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gcb#startmeeting  oslo14:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 12 14:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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gcbcourtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, crushil, dansmith, dhellmann14:00
gcbcourtesy ping for dims, dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb14:00
gcbcourtesy ping for GheRivero, haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti14:00
gcbcourtesy ping for kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor14:00
gcbcourtesy ping for redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak14:00
gcbcourtesy ping for stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek14:00
dhellmanno/14:00
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gcb\o/14:01
gcb#topic Red flags for/from liaisons14:01
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gcbhttps://review.openstack.org/469806 oslo.messaging patch was merged , that's the only issue I know14:02
gcband we revert https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470283/ for stable/ocata branch, so it works for stable/ocata14:04
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gcb#topic Releases14:04
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gcb#link https://review.openstack.org/473353 this is for master branch14:05
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gcbI set workflow -1 before our weekly meeting, please raise if you have any concern14:06
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gcbI also plan to prepare stable branches release recently14:07
gcbwill post the patches links for stable branch in #openstack-oslo14:08
gcb#topic Stuck Reviews14:08
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gcbI have one https://review.openstack.org/384559, please help review when you have time:-)14:10
gcbdhellmann: a simple fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47087414:11
dhellmanngcb : ok, I'll add that to my review queue14:12
dhellmannboth14:12
gcbdhellmann, thanks14:12
dhellmannI could use some reviews on this documentation spec, since it's going to affect several of our repos: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472275/14:12
dhellmannsome of the documentation will move into oslo.config and oslo.log, for example14:13
dhellmannand then we'll be rearranging the way the doc builds work14:13
dhellmannI plan to set up oslo.config as an example soon14:13
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gcbdhellmann,  the changes makes sense, I will make change for other libraries, following your change14:15
dhellmannok, great14:15
gcbdhellmann, any update about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454897/?14:15
gcbI saw just set workflow -114:15
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dhellmanngcb : I think we're not going to need to do all of that work14:18
dhellmannthe configmap approach looks like it would be less work for everyone, and it would align with the pattern used for configuring other applications14:18
gcbyeah, I just went through http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/117943.html, will check the details later14:19
dhellmannthe spec may still be useful for a way to store secret values, but we should consider if there is an easier way to do that14:20
dhellmannand someone brought up parsing yaml instead of ini files, and I'm sure we can do that without all of the refactoring implied by that spec14:20
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gcbyaml works for machine and human :-)14:22
gcb#topic Open discussion14:23
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dhellmannyes. my main objection to adding yaml support in the past was having to maintain and document 2 formats14:23
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gcbyaml is superset of json, so that means it also works for json, right?14:26
dhellmannyes, I think that is true14:26
dhellmannI believe that's what we did when we added yaml support to the policy library14:26
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gcbyeah, that's true14:29
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gcbwe're loosing contributors from oslo side,  Roman Podoliaka just stepped down for oslo.db cores, we need do something to attract more people to oslo14:31
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gcbAny ideas are appreciated14:34
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gcbI think we can end the meeting today , thanks for everyone showing up14:36
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gcb#endmeeting14:38
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"14:38
openstackMeeting ended Mon Jun 12 14:38:23 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:38
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-06-12-14.00.html14:38
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ijw#startmeeting networking-vpp16:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 12 16:01:55 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ijw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
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ijwIs there anybody out there?16:02
ijw#info najoy is working on remote-group-id implementation for security groups16:03
ijw#info ijw is working on making the L3 data model declarative rather than driven by commands as it is today16:04
ijwNo other business?16:04
ijw#endmeeting16:05
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dtantsur#startmeeting ironic17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 12 17:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
TheJuliao/17:00
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dtantsuro/17:00
crushil\o17:00
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dtantsurwelcome everyone!17:00
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dtantsurour agenda, as usual, can be found at:17:01
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dtantsur#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic17:01
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dtantsur#topic Announcements / Reminder17:02
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rama_yo/17:02
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dtantsurA bunch of stable releases was done for all our projects17:02
Nisha_Agarwalwoo17:03
dtantsurthe ironic-lib CI was repaired, and now builds IPA from source with the change being tested17:03
rlooyay!17:03
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dtantsuranything else from anyone?17:04
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dtantsur#topic Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes)17:05
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ricardoaso/17:05
dtantsur#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard line 9617:05
* dtantsur remembers to update the bugs, sigh17:05
rajiniro/17:06
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dtantsurNisha_Agarwal: could you please clean up the python 3 section of outdated information (merged patches, etc)?17:11
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rloodtantsur: you didn't update the bugs, right?17:12
dtantsurrloo: just updated the stats17:12
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rloodtantsur: ok, i'll update the date for you :-)17:12
dtantsuroh, I forgot to update the dates :) thanks rloo17:12
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Nisha_Agarwaldtantsur, done17:13
Nisha_Agarwal:)17:13
dtantsurthanks17:13
rloofor CI refactoring, this has been reviewed, needs updating? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429770/17:14
Nisha_Agarwalrloo, yes17:14
rlooI guess vsaienk0 isn't here17:14
rloodtantsur: how essential is the ci refactoring etc?17:14
dtantsurrloo: it's always essential, but not in a sense of "do now or die"17:15
rloodtantsur: ok (phew)17:15
Nisha_Agarwalrloo, this patch is more of a base for other manual cleaning patches in CI(third party)17:15
dtantsurmaybe we should move it to "High" section, dunno17:15
Nisha_Agarwaldtantsur, ^^^17:15
rloodtantsur: yeah17:16
dtantsurI see17:16
rloodtantsur: unless it is essential cuz we NEED test coverage of those missing things17:16
dtantsurwell, we have features not covered by CI, right?17:17
rloodtantsur: I mean, a feature isn't complete unless we have test coverage?17:17
dtantsurright. hence we have it in essential.17:17
Nisha_Agarwalrloo, but unless we have third party CI for the stuff vedors are proposing the code doesnt go in unless CI is there17:17
* dtantsur looks at the clock17:17
dtantsurI'd prefer we move the questions to the open discussion, as we have some topics proposed already17:18
rlooNisha_Agarwal: right. i think those features went in before we had a lot of CI coverage.17:18
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Nisha_Agarwalrloo, lets discuss it in open discussion17:18
rlooNisha_Agarwal: (I don't think there needs any more discussion...)17:18
dtantsuris everyone done with statuses specifically?17:18
* rloo done17:18
dtantsur#topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week17:19
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Nisha_Agarwalrloo, i just meant that this patch is required for CI stuff (atleast for us)17:19
dtantsurwe've done some really good job this week :) we've landed 3 out of 4 week priorities17:19
jlvillalNice. You are very productive when I am on vacation ;)17:20
rlooNisha_Agarwal: i updated the whiteboard to mention that it is needed for 3rd party CI :-)17:20
dtantsurI'd suggest we keep pushing on BFV and rolling upgrades. probably physical network awareness too17:20
rloojlvillal: no, just think of how much more we could have gotten done with you here!17:20
jlvillal:)17:20
dtantsur:)17:20
jlvillalThose priorities make sense to me.17:20
Nisha_Agarwalrloo, thanks :)17:20
dtantsurshould we keep OSC feature parity on list? there are a few easy wins there, I've +2ed all of them already17:21
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sambettsdtantsur: sounds like a good idea then17:21
sambettsotherwise they just get lost17:21
rloodtantsur: sounds good with me. esp the OSC one, we will/should have at least one priority done this week ;)17:22
dtantsurdo I get it right that "move create_port to conductor" is the next patch related to physical network awareness?17:23
dtantsurmgoddard: ^^^17:23
rloodtantsur: yup, that's right17:23
dtantsurok, so we have 4 topics now. is the list looking good?17:23
rloo++17:23
mgoddarddtantsur: correct17:24
dtantsurdo we want to take anything else now that we have jlvillal to review everything? :)17:24
jlvillalheh17:24
rloodtantsur: i say wait a week, he just got back :)17:24
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dtantsurok, ok :) the 3 topics out of 4 are quite tough17:25
dtantsurmoving on?17:25
dtantsur#topic the driver composition and breaking changes to the supported interfaces17:26
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dtantsur#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118226.html17:26
dtantsurI've found that the way we change the drivers now somehow promotes doing breaking changes17:26
TheJuliaI am all for option 4, release note, and then provide a proposed mechanism to make their lives easier in the future17:26
dtantsure.g. when drivers move from a generic "pxe" boot to a specific "<vendor>-pxe"17:26
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rloodtantsur: if i understand it, what you're saying is that the *default* interface was changed?17:27
dtantsurrloo: not really. just one of the supported interfaces has changed its name17:27
milanTheJulia ++ seems the easiest thing to do (almost nothing ;)17:27
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dtantsur"pxe" -> "<vendor>-pxe"17:27
rloodtantsur: so 'pxe' == 'irmc-pxe' ? same behavior?17:28
dtantsurrloo: not exactly the same. they've extended it with more clean steps.17:28
dtantsurand are dropping "pxe" for this reason17:28
rloodtantsur: so not the same interface. i see it as 'they changed the default interface'.17:28
dtantsurs/the default/a supported/17:29
rloodtantsur: i didn't read/review the patch, just guessing...17:29
rloodtantsur: oh, if they only added a new supported one, then how does it break?17:29
dtantsurrloo: and remove one too17:29
rloodtantsur: oh, the removal is what i missed.17:29
rloodtantsur: i don't see how you can remove, that is breaking change.17:29
dtantsurthis is my question: what should we do about such changes17:30
rloodtantsur: if we use our usual rules, need to deprecate first?17:30
pas-hawill it not work at all with base pxe?17:30
stendulkerOr can they support both pxe and irmc-pxe as boot inetrfaces for Pike release and mark 'pxe' for obsolenscence within irmc hardware type?17:30
pas-hastendulker: +17:30
dtantsuran essence of the change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416403/8/ironic/drivers/irmc.py@9317:30
dtantsurrloo: ^^^17:30
rloodtantsur: i think we still need to support pxe.PXEBoot.17:31
rloodtantsur: needs a deprecation period.17:31
Nisha_Agarwalrloo+17:31
rloodtantsur: or at least, we cannot break if someone had created a node with driver irmc and boot-interface=pxe.17:31
dtantsuranother option is to create a database migration17:32
dtantsurno, it won17:32
rloodtantsur: we can issue a warning and 'redirect' pxe interface to boot.irmcpxeboot, but we can't break.17:32
dtantsurwon't work17:32
pas-harloo: ++ plus a release note saying the 'pxe' interface will not have all the features17:32
dtantsurthis will need to implicitly enable the new interface, which is not enabled by default17:32
rloodtantsur: i think we should decide how we want things to work, and then see if we can get the code to do what we want17:33
* dtantsur wonders if the change actually has to modify the boot interface in this case, not e.g. management17:34
rloomasters that we are :-)17:34
rlooi have to say, there is a lot more to this patch than what the commit msg sez. nothing about a new boot interface :-(17:35
rlooi'd think based on the commit, that only the irmc mgt interface would get updated.17:35
dtantsuryeah. even outside of this patch, we need a formal policy on similar changes.17:35
dtantsurand it seems that the consensus is to keep support for pxe for some time, then switch?17:36
rloodtantsur: agreed that we need formal policy.17:36
stendulkerdtantsur: ++17:36
* dtantsur has to write dev docs on the new drivers17:36
rloodtantsur: support for 'pxe' interface -- whether it means actual pxe code or if it 'redirects' to new 'irmc-pxe' is a diff story17:36
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dtantsurlooking at the code, it's safe to support "pxe" in this particular case17:36
pas-hasame feeling17:37
rloodtantsur: ok, that'd be the easiest thing to do.17:37
rloodtantsur: after deprecation, we can add DB migration script to change 'pxe' to irmc-pxe'.17:37
pas-haits just that bios restore won't work automatically17:37
dtantsurok, please post your thoughts to the ML thread. if we get a consensus, I'll try to capture it in the future drivers dev docs.17:37
stendulkerOr would be better for vendor to carve out vendor-* interfaces for hardware types so that they can be extended later without such issues17:37
dtantsurstendulker: I actually was going to propose it, at least for boot..17:38
dtantsurit seems that the boot interfase is very often extended by vendors17:38
stendulkerdtantsur: yes, and many a times we cannot plan it upfront, but a place holder should help in long run17:38
dtantsurok, please comment on the thread17:39
dtantsurready to move on?17:39
dtantsur#topic RFE review17:40
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dtantsur#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/169134417:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1691344 in Ironic "[RFE] Make ip address of socat console configurable" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Wang KaiFeng (kaifeng)17:40
dtantsurthis seems a reasonable thing to do, and the patch looks quite straightforward17:41
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pas-hathis looks quite easy and imo does not need a spec, just make the default to be the current behavior17:41
TheJuliaI agree17:41
rloothe rfe needs to identify the name of the new config17:41
rloobut other than that, seems reasonable to me17:41
stendulker++17:42
dtantsurI'd prefer it as well, but I can also argue about it on review17:42
rlooand it should mention as pas-ha said, what the default value is.17:42
rloodtantsur: just a good habit for folks to have/do.17:42
dtantsur"the ip address binded by socat is only configurable by $my_ip" implicitly mentions the default fwiw17:43
dtantsurdo we want more details or can we approve and figure out on the patch?17:43
rloowe can approve, i will put a comment about what i just said.17:43
dtantsurthanks!17:43
kaifengThanks guys, I named it socat_address for current code, if there is any feedbacks from reviews about the option name, I would update back to the launchpad.17:43
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* jlvillal didn't know you could use "$my_ip" as a default value. TIL17:44
rlooi agree it implicitly mentions the default but i have seen in the past, where my assumption isn't the same as others.17:44
dtantsurkaifeng: hi! I think we have a separate configuration section for [console]17:44
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dtantsurotherwise I'm good with it17:44
dtantsurkaifeng: https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/conf/console.py  <-- I think it should go here17:44
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dtantsuractually, it's there already,so I'm good with it17:45
dtantsurany other comments?17:45
* dtantsur is ready to mark it rfe-approved17:45
kaifengYes:)17:45
dtantsurok, let's move on17:46
dtantsur#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/169661917:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1696619 in Ironic "[RFE] auto recovering from maintenance" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to yuan liang (leetpy)17:46
dtantsurthis is something JayF tried to do with his specific faults work17:46
dtantsurit's still very valuable to do, I wonder what specific implemention will be17:46
dtantsurI'd prefer a spec on it, I guess..17:47
rlooto be honest, i don't understand the description.17:47
dtantsurrloo: IIUC this is about unsetting maintenance that was set due to a power fault17:47
pas-hathis kind of looks lik 'faults' we have been talking about before17:48
pas-hacourtesy of JayF17:48
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rlooso isn't this a dup of the faults spec then?17:49
dtantsurrloo: the faults spec is dead, until somebody overtakes it17:49
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dtantsurwe may point the person towards it. or we can ask for a spec and see how it looks.17:49
rloodtantsur: well, there's an RFE associated with the faults spec, if it already describes what this isn't/hasn't yet described...17:50
dtantsur"specific faults" was a big thing, we can probably solve this particular problem easier17:50
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dtantsurrloo: right. do you propose to mark this as a duplicate?17:51
rlooso regardless, i would want more information on this. i don't see/how they want to unset maintenance.17:51
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dtantsuror ask for a spec and see where it goes?17:51
rlooi will admit i haven't read the faults spec so don't know which way to go but if the faults spec already describes what this person wants to do, then it seems to me that it is a dup.17:51
rlooi am fine suggesting both and let the author decide.17:52
dtantsurwell, not directly17:52
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dtantsurthe faults spec is more about reporting faults. it does not directly talk about unsetting maintenance IIRC17:52
dtantsur"suggesting both and let the author decide" ++17:52
rloodtantsur: in that case it is different. i don't know w/o spending more time looking into this.17:52
rloobut i want a better description!17:53
dtantsurso, needs-spec?17:53
pas-hadefinitely17:53
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rlooyes please17:53
dtantsurok, I'll comment after the meeting17:53
rloounless they can describe it in the RFE.17:53
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dtantsurany more comments on this one?17:54
dtantsur#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/168132017:54
openstackLaunchpad bug 1681320 in Ironic "[RFE] Allow inspection to discover pci devices" [Wishlist,Triaged]17:54
dtantsurNisha_Agarwal: the microphone is yours :)17:54
Nisha_Agarwaldtantsur, :)17:54
Nisha_AgarwalSo this is to propose the pci device inspection similar to what ironic-inspector does today17:55
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Nisha_Agarwalso that even OOB inspection can have the pci devices discovered and added to capabilities17:55
Nisha_AgarwalSince inspector spec was approved and implemented long back , do we need a spec for this one. ispector spec link https://github.com/openstack/ironic-inspector-specs/blob/master/specs/generic-pci-resource.rst17:57
Nisha_Agarwals/ispector/inspector17:57
dtantsurthe only question I have is whether we want to make it a generic config or not17:57
wanyenIMO, PCI device discovery and capability are important for users regardless in-band or oob discovery.17:57
Nisha_Agarwalor just RFE would do for this one17:57
dtantsuri.e. are more vendors going to implement it? should we make ironic-inspector respect ironic's configuration? etc17:58
Nisha_Agarwaldtantsur, hmmm17:58
Nisha_Agarwaldtantsur, may be when inspector is invoked from ironic it makes sense to respect ironic config file17:58
jlvillalFYI: 2 minutes left17:58
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Nisha_Agarwaland when ran standalone, it can take input from its config file17:59
dtantsurright, so we may want to extend ironic-inspector API to pass it.. or make the Inspector interface handle it17:59
Nisha_Agarwaldtantsur, i didnt get?17:59
* dtantsur needs to think more about it, to be honest17:59
* milan too O:-)17:59
Nisha_Agarwaldtantsur, ok.18:00
Nisha_Agarwalmilan, :)18:00
dtantsurand we're out of time, sorry :( please anyone, let Nisha_Agarwal know what you think in the channel18:00
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dtantsur#endmeeting ironic18:00
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