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| Sukhdev | Hello Ironic-neutron integration folks | 16:00 |
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| yushiro | Hello, all | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | will wait for a sec for others to show up | 16:01 |
| pshige | hello! | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: are you here? | 16:02 |
| jroll | morning :) | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Good morning to all | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting ironic_neutron | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 8 16:02:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron' | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Agenda | 16:03 |
| lazy_prince | hi all... | 16:03 |
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| jlvillal | o/ | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | Folks we have a very concentrated agenda this morning | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | We have couple of specs out | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | We should set a goal to get these reviewed and finalized to a point so that we can move forward with implementation | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | that leads me to my question: | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | I know we have lots of people here who are in listen only mode - are there folks who are willing to jump in and help with the implementation? | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | We can use volunteers | 16:05 |
| lazy_prince | I would be happy to help.. | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | lazy_prince: cool - thanks | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | anybody else? | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Specs for review | 16:06 |
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| lazy_prince | I think many ppl forgot about the meeting itself.. | 16:06 |
| yushiro | Sukhdev, Hi, I want to help about that | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | lazy_prince: I am suspecting that is the case :-) | 16:07 |
| * jroll will of course be helping | 16:07 | |
| Sukhdev | yushiro: cool - thanks | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | Lets go through the specs and then you can tell us which area would you like to participate | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | We have two specs out - thanks to jroll and BertieFulton | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | Lets go through them one at a time - | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | First start with - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188528/ | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | I see lots of good comments | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | I think there are two critical points that need answered which can move us into the implementation, while the spec is being cleaned up | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | 1) Agreement on the dict contents that needs to go to Neutron - | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | Look at the line 114 comments | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | This has to do with LAG/MLAGGed ports - there are several questions | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | we need to be able to specify anywhere from one port to all the way 4 ports - that a BM could be connected with | 16:11 |
| lazy_prince | yup.. | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | I made a suggestion - did you folks have any opportunity to review it? | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | any agreements/disagreements/screems? | 16:11 |
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| * Sukhdev waiting | 16:12 | |
| amotoki | is it specific to ML2? I think we are discussing a general model among neturon/ironic/nova. | 16:12 |
| jroll | this spec in particular is around what the ML2/ironic interaction and data model looks like | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: correct - but, this has to do with how do we want to represent ports - i.e. port channels, etc | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: ML2 will be the ultimate consumer of this information | 16:13 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: agree. it is on how we describe a port. | 16:13 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: so just one thing, I think the reply's to morgabra's question there are a different thing than what he's asking | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | Hence, we need a concrete agreement - so that implementation can move forward | 16:14 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: say we have two port groups. we want to connect two networks | 16:14 |
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| jroll | is there a plan for picking which group connects to each network? | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: yes, in this case, Ironic add_network() method (called out in your spec) will invoke neutron port_create() with one port-channel group only | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | and will repeat port-create for each network | 16:15 |
| lazy_prince | yes but which one..? | 16:15 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: how does the user decide? (or do they decide at all) | 16:15 |
| jroll | right | 16:15 |
| jroll | how do I, as a user, tell ironic that I want port(group) A to connect to network Z, and port(group) B to connect to network X | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | Look at line 185 - API proposal that i have | 16:16 |
| jroll | and not the other way around | 16:16 |
| lazy_prince | I could have a one groups with two nics with 10Gb and another with two nics with 1Gb | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | they will pick the port group that they would have created | 16:16 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: when I do 'nova boot' how do I decide what ports should connect to what network? | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | Line 185 comment was going to be my second critical point which requires agreement - so, you walked me right into it :-) | 16:17 |
| amotoki | We need to agree is how to represent a port. A port may be a single port, aggregated port like lag, port-channel. | 16:17 |
| amotoki | we can reprensent a port as either name or port number. | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: Good question - | 16:18 |
| jroll | amotoki: that has been mostly decided; the spec outlines what we've generally agreed on | 16:18 |
| viveknarasimhan | ironic should create networks for its port | 16:18 |
| viveknarasimhan | before creating the ports | 16:18 |
| viveknarasimhan | themselves | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: jroll has a good question as to how to decide which port to connect to which network | 16:18 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: yes | 16:19 |
| viveknarasimhan | there should be user-input to ironic interface (REST API ) which user provides information | 16:19 |
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| jroll | viveknarasimhan: ironic is an admin-only api. what about users that only interact with nova and don't have access to the ironic api? | 16:20 |
| rkukura | It seems to me that connecting a single NIC to multiple networks depends on neutron implementing trunk ports first. Am I missing something? | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | jroll, amotoki : can we not pick any port - as long as the BM is connoted to correct network - | 16:20 |
| lazy_prince | viveknarasimhan: networks will be managed by Neutron... and network details are provided when performing nova boot.. | 16:20 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: technically, yes. in reality I might have a 10g nic that I want in a certain network, and a 1g nic I want in another network | 16:20 |
| viveknarasimhan | then the nova user has to use a pre-created neutron network when port-create is done for ironic port | 16:20 |
| jroll | viveknarasimhan: sure, how does ironic know *which port* to attach to *which network*? | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: Does nova allow today to pick a nic/port to specified at the nova boot time? | 16:21 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: no, because all virtual nics are created equal :) | 16:21 |
| amotoki | I think we can know which interfcace/port group is connected to which network. It is a part covered by a process of discovery. | 16:21 |
| lazy_prince | rkukura: correct.. but here, we need to decide access mode for port groups when multiple port groups are available.. | 16:22 |
| amotoki | woops..... which port is connected to which SWITCH PORT/NAMED PORT. | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: So, I see two ways to address this - 1) Ironic picks without any user input 2) we add an option to mova boot to specify nic/port | 16:23 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: right. I think (2) is the most useful, but as we'll need to fall back to (1) in the case of "I don't care", maybe we do (1) first and build on that | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: once we know the ports (through discovery), how do we know the wish of user that which port he wants to connect to which network - that is jroll's point | 16:24 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: I just don't want to lose track of (2) while we're doing (1) | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: I am in favor of 1) for now | 16:24 |
| amotoki | if there is no input from users, can't we pick up any port? | 16:24 |
| lazy_prince | can we first focus on functionality and then tailor it for specific use cases like pin pointing the network to a nic/port group..? | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: agree - we can make a note of 2) in the spec (I can add to wiki as well) for long term items to track | 16:25 |
| jroll | lazy_prince: +1 | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: that will be option 1) | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | lazy_prince: +1 | 16:25 |
| morgabra | Sukhdev: jroll: another concerning thing I just heard: We should certainly allow the same port/port group to attach to multiple networks, there's no reason the neutron plugin could not trunk multiple networks over the same port | 16:25 |
| morgabra | in fact, we do that with our hacky plugin today | 16:25 |
| jroll | agree | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | morgabra: that work is in progress in neutron - but, not yet available - we will allow that as soon as it becomes available in neutron | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | morgabra: This was discussed in Summit during design - it is documented on the ehterpad | 16:26 |
| lazy_prince | yup.. lets focus on simple use cases like 1 nic to 1 network... | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | Lets get back to the point where we started from | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | Lets go back to line 114 comments - i.e. how do we want to represent the ports to neutron | 16:27 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | checking connectivity to webchat server - ping | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | Please see my comment - and see if you agree/disagree or want to screem :-) | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | viveknarasimhan_ ? | 16:28 |
| jroll | viveknarasimhan_: 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms | 16:28 |
| jroll | :) | 16:28 |
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| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: i missed your comment , was punted out of room :) | 16:28 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: can you please post your comment again | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | viveknarasimhan_: see my comment on line 114 | 16:29 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: so your proposal is a list of ports, which may or may not be a list of port groups? | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | viveknarasimhan_: as to how do we represent the physical ports to neutron - morgabra and lauramoore had raised a concern, I sort of made a proposal there | 16:30 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | list of local _link_information | 16:30 |
| jroll | I'm not sure I understand this proposal | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: It is a list of port groups - and port group is a list of ports | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: so this gives you ability to pass anywhere from 1 to 4 ports - or more port groups | 16:31 |
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| jroll | it's port groups all the way down then? | 16:31 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: i see that you propose a list of local_link_information for LAG Ports | 16:32 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: that is fine with me | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: sorta - this gives you all possibilities - and see keeps things consistent and simple - unless anybody has a creative way | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | s/see/still | 16:32 |
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| jroll | I don't see why a port group needs to be a maximum of two ports, personally | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: it does not have to be - but, most of the times, I have seen it that way - | 16:34 |
| lazy_prince | why not keep all available port in same port group for now... | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: but, this proposal does not limit you to only 2 - I only used it as an example | 16:34 |
| jroll | +1 | 16:34 |
| jroll | a port group defines a single logical connection | 16:34 |
| lazy_prince | and relook at it when thhings start working.. | 16:34 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: Neutron would come to know | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: port-group is really a list of ports - its does not limit to only 2 - it can be 1 or more ports | 16:35 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: Or would neutron need to know if its being passed a port group at all | 16:35 |
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| lauramoore | i don't see a reason to have to have a limit either | 16:36 |
| lazy_prince | probably it would.. as neutron will need the MAC ID for the port group.. | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | viveknarasimhan_: Neutron will be given a list of port-groups - if there are more items in the list, it assumes a port-group otherwise, it is a single port | 16:36 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: so it should be [port.local_link_information for port in port_group.ports] | 16:36 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: This port and port-group terminology is maintained purely in Ironic side, right? We see only neutron port with network information as many of them equal to side of list of local_link_information | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: yup - something like that | 16:37 |
| lauramoore | i agree with jroll suggestion | 16:37 |
| amotoki | I am confused with the terminology... | 16:37 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: Ok, the list size of local_link_information | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | viveknarasimhan_: correct | 16:37 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | determines for neutron if its a port-group or just a port | 16:37 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: Ok clear! | 16:37 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: perhaps the wording of your proposal is confusing me, then, I don't understand "list of port groups" | 16:37 |
| jroll | ok, I see | 16:37 |
| jroll | does neutron care if it's a port group vs a port? (i.e. are there special things configured for a LAG on the switch) | 16:38 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Can you clarify whether “port-group” is a list of neutron ports or a list of switch ports? | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: if we are in agreement on the concept, I will work with Bertie lauramoore to get the terminology all cleared up | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: one neutron port maps to one port-group | 16:38 |
| jroll | rkukura: list of ironic ports, which correspond 1:1 with physical nics / switch ports | 16:38 |
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| viveknarasimhan_ | rkukura: a port-group is a list of switch ports not Neutron ports | 16:39 |
| pshige | rkukura: I can't see some characters | 16:39 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | rkukura: It is a LAG of which all switch ports will belong to the same network and so same segment | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | We are running out of time - lets start summarizing things | 16:39 |
| rkukura | thanks | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | So, I assuming, we are in general good with line 114 comments - | 16:40 |
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| Sukhdev | lets quickly talk about line 185 comments - this is API modification | 16:40 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: +1 from me on port-group terminology for LAG ports | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | I threw it out there as straw man proposal for API modification - | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | viveknarasimhan_: thanks | 16:41 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: seems mostly good to me... API impact should be fairly easy, add keys to the json body for create/update | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: correct | 16:41 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: I don't think there's much to debate there, we just need to list what's changing | 16:41 |
| jroll | seems like more of a "need time to do this" rather than "let's decide what this looks like" | 16:42 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Have a query on Sukhdev comment L 185 | 16:42 |
| lauramoore | we should have this in the next patch in the next day or two | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: correct - but, we need closures so that implementation can begin while the spec is being cleaned up | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | Now on to my question - who would like to jump in to implement this? | 16:42 |
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| Sukhdev | yushiro, lazy_prince - any one of you want to take a crack at it? | 16:43 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: it's just a rest api. I think people can figure it out while the spec gets tidied up :) | 16:43 |
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| lazy_prince | i could take a look at the rest api.. | 16:44 |
| lauramoore | Sukhdev, i'm also interested in giving this a go | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: that is my point - so that we can start to move forward with API changes | 16:44 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Well, I guess Sukhdev requests about Ironic side REST API feeding information | 16:44 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: can you please let us know if am i right ? | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | Cool - we have two people - can lauramoore and lazy_prince work out on this one | 16:45 |
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| Sukhdev | #action: lauramoore and lazy_prince to come up with a patch for API modification | 16:45 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: sure, I just don't think there's much to debate about a rest api. it's a json representation of the object. just update it to add the new fields | 16:45 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: though we need to add it to the spec | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | lazy_prince, lauramoore : I gave you action to work on a patch | 16:45 |
| lazy_prince | cool.. | 16:45 |
| lauramoore | sure | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: +1 | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: the second spec | 16:46 |
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| lauramoore | but i will aim to update the spec first | 16:46 |
| jroll | the api changes need to be based on top of the db changes, fwiw, or else they won't work at all :P | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | Now lets dive into the next spec - | 16:46 |
| lazy_prince | we only have 14 minutes.. | 16:46 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: Neutron side changes in ML2 plugin, do you foresee any effects there , based on the bind_requested flag? | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: correct - I am assuming lauramoore and lazy_prince will figure it out - and shout for help, if needed, we are here every week to help/address issues | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | viveknarasimhan_: not really - | 16:47 |
| jroll | yep | 16:47 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: Ok | 16:47 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187829/1/specs/liberty/network-provider.rst | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | lazy_prince: thanks for reminder - that is why I am rushing through :-) | 16:47 |
| jroll | are there any major concerns in here we must hash out during the meeting? | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | I see the second spec is in a good shape - I had only one critical issue with it | 16:48 |
| * Sukhdev - looking for my comment | 16:48 | |
| rkukura | I’m a bit concerned about the bind_requested flag, but need to read the spec more closely. Note that ML2 already has a way to control whether binding is requested - setting the binding:host_id attributes. Any chance ironic could simply set binding:host_id to empty when it doesn’t want the port bound? | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: my comment on line 185 | 16:49 |
| jroll | rkukura: AIUI that will set the port to "binding failed", which isn't really great from an ops perspective | 16:49 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: ok, there's two reasons for this | 16:49 |
| jroll | 1) I'd like this to be a pluggable layer such that someone could write a plugin for a network provider that is not neutron, if they wish | 16:50 |
| rkukura | jroll: Setting binding:host_id to empry should result in binding:vif_type being “unbound” | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes, that can be used - we thought there is no reason to overload it | 16:50 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I wouldn’t consider this to be overloading it, since that’s already what it does. | 16:50 |
| jroll | 2) see Om Kumar's comment, I agree here. though maybe per-port would be better. either way we need the option, whether it's a db field or a config option | 16:50 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: agree with rkukura, to reuse host_id field | 16:51 |
| lazy_prince | hmm.. That Om kumar is me.. :) | 16:51 |
| jroll | can we keep this to one topic please?' | 16:51 |
| lazy_prince | wanted to check of that comment makes sense.. | 16:51 |
| jroll | lazy_prince: TIL! :) | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: perhaps then we can use it - this is a minor modification - I will work with you offline on this and get it incorporated - if that makes sense | 16:51 |
| viveknarasimhan_ | Sukhdev: in lieu of adding a new field bind_requested | 16:51 |
| jroll | lazy_prince: I like the idea behind per-port config for that | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: sorry | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: so, I see the following issue - Perhaps it is my thinking which is skewed here - bear with me for a sec | 16:52 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: let me put it this way, there are people using ironic without neutron today. | 16:53 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: and those folks wish to continue to do so. | 16:53 |
| jroll | we don't want to force neutron (or any openstack services) on ironic users | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | in order for ironic to connect a port to the network, neutron needs to know about this network - i.e. somebody needs to do neutron net-create before it can be used | 16:53 |
| lazy_prince | Ironic can work as a standalone app too | 16:53 |
| jroll | ^ | 16:54 |
| pshige | :) | 16:54 |
| jroll | ironic has a clear goal of being useful without any of the rest of openstack | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | and, when a network is created, that is when a VLAN is associated with the network - which will be used to plumb the ports | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | so, in my mind that creates a chicken-n-egg problem | 16:54 |
| lazy_prince | it could also happen that some drivers may want to do deployment without changing the network.. in which case this pluggable model helps.. | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | jroll, lazy_prince : so I see your use case - looks like we have two use cases to address then | 16:55 |
| amotoki | what is assumed when ironic is in a standalone mode? what network model is expected? | 16:55 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: it's not *my* use case, it's an explicit goal of the ironic project | 16:55 |
| jroll | amotoki: flat | 16:55 |
| amotoki | flat network? | 16:55 |
| jroll | static dhcp etc | 16:55 |
| amotoki | sounds reasonable | 16:56 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: what's the problem with neutron being optional? | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: there is no problem - however, when we want to use neutron for plumbing, we need to provide it the information it needs to plumb things correctly | 16:57 |
| killer_prince | foo now, its flat.. but it does not have to be flat always.. | 16:57 |
| killer_prince | s/foo/for/ | 16:57 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: right, so we make a pluggable layer with the right methods. the other option is 'none' or something, which will just ignore those calls | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: OK now we are on to something | 16:58 |
| killer_prince | more precisely, we would like to controll it from ironic.. | 16:58 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: lines 39-48 or so | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | jroll: but, I am interested in covering the case when neutron is in play - we want to make sure we have things in correct order so that it will work | 16:58 |
| pshige | lots of princes :) | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | pshige, we need kings :-) | 16:59 |
| killer_prince | 1min left.. | 16:59 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: sure, but this spec should also cover the pluggability, from an ironic perspective | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll: I was not aware of the stand alone use case - let me go back and re-review in this light | 16:59 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: it also means we need to think about the "uses neutron but not nova" case, which may be painful | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | moreover, we are out of time - lets add comments on the spec and take it from there - jroll I will catch you on ironic irc for questions | 17:00 |
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| jroll | I guess we're out of time now... I'm in ironic and neutron channels if anyone wants to continue :) | 17:00 |
| pshige | thanks! | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | OK folks thanks for attending - this was a very productive discussion | 17:01 |
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| Sukhdev | thanks and bye | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 8 17:01:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| yushiro | all, sorry for slow reply... | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2015/ironic_neutron.2015-06-08-16.02.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2015/ironic_neutron.2015-06-08-16.02.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2015/ironic_neutron.2015-06-08-16.02.log.html | 17:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello L2 GW folks are you here? | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | It is the time for L2 Gateway meeting | 17:02 |
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| amotoki | it's too late to me. I need to follow. night | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | armax: are you here? | 17:02 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: have a good night | 17:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Still waiting for L2 Gateway folks to show up | 17:03 |
| armax | Sukhdev: yes | 17:03 |
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| marutikamat | Hi Sukhdev, armax | 17:03 |
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| armax | hi marutikamat | 17:04 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_l2gw | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 8 17:04:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_l2gw)" | 17:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_l2gw' | 17:04 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 17:04 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/L2Gateway | 17:04 |
| Sukhdev | sorry folks jumping from one meeting to another | 17:05 |
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| Sukhdev | armax marutikamat : did you have a chance to look at the agenda? | 17:05 |
| armax | yes | 17:05 |
| marutikamat | Yes I did | 17:06 |
| Sukhdev | Are we good with it - or want to cover anything else? | 17:06 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 17:06 |
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| marutikamat | I will add something in the end | 17:06 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: cool | 17:06 |
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| Sukhdev | The presentation at summit went very well - I got lots of queries - | 17:07 |
| Sukhdev | I am sure you got many as well | 17:07 |
| marutikamat | Yes | 17:07 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-videos/presentation/bringing-provider-networks-into-openstack-using-l2-gateway | 17:07 |
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| Sukhdev | I was hoping that we will have many additional people joining us today | 17:07 |
| Sukhdev | anybody in this meeting who has not introduced themselves yet? Please do so…now... | 17:08 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: L2 GW Wiki updated | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": L2 GW Wiki updated (Meeting topic: networking_l2gw)" | 17:08 | |
| Sukhdev | I took some time to update the wiki yesterday | 17:09 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/L2-GW | 17:09 |
| Sukhdev | Please have a look and feel free to update as needed - I also added links to the demos | 17:10 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Requested features in Liberty | 17:10 |
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| marutikamat | Thanks Sukhdev | 17:10 |
| armax | thanks Sukhdev, it looks good | 17:10 |
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| Sukhdev | I have listed one new feture | 17:10 |
| Sukhdev | OVSDB server connection initiation - | 17:11 |
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| Sukhdev | I briefly chatted with you about it in Vancouver | 17:11 |
| armax | Sukhdev: I wonder if we should have a ‘roadmap’ section that shows what we do/did each release | 17:11 |
| Sukhdev | We need ability to be able to initiate connection from either side | 17:11 |
| Sukhdev | armax: excellent idea | 17:12 |
| marutikamat | +1 with armax | 17:12 |
| Sukhdev | armax: you want to add, or you want me to do the honors? | 17:12 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: that goes for you too - I did not mean to exclude you | 17:13 |
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| marutikamat | I got the idea Sukhdev what you are asking. However, we will need a BP for this. | 17:13 |
| armax | Sukhdev: I can sketch something out? | 17:13 |
| Sukhdev | armax: cool thanks - let me know if you need any help from me | 17:13 |
| armax | marutikamat: either a bp or a bug fix | 17:13 |
| armax | marutikamat: I mean bug report | 17:13 |
| Sukhdev | I would think a bug should be sufficient - unless you want to go through the hassle of BP | 17:14 |
| marutikamat | Per the original spec, all the connections are opened by the gw agents. But in this change, the connections will be opened by the OVSDB server itself. | 17:14 |
| Sukhdev | I could open a bug, if you like | 17:14 |
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| marutikamat | ok | 17:15 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: OK - as in OK to open a bug? :-) | 17:15 |
| marutikamat | Are we giving an option to the use in ini file? | 17:16 |
| marutikamat | s/use/user | 17:16 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: yes, it will better - but, I am OK either way | 17:16 |
| marutikamat | please file a bug | 17:16 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: will do | 17:16 |
| marutikamat | ok, we will figure out after investigation | 17:17 |
| Sukhdev | armax marutikamat : any other feature you are considering for Liberty? | 17:17 |
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| armax | We’ve been saying we wanted a softweare l2gw | 17:17 |
| armax | but no-one is stepping up and volunteer | 17:18 |
| armax | they all want the cake but not pay for it :) | 17:18 |
| Sukhdev | armax: correct :-) | 17:18 |
| marutikamat | Yes. Just to inform you, myself and selva have been pulled out and put into some other projects. I was also thinking of support for service node and supporting l2gw through ODL | 17:18 |
| Sukhdev | armax: I am a bit disappointed - I was hoping to see lot more new people here asking for all kinds of features | 17:18 |
| marutikamat | armax i will send out a separate e-mail on the l2gw-ODL integration | 17:19 |
| armax | marutikamat: ok, let’s sync up offline | 17:19 |
| armax | Sukhdev: perhaps we need more advertising, during the neutron irc meeting? | 17:19 |
| Sukhdev | armax: I did few times in the past - I'll put it on next week's meeting | 17:20 |
| marutikamat | nsx supports service node for unknown traffic. we should also support it. | 17:20 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: you mean punt all BUM traffic to service node? | 17:21 |
| marutikamat | one more item s DVR with l2gw | 17:21 |
| armax | we should start building a backlog of items, via bug list and whatnot | 17:22 |
| marutikamat | yes Sukhdev | 17:22 |
| Sukhdev | armax: Actually, we can list them on the wiki - when you list roadmap, perhaps we can add a section for future (long term) items - | 17:22 |
| Sukhdev | armax: that may generate interest among others | 17:23 |
| armax | Sukhdev: I was thinking that the roadmap should capture big ticket items | 17:23 |
| armax | and duplicating the list is a bit of a pain to keep in sync | 17:23 |
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| Sukhdev | armax: we can create a bug and put the pointer under roadmap - that will keep things easy | 17:23 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: can you open bugs for each of the items you mentioned? | 17:24 |
| marutikamat | ok sure Sukhdev. | 17:24 |
| marutikamat | please put action item on me | 17:24 |
| armax | Sukhdev: ok, let me see what we put together | 17:24 |
| marutikamat | Is Isaku there in the meeting? | 17:25 |
| Sukhdev | #action: marutikamat to create bugs for each of the new feature enhancements for L2 Gateway | 17:25 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: I do not see him here | 17:25 |
| marutikamat | He was keen in software l2gw. | 17:25 |
| Sukhdev | yes, he expressed interest, but, never came forward with anything concrete | 17:26 |
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| Sukhdev | #action: Sukhdev to open a bug for OVSDB connection initiation from OVSDB server | 17:27 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 17:27 |
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| Sukhdev | marutikamat: I had discussed with you about the flood list issue | 17:27 |
| marutikamat | Sukhdev, people are facing problems while backporting the fixes | 17:27 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: what is the issue? | 17:28 |
| Sukhdev | armax: is expert in this kinds of issues - I usually bug him when I get stuck :-):-) | 17:28 |
| marutikamat | Our test enginners (Ashish and Alok) are able to ping from bare metal server to the VM first. | 17:28 |
| Sukhdev | but, I can help | 17:28 |
| marutikamat | vikas sent you an email on that. the branch shows as master even if he is trying to commit on kilo/stable. | 17:29 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: after the first ping from VM or adding arp entry solves it | 17:29 |
| marutikamat | they do not ping from VM first. The first ping itself from BM to VM works for them. | 17:29 |
| armax | marutikamat: are you saying that this is a regression? | 17:30 |
| armax | marutikamat: or in other works did the test case ever pass? | 17:30 |
| marutikamat | I was expecting their email reply to you but they missed it out today, | 17:30 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: the best way to do is to go on the review board - open the patch which merged in master - and click on a tab called cherry pick - click on it and rest is easy | 17:30 |
| marutikamat | I will check with them again tomorrow. | 17:30 |
| armax | if so, a good tool to use would be git bisect | 17:30 |
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| marutikamat | thanks to both of you for the suggestion | 17:31 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: I think the best way to go about is to dump the OVSDB contents and paste it - I sent you the paste from my side | 17:31 |
| armax | marutikamat: that’s a handy and quick tutorial http://webchick.net/node/99 | 17:31 |
| marutikamat | Sukhdev: I will request Alok/Ashish to get in touch with you for the ping problem | 17:32 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: I see that HS VTEP publishes the flood list and SW VTEP does not | 17:32 |
| armax | marutikamat: basically ‘bisect’ will help you identify what commit broke the feature | 17:32 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: cool - | 17:32 |
| armax | and then it’s easier to understand what’s going, that assumed that it is a regression | 17:32 |
| marutikamat | armax: thanks | 17:32 |
| Sukhdev | armax: thanks for sharing this tool - I did not know about it | 17:33 |
| armax | Sukhdev: sure thing | 17:34 |
| Sukhdev | As to the bugs - I approved few | 17:34 |
| Sukhdev | I will review more and approve them this week | 17:34 |
| marutikamat | thanks Sukhdev | 17:34 |
| Sukhdev | we are looking good from the bugs point of view | 17:35 |
| Sukhdev | marutikamat: I have exhausted my agenda items | 17:35 |
| Sukhdev | you mentioned you wanted to bring something ? | 17:35 |
| Sukhdev | #topic OpenDiscussion | 17:35 |
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| Sukhdev | Lets hear it | 17:35 |
| marutikamat | I already mentioned above. Additional backlog items | 17:36 |
| Sukhdev | Oh I see - cool | 17:36 |
| marutikamat | I will submit bugs for those | 17:36 |
| Sukhdev | good | 17:36 |
| Sukhdev | anything else? | 17:36 |
| marutikamat | nothing from me | 17:37 |
| Sukhdev | Looks like we are done - | 17:37 |
| Sukhdev | thanks folks | 17:37 |
| marutikamat | thanks both of you | 17:37 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 8 17:38:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2015/networking_l2gw.2015-06-08-17.04.html | 17:38 |
| armax | Sukhdev: I’ll add a roadmap shortly, check it out in a bit | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2015/networking_l2gw.2015-06-08-17.04.txt | 17:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_l2gw/2015/networking_l2gw.2015-06-08-17.04.log.html | 17:38 |
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| Sukhdev | armax: OK | 17:38 |
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