate work as vikram_ pointed out? | 17:53 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: by framework I mean OVS driver on Neutron server, OVS agent on compute node, and OVS itself on Compute node | 17:54 |
| s3wong | cathy_: that's everything :-) | 17:54 |
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| cathy_ | I think we might need a consistent framework without much coding detail so that we each of us start coding, we do not have big mismatch | 17:55 |
| MaxKlyus | sorry I have an open question to everybody, what do you think about OVS mpls based traffic chaining? | 17:55 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: no code detail, just framework:-) | 17:55 |
| LouisF | MaxKlyus: various drivers can be used | 17:56 |
| pcarver | MaxKlyus: raw MPLS or MPLS over GRE or UDP? | 17:56 |
| MaxKlyus | raw MPLS multiple stack | 17:56 |
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| pcarver | We're definitely thinking about MPLS, but pretty much orthogonal to service chaining | 17:57 |
| cathy_ | MaxKlyus: we are running out of time. Maybe we cna discuss this in the next meeting. I think out framework should be able to support multiple transport and encap in the data path | 17:57 |
| s3wong | or move discussion to openstack-neutron | 17:57 |
| MaxKlyus | it will be great | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | MaxKlyus: good question. We can discuss it in the next meeting or on openstack-neutron. Actually this question was touched before in the original API review. | 17:58 |
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| abhisriatt | One last question: how are you guys thinking of steering flows from one MB to another. | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | OK, folks. Thanks for joining the meeting and all the discussions. I think we are making good progress! Let's continue the discussion in next meeting. | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | bye now | 18:00 |
| LouisF | by | 18:00 |
| s3wong | abhisriatt: a chain of two Neutron ports? | 18:00 |
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| abhisriatt | yes | 18:00 |
| s3wong | OK. Thanks guys! | 18:00 |
| abhisriatt | bye | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | abhisriatt: wera re running out of time, let address that in next meeting. | 18:00 |
| abhisriatt | cathy_:okay | 18:00 |
| Mohankumar__ | bye | 18:00 |
| MaxKlyus | ok | 18:00 |
| vikram_ | bye | 18:01 |
| MaxKlyus | thanks a lot | 18:01 |
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| MaxKlyus | bye | 18:01 |
| cathy_ | #stopmeeting | 18:01 |
| s3wong | endmeeting? | 18:01 |
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| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 18:01:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-08-06-17.01.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-08-06-17.01.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-08-06-17.01.log.html | 18:01 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: :-) | 18:01 |
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