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| Sukhdev | Hello folks | 15:59 |
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| Sukhdev | are we ready for Ironic-neutron integration meeting? | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting ironic_neutron | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 29 16:00:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron' | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | Welcome to our weekly meeting | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | who is out there? | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll…are you here? | 16:01 |
| jroll | hi | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Announcements (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:02 | |
| Sukhdev | I was at neutron mid-cycle sprint last week | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | had some discussion about ironic-neutron integration - I will cover under Open Discussion topic | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody would like to announce anything? | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | well, lets dive into the agenda.. | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Spec Reviews | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Spec Reviews (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:04 | |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187829/ | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | there are few new comments on this - jroll you may want to answer | 16:04 |
| jroll | so dmitry has a couple valid points here | 16:04 |
| jroll | I'll be responding / updating here later on today or tomorrow | 16:04 |
| * jroll just got back from vacation hence the lag :) | 16:05 | |
| Sukhdev | jroll: cool - thanks | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: wonderful….so, all relaxed :-) | 16:05 |
| jroll | something like that :) | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: you were going to discuss with Ironic cores as well some nova folks? | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: any update on that front? | 16:06 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: nova folks seem fine without a spec, I put up some wip patches there | 16:07 |
| jroll | and still hoping to get ironic spec reviews :) | 16:07 |
| * devananda lurks | 16:07 | |
| Sukhdev | jroll: Isn't ironic weekly meeting after this meeting? Perhaps bring it up there | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: wecome | 16:08 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: it's been brought up in the meeting, specs cores are busy | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: we can use your blessing on couple of specs | 16:08 |
| jroll | .... we need reviews from all cores, not just the ptl | 16:08 |
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| jroll | it'll get done, just takes time | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: ah I see.. with Liberty-1 behind, we may be able to get some cycles now :-) | 16:09 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: I bless a spec by sprinkling water on my screen while it's rendered, right? | 16:09 |
| devananda | :) | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: something like that, yeah :-) | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: thanks jroll for being on top of things | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | The next spec | 16:10 |
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| jroll | np | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188528/ | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | lauramoore: thanks for updating it | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | lauramoore: I reviewed it - it looks good as well | 16:10 |
| lauramoore | sukhdev: thanks | 16:11 |
| lauramoore | i don't think many others have looked at it yet | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | lauramoore: hopefully with in next few days - it is short week in US | 16:12 |
| jroll | I need to review that, will do early this week | 16:12 |
| viveknarasimhan | yes laura, would be great to give a day or two | 16:12 |
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| lauramoore | jroll and viveknarasimhan: thanks, that'd be good | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | anything on the specs - any questions? before we move to next topic | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Bare metal physical connectivity Scenarios | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Bare metal physical connectivity Scenarios (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:13 | |
| Sukhdev | Huge thanks to viveknarasimhan for putting together a document | 16:13 |
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| viveknarasimhan | Sukhdev: thanks | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B501-UCM_VGvVnB5LXJ4a3hhdE0/view?usp=sharing | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | viveknarasimhan listed all the scenarios that we discussed during the design summit | 16:14 |
| viveknarasimhan | That covers Unsupported scenarios as well | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | Did folks have time to review this document? | 16:14 |
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| viveknarasimhan | Updated Link here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a-DX4FQZoX1SdTOd9w_Ug6kCKdY1wfrDcR3SKVhWlcQ/view?usp=sharing | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | I reviewed and provided feedback - and noticed viveknarasimhan addressed my comments | 16:15 |
| * jroll looking now | 16:15 | |
| Sukhdev | viveknarasimhan: is this different version? | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | viveknarasimhan: I reviewed the one which is on the agenda | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | viveknarasimhan: I do not see scenario 3 & 4 in the link that you provided | 16:17 |
| jroll | I don't see why 3 and 4 shouldn't be supported, seems trivial | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | viveknarasimhan: never mind - you moved them to the bottom | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: agree - I think we can support them | 16:17 |
| jroll | I don't think we'll need to do anything special to support them | 16:18 |
| jroll | same with 10 and 11, honestly | 16:18 |
| jroll | maybe 11 needs work, idk | 16:18 |
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| jroll | ok and 10 | 16:18 |
| jroll | fair. | 16:18 |
| * Sukhdev looking | 16:19 | |
| jroll | it's the problem with matching nic to network | 16:19 |
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| lauramoore | jroll: yes i agree with your points, i think 3 and 4 should be ok but 10 and 11 need the nic to network matching | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll lauramoore : I agree with your assesment | 16:20 |
| viveknarasimhan | laura: scenario 3 and 4 | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | During design summit - we agreed that scenario 3 will be considered same as scenario 2 - i.e. two ports going from same BM to same switch will be treated as LAG'ed ports | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | therefore, i am thinking we will treat scenario 2 and 3 as same | 16:23 |
| jroll | are there repercussions to that? | 16:23 |
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| lauramoore | sukhdev, viveknarasimhan: i think what sukhdev says will be best to focus on for start | 16:23 |
| lauramoore | the part i'm not too sure on is that currently Nova puts a network on one port at random | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: I can't think of any - perhaps cloud operators can comment | 16:24 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: I'm thinking in the "guest" | 16:25 |
| jroll | I'm not sure if LAG vs non-LAG behaves differently or whatever | 16:25 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: I think we'll probably want to treat them differently | 16:25 |
| jroll | idk how it looks switch side either, I may need to talk to some folks | 16:25 |
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| * jroll does it | 16:26 | |
| Sukhdev | lauramoore: Do you know how you plan on deploying it? | 16:26 |
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| lauramoore | sukhdev: our use case was for LAG'ed ports | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | lauramoore: that is what I thought | 16:27 |
| jroll | I'm chatting with someone now | 16:27 |
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| vivekn | laura: so can we ignore scenaro 3 and 4 for now | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: cool | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | vivekn: your ID changed - did you get disconnected? | 16:28 |
| vivekn | laura: as we say we cover only LAGed ports | 16:28 |
| vivekn | Sukhdev: got disconnected, logged back in as 'vivekn' | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | vivekn: thought so :-) | 16:28 |
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| lauramoore | the way i was seeing it was the port-group represented a LAG'ed port (as discussed in summit). If the ports are not LAG'ed then they'd be represented as 2 ports | 16:28 |
| jroll | so what I'm hearing, and this sounds sane to me, is "you can never have two interfaces on the same physical network without crazy routing shenanigans" | 16:29 |
| jroll | so maybe scenario 3 is mostly invalid | 16:29 |
| vivekn | jroll: how about scenario 4 | 16:30 |
| vivekn | jroll: agree scenario 3 is not useful and would be void | 16:30 |
| vivekn | would that be void as well (wouldn't HA for physical net be a consideration here though)? | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: my hunch was on the same lines - why would one connect two ports from the same source to same destination and not configure them as LAG'ed | 16:30 |
| jroll | vivekn: you would do MLAG if you wanted HA | 16:30 |
| jroll | bonding etc | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | vivekn: scenario 4 is valid | 16:31 |
| jroll | so yeah, 3 and 4 seem invalid to me | 16:31 |
| jroll | oh? | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: why scenario 4 is invalid - I am confused - this is MLAG case | 16:32 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: right, sorry, it didn't call out MLAG so I thought this was somehow doing that without MLAG | 16:32 |
| jroll | might be nice to call that out specifically | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: got you…. | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | yes, I am thinking scenario 4 is MLAG - | 16:33 |
| jroll | +1 | 16:33 |
| lauramoore | +1 | 16:33 |
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| vivekn | jroll: so how do we handle scenario 4 as per the spec? | 16:33 |
| vivekn | we treat that as LAG port itself | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | vivekn: can you post a document where we can post the comments on it? this will allow reviewers to add comments/clarifications? | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | vivekn: I mean change the permissions, etc… so, that we can edit it as well | 16:34 |
| vivekn | Sukhdev: i have made the doc public | 16:34 |
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| jroll | vivekn: I haven't completely read the spec yet but surely we can work it out? | 16:35 |
| vivekn | Sukhdev: let me check and give away permissions | 16:35 |
| lauramoore | i would think 2 ports in 1 port-group, the binding profile would contain 2 local link infos each with a different switch_id | 16:35 |
| vivekn | Sukhdev: thought everybody could edit | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | vivekn: for whatever reason, I could not add comment - perhaps screw up on my side then | 16:35 |
| jroll | lauramoore: yeah, seems sane | 16:35 |
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| vivekn | laura: thanks for clarification | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | vivekn: let me answer your question on scenario 4 | 16:36 |
| vivekn | laura: a variation of scenario 2 then, just with different switch id in the list element | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | vivekn: So, from the Iornic side, the port-group will be created with those two ports shown in scenario 4 and this port group will be used to invoke neutron port-create() | 16:37 |
| lauramoore | vivekn: yes thats how i see it | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | lauramoore: +1 | 16:37 |
| vivekn | Sukhdev and laura: thanks for clarification | 16:37 |
| vivekn | Sukhdev: I will move Scenario 4 to Supported | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | vivekn: thanks | 16:38 |
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| vivekn | Hope we are in sync that Scenario 3 is void, and scenario 10 and 11 are Unsupported due to NIC to network mapping issue | 16:38 |
| jroll | sounds good to me. | 16:38 |
| lauramoore | vivekn: +1 | 16:38 |
| vivekn | Thanks! | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | +1 | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | vivekn: Thanks for taking time to get this clarified | 16:39 |
| vivekn | Sukhdev: Thanks ! | 16:39 |
| lauramoore | sukhdev: +1 thanks vivekn | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | anything else on these scenarios? Looks like all others are OK | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | I have one more item to discuss - shall we move on? | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:40 |
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| vivekn | Sukhdev: yes, please | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | As I mentioned, I was at the neutron mid-cycle sprint and had detailed chat with armax about ironic-neutron integration | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | as we were discussing the filtering issue that vivekn had brought up on the spec | 16:41 |
| armax | Sukhdev: I am still going through the spec, I am terribly slow but I am going to finish it today no matter what | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | armax mentioned that we could possibly use "Compute: Ironic" | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | armax: no worries - please chime in, your input is welcome | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | So, for the background puposes | 16:42 |
| armax | Sukhdev: we’d need to run this idea by someone who is familiar with the use of that device_owner | 16:42 |
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| armax | Sukhdev: kevin and I found out that this is also used to track cells | 16:43 |
| jroll | yeah, let's back up, I have zero context here | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | presently NOVA sets device_owner for the BM server port to "compute:none" | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: I am giving the context stay with me | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | in fact nova sets the port's device_owner for all compute related ports VMs as well BMs to "Compute:none" | 16:44 |
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| Sukhdev | so, the thought which armax and I were discussing is that perhaps we can use it to set to "compute:Ironic" for BM servers and leave it alone for VMs | 16:45 |
| jroll | what is device_owner used for? | 16:46 |
| jroll | and why do we want to set that? | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | neutron uses it to identityfy who does the port belong to - eg. device_owners are compute, dhcp, router, etc | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: in ML2 drivers we often use device_owner to filter the compute ports from other ports | 16:47 |
| jroll | ok | 16:48 |
| lauramoore | sukhdev: do you know where nova sets this? | 16:48 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: we usually use the filters as "starts with compute" as it is alway set to compute:none | 16:48 |
| vivekn | jroll: in the spec, it was mentioend that binding:HOST_ID will contain '-ironic-'. Sukhdev's point is in lieu of that | 16:48 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: and why do we need to be able to filter for ironic ports? just to be able to know that it's baremetal? | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | vivekn: correct - we could use host or device-owner | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: correct | 16:49 |
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| jroll | so | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: if somebody wants to filter ironic ports from VM ports | 16:49 |
| jroll | nova actually sets it to compute:%s % instance.availability_zone | 16:49 |
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| jroll | lauramoore: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/network/neutronv2/api.py#L644-646 | 16:50 |
| lauramoore | ah ok i see it | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | but, both armax and I felt it may be hard to push it through nova - but, neither of us familiar with it | 16:50 |
| jroll | so | 16:51 |
| jroll | I still like host_id or whatever | 16:51 |
| jroll | because we can put the actual ironic node id there | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: I wanted to through it out there so that we can debate about it | 16:52 |
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| jroll | yeah, I don't see any benefit to this, and seems non-trivial | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: both armax and I felt that we should proceed with our plan (which is use host_id), but, keep other options open | 16:52 |
| jroll | yeah, I agree | 16:53 |
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| Sukhdev | I will add it to the long term lists so that we do not forget about it | 16:53 |
| armax | whichever way we’re proceeding, we’re simply abusing fields whose role is not the one intended | 16:53 |
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| Sukhdev | armax: currently with BM deployments, the host_id field has a wrong/useless value | 16:54 |
| jroll | I mean | 16:55 |
| jroll | host_id is meant to be the host for the instance, right? | 16:55 |
| jroll | which is the ironic node. | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | armax: while I agree with you that we are overloading this, but, in a way, we are fixing it too :-) | 16:55 |
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| armax | no we aren’t …we’re only adding stuff to the mess | 16:55 |
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| armax | host id has a specific meaning | 16:55 |
| armax | as jroll said, it’s the hypervisor | 16:56 |
| jroll | armax: well, the ironic node is the equivalent of the hypervisor in this case | 16:56 |
| jroll | so 'ironic-%s' % instance.node doesn't seem horrible | 16:56 |
| jroll | to me, anyway | 16:56 |
| armax | what’s the ironic- for? | 16:56 |
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| jroll | right, so that's the weird part | 16:57 |
| armax | jroll: correct, | 16:57 |
| jroll | but it's so ML2 things can know it's baremetal | 16:57 |
| jroll | which sucks | 16:57 |
| armax | that’s what I dislike | 16:57 |
| jroll | btw, WIP patch here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194413/1 | 16:57 |
| jroll | yeah | 16:57 |
| jroll | open to other options. | 16:57 |
| armax | we’re conflating two things in one | 16:57 |
| jroll | I agree | 16:57 |
| jroll | I'd rather a new field | 16:57 |
| jroll | or better yet, I'd rather the ML2 things just figure it out | 16:58 |
| armax | figure out how | 16:58 |
| armax | ? | 16:58 |
| vivekn | jroll: easy to say ML2 things just figurer out :) | 16:58 |
| jroll | I have no clue :) | 16:58 |
| armax | from an unstable/undefined field format? | 16:58 |
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| armax | that’s just great! | 16:58 |
| jroll | armax: I hear ya. | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll armax: folks that is why I brought up device_owner discussion - | 16:59 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: same problem there, you're just overloading an existing thing | 16:59 |
| armax | IMO, the device owner is the most sensible place | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: kinda - but, seems more cleaner | 17:00 |
| armax | because, as it’s name, it’s holding what infrastructure is using the port | 17:00 |
| jroll | well, it's currently the availability zone for the instance | 17:00 |
| jroll | I do see your point thuogh | 17:00 |
| armax | now we have compute:<zone> | 17:01 |
| jroll | seems meeting is over :/ | 17:01 |
| armax | today | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | folks we are out of time….lets all sleep over it - we can discuss it further in our next meeting | 17:01 |
| armax | ok | 17:01 |
| armax | bye | 17:01 |
| lauramoore | ok, thanks sukhdev | 17:01 |
| jroll | armax: happy to continue in another channel if you'd like | 17:01 |
| vivekn | Sukhdev: ok thanks :) | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | in the mean time, lets look at the code a bit and see if it is trivial to implement it | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | thanks for attending the meeting | 17:02 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: it's approximately the same amount of work | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 29 17:02:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2015/ironic_neutron.2015-06-29-16.00.html | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2015/ironic_neutron.2015-06-29-16.00.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2015/ironic_neutron.2015-06-29-16.00.log.html | 17:02 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: perhaps in that case we can use device_owner - it will make neutron side happier | 17:02 |
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| armax | jroll: let me mull over this a bit more | 17:03 |
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