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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 6 04:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 04:00 |
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| krtaylor | anyone here for the third party CI working group meeting? | 04:00 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 04:01 |
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| krtaylor | hey patrickeast | 04:01 |
| kakuma | hi | 04:01 |
| krtaylor | hi kakuma | 04:02 |
| kakuma | hi krtaylor | 04:02 |
| krtaylor | kakuma, I don't recall you joining us before, is this your first working group meeting? | 04:02 |
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| kakuma | yes | 04:03 |
| krtaylor | kakuma, welcome, the 400UTC meetings are usually much less formal | 04:03 |
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| krtaylor | it may have something to do with me being so tired :) | 04:03 |
| kakuma | yes, now it is 13:00 here. | 04:04 |
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| krtaylor | here is the agenda for today, although I don't think we will have a quorum to go through it | 04:05 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#4.2F22.2F15_0400_UTC | 04:05 |
| krtaylor | there is a gerrit upgrade Saturday | 04:06 |
| patrickeast | shouldn’t be any impact for 3rd party ci’s though, right? | 04:06 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, shouldn't be much | 04:07 |
| krtaylor | just a brief outage | 04:07 |
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| patrickeast | i suppose worst case have to update zuul if it does break something | 04:07 |
| krtaylor | kakuma, do you operate a CI system? | 04:07 |
| kakuma | I work in ryu team. | 04:08 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, I wouldnt think so, but yeah | 04:08 |
| krtaylor | kakuma, ryu team? | 04:08 |
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| patrickeast | neutron, right? | 04:09 |
| kakuma | Yes, I operate ryu-ci. | 04:09 |
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| krtaylor | kakuma, are you going to Vancouver? | 04:10 |
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| kakuma | No, but Yamamot will go to Vancouver. | 04:11 |
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| krtaylor | oh, ok | 04:11 |
| krtaylor | well, it doesn't look like the third party CI working group will get it's design session that we proposed | 04:12 |
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| patrickeast | bummer | 04:12 |
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| krtaylor | there is a BoF session instead, and the infra discussions | 04:12 |
| krtaylor | yeah, needless to say I was rather disappointed, it was such a huge success in Paris | 04:13 |
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| krtaylor | but, the BoF was already scheduled, so I think it was deemed sufficient | 04:13 |
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| krtaylor | I put a link in the agenda | 04:14 |
| krtaylor | Stefano Stabellini is running it, but we may just take it over :) | 04:14 |
| patrickeast | haha | 04:14 |
| krtaylor | its good to see all the attention on CI across openstack <proud father moment> | 04:15 |
| krtaylor | even if I am not running a session | 04:16 |
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| patrickeast | yea i’m glad at least one of the CI ones made it in, i saw a few when voting | 04:16 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, yours? | 04:17 |
| krtaylor | and asselin, right? | 04:17 |
| patrickeast | that one didn’t make it : ( | 04:17 |
| krtaylor | NO | 04:18 |
| patrickeast | i think this BoF one is the only one | 04:18 |
| krtaylor | dang | 04:18 |
| patrickeast | there were a couple more from other various vendors too | 04:18 |
| patrickeast | i think most fell short by targeting a specific project | 04:18 |
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| patrickeast | this ones more broad, applies to everyone | 04:18 |
| krtaylor | agreed | 04:19 |
| krtaylor | the overview reads like our mission statement, so I'm looking forward to it :) | 04:19 |
| krtaylor | kakuma, so you may have heard that we have our own repo now | 04:19 |
| krtaylor | #link https://github.com/stackforge/third-party-ci-tools | 04:20 |
| krtaylor | feel free to contribute any helpful scripts or tools you have written, that may help other teams | 04:21 |
| kakuma | Yes, I have heard it. | 04:21 |
| patrickeast | oo that reminds me, i was going to put some nagios checks i cobbled together in there | 04:21 |
| krtaylor | I was going to update the readme to describe an initial directory structure for contributions | 04:22 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, please | 04:22 |
| kakuma | currently I have not some tools comitted. | 04:22 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, all the cool monitoring tools you have, what about the dashboard? | 04:22 |
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| patrickeast | i could put that in there if there is interest | 04:23 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, we are using it, not sure what mods we made, but it works great for us | 04:23 |
| krtaylor | mmedvede got it working for us | 04:23 |
| patrickeast | yea i set it up as a wall display thing (we’ve got some tv’s up around the office) | 04:23 |
| patrickeast | works pretty well for that | 04:24 |
| krtaylor | nice | 04:24 |
| patrickeast | so yea i can move it in there | 04:24 |
| patrickeast | i’ll put up some reviews tomorrow morining to dump some things in | 04:24 |
| patrickeast | morning* | 04:24 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, thanks! | 04:25 |
| krtaylor | kakuma, let me know if you have any questions about any of this | 04:25 |
| krtaylor | kakuma, I'll be happy to help | 04:25 |
| kakuma | Thanks. I have asking about zuul. | 04:25 |
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| kakuma | Can I ask about zuul here? | 04:26 |
| patrickeast | yea definitely | 04:26 |
| krtaylor | sure | 04:26 |
| krtaylor | what's your question? | 04:26 |
| kakuma | Thamks. I'm trying to process a gerrit trigger of cross-repo. | 04:27 |
| kakuma | but zuul on our CI fails when process that. I reported on the StoryBoard about the problem(https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000198). | 04:27 |
| * krtaylor looks | 04:27 | |
| kakuma | On the other hand, can I see examples of configuration or some docs about cross-repo somewhere? | 04:28 |
| patrickeast | it kind of looks like a bug | 04:29 |
| krtaylor | kakuma, thats not something we have seen | 04:29 |
| krtaylor | yes it does look like a bug | 04:29 |
| krtaylor | kakuma, can I ask why you need cross project dependencies ? maybe there is another way to accomplish what you want? | 04:30 |
| kakuma | Some gerrit trigger have cross-repo depends. | 04:32 |
| kakuma | When our CI get it, our ci fails. | 04:32 |
| patrickeast | i think zuul is supposed to handle it correctly, i don’t remember hearing about anything special that needs to be done to configure it | 04:33 |
| kakuma | Do your ci correctly process cross-repo? | 04:34 |
| patrickeast | dunno, i haven’t seen any errors from it, but i’m not sure if there have actually been any in cinder that it has attempted yet | 04:35 |
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| krtaylor | we have not seen failures like this, and we test nova, keystone and a few other projects | 04:36 |
| krtaylor | but that may be a newer version | 04:36 |
| kakuma | I'm tyrying it in neutron. | 04:36 |
| krtaylor | I was looking to see if creating a launchpad bug was the right thing, but it is tracked in storyboard, so, it is in the right place | 04:37 |
| kakuma | What version of zuul do you use. | 04:37 |
| krtaylor | kakuma, that would be a good question to raise in the infra channel, it sounds like a bug | 04:37 |
| krtaylor | kakuma, let me check | 04:38 |
| kakuma | krtaylor, thanks you. | 04:38 |
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| kakuma | Yes I will ask that infra channel. | 04:39 |
| patrickeast | i’ve got Zuul version: 2.0.1.dev374 | 04:39 |
| kakuma | Thanks patrickeast. I will try that version. | 04:40 |
| kakuma | Thank you for your advice. | 04:41 |
| krtaylor | yes, the bug shows 2.0.0.post356? | 04:42 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, did you have anything on your mind you wanted to bring up? | 04:43 |
| kakuma | Yes, I tried 2.0.0.post356. and it did not work. | 04:43 |
| patrickeast | krtaylor: nothin much from me this week | 04:44 |
| patrickeast | starting to set up system for fibre channel testing, but so far its smooth sailing | 04:44 |
| krtaylor | excellent | 04:45 |
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| krtaylor | ok, well, if there is nothing else | 04:48 |
| krtaylor | I guess we can wrap it up a bit early | 04:48 |
| kakuma | are cross-repo and cross-project same function? | 04:49 |
| krtaylor | kakuma, oh, no, I miss-typed | 04:49 |
| kakuma | krtaylor, OK. I see. | 04:50 |
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| krtaylor | thanks everyone, next week will be our last before summit, and the meeting the week of summit will be canceled | 04:55 |
| krtaylor | due to summit | 04:55 |
| krtaylor | so we'll resume after | 04:55 |
| krtaylor | thanks again, see you next week! | 04:56 |
| patrickeast | sounds good | 04:56 |
| patrickeast | cya | 04:56 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 04:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 04:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 6 04:56:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-05-06-04.00.html | 04:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-05-06-04.00.txt | 04:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-05-06-04.00.log.html | 04:56 |
| kakuma | see you | 04:56 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 19:56 |
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| Rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 6 20:00:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: log_wg)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:00 |
| Rockyg | Roll call! | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | jokke_, nkrinner | 20:01 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | bknudson: | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | Am I missing anyone? | 20:02 |
| bknudson | hi | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | eugeniya is not on at least on this channel | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | Hey! | 20:03 |
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| Rockyg | And dhellmann, thanks for showing up. We'll be going for a better time after the summit. | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | #topic log sessions at the summit | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "log sessions at the summit (Meeting topic: log_wg)" | 20:04 | |
| dhellmann | ok, this meeting time isn't terrible for me but if we can find a time that's better for others that would be good, too -- we need more members :-) | 20:04 |
| Rockyg | We have two ops sessions. A general session and a working session | 20:04 |
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| Rockyg | We do not have a dev session, but a conversation with doug leads me to believe we aren't ready for that yet. | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | here's one: https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/764d77baafe13caaad8ff1badabb9b9a#.VUpz_s5hW9Y | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | The ops sessions will get us much closer to that point if we do our jobs. | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | where is the second? | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | 4:30pm Wednesday | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/fbfceb17bc4927136c0aa778d38586d1#.VUp0Rs5hW9Y | 20:06 |
| Rockyg | Thanks | 20:06 |
| Rockyg | I've started the etherpad but we need to flesh it out some. We will use it for both the general and the working session. | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-logging | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | I was trying to edit it yesterday, though and had problems. Might have been my connect to ehterpad.openstack.org, but seemed the site might have been overloaded then | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | Is there anything any of you want specifically addressed and discussed at the summit? | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: that happens once in a while; you have to force the page to reload to make it work again, unfortunately | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. I did that and kept getting an error. Other pages weren't having the problem. That page was in a wierd state, so I figured I'd come back and try today. | 20:10 |
| bknudson | will be interesting to hear from ops if they have any specific complaints | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: hmm, weird | 20:11 |
| Rockyg | If I still have an issue, it's off to openstack-infra to discuss after the meeting. | 20:11 |
| bknudson | e.g., I can't tell what happened when scheduler fails. | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: I'm able to edit the etherpad (I added a link to an oslo.log spec) | 20:11 |
| Rockyg | The three big issues from Paris were: 1) tracing the error back to its true origination | 20:12 |
| bknudson | luckily we made lots of progress on those 3 issues! | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | 2) error messages that were useless (noops, misleading, worse) | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | 3) and now I can't remember. | 20:13 |
| Rockyg | Another one from before the summit from ops folks I know: stuff happens in eventlets that never make it to logs | 20:14 |
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| Rockyg | So, propagating important notifications to logs | 20:14 |
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| Rockyg | Oh, yeah. consistency. Same format, same number of fields. If there is an optional field in the message not used, put a "-" in its place in the message | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | Thank you dhellmann for adding that spec link. that was what I was trying to add yesterday | 20:16 |
| Rockyg | and yeah, bknudson, we've made progress ;-) | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | Actually, we have, thanks to dhellmann and the oslo team | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | We have better docs | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | we have better guidelines for devs | 20:17 |
| bknudson | keystone logs didn't improve... still need the time to work on it. | 20:18 |
| Rockyg | And we have improvements on config and a few other things that ops wanted. | 20:18 |
| Rockyg | 3) global config setting of log format (syslog) | 20:18 |
| Rockyg | 3) is done. | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: the ops session on logging is at the same time as the oslo session on logging, so we should talk to dims and whoever is scheduling the ops track to see if we can move one of them | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/35475d6e34ad1b4c2ffc5a2ff8cc68ed#.VUp3Rc5hW9Y | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | it would be good to have the ops session before ^^ | 20:19 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann: Definitely. And agreed. If we can get actionable items out of the ops working session before the oslo session, that would be great. | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | that ops session is also up against a talk on logging, which is unfortunate: http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/407b15645cef2cfb4248a28a0c96c9fe#.VUp3a85hW9Y | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | we may want to move both of them | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | both the ops session and the oslo session, that is | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | #action connect with fifeld and dims about reschedule of one of the log sessions currently Wednesday at 4:30 | 20:20 |
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| Rockyg | #link http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/407b15645cef2cfb4248a28a0c96c9fe#.VUp3a85hW9Y | 20:21 |
| Rockyg | #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/fbfceb17bc4927136c0aa778d38586d1#.VUp0Rs5hW9Y | 20:22 |
| Rockyg | Ok. For first meeting, I would like to present the specs and/or reviews that have/will make logging better, and docs | 20:23 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann: are you aware of any user docs that talk about logging? | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | Config, admin, etc? | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | I haven't looked for anything like that, but I would expect the ops manual to cover it somewhere? | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | I don't know if they still call the manual "ops guide" or whatever | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | I think there is less that a paragraph somewhere. | 20:25 |
| Rockyg | I think it's config. | 20:25 |
| Rockyg | At least that's what it was like Paris timeframe. | 20:25 |
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| bknudson | keystone logging: http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/keystone-logging.html | 20:26 |
| bknudson | we should be able to have keystone logging docs just point to a general logging config doc that all the others point to | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | I think that's another reason there are so many complaints. Ops has to dig into dev docs or code to find stuff. | 20:26 |
| bknudson | http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/section_manage-logs.html | 20:27 |
| bknudson | there's the compute one... nice! | 20:27 |
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| Rockyg | I would like to get ops volunteers to document what they do and have dev review the results. And yeah, bknudson, that's much better. | 20:28 |
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| Rockyg | I think a target for Liberty is to have a chapter on log, configuring, managing, etc that is for a full stack | 20:30 |
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| Rockyg | I think that is an attainable goal. | 20:30 |
| jokke_ | yeap | 20:30 |
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| Rockyg | So, uh, topic drift. do we have anything else for summit planning? | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | #topic general discusson | 20:32 |
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| Rockyg | I am thinking that a good chunk of the dissatisfaction with logging is lack of understanding of the underlying python log stuff along with a lack of specific documentation of what oslo.log adds/modifies. | 20:34 |
| Rockyg | The more I dig and learn about it, the more I see that the naive approach to the logs makes managing them much more difficult for ops. | 20:35 |
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| jokke_ | Looking the logs, it's just not that ... lots of te logging we do is for developers not for ops. What we log, the way we log it etc. | 20:35 |
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| Rockyg | jokke_: That's also very true. We need to educate developers of how large systems use logs and what they expect from them | 20:36 |
| Rockyg | So at a minimum, better docs on both sides | 20:36 |
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| jokke_ | having that would be good start | 20:37 |
| * dims checks in | 20:37 | |
| jokke_ | then having people actually reading those docs and acting by that would be awesome ;) | 20:37 |
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| Rockyg | Hey dims, we have a summit scheduling conflict | 20:38 |
| Rockyg | the ops log working session and the oslo.log session are at the same time | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | dims: during the 4:30 period on wed | 20:39 |
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| Rockyg | we really need the ops session to happen before oslo.log session | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | we have an oslo logging session, an ops logging session, and a conference talk on logging | 20:39 |
| dims | dhellmann: ack, will try to move oslo.log | 20:39 |
| dims | to thu | 20:39 |
| Rockyg | Thanks, dims | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | dims: welcome to summit scheduling :-) | 20:40 |
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| Rockyg | folks, do you think we could get a youtube talk on good logging algorithms (when to log) and message style? Would that help for developers? | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | we should probably write down what we would want to say, first | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | Definitely. But if it would help, we could spend a meeting on planning the talk. Either at the summit, or after. | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | ok. I'm not sure if it would be useful or not, so I'll leave that up to others | 20:45 |
| Rockyg | Agreed. If we could get an ATC who is also ops to do it, that might help. Something to think about. | 20:46 |
| Rockyg | Anything else? | 20:46 |
| Rockyg | One thing I was thinking about, after looking at the og files generated from a tempest run: I want to start a discussion with ops as to whether consolidating some of the logs through a collector might be something they would like | 20:48 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: care to elaborate a bit? | 20:48 |
| Rockyg | So, a description of how to. From my ops experience, getting all the nova logs (api, etc) into a single log would at least put all of them in one single file and one place for looking for nova issues | 20:50 |
| Rockyg | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XTncfK_droY8E-Uy2icVuU-z9ya38ZBK_ZIRvGfPOXc/edit#gid=0 | 20:50 |
| Rockyg | is my start on listing all the files and their types. Sorry, bknudson, keystone logs aren't in there yet because I haven't gotten to the apache logs | 20:51 |
| jokke_ | in my experience / by my knowledge OS is impossible to run without something like that already in place ;) | 20:51 |
| Rockyg | for instance, nova has: api, cond, cpu, crt, obj, sch, agt logs all separate | 20:52 |
| jokke_ | I'd be very surprised if someone ran production without having some kind of centralized logging where they pull all that together | 20:52 |
| Rockyg | Wow. major freenode delay1 | 20:52 |
| Rockyg | right now, they use logstash or splunk to pull them together. but, if they were already more consolidated, setup would be a lot easier. And it might make life easier for smaller cloud installations. | 20:53 |
| Rockyg | All the logs and their locations should also be documented in the various project chapters for the amin guides | 20:54 |
| bknudson | you can configure the logs to go anywhere | 20:55 |
| jokke_ | do you mean something like instructions how to set all services logging to syslog and managing the split to files from there? | 20:55 |
| Rockyg | bknudson: yes, but you can also configure them to write related logs to a single "local" log file first. | 20:55 |
| Rockyg | jokke_ bknudson: more like have oslo.log send all nova.xxx files to /etc/logs/nova.syslog. then the thirdparty aggregator only has to grab one nova log (well, likely a couple because of other types of logs you'd want from that system) from each nova instance | 20:57 |
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| Rockyg | right now, nova.conductor messages go to nova-cond and nova.api messages go to nova-api. Why wouldn't you want the api messages in the same file as the conductor messages? They are both part of the nova "system?" | 20:59 |
| jokke_ | doubt anyone wants to have their logs in /etc/ but I see your point ;) | 20:59 |
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| Rockyg | sorry :-( but, yeah. I want to discuss this with ops, first, but if a slightly modified default setup for the files themselves make sense, we can do that with either a sample config file, or .... | 21:00 |
| Rockyg | /var/logs ...that better? | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | having multiple processes write to the same file will introduce race conditions and corrupt the logs | 21:01 |
| jokke_ | yup | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | that's why we write to separate files, and deployers can use something like syslog if they want a single file | 21:01 |
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| Rockyg | dhellmann: if we use the collector and parent setup from python.log, modelled on syslog? | 21:01 |
| jokke_ | thus you need something like the syslog if you want to have them all in one | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: then that's another service we have to maintain, instead of using one that already exists | 21:02 |
| Rockyg | I think it's already in python.log | 21:02 |
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| Rockyg | I will look more closely and see what I find. I thinkit's the syslog handler or socket handler. | 21:05 |
| Rockyg | But, it is TIME. | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: ok, I'm not sure what you mean but I'll look for it too | 21:05 |
| Rockyg | #endmeeting | 21:05 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-05-06-20.00.html | 21:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-05-06-20.00.txt | 21:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-05-06-20.00.log.html | 21:05 |
| jokke_ | thanks ... and good catch with the overlapping sessions | 21:05 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann: I've been reading through the python log tutorials and it's in the advanced section.... | 21:06 |
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| Rockyg | They do do a hierarchical config file to define parent loggers and a single collector | 21:06 |
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| Rockyg | https://docs.python.org/2/howto/logging-cookbook.html#logging-cookbook logging i multiple modules | 21:07 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: "modules" in python are part of a single process | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | so that's different parts of the same program logging to the same place, which is what we do now | 21:08 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. I'm getting that. So, might still need syslog handler. I'll keep reading. and working on that spec. I'm digging in a lot more, but everybody wants everything yesterday :-) | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 21:09 |
| Rockyg | multiple processes to single file currently doable by using socket handlers. Blech! | 21:12 |
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