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| sigmavirus24 | I was here anyway kragniz :) | 14:00 |
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| kragniz | sigmavirus24: :) | 14:00 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 18 14:02:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:02 |
| pennerc | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:02 |
| ivasilevskaya | o/ | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | Y | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Gate | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:03 | |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | Last checked the job was running okay however, a bit slow | 14:03 |
| ativelkov | Is that about version issues for SQL Alchemy? | 14:03 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: for glanceclient, also? | 14:04 |
| ativelkov | or somth different? | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: looks like we started to hit those client gating issues last night bit more | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: oh, not for client. Was just worried about k1 atm | 14:04 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: kk | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: gotcha | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: yes, the same | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: do we have something that needs babysitting what k1 is waiting? | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: yes, the next topic | 14:05 |
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| nikhil_k | wanted to ask if anyone had anything besides k1 that was waiting for the gate | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | this may be a good time to bring that up | 14:06 |
| * nikhil_k needs to email SHA for k1 this afternoon | 14:06 | |
| nikhil_k | #topic K1 | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "K1 (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:07 | |
| nikhil_k | https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/kilo-1 | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | #help please review https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1400966 for the unmerged PS | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | this one is important for us | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: how long until we have the doc changes for the glance-manage.conf? | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | currently, the unmerged PS are outside of K1 so there is no timeline for us to target | 14:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: working on them right now :) | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: good | 14:08 |
| kragniz | jokke_: is that a blocker for k1? | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | yes | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | unless we cannot approve it today | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | kragniz: it's on the list and I'd like to see it making it ;) | 14:09 |
| kragniz | (I mean docs, not the bp) | 14:09 |
| zhiyan | https://review.openstack.org/142788 | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | docs should be in the same PS | 14:09 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: okay | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | with the DocImpact flag | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | #info review items https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/metadefs-tags , https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/create-glance-manage-conf | 14:10 |
| zhiyan | but, btw, i consider probably stable/havana need to be fixed as well. | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | is there anything else like a bug or small patch which may have been missed to be marked for k1? | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: you can tag that bug for potential stable/havana | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | we will know more in the discussion then | 14:11 |
| zhiyan | sure | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Holidays and schedule | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Holidays and schedule (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:12 | |
| mfedosin | it'll be cool to add this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139996/ but I don't insist | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: do I -1 this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125760/ or kick it under the train and make the PS to fix few things in there? | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: ok, have tagged https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1400366 for k1 | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I think I kick it under the train ... are more like nitpicks | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | let's see if we get some reviews on it today | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | nikhil_k, good, thanks! | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: thanks! | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-pre-new-year-reviews | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | #action cores: please add your availability during the holiday season (if applicable) | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: that won't be much :P | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | #info everyone: please add the links to the reviews needed sooner than Jan 5 in the etherpad above | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: :) are you saying that the availability won't be much ? | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | I will be following on that doc though, but I'm hopefully tomorrow last day in office until Jan 12 | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | NP, if you can confirm the same on the etherpad so that people know whom to ping | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | so won't be guaranteeing any times ... poke me on irc and I'll get back to stuff when I'm online | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: will do | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks! | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | if someone knows about Stuart's availability please add the same | 14:18 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: I think he's off until the 5th | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | I should be mostly around except for tomorrow and a day or two next week | 14:19 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: he'll probably be around a little here and there | 14:19 |
| kragniz | I'll be around most of the time | 14:21 |
| zhiyan | kragniz: Stuart is taking vacation already right? | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I added you to the list, so feel free to confirm :P | 14:21 |
| kragniz | zhiyan: pretty sure he is | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | zhiyan: yeah, we have a bit of unused holidays to burn by end of the year | 14:22 |
| zhiyan | kragniz: thanks | 14:22 |
| zhiyan | jokke_: understandable, enjoy them | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: thanks | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:24 | |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: while you're on that ... would you mind to mark the stable folks as well if there is something urgent | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | #info There is no meeting next week i.e. on Dec 25th | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: mark as in add their info? | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | zhiyan: question: I know https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139775/ and your chunk_size change are related, but regardless of whether the store respects it, we should be returning 206 since it's purely related to the API | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: or do you mean let them know? | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | woot?!? no X-Mas meeting :P | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | :P | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: both :P | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | ok | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | #action nikhil_k to note down stable-maint* availability during the holiday weeks | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: just if we get something like public sec bug that is similar criticality than the one this week we know whom to approach to get the backports in as well | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | makes sense | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | am a little hesitent to keep the meeting on Jan 1st | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: I can't possibly understand why /snark | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | however, that might be needed after a couple weeks of gap | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: heh | 14:29 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I doubt that will have any benefit | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | \o | 14:29 |
| * flaper87 is a bit late, sorry about that | 14:29 | |
| zhiyan | sigmavirus24: from glance api's perspective, i agreed, but currently, without that change/fix, the 206 will confused end user/client | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | it's okay. kragniz just left. so you can take his palce | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | lol | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | zhiyan: they're likely already thoroughly confused | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | or we can probably have one on 2nd a very inofficial sync on #openstack-glance to get everyone upto speed | 14:30 |
| zhiyan | sigmavirus24: due to, under current logic, whole bits will be returned | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: o/ | 14:30 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil_k: yo yo! | 14:30 |
| * flaper87 acts as if he knew what we're talking about | 14:30 | |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: mind adding your availability during the holiday week https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda ? | 14:30 |
| * flaper87 does that | 14:30 | |
| nikhil_k | oops | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: please fill your availability https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-pre-new-year-reviews | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-pre-new-year-reviews this one | 14:31 |
| zhiyan | sigmavirus24: imo, keeping it as-is now makes more sense | 14:31 |
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| flaper87 | done | 14:33 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: lol, 32, 33, 34! ?? | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:33 |
| * flaper87 lives in a parallel universe | 14:33 | |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: A+ | 14:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | good calendaring | 14:33 |
| * flaper87 added a link | 14:34 | |
| flaper87 | link = review | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | knock ? | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | so, sigmavirus24 and zhiyan what's the issue behind not merging that one yet? | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: which one ? | 14:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: I didn't realize it but glance doesn't actually honor Range headers | 14:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | We have logic for parsing and doing the right thing but the stores don't respect it | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139775/ | 14:36 |
| zhiyan | glance did actually, but glance_store didn't currently | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | or well, glance_store does it but not very good | 14:36 |
| zhiyan | flaper87: currently, only fs store driver care it, others won't | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | and I agree with zhiyan comments on that review | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: yup | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | ok, zhiyan can you mark it as -2 or workflow until you patch gets merged ? | 14:37 |
| * flaper87 will review zhiyan's patch again | 14:37 | |
| nikhil_k | just want to ensure we don't have another miscommunication, that's all | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | to speed up things | 14:38 |
| zhiyan | sure | 14:38 |
| zhiyan | flaper87: thanks | 14:38 |
| * flaper87 adds a beer to his list of 'free beers' | 14:38 | |
| * jokke_ tosses couple of tequilas to flaper87 | 14:39 | |
| nikhil_k | If there is nothing else, we can conclude the meeting early | 14:39 |
| zhiyan | btw, nikhil_k i added it to trello board, as a review item for glance_stroe 0.1.11 release | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: o/ | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | I've a question w.r.t the glance_store spec :) | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | that can be open discussion :P | 14:39 |
| zhiyan | flaper87: surething, what about BaiJiu ^^ | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: awesome, thanks! | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | ok | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: +1 | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: please go ahead | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | The question is: What's the current take on that? Can we complete the review on tha spec and move the work forward? | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | I'm basically speaking on cpallares' behalf since she's not here | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | I know she's got some work done but some things depend on what we'll agree on that spec | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | k-1 is over and it hasn't gotten enough attention | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | Cool, for open discussion it's good that you pointed out. Would be great to get some general reviews on it! | 14:42 |
| * jokke_ is still waiting for a link *tapetitap* | 14:43 | |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: any news from TC about the Glance Future stuff? | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | She pinged me a couple days back and asked for review on the spec and our understanding is to sync up early next week after k1 | 14:43 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126550/ | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | and on that note | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | k1 is not over yet! | 14:43 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | The cut should be today (modulo issues) | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | TravT: an hour late again | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | We need reviews on that patched waiting to merge in k1. The links are in the meeting agenda and would be visible on the meeting logs. | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | what I meant is that it won't get done for k1 | 14:44 |
| TravT | jokke_: hi jokke_ | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | yes, it's target was k2 | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | its original target was k-1, FWIW | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | May be a miscommunication between 3 of us | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | it was postponed 2-3 weeks ago! and she was okay with it | 14:45 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: does glance_store need to follow main project's release schedule? | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | on that note, I think there have been few miscomunications lately and I'd like everyone to use more the mailing list when things involve more than 2 people | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to encourage* | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: no, but the refactor on that big level should | 14:46 |
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| nikhil_k | so that we do not break things | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: fwiw https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/swift-store-multiple-containers is merged | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | This item was outside of the ML discussion and k1 items were announced on the meeting agenda and input was requested well before hand | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: ah thanks for the reminder. Need to clean up that k1 page | 14:48 |
| * jokke_ prefers the meetings ... it's way too easy to get lost in that spam flood on the mailing list | 14:48 | |
| flaper87 | jokke_: there are too many things related to just discussing things on meetings | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: saw your k1 cut question. It is going to happen when the SHA is communicated to the release manager. That has not happened yet (fyi) | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: I know | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | basically, if you need attention from focussed group of individual of glance team, meeting is the best place to start | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | and say that you need more input on the same | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | declaration on ML is likely going to get friction later in the cycle | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | and is very inefficient | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | Wait, I think you got me wrong. I wasn't complaining I was asking for attention | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | (which I had done before on the same patch, FWIW). As much as I hate emails, I think it's a good solution for all the TZ issues we have and personal priorities | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | anyway, what I wanted to say is that we should value emails as much as we value our IRC meetings | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | just a thought | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: it seems to be community decision to make that really difficult :D | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | Anything else? | 14:55 |
| * jokke_ will look into that spec in few | 14:55 | |
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| TravT | flaper87: others. I sent an email out asking if we know of any reason I shouldn't start migrating horizon to v2 api in client. | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | TravT: I think it'd be a good thing to do | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | TravT: let me know if you run into problems | 14:57 |
| TravT | Ok. | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: as long as Horizon does not use nova-image-* calls | 14:57 |
| TravT | I actually got a big patch through last night on Horizon and it included a tiny baby step towards that migration. | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | ^ that would add inconsistencies | 14:58 |
| TravT | just code reading, i'm not sure that pagination will work in v2. | 14:59 |
| TravT | but i haven't actually tried it | 14:59 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, are the meetings cancelled over the next couple weeks for the holidays? | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! Happy holidays and a new year! Next meeting in 2015! | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | Happy holidays everyone ... enjoy your mulled wines and lets get back fresh at Jan! | 15:00 |
| TravT | Happy holiday! | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | Happy Holidays | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| ativelkov | Have a good vacation everyone! | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 18 15:00:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-12-18-14.02.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-12-18-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-12-18-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
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| VW_ | morning, folks. | 15:56 |
| VW_ | we'll get started in a few | 15:56 |
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| VW_ | Ok, let's get going | 16:00 |
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| VW_ | #startmeeting Large Deployment Team | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 18 16:00:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is VW_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| jlk | o/ | 16:01 |
| belmoreira | hey | 16:01 |
| VW_ | hello folks. Thanks for joining | 16:01 |
| VW_ | if anyone needs it, I set the following up for notes, etc | 16:01 |
| VW_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Large-Deployment-Team-Meetings | 16:01 |
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| VW_ | Let's dive in to the first thing on there | 16:02 |
| VW_ | #topic Midcycle Meetups | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle Meetups (Meeting topic: Large Deployment Team)" | 16:03 | |
| VW_ | I've seen a little chatter about some of the midcycles. In Paris, we discussed getting representatives from this group to as many as we could | 16:03 |
| belmoreira | who is going? | 16:03 |
| VW_ | anyone already planning on getting to one or more of them | 16:03 |
| jlk | I'm trying to convince my current management that I need to go to the nova mid cycle | 16:04 |
| belmoreira | VW_: I'm not planning to go | 16:04 |
| VW_ | I know we have several devs going to Nova. I may have to lean on them for insight, feedback, etc for budget reasons as well | 16:05 |
| VW_ | for now, I've got jlk down as a maybe in the notes | 16:05 |
| VW_ | are there any others we care strongly about | 16:06 |
| VW_ | I'm assuming Neutron mid cycle | 16:07 |
| VW_ | what else? | 16:07 |
| jlk | good question. | 16:07 |
| jlk | Is glance having one? | 16:07 |
| jlk | I know as deployers/operators we have... issues with glance | 16:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | jlk: glance is | 16:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | I can't remember exactly where though in all candor | 16:07 |
| jlk | and it would be nice to get an idea on how things are progressing to get glance-api out of the data transfer game. | 16:07 |
| belmoreira | I don't think ceilometer has one... for us is one of the most problematic components | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | jlk: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-mid-cycle-meetup | 16:08 |
| VW_ | hmm belmoreira - good point - we'll need to ask around about that | 16:09 |
| VW_ | Ok, so from what we've discussed here, it sounds like we'd love reps and/or insight to Nova, Glance Neutron and Ceilometer (if one materailizes) | 16:11 |
| VW_ | right now jlk is our only active Large Deployment Team member that might be going to one | 16:12 |
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| VW_ | I'll leverage some of our more Ops minded core devs at the nova one as well and I may know some folks in the loop on the glance mid cycle | 16:12 |
| VW_ | let me assign myself a follow-up action | 16:13 |
| VW_ | #action VW_ follow up with RS folks that might know about/be attending Glance mid cycle | 16:13 |
| VW_ | Also, I bugged Tom about the Ops mid cycle a few days ago. Sounds like details are still pending | 16:14 |
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| jlk | yeah that's another we should try to attend. | 16:14 |
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| VW_ | Ok - well it sounds like there is plenty of follow-up with regard to mid cycles. Anything else before we move on? | 16:15 |
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| VW_ | I'll go with no :) | 16:16 |
| VW_ | #topic Periodic Tasks | 16:16 |
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| VW_ | So one of the things we discussed as a "quick win" in Paris was providing collective feedback on periodic tasks we regularly tweak/disable | 16:17 |
| VW_ | did anyone bring some examples with them? | 16:17 |
| jlk | I did not, we're not currently tweaking them at all. | 16:17 |
| belmoreira | well we are disabling: heal_instance_info_cache_interval | 16:18 |
| mdorman | only one i can think of off the top of my head is the intance info cache update interval | 16:18 |
| belmoreira | the main reason for us is our infrastructure design | 16:19 |
| belmoreira | it can be really heavy in the nova-network nodes, and we chose to have few of them... | 16:19 |
| VW_ | I think we adjust that one too, belmoreira, but I'm admittedly behind in my homework | 16:20 |
| VW_ | same for mdorman's | 16:20 |
| VW_ | rabbit queues can get messy with a lot of the every minute updates | 16:20 |
| VW_ | mdorman: can you elaborate on what you change and why with respect to that one? | 16:21 |
| mdorman | i think we change it to 15 minutes or something. and tbh we only adjusted it because we heard others had issues with it, and we wanted to try to address it before it became a problem | 16:22 |
| VW_ | fair enough | 16:22 |
| mdorman | but yeah, intuitively, 60s updates on 100x VMs, is not such a great thing. | 16:22 |
| mdorman | s/100x/100s/ | 16:22 |
| VW_ | tangent - I know belmoreira uses cells. Do you mdorman? | 16:23 |
| jlk | yeah, that's interesting data. Cells vs no, and conductor vs no. | 16:24 |
| VW_ | we've actually had to go to multiple global cells workers and a lot of the driver is the overall volume of updates from the computes | 16:24 |
| klindgren | We are in the process of switching to cells. But currently we are not cells | 16:25 |
| mdorman | we are working on converting to cells right now. but don’t have any prod/larger scale experience with them yet. | 16:25 |
| VW_ | good to know klindgren / mdorman - happy to share insight as you move along. While not directly related to periodic tasks, I bring it up because of the reasons mentioned above | 16:26 |
| VW_ | jlk - does condcutor make this whole line of conversation moot since a "smaller" number of hosts can send their task update info to a collection point? | 16:26 |
| klindgren | We do use conductor though | 16:26 |
| belmoreira | For those looking into cells there is a working group for cellsv2. See: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaCellsv2#Agenda | 16:27 |
| VW_ | really, klindgren - that's great - anything you can share relative to conductor and periodic tasks | 16:28 |
| VW_ | thanks belmoreira - I keep trying to make that one and my schedule is not co-oprating | 16:28 |
| jlk | VW_: I honestly don't know. | 16:28 |
| jlk | VW_: conductor makes things nicer when it's computes directly writing to databases | 16:29 |
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| jlk | but I don't think the periodic tasks are that. | 16:29 |
| VW_ | going to put down and agenda item for next meeting to dive into current status of cells V2 for this group, belmoreira if you think it's worth it | 16:29 |
| VW_ | good point, jlk | 16:29 |
| klindgren | Not really - honestly we aren't at a point, yet, where we are big enough to run into some of these scaling issues. | 16:29 |
| mdorman | yeah i would love more detials on cells v2, i too haven’t had the time/schedule to really get up to speed on it | 16:29 |
| belmoreira | VW_: definitely. I think this group should be informed and participate in the discussions | 16:30 |
| VW_ | +1 | 16:30 |
| VW_ | Ok, so it sounds like we have a little feedback on periodic tasks. Perhaps take a summary of this chat to the mailing list? | 16:31 |
| jlk | +1 | 16:31 |
| belmoreira | +1 | 16:31 |
| jlk | is there a separate large deployers list or are we using the existing operators list? (prefer the latter) | 16:31 |
| VW_ | the decision in Paris was use ops list but tag emails | 16:32 |
| jlk | nod | 16:32 |
| belmoreira | I also the: bandwidth_poll_interval | 16:32 |
| VW_ | I've been using [Large Deployment Team] | 16:32 |
| belmoreira | at the moment the default is 600 | 16:32 |
| VW_ | ah yes -that one - how could I forget, belmoreira | 16:32 |
| belmoreira | but maybe it should be disabled... I don't see many people using it... | 16:32 |
| VW_ | I tend to agree belmoreira | 16:33 |
| jlk | what'd be nice is a break down of A) what people alter, and B) what the impact of changing the default is | 16:33 |
| VW_ | will work that into the email conversation | 16:33 |
| jlk | IE what purpose does that periodic task serve, and how is that purpose altered by adjusting the interval. | 16:33 |
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| VW_ | cool - we'll take that to the list then. maybe even back it with an ehterpad for better notes | 16:35 |
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| VW_ | moving along | 16:35 |
| VW_ | #topic Meeting Times | 16:35 |
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| belmoreira | In the docs: "Interval to pull network bandwidth usage info". However I don't know how useful it is, besides the queries that introduces... | 16:36 |
| jlk | right, that's kinda the problem. The definition is somewhat circular and doesn't describe what that data is USED for. | 16:37 |
| VW_ | I'd like to lock down how we manage this meeting on an on-going basis. We agreed in Paris that once a month seemed right. With only one under our belt, I'm not ready to change that, but figured we can start there | 16:37 |
| VW_ | noted belmoreira, jlk | 16:37 |
| belmoreira | jlk: yes | 16:37 |
| jlk | VW_: once a month seems about right. The more regular operators meeting can be used for whatever else comes up. | 16:37 |
| mdorman | +1 | 16:38 |
| VW_ | agreed | 16:38 |
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| VW_ | speaking of which - did any of you make that yesterday? I had stuff at home I had to deal with | 16:38 |
| klindgren | I did | 16:38 |
| VW_ | Not to get too off-topic, but anything substantial worth revisiting here, klindgren | 16:39 |
| klindgren | mainly around some packaging - then some other stuff that I am totally drawing a blank on | 16:39 |
| klindgren | :-) | 16:39 |
| VW_ | no worries | 16:39 |
| mdorman | and the sample config file topic, which is loosely related to packaging | 16:39 |
| mdorman | also we were trying to figure out if/when there’s a mid-cycle ops meetup | 16:40 |
| mdorman | but i think mfisch/fifieldt are working on that one | 16:40 |
| VW_ | yeah, that seems to be the burning question. Based on what I've heard, it's yes | 16:40 |
| VW_ | just when and where is still in flight | 16:40 |
| VW_ | but I'll try to catch Tom this evening | 16:40 |
| mdorman | that’s my understanding too. there was an action to post curent status on all that to the ML | 16:40 |
| VW_ | cool | 16:41 |
| VW_ | back to our meeting is 3rd Thursday as good as anything for you all? | 16:41 |
| mdorman | works for me | 16:42 |
| VW_ | I picked this one to chat prior to holidays, but I don't see why we don't stick to it | 16:42 |
| jlk | works well for me, that's typically my work from home day | 16:42 |
| VW_ | awesome | 16:43 |
| VW_ | I'd like to flip the time every other month though so we can catch more timezones | 16:43 |
| VW_ | anyone have serious concerns with that? | 16:43 |
| mdorman | nope | 16:43 |
| jlk | no | 16:43 |
| belmoreira | sorry, I'm lost... 3rd Thursday? | 16:43 |
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| belmoreira | I understand now... :) | 16:44 |
| mdorman | 3rd thursday of the month | 16:44 |
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| VW_ | yes, sorry for not being clear, belmoreira | 16:44 |
| emagana | sorry, quite late! | 16:44 |
| VW_ | no problem, emagana | 16:44 |
| VW_ | welcome | 16:45 |
| emagana | VW_: Representing Workday! We have a huge deployment going on! | 16:45 |
| jlk | VW_: oh there was one thing from the operators meeting yesterday | 16:45 |
| VW_ | awesome - glad you could join us. we were just finalizing the structure for on-going meetings, emagana | 16:46 |
| VW_ | go for it jlk | 16:46 |
| jlk | VW_: a call for deployers to write up SuperUser stories to describe how we each deal with code, how we get it from upstream, how we add any downstream changes, and how we turn it into something we put out into (pre)production | 16:46 |
| jlk | A longer format show and tell | 16:46 |
| jlk | While we don't think we can reach convergence on ways to do this, the community would benefit from having more explicit examples put out there, particularly when some are done using open source software | 16:47 |
| belmoreira | jlk: completely agree. | 16:48 |
| VW_ | very nice - and noted, jlk - we also agreed in Paris that this group should get active in SuperUser. | 16:48 |
| VW_ | and I agree with your assessment, jlk - but you probably knew that ;) | 16:48 |
| jlk | I just assume everybody always agrees with me | 16:49 |
| klindgren | lol | 16:49 |
| VW_ | so this time slot was pretty popular. We'll keep it as the Eurpoean friendly meeting time every other month starting in Feb. | 16:49 |
| VW_ | and I'll send out a doodle to pick a time in the Evening US that brings in more of APAC | 16:50 |
| VW_ | try to make so that if belmoreira is up smashing atoms late into the night he might be able to join as well :) | 16:50 |
| belmoreira | VW_: yeah :) | 16:51 |
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| VW_ | ok - cool. will get that out asap then so I can get stuff locked down in the wiki's etc | 16:51 |
| VW_ | and not have to rely as much on email - which emagana may have pointed out I goofed up in etherpad notes | 16:52 |
| VW_ | we are running low on time - which brings up my last question for this meeting schedule on-gong | 16:53 |
| VW_ | s/on-gong/on-going | 16:53 |
| VW_ | is an hour enough? | 16:53 |
| mdorman | i think so. and if not, we should cap it | 16:54 |
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| jlk | agreed | 16:54 |
| mdorman | we all have enough meetings as it is | 16:54 |
| belmoreira | mdorman: +1 | 16:54 |
| mdorman | and these can be pretty efficient | 16:54 |
| VW_ | sounds good. In theory, I like us having a bit of pressure to take unresolved/longer discussions to the list anyway - especially since we will have split meeting times with varying attendance | 16:55 |
| VW_ | ok - cool - it stays at an hour then | 16:55 |
| VW_ | ok - I want to honor at least one other agenda item before we run out of time | 16:55 |
| VW_ | #topic Blueprints | 16:55 |
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| VW_ | anyone have any they would like to bring to the attention of the group? | 16:56 |
| jlk | I did not do good homework here. | 16:56 |
| VW_ | any important ones with cells v2 we should read over, belmoreira? | 16:57 |
| belmoreira | There are some... let's see... | 16:57 |
| belmoreira | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136490/1 | 16:58 |
| VW_ | #action VW_ send doodle out for alternative meeting time to support APAC members | 16:58 |
| belmoreira | this is for cells migration | 16:59 |
| VW_ | #action VW_ get meeting details into wiki, etc now that it's been decided | 16:59 |
| VW_ | got it - thanks, belmoreira | 16:59 |
| belmoreira | this etherpad about scheduling requirements is also important: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-scheduling-requirements | 17:00 |
| VW_ | looks like we are at time. if you have any more, belmoreira add them here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Large-Deployment-Team-Meetings and we'll draw attention on the mailing list | 17:00 |
| VW_ | thank you all for joining today! It was a little bumpy, but I'm happy with our first attempt | 17:00 |
| VW_ | feel free to bounce me any feedback you ahve | 17:00 |
| mdorman | thanks VW_ | 17:01 |
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| klindgren | thanks | 17:01 |
| belmoreira | thanks | 17:01 |
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| klindgren | I do have a question for people using ceilometer at scale | 17:01 |
| klindgren | have you noticed that it hammers the hell out of the nova api? | 17:01 |
| VW_ | I'll grab all the notes and get a summary out | 17:01 |
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| VW_ | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 18 17:01:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployment_team/2014/large_deployment_team.2014-12-18-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployment_team/2014/large_deployment_team.2014-12-18-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployment_team/2014/large_deployment_team.2014-12-18-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| belmoreira | klindgren: yeah | 17:02 |
| belmoreira | we have nova-api dedicated to ceilometer per cell | 17:02 |
| jlk | we're not using it at all yet. I'd be curious what your use cases are | 17:02 |
| klindgren | we recently got some visulization into the number of api requests + their execution time on our side | 17:02 |
| klindgren | and every 5 or 10 min I see thousands of requests from ceilometer | 17:03 |
| klindgren | in a very short window | 17:03 |
| belmoreira | klindgren: yes. It is normal | 17:04 |
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