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| pc_m | hi | 15:00 |
| matrohon | hi | 15:01 |
| pc_m | matrohon: hi. Will give a few mins for people to get on, after the Neutron meeting. | 15:01 |
| matrohon | pc_m : ok | 15:01 |
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| pc_m | Well, lets get started... | 15:04 |
| pc_m | #startmeeting vpnaas | 15:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 27 15:05:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pc_m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 15:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vpnaas' | 15:05 |
| pc_m | #topic Announcements | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 15:05 | |
| pc_m | K-2 is Feb 5th. | 15:05 |
| pc_m | The VPNaaS repo didn't have a functional gate running yet. | 15:06 |
| pc_m | There is a bug #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1412770 for this. | 15:06 |
| pc_m | and a review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148616 | 15:07 |
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| matrohon | pc_m : so you copied hook script from neutron | 15:07 |
| pc_m | Plan is to get the functional gate running as experimental, then test commit, then get check working (non-voting), and finally have gate and check running voting. | 15:08 |
| pc_m | matrohon: Not yet. | 15:08 |
| matrohon | ok | 15:08 |
| pc_m | Will get this working and reviewed. Then, we can submit a functional test and run it using experimental. | 15:08 |
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| pc_m | Once the test works, we can put it into check as non-voting and have it run for a while. | 15:09 |
| pc_m | I need to talk to Maru as to timing of when the gate hook and post test hook need to be in there. I think it is later. | 15:10 |
| pc_m | In any case, we need to have this commit merged, to be able to do neutron-vpnaas repo changes. | 15:10 |
| matrohon | Do you think it's better to have ipsec connectivity test with a functional test or with a tempest test? | 15:11 |
| pc_m | matrohon: There's a few things there... | 15:11 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: First, they are moving Tempest tests in-tree, so eventually, we'll have tests in the repo. | 15:12 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: Second, we might be able to run the connectivity test as a functional test. Not sure yet. | 15:13 |
| pc_m | matrohon: I do have a way to do a connection test with one VM and two routers. | 15:13 |
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| matrohon | you mean : each project will host its tempest test? | 15:13 |
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| pc_m | As I understand, it'll be two phases. One to move tempest into Neutron tree. Then, each adv svc repo can move the tests to their own repo. | 15:14 |
| pc_m | For VPN, we have API tests only in Tempest. | 15:14 |
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| pc_m | So, it's going to be a while, as we have to wait for Tempest migration to in-tree (Maru is working on). | 15:15 |
| matrohon | pc_m : for the second, I think we should be able to run your single VM scenario with fullstack duntional tests | 15:15 |
| matrohon | pc_m : ok, no hurry | 15:15 |
| pc_m | Also, Maru wanted to see basic functional tests, before doing any high level scenario type tests. | 15:16 |
| pc_m | His point was that, if there is a failure, it is really hard to debug, if all you have is high level test. | 15:16 |
| pc_m | So, encouragement for us to create some lower level functional tests. | 15:17 |
| pc_m | matrohon: Yeah, I'm thinking it may work. | 15:17 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: Only issue is that it will now be in-tree (whether Tempest or functional) and as such, would require a Neutron spec and that will have to be L release. | 15:17 |
| pc_m | (to add a scenario test) | 15:18 |
| pc_m | Unless, we can get approval to do as a bug. Didn't get a clarification on that yet. | 15:18 |
| matrohon | pc_m : ok | 15:19 |
| pc_m | #action pc_m to check with Kyle about scenario tests and what we need to do (spec?) | 15:19 |
| matrohon | pc_m : BTW : does the vpnaas project can accept its own specs, independently from neutron | 15:20 |
| pc_m | In any case, we should start thinking about what functional tests we can create to have coverage. | 15:20 |
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| pc_m | matrohon: No. All the specs are done under the Neutron project (neutron-specs). That goes for all *aaS projects. | 15:20 |
| matrohon | pc_m : ok | 15:21 |
| pc_m | Any other announcements. | 15:21 |
| pc_m | ? | 15:21 |
| mhanif | On the edge VPN | 15:22 |
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| pc_m | I did see several VPN reviews abandoned due to inactivity. So, if you have one, you'll need to ressurrect it. | 15:22 |
| pc_m | mhanif: go ahead | 15:22 |
| mhanif | We now have the stackforge project setup. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/projects/stackforge/networking-edge-vpn | 15:23 |
| mhanif | I will be uploading the spec this week and we can then iterate over it | 15:23 |
| pc_m | mhanif: cool | 15:23 |
| matrohon | mhanif : great | 15:24 |
| * pc_m will have to come up to speed on Edge VPN | 15:24 | |
| pc_m | any other announcements? | 15:24 |
| pc_m | p.s. feel free to add them (or agenda items) on the Wiki page: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VPNaaS | 15:25 |
| pc_m | #topic Bugs | 15:25 |
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| pc_m | Here's the current list: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-vpnaas,n,z | 15:25 |
| pc_m | Please help out on reviews. Every +1 helps :) | 15:25 |
| pc_m | Are there any that we should go over now? | 15:26 |
| * pc_m I haven't made another pass through them today yet... | 15:26 | |
| pc_m | We don't have too much time for K-2 | 15:27 |
| matrohon | feleouet answered about netns_wrapper on the ML | 15:27 |
| matrohon | actually he is a coleague and he is the guy who first proposed this implementation | 15:27 |
| pc_m | matrohon: Do you have a link handy of the thread, so we can add here? | 15:28 |
| matrohon | It has been merged, but if you have any other question, ping him directly | 15:28 |
| * matrohon looking | 15:28 | |
| pc_m | matrohon: IIRC, we just went with the existing implementation, rather than trying to check kernel version and rely on mount namespace. | 15:29 |
| matrohon | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/055176.html | 15:29 |
| pc_m | matrohon: Thanks! | 15:30 |
| pc_m | Any other bugs to discuss or any on the list that need discussion? | 15:31 |
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| pc_m | #topic Open Discussion | 15:33 |
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| pc_m | Please look over the bugs we have, and provide your comments. | 15:33 |
| pc_m | If you have functional test ideas, lets write them up. | 15:34 |
| pc_m | I was thinking of creating a bug for OpenSwan functional test, that does similar to what was done for StrongSwan, to use as a "test" commit for the functional check tests, once it merges. | 15:35 |
| matrohon | good idea | 15:35 |
| pc_m | Just something basic that checks that the config files are created. | 15:35 |
| pc_m | Not sure how much further we should go with that test... check that process is running, query status of process? | 15:36 |
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| matrohon | I don't know how far other functional test goes... | 15:37 |
| pc_m | Me neither. I know they're are starting to add to tests for L3 and such. | 15:38 |
| pc_m | Maybe have to discuss with Maru and others to see what we can check. Nothing really happens until connection create time. | 15:38 |
| pc_m | Any thing else anyone wants to bring up? If not, I'll get ready to go outside and shovel :( | 15:39 |
| matrohon | mhanif : what kind of update do you want to provide to your spec? | 15:39 |
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| mhanif | matrohon: Review of the spec initially | 15:40 |
| mhanif | We have the implementation ready as well which we can share | 15:40 |
| matrohon | mhanif : you will upload it in your stackforge, no? | 15:41 |
| pc_m | mhanif: Can you include the link for the spec review here? | 15:41 |
| mhanif | matrohon: Initial updates will be based on the feedback we have received so far | 15:41 |
| matrohon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136929/4/specs/kilo/edge-vpn.rst | 15:41 |
| pc_m | matrohon: Thanks! | 15:41 |
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| mhanif | pc_m: Here you go #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136929 | 15:42 |
| mhanif | matrohon: Yes, I will upload the spec to stackforge | 15:43 |
| mhanif | As I mentioned, lets iterate on the spec int he stackforge | 15:44 |
| pc_m | mhanif: Did you get clarification by what Salvatore meant by making this an extension project? | 15:45 |
| mhanif | The purpose is to get people to converge on how to orchestrate edge VPN in Openstack and how to bridge Neutron networks to edge VPN | 15:46 |
| pc_m | Does it mean Neutron drivers won't review? | 15:46 |
| mhanif | pc_m: I believe he meant to carry this out in the stackforge project | 15:46 |
| matrohon | mhanif : don't you like the spec of ijw, to be able to have an edge vpn-id manage inside a table of vpnaas, and that id would be referenced for any implementation based proposed in a stackforge project? | 15:46 |
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| mhanif | pc_m: Any one can review the stackforge project, no? | 15:48 |
| mhanif | matrohon: I have not seen that stackforge project. Do you have a link? | 15:49 |
| pc_m | mhanif: Yeah I guess. So are they saying to put the spec in stackforge and review and develop outside of neutron? | 15:49 |
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| pc_m | How does it end up getting hooked in? | 15:49 |
| mhanif | pc_m. Yes, exactly! | 15:49 |
| matrohon | mhanif : I don't think there will be any stackforge project for the corresponding spec : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136555/2/specs/kilo/cloud-edge-networks.rst | 15:50 |
| pc_m | mhanif: Wondering how it is then integrated into Neutron. | 15:50 |
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| mhanif | pc_m: Much like how l2gateway is being developed outside and will later on (depending upon how it turns out) will be included | 15:50 |
| * pc_m wishes I was familiar with what was done for L2 gateway :) | 15:51 | |
| matrohon | but I think this kind of spec should be merged in vpnaas and merged as link between edge vpn and stackforge project which manage connection details of those edge vpn | 15:51 |
| mhanif | pc_m: :-) | 15:52 |
| pc_m | #action pc_m get clarification (from kyle?) on how features, like Edge VPN will be handled w.r.t Neutron | 15:52 |
| pc_m | matrohon: that seems to make sense to me. | 15:53 |
| mhanif | pc_m: Thanks a lot for taking the action item! | 15:53 |
| pc_m | I'll chat with Kyle and report back next week. I'm curious as to how we | 15:53 |
| pc_m | will handle integration of features that are developed outside. | 15:54 |
| matrohon | the only main part that I dislike in ijw's spec is that tenant cannot attach its networks to its edge vpns dynamically | 15:54 |
| pc_m | matrohon: Well, it's abandoned... :) | 15:55 |
| mhanif | matrohon: I have given my feedback on it. If you go over it, you will see that there are quite a few details missing | 15:56 |
| matrohon | pc_m : mainly because no consensus has been found | 15:56 |
| pc_m | matrohon: I agree :) | 15:56 |
| matrohon | mhanif : I totally agree with the comment you gave | 15:56 |
| pc_m | So there are two competing specs, one pushed out to stackforge, and one without consensus. | 15:57 |
| pc_m | matrohon: mhanif: Either of you care to try to push for resolution? | 15:58 |
| matrohon | 3 because we are working on this abandonned spec : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93329/ | 15:58 |
| matrohon | :) | 15:58 |
| pc_m | s/push for/work cooperatively to obtain/ | 15:58 |
| matrohon | pc_m : of course we'll do, but currently I think stackforge projects make sense to mature our solutions | 16:00 |
| pc_m | #action need resolution on several of the VPN features. | 16:00 |
| pc_m | matrohon: Yeah just need to hook things in. | 16:00 |
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| pc_m | We're out of time... thanks!!!! | 16:00 |
| pc_m | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 27 16:00:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| matrohon | thanks pc_m | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-01-27-15.05.html | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-01-27-15.05.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-01-27-15.05.log.html | 16:00 |
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| dougwig | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 27 16:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| pc_m | continue on ML/IRC, if you need. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 16:01 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 16:01 |
| dougwig | #topic roll call | 16:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 16:01 |
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| blogan | hi | 16:01 |
| pc_m | lurking | 16:01 |
| jamiem | also lurking :) | 16:01 |
| evgenyf | hi | 16:01 |
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| dougwig | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| dougwig | mid-cycle is next week! | 16:03 |
| dougwig | any other announcements today? | 16:03 |
| dougwig | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/LBaaS#Agenda | 16:03 |
| dougwig | #topic Mid-cycle meetup details | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid-cycle meetup details (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 16:03 | |
| dougwig | last week we went over owners and blocking issues. Anyone have any updates or new blocking issues going into the sprint? | 16:04 |
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| rm_work | gah | 16:05 |
| dougwig | i'll take that as either "no, or we're all asleep". :) | 16:05 |
| rm_work | I thought it was the other week | 16:05 |
| kobis | hi | 16:05 |
| blogan | welcome to reality | 16:05 |
| SantoshNetScaler | Hi | 16:05 |
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| evgenyf | dougwig: how can someone participate the meetup remotely? | 16:05 |
| blogan | oh so vivek and vijay from ebay/paypal will not be making the meetup | 16:06 |
| dougwig | evgenyf: yes, the rackers usually setup a hangout. | 16:06 |
| dougwig | for anyone that needs it: | 16:06 |
| dougwig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-kilo-meetup | 16:06 |
| dougwig | evgenyf: if you're on IRC monday morning-ish (texas time), they'll announce details of where to login. | 16:07 |
| dougwig | any other mid-cycle stuff to talk about today? | 16:07 |
| evgenyf | dougwig: thanks | 16:07 |
| rm_work | oh, grats evgenyf :) | 16:07 |
| rm_work | just saw WHY you're remote | 16:07 |
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| evgenyf | rm_work: thanks | 16:08 |
| dougwig | oh nice, congrats evgenyf | 16:08 |
| blogan | indeed! | 16:08 |
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| dougwig | for those not scrubbing the etherpad constantly: " evgenyf (have a new born daughter , will participate remotely)" | 16:08 |
| jamiem | Cool, congratulations! | 16:08 |
| evgenyf | Thank you guys :) | 16:08 |
| kobis | congrats, evgenyf! | 16:08 |
| dougwig | #topic Statuses (Provisioning and Operating) | 16:09 |
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| dougwig | blogan sent this issue to the ML with a couple replies. let's make a final decision on this one. | 16:09 |
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| evgenyf | kobis: thank you | 16:10 |
| blogan | not enough people responded to the email :( | 16:10 |
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| blogan | dougwig what are your thoughts | 16:10 |
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| dougwig | i was fine with any, and thought 2(*) was slightly better from a forward-looking perspective. we could always put the statuses on the objects for simplicity, and assemble the tree at status call time, which preserves the contract. | 16:11 |
| kobis | i'm for 2b | 16:12 |
| blogan | dougwig: well i was thinking another resource off the loadbalancer bc it becomes cleaner by separation | 16:13 |
| kobis | most lb's allow entity sharing and we wouldn't want to deprecate this capability. 2A is somewhere in between | 16:13 |
| blogan | 2A woudln't prevent sharing, its just placement of the status tree really | 16:13 |
| dougwig | right, i'm saying the db can keep the statuses in one place ,and the resource can assemble the tree. the api and db don't have to match 1:1 | 16:13 |
| blogan | oh yeah of course | 16:13 |
| dougwig | what else do you think we need to make a decision blogan? we've posted this several times and always only get a few replies. i think it's time to move on. | 16:13 |
| blogan | not going to rearrange the statuses in the db yet, only when sharing is implemented | 16:14 |
| blogan | i think this is the decision, 2B | 16:14 |
| blogan | any objections? forever hold your peace | 16:14 |
| rm_work | 2B or not 2B, that is the question | 16:14 |
| * rm_work is done now | 16:14 | |
| dougwig | unless someone objects quickly, the motion will pass | 16:15 |
| dougwig | rm_work: oh my. | 16:15 |
| dougwig | ok, let's move this conversation to gerrit then, with a review? | 16:16 |
| blogan | should it be a separate review then? | 16:16 |
| blogan | bc i would like that! | 16:16 |
| dougwig | or in your api improvement one, either way. | 16:16 |
| rm_work | whether 'tis nobler in the mind to reflect statuses directly, or to display them separately, and by doing so, share objects? | 16:16 |
| * rm_work lied about being done | 16:16 | |
| blogan | api improvement is getting large | 16:17 |
| dougwig | and here i held my tongue on my joke to evgenyf about parent's being vips and babies being members. | 16:17 |
| blogan | at 1700 lines (half of it tests of course) | 16:17 |
| dougwig | ok, your call if you're writing it. | 16:17 |
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| dougwig | #topic v1/v2 constraint | 16:17 |
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| blogan | well if im writing it ill jus tadd it to the same review so that only one neutron review will need to be merged instead of 2 | 16:17 |
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| * rm_work can't resist a good Shakespeare pun | 16:18 | |
| dougwig | i don't remember us coming to a conclusion on this one. | 16:18 |
| blogan | it needs to be done | 16:18 |
| blogan | or were there objections to that | 16:18 |
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| blogan | as in v1 and v2 are mutually exclusive | 16:18 |
| blogan | cannot be run at the same time | 16:18 |
| dougwig | ok | 16:18 |
| dougwig | no, we did have consensus on v1/v2, it was just me. | 16:18 |
| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 16:19 |
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| dougwig | anyone have other topics? | 16:19 |
| dougwig | i seem to be getting net split like lag. | 16:19 |
| dougwig | #chair blogan | 16:19 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan dougwig | 16:19 |
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| blogan | any dietary requirements for food at the meetup? | 16:19 |
| dougwig | food trucks. | 16:20 |
| rm_work | I need a meat option | 16:20 |
| rm_work | preferably bacon | 16:20 |
| dougwig | bacon is not meat. it's a food group. | 16:20 |
| blogan | so just a pile of bacon, done | 16:20 |
| rm_work | yissssss | 16:21 |
| blogan | tofu bacon | 16:21 |
| kobis | what time do we start on monday? | 16:21 |
| rm_work | T_T | 16:21 |
| kobis | tofu is not food | 16:21 |
| kobis | tofu is None | 16:21 |
| blogan | last time I believe we started at 9 am every day, but if yall want to push it to 10 am since its an entire week, id be fine with that | 16:21 |
| rm_work | I think we usually start at 9am? | 16:21 |
| rm_work | ooo | 16:21 |
| rm_work | 10am would be spectacular | 16:21 |
| dougwig | i'm fine with 9am. 10 is too close to lunch to get anything done. | 16:22 |
| TrevorV | blasphemy dougwig | 16:23 |
| kobis | im fine with either, i'm with jet lag anyway | 16:23 |
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| TrevorV | Cleanse him with FIRE | 16:23 |
| * dougwig hides. | 16:23 | |
| rm_work | 9am is fine I guess | 16:23 |
| dougwig | kilo-2 ends thursday, so i want to get some serious coding done, is all. | 16:23 |
| rm_work | ack | 16:23 |
| blogan | good point | 16:23 |
| TrevorV | let me translate for rm_work. "I'm severely upset by it being 9am. However, since its actually reasonable, I'll say I can deal" | 16:24 |
| rm_work | ^^ | 16:24 |
| blogan | and friday we come in at 1pm and party? | 16:24 |
| TrevorV | +1 blogan | 16:24 |
| dougwig | team left4dead or something. | 16:24 |
| rm_work | heh | 16:24 |
| dougwig | piped through an lbaas vip | 16:24 |
| TrevorV | We can do any number of things... and a LAN party would make me and rm_work happy as hell | 16:25 |
| rm_work | heh | 16:25 |
| blogan | ill be happy if thursday ends in happiness | 16:25 |
| rm_work | yeah we'll see if we deserve to reward ourselves on Friday | 16:25 |
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| dougwig | any other issues? | 16:27 |
| blogan | none | 16:28 |
| rm_work | I take issue that no one appreciated my poetry pun earlier <_< but that's cool | 16:28 |
| dougwig | alright, bye folks, and see some of you next week! | 16:28 |
| TrevorV | yessir! See you then! | 16:28 |
| blogan | i just ignored it | 16:28 |
| rm_work | later, see ya'll at RAX! | 16:28 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 27 16:28:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2015/neutron_lbaas.2015-01-27-16.01.html | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2015/neutron_lbaas.2015-01-27-16.01.txt | 16:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2015/neutron_lbaas.2015-01-27-16.01.log.html | 16:29 |
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