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kragniznikhil_k: around for meeting?13:06
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kragnizignore that, utc is hard13:07
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lakshmiSkragniz: i was also waiting for the meeting :( need to update my outlook calendar13:13
krykowski_you are not alone guys, same here!13:18
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nikhil_kCourtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, esheffield, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa14:00
nikhil_k#startmeeting Glance14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr  9 14:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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nikhil_k#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda14:00
flaper87o/14:00
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nikhil_kcool, looks like a decent turn out for a small agenda14:01
nikhil_kA couple of things before we start14:01
* flaper87 won't be able to put much attention to the meeting today. Helping out in a workshop right now14:01
stevelleo/14:02
nikhil_kI would like to encourage everyone to keep this meeting small as I understand that many folks have been busy with fixing things in their cloud at this phase of the cycle.14:02
jokke_o/14:02
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nikhil_kWe are closing in on RCs14:02
lakshmiSo/14:02
nikhil_kThough, I would be happy to chat and address any concerns after the meeting14:02
rosmaita\o14:02
nikhil_kLet's get started14:02
nikhil_k#topic RC plans14:03
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nikhil_k#link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/kilo-rc114:04
nikhil_kI had a chat with ttx and looks like the important bugs tagged for RC1 are fixed14:04
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nikhil_kI've asked this one to be pushed to RC2 : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/143423714:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1434237 in Glance "glance-manage db_export_metadefs fails with NoSuchColumnError" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ashish (ashish-jain14)14:04
nikhil_kAlthough, the  idea is that we will not have RC2 if things are stable14:05
nikhil_kwe do however, need to address any bugs that are found while testing the RC1 tarball so I have encouraged him to consider RC2 possibility quite seriously14:06
nikhil_kRC1 may be tagged as early as today or as late as mid-next week14:06
nikhil_kAny concerns/questions?14:07
mclarennope14:07
ajayaanewbie question, How is the RC1 testing done?14:07
ajayaatempest on gate only?14:08
nikhil_kThe intent is that people will test them in thier environment14:08
nikhil_kNot all things are covered (can be covered) in tempest14:08
ajayaanikhil_k, agreed! people file bugs in launchpad tagged with RC1?14:09
nikhil_kSo, you download the tarball , deploy it and test it with tempest and other tests (including manual functional test) especially negative tests14:09
nikhil_kajayaa: No, you file a bug and bring to bug supervisor's attention to get it tagged14:10
nikhil_kthen ttx and I will have to discuss the possibility14:10
ajayaacool. Thanks for the clarification.14:10
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nikhil_kbug supervisors can be found at : https://launchpad.net/~glance-bugs14:10
nikhil_k#link https://launchpad.net/~glance-bugs14:10
nikhil_kMoving on.14:11
nikhil_k#topic Kilo review priority, blockers14:11
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nikhil_k#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential14:11
nikhil_kThat should be our focus right now. Plus any Critical/High bugs filed in the near future.14:12
nikhil_kI would encourage everyone to start identifying anything that we need to consider for RC214:12
nikhil_kPlease try to review High priority bugs that are pending review soon and let's start removing them from the list if they do not look to make it in Kilo14:13
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nikhil_kAny concerns/questions?14:14
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kragnizall sounds good14:14
nikhil_kOne more thing that everyone should be aware about:14:14
nikhil_k#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171227/14:14
nikhil_kIt opens Liberty development. We can do so after Kilo looks all set.14:15
nikhil_kI would like to take vote from everyone in the next meeting for the same.14:15
nikhil_kThanks.14:15
nikhil_kMoving on.14:16
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nikhil_k#topic Pending reviews14:16
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nikhil_khttps://review.openstack.org/16690914:16
nikhil_kThat's tagged for Kilo. Lets try to sort it out soon.14:17
nikhil_kThat's it from my end.14:17
nikhil_kLooks like no one has reviews to bring up today?14:18
ajayaaThere is merge conflict on the patch and last patch-set landed on 27th March.14:18
ajayaaHow can the reviewers help in this situation?14:18
nikhil_kyep, it also has a -114:18
nikhil_kI was trying to gauge if we should omit it now and fix in L114:19
ativelkovIt looks quite trivial to fix that -1, but I am not sure about the merge conflict14:19
nikhil_kcool14:20
nikhil_k#topic Open Discussion14:20
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nikhil_kEveryone excited about Vancouver?14:21
ajayaaWe have been pushing for NoSql backend for glance based on Cassandra for sometime now.14:21
ajayaaBut there are some apis which kind of assume that the backend is a relational DB.14:21
ajayaaI have proposed a session around this in etherpad.14:22
ajayaaOne example of such api would be arbitrary sort key in list images api.14:22
mfedosinajayaa, yeah, we need to discuss it there14:22
kragnizajayaa: what does the mongodb backend do in those cases?14:22
ajayaakragniz, If there is a mongodb backend for glance, that's news for me.14:23
ajayaa:)14:23
nikhil_kok, we do not have nosql support yet14:23
ajayaaThe basic idea is, if your data is distributed among many nodes then it very expensive do sorting.14:24
nikhil_kAlso, the db code needs a major refactoring to make this happen. It might affect some queries that I'm hesitent about.14:24
nikhil_kThere's more feedback but I will try to bring it up at the discussion.14:24
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ajayaafeedback from your side, nikhil_k?14:25
ativelkovajayaa: I have some experience with cassandra and your proposal seems very exciting to me. However, it seems hard to me to build a proper abstraction layer which will make these backends interchangeable14:25
kragnizajayaa: duh - I should have looked at what gridfs actually was14:25
nikhil_kajayaa: thanks for your proposal though. Yes, on feedback.14:25
ajayaanikhil_k, looking forward to the summit.14:26
mclarenajayaa: are you involved with the keystone effort on this?14:26
mclaren(I'm under the impression this was being discussed for keystone)14:26
ajayaamclaren, We are the ones who have proposed Cassandra backend for Keystone.14:26
ajayaaWe have a working POC for Keystone with Cassandra which seamlessly works across regions.14:27
mclarenok. Personally I'd be interested to see how that goes. We could then make a more informed decision around if it makes sense  for glance14:27
ajayaa(regions in s small lab setup though* :))14:27
nikhil_kbased on kragniz's comment I'm wondering what the backend proposal is14:27
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ajayaaI didn't understand how gridfs came into picture!14:28
mclarenI think we need to be careful to not take on too much for one cycle also14:28
nikhil_kok14:28
kragnizajayaa: gridfs is an abstraction on top on mongodb14:29
nikhil_kAlright, seems like there is plenty food for thought!14:29
ajayaakragniz, We don't like mongodb too much the reason being the differentiation of config servers and normal server.14:29
ajayaaTo me personally, C*(Cassandra) is a truly distributed fault tolerant db.14:30
ajayaaokay, We can have this discussion somewhere else or at the summit perhaps.14:30
mclarensummit sounds good14:30
nikhil_kajayaa: Yes, that would be great. With some examples to shared would help..14:30
nikhil_kshare*14:30
kragnizajayaa: I'm arguing for mongodb! I don't know very much about either14:31
kragnizsummit would be good14:31
nikhil_kAnything else?14:31
jokke_summit sounds good, if you have anything to share before (that perhaps would help us to get up to speed in the summit) please send any refs to the mailing list14:31
rosmaita+1 summit discussion14:31
nikhil_k== jokke_14:31
ajayaajokke_, sure.14:31
jokke_one more thing14:32
jokke_how does bug day sound, lets say RC1 + 3 working days? when ever that RC1 gets tagged14:32
nikhil_k+114:33
nikhil_kIf nothing more..14:34
jokke_I think we would have anything Major (like totally rendering glance unusable) by that and well enough time to evaluate the likelyhood of us needing rc214:34
kragnizjokke_: sounds good14:34
nikhil_kagreed14:34
jokke_let's kick e-mail to the ML advertising the day when we get the tag14:35
nikhil_kThanks all!14:35
jokke_thanks14:35
mclarenthx14:35
nikhil_k#endmeeting14:35
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b3rnard0woah it's that time again15:59
cloudnullhello15:59
b3rnard0#startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr  9 16:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is b3rnard0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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b3rnard0#chair cloudnull16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: b3rnard0 cloudnull16:00
b3rnard0#topic Agenda & rollcall16:00
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b3rnard0#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting16:00
cloudnullo/16:01
b3rnard0presente16:01
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b3rnard0i didn't see any action items from last week. anything we want to discuss action items wise?16:03
BjoernTI guess one action item would be starting the blueprint around EC2 and S3 api support  in juno16:04
cloudnullBjoernT do you have one ready for review ?16:05
odyssey4meuh BjoernT I'm confused - juno already has s3/ec2 api support as good as it gets16:05
BjoernTs3 middleware is missing in osad16:05
cloudnullBjoernT are you talking about swift3?16:05
BjoernTec2 works if we fix keystone_es2_url16:05
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BjoernTright swift316:05
cloudnullIE https://github.com/stackforge/swift316:06
odyssey4mehmm, so for kilo+ we'd probably have to include s3/ec2 support from outside the standard swift/nova trees - that's a whole different ball-game16:07
odyssey4medoable if the resource allocation is worth the effort16:08
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b3rnard0let's get through the rest of the agenda before we go down this rabbit hole16:09
BjoernTyes16:09
b3rnard0cloudnull: do we want to talk blueprints?16:10
cloudnullsure16:10
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b3rnard0#topic Blueprints16:10
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b3rnard0#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/implement-ceilometer16:11
cloudnullthe one in progress is for ceilometer. alex is gone for the week so he's not here to talk about progress on that at this time.16:11
cloudnullodyssey4me: we also have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168976/16:11
odyssey4meany chance we can scratch the details from launchpad?16:11
odyssey4meleave the detail in the spec and only the summary in launchpad16:12
cloudnullwhats that ?16:13
odyssey4methe ceilometer blueprint - it has all the details in both launchpad and the submitted spec16:13
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odyssey4meit's just very verbose16:13
odyssey4meno matter - re: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/tunable-openstack-configuration16:13
cloudnull ah yes we can pair that down16:14
cloudnullhttp://docs-draft.openstack.org/76/168976/1/check/gate-os-ansible-deployment-specs-docs/845ff17//doc/build/html/specs/kilo/tunable-openstack-configuration.html16:15
odyssey4meI have implemented a PoC in a review which seems to have disappeared which is a WIP, but illustrates the basic point and is covered in the complementary spec in https://review.openstack.org/16897616:16
odyssey4mecloudnull fed back that the dict merge approach taken is less friendly, predictable and maintainable than the approach in https://review.openstack.org/16810416:17
odyssey4meI have yet to look into that in detail. My time's focused elsewhere and until I'm done with kilo-related commitments this will stall.16:18
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odyssey4meah, there's the WIP (second page of reviews) :o https://review.openstack.org/16568316:18
cloudnullok so lets table this for now.16:19
odyssey4meI'm game for the alternative method, it's just a matter of time and priority right now.16:19
odyssey4meif someone wants to do the analysis and patch the spec and do a test review then that'd be great.16:19
odyssey4meI think we all agree on the objective, it's only the method in question.16:20
cloudnullso does anyone here have cycles and want to run with that for now?16:21
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cloudnullok then.16:22
cloudnull:)16:22
cloudnullso on the topic of blueprints BjoernT : what say you?16:22
BjoernTnah, no time, lol16:23
odyssey4meminimal-kilo should probably be changed to implemented16:23
cloudnullspeak now or forever hold your piece.16:24
Sam-I-Amwoof16:24
odyssey4meglance, heat, horizon kilofication should be superceded by master-kilofication?16:24
cloudnullyes they should16:24
odyssey4meit would seem to me that build-facts-archive and dynamic-inventory-lib could dovetail nicely16:25
odyssey4meboth, however, are a stretch in terms of the osad manifesto - which we have yet to get into the details of16:26
cloudnullyes. that could probably go hand in hand16:26
odyssey4meI think both are useful to deployers, but they stray from the idea of deploying openstack and go more into the realm of running ansible.16:27
cloudnullthis is true, however in the case of inventory i think that is essential to OSAD. and presently our inventory system works but it could be a whole lot better16:28
cloudnullbut itll be a bit of a balance16:28
odyssey4mecloudnull I agree - the inventory library is on the perimeter and would add much value if we did that.16:29
odyssey4mestoring an inventory of what's out there, however, seems like a better fit for a deployer's CMDB which the library can consume16:30
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cloudnull+116:31
cloudnullso barring anything else on bp's b3rnard0  lets move on16:33
b3rnard0next up16:33
b3rnard0#topic Milestones16:33
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b3rnard0anything specific there to be discussed?16:33
b3rnard0i know we still have 3 bugs outstanding for 10.1.316:34
cloudnullwe're actively working on kilo16:34
odyssey4meb3rnard0 which bugs?16:34
b3rnard0#link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/10.1.316:35
cloudnullandymccr did the work for the glance / swift chunking https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/143664716:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1436647 in openstack-ansible trunk "Make chunk size configurable for swift-backed glance" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Andy McCrae (andrew-mccrae)16:35
cloudnulland thats merged.16:35
odyssey4meyup16:35
b3rnard0how about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/143811816:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1438118 in openstack-ansible juno "some v10 Juno playbooks containing a wrong host pattern" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Serge van Ginderachter (svg)16:36
odyssey4mealso merged16:36
cloudnullsvg worked on that and its merged.16:37
b3rnard0last one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/143087216:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1430872 in openstack-ansible trunk "Add token dhcp_domain to dhcp_agent.ini template" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Jesse Pretorius (jesse-pretorius)16:37
b3rnard0the listed status in the list is throwing me off :-P16:37
odyssey4meok, that's on me - I haven't had a chance to actively work on it16:37
b3rnard0is that a hard requirement for 10.1.3 or can we push out to 10.1.416:38
odyssey4meI took a look a day or two ago and realised that it would involve a new template and a bit more than a simple nova.conf entry, so I pushed it out.16:38
odyssey4meso yes, good question b3rnard016:38
cloudnulli think it should be a requirement for 10.1.3 its been an ask for a while now.16:39
cloudnulllooking at you BjoernT16:39
odyssey4meit's not hard work, but it introduces a fair change to how dnsmasq is used and could put risk into the 10.1.3 release16:39
b3rnard0if we've committed to doing a 10.1.3 release tomorrow, is that still doable or can we get another volunteer, err, active contributor16:39
odyssey4meI would recommend shifting it with my apologies - I can prep the change, but we should hold it until after 10.1.316:40
cloudnullok. lets push it16:40
Sam-I-Ampush it real good?16:40
BjoernTwe patch it already manually so 10.1.3 is good16:40
cloudnulldone.16:40
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cloudnullso b3rnard0  moving on16:42
b3rnard0okie dokie, anything else milestones wise or should we go to open discussion16:43
cloudnull#topic Open discussion16:43
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BjoernThttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/144223916:43
openstackLaunchpad bug 1442239 in openstack-ansible "Commit c5d488059d9407f1b9b96552159ffc298c8dc547 is invalidating sshd_config" [Undecided,New]16:43
b3rnard0BjoernT: we have a couple of items on the agenda for open discussion. cloudnull, any of those that need to be discussed?16:44
BjoernTok16:44
odyssey4mewow, I thought that was long gone - we had a bug about that ages ago16:44
cloudnull* Do we have defined criteria for core team members? This would be useful to discuss prior to bringing more in. (palendae)16:45
b3rnard0i believe palendae is at a conference16:45
cloudnulltrue, but to address this we should be using https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Approved/CoreDevProcess16:46
odyssey4mecloudnull I believe we've discussed that, although perhaps something should be added to the contributing file in the repo to clarify for the future?16:46
cloudnullas for Reach agreement regarding osprofiler middleware across openstack services during Kilofication. Available: Yes/no and config strategy? (stevelle) - i think the decision was itll be available but disabled.16:47
cloudnullodyssey4me maybe we add a point about that16:47
cloudnulland the last one Clarify the meaning of the Triaged status and decide on how we are going to use that status. [1] - (d34dh0r53)16:47
cloudnulld34dh0r53 ^16:47
d34dh0r53ahh, didn't realize that was still on the agenda.16:48
odyssey4med34dh0r53 you cannot escape the agenda16:49
d34dh0r53https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bugs#Status according to this the triaged status should be used when "The bug comments contain a full analysis on how to properly fix the issue" which we are not really doing.  Just want clarification as to how we're using the Triaged status16:50
odyssey4meI'm +1 on that definition.16:50
d34dh0r53as am I16:51
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cloudnull+116:51
cloudnullso motion carries .16:51
d34dh0r53so in our triage meeting we will set bugs to confirmed once they've had the once over (unless of course it contains the appropriate information)16:51
cloudnullwe should update the contributing with a brub on states16:51
b3rnard0#info d34dh0r53: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bugs#Status according to this the triaged status should be used when "The bug comments contain a full analysis on how to properly fix the issue" which we are not really doing.  Just want clarification as to how we're using the Triaged status16:52
andymccryeh we should be confirming/invalidating bugs in triage meeting, not necessarily resolving them.16:52
andymccrand prioritizing16:52
d34dh0r53agreed16:52
cloudnullso BjoernT back to your bug(s).16:52
BjoernTi just have this shiny new one https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/144223916:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1442239 in openstack-ansible "Commit c5d488059d9407f1b9b96552159ffc298c8dc547 is invalidating sshd_config" [Undecided,New]16:53
odyssey4mecloudnull agreed that we should add a blurb on the launchpad states and what they mean to us16:54
odyssey4mewe should also define the purpose of the two community meetings - it would help to focus them16:54
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cloudnullodyssey4me +116:55
odyssey4meon to that bug, this is kinda a duplicate of stuff we encountered ages back, eg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1404343 and perhaps it's a duplication of https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/141662616:55
openstackLaunchpad bug 1404343 in openstack-ansible trunk "External CI failures due to SSH issues" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Hugh Saunders (hughsaunders)16:55
openstackLaunchpad bug 1416626 in openstack-ansible trunk "invalid sshd_config entry after ssh_config.yml task runs" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Grinberg (miguelgrinberg)16:55
odyssey4meit may be a regression which we need to take care of, but it seems to me that https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1442239 is a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/141662616:56
openstackLaunchpad bug 1442239 in openstack-ansible "Commit c5d488059d9407f1b9b96552159ffc298c8dc547 is invalidating sshd_config" [Undecided,New]16:56
openstackLaunchpad bug 1416626 in openstack-ansible trunk "invalid sshd_config entry after ssh_config.yml task runs" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Grinberg (miguelgrinberg)16:56
BjoernT1404343 is the cause for 1416626 so not duplicate imho16:57
andymccr1416626 seems like the same thing.16:58
andymccrso its a bug in the ansible module16:58
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odyssey4meas I recall, prior to the master refactor we actually did this in a patch - so we have a regression and need to bring if forward16:59
cloudnullwe are out of time. lets take this convo back to the channel and or the ML.17:00
BjoernTandymccr: yes your are right17:00
cloudnullthanks everyone17:00
cloudnull#endmeeting17:00
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b3rnard0thanks all17:00
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